Jul 21, 2026 City Council

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I HEREBY CALL THE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING TO ORDER. IT IS JULY 21ST, 2026,AT 6PM.

OUR FIRST THING IS I WILL ASK MISS HULL, DO I HAVE A QUORUM? YES, MADAM MAYOR, YOU HAVE A SUPER QUORUM.

OKAY, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT NEITHER MR. MANTON NOR MS. BOGDAN WILL BE JOINING US TONIGHT. HOWEVER, MR. SPURGEON, WHO IS THE ARCHITECT, IS HERE WITH US. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVEN'T MET MR. SPURGEON, SITTING NEXT TO MR. MACHADO. OKAY, AT THIS TIME WE

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COUNCIL MAY CONTINUE WITH THIS DESIGN OR CAN MAKE REVISIONS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT TO DO. SO, MR. BYRD.

I'M JUST GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION, GARY, BECAUSE IT WAS ASKED OF ME. IT WAS THAT ONE PERSON SUGGESTED THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING INDOOR PARKING FOR ALL THOSE VEHICLES, TO HAVE SOME OF THEM JUST BE COVERED OUTSIDE. WHAT'S YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THAT? WE'D LIKE TO HAVE BOTH BECAUSE IN THE WINTERTIME SOME OF THAT STUFF WE NEED TO PUT INSIDE OR IT CAN GET DAMAGED.

OKAY, AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE HERE THERE'S WHAT, ABOUT 8 VEHICLES WORTH OF STORAGE? IS THAT THE WAY THIS IS DESIGNED? WELL, ONE OF THOSE IS FOR A TRUCK AND TRAILER THAT STAYS COUPLED TOGETHER ALL THE TIME FOR LEAKS. OKAY. UH, IN ONE OF THE LONG BAYS. AND THEN WE HAVE THE STORAGE AREAS FOR THE LARGE EQUIPMENT IN THOSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO POINT TO ANY OF THEM HERE.

UM, AND THOSE 3 LONG BAYS THERE ARE FOR, UH, LIKE THE BACKHOE AND THE VAC TRUCK AND SOME OF THE OTHER LARGE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE. AND THE WINTERTIME NEEDS TO BE KEPT INSIDE. AND THEN, UH, LIKE ONE OF THESE SPACES WOULD BE FOR THE TRUCK AND TRAILER, WHICH IS RATHER LONG. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LENGTH OF IT IS, BUT AND THEN THE OTHER SPACE WOULD BE TO HAVE ACCESS TO DRIVE THROUGH AND WORK ON STUFF AS WE NEED TO THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

OKAY, WELL, I'LL JUST BRING IT UP BECAUSE IT WAS ASKED OF ME.

SO, OKAY.

AND I JUST WANT TO ASK A CLARIFICATION QUESTION BECAUSE THIS IS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT OVER THE LAST OVER A YEAR.

THE NUMBERS THAT WE SAW AS COUNCIL THAT I WAS ON, IS THAT THE ONLY TIME WE'VE GONE OUT FOR ACTUAL NUMBERS TO A VENDOR OR TO THE ARCHITECT, TO ANYBODY ELSE? THERE'S BEEN OTHER NUMBERS THROWN OUT, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE REQUESTED FROM THE FROM KENT HELPED US GET THOSE NUMBERS THROUGH, UM, THIRD-PARTY ESTIMATOR. OKAY.

YEAH. AND THEN THE ONES PRIOR TO THAT, THAT SAME PROCESS? THE ONLY ONES THAT I'M AWARE OF, AT LEAST THAT I HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH I WENT TO AN ESTIMATOR ON THE, ON THE FIRST PLAN, WHICH THIS THAT THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, I BELIEVE, IS BASED ON THE 2009 CONCRETE WALL VERSION. AND WE GOT AN A NUMBER BACK ON THAT, AND I THINK WE WERE, WE WERE TOLD YOU'D LIKE TO BRING IT DOWN. OKAY. I SAID, YOU KNOW, TO BRING IT DOWN, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO GO TO A METAL BUILDING, RIGHT, WHICH CAN DEFINITELY STILL WORK FOR YOU BUT ISN'T GOING TO HAVE THE OKAY MAINTENANCE-FREE FEATURES AND SOME OF THAT. SO NOT ONLY DID WE, DID WE REDUCE THE QUALITY, I WOULD SAY, OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING FROM THE TILT-WALL CONCRETE WITH STONE VENEER TO MATCH THE PUMP STATION NEXT DOOR.

BASICALLY WAS KIND OF THE IDEA THERE, WAS GOING TO THE EXTERIOR, THE METAL BUILDING EXTERIOR, AS WELL AS REDUCING THE, UM, QUALITY SLASH LOADING CAPABILITIES OF THAT LARGE MEZZANINE THAT'S UP OVER THE OFFICE SPACE.

OKAY.

YEAH, BEING STEEL AND CONCRETE, IT CAN HANDLE LIKE 250 POUNDS A SQUARE FOOT, AND DROPPING IT TO MORE OF A WOOD, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S LIKE 125 POUNDS A SQUARE FOOT, RIGHT? I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE YEARS PRIOR, THE, UH, BEFORE THAT.

SO, UM, SO NO, NO OTHER TIME PRIOR TO THAT.

THE BUILDING WAS SMALLER AND IT

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I THINK COLLEEN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SOME OF THE OTHER NUMBERS WE'VE SEEN BEFORE WERE NOT DONE THROUGH THE ESTIMATOR. OKAY, SOME OF THOSE WERE JUST PUT TOGETHER BY INDIVIDUALS, OKAY.

AND THEY MAY NOT HAVE INCLUDED EVERYTHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, SUCH AS WELL, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE USING PROFESSIONALS AND WE'RE NOT JUST WRITING NUMBERS DOWN.

YEAH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MR. STURGEON CAN TALK TO US ABOUT ON ACTUAL NUMBERS WHEN WE GET THERE.

MR. PILGRIM, I GUESS THE KEY THING THAT I REALLY WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IS FUNCTIONALLY GARY, WHAT DO YOU WANT THIS BUILDING TO DO? AND I WANT TO, I WANT TO HEAR VERY CANDIDLY FROM YOU YOUR OPINIONS ON IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE OPINION ON THIS YOUR OPINION ON HOW MUCH OF CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THOSE TYPES OF FUNCTIONS AND PLAT REVIEW AND ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE IN THAT BUILDING VERSUS TAKE PLACE IN A NEW ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON, ON WHAT ALL THIS BUILDING IS DESIGNED TO DO. IF IT'S DESIGNED TO BE PRINCIPALLY A BUILDING THAT'S AROUND THE, THE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE ASPECTS OF PUBLIC WORKS, WHETHER IT'S REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF EQUIPMENT OR REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IF IT'S DEALING MOSTLY WITH THAT AND IT NEEDS TO BE MORE OF A SHOP ENVIRONMENT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT STRUCTURE THAN IF IT'S AN ENVIRONMENT THAT NEEDS TO HAVE OFFICES THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR PLAIDS AND MEETINGS WITH DEVELOPERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I WANT TO HEAR WHAT'S YOUR PERFECT SCENARIO FOR DIVIDING UP THOSE FUNCTIONS.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF OPINIONS IN OPEN MEDIA.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT, THOUGH. I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN.

THE OFFICE SPACE WE HAVE THERE WOULD BE USABLE IMMEDIATELY IN THE EVENT WE GET END UP GETTING A NEW BUILDING HERE, WE HAVE TO RELOCATE PEOPLE FOR A LITTLE WHILE TO THAT. SO WHILE THE NEW BUILDING'S BEING BUILT, BECAUSE IF THAT IF THAT BUILDING GETS TORN DOWN AND THIS BUILDING IS NOT OPERATIONAL, THEN THEY COULD MOVE OVER THERE WHILE IT'S BEING BUILT. THAT'S ALSO GOING TO BE SIZED FOR ANY GROWTH THAT WE MIGHT HAVE SO THAT WE COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT 3, 4 OFFICES, AND THEN LIKE AN OPEN CUBICLE LIKE, WELL, NOT CUBICLE, BUT AN OPEN SPACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE GUYS COULD SIT THERE AND DO A CLASS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, AND THEN THE BREAK ROOM, LUNCHROOM AREA, CONFERENCE ROOM, ALL THOSE WOULD BE USED AS THE PUBLIC WORKS FUNCTION, AND THEN THEY COULD BE USED ALSO SO IN THE INTERIM, WHILE THIS IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT ARE THOSE FUNCTIONS LIKE PLAT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE, CODE COMPLIANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, ARE THOSE FUNCTIONS YOU WANT IN THAT BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO ULTIMATELY BE IN WHATEVER NEW ADMINISTRATIVE CITY HALL BUILDING WE BUILD? NO, I THINK, I THINK THOSE FUNCTIONS PROBABLY NEED TO BE IN A NEW CITY HALL. IS WITHIN ANYTHING. OKAY, BUT THIS GIVES US ROOM TO PUT THEM THERE TEMPORARILY WHILE WE MAKE THOSE ARRANGEMENTS. AND IT GIVES US ROOM FOR FUTURE GROWTH. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS BUILD A BUILDING OR GO THROUGH A LOT OF TROUBLE AND BUILD A BUILDING THAT WE'RE GOING TO OUTGROW IN JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS OR A FEW YEARS.

YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT.

OKAY. YES, SIR.

SURE.

WHAT IS CAN YOU DEFINE FUTURE GROWTH? IS THAT ESTIMATING THAT CITY BUILD-OUT? IS THAT A 10-YEAR TIME HORIZON? IS IT BOTH? I WOULD SAY 7 TO 10-YEAR TIME HORIZON FOR SOME BUILD-OUT, WORKING TOWARDS BUILD-OUT.

WITH MORE STAFF.

OKAY.

AND JUST FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, ONLY THE I DON'T KNOW, LET'S GO WITH THE NORTHWESTERN THIRD THERE OR MAYBE 3/8. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THE FRACTION IS. IS THAT THE ONLY PART THAT'S CLIMATE CONTROLLED? THE OTHER SPACE IS OPEN AND NON-CLIMATE CONTROLLED OR ARE THE GARAGE SPACES ALSO CLIMATE CONTROLLED? NO, THOSE AREN'T GOING TO BE CLIMATE CONTROLLED. THE GARAGE SPACE IS NOT. OKAY.

AND SO THE CURRENT DESIGN, UH, THIS, UH, OR AT LEAST AS PRESENTED, IS REMOVES THE, THE ROCK OR STONE FACING AND REPLACES THAT WITH STEEL SIDING.

IS THAT RIGHT? I'M NOT SURE WHERE COUNCIL WANTS TO BE ON THAT. WE HAD IT PRESENTED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS. WE COULD DO THE TILT WALL WITH THE STONE FACING, OR WE COULD DO THE METAL BUILDING WITH SOME STONE FACING UP, YOU KNOW, A FEW BE DONE OR IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS THAT THOSE CAN BE DONE.

AND I'M SORRY, I'VE ALREADY FORGOTTEN YOUR NAME.

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KENT. KENT.

YOU MENTIONED THAT IT WAS, I GUESS, DURABILITY OR OTHERWISE INFERIOR TO GO WITH THE STEEL SIDING. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. AND I CAN EXPLAIN IT.

PLEASE DO.

PLEASE. AS YOU WISH. SO ON THE THERE'S THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS THAT GIVE YOU AN ADVANTAGE OF GOING WITH TILT WALL. NUMBER ONE, IT'S EVEN IF YOU DON'T DO THE STONE VENEER, IT'S A VERY ABUSE-RESISTANT EXTERIOR BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOING TO BE LIKE 9-INCH THICK CONCRETE WALLS. THEY WILL BE BASICALLY THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING. THERE WON'T BE STEEL COLUMNS AROUND EXCEPT KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE.

THEY'LL TAKE SOME OF THAT ROOF LOAD. BECAUSE OTHERWISE IF YOU'VE GOT THIS 100-FOOT SPAN, THE WEIGHT OF THE ROOF TRYING TO PUSH DOWN, IT'S TRYING TO PUSH THE WALLS OUT. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF INTERIOR COLUMNS IN EACH COLUMN LINE TO HELP TAKE SOME OF THAT LOAD. AND THAT'S IN THE METAL BUILDING OR THE CONCRETE TILT WALL BUILDING. IF YOU GO WITH THE METAL BUILDING, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE THE ABUSE ON THE EXTERIOR. IT'S A LITTLE HARDER TO COME BACK AND ADD THE STONE TO TO, IN THAT A METAL BUILDING IS DESIGNED TO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF FLEX TO IT. THAT'S PART OF WHAT KEEPS THE COST DOWN.

IF YOU SAY, WELL, WE MIGHT WANT TO COME BACK AND ADD THAT AT SOME POINT, THEN YOU BASICALLY GOT TO STIFFEN THAT STRUCTURE UP SO THAT YOU TAKE A LOT OF THAT FLEX OUT OF IT, BECAUSE ALL THE STONE IS GOING TO CRACK AND FALL OFF BECAUSE IT CAN'T TAKE THAT FLEXIBILITY IN THE BUILDING. SO YOU LOSE SOME OF THE, UM, ECONOMIES OF THE METAL BUILDING IF YOU STIFFEN IT UP ENOUGH TO DO IT, TO DO SOME SORT OF VENEER. DO YOU SEE IT DONE A LOT? YES, YOU DO, UM, AND IT CAN CERTAINLY BE DONE, BUT IT JUST DRIVES THE COST OF THAT METAL BUILDING UP A LITTLE BIT. SO YOU'RE NOT WASTING THAT STUMPS ALL CRACKING AND FALLING OFF SORT OF THING. INSIDE, FOR THE SAKE OF GETTING AS MUCH PRICE DIFFERENCE AS WE COULD, THE INSIDE WOULD JUST BE THE EXPOSED METAL PURLINS, THAT ARE HORIZONTAL MEMBERS THAT THE METAL SIDING IS SCREWED TO, AND BEFORE THEY PUT THE METAL SIDING ON IT, THEY PUT VINYL-BACKED INSULATION ON THERE SO YOU HAVE SOME INSULATION. THAT INSULATION WOULD BE EXPOSED ON THE INSIDE, WHICH IS REALLY NON-DIFFUSION RESISTANT AS OPPOSED TO THE INSIDE FACE OF THE CONCRETE WALL. WHETHER IT'S HANGING TOOLS ON IT AND AROUND THE PERIMETER, A LOT OF PLACES IS WE HAVE BIG, LIKE, 4X8 RACK SHELVING, HIGH RACK SHELVING, LIKE YOU'D SEE IN A LOWE'S OR HOME DEPOT KIND OF THING FOR TOOLS AND PARTS AND PIECES AND STORAGE AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING. AND IT'S TYPICALLY A COMFORTING FACTOR IF YOU CAN, LIKE, ATTACH THOSE TO THE WALL TO MAKE SURE ONE OF THOSE THAT, YOU KNOW, 4 STACKS HIGH DON'T FALL ON SOMEBODY, WHICH YOU BASICALLY CAN'T DO IF YOU'VE GOT JUST THE EXTERIOR METAL SIDING. SO YOU'VE GOT A MORE ABUSE-RESISTANT FINISH INSIDE AS WELL AS SOMETHING YOU CAN ANCHOR THINGS TO AND HANG THINGS ON AND TAKE THE ABUSE INSIDE AND OUT. THE OTHER THING THAT WE ALONG WITH THAT, BECAUSE THE TILT WALL IS REPLACING A LOT OF THE STEEL STRUCTURE, THEN IT TAKES IT TAKES IT CARRIES SOME OF THE LOAD ON THE LEFT WALL AND THE UPPER WALL BECAUSE THAT MEZZANINE CAN, CAN BE HUNG FROM THAT, THOSE CONCRETE PANELS. WHEREAS IN THE METAL BUILDING, WE HAVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL STEEL IN THERE TO CARRY THAT MEZZANINE. AND EVEN AT THAT, WE'RE WE WERE DROPPING THE CAPACITY OF THE MEZZANINE.

LIKE I SAID A WHILE AGO, IT WAS GOING TO BE WOOD STRUCTURE AND BE 125 POUNDS A SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IS TINY, BUT WITH THE CONCRETE AND METAL DECK HELD UP THERE BY ALL STEEL STRUCTURE, WE CAN GO UP TO LIKE 250 POUNDS A SQUARE FOOT. AND THAT'S GREAT FOR BOXES STACKED AS HIGH AS YOU CAN REACH THEM TO THEM PUTTING BIG MECHANICAL PIECES UP THERE OR WHATEVER. AND THERE'S ANOTHER DRAWING THAT THAT WE MAKE IT TO THAT SHOWS THAT WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF HEADROOM UP THERE TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THAT MEZZANINE SPACE.

HOPEFULLY YOU ALL DON'T MIND IF I KEEP GOING ON THIS A LITTLE BIT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT, AND I, YOU KNOW, MY EXPERIENCE WITH STEEL-CLAD BUILDINGS IS REALLY LIMITED TO THE TIME I HELPED MY DAD PUT UP A POLE BARN IN AUGUST BECAUSE HE'S A SCHOOLTEACHER AND THAT'S WHEN YOU GET THINGS DONE OUTSIDE. NOW, I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT IS A, LIKE A LESS, YOU KNOW, LIKE A LOWER NUMBER OF YEARS EXPECTATION ON THE LIFESPAN OF THE BUILDING THAN THE CONCRETE BUILDING.

WOULD THAT BE A CORRECT ASSUMPTION? I THINK YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THE METAL BUILDINGS LAST AS LONG, BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT VERY ABUSE-RESISTANT, THEY MIGHT BE SHOWING THEIR AGE A LOT SOONER THAN THE CONCRETE TILT WALL,

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AND ONE MORE ON THE SIDING, AND I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. THE OTHER THING THAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, I WOULD ASSUME THAT YOUR AIR CONDITIONING AND HEATING BILLS WOULD BE LOWER IN THE CONCRETE SIDING THAN THEY WOULD BE IN THE STEEL SIDING. WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? I THINK IT WOULD TEND TO BE JUST BECAUSE THE CONCRETE WALLS WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BETTER INSULATING VALUE THAN THE FAIRLY THIN INSULATION THAT THEY HAVE IN VINYL BACK AND THEY DRAPE IT OVER TO THE WALL PURLINS OR THE WALL SKIRTS BEFORE THEY SCREW THE METAL SIDING TO IT. AND LET ME JUST ADD TO THAT CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT, SORT OF GOING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION AS WELL, AS THE, THE OFFICE AREA WOULD BE FULLY AIR-CONDITIONED JUST LIKE WE GOT HERE, SPLIT SYSTEMS AND THAT KIND OF THING. UM, ANYTHING NOT INSIDE THE OFFICES, SO THE DRIVE-THROUGH BAYS, THE, THE SOUTH BAYS WHERE VEHICLES WILL CAN BE PARKED DURING THE WINTER. THEY'LL HAVE INFRARED HEAT, MUCH LIKE THE FIRE STATIONS TYPICALLY DO.

YOU DON'T WANT TO DO GAS UNIT HEATERS BECAUSE YOU GET THE AIR ALL WARM AND IT FEELS ALL COZY, AND THEN SOMEBODY RAISES THAT OVERHEAD DOOR IN THE WINTER AND THAT HEAT'S ALL GONE IN 5 MINUTES AND YOU'RE COOL YOU'RE COLD AGAIN AND TRYING TO REHEAT IT. SO YOU USE THE INFRARED AND IT KEEPS ANYTHING STEEL IN THERE, IF THERE ARE WATER TANKS ON THE TRUCK OR WHATEVER, KEEPS ALL THAT FROM FREEZING.

YOUR BODY FEELS WARM FROM IT.

IT FEELS WARM, BUT YOU DON'T LOSE THE EFFECT OF THAT WHEN SOMEBODY NEEDS TO RAISE THE OVERHEAD DOOR OR WHATEVER. THERE'LL ALSO BE VENTILATION BY WAY OF SOME FEW LARGE FANS, PROBABLY 3 OR 4 LARGE FANS, AS WELL AS FANS IN THE END WALLS INTERLOCKED WITH LOUVERS IN THE OTHER SIDE, SO WE CAN TURN THOSE ON AND AND PULL SOME AIR THROUGH THE BUILDING.

SOMETIMES IT'S THERE'S A NICE BREEZE. A LOT OF TIMES, LIKE NOW, THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A BREEZE AND YOU'VE GOT TO MECHANICALLY MOVE THE AIR THROUGH IT. YOU CAN RAISE THOSE DOORS A LITTLE BIT AND BRING IN MORE AIR OR WHATEVER.

BUT SO THE, THE BASE SPACE, AND SINCE THE MEZZANINE AREA IS BASICALLY PART OF THE BASE SPACE, IT'LL BE VENTILATED, COOLED, AND INFRARED HEATED. ANYTHING IN THE OFFICE SPACE WOULD BE FULLY AIR-CONDITIONED AND HEATED AS NORMAL OFFICE SPACE WOULD.

YEAH, I WAS ASSUMING YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME FORM OF HEAT IN THE BAYS OUT THERE. NO AIR CONDITIONING FOR SUMMERTIME, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOME HEAT IN THERE.

RIGHT. YEAH, WE JUST MOVE SOME AIR. YOU'RE IN THE SHADE IN THE BUILDING, AND IF YOU'VE JUST GOT SOME AIR MOVING, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BEST MECHANICS ARE EVER GET ANYWAY.

THEY'D BE, IT'D BE TOTALLY SPOILED BY ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT.

SO, AND YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT ANYWAY, BASICALLY. SO BASICALLY, MOVING AIR AND GIVING THEM INFRARED HEAT, IT'S WE'RE CONDITIONED IN THE SHOP. I'D HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING THE GUYS TO LEAVE.

YEAH.

UM, I JUST WANT TO ASK, IT'LL BE BETTER THAN THE, UH, DURING THE SUMMER WILL BE BETTER THAN THAT SITUATION AT THE OLD PUMP STATION BECAUSE WE WENT IN THERE, YOU KNOW, A WEEK AGO AND IT WAS MISERABLE THEN. I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE NOW.

THIS WOULD BE BETTER THAN THAT.

YES, THIS WOULD, WITH FAN VENTILATION THROUGH IT AND OPENING THE DOORS AND LET THE NORTH-SOUTH, SOUTH-NORTH WIND BLOW THROUGH.

YEAH. YES.

OKAY, BECAUSE THAT SITUATION OVER THERE WOULD BE UNBEARABLE FOR ANYBODY TO WORK. AND THIS IS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T TAKEN THE TOUR YET. THIS THING ABOUT STORAGE AND HAVING IT AND THE SAFETY OF IT, I NOW FULLY RESPECT AFTER SEEING THE LAYOUT WE HAVE AT SOME PLACES THAT WE DEFINITELY, FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR EMPLOYEES, NEED TO DO BETTER. SO THAT'S AN ADDED BENEFIT. I'M GOING TO MENTION SOMETHING ELSE GARY AND I TALKED ABOUT IN IN ANOTHER CONVERSATION.

ANOTHER BENEFIT I THINK THIS BUILDING WILL HAVE IS IT BEING MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED RIGHT NOW. AND WHEN THEY NEED TO GO GET PARTS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE BEYOND THE EDGE OF TOWN AND COME BACK, WHICH AT TIMES CAN EAT UP A LOT OF TIME, ESPECIALLY DURING RUSH HOUR.

DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? YEAH, YEAH, I GOT SEVERAL MORE THINGS I WANT TO ASK ABOUT OUT, BUT I WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY ELSE PLENTY OF TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS TOO. I DON'T SEE ANY SPACE ON THERE FOR PARTS STORAGE.

ALONG THOSE WALLS, THE ON THAT, I GUESS THAT'D BE THE EAST WALL, THOSE COULD BE RACKS OF STORAGE.

OKAY.

FOR METERS AND PARTS. AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME COVERED STORAGE OUTSIDE.

TO PUT PIPE AND STUFF LIKE THAT OUTSIDE? YEAH.

IT DOESN'T NEED TO NECESSARILY BE INSIDE THE BUILDING, BUT IT DOES NEED TO BE PROTECTED FROM THE SUN.

YEAH, I CAN SEE PIPES AND THOSE THINGS, KIND OF THINGS BEING OUTSIDE. I WAS THINKING YOU WOULD NEED MORE PROTECTED STORAGE INSIDE

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WE ARE ALSO GOING TO HAVE A NEW WATER TOWER THAT WILL HAVE SPACE IN THE PEDESTAL OF IT FOR, FOR SOME PARTS STORAGE ALSO.

AND THIS WATER TOWER OVER IN PARKER RANCH WOULD BE MORE CENTRAL OR, I'M SORRY, THAT WAY WOULD BE MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED. SO WE COULD HAVE PARTS HERE AND THE REMAINDER OF PARTS OVER THERE.

SO YOU THINK THIS ADEQUATELY PROVIDES FOR WHAT YOU NEED FOR STORAGE FOR MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS ON THE EQUIPMENT YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THERE.

YES.

DO WE HAVE THE PICTURE OF THE, THE MEZZANINE IN THE SECOND STORY? JUST BRIEFLY GO TO THE NEXT PLAN WHICH SHOWS THE MEZZANINE.

SO ALL OF THAT AREA IN THE TOP LEFT, THAT'S THE MEZZANINE. AND WE HAVE A RATHER THAN HAVING LIKE SOMEBODY TRYING TO DEAL WITH A SHIFT LADDER KIND OF THING WHEN THEY'RE TRYING STUFF UP AND DOWN. THAT DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL, SO WE HAVE A FULL-SIZE STAIRWAY IN THAT BOTTOM LEFT CORNER.

AND AT THE BOTTOM ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE MEZZANINE, AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER, I THINK IT SHOWS UP, BUT PROBABLY NOTHING YOU CAN SEE FROM THERE. OF COURSE, THERE'S A GUARDRAIL ALL THE WAY AROUND THOSE TWO OPEN SIDES, BUT IN THAT BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THERE WOULD BE LARGE GATES THAT ARE PART OF THAT MEZZANINE SO IF YOU'VE GOT A PALLET OF SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO PUT UP THERE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GO WITH THE HEAVIER WEIGHT ONE, YOU CAN STACK, YOU KNOW, 30 BOXES ON A PALLET, PUT IT ON A FORKLIFT AND LIFT IT UP THERE, SWING THOSE GATES OPEN, SET IT ON THE FLOOR, AND THEN UP THERE YOU CAN HAVE A PALLET JACK THAT MOVES IT AROUND, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT THING. SO WE'VE GOT WAYS TO GET THE HEAVY STUFF UP THERE, OR A STAIRWAY IF IT'S SOMETHING SMALL ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO CARRY. THAT KIND OF THING.

DO YOU ANTICIPATE A WINCH ON A TROLLEY IN HERE? I DON'T THINK WE NEED ONE IN THERE. WE'VE GOT A TRACTOR AND A SKID STEER. WE CAN LIFT STUFF UP TO THE MEZZANINE LEVEL.

OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE, AND I'M NOT SURE IF KENT, YOU CAN ANSWER THIS OR IF CATHERINE WILL NEED TO WEIGH IN. UM, A NURSE NURSING ROOM, IS THAT IF THAT THIS IS SEPARATE THAN THIS BUILDING, DO WE NEED THAT IN THAT SPACE AS WELL? OKAY, OKAY.

I CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL. UM, THINKING THAT GOES BACK TO MAYBE HOW MANY EMPLOYEES.

THERE ARE MAY NOT BE REQUIRED ON SOMETHING WITH ONLY 4 OR 5 EMPLOYEES. UM, AND KIND OF THE NATURE OF THE BEAST, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YOU HAVE NOW, GARY, BUT THE 2 OR 3 DESKS WE HAVE UP FRONT THAT ARE MORE RECEPTIONIST IN NATURE KIND OF THING OR WHATEVER, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE WHERE FEMALES WILL BE WORKING. MOST OF THOSE OFFICES, I WOULD JUST GUESS, ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE MALE, BUT THIS DAY AND TIME, WHO KNOWS. SO I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A POLITICAL FLAT STATEMENT. I'M NOT GOING TO BE WOMEN WORKING HERE BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION. BUT, UM, I BELIEVE FOR THE LACTATION ROOM THAT PROBABLY REQUIRES A CERTAIN NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, BUT I CAN LOOK INTO THAT.

MR. SHARP, WHAT'S THE EXPECTED USE OF THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM AND HOW OFTEN DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE IN USE? MULTIPURPOSE ROOM IS GOING TO BE BREAK ROOM THAT THE GUYS WILL USE EVERY DAY.

AND THEN CONVERTED SPONTANEOUSLY TO CLASSROOM USE OR AS NEEDED? OKAY. WELL, WE'VE IN OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES I'VE DONE IN THE COLONY AND LOUISVILLE AND OTHER PLACES IS THAT'S KIND OF THE STARTING POINT FOR ALL THE GUYS IN THE MORNING. TYPICALLY THESE GUYS ARE GETTING THERE FAIRLY EARLY AND THEY MAY BE BRINGING BREAKFAST WITH THEM OR THEY JUST MAY GET THERE EARLY AND BRING SOMETHING TO TO POP IN THE MICROWAVE OR WHATEVER.

BUT THEY KIND OF START THEIR DAY THERE. IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHICH DEPARTMENT THEY'RE WITH, THEY KIND OF GET THEIR ORDERS FOR THE DAY, SEE WHICH PROJECT THEY'RE HEADING TO FIRST, AND THEN GO GRAB THEIR TOOLS AND GET THE RIGHT VEHICLE AND HEAD OUT. SOME OF THEM, DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT THEY'RE WORKING ON, THEY MAY COME BACK AND GRAB A BAG LUNCH THERE OR WHATEVER.

BUT SO IT'S PROBABLY BUSY WITH THE GUYS' MORNING LUNCH AND AFTERNOON ON THE WAY IN.

BUT THEN IT'S AVAILABLE, OF COURSE, ANYTIME FOR TRAINING SESSIONS OR MEETINGS OR WHATEVER. BUT, YEAH, IT'S TYPICALLY USED BY PRETTY MUCH ALL THE STAFF ON A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS.

I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS.

THERE'S A GENERATOR OUT THERE. IS THAT GENERATOR FOR THE PUMP STATION? YES.

WOULD THAT GENERATOR BE ABLE TO RUN THIS BUILDING IF WE LOST POWER?

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AND I BELIEVE WE'D HAVE TO GET WITH ANDREW MOTT OR WITH BURKOFF'S OFFICE TO FIND OUT.

OKAY.

I BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO EITHER MODIFY THAT GENERATOR OR GET ANOTHER ONE TO PUT IN.

OKAY. SECOND QUESTION: HAVING LIVED THROUGH SNOWMAGEDDON HERE AND LEARNING SOME VERY VALUABLE LESSONS, COULD THERE BE FUEL STORAGE AT THIS LOCATION DIESEL AND PROPANE IN PARTICULAR? YES.

BECAUSE I FEEL VERY STRONGLY AFTER THE SNOWMAGEDDON THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN THINGS, A GENERATOR TO RUN OUR BUILDINGS AND THE FUEL TO BE ABLE TO RUN OUR EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THAT BECAME ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. YOU KNOW IT, YOU COULDN'T GET DIESEL. WE HAD TO BORROW IT FROM FORMER BROWN WHO WAS KIND ENOUGH TO LOAN IT TO US DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

CAN YOU GO TO THE SITE PLANS, PROBABLY 2 OR 3 DRAWINGS? CATHERINE'S GOT AN ISSUE.

YEAH, MAYOR.

YEAH, OKAY, THERE WOULD BE ROOM.

YEAH, TO THE THE I COLOR-CODED THIS KIND OF FOR THE ESTIMATOR SO YOU DO QUICK LOOK. THE RED STUFF'S WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, BASICALLY THE NON-SHADED CONCRETE IS WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. SO THE MEDIUM GRAY IS THE NEW CONCRETE THAT'S TRUCK-RATED. THE DARKER GRAY IS THE NEW CONCRETE THAT'S JUST EVERYDAY VEHICLE-RATED. THE ALMOST BLACK STUFF IS REGULAR SIDEWALKS, AND THEN THE ORANGE IS THE NEW FACILITY. UM, KIND OF AT THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER OF THE LIGHT GRAY STUFF UP THERE AT THE TOP OF THE RED, THAT'S WHERE THE EMERGENCY GENERATOR IS NOW FOR THE PUMP STATION. IS THAT IS THAT RUNNING ON DIESEL OR IS IT RUNNING ON NATURAL GAS? THAT'S DIESEL.

OKAY, SO THERE'S PROBABLY A TANK RIGHT BESIDE THAT. IT'S ON ONE OF THE OTHER THE PASSIVE POSTAL, THE TANK, RIGHT? OKAY, AND THAT'S PROBABLY SIZED FOR THAT GENERATOR, BUT SINCE WE'VE ALREADY GOT THAT EQUIPMENT UP THERE, IT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE SENSE.

AND IT'S GOING TO NEED TO STAY OUT OF THE WAY OF JUST THE DISRUPT CIRCULATION THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE FACILITY AND THEIR PARKING UP THERE. BUT PROBABLY UP THERE IN THAT SAME VICINITY, WE COULD PROBABLY ADD ADDITIONAL FUEL AND EMERGENCY GENERATOR FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING AS WELL.

MAYOR, CAN I ANSWER THE QUESTION? SURE.

FROM EARLIER, I DON'T THINK THE PUMP ACT REQUIRES THAT. I, I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THE BUILDING CODES. I HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, OR I DEFER TO KENT AND GARY AS TO WHETHER THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOMETHING.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

SO WE HAVE TWO NUMBERS RIGHT NOW, ONE WITH THE CONCRETE WALL AND ONE WITH THE METAL WALL, RIGHT? CAN SOMEBODY PULL UP THOSE NUMBERS? SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.

OKAY.

WELL, DARRYL, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DID FOR KEN.

YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU BUILT ANOTHER ONE OF THESE IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION OF HOW MANY AND WHICH COMMUNITIES AND LIKE COULD YOU KIND OF DO YOU HAVE DATA FROM THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO SHARE? DID YOU GET HIS RESUME? IT'S IN YOUR PACKET.

THAT BASICALLY NAMES THE PROJECT. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS MUCH DATA ON IT, AND BECAUSE SEVERAL OF THOSE WERE YEARS AGO, I'VE SLEPT SINCE THEN, PROBABLY CAN'T TELL YOU A WHOLE LOT OF DATA ABOUT IT. I DID A FLEET MAINTENANCE WELL, ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF PROJECTS FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY.

THAT'S A FLEET MAINTENANCE FACILITY, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS, BUT IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR FLEET MAINTENANCE. BUT THEN WE ALSO DID WHAT WE CALL THE WATER DEPARTMENT BUILDING, WHICH WAS FOR BASICALLY ALL THE OTHER PUBLIC WORKS STUFF THAT THE FLEET MAINTENANCE DIDN'T DO. THAT FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING WAS STEEL WALL CONCRETE, STEEL ROOF, OFFICES IN THE CORNER, AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO VERY SIMILAR, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC SPECIFICALLY FOR FLEET. I DID ANOTHER FLEET FACILITY FOR THE COLONY THAT WAS STEEL WALL CONSTRUCTION, METAL BUILDING TYPE ROOF, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.

IT HAD A LARGE MEZZANINE, UM, FOR ADDITIONAL STORAGE. IT HAD PARTS STORAGE UNDERNEATH THAT WITH AN OFFICE AREA. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, WITH YOUR CONCERN FOR ENOUGH PARTS STORAGE, IN

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UM, AND THIS MAY HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS, BUT BACK THEN THERE WERE WHEN THERE WASN'T A PARTS PLACE ON, YOU KNOW, 3 ON EVERY CORNER LIKE THERE ARE NOW. AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, BACK THEN WE WERE ORDERING PARTS AND STOCKING THEM OURSELVES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THEM AVAILABLE WHEN WE NEEDED THEM. AND THIS DAY AND TIME, THEY'RE LIKE, WE CAN CALL AND GET ANYTHING WE NEED IN 15 MINUTES DELIVERED TO US, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY AND THE SPACE TO BASICALLY INVENTORY A WHOLE LOT OF PARTS. AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT GOING TO APPLY TO METERS AND, YOU KNOW, WATER A LOT OF THAT KIND OF THING, OR CAR PARTS. UM, AND THAT PROBABLY STILL DOESN'T APPLY TO SOME OF YOUR BIGGER TRUCKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT'S SOMETHING GARY WOULD HAVE TO ANSWER AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU NEED TO STOCK BECAUSE OF NOT BEING READILY AVAILABLE VERSUS THE PICKUPS THAT THEY USE AND ALL THAT. YOU CAN PROBABLY GET ANY OF THOSE IN 10 MINUTES. I ALSO DID ONE AND FOR THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE, THAT WAS LARGER.

THAT SAME BREAK ROOM, IT KIND OF CAME THIS ONE KIND OF CAME FROM THAT CONCEPT, BUT IT HANDLED ABOUT 90 GUYS IN THE MORNING BEFORE THEY ALL WENT OUT BECAUSE IT WAS MUCH LARGER.

THAT WAS ALL A TILT-WALL BUILDING. THEY NEEDED A LOT OF WORK BAYS. SO WHAT WE DID THERE WAS ACTUALLY PUT UP A TILT-WALL FRONT TO DRESS IT UP FROM TWO STREETS SIDES, BUT THEN BASICALLY DID A METAL BUILDING LEAN-TO BEHIND IT FOR A LOT OF THE SHOP SPACE.

SO IT'S KIND OF A COMBO OF THIS IDEA, BUT THE MAIN BUILDING WAS VERY MUCH THAT IDEA.

SO I LIKE THAT. I MEAN, AND I THINK WHAT MAYOR PETTLE WAS THINKING OF IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR EXPERIENCE? IT WAS MORE LIKE, WHAT ARE SOME READY I DON'T KNOW, COMPARISONS ARE NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT JUST, I THINK, FOR THE COUNCIL WHO ARE NOT ARCHITECTS AND WE'RE NOT PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING EXPERTS, AND SO I THINK IN SOME WAYS WE DON'T NECESSARILY UNDERSTAND WHAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WILDLY TAKES YOUR COSTS UP OR FOR THAT MATTER DOWN. AND SO JUST HAVING MAYBE A SERIES OF MAYBE 5 REFERENCE BUILDINGS OF DIFFERENT COSTS JUST TO HELP US GROUND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND, YOU KNOW, NORMAL, NOT NORMAL, HIGH, NOT HIGH, I THINK WOULD BE INSTRUCTIONAL FOR US. IS THAT POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE? I CAN SEE IF I CAN FIND SOME SOME OF THAT INFORMATION.

LIKE I SAY, MOST ALL OF THOSE HAVE PROBABLY BEEN AT LEAST 6 OR 8 YEARS AGO, SO THOSE DOLLARS WOULD HAVE TO BE YEAH, MULTIPLIED BY A LOT, EXPONENTIALLY, PROBABLY, TO GET TO TODAY'S COST.

BUT I CAN SEE WHAT THEY WERE THEN, AND WE CAN AT LEAST COMPARE THAT TO TODAY.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, NOW YOUR QUESTION ABOUT NUMBERS.

OKAY, WELL, GRANT OR GARY PULLED THEM UP THERE. SO WE'RE LOOKING LIKE SO WITH THE METAL BUILDING, IT WAS RIGHT AT 4, AND IF WE DO THE CONCRETE ONE, IT'S AT 4.8.

SO UP FROM 4.3.

WHERE'S THE 4.3 NUMBER? ACTUALLY, IT'S ON THE NEXT PAGE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS 4.3.

YEAH, IT WAS 4.3.

SO THEN WHAT'S THAT? 4 NUMBER? UPDATED ESTIMATE TOTAL COST CONSTRUCTION.

COULD WE GET ONE OF Y'ALL TO RUN THROUGH THE NUMBERS FOR US SO WE'RE NOT GUESSING WHAT THEY ARE? BECAUSE I DO WANT TO KNOW.

I CAN DO THAT. DO Y'ALL MIND IF I GIVE YOU A HANDOUT? BECAUSE I WORKED ON THIS ALL DAY TODAY. NOW, I TOOK THE NUMBERS FROM THE PROFESSIONAL ESTIMATOR, UM, AND I DIDN'T TRY TO UP THEM TO TODAY'S COST. THOUGH WE ARE A YEAR LATER. BUT, UM, I'LL EXPLAIN THIS. I'M HANDING THIS OUT SO I DON'T BURN TIME, UM, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE ALL GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME HERE READY FOR THE PUBLIC SESSION SHORTLY.

UM, I HOPE I BROUGHT ENOUGH.

I THINK I BROUGHT 12, SO MAYBE I'VE GOT ENOUGH.

THE, UM, AGAIN, WE STARTED WITH THE PROFESSIONAL ESTIMATOR ON THE THE CONCRETE VERSION.

AND SO HE PRICED EVERYTHING THERE. AND AS I GOT THOSE BACK, I WENT AHEAD AND FOR A SECOND TIME AND THAT KIND OF THING, KIND OF WENT AHEAD AND IMMEDIATELY SENT THOSE TO GARY. AND WE WERE LOOKING OVER THEM BASICALLY SIMULTANEOUSLY.

AND, UM, I THINK HE MAY HAVE GONE AHEAD AND PRESENTED AT LEAST THE BOTTOM LINE NUMBER TO THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME, WHICH I GUESS IS PROBABLY YOU GOT. UM, AND WE THOUGHT THAT NUMBER WAS HIGH. WE PROBABLY NEEDED TO BRING IT DOWN SOME.

AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE METAL BUILDING DEAL.

BUT IF I HAD TIME TO LOOK

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BUT ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IN WHAT HE DID IN THE HE DID IN BOTH OF THEM, BUT HE, HE DID WHAT I ASKED HIM TO DO IN THE SECOND ONE WAS IN THE FIRST ONE WHEN THEY'RE DOING WHAT'S CALLED A SCHEMATIC DESIGN ESTIMATE FROM REALLY NOT MUCH MORE THAN THE DRAWINGS YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT, WHICH WHICH IS WAY FAR FROM A FULL SET OF DRAWINGS BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION, THEN HE WANTS TO COVER HIMSELF AND MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, AN ESTIMATOR DOESN'T WANT TO BE A LOW GUY. SO HE'S GOING TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE TO COVER THE UNKNOWNS. WELL, ON THAT CONCRETE VERSION OF THE BUILDING, HE PUT A DESIGN CONTINGENCY, HE CALLS IT, TO COVER UNKNOWNS. WE CHANGE OUR MIND, WE DO MORE THAN WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO DO, HE PUT A CONTINGENCY IN THERE OF ALMOST 18%. THAT JACKS EVERYTHING WAY UP THERE, AND THAT'S BUT THAT'S WHAT ALL OF THAT FIRST ESTIMATE WAS BASED ON.

SO WHEN I SAID, YOU KNOW, I'M GIVING YOU ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE THAT I DON'T THINK WE NEED AN 18% CONTINGENCY, SO IN THE SECOND ESTIMATE, WHICH IS THE ONE YOU'RE LOOKING AT UP THERE ON THE SCREEN, UM, I THINK HE BROUGHT IT DOWN TO UNDER AN 8% ESTIMATE. SO THE KIND OF COVERING THE UNKNOWNS DIDN'T JACK THAT NUMBER UP NEARLY AS HIGH. AND SO IN COMPARING BOTH OF THESE BUILDINGS, GIVE YOU JUST THE HIGHLIGHTS BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN WE CAN TAKE TIME TO GO THROUGH TONIGHT, BUT WHAT THE, THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE HERE IS THAT THOSE TOP TWO NUMBERS, THE OF PROCUREMENT OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND GENERAL REQUIREMENTS, THAT'S THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS IS BASICALLY THE, THE SUPERINTENDENT ON SITE, A TRAILER FOR HIM, GETTING TRASH HAULED OFF, RENTAL OF EQUIPMENT TO GET THINGS DONE, RENTAL OF FENCING, WHATEVER THEY NEED, ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THAT, THAT THE CONTRACTOR HAS TO DO TO GET THE BUILDING BUILT.

THAT'S EXACTLY THE SAME NO MATTER WHICH BUILDING WE DO.

AND AS YOU GET AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT'S OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

SO THAT'S NO SMALL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE RIGHT THERE. BUT THEY'RE THE SAME NO MATTER WHICH BUILDING YOU BUILD, AND THAT WAS PER HIS ESTIMATES AS WELL. WE COME DOWN TO THE SITE WORK, AND WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE SITE WORK IN DEPENDING ON WHICH BUILDING WE PUT THERE.

SO AGAIN, ACROSS THE BOARD, THOSE ARE ALL THE SAME NUMBERS, AND WE'VE GOT ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OF THE SITE WORK. SO WE'RE AT $1 MILLION AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING YET. SO THE NEXT BATCH OF NUMBERS IS EVERYTHING THAT'S COMMON BETWEEN THE METAL BUILDING AND THE CONCRETE BUILDING. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT'S A LENGTHY LIST OF STUFF. NO MATTER WHICH BUILDING WE GO WITH, ALL THAT'S THE SAME IS INVOLVED AND IS THE SAME. TIME AND PRICE. SO WHEN YOU GET TO THE PEACH-COLORED STUFF ON THE TOP OF THE NEXT PAGE, THOSE AREAS THAT ARE DIFFERENT, THAT'S BASICALLY DEALING AGAIN WITH THE, THE SHELL OF THE BUILDING AND THE MEZZANINE.

UM, SO THE, THE DIRT WORK UNDER, YOU KNOW, CREATING THE BUILDING PAD TO BE BELOW THE BUILDING AND SUPPORT IT WITHOUT THE THING SHIFTING AND THAT SORT OF THING. THAT'S ALL THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT. THE PIERS THAT THE BUILDING ARE ACTUALLY SITTING ON TO GO DOWN AND SIT ON SOLID ROCK, THOSE ARE THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT. UM, SO THIS LIST OF 10 OR 12 ITEMS HERE IS ALL THAT'S DIFFERENT.

UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE REALLY NOT THAT FAR APART BETWEEN THE, THE METAL BUILDING AND THE T-WALL BUILDING. WE'RE FROM $850,000 TO $629,000 AS

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MS. ALBERT? UH, YEAH, SO I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO ONE IS, WHAT IS SPECIAL STRUCTURES THAT IS UNDER METAL BUILDING? THE SPECIAL STRUCTURES IN THAT CASE IS ACTUALLY THE METAL BUILDING KIT. THAT'S WHY THAT ONLY SHOWS UP ON THE RIGHT SIDE, NOT ON THE LEFT SIDE.

AND THEN WHERE WOULD WE FIND THE MEZZANINE COST? SINCE EVERYTHING ELSE SEVERAL OF THEM. OKAY, IT'S, UH, SOME OF IT IS IN CONCRETE REINFORCING BECAUSE IF YOU GOT THE CONCRETE DECK FOR THE, THE STRONGER ONE, IT'S GOT REINFORCING IN IT.

OKAY, YOU'VE GOT MORE CONCRETE OR YOU'VE GOT THAT 3.5-INCH CONCRETE SLAB UP THERE, SO THERE'S MORE IN THE CONCRETE NUMBER. UM, THE STRUCTURAL METAL FRAMING.

THERE'S, THERE'S STRUCTURAL METAL FRAMING, AND THAT'S FOR THE BUILDING AS WELL AS THE MEZZANINE. BUT THERE'S, THERE'S MORE IN THE METAL BUILDING BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURE TO HOLD UP THE METAL SKIN AS WELL AS TO HOLD UP THE WOOD DECK.

YOU'VE GOT THE METAL DECKING FOR THE HEAVIER, RIGHT, MEZZANINE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE IN THE WOOD ONE. THE ROUGH CARPENTRY, THAT'S WHY THE NUMBER'S SO HIGH ON THE METAL SIDE, IS ALL OF THAT'S WOOD TRUSSES AND WOOD DECKING FOR THE MEZZANINE ON, ON THAT SIDE. UM, THE FLASHING AND SHEET METAL OF $137,000, THAT'S BASICALLY THE METAL BUILDING ROOF ON THE CONCRETE VERSION OF THE BUILDING. THE, UM, PAINTING COATING, THAT 34A IS TO PAINT THE EXTERIOR OF THE WALLS, TO PAINT THE PART THAT'S NOT STONE ANYWAY, TO PAINT THE INTERIOR CONCRETE WALLS, AND TO PAINT THE STRUCTURE OF THE ROOF AND THAT KIND OF THING. THERE'S, AGAIN, SINCE WE WERE TRYING TO KIND OF REALLY BUDGET THE METAL BUILDING, EVERYTHING THAT'S EXPOSED STEEL IN THE METAL BUILDING IS JUST PRIMER AND NOT EVEN, NOT EVEN PAINTED. AND THEN THE SPECIAL STRUCTURES AGAIN IS THE METAL BUILDING KIT THAT COMES OUT AND, YOU KNOW, BUY THE BUILDING AND HAVE IT ERECTED BY THE SAME CREW THERE. SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT'S DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO. BUT SAID, A PAGE AND A HALF OF SIMILARITIES NO MATTER WHICH ONE GO AND REALLY NOT ALL THAT MANY THINGS THAT ARE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHICH ONE WE WRAP IT WITH AND WHICH MEZZANINE WE GO WITH.

YEAH, THIS IS REALLY HELPFUL.

I MEAN, THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF ANALYSIS THAT I WANTED TO SEE. I BUILT A LOT OF BOTH OF THESE KINDS OF BUILDINGS, AND HISTORICALLY WE STARTED OUT BUILDING ALMOST ALL OF THEM SHEET METAL BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY WERE SHOP FACILITIES. RIGHT.

OVER THE YEARS, THOUGH,

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BOTH OF THEM HAVE METAL ROOFS, RIGHT? GOT A METAL ROOF ON BOTH OF THEM. IT'S GOING TO BE A FAR BETTER BUILDING IF IT'S A TILT WALL CONSTRUCTION. SO, I MEAN, I'VE REALLY COME AROUND ON THIS, ESPECIALLY AFTER LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS ON IT. ARE ANY OF THE FLOORS HAVE DRAINS? NO FLOOR DRAINS? I DON'T HAVE ANY.

OKAY. YEAH.

AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, WE ALSO GET A MORE ROBUST MEZZANINE. YEAH. YEAH.

AM I CORRECT, WE WERE GOING TO USE THAT MEZZANINE FOR NOT JUST PUBLIC WORKS STORAGE, BUT FOR LIKE PARKS AND REC AND SOME OTHER THINGS AS WELL, CORRECT? THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.

WE HAVE ROOM.

OKAY, AND I'LL SAY, I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, AT THIS $800,000 PRICE DIFFERENTIAL, I WOULD WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT WHEN WE'RE DOWN AT $275,000 OR WHATEVER IT IS.

YEAH, I WOULD BE DOWN FOR THE CONCRETE FOR SURE.

FOR A LEGACY BUILDING, IT'S TO LAST FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

YES. IS THIS STONE CLAD OR NOT STONE CLAD? ANY PART OF IT? IS THERE ANY STONE? THE PRICE HERE AGAIN ON THE ORANGEY STUFF, THERE'S A LINE ITEM IN THERE FOR THE MASONRY. SO I THINK THERE'S $175,000. THAT'S THE, THE FAUX STONE WE CALL IT BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY STUCK ON THE WALL, UM, WHICH IS THE SAME AS WHAT'S ON THE PUMP STATION NEXT DOOR TO IT BECAUSE THAT WAS A CONCRETE BLOCK BUILDING. IT WASN'T REALLY BIG ENOUGH TO BRING THE CRANES OUT DO THE TILT WALL PANELS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS GOING FOR, IS BEING ABLE TO MATCH THAT BUILDING, UM, WITH THE, WITH THE CONCRETE THAT GIVES YOU THE ABUSE RESISTANCE. AND THEN IF WE WANT TO DRESS IT UP THE SAME, THEN WE CAN JUST APPLY THE STONE TO IT.

MR. SHARP, SO I'M GUESSING THAT THE MEZZANINE IS BOTH FINISHED AND CLIMATE CONTROLLED IN THIS, IN THIS ESTIMATE? IT IS NOT CLIMATE CONTROLLED.

PART OF THAT VENTILATION AND INFRARED HEAT.

OKAY.

WELL, I GUESS WHERE MY GUESS CAME FROM AGAIN, 85 WELL, 86K IF YOU WANT TO SAY THAT DEDICATED TO HVAC AIR DISTRIBUTION PLUS ANOTHER 04,800 FOR CENTRAL AIR VAC OR HVAC.

THAT WAS FANS. SO BETWEEN THAT AND THE 77K ON PLASMA PLASTER AND GYPSUM BOARD, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT FEELS LIKE NUMBERS THAT ARE FOR FURNISHING 8,000 FEET RATHER THAN 4. YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I LOOKED AT CONSTRUCTION COSTS. I KNOW HOW FAST THEY'RE GOING UP. BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD KIND OF RATIONALIZE THAT. IS THERE A LITTLE BIT OF OVERAGE BUILT INTO THAT OR, YOU KNOW ON WHICH PART IN PARTICULAR? THE INTERIOR FINISHING AND CLIMATE CONTROL. SO $86K ON HVAC AIR DISTRIBUTION, $77K ON PLASTER AND GYPSUM BOARD, AND I WOULD GO SO FAR AS TO SAY THE $24K ON FLOORING $24K ON FLOORING IF YOU'RE ONLY FINISHING THE BOTTOM 4,300 SQUARE FEET SEEMS HIGH.

THE, UM, YEAH, NUMBER ONE, IT HAS ALL JUST GONE UP FOR ONE THING, BUT THE PLASTER AND GYPSUM BOARD INCLUDES ALL THE METAL STUDS BECAUSE ALL OF THE FINISH-OUT AREA THERE WOULD BE METAL STUDS, AND THEN THE SHEETROCK. AND I THINK THE INSULATION'S IN A DIFFERENT LINE ITEM.

BUT YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL JUST FOR THE FINISHED-OUT AREA.

ONE MORE. YOU HAVE EARTH MOVING LISTED UNDER THIS SECTION FOR $343K, AND THEN EARTH MOVING UNDER SITE WORK FOR 4, 42.

THEY HAVE THE SAME, UH, I DON'T KNOW, DIVISION CODE, WHATEVER THAT MEANS. SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT WHATEVER.

WHAT IS IT? YEAH, ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, JUST SO I DIDN'T SPEND EVEN LONGER TYPING ALL OF THIS, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ESTIMATE THAT YOU'VE GOT UP THERE, HE'S GOT IT BROKEN DOWN BY BUILDING AND SITE, AND THERE'S EARTHWORK IN, IN BOTH LIKE THAT. JUST WONDER IN BOTH HERE.

BUT THE EARTHWORK UNDER THE BUILDING, OR FOR THE BUILDING CATEGORY, MOSTLY IS ALL THAT BUILDING PAD. OUR BLACKLAND CLAY THAT WE'RE BLESSED WITH, IT'S GREAT FOR FARMING AROUND HERE, IT'S GREAT FOR FARMING AND RANCHING AND ALL THAT, BUT IT'S NOT WORTH THE FLIP

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SO THAT'S WHAT THAT NUMBER IS FOR. THE ONE THAT'S PART OF THE SITE WORK IS MORE IN, YOU KNOW, SCRAPING THE GRASS OFF, SAVING TOPSOIL, GETTING READY PAVING. AND AGAIN, MORE OBVIOUSLY SITE-RELATED THINGS, BUT THAT LIST IS A LITTLE MORE CLEAR IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE CONSULTANT'S REPORT. HE KIND OF SPELLS THAT OUT A LITTLE MORE. I WAS JUST TRYING TO HIT THE NUMBERS HERE AND DIDN'T I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. YOU CAN FIND A LITTLE MORE OF THAT DETAIL IN, IN HIS.

THANK YOU.

I GOT TWO QUICK ONES. ONE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR THE FLOORING SURFACE IN THE HVAC AREA? SO IN THE OFFICE? IN THE OFFICE, YEAH. CERAMIC TILE IN ALL THE RESTROOMS AND SHOWERS AND DRESSING AREAS, THAT KIND OF THING. EVERYTHING ELSE, I BELIEVE, EITHER CARPET OR VCP. NOTHING SPECIAL.

IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING PRETTY DURABLE FOR A WORKFORCE TO BE IN THEN. AND I CALL THEM CRASH POLES OR BUMP POLES. DO YOU HAVE THOSE PRICED IN FOR ALL THE DOORS THROUGH THE ENTRY TO KEEP A TRUCK FROM RUNNING INTO THE WALL WHEN HE'S BACKING IN? THE STEEL PIPE BOLLARDS AT THE DOORS? YES, WE WOULD DEFINITELY DO THAT. YEAH, STEEL WALL OR METAL BUILDING, WE DON'T YEAH, WE DON'T NEED THEM HITTING THAT AND MESSING UP THE JAMBS, AND THEN THE DOORS DON'T OPEN AND CLOSE.

I'M GOOD.

SINCE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME HERE, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, HOW DID WHAT, WHAT DOES STAFF NEED FROM COUNCIL AT THIS POINT? AT THIS POINT, I WOULD ASSUME THAT WHAT WE NEED IS TO YOUR THOUGHTS ON GOING FORWARD WITH WHICH BUILDING. SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK WITH THE COST, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT FINANCING.

I'M COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS CONCRETE BUILDING.

SAME. DEFINITELY.

OKAY, THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE, AND THEN AT OUR NEXT, WE WILL COME BACK WITH FINANCING OPTIONS. OKAY, AND THEN AT THIS TIME TIME. IT IS 6:54. I'LL END THE WORKSHOP.

THE COUNCIL MEETING WILL START AT 7. I HEREBY CALL THE CITY

[CALL TO ORDER]

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I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG; I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE THANK YOU.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS ]

YOU WANT TO COME UP AND GIVE US YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT? GOOD EVENING.

SO I'M SCOTT LIVESAY AT 7305 MOSS RIDGE ROAD. I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON THE HOW PLEASED I WAS TO HEAR THE PLANNING AND ZONING WAS ADDRESSING FLOODING AND STORM DRAINAGE ISSUES WITH THE CITY OF PARKER THAT WE EXPERIENCE IN A LOT OF AREAS.

AND I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE SUBMITTING FOR CONSIDERATION, I THINK THIS EVENING, RELATIVE TO DISCUSSION ON AND HIRING AN ENGINEERING FIRM, BURKHOFF HENDRICKS AND CARTER, WHICH I THINK WAS FORMERLY CONWAY, DEVELOPED A LONG-TERM ROADMAP FOR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, PRIORITIZING FUTURE PROJECTS AND EVALUATING HOW THESE IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE FUNDED.

THE STORM DRAINAGE FEE TO BE INCLUDED IN MONTHLY WATER BILLS FOR CONSIDERATION, I WILL SUPPORT THAT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. IT'S AN EXPENSIVE CAPITAL THING TO DO, SO I APPRECIATE THAT APPROACH.

ALSO BEING SAID, I'M IN POSSESSION OF THE PREVIOUS AUGUST 8TH, 2008 STUDY THAT WAS FROM BURKHARDT, HENDRICKS, AND CONWAY. AND THEY ADDRESSED THE MOSS RIDGE DRAINING ISSUE BACK IN 2008. IT STATED, AND I QUOTE, THAT BASED ON THESE FINDINGS, THE DRIVEWAY CULVERTS ARE NOT ABLE TO CONVEY THE SMALL STORM EVENT, UNQUOTE. AND WE STILL HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME THING 26 YEARS 28, WHATEVER THE MATH IS.

UM, 2008.

AND IT WAS PRESENTED TO THEN THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR, JEFF FINEGAN. UM, IF YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY IN YOUR FILES, THAT'S GREAT. IF YOU NEED ONE, I HAVE A COPY OF IT AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE IT. UM, BUT I'M, UH, I JUST WANT TO APPLAUD THE ISSUE OF ADDRESSING DRAINAGE ISSUE IN PARKER. IT'S BEING EXACERBATED BY THE BUILD-OUT IN EJT LAND THAT'S HAPPENING IN SEVERAL PLACES, NOT JUST NORTH OF MOSS RIDGE BUT OTHERS. AND EVEN GOING TO TALK SOME MORE ABOUT SOME OF THAT THAT'S GOING ON TONIGHT RELATIVE TO EJTS.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT WE DO WITH IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, MS. HULL, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS? OKAY,

[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ]

ON WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 12TH, THERE'S A PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE MEETING IN THIS ROOM AT 5 PM. IT IS OPEN TO ALL THAT WISH TO ATTEND. THE PARKS AND RECS SUBCOMMITTEE FOR PARKER FEST IS HAVING A MEETING AT FRANK DACOSTA'S HOME AT 7 PM ON JULY 27TH. THE INFORMATION, IF YOU NEED WHERE HE LIVES, JUST SEND ME AN EMAIL. IT IS OPEN TO ALL THAT WANTS TO BE A VOLUNTEER OR PARTICIPATE.

PARTICIPATE IN PARKER FEST, AND WE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

WE NEED VOLUNTEERS. UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THE ELECTION INFORMATION IS ON HERE AWFUL EARLY, BUT AS FAST AS TIME IS GOING, I UNDERSTAND WHY PATTY'S PUTTING THIS ON HERE. UM, THE

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AT THIS TIME, I WOULD WE'LL MOVE TO PRESENTATIONS, AND I WILL INDICATE THE PRESENTATION BY FIRE CHIEF MILLER IS BEING MOVED TO AUGUST 18TH BECAUSE MR. MILLER IS BEING DEPLOYED DUE TO THE FLOODING IN THE VALLEY. SO HE'S NOT HERE

[CONSENT AGENDA]

SO WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR JUNE 22ND, 2026, APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR JUNE 30TH, 2026, APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR JULY 7TH, 2026. COUNCIL, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO PULL ANYTHING OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? OKAY, NOT SEEING THAT, THEN I WOULD CALL FOR A MOTION.

MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

OKAY, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HALBERT TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES AS PRESENTED. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DARREL SHARP. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

WORD HAD TO STOP AND COUNT.

[7. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2026-906 AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT FOR PROFESSIONAL CONSULTING SERVICES WITH WILLDAN FINANCIAL SERVICES. ]

I'LL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE APPROVE RESOLUTION 2026-906, AUTHORIZING AGREEMENT FOR PROFESSIONAL CONSULTING SERVICES WITH WILL DIANNE FINANCIAL SERVICES. OKAY, IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER PILGRIM ABOUT COUNCILMEMBER BARRON AND A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM PILGRIM TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026-906 -906 AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT FOR PROFESSIONAL CONSULTING SERVICES WITH WILDDOWN FINANCIAL SERVICES. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? MR. SHORT? OH, I THOUGHT YOU I THOUGHT THAT WAS A SIGNAL.

OKAY, NOT HEARING ANY, THEN I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026-906, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 4-0. THANK YOU. NEXT, WE'LL GO

[8. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2026-907 AUTHORIZING A DRAINAGE STUDY.]

JERRY, I CAN SPEAK ON THAT.

OKAY.

PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM, SIR. YES.

I'M WITH BARKOFF, HEDRICKSON CARTER, FORMERLY CONWAY.

TYPICALLY THIS IS LIKE A 30,000-FOOT VIEW TYPE OF THING.

AT LEAST THAT'S WHERE WE START OFF WITH IT. SOMETIMES FOR CERTAIN CITIES, WE'LL PUT IN SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN DRAINAGE STUDIES WHERE WE GO DETAILED IN A SPECIFIC AREA AND WE GET REALLY IN-DEPTH ON IT.

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OKAY, WELL, THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS IS, FOR EXAMPLE, MR. LIVESAY'S NEIGHBORHOOD IS ONE OF THE, I THINK, TWO MOST NOTORIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT DRAINAGE HERE. AND, UM, IN THEIR PARTICULAR CASE, I THINK THERE IS A DEBATE THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ABOUT WHETHER THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WAS A FACTOR, WHICH I PERSONALLY DON'T BELIEVE, OR IT'S SOME PRE-EXISTING PROBLEMS, OR IT'S, UM, SOMETHING HAS CHANGED. UH, MR. BARRON, PLEASE STAY ON DRAINAGE STUDY.

OKAY, ON THE STUDY. SO, UM, SO YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS, WITH THE STUDY, YOU KNOW, CAN WE PICK SOME NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET INTO MORE DETAILS ABOUT? AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO INVESTIGATE EVERY SINGLE CULVERT THROUGH THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, YOU KNOW, ON SOME OF THESE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS THE CITY WILL SAY WE HAVE AREAS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IF IT'S CLEARLY SOMETHING WHERE THE, THE DITCHES WEREN'T PROPERLY SIZED IN THE FIRST PLACE, WELL, THAT'S A PRETTY SWEEPING GLOBAL KIND OF SOLUTION THAT YOU CAN HONE IN ON. IN TERMS OF, AS MADAM MAYOR POINTED TO, IN TERMS OF ASSESSING WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OR THE EFFECT OF CERTAIN ASPECTS OF IT, THAT WOULD NOT BE THE PURPOSE OF THIS. THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO ESTABLISH WHAT PROJECTS ARE NEEDED AS PART A TO IT, AND PART B IS WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF TO ESTABLISH AN OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE COST AND THEN COMBINE THAT, PUT IT INTO A COMBINED FEE THAT CAN BE ASSESSED TO RESIDENTS. OR IF THE CITY ELECTS, THEY CAN ONLY ASSESS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FEE OR ONLY THE OPERATION MAINTENANCE FEE OR BOTH. THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO THE CITY. WE'LL END UP PROVIDING 3 DIFFERENT OPTIONS AT THE END OF THE DAY.

WELL, THIS ADDRESSED THE DRAINAGE CITYWIDE.

WHERE ARE THE PROBLEMS, WHAT ARE THE PROBLEMS, AND WHAT MAY BE NEEDED TO FIX THE PROBLEMS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

WILL IT ADDRESS I DON'T LIKE TO SAY YES TO WILL IT ADDRESS DRAINAGE BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG THAT'S A BIG QUESTION.

GENERALLY, THE SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT A I MEAN, IT COULD BE COINED AS A DRAINAGE STUDY.

WE'D BE PREPARING A STORMWATER MASTER PLAN. GENERALLY, THESE ARE FOR FUTURE CROSSINGS, FUTURE THINGS THAT ARE NOT EXISTING YET. THAT'S WHERE WE DO OUR KIND OF LEGWORK ON THE FRONT END. AND LIKE I SAID, THEN WE GET WITH THE CITY STAFF AND KIND OF PINPOINT SOME AREAS WHERE THERE ARE ISSUES. IF IF THE EXPECTATION IS FOR US TO GO THROUGH AND, AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A SERIES OF DRAINAGE PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEYOND OUR SCOPE OF SERVICES AS THEY CURRENTLY SIT.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING WE'VE DONE FOR OTHER CITIES, BUT THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT SCOPE SERVICES.

NO, NOT, NOT FOR NOT FOR THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY FOR ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF EQUATE IT TO ROADS. SO YOU'LL GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT ALL OF OUR DRAINAGE AND KIND OF HIGHLIGHT, WOW, THIS IS D, HOLY COW, THAT'S THE ONE YOU NEED TO AND JUST KIND OF GIVE A HIGH LEVEL, THESE ARE THE BIG PROBLEMS YOU'VE GOT, LIKE WE WOULD DO WITH ROADS? YES, AT THE END OF THE HEY, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET? YES. BUT WHAT WE'LL DO ON THE FRONT END IS IF THERE'S NUMBER ONE, WE TAKE YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND WE SEE WHERE THAT THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS GOING TO BE CROSSING WITH THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN AND FEMA STREAMS. AND WHEREVER THOSE ARE, WE'RE GOING TO SIZE THOSE. SO THOSE ARE GOING TO BE BIG PROJECTS.

THOSE ARE GOING TO BE LARGE CULVERTS, BIG BRIDGES. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE BIG DOLLAR AMOUNTS. AND A LOT OF THOSE AREN'T ACTUALLY GOING TO END UP ON YOUR CIP BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOING TO BE TXDOT-FUNDED PROJECTS OR COUNTY-FUNDED PROJECTS. BUT WE STILL PRESENT THOSE SO YOU HAVE THEM IN THE MASTER PLAN. AND THEN AFTER THAT COMES THE CIP AND THE UTILITY DISTRICT RATE.

SO GIVE ME YOUR BEST EXPLANATION OF WHAT UNDER YOUR SCOPE OF SERVICES, PART A, ITEM 1A SAYS OUTLINE

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IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I WAS LOOKING AT PART B.

OKAY, I'VE GOT PART B OF THAT QUESTION IN JUST A MOMENT. MAYBE IT'LL BE EASIER. ALL RIGHT.

PART A, 1A, OUTLINE EXISTING STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS IN DETERMINED AREAS OF SO THAT WOULD THAT'S ACTUALLY FALLING MORE INTO THE LINE OF SORRY.

BUDDY. I'M TRYING TO SORRY.

MORE OF WHAT HE WAS ASKING INTO.

IN CERTAIN CITIES WE DO IT IN A DIFFERENT ORDER.

IN TERMS OF WHENEVER I SAID FIRST OF ALL WE'LL DO THAT 30,000-FOOT VIEW, APPARENTLY THIS IS STRUCTURED DIFFERENTLY.

FIRST OF ALL, SIR? I GUESS CRAIG MUST HAVE THOUGHT SO IF THAT'S HOW HE PUT IT TOGETHER.

SO I'M STILL NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'LL GET.

WELL, SO THE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THAT PARTIALLY THAT IS SO THAT'S MEET WITH NECESSARY CITY STAFF INCLUDING PUBLIC WORK, PLANNING, FINANCE, PARKS AND RECREATION. PART OF THAT IS, IS MOST OF WHAT THAT'S DESCRIBING THERE UNDER THE BULLET A IS THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE IN TERMS OF HOW MANY NEW PEOPLE DO Y'ALL NEED TO HIRE TO HANDLE THE DRAINAGE NEEDS, UH, WHAT KIND OF EQUIPMENT, UH, VEHICLES, CITY, UH, ROAD SWEEPERS, THINGS OF THAT EFFECT.

HM, OKAY, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I WAS EXPECTING.

AND ITEM 5 SAYS, ESTIMATE STORM SEWER SIZE FOR FULLY DEVELOPED FLOWS FOR THE PURPOSES OF GENERATING OPINIONS OF PROBABLE CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE ITEM 5 WAS LISTED LIFTED FROM ONE OF YOUR KIND OF STANDARD CONTRACTS YOU USE WITH MOST CITIES THAT ACTUALLY HAVE STORM SEWERS, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE STORM SEWERS. WE HAVE DITCHES. THERE MIGHT BE A FEW STORM SEWERS IN IN THE CITY, BUT IN GENERAL, WE DON'T HAVE STORM SEWERS.

I'M FROM AMARILLO, SO I KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. YEAH, FLAT LAND UP THERE. UH, STILL, THAT, THAT POINT RIGHT THERE SPECIFICALLY IS MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT I WAS SPEAKING OF, OF WITH YOUR, YOUR ULTIMATE THOROUGHFARE PLAN CROSSING IN WITH THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN AND YES, THAT IS LIFTED GENERALLY FROM OTHER CONTRACTS, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT'S TALKING ABOUT. THE ULTIMATE SIZING OF THOSE IS IT'S PUT IN THERE AS A CATCH-ALL FOR, YOU KNOW, THOSE BIG BRIDGES, YOUR 4 OR 6 BY 8 CULVERT CROSSINGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. Y'ALL DON'T HAVE A SINGLE STORM CULVERT HERE.

I DON'T KNOW OF ANY. SOME OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE THAT LIVED HERE LONGER THAN I DO MAY KNOW OF ONE.

WELL, WE HAVE THERE ARE SOME AROUND, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THEM. TXDOT OWNS SOME.

YEAH, THERE'S ONE UNDER MCCRARY WHO I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS IT, AND THERE'S A FEW OTHERS AROUND.

YEAH, TEXAS TXDOT STREETS WOULD HAVE THEM. OKAY, SO WE DO HAVE A FEW HERE.

AND THAT CERTAINLY ENDS UP BEING SEVERAL LINE ITEMS THAT WE I MEAN, WHENEVER YOU GET YOUR FINAL REPORT, THAT'S A BIG SECTION OF THE REPORT IS ALL THE DITCH IMPROVEMENTS, IF THAT'S WHAT ENDS UP NEEDING TO BE DONE. AND DITCH IMPROVEMENTS IS A WHOLE SEPARATE SECTION FROM CULVERT IMPROVEMENTS OR BRIDGE IMPROVEMENTS.

I MEAN, THE WAY I KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE IS WE'VE GOT, FOR THE MOST PART, OPEN DRAINAGE DITCHES, A LOT SOME OF WHICH WERE POORLY DESIGNED IN THE BEGINNING IN TERMS OF WATER RUNOFF AND CALCULATE THE VOLUME. SOME OF THEM MIGHT HAVE BEEN CORRECTLY DESIGNED BUT HAVEN'T BEEN PROPERLY MAINTAINED. AND I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF THOSE TWO THINGS POOR DESIGN INITIALLY AND POOR MAINTENANCE SINCE THEN. AND THOUGH WHEN THOSE TWO THINGS RUN TOGETHER, THEY REALLY CREATE SOME SERIOUS PROBLEMS IN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, SOME OF WHICH MAY BE THE CITY'S PROBLEMS AND SOME OF WHICH MAY ACTUALLY NOT BE THE CITY'S PROBLEMS. IT MAY BE THE THE HOMEOWNER'S PROBLEM.

ABSOLUTELY.

OR THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER.

WELL, AND YOU ALSO IT COULD BE CAUSES UPSTREAM OR DOWNSTREAM.

YEAH, AT THE END OF THE DAY.

SO IN TERMS OF DOWNSTREAM, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IS IF, IF WE LOOK AT IT TOGETHER WITH THE CITY STAFF AND DETERMINE THAT, HEY, WE NEED A THERE'S CLEARLY A LOT OF ISSUES IN THIS AREA AND IT'S COMING IT'S STARTING DOWNSTREAM AND WORKING ITS WAY UP, UH, WE CAN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF A SOME KIND OF REGIONAL DETENTION FOR A CERTAIN AREA. AND AGAIN, IT ENDS UP WE'RE NOT DESIGNING THAT. WE'RE PUTTING THAT IN THERE AS A CATCH-ALL COST, AND AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY'S GOING

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YOU HAD A QUESTION. HOW DO YOU HANDLE SO WITHIN PARKER, WE HAVE UNDEVELOPED LAND, AND AROUND PARKER, WE HAVE UNDEVELOPED ETJ LAND THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, LARGELY CHANGE FLOW RATE OR OTHERWISE THE IMPACT TO EXISTING DRAINAGE SYSTEMS. HOW DO YOU TAKE OR DO YOU TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS A WAY TO FLAG CERTAIN AREAS THAT MIGHT BE MORE SUBJECT TO RISK OR CHANGE? I MEAN, WE DON'T TAKE IT INTO ANY MORE CONSIDERATION THAN THE OTHER, BUT NO LESS ALSO. WE TREAT ALL TREAT THE LAND AS THE SAME. I GUESS WE TREAT IT NOT AS UNDEVELOPED LAND. WE TREAT IT SORRY, I THINK I UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION. WE TREAT IT SOMETHING WE REQUIRE ON THE FRONT END IS LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS OR ZONING FROM THE CITY TO GO BASED OFF OF. WE DON'T USE EXISTING LAND USE AND TREAT IT AS UNDEVELOPED LAND. WE'RE GOING BASED OFF OF WHAT IT'S ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE, WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE, WHAT THE RUNOFF IS GOING TO BE CONVEYED.

ACROSS AND SIZE IT BASED OFF OF THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

IT IS. OKAY, THANK YOU.

OKAY, SO GARY, I, I ASSUME THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY AS FAMILIAR AS ANYBODY IN THE CITY WITH THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. SO DO YOU ENVISION THIS THING REALLY STARTING OFF WITH YOU SPENDING TIME WITH THESE GUYS TELLING THEM WHAT HERE ARE THE I'LL MAKE UP A NUMBER HERE HERE ARE THE 4 MAJOR PROBLEM AREAS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY THAT WE WANT YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND GIVE US SOME ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO CORRECT THESE PROBLEMS. SURE, I'D BE TOTALLY WILLING TO DO THAT. I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE EXACT SCOPE OF WORK IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING TO DO AND HOW WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT AND STAY WITHIN THE BUDGET, BECAUSE TO DO SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S BEING ASKED COULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE. AND SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED FOR THAT.

BUT THEY'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF THEIR INITIAL INPUT FROM YOU IN TERMS OF WHERE TO LOOK SO THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST I CAN CERTAINLY POINT THEM TO A LOT OF AREAS.

WANDERING AROUND. YEAH. IT SHOULD BE LIKE THAT.

AND WHENEVER WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, WHENEVER WE HAVE THAT INITIAL MEETING, USUALLY THE MOST HELPFUL THING IS TO OBVIOUSLY DRIVE AROUND. AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT WITH THE CITY STAFF ON THAT AT THE TIME OF THAT INITIAL MEETING.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD. OH, I THOUGHT YOU HAD A QUESTION. OKAY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY, COUNCIL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WHAT IS YOUR DESIRE ON ITEM NUMBER 8, RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026-907? MR. PILGRIM.

MADAM MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 2026-907, RESOLUTION FOR THE CITY OF PARKER TO APPROVE AN AGREEMENT FOR ENGINEERING RELATED TO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OF BURKOFF HENDRICKSON CARTER, ETC., FOR PREPARATION OF A STORMWATER WATER MASTER PLAN AND STORMWATER UTILITY RATE STUDY AND AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT.

MR. BARRON, I'LL SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM PILGRIM AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER BARRON TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026-907. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.

ALTHOUGH THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026-907, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, RESOLUTION CARRIES 4-0. THANK YOU. THANK

[9. RECEIVE PRESENTATION, CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION, AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN. ]

WELL, IT MAKES IT EASIER.

WE GO WITH THE AT THE MCCROTER ROAD FIRST, YOU KNOW. GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL AND CITIZENS. MY NAME IS SONNY ZAKARIA. I LIVE AT 3708 GRAY LANE, PARKER, TEXAS 75002. SO I'M RESIDENT IN PARKER FOR LAST 10 YEARS, SO, AND I'M GLAD TO HAVE SOME PROJECT WITH PARKER. I HAVE AN ADDRESS,

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6757 MUKUROTO ROAD. IT'S A 29-ACRE LAND.

IT'S CURRENTLY OUT OF CITY LIMITS IN ETJ. AND IT'S A TOTAL OF 29 ACRES WE HAVE IT RIGHT NOW. I'D LIKE TO DEVELOP THE 10,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOTS IN THERE. FOR BASICALLY, I THINK I BRING IT HERE, CONCEPT PLAN, TO JUST SEE IT, TO DISCUSS IF IT'S POSSIBLE, ANYTHING WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS HERE. THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS ONE, BECAUSE OF CITY ACROSS THE STREET, THE CITY OF MURPHY, WILLING TO GIVE ME THE SEWAGE AND WATER ALSO. AND I THINK I DID SHARE WITH YOU YOU GUYS ABOUT, UH, WILL SERVE LETTER. UM, BUT, UH, BY TALKING AND DISCUSSING ABOUT EVERYTHING, I KNOW THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE SEWAGE, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THE SMALLER LOT. I ALREADY AWARE WITH THAT BECAUSE I LIVE IN PARKER AND I DO A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS. I WAS CURRENTLY SUBDIVISION IS GOING ON, UH, CITY OF LUCAS. I'M DOING A 1-ACRE SUBDIVISION IN CITY OF LUCAS RIGHT NOW. SO BACK TO THE POINT, BECAUSE OF THE SEWAGE SYSTEMS AVAILABLE, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING, THIS PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, SMALLER LOTS ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT, UH, LAND. AND WHATEVER, I MEAN, CITY RECOMMEND, AND I'M WILLING TO LISTEN AND WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS, WHATEVER MAKES IT.

OKAY, GARY, DID YOU COMMENTS ON THERE.

SONNY HAD APPROACHED ME A LITTLE WHILE BACK WITH THESE IDEAS, AND NORMALLY I KNOW THAT THIS SIZE LOTS JUST WOULDN'T FLY IN PARKER. THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT HE'S GOT A POTENTIAL TO GO TO ANOTHER CITY. I THOUGHT, WELL, LET'S AT LEAST PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY APPETITE TO TRY TO KEEP IT IN THE CITY OF PARKER. THAT'S WHY HE'S HERE.

MY GOAL IS HERE, I LIKE TO STAY IN THE PARKER IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO KEEP CONTINUING WORK WITH THE INTENDED TAX REVENUE FOR THE PARKER. BUT BECAUSE OF THE SEWAGE AVAILABLE OTHER SIDE, AND THAT'S THE REASON I APPROACHED THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, YOU KNOW, IF ANY RECOMMENDATION YOU GUYS HAVE IT, I'M WILLING TO LISTEN AND TRY TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS WHATEVER WAY IS POSSIBLE. OKAY, MR. BARON, UH, JERRY, THEY'RE IN OUR CCN, CORRECT? THEY'RE IN OUR CCN AND ETJ TODAY.

OKAY. AND OUR WATER CCN, NOT SEWER.

WE DON'T HAVE SEWER THERE, RIGHT? CORRECT. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, SO IS THERE ANY PROBLEM WITH US PROVIDING THE WATER AS OPPOSED TO MURPHY, TECHNICALLY? NO, OKAY, WE COULD PROVIDE THE WATER. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MURPHY ABOUT THIS, BUT VERIFIED THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO SPLIT THOSE SERVICES. AND IF THE COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED IN PURSUING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, MURPHY SAID IT IS POSSIBLE FOR US TO PROVIDE THE WATER AND CITY SERVICES, AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SEWER SERVICE.

OKAY, AND THEN, UM, I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS HERE. I'M ASSUMING IT'S JUST A CONCEPT PLAN.

VERY, VERY JUST PRELIMINARY CONCEPT PLAN.

OKAY, BECAUSE LIKE THE EAST-WEST ROAD DON'T MAKE SENSE THERE.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND THEN I THINK NORTH AND SOUTH ARE FLIPPED ON THIS.

YES, SIR.

OKAY. YES.

UM, AND, UM, LIKEWISE, UH, THE LOCATION OF THE RETENTION POND THERE, I THINK YOU WERE ASSUMING IT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE NORTH SIDE.

NO, AND BEFORE I CAME TO THE MEETING, I DID TALK WITH MY ENGINEERS AND ALL DETAILS ABOUT THE POND BECAUSE WE GOT THE SURVEY DONE NOW. SO I ALREADY KNOW WHERE IS THE LOWEST POINT NOW. SO I HAVE A DIAGRAM WHICH IS BEFORE, JUST RIGHT BEFORE CAME. SO IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT AT THE 75% OF THE LAND, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY, IF YOU LOOK AT ON GOOGLE, YOU CAN SEE THE DITCHES AND HOW THE WATER IS RUNNING. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT SAME NATURAL FLOW.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT.

AND WE DON'T LOVE ANYTHING LIKE TO CHANGE IT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

OK. YEAH. I WAS GOING TO POINT THAT OUT. AND JUST FOR THE REST OF YOU TO KNOW, THE INFLOW TO THEIR PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE FROM THE SOUTH FORK ESTATES RETENTION POND. AND THE OUTFLOW GOES INTO CITY TURF, WHO I BELIEVE THEY'RE IN THE ETJ, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DETENTION POND.

THAT'S CORRECT, IT GOES INTO THAT DETENTION POND.

OKAY, UM, SO I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN BROOKS FARM RIGHT BEHIND THERE, AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE 3 NEIGHBORS WHO WILL ABUT YOUR PROPERTY THERE. UM, UH, ONE

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IF HE DOES, HE DOES.

OKAY, BUT THE, UM, I THINK THE, THE MAJOR CONCERN IS THEY WOULD LIKE SOME KIND OF BUFFER ZONE THERE. UM, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE STARING DIRECTLY OUT THE BACK OF THEIR HOUSE, UM, INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? SO IT'S A BROOK FARM COMMUNITY, IT'S 1-ACRE-PLUS COMMUNITY, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THEIR BACKYARD IS GOING TO BE PRETTY BIG THAN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO OFFER RIGHT HERE. SO I WAS THINKING RIGHT HERE BETWEEN THE BROOKS FARM COMMUNITY AND OUR COMMUNITY, WE CAN HAVE IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, BACK-TO-BACK HOUSE. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FACING OTHER ONE IS FACING, I BELIEVE, NORTH, AND OURS IS GOING TO FACE SOUTH. SO YOU HAVE A BACKYARD. AND ALSO, I TALKED WITH MY ENGINEERS, WE LIKE TO DO THAT THOSE PARTICULAR LOTS AGAINST THOSE BROOKS FARMS COMMUNITY LARGE LOTS AND MORE DEEPER AND LARGER. SO THIS WAY WE HAVE ENOUGH BUFFER WITH THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW.

OKAY, AND I'LL JUST POINT OUT SOMETHING TO YOU WHICH YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW. SO ON THE BROOKS FARM SIDE, THERE IS ACTUALLY A DITCH RIGHT THERE AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN RIGHT AT THE PROPERTY LINE UM, THERE WERE TREES AND, UH, VINES.

IT'S ALL VERY OVERGROWN.

OKAY. UM, NOW ONE OF THE THREE NEIGHBORS, THE ONE FURTHEST TO THE EAST, ACTUALLY REMOVED ALL THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE UP TO, BUT SO THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOT AN OPEN VIEW. THE OTHER ONES RIGHT NOW, I THINK THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S VEGETATION THERE, BUT IT IS IT'S A MESS. OKAY.

AND IT'S PARTIALLY ON BROOKS FARMLAND, IT'S PARTIALLY ON YOUR LAND. SO ANYWAY, I'M JUST BRINGING THIS UP SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THERE.

YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

YEAH, I GUESS FOR ME, I THOUGHT THIS WAS MORE OF A CONCEPTUAL DISCUSSION AND NOT GETTING INTO THE PARTICULARS OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

WELL, WELL, I'M JUST BRINGING UP THE, THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THERE.

BUT RIGHT, WE CAN CUT IT OFF AT THIS POINT.

I GUESS I'D LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT THE OTHER ONE AS WELL, BUT FOR ME, I AM NOT READY TO MAKE ONE-OFF DECISIONS. WE HAVE MULTIPLE ETJ THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH, AND THIS FALLS INTO THAT LARGER DISCUSSION, IN MY OPINION.

WE'RE JUST PROVIDING MR. CICORIA IS PROVIDING TO US HIS CONCEPT PLAN FOR FEEDBACK. THERE'S NO DECISIONS. IT'S JUST HE WOULD LIKE FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ON WHAT WE FEEL IS GOOD, BAD, OR DIFFERENT, WHICH IS FINE, BUT I'M NOT WILLING TO I'M NOT READY TO GIVE THAT IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GREATER CONCEPT THAT WE WANT AS A COMMUNITY WITH THE REST OF OUR ETJS. WE HAVE OTHER ETJ DEVELOPMENTS THAT WANT TO COME FORWARD AS WELL, AND I WANT THAT TO BE WHAT IS OUR PHILOSOPHICAL GUIDING STAR AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

I GUESS I SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, AS EACH ETJI IS GOING TO BE DEALT WITH INDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE INDIVIDUAL SITUATIONS.

OH, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK IF WE HAVE A GUIDING STAR, THEN WE CAN FILTER THESE WITH HOW DO WE MAKE THAT INDIVIDUALLY FIT WITH WHAT THE OVERALL CONCEPT IS FOR THE COMMUNITY? OKAY, BUDDY, I'LL GIVE YOU MY OBSERVATIONS ON THAT. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF ETJ PROPERTIES. I GUESS THE OVERRIDING PRINCIPLE I WISH WHAT WE HAD IN PLACE WAS A MASTER PLAN ALREADY FOR ETJS AND HAD ALREADY GONE OUT AND HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH EVERY ONE OF THE CURRENT OWNERS AND MAKE SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT. THAT'D BE A PERFECT WORLD. THE TRUTH IS WE DON'T HAVE THAT. WHAT WE HAVE IS THESE ETJ PROPERTIES OUT THERE THAT ON ANY GIVEN DAY THEY COULD BE BOUGHT UP BY ANYBODY THAT COMES IN WITH A CHECKBOOK BIG ENOUGH ' TO GET THEM PURCHASED. AND THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH.

AND THEY CAN OPT OUT OF OUR ETJS.

AND THAT'S THE NEXT POINT I WAS GOING TO GET TO. ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING HERE, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT I LIKE IN TERMS OF THAT SPECIFIC DESIGN, BUT WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE PROCESS HERE IS WE'VE GOT A LOCAL DEVELOPER. FOR EVERYBODY THAT DOESN'T KNOW, YOU SAID YOU LIVE IN PARKER? YOU LIVE ON GRAY LANE? 2 YEARS.

2 YEARS. ON THE GREEN, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PARK.

YOU LIVE ON GRAY LANE JUST OFF OF GREGORY, RIGHT? YES.

OFF OF PARKER. OKAY. YOU LIVE WITHIN WHAT? WALKING. WELL, THE THE SECOND PROJECT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT, YOU PROBABLY LIVE WITHIN HALF A MILE OF THAT, WALKING DISTANCE OF THAT.

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YEAH, YOU LIVE WITHIN A MILE AND A HALF AS THE CROW FLIES TO THIS. BUT YOU LIVE HERE, YOU CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, AND DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE DEALT WITH, WITH THE HUCKINES FOR EXAMPLE, IS YOU'VE COME TO US FIRST AND SAID, I'M INTERESTED IN BUYING THIS LAND, I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO PUT A DEVELOPMENT IN THAT IS AGREEABLE TO THE CITY AND AGREEABLE TO YOU.

YOU. THAT'S WHY. AND THIS IS THE REASON I CAME HERE TO YOU GUYS TO PRESENT THIS ONE. AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET INTO WHERE WE'VE GOT A WHACK-A-MOLE SITUATION. I, I WANT TO BE A LITTLE MORE STRATEGIC.

I, I CAN EXPLAIN ABOUT THIS, WHY I CAME TO YOU GUYS AND WHY IT'S A DIFFERENCE, WHY YOU CANNOT SAY, OH, ETJ, ALL YOU CAN TREAT SAME. THIS PARTICULAR LAND IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM MURPHY, AND MURPHY ALREADY EXERCISE, ALREADY SPEND ENOUGH MONEY TO GO INTO MURPHY.

BUT I THOUGHT ABOUT IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T WANT TO JUST SAY, OKAY, TAKE IT OUT FROM ETJS CCN AND JUST SCREW PARKER AND GO THERE. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT WAY, OKAY? I JUST WANT TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR AND VERY STRAIGHT.

THIS PARTICULAR ONLY PROPERTY HAVE IT, THE CITY OF MURPHY WILL ALLOW RIGHT NOW TO GIVE ME THE WATER AND SEWAGE. AND THAT'S THE REASON I CAME TO THIS IS THE REASON THIS PROPERTY IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN OTHER ETJ.

AND LET ME SAY THIS, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT A MAP AND MAYBE GO IN PERSON TO SEE THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. IT IS UNIQUE. ONE SIDE OF IT IS GOING TO HAVE SOUTH FORK'S RETENTION POND, THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IT'S GOT THAT GIANT CITYTURF BERM, WHICH MEANS IT'S SOMEWHAT ISOLATED FROM EVERYTHING ELSE. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN COMPARING TO LIKE THE OTHER ETJ HE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR CITY. YES, VERY UNIQUE, VERY, VERY UNIQUE, THAT LOCATION.

YEAH, THE FEEDBACK I'VE HAD FROM SOME RESIDENTS ON THIS PROPOSED CONCEPT IS THERE'S CONCERN OVER DENSITY. THEY THOUGHT THEY FEEL THAT THAT IS TOO DENSE FOR THE CITY OF PARKER. UNDERSTAND. AND THEY WONDER IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE IT LESS THAN 98 OR 96, WHATEVER THE LOTS. THE OTHER CONCERN, AND IT COMES FROM BROOKS WORM, IS DRAINAGE.

THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DRAINAGE DOESN'T THAT COME INTO BROOKS FARM AND CAUSE PROBLEMS. NOW, BILLY, MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

WELL, I WENT OVER AND I PERSONALLY INSPECTED THE DRAINAGE OVER THERE YESTERDAY. AND I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH GARY THIS MORNING ABOUT IT AND HE SENT ME SOME DATA I ASKED FOR. SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE DRAINAGE IN THAT PART OF TOWN IS THAT NO WATER FROM BROOKS FARM IS GOING TO FLOW ONTO THIS PROPERTY, AND NO WATER FROM THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO FLOW ONTO BROOKS FARM. THE WATER THE WATER ON THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO COME IN FROM SOUTH FORK ESTATES AND GO OUT ON CITY TURF OR DOWN SOMEWHERE BY MACK WATER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING.

SO MACK WATER I CAN ADDRESS THAT ONE ALSO.

BROOKS FARM COMING AND THIS ONE IS BORDER NORTH CORNER.

THE ELEVATION, WE ALREADY SHOOT THE ELEVATION, IS THERE. 6 FOOT IS DIFFERENT.

SO 6 FOOT IS HIGHER ON THE BROOK FARM AREAS THAN THIS POND OR WHATEVER THE WATER IS RUNNING AREA. SO WATER NEVER GOING TO TRAVEL OTHER WAY AROUND IT. AND WE LIKE TO KEEP THE POND IN THE MIDDLE AND WAYS NATURAL FLOW IS. MY ENGINEER CANNOT STAMP CANNOT DESIGN ANYTHING, WE CANNOT HAVE ANY ONE GALLON EXTRA WATER CAN GO TO SOMEONE ELSE PROPERTY.

WE WILL KNOW THAT. AND I'M DOING IT FOR A LONG TIME, THIS ONE. IT'S NOT THAT THIS IS FIRST RODEO. SO I UNDERSTAND THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, AND WE DEFINITELY CAN WORK WITH YOU GUYS ON THAT.

YEAH. SO TELL ME ABOUT THE SECOND ONE.

I WANT TO FINISH ON THIS ONE.

OH, OKAY.

MR. SHORT. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE MINIMUM OR AVERAGE SALE PRICE OF HOME THAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT? THAT AREA, WE HAD TWO BUILDERS, WE DISCUSSED WITH THEM. ONE OF THEM, GRAND HOMES, WHICH IS IN WHITESTONE, THEY ARE A BIG ONE.

I KNOW THEM VERY WELL. I TALKED TO THEM AND EVERYTHING. AND I TOLD THEM ABOUT THE LOT SIZE AND ALL THOSE THINGS, AND THEY LIKED THE IDEAS, WHAT I HAVE ALREADY PROPOSED AND EVERYTHING. THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE THE PRICE, BUT RIGHT NOW, ACROSS THE STREET IS AVERAGE $650,000+ HOUSE PRICES GOING ON OVER THERE. SO I WOULD SAY AROUND THAT, BUT THOSE LOTS ARE SMALLER LOTS, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE LIKE $8,500 TO $9,000 AROUND THOSE SIZE.

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UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE 8,500 SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE LOTS, UH, ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS THE STREET. YEAH. AND THEY HAVE A TOTAL OF MIX MATCH. THEY HAVE A 09,500 AND 8,500 SQUARE FOOTAGE.

SO WHEN I HAD A MEETING WITH THE CITY OF MURPHY, I TOLD THEM, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE TO GO A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, SO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT NICER AND A GOOD COMMUNITY, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY HAVE IT RIGHT NOW ON THE GABLES.

CROSS THE STREET. SO THE PRICE I WOULD SAY IS GOING TO BE $700,000 PLUS IS GOING TO BE THERE EASILY, EASILY.

AND I ASSUME YOU'RE NOT REALLY SO FAR AS TO CONSIDERING LIKE HOA GOVERNANCE AND DEVELOPER CONTROL ON ALL THE VARIOUS FACTORS THAT GO IN THAT OR DO YOU HAVE A SYSTEM FOR THAT ALREADY? WE HAVE TO HAVE HOA. HOA.

SO LIKE THIS CONTROL, THIS BIG COMMUNITY IS YES, WE CAN HAVE HOA. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE RULES REGULATION IS GOING TO BE THERE.

AND I'D LIKE TO ECHO WHAT I THINK A COUPLE OF OTHERS HAVE SAID, WHICH IS I TRULY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO US AHEAD OF TIME. YOU KNOW, I THINK AT LEAST THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO ME, YOU KNOW, ARE GENERALLY WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED DRAINAGE, DENSITY.

SIGHT LINES IS ANOTHER, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU BRING THIS AS KIND OF A ROUGH PLAN, I THINK A LOT OF IT IS A LITERAL PLAN. OH, YEAH, IT'S VERY YEAH, THIS IS JUST VERY INITIAL PLAN, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO BRING SOMETHING HERE TO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS THINKING ABOUT IT, MAYBE FEEDBACK, AND I CAN CORRECT ANYTHING IN THERE. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS ON THAT. OKAY.

MR. BARRON? CONCERNED THAT WELL, OKAY, SO I HAVEN'T MENTIONED LOT SIZE. YES, LOT SIZE HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP TO ME AS WELL, BUT WE'VE TALKED, WE'VE ALREADY BROUGHT THAT UP.

BUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN A CONCERN OF MINE AND HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP TO ME IS THAT THIS IS FLOWING ONTO MACK WATER, AND MACK WATER IS IN, IN MY OPINION, POOR CONDITION.

YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD? THE ROAD.

AND I NOTICED ON TONIGHT'S MURPHY'S COUNCIL AGENDA, THEY'RE APPROVING A CONTRACT WITH COLLIN COUNTY FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE, AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING.

THEY ONLY MENTIONED THAT OH WAIT, THIS ONLY APPLIES TO ONE ROAD, MACK WATER, AND THAT WE HAVE TO PAY 50% OF ANY ROAD COSTS THERE. SO, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU FEEL? I'M JUST THINKING THAT GIVEN THE CONDITION OF THAT ROAD, YOU KNOW, 96 LOTS, I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THAT'S GOING TO WORK OUT. AND ALSO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MARKETABLE IT IS FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVING TO DRIVE ON THAT ROAD TO GET THERE. SO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT? YES, SIR. SO WHEN WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE CITY CITY OF MURPHY, AND WE TALK ABOUT IT.

WE WENT A LITTLE BIT MORE FURTHER TO DISCUSS ABOUT THIS ROAD AND EVERYTHING.

CITY OF MURPHY SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY THE 50% OF THE COST OF THE ROAD, WHICH IS PORTION OF MY PROPERTY. IT'S ABOUT 640 LINEAR FOOT WIDE. I WILL IMPROVE IT, MATCH WITH EXISTING, WHATEVER THERE IS, STRIP IT OUT COMPLETELY TO ALL THE WAY TO BARE BONE AND MAKE A REALLY NICE ONE. AND THEN I BELIEVE FROM THE CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY TO SOUTH FORK NEW DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THE CITY HAVE AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO IMPROVE IT, RIGHT? OR YOU GUYS CAN KNOW, YOU GUYS. SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH, IT'S GOING TO COVER PART OF THE ROAD, IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, NICELY DONE. AGAIN, ON THE MCCROFTER AND MCCREADY CORNER, THERE IS ONE DEVELOPER RIGHT NOW THEY'RE TALKING THE CITY OF MURPHY AS WE SPEAK RIGHT NOW. WHERE AT? AT THE CORNER OF MCCREADY ROAD AND MCRUTER. MHM.

OKAY, ISN'T THAT IN EAST SIDE.

NOPE.

OH, EAST.

OH, THAT LITTLE LIKE TINY CORNER THERE.

YES, THEY ARE TALKING. SO IF THEY COMES, THE CITY OF MURPHY SAYS THEY WANT TO GO IN THE CITY OF MURPHY TOO. SO THEY SAY IF THEY COMES WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ENTIRE ROAD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, NICELY DONE ALL THE WAY TO MCCREADY. THAT'S THE PLAN.

THEY, THEY'RE THINKING THAT'S THE WAY THEY'RE THINKING.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS I DON'T KNOW, CITY OF MURPHY WAS TELLING ME THAT. YEAH, SO MAYBE THEY DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THEY THE WHOEVER MAY BE BUYING THE LAND, THEY HAVEN'T MAYBE NO IDEA, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE HAS TO BE ANY IDEA, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA. OKAY. THE THING IS THAT THERE IS A DEVELOPER, THEY'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW AND THEY'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THEM

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I'VE TALKED WITH MURPHY ABOUT WORKING WITH THEM ON SOME ROAD WORK ON THAT ROAD THAT I'VE GOT TO BRING TO YOU GUYS AT THE FUTURE DATE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET ON THEIR BUDGET THIS YEAR, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING WE NEED TO TRY TO WORK ON FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, BUT WE NEED TO WORK ON IT.

UH, BY THIS YEAR YOU MEAN 26, 27? OKAY, OKAY, OKAY.

SO I'LL KIND OF GIVE YOU MY SUMMARY, AND IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SUMMARIZE THIS DIFFERENTLY, THAT'S FINE. MINE'S NOT GOING TO BE THE PERFECT SUMMARY BY ANY MEANS, BUT HERE'S, HERE'S THE WAY I KIND OF LOOK AT THIS WHOLE THING.

IN THE PERFECT WORLD IN A PERFECT WORLD, IT'D BE IN CITY LIMITS, BUT IT'S NOT.

IN A PERFECT WORLD FOR ETJ PROPERTY, I WOULD WANT TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND SAY, SONNY, I WANT YOU TO BUILD 1-ACRE LOTS HERE AND PUT THEM ON SEPTIC, JUST LIKE THE MCCRARY MEADOWS THAT WE JUST DID. THAT IS ALMOST A PERFECT SITUATION FOR ETJ LAND THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED INTO RESIDENTIAL. 1 ACRE, THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT TO HAVE FOR SEPTIC. I'VE GONE OUT AND LOOKED AT THIS LAND AS WELL THOUGH, AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONCEPT THAT AND HOW WE THINK ABOUT THINGS FOR THE OVERALL CITY, BUT HOW WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERY INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY AS A STANDALONE. AND YOU HAVE TO ULTIMATELY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY.

WHEN I GO OUT AND LOOK AT I LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY AND I DRIVE THE ROAD IN THE CORRIDOR, WHICH IS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE.

THAT'S KIND OF EVEN I DON'T MEAN TO SHOOT MYSELF IN THE FOOT HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE AGREEABLE TO 1-ACRE LOTS.

BUT EVEN IF YOU WERE AGREEABLE TO 1-ACRE LOTS, THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE THE RIGHT LOCATION TO BUILD 1-ACRE LOTS AND $1.5 MILLION HOUSES, OR BECAUSE OF THE STREET, BOTH THE CONDITION OF THE STREET AND AND THE LOCATION OF THE LOT RELATIVE TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

NOW, THERE ARE GOING TO BE 2-ACRE LOTS WITH $2 MILLION HOUSES NOT FAR FROM IT BECAUSE THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE SOUTH FORK DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BORDER ON MCWHIRTER. BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BUILT OFF OF MCWHIRTER, IT'S JUST CONNECTING TO IT BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD EMERGENCY EXIT FOR IT, WHICH IS IMPORTANT. EMERGENCY EXITS ARE IMPORTANT FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DO.

SO ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH ANOTHER PIECE OF LAND HERE. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T REALLY EXPECT YOU TO SAY, OKAY, LET'S DO 1-ACRE LOTS THERE.

IT'S NOT THE RIGHT LOCATION AND THE ECONOMICS PROBABLY DON'T WORK. WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE'RE DOING 2-ACRE LOTS FOR THERE ARE ONLY 12 LOTS.

SO IT'S NOT EVEN HOW BIG THE LAND IS, IT'S THE LOCATION OF THE LAND. SO I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO TRY TO WORK WITH YOU ON SOMETHING. I WOULD RATHER THIS LAND NOT BE TAKEN OUT OF PARKER'S ETJ AND GO TO MURPHY, WHICH IS CLEARLY AN OPTION THAT YOU HAVE. AND IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I APPRECIATE SO MUCH THAT YOU CAME TO US INSTEAD OF JUST DOING THAT, BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE JUST GONE STRAIGHT AHEAD AND DONE THAT AND WORKED WITH MURPHY, AND WE'D HAVE BEEN OUT IN THE COLD, AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD WE WOULD HAVE HAD ZERO INPUT TO WHAT YOU PUT THERE. I WANT TO TRY TO NEGOTIATE WITH YOU AND GET BIGGER LOTS THAN WHAT YOU'VE GOT HERE. YOU'RE PROPOSING 10,000 SQUARE FOOT. I UNDERSTAND YOU STARTING THERE.

I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE LOTS ON CAD TODAY THAT ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS, AND THE ONES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET IN THE RANCH I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED ARE ACTUALLY 11,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS THERE. I THINK THEY'RE THEY'RE MOST OF THEM ARE 92 BY 120.

SO IF YOU MEASURE IT, THOSE ALONG WITH THE ROADS ONLY, THOSE ARE THE LOTS, BIGGER LOTS. YEAH. AND IF YOU GO INSIDE ONE, THOUGH, THAT'S YEAH, YEAH, THERE ARE SMALLER ONES INSIDE THERE.

SAME THING I WANT TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE A WAY BIGGER LOTS ON THE PROPERTY OF AT THE BUTT JOINT TO BROOKS FARM AREA. SO AVERAGE IT OUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN COME UP WITH BETTER.

YEAH, BUT AND I KNOW MURPHY'S GOT 9,000 SQUARE FOOT ZONING.

THEY'VE GOT 11,000 SQUARE FOOT ZONING. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT, YES, HOUSES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT ARE ON LOTS THAT ARE SLIGHTLY OVER 11,000 SQUARE FEET. 90 I BELIEVE IT'S 92 BY 120 IF MY MEMORY IS CORRECT. I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE OVER 11,000. SO I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT SOMETHING BIGGER THAN 10.

I'D LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT SOMETHING A LITTLE BIGGER THAN 11. I MEAN, IF I HAD MY THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. NOBODY ELSE HAS TO BUY INTO THIS AT ALL, BUT I'M, I'M NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK MY MIND ANYMORE.

WAY.

IN A PERFECT WORLD, ON A PIECE OF LAND LIKE THIS THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE WORTH 1 ACRE, I'D SAY I'D LOVE YOU TO DO 1/3 OF AN ACRE LOTS HERE. 1/3 OF AN ACRE IS A NUMBER THAT I WOULD HAVE BEEN SATISFIED WITH HUFFINES ALL ALONG.

SO I'D LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT EVERYTHING. OKAY, SEE, WE CAN ANALYZE EVERYTHING.

WELL, YOU CAN DO THAT AND MAKE IT WORK, OR SOMETHING CLOSE TO THAT AND MAKE IT WORK. THEN THE IDEAL SOLUTION WOULD BE WE AGREE ON THE SIZE OF THE PLOTS. WE GET MURPHY

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I CAN ADDRESS THAT, WHAT YOU JUST TOLD ME, RIGHT NOW. BEFORE I MADE EVEN 10,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOT, YOU KNOW, PLAN, CONCEPT PLAN, I TOOK 2 DEVELOPERS AT THE PROPERTY AND I TOLD THEM, GIVE ME THE FEEDBACK. WHAT TYPE OF LOT I SHOULD DO HERE.

BECAUSE I KNOW ULTIMATELY IT'S MY CUSTOMERS. WHAT CUSTOMER WANT? AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DESIGN. SO THEY STRICTLY TOLD ME THAT 1-ACRE SITE, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT HERE, NO WAY IT'S GOING TO WORK. I TOLD THEM, YOU KNOW, HOW ABOUT A HALF-ACRE? IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. REASON IS THE WAY THEY LOCATED RIGHT THERE.

ALL ACROSS THE STREET, ALL THE HOUSES, VERY SMALL HOME. SO THEY CANNOT GET THE VALUE.

WHEN THEY BUILD HOME, THEY CANNOT GET THAT VALUES OUT THERE. THEY TOLD ME THAT, SORRY, DO THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, IT'S GOING TO BEST VALUE CAN COME OUT WITH YOU AND ME BOTH CAN WIN ON THIS ONE. SO, AND THAT'S THE REASON I CAME UP WITH THIS, STARTING WITH IT.

BUT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO GO BACK TO THEM ONE MORE TIME AND GET SOMETHING BIGGER THAN 10,000.

DEFINITELY, I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT, EVERYTHING.

AND, AND THEN THE LAST THING WE GOT TO DEAL WITH IS I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THE ROAD BECAUSE THIS IS A ROAD THAT IT'S NOT QUITE AS BAD AS LEWIS LANE, BUT IT'S PARTIALLY OWNED BY MURPHY, PARTIALLY OWNED BY PARKER, PARTIALLY OWNED BY THE COUNTY. HOPEFULLY NOT AS MUCH OF A JIGSAW PUZZLE.

3 DIFFERENT ONES.

EVERY BIT OF IT. OKAY, WELL, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE TOO.

SONNY, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH LEWIS LANE? I KNOW. SO LEWIS LANE WAS A FARM ROAD, AND IT WASN'T I DON'T EVEN THINK I THINK IT WAS PAVED PRIOR TO, SAY, 2007, SOMEWHERE IN THERE. AND IT WAS INITIALLY PAVED FOR BASICALLY SMALL TRAFFIC.

KING'S CROSSING PHASES 1, 2, AND 3 WERE BUILT.

BY THE TIME THEY WERE, THE POT LIKE, THERE WERE MORE POTHOLES THAN ROAD. THERE'S WATER PROBLEMS. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS. AND SO YOU HAD SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF, I DON'T KNOW, 400 NEW PARKER HOUSEHOLDS PUT IN THAT HAD TO USE LEWIS LANE. AND IT BECAME A PROBLEM THAT WAS DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE BECAUSE OF THE CITIES, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF LUCAS OWNED PART OF IT, WE OWNED PART OF IT, WE WEREN'T ENTIRELY SURE WHO OWNED WHAT PART. SO BUDDY BRINGS UP AN EXCELLENT POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU BOTH FOR THE SALE VALUE OF YOUR HOMES AND FOR, I DON'T KNOW, FRUSTRATION OF THE RESIDENTS IS SOMETHING THAT LIKE THE OWNERSHIP AND THE PLAN AT LEAST YOU WANT TO GET THAT HASHED OUT PRIOR TO TO BUILD.

DEFINITELY, WE CAN LOOK IT INTO. I JUST RECENTLY THE LOOSE LAND HAS BEEN PAVED, RIGHT? YES. AGAIN, AND I SAW THAT ALREADY WHEN I WENT THERE.

YEAH, I THINK THE PARKER WAS PAVING THE ENTIRE ROAD ONE ALL THE WAY TO LUCAS BOUNDARY.

THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, I SAW THAT UP.

IT'S NOW LUCAS'S BOUNDARY ANYWAY IN TERMS OF THE ROAD.

SO, COUNTY. YEAH, AND THEN FOR THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO PARTNER WITH YOU TO HELP THAT BECOME, I GUESS, EASIER/BETTER, BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT IS ANOTHER DIFFICULT-TO-SOLVE, NON-ENDING PROBLEM FOR TRANSPORTATION.

UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND MY INTENTION IS RIGHT HERE TO COME AND TO DO THE RIGHT THINGS WITH THE CITIES, YOU KNOW. SO I WILL WORK WITH YOU GUYS ON THAT.

LAST COMMENT FOR THE RECORD, I MAKE THIS NEARLY EVERY TIME WE DEAL WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU HAVE NO INTENTION OF TRYING TO FORM MUD, MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT, RIGHT? I DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

OR PID, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE DISTRICT. YOU'RE NOT DEPENDING ON ANYBODY ELSE OTHER THAN YOURSELF TO BUY THIS LAND AND DEVELOP IT AND MAKE A PROFIT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

YOU DON'T NEED ALL THOSE OTHER THIS IS MY OWN MONEY.

SUBDIVISION TO THE STATE OF TEXAS TO BE A PROFITABLE DEVELOPER, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU ON THAT. YEAH, I'M READY TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE. EVERY HOUR. I APPRECIATE IT VERY, VERY MUCH.

NO PROBLEM. NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR OTHER PLAN, THE, UM, WELL, THIS IS VERY THE COMMERCIAL

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SO THIS IS VERY UNIQUE LAND.

AGAIN, EACH LAND IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT WAY THEY DIRECT.

THIS IS THE 50-ACRE LAND PARKER ROAD AND MURPHY ROAD, OR YOU CAN CALL HOG ROAD, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CORNER, WHICH IS FIRECRACKER STAND OVER THERE.

THAT IS, FIRECRACKER STAND IS THERE RIGHT NOW. IT'S A 50-ACRE LAND. WE LIKE TO DO THE COMMERCIAL IN THE FRONT, AND WE ARE FLEXIBLE ON THE BACK ONE, THE BACK SIDE OF THE LAND. WE CAN DO I, AGAIN, I SPEAK WITH SOME DEVELOPER AGAIN, FOR BUILDERS I MEAN, AND THEY SAY, "YEAH, WE CAN DO THE HOME, BUT YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU PUT THE HOME OVER THERE RIGHT NEXT TO THE COMMERCIAL. SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T GO GOOD. YOU GOT TO HAVE ENOUGH BUFFER TO MAKE IT WORK," YOU KNOW. SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO FIGURE IT OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN THE BACK. I MADE IT TWO DIFFERENT CONCEPTS ACTUALLY IN THERE. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE IT WITH WHAT THEY CALL GARAGES OF AMERICA. I THINK THAT'S THE ONE YOU GUYS HAVE IT. I HAVE A SECOND ONE ALSO, CONCEPT, IF YOU GUYS SOMEBODY WANT TO SEE IT. THAT'S IT. I DID IT, THE ALL THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL ON THE TOP.

BEFORE WE GO FURTHER, CAN WE TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS PROPERTY SO, SO, SO THIS WOULD REPLACE THAT FIREWORK, THE SMALL FIREWORKS. THAT'S CORRECT. PLACE. OKAY, ON THE NORTH END, DOES IT GO ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE THAT TRUCK PARKING LOT IS? ALL THE WAY, BUT YOU WANT IT ALMOST THERE IS A ONE PRIVATE ROAD IN THE BACKSIDE, RIGHT? IT'S RIGHT THERE.

OKAY, SO IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THAT PRIVATE ROAD ON THE BACK SIDE.

OKAY, IT'S QUITE A BIG DIP.

I KNOW YOU SEE IT RIGHT HERE, SHORTER. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S WHY I'M A LITTLE THAT THREW ME OFF A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE DIMENSION.

SO DOES, DOES THE FIREWORK STAND OWN THE LAND BEHIND THEM ALL THE WAY TO THE, TO THAT ROAD, OR DO YOU KNOW? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BIG ONE? YEAH.

OKAY, ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE WHEN YOU'RE FACING OKAY, THEY OWN AROUND 5 ACRES, I BELIEVE.

OKAY, SO I TRIED TO I TRIED TO BUY. I TOLD THEM, YOU KNOW, LET ME BUY THIS ONE, REDESIGN IT COMPLETELY, MAKE IT A SHOPPING CENTER OR SOMETHING.

I CAN CHANGE OVER THERE. THEY DON'T WANT TO SELL IT RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, SO I JUST WANT TO POINT THIS OUT TO THE PEOPLE, THE CITIZENS LOOKING AT THIS.

THIS DOES NOT DIRECTLY, UH, IS DIRECT NOT DIRECTLY NEXT TO ANY OF OUR RESIDENTS CURRENTLY.

NO, THE, THE CLOSEST RESIDENTS WILL BE THOSE IN THE NEW SOUTH FORK DEVELOPMENT ACROSS PARKER ROAD.

UM, THIS IS BY THE FIREWORKS STAND ON THE OTHER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PARKER.

AND ALSO THIS LAND IS A IT'S NOT IN THE CITY LIMIT.

IT'S IN ATJ.

ISN'T PART OF IT IN THE CITY LIMITS? UH, FRONT, I BELIEVE, 30-FOOT IN THE FRONT STRIP.

STRIP, 300-FOOT STRIP, RIGHT? BUT NOT 30, 300. 300, GARY? YES, 300-FOOT STRIPS IN THE FRONT.

WAIT A MINUTE, IS THAT WIDTH OR DEPTH? 300 FEET DEEP. YEAH. OKAY.

OH, IT'S NO, SO IT'S MORE THAN I THOUGHT.

SO THAT'S THE REASON YOU SEE THE FIRECRACKER STAND. THEY DID THE DEVELOPMENT BACK. THEY BASICALLY WENT 350 FOOT OR 400 FOOT BACK AND THEY JUST PUT THE ROAD, AND THE CITY CANNOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW.

THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO IN THE COUNTY.

SO YOU THINK THEY'RE FLEXIBLE ON CONCEPT? SO YES, MA'AM, UH, BETWEEN THE GARAGES OF GARAGES OF AMERICA AND RESIDENTIAL, WHAT ARE THEIR OTHER POTENTIAL OPTIONS? I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT. IF YOU I'M WILLING TO TAKE ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEAS, WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

I MEAN, I KIND OF LIKE THE GARAGES OF AMERICA, BUT IT KIND OF GOES BACK AND FORTH. WE HAVE 2+ ACRE LOTS, SO THERE'S PLENTY OF GARAGE SPACE, EXCEPT THAT FOR SOME REASON 2 OF US DON'T HAVE ENOUGH GARAGE SPACE ON THE 2 ACRES WE HAVE, SO 3, YEAH.

SO GARAGES OF AMERICA IS A CONCEPT, BASICALLY YOU PROBABLY RESEARCHED IT, MAYBE A BIT, I DON'T KNOW. SO THEY ARE IN FRISCO, THEY HAVE 2 LOCATIONS IN FRISCO, 2 IN PLANO, THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD LOCATION, SO MANY DIFFERENT PLACES. BUT LIKE I SAY, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT, JUST IDEAS TO SEE WHAT CAN FIT HERE. YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY CAN FIT, MAYBE NICE BIG GROCERY STORE CAN FIT

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THAT I CAN SAY THAT.

I UNDERSTAND. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS WE HAVE ONE COMMERCIAL ZONE TODAY. AND THAT COMMERCIAL ZONE WAS APPROVED BY P&Z TO HAVE A PARTICULAR SERIES OF BUSINESSES AND IT SPECIFICALLY FORBIDS GAS PUMPS, WHICH IS WHAT BRINGS THE QUESTION WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE OPERATING STRICTLY FROM PRECEDENT OF WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED ALREADY, THE GAS STATION WOULD BE THE FARTHEST THING FROM WHAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED, OR LIKE, WOULD BE THE MOST AGAINST IT, IF YOU WILL. AND SO WHILE I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT WOULD GENERATE A LOT OF TAX REVENUE, I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW MUCH DOES IT DOES YOUR COMMERCIAL MODEL DEPEND ON IT? YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD KIND OF DESCRIBE IT AS THE HIGHEST RISK PORTION OF WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED HERE IN TERMS OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ON THE REALM OF NOT HAVING ACCEPTANCE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? ANY EXAMPLE WHAT IS THE REASON YOU GUESSED IT'S NOT? OKAY. SO I'VE REACHED OUT TO MANY CITIZENS OVER THE LAST WEEK AND ASKED THEIR OPINIONS ON THIS DEVELOPMENT. I'LL GET TO SOME OF THE REST FEEDBACK LATER.

SURE. THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT IS THE GAS STATION.

OKAY, AND WHY? ONE, THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT IT INCREASING TRAFFIC.

THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT CRIME, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY DATA THAT BEARS THAT OUT, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT I'M HEARING.

NO, THAT'S FINE.

AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF LIGHTS, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHTTIME, THAT WAS THERE. SO THAT, FROM OUR CITIZENS ANYWAY THAT I'VE TALKED TO, THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT I GOT ON THIS, THIS CONCEPT PLAN.

SO WELL, I SUPPOSE TAKE THAT AS FEEDBACK. IT'S GOING TO BE THE HARDEST THING TO GET. YEAH. I DO WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT I LOVE THAT YOU HAVE THE SPECIFICITY FOR GARAGES OF AMERICA AND THEN IT'S LIKE FAST FOOD, FAST FOOD, YEAH, NONSPECIFIC. BUT ON THE FAST FOOD, AT LEAST IN THE VISUAL, IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT YOU HAVE LIKE A DRIVE-THROUGH LANE. SO WHEN YOU SAY FAST FOOD, ARE YOU REFERRING BROADLY TO FAST CASUAL OR QSR OR QSR. QSR SPECIFICALLY. SO THE INTENT WOULD BE TO HAVE DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOWS AND MORE OR LESS PROCESS A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

OKAY. LIKE STARBUCKS, YOU KNOW, SO MANY NEW CONCEPTS RIGHT NOW, THEY MUST HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH.

YOU KNOW, WITHOUT DRIVE-THROUGH, THEY WILL NOT COME. EVEN CHIPOTLE DOES.

THEY WILL NOT COME. EVEN CHIPOTLE NOW STARTED DOING THAT, SO EVEN CHIPOTLE.

THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT ONES, YOU KNOW.

THIS IS, LIKE I SAY, IS CONCEPT ONLY, SO EVERYTHING WE CANNOT FIT IN THERE JUST FOR THE CONCEPT.

AND IT'S ESSENTIAL IN TERMS OF MOST RESTAURANTS TO HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH LANE TO BOOST THEIR REVENUES.

YES.

SO ON THE MULTI-TENANT SHOPPING CENTER, COULD YOU I MEAN, IN TERMS OF CONCEPTUALLY WHAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, IS THAT JUST A STRIP MALL? IS IT AN INDOOR IT'S STRIP MALL LIKE IF YOU GO TO IF YOU GO DOWN THE STREET FROM MURPHY ROAD TO ALL THE WAY TO REINER AND MURPHY CORNER, YOU WILL SEE A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT SHOPPING CENTER OVER THERE. THAT'S MY SHOPPING CENTER. I BUILT THAT ONE. REINER AND MURPHY CORNER OVER THERE.

THE ITALIAN RESTAURANT AND I THINK AN INDIAN GROCERY STORE.

YES, THAT'S MY COMPLEX.

OKAY. OH, MUST BE GOOD.

OKAY, SO HERE'S KIND OF MY THOUGHTS ON THAT. I'VE TALKED TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE TOO. I AGREE ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS PEOPLE BRING UP, OR ONE OF THE FIRST ISSUES, IS THEY DON'T LIKE THE GAS STATION. WHEN I RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL, I SAID 2 YEARS AGO, 2 AND A HALF, A LITTLE OVER 2 AND A HALF YEARS AGO WHEN I STARTED RUNNING, I SAID ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD BE OPPOSED TO WOULD BE EVER BRINGING SOMETHING LIKE A RACETRACK OR A QUIKTRIP TO PARKER BECAUSE THEY'RE SO BIG. I THINK RACETRACKS AND QUIKTRIPS DO CREATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. THEY DRAW TRAFFIC BECAUSE THEY GENERALLY HAVE CHEAPER PRICES. THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AREA, THAN THE TYPICAL CORNER GAS STATION. I DON'T PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT A CORNER GAS STATION LIKE THIS IS GOING TO DRAW TRAFFIC. I THINK IT'S GOING TO ATTRACT GASOLINE SALES TO TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY PASSING BY. THAT'S GOOD. RATHER THAN

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I CAN ANSWER THAT. WE DON'T NEED THAT MANY. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT. YES, IT SEEMS LIKE SO YEAH, SO I'M GONNA GO AND GIVE YOU ALL OF MY INPUT, AND NOBODY HAS TO AGREE WITH ME AT ALL. I WOULD RATHER SEE I KNOW YOU DON'T. I WOULD RATHER SEE PROBABLY AS MUCH AS I LIKE THE GARAGES OF AMERICA MAYBE A FEW LESS OF THOSE AND A FEW OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE RESTAURANTS AND SHOPPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THIS IS JUST, IT'S JUST A WILD IDEA I'VE HAD.

IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO SOUTHLAKE, YEARS AGO WHEN SOUTHLAKE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL, THEY BUILT A SQUARE. THEY BUILT A TOWN SQUARE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A TOWN SQUARE IN SOUTHLAKE. PARKER DOESN'T HAVE A TOWN SQUARE. PARKER DOESN'T HAVE A MAIN STREET. PARKER WILL NEVER HAVE A MAIN STREET BECAUSE THE WAY WE'RE CONFIGURED. I COME FROM A SMALL COUNTRY TOWN. I LOVE PARKER BEING COUNTRY, BUT I COME FROM ONE THAT LITERALLY HAD A MAIN STREET, AND IT STILL LOOKS TODAY PRETTY MUCH LIKE IT DID IN, IN 1880S, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT THE STORES ARE AT LEAST AIR-CONDITIONED ON THE STOREFRONT NOW. TO FIT WITHIN PARKER AND THE CONCEPT THAT WE WANT TO KEEP THIS CITY KIND OF COUNTRY, IF YOU COULD DEVELOP ARCHITECTURALLY A DEVELOPMENT ON THIS CORNER THAT WAS KIND OF LIKE A TOWN SQUARE FOR PARKER IN OTHER WORDS, A TOWN SQUARE FOR A COUNTRY TOWN THAT STILL HAD MODERN BUSINESSES THAT PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO GO TO, A MIXTURE OF RESTAURANTS, SOME FAST FOOD, SOME CASUAL DINING, MAYBE MAYBE EVEN, BUT ARCHITECTURALLY FIT INTO THE COUNTRY LIFESTYLE THAT WE ALL SAY WE LIKE TO HAVE HERE.

AND THEN WHATEVER YOU NEED TO PUT IN THE BACK, GARAGES OF AMERICA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. AND ANNEX IT INTO THE CITY SO WE GET THE PROPERTY TAX OFF OF IT ONCE WE AGREE ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD. DEFINITELY. AND SALES TAX.

SALES TAX. SALES TAX IS THE KEY HERE.

SALES TAX. OKAY, MISS HALBERT.

UM, SO ACTUALLY I AGREE WITH MR. PILGRIM. SEE, IT HAPPENS.

UM, BUT I SO THE GAS STATION, YOU AREN'T GOING TO GET THE KWIK TRIP OR, YOU KNOW, THOSE. THEY WANT TO SELL LIQUOR AND THEY WANT TO SELL BEER AND WINE AND THEY WANT A TON OF PUMPS. AND SO THIS CONCEPT ISN'T GOING TO APPEAL TO THEM, SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. UM, AND THE THING IS, PEOPLE SAY THEY DON'T WANT GAS STATIONS, THEY DON'T WANT FAST FOOD. AND I'LL TELL YOU, YOU DRIVE PAST FAST FOOD AND GAS STATIONS AND THEY ARE BUSY. LIKE, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE I CAN'T THINK OF WHERE THE NEAREST GAS STATION ON PARKER IS. SO, UM, I, I DO THINK THAT AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY SAYS THEY DON'T WANT IT, IT WILL GET USED. UM, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT NICER DINING PLACE IF THAT WAS THE THING, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THOSE NICE CARS IN THE BACK. UM, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO WALK OVER, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT ACTUALLY IS A DRAW TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, LIKELY HAVE SOME OF THESE VEHICLES, BUT THAT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME, GET OUT, GO TO EAT.

RIGHT NOW, WHENEVER I GO MEET FRIENDS FOR LUNCH OR DINNER, IT'S NOT IN PARKER. SO I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SPEND MY TAX DOLLARS IN PARKER. SO I ACTUALLY AM I'M ACTUALLY DIGGING THE CONCEPT.

SO THE GAS STATION CAME WITH THE IDEA IS REGARDLESS, I BUILD IT OR NOT BUILD IT, YOUR TRAFFIC'S NOT GOING TO GET, YOU KNOW, RESOLVED OR ANYWHERE. THEY PUT THE OTHER ROADS, RIGHT, RIGHT, THE TRAFFIC IS GOING BACK AND FORTH REGARDLESS ANYWAY.

WHOEVER IS GOING TO NEED THE GAS, THEY'RE GOING TO JUST COME AND TAKE IT AND GO, RIGHT? THIS IS NOT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AREAS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR FOR THE CHEAPER, 10 CENTS CHEAPER, THEY'RE GOING TO GO AND FILL IT UP OVER THERE. I'M TARGETING NICE GAS STATION, WHICH IS A GOOD ONE. WE CAN

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BUT I ONCE TIME COMES, YES.

THIS IS THE CONCEPT I JUST WANT TO GET IDEAS.

AND I THINK DEFINITELY LEANING IN ON THE TOWN SQUARE IDEA, LIKE, THAT IS ACTUALLY THE THING WE DON'T HAVE THAT WOULD REALLY SET US APART.

YEAH, IT COULD BE THE CENTER OF ACTIVE LIFE IN PARKER OTHER THAN WHEN WE'RE AT HOME, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO CONGREGATE IN PARKER.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

THAT'S WHERE I SAY PARKER POINT, RIGHT THERE. SO THAT'S THE NAME WE PUT IT IN. YOU CAN ALWAYS COME OVER TO MY HOUSE. I'M RIDING IT.

YOU CAN ALWAYS COME OVER TO MY HOUSE.

AND EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, HERE, LIKE SHE SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO GO IN A NICE RESTAURANT, SPENDING MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE, KEEPING THE TAX REVENUE OTHER CITIES. MIGHT AS WELL, WHY NOT JUST KEEP IT IN OUR BACKYARD? AND GOOD PART IS NO ONE BACKYARD RIGHT THERE.

THIS IS PRIVATE, TOTALLY PRIVATE.

THE THING WE'RE PROBABLY WE AS A CITY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO STRUGGLE WITH A LITTLE BIT.

I DIDN'T KNOW THE 300 FEET OF IT WAS WITHIN THE CITY OF PARKER. SO THAT WHAT'S THE ZONING FOR THAT 300 FEET? DO YOU KNOW? I THINK THAT'S AO OVER THERE.

IT'S WHAT IS THAT? AG OPEN. AG OPEN. OKAY, SO IT'S NOT ZONED FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

IT'S NOT ALREADY ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW. SO YOU GOT 300 FEET THAT'S IN THE CITY OF PARKER, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT PIECE OF LAND ON THAT LOCATION IS NEVER GOING TO BE 2-ACRE HOUSES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE SOUTHPORT'S BUILDING THAT, AND THEY WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO NOT FIGHT US ON IT, AND THEY LET US TELL THEM PUT 2-ACRE HOUSES ON THAT LAND ACROSS THE STREET.

BUT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, YOU GOT A CHURCH TO THE EAST OF IT. 2551 IS GOING TO BE A VERY HEAVILY TRAVELED STREET OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. YOU KNOW, TXDOT'S IDEA IS TO TAKE 2551 FROM GEORGE BUSH TO ALLEN AS A PRIMARY THOROUGHFARE. SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON IT. SO THAT IS, THAT IS THE PRIME COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AREA IN THE CITY OF PARKER.

AND THIS IS THE REASON I WANT TO COME HERE AND WORK TOGETHER TO JUST GET THE TAX REVENUE TO THE CITY, YOU KNOW.

AND YOU PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE TAKEN THIS INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE THE CHURCH OVER HERE, BUT THE ALCOHOL, BEER, WINE, LIQUOR SALES.

JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.

UM, ACTUALLY, I RESEARCHED THAT TODAY A LITTLE BIT. UM, WE, ACCORDING TO THE, UH, YEAH, WE ARE DRY. UM, THEN I WAS WONDERING HOW SOUTH FORK, UM, SELLING. WELL, I FOUND OUT THAT IN OUR SPECIAL ACTIVITY ZONING, UH, THERE'S A PRIVATE CLUB EXEMPTION IN THERE. SO RIGHT NOW SOUTH FORK IS THE ONLY PLACE WITHIN OUR CITY THAT'S ALLOWED TO SELL ANY ALCOHOL. NOW, I DON'T KNOW TO A LOT AND THIS IS A QUESTION FOR CATHERINE, I THINK IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANTED TO ALLOW IT LIKE, UH, ON-PREMISES ALCOHOL, DO WE HAVE TO DO AN ELECTION? BECAUSE I KNOW MURPHY RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE BEGIN THE PETITION? I CAN ANSWER THAT BECAUSE I DID THAT ELECTION MANY TIMES.

SO MANY CITIES I DID IT. YES, THERE IS A IF YOU NEED TO DO THE ALCOHOL, HARD LIQUOR OR BEER AND WINE, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SELL IN THE CITY, THEY NEED TO HAVE ELECTIONS.

EVEN ON AN ON-PREMISES RESTAURANT? YES, SIR.

OKAY. THERE'S DIFFERENT ELECTIONS.

YEAH, IT'S JUST A VERY SIMPLE ELECTIONS. YOU HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO PUT IT IN AND EVERYBODY HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE ON THERE.

YEAH, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW THAT VOTE WOULD GO. NOW, I ALSO, WHEN I'VE BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE, THEY ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT LIQUOR STORES. SO THAT, THAT I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO FLY.

OKAY, I GOT DIFFERENT FEEDBACK.

OKAY, WELL, I HEARD THAT A LOT WHEN I TALKED TO PEOPLE, UM, ABOUT LIQUOR STORES IN PARTICULAR, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ANY I'M GUESSING THERE WOULDN'T BE A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO NEW RESTAURANTS SELLING.

I THINK THE MAYOR IS TALKING TO MORE FUN PEOPLE.

I WAS FEELING NO PAIN WHEN I WAS TALKING. THE PEOPLE I WAS TALKING TO, ONE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL KNEW THAT WE WERE CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF PARKER, GOING FROM A BASIC BASICALLY RESIDENTIAL CENTER CITY TO PUTTING IN COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. AND THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT. DID WE KNOW WHAT WE WERE DOING? SECONDLY, EVERYBODY WAS AGAINST THE GAS STATION, BUT WHAT THEY WANTED WAS A DRIVE-THROUGH BEER BARN OR LIQUOR STORE, OR, YOU KNOW,

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SO I DO WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO SAY WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE IS YOU'VE CREATED A WAY TO GENERATE COMMERCIAL REVENUE WHILE NOT SUBSTANTIALLY ALTERING TRAFFIC PATTERNS IN OR OUT OF THAT SPACE AND THEN THE ROADS THAT ARE AROUND IT. THE GARAGES OF AMERICA, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW GOOD OR BAD OF A BUSINESS IDEA IT IS. IT'S NOT A SPACE THAT I'M IN, BUT THE THING THAT I DO LIKE ABOUT IT FROM A MUNICIPAL POINT OF VIEW IS IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE THAT BUSY. IT'S GOING TO LIE VACANT, YOU KNOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF PEOPLE OCCUPANCY. AND IT GENERATES SALES TAX REVENUES WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE THERE.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF OUR CITY CAPACITY, THE, YOU KNOW, THE WATER, TRAFFIC, AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO JUST SERVE THIS WITH, THIS IS I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST IN ITS CONCEPT FORM, ABOUT AS GOOD AS YOU COULD HOPE FOR IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE.

SO I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO ALONG THOSE LINES, I'M NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON THE TOWN SQUARE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT MY THING AT ALL. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THAT YOU JUST DID.

I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF TAKING THE STORMWATER POND THAT YOU HAVE HERE AND YOU'LL PARDON ME THAT I FOUND IT IMMENSELY HUMOROUS THAT IT LIKE, THAT USED TO BE WHERE THE FIREWORKS STAND IS. THAT'S LIKE THE CRATER THAT'S LEFT OVER POTENTIALLY. BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF TURNING THAT AND PUTTING SHOPS AROUND IT AS OPPOSED TO LEAVING IT JUST AS KIND OF LIKE A GENERIC WALK EXPERIENCE.

AND I THINK YOU COULD DRIVE COMMERCIAL REVENUES THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM LOITERING AS WELL AS JUST THE ONES THAT YOU PARK ON THE EXTERIOR.

MR. BERRY.

OKAY, SO FIRST OF ALL, ABOUT THE TOWN HALL OR TOWN SQUARE CONCEPT, I JUST WANT US IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THAT ROUTE, I WANT US TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE BECAUSE I THINK FAIRVIEW ATTEMPTED THAT AND I THINK THEIR IMPLEMENTATION OF IT HAS NOT BEEN GOOD, THAT THE BUSINESSES BACK THERE HAVE FAILED A LOT. I THINK PART OF IT IS THAT IT'S NOT VERY VISIBLE TO PEOPLE. YES. THE WAY THEY DID IT. IT'S VERY INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE FAIRVIEW SIDE OF THAT SHOPPING CENTER AND THE ALLEN SIDE AND EXCLUDING THE WHOLE FOODS, THE ALLEN SITE IS MUCH MORE ACTIVE, AND I THINK IT'S GOT TO DO WITH THE LAYOUT. BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULDN'T WORK. WE JUST NEED TO THINK IT THROUGH CAREFULLY. SO LET ME RUN THROUGH THE OTHER FEEDBACK I GOT. SO I GOT FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE WHO SAID PARKER SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER HAVE COMMERCIAL. I HAD ON THE OTHER EXTREME, I HAD PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. I WANT THIS TO TO HAPPEN. OKAY, NOW, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WAS THE SPLIT? I WOULD SAY PROBABLY MAYBE 60% WERE IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS AND 40% WERE AGAINST. UM, SOME AND JUST KEEP IN MIND, THESE ARE JUST COMMENTS I GOT, OKAY? I'M NOT STATING MY PERSONAL OPINION HERE. UM, SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THE FAST THAT MUCH AND LIKE, CAN WE GET SOME SIT-DOWN RESTAURANTS? SOME OTHER PEOPLE SAID, IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN DESIGN IT TO LOOK MORE LIKE HAVE A COUNTRY FEEL INSTEAD OF A CONCRETE THING LIKE, YOU KNOW, MURPHY HAS DOWN THERE? YEAH, I DON'T LIKE THAT. I KNOW THAT.

YEAH, SO IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER, I THINK IT WOULD WOULD GO DOWN WITH OUR CITIZENS A LITTLE BETTER. SO AS I SAID, THERE SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT ABOUT THIS. NOW ONE OF THE POINTS I WANT TO MAKE AND GO ON THE RECORD ABOUT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I LIKE THIS IS ONE OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE CITY OF PARKER IS HOW RELIANT WE ARE ON PROPERTY TAX RIGHT NOW. ALL I HEAR OUT OF THE STATE IS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO CONTROL PROPERTY TAX MORE, WE WANT TO BRING THE PROPERTY TAX DOWN. I'M AFRAID THAT IF WE DON'T GET SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SALES TAX REVENUE COMING IN, IT MAY WE MAY BE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WHERE THE STATE PASSES SOMETHING AND WE CAN NO LONGER FUND ALL THE CITY OPERATIONS., AND WE MAY HAVE TO DO SOME CUTBACKS. SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE GOT TO KEEP IN MIND IN THIS PROCESS. AND I,

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AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON I WAS WAITING FOR THIS PROPERTY FOR 3 YEARS.

WE WAS GOING BACK AND FORTH FOR LAST 3 YEARS. WELL, AND I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE. YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE MY HOME ADDRESS IS 30 I KNOW WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS, SO IT'S RIGHT THERE. I MEAN, I WANT TO DO THE GOOD JOB OVER THERE, YOU KNOW. I'M GOING TO SEE IT EVERY DAY.

SEVERAL PEOPLE MENTIONED TO ME THAT THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME ACTIVITIES IN THIS AREA, THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, TENNIS COURTS, THINGS WHERE PEOPLE COULD GO AND GATHER AND THEN GO AND HAVE A COCA-COLA, CUP OF COFFEE, WHATEVER. DID YOU GET ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT SORT OF THING? NO, NOBODY, NOBODY COMMENTED ON THAT. I MEAN, I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY THAT IN GENERAL, UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW, FROM HIS POINT OF VIEW, HOW COMMERCIALIZATION OF THAT REALLY WORKS. I MEAN, I KNOW PLANO AND OTHER PLACES, THEY GOT INDOOR PICKLEBALL FACILITIES THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN RENT OUT OR WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW HOW PROFITABLE THOSE ARE, AND AGAIN, THEY'RE INDOORS, SO I DON'T THINK THEY REALLY FIT THAT CONCEPT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SO WELL.

HAVE YOU BEEN TO CHICKEN AND PICKLE? SO THAT'S ONE CONCEPT. IT'S A CHAIN IN TEXAS. THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PICKLEBALL AND I'M NOT SAYING PICKLEBALL IS THE ANSWER. NO, NO, NO.

IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. BUT CHICKEN AND PICKLE IS KIND OF AN INDOOR, PRIMARILY INDOOR GATHERING PLACE. IT FUNCTIONS AS A BAR AND A FRIED CHICKEN/CHICKEN WING ESTABLISHMENT. SO YOU HOST PARTIES, YOU GO TO EAT, YOU PLAY A LITTLE BIT OF PICKLEBALL. SO THERE ARE CONCEPTS THAT ARE BOTH COMMERCIAL AND SERVE WHAT THE MAYOR HAS SUGGESTED HERE. I THINK THERE'S OTHER SPORTING, SEMI-SPORTING CONCEPTS THAT MIGHT ALSO APPLY HERE, BUT IT WOULD IT CONTINUES TO KIND OF DOUBLE DOWN ON THE IDEA OF GATHER SPACES WITHIN YOUR AREA. I'M NOT I'VE BEEN TO A COFFEE SHOP WITH PICKLEBALL ATTACHED TO IT AND AS WELL AS BASKETBALL COURTS ATTACHED TO IT. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW COMMERCIALLY VIABLE THEY ARE THOUGH. BUT CHICKEN AND PICKLE SEEMS TO BE DOING QUITE WELL.

IT'S QUITE A BIG YOU KNOW THAT LOCATION. YEAH. YOU TALK ABOUT THE HIGHWAY, UH, AND WHEN YOU GO TO AIRPORT, I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT, RIGHT? CLOSE TO AIRPORT, I THINK.

AND ACTUALLY, IF YOU SPLIT THE, YOU KNOW, UH, GARAGES OF AMERICA AND YOU HAVE THE OTHER SPACE, THAT MIGHT OPEN UP SOME OF THAT. BUT I REALLY WANT TO ADDRESS THE, UM, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND THE FACT THAT I, I NEED THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION. WE ARE ALREADY FACING AN ETJ ISSUE WHERE WE MAY GET SOMETHING WE ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANT. AND IF WE DON'T WORK WITH YOU OR THE OTHER DEVELOPERS, THEN WE COULD GET THAT ANYWAY.

LIKE, THAT'S A VERY REAL THREAT.

SO WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THIS AS APPEALING AND MITIGATE THE CONCERNS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHILE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE CONTROL.

SO, YEAH, AND MR. BARRON BROUGHT UP ANOTHER POINT. WHEN WE HIT BUILD-OUT, AND WE'RE NOT THAT FAR FROM HITTING BUILD-OUT IN PARKER, WE WILL NO LONGER GET DEVELOPER FEES. WE WILL NO LONGER GET BUILDING FEES IN THE AMOUNTS THAT WE DO TODAY IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING TO GENERATE OTHER TYPES OF OF REVENUE, OUR PROPERTY TAX WILL GO FROM WHAT, GRANT? WELL, WE'RE AT 76% RIGHT NOW IN PROPERTY TAX.

OKAY, IF I TOOK OUT THE BUILDER'S FEE, WELL OKAY, AND YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WITHIN 2, 3 YEARS WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BE THERE. AND THE, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS THE ONE COMMENT I GET FROM CITIZENS CONSTANTLY, AND HAVE SINCE I'VE MOVED HERE, IS THERE'S NO PLACE IN PARKER FOR THE COMMUNITY TO CONGREGATE. I MOVED TO PARKER AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MEET MY NEIGHBORS. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO, YOU KNOW, GET TO KNOW PEOPLE OTHER THAN PARKER FEST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THEY'RE RIGHT, WE DON'T HAVE A GATHERING POINT.

SO THAT'S WHY IT IS A PARKER POINT. I SEE THE NAME. I PUT THE NAME ON THE BOTTOM, PARKER POINT. SO THAT'S THE POINT WE WANT TO MEET. I LIKE IT.

BUT ONLY GO BACK TO EMPHASIZE, WHAT I LIKE MOST OF ALL ABOUT THIS IS YOU COMING TO US WITH IT. AND WE SURE APPRECIATE IT. I THINK YOU ARE GENUINE. I THINK YOU ARE SINCERE. I HAVEN'T KNOWN YOU FOR YEARS,

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SIT DOWN, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT, LET'S AGREE ON SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.

AND THIS IS GOING TO END UP BEING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. AND WHAT I SEE NOW, I'D RATHER KEEP WORKING WITH YOU. YEAH, WITH A GOOD FEELING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO I GET A GOOD SENSE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT WORKS WITH YOU, RATHER THAN YOU WALK AWAY FROM THIS LAND, SOMEBODY ELSE BUY IT, AND THEN THE DALLAS DEVELOPER THAT DOESN'T CARE WHAT GOES ON THERE, THEY JUST WANT TO MAXIMIZE THEIR PROFITS AND DUMP SOMETHING ON US THAT EVERYBODY HATES. SO I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH US AND LISTENING TO THE INPUT THAT WE GIVE YOU.

AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT BEHIND THIS PROPERTY HOW THE PROPERTY LOOKS, ALL THE TRUCKS OVER THERE.

YEAH, YOU KNOW, ANY POSSIBILITY OF BUYING OUT THE TRUCKYARD, DUDE.

THEY I KNOW WHO OWNED THAT ONE.

I GOT A QUESTION.

IS OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT SET UP TO HANDLE THIS? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

DO YOU HAVE LIKE THE CONCEPT OF HOW THIS WOULD IMPLEMENT OR HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT POLICE STAFFING? BUT IN THESE BANDS, IT'S KIND OF LIKE DOING THAT ALSO FOR KIDS. ONCE WE GET TO 14, YOU REALLY GOT TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN SEE MUCH, I MEAN, THEIR DRY EYES AND ALL THAT.

AND FOR OUR SIZE 8, WE'RE PRETTY SHORT ON WE'RE PRETTY SMALL FOR THE SIZE 8, SO IT WOULD BE SOME ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE NEED TO WRAP UP THE NO PID, NO MUD, RIGHT? NO. THANK YOU. I DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY.

WELL, THANK YOU, SONNY. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU

[10. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2026-908 AUTHORIZING THE ABSENCE OF THE CITY OF PARKER, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, COUNCILMEMBER ROXANNE BOGDAN.]

OKAY, COUNCIL, NOW WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 9.

CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026-908 AUTHORIZING THE ABSENCE OF THE CITY OF PARKER, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS COUNCIL MEMBER ROXANNE BODEMAN. AS YOU ALL NOTICED THAT ROXANNE ISN'T HERE, AND WE ARE ASKING THAT THIS ABSENCE BE EXCUSED.

MR. SHORT. SO THIS IS A QUESTION FOR COUNSEL. DO WE CAN WE JUST BROADLY EXCUSE FOR A LENGTH OF TIME, YOU KNOW, OR TO GO UP TO 3 ABSENCES LIKE THIS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REVISIT THIS BEFORE, SAY, LIKE NEXT MAY? I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT RIGHT QUICK. I DON'T THINK THAT YOU CAN. I THINK IT'S SPECIFIC, BUT IT IS IT ONLY KICKS IN AT 3 ABSENCES.

SO THIS IS SOMEWHAT PROACTIVE.

RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE I KIND OF ANTICIPATE THAT WE'LL RUN INTO THIS AGAIN, BUT FAIR ENOUGH. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. I MOTION THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026-908 AUTHORIZING THE ABSENCE OF OF THE CITY OF PARKER, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, COUNCILMEMBER ROXANNE BOGDAN, AND WISH HER WELL ON HER VACATION.

SECOND.

OKAY, HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER SHARP AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER HALBERT TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026-908. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR ALL

[11. UPDATE(S)]

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, MOTION CARRIES 4-0. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO TO UPDATES. GARY, CAN YOU UPDATE US ON 2551? YES, I SPOKE WITH CONTRACTOR AND NOT MUCH OF A DIFFERENT UPDATE. THEY STARTED SHUTTING DOWN DOWN SOME OF THE CONNECTIONS INTO PARKER LAKES AND SOME OF THE OTHER CONNECTIONS TO 2551, AND THEY'VE ASSURED ME AND THE RESIDENTS THERE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THOSE.

RATHBONE IN PARTICULAR, BOTH SIDES ARE SHUT DOWN, WHICH THEY WERE ONLY SUPPOSED TO DO ONE SIDE AT A TIME, BUT SINCE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ANOTHER WAY OUT, THEY SHUT DOWN BOTH. THEY DIDN'T HURRY AND FIX THAT ONE. HE'S SAYING WITHIN A MONTH THAT SHOULD BE REAL.

HOW LONG TILL THEY REOPEN? WITHIN A MONTH, 30 DAYS. HOW DO PEOPLE GET TO THEIR HOMES

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OKAY, I DON'T HAVE THEY SHUT DOWN LIKE CARA AND ALICIA AND, UM, PARKER VILLAGE? NO, THEY'RE WORKING ON THE FURTHER DOWN.

OKAY, JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. OKAY, MR. PILGRIM, TCEQ.

UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY ANYTHING NEW GOING ON THERE EXCEPT I THINK I MISSPOKE LAST TIME WHEN I GAVE AN UPDATE AT COUNCIL AND I SAID THE MUD HEARING WAS THE 17TH THROUGH THE 19TH OF SEPTEMBER, I MISSPOKE. IT'S THE 15TH THROUGH THE 17TH, NOT 17TH THROUGH 19TH. UH, OF SEPTEMBER. OF SEPTEMBER.

YEP.

AND WE'RE STILL WAITING TO HEAR ON THE REHEARING REQUEST ON THE SEWER TREATMENT PLANT.

SURE. AND THE NEXT STEP ON THAT WOULD BE TO FILE THE APPEAL. APPEAL.

NOTHING ELSE. OKAY, OKAY.

MR. BARON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON DRONES? UH, MR. MANTON'S WORKING WITH STAFF ON COMMUNICATION TO THE RESIDENTS, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY DETAILS BEYOND THAT.

OKAY. UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE RESTORE THE GRASSLANDS.

OKAY, NO CHANGES THERE. WE DISCUSSED FACILITIES EARLIER. I DID WANT TO NOTICE ON THE MOTOR VEHICLE CRIME PREVENTION AUTHORITY GRANT FOR FLOOD CAMERAS, THE CITY OF PARKER HAS WITHDRAWN ITS APPLICATION FOR A GRANT. WE ARE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN PURSUING THAT GRANT. THE COMPANY THAT WAS MAKING THE OFFER DECIDED TO MAKE IT VERY MUCH MORE DETAILED. THEY ADDED A WHOLE BUNCH OF MORE RULES AND THINGS, AND WE JUST WEREN'T INTERESTED.

ALONG WITH THE FLASHBACK FROM ALL OF OUR CITIZENS THAT WERE NOT REALLY THRILLED WITH FLOC TO BEGIN WITH, WE JUST DECIDED IT WASN'T A GOOD FIT FOR THE CITY OF PARKER AND HAVE WITHDRAWN. SO JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT.

ON ZIP CODES, HAVE WE GOT ANYTHING? JUST THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME REALIGNMENT WITH THE WHICH BILL IT IS, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE SUBMITTED A THE MAYOR HAS SUBMITTED A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE MOST CURRENT VERSION OF THAT.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUR OWN ZIP CODE. OKAY, JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW, ON TRASH AND BULK WASTE, WE WENT OUT FOR BIDS. WE GOT 5 BIDS BACK IN. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF HAVING THE BID COMMITTEE REVIEW THOSE, AND ONCE DONE, WE WILL GET BACK WITH YOU WITH FURTHER INFORMATION, BUT JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THE PROCESS IS ONGOING AT THIS TIME. OKAY, ANY OTHER UPDATES? OKAY. OH YES, I SEE I ALREADY TOOK LOUIS LANE. LOUIS LANE IS FINALLY DONE.

GOT LOTS OF BUTTONS.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, ROAD HAS MAGIC BUTTONS.

SHOULD MAKE LOTS OF NOISE WHEN YOU DRIVE OVER THERE.

OKAY, FANTASTIC. OKAY, ARE

[EXECUTIVE SESSION]

THEN AT THIS TIME, WE WILL RECESS TO CLOSE EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED IN TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071, CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ON PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION OR A SETTLEMENT OFFER, OR 2, CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ON A MATTER IN WHICH THE DUTY OF THE ATTORNEY TO THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY UNDER THE TEXAS RULES OF DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT OF OF THE STATE BAR OF TEXAS CLEARLY CONFLICTS WITH THIS CHAPTER ON ANY OF THE ITEMS LISTED ELSEWHERE WITHIN THIS AGENDA. ONE, NOTICE OF CLAIM FROM HAROLD CRISWELL. TWO, PETITION 1 FOR DISANNEXATION OF RESTORE THE GRASSLANDS PROPERTY.

THREE, CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OF RTG PLAT FOR COLLIN COUNTY

[02:30:01]

[RECONVENE REGULAR MEETING. ]

IT IS 9:23PM . COUNCIL, IS THERE ANYTHING, ANY APPROPRIATE DELIBERATION AND/OR ACTION FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION SUBJECTS LISTED ABOVE? YES, MA'AM. MADAME MAYOR, BUT HOLD ON A SECOND. OKAY.

CAN YOU DO AN ELVIS IMPERSONATION WHILE WE'RE WAITING? I SAID, WOULD YOU DO AN ELVIS IMPERSONATION WHILE WE'RE WAITING? OH, SORRY, MADAM MAYOR, I NEEDED TO GET A COPY I COULD READ.

OKAY. UM, I MOVE TO GRANT THE MAYOR AUTHORITY TO TAKE ALL ACTIONS NECESSARY TO TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION, INCLUDING LITIGATION, TO OPPOSE THE COUNTY'S APPROVAL OF A PLAT TO RESTORE THE GRASSLANDS LLC CONSIDERED AT THEIR MEETING ON JUNE 21ST, 2026, AND AUTHORIZE THE THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ENGAGE COUNSEL IF NECESSARY IN THE OPPOSITION OF THE COUNTY'S ACTION.

I SECOND.

OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HALBERT AND A SECOND BY MR. BARRON. IS THERE ANY COMMENTS, DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 4-0.

COUNCIL, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, MA'AM. OKAY, HEARING NOTHING, THEN WE ARE ADJOURNED. IT IS 09:34 PM.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.