Jun 30, 2026 Special City Council

[CALL TO ORDER – Roll Call and Determination of a Quorum]

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I HEREBY CALL THE CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER.

IT IS JUNE 30TH, 2026 AT 6 P.M.. THIS IS A SPECIAL MEETING SITTING AS THE FACILITIES MASTER PLANNING COMMITTEE. AT THIS TIME.

I WILL ASK RICHARD IF HE WILL LEAD US IN THE AMERICAN PLEDGE.

AND, CINDY, IF YOU WOULD LEAD US IN THE TEXAS PLEDGE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE.

TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

OKAY, THANK YOU. NEXT, I HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

TERRY LYNCH, 5809 MIDDLETON DRIVE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I APPRECIATE THE DECISION TO BEGIN THE CITY'S FACILITY MASTER PLANNING PROCESS WITH A WORKSHOP TO REVIEW THE EXISTING INFORMATION, DISCUSS THE CITY FACILITY'S NEEDS, AND CONSIDER THE PATH FORWARD BEFORE MOVING FORWARD TOWARD SPECIFIC PROPOSALS.

I ALSO APPRECIATE THAT RESIDENTS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS EARLY STAGE, BEFORE SPECIFIC PROPOSALS BEGIN TO TAKE SHAPE.

GOOD PLANNING LEARNS FROM THE PAST WHILE PREPARING FOR THE FUTURE.

PARKER VOTERS CONSIDERED THE CITY FACILITIES PROPOSALS IN 2020 AND 2023, AND NEITHER WAS APPROVED.

WHILE THERE WERE MANY FACTORS, TWO THEMES EMERGED THAT I HOPE WILL HELP GUIDE THIS EFFORT.

FIRST, RESIDENTS WANTED A MORE COMPLETE PICTURE OF THE CITY'S PRIORITIES.

MANY QUESTION HOW NEW FACILITIES FIT WITH THE, WITHIN THE CITY'S OVERALL INFRASTRUCTURE PRIORITIES, PARTICULARLY GIVEN CONCERNS ABOUT ROAD CONDITIONS AND THE COST OF ADDRESSING BOTH.

SINCE THEN, THE CITY HAS MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS BY CREATING A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND BEGINNING A MORE STRUCTURED APPROACH TO INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING. AS THE UPDATED PAVEMENT CONDITION SURVEY IS COMPLETED, I ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO UPDATE THE ROAD SECTION OF THE CIP SO RESIDENTS CAN CLEARLY UNDERSTAND OUR REMAINING ROAD NEEDS, THE PROJECTED COST AND HOW THOSE INVESTMENTS FIT ALONGSIDE THE FUTURE FACILITIES PROJECTS. LOOKING AT THESE NEEDS TOGETHER CAN HELP BUILD CONFIDENCE IN THE CITY'S PRIORITIES AND FUNDING DECISIONS.

SECOND, RESIDENTS WANTED CONFIDENCE THAT ANY NEW FACILITIES WOULD BE THOUGHTFULLY PLANNED AND RESPONSIBLY DESIGNED.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RETHINK HOW WE USE SPACE, REDUCE THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT WHEREVER PRACTICAL AND DESIGN FACILITIES THAT ARE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO MEET PARKER'S NEEDS FOR DECADES TO COME.

EVERY SQUARE FOOT THAT WE AVOID BUILDING REDUCES BOTH CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND LONG TERM OPERATING COSTS.

SUCCESS SHOULD BE MEASURED BY FACILITIES THAT SERVE THE COMMUNITY WELL AND REMAIN AFFORDABLE OVER TIME.

AS YOU BEGIN THIS PLANNING EFFORT, I ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO FOLLOW A SIMPLE FRAMEWORK.

DEFINE THE NEEDS, FIRST. EVALUATE THE OPTIONS, SECOND.

UNDERSTAND THE COST, THIRD. THEN DECIDE HOW TO FUND THE SOLUTION.

FOLLOWING THAT PROCESS WILL BUILD PUBLIC TRUST AND HELP ENSURE PARKER DELIVERS THE RIGHT FACILITIES THE RIGHT WAY AT A PRICE THE COMMUNITY CAN AFFORD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS CARDS.

OKAY. THEN AT THIS TIME, WE WILL MOVE TO THE WORKSHOP ON FACILITIES AND COUNCIL.

[1. CITY FACILITIES ]

NUMBER ONE IS ESTABLISH THAT COUNCIL HAS THE DOCUMENTS.

DID EACH OF YOU RECEIVE EITHER THE DOCUMENTS OR A LINK TO THE DOCUMENTS FROM THE PAST? YES. YES. YES. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE DOCUMENTS, OR ARE THERE ANY OF THE

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OKAY. MAYBE 2020. OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU MIGHT FEEL ABOUT THAT.

SO WHAT DOCUMENTS DO Y'ALL FEEL MAY NEED TO BE UPDATED OR ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS THAT WE NEED? MR. BARRON. I REMEMBER THIS BEING A DISCUSSION BACK IN THE 2020 TIME FRAME ABOUT WHAT OUR ACTUAL BUILD OUT POPULATION IS.

AND THERE WERE A LOT OF DIFFERENT NUMBERS THROWN AROUND.

SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ESTABLISH WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.

OKAY. ACCORDING TO NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, IT IS 9 TO 10,000 FOLKS.

ACCORDING TO COLLIN COUNTY, IT'S 12,000 FOLKS.

I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE THAT THE DOCUMENT THAT I SAW ENDED WITH IT BEING 5,900.

WOW. I DON'T KNOW. THAT WAS THAT THAT 9,000 NUMBER WAS DEFINITELY IN THOSE DOCUMENTS.

OKAY. I MIGHT HAVE MISSED. YEAH. THERE WAS A LOT OF DOCUMENTS THAT I FOUND TO BE NOT USEFUL, SO I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT. A LOT OF THEM ARE OLD.

I MEAN, THIS STARTED BACK IN 2017, MAYBE 16 WHENEVER.

BUT WE CAN GET UPDATED POPULATION PROJECTIONS.

WE ARE CURRENTLY AT APPROXIMATELY 6,500 RESIDENTS.

WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO AT LEAST GO LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE ASSUMPTIONS THE COG VERSUS THE COUNTY USED AND DECIDE WHAT THE CORRECT NUMBER IS. AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT IS HOW MUCH OF THE ETJ DO WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ANNEX? OF COURSE. OKAY, ON THE POPULATION NUMBERS DENSITY, IS THERE A PREFERRED PLACE TO GET THOSE NUMBERS? I MEAN, THE NUMBERS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE DEPENDING ON WHOSE NUMBERS YOU WANT TO ACCEPT. IS DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE OVER COLLIN COUNTY OR NORTH TEXAS OR.

NO, THAT'S WHY I SAID I WANT TO SEE WHAT ASSUMPTIONS THEY USED.

AND WE DECIDE WHAT'S THE BEST OPTION THERE. OKAY, SO WE'LL GET ALL WE CAN.

OKAY, MISS BOGDAN. THE LAST NEEDS ASSESSMENT WE HAVE WAS SIX YEARS AGO.

SINCE THEN, WE HAVE A NEW CITY ADMINISTRATOR WHO PROBABLY HAS SOME VERY DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT WHERE THIS CITY IS GOING.

AS FAR AS HIS EVALUATION OF STAFF, OUR NEEDS AS FAR AS STAFF GOES.

SO I THINK IT'S WARRANTED A DISCUSSION ON IS IT TIME TO REPEAT THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT AGAIN? GRANT, DO YOU HAVE A BALLPARK OF WHAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COSTS.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I KNOW THE LAST ONE WAS DONE PRIOR TO WHEREVER THE PREVIOUS ARCHITECT WAS, THE PREVIOUS ARCHITECT, AND THEN THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT. IT DEPENDS ON WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE, THE ONE THAT WAS DONE IN 2005 WAS DONE UNDER MAYOR CORDINA.

AND OR ACTUALLY HE WAS ON CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT COMPANY. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT COMPANY DID THAT.

THE LAST ONE THAT. TERRY, DO YOU REMEMBER THE NAME OF THAT ARCHITECT OR CINDY THAT WE STARTED OUT WITH? MAYOR, I'VE PULLED UP THE 2020 NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT WAS PREPARED BY SPURGEON ASSOCIATES.

OKAY. THAT'S WHO I THOUGHT THE LAST ONE WAS DONE BY.

WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO CONTACT THEM AGAIN, MAYBE TALK ABOUT MAYBE SOME UPDATED STAFFING THAT WE HAVE AND MAYBE JUST TWEAK IT INSTEAD OF STARTING OVER FROM SCRATCH? I THINK LIKE YOU SAID, SOME OF THE NEEDS ASSESSMENTS HAVE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT AS FAR AS SQUARE FOOTAGE GOES.

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KENT HAS A PROPOSAL THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL REGARDING MR. SPURGEON. AND THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO. NO, I'LL SAVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE DISCUSSION, IF THAT'S OKAY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY REALISTIC.

MR. SHARPE. WITH STAFFING ASSUMPTIONS WERE BUILT INTO THIS ESTIMATE OR SIZING.

THAT I DO NOT KNOW, BUT I THINK. IT'S PROBABLY WORTHWHILE.

AND MAYBE THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN WHAT YOU WERE SHOOTING AT HERE. TO CUT TO THE CHASE, MY RECOMMENDATION LATER THIS EVENING, IN CONCLUSION, WOULD BE TO HIRE MR. SPURGEON OR ANOTHER DESIGN ARCHITECT ON AN HOURLY BASIS SO THAT THEY COULD HELP US THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHEN ANY, WITH ANY OF THE NEEDS THAT WE DO HAVE. FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE'RE WANTING TO TWEAK OR REVISE THIS SPECIFIC NEEDS ASSESSMENT, THEN MAYBE WE CAN ENGAGE HIM TO DO THAT. THIS ONE'S BUILT ON A DESIGN THAT IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE SUPER RELEVANT ANYMORE.

THERE WAS AN ANNEX BUILDING BUILT INTO THIS, SO I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE TO PROBABLY READDRESS.

YEAH, WE WOULD ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT WHETHER HE WAS GUIDED BY A PROPOSED STAFF POSITIONS AND THAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT NOW THAN IT WAS BACK THEN, SO.

WHAT WAS THE YEAR ON THIS ONE? SO THERE'S NOT A DATE ON THIS ONE, BUT ACCORDING TO OUR RECORDS AND A I GUESS DRAFT THAT, THAT DOCUMENT THAT I SENT OUT TO YOU WHERE EVERYTHING WAS KIND OF BROKEN DOWN.

WHAT WE'RE SEEING WAS 2020 ON THAT ONE. OKAY.

IT WAS LABELED AS SUCH. I THOUGHT IT WAS 2021, BUT YOU KNOW, SAME BALLPARK.

I'M SURE SOMEONE KNOWS THIS AT LEAST RUDIMENTARILY.

HOW MUCH CHANGE IN THE OVERALL HEADCOUNT HAVE WE CHANGED SINCE 2026? I'M SORRY. HOW'S THE HEADCOUNT FOR THE CITY CHANGED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS? IS THAT, HAVE WE INCREASED BY 20%, 10%? THE OVERALL POPULATION? NO, THE STAFFING. STAFFING. OH OH, IT'S INCREASED BY.

SINCE 2020. I GOTTA STOP AND THINK WHEN. PATTI WHEN DID PAT COME TO WORK? 2021. THAT MIGHT BE YOU GRANT. GRANT THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

YEAH, I THINK I THINK 2021. YEAH. OKAY. SO I WOULD, I WOULD GUESS WE'VE GOT 5 TO 6 ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES.

I'M, BUT I'M, I'D HAVE TO LITERALLY GO BACK AND LOOK.

WELL, I THINK MR. MARTIN HAS BEEN EVALUATING STAFF SITUATION TOO.

AND I THINK THERE'S POSSIBILITIES FOR SOME ADDITIONAL STAFF BEING ADDED ON TOP OF WHAT HAS JUST BEEN ADDED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.

SO THERE IS ADDITIONAL SPACES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FROM THE LAST GO AROUND.

SO I THINK IT'S I'M IN FAVOR OF GOING BACK FOR THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND UPDATING IT.

YEAH. OKAY. MR. BARRON. YOU MENTIONED THE ANNEX BUILDING. MAYOR, AM I CORRECT THE ANNEX BUILDING WAS, WE WERE THINKING THAT AS AN ADVANCE.

IT WAS THOUGHT OF AS AN ADVANCED BUILDING BACK THEN? YEAH, IT WAS AN ADVANCED BUILDING IN TERMS OF IT WOULD BE ABLE TO HOST RECEPTIONS AND THAT KIND OF THING.

BUT IT WAS ALSO GOING TO BE THE VOTING CENTER.

IT WAS ALSO GOING TO HAVE MEETING ROOMS IN IT.

IT WAS GOING TO BE WHERE SOME OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MIGHT WANT TO MEET IF COUNCIL WAS USING COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT THE SAME TIME.

IT WAS A FLUX OF A FLEXIBLE BUILDING. YEAH. AND, IT GOT PORTRAYED IS THE PARTY BARN, WHICH I DON'T THINK WAS ACCURATE, BUT AT ANY RATE, IT WAS SUCCESSFUL. AND SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS THAT WE LOOKED AT FOR THE ANNEX BUILDING COULD BE DONE BY THIS BUILDING WITH SOME MINOR REMODELING, NOT EXPENSIVE REMODELING. DID YOU HAVE.

WELL, I THINK WHAT WE DO WITH THIS BUILDING, WHAT OUR VARIOUS OPTIONS ARE, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT,

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SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS.

OBVIOUSLY, WE PROJECTED STAFFING NUMBERS TO. I HAVE A QUESTION.

HOW HAS THE ABILITY TO HOUSE STAFF IMPACTED OUR DECISION MAKING ON BRINGING AN ADDITIONAL STAFF.

GREATLY, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT SOMEBODY, YOU DON'T HIRE THEM.

YOU'RE AS A COUNCIL, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ON THE NEXT AGENDA A PROPOSAL FOR DOING SOME REMODELING.

SO WE CAN BRING IN ONE OTHER STAFF MEMBER THAT IS AUTHORIZED THAT WE HAVEN'T HIRED FOR OVER A YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT THAT PERSON UNLESS WE PUT HER IN THE BATHROOM OR HIM IN THE BATHROOM.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE SPACE. THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.

AND THAT HAS AFFECTED OUR STAFF IN THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO WORK WITH MANY HATS ON AND WORK. SOME OF THEM COME IN ON WEEKENDS OR COME IN, YOU KNOW, IT'S BURNING OUR STAFF OUT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET THEIR ASSIGNED JOB DONE PLUS SOME ADDITIONAL DUTIES. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE WITH ROBIN.

ROBIN DOES THE UTILITY BILLING AND ALL AND HANDLES ALL OF THAT.

SHE ALSO HANDLES THE TRASH. SHE ALSO HANDLES THE WEBSITE.

THAT'S HARD TO KEEP UP WITH ALL OF THAT. AND, BUT WE DON'T HAVE.

IF WE WOULD HIRE A WEBMASTER FOR ONE OF A BETTER TERM RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT THAT PERSON, YOU KNOW. SO WE HAVE THAT COMMUNICATIONS COMMITTEE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, AND WE'RE STILL DOING OUR RESEARCH, BUT IT'S LOOKING TOWARDS THAT. WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOMEBODY TO HANDLE THE WEBSITE, THE COMMUNICATIONS, AND THAT IS GREATLY AFFECTING OUR RESIDENTS THAT THEY ARE NOT GETTING GOING TO GET THAT FULL COVERAGE FROM STAFF MEMBER AND COMMUNICATIONS IS IMPORTANT AND WE HAVE NOWHERE TO PUT THEM. SO THAT IS, IT'S A BIG DEAL.

ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE MAY NEED TO HAVE IS STAFF STAFFING.

WHAT DO WE FIND TO BE NECESSARY? WHAT CHANGES DO WE NEED TO MAKE.

AND WE'LL NEED YOUR HELP ON THAT. AND WHAT ARE OUR RESIDENTS EXPECTATIONS.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS AS TO SERVICES PROVIDED TO THEM, SO. YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAD A QUESTION. I WAS JUST SUMMARIZING IN MY QUESTION FOR YOU.

OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT WE MIGHT NEED? OKAY. THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT WHICH BUILDINGS NEED TO GO ON THE MASTER PLAN.

FOR MY WAY OF THINKING, WE NEED TO PUT THE CURRENT CITY HALL.

POLICE. FIRE. PUBLIC WORKS.

WHAT AM I MISSING? CAN WE JUST CALL THIS BUILDING THE COMMUNITY CENTER AT THIS POINT? WHETHER THAT WE BE. WE DON'T HAVE TO. JUST CALL IT THAT.

LIKE WE CAN DECIDE WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN IT LATER.

LIKE WHETHER IT BE VOTING OR ALL THAT. BUT JUST TO HAVE A NAME FOR THIS BUILDING.

IT'S CURRENTLY CALLED CITY HALL. WELL, WHEN I SAY CITY HALL, I'M THINKING A NEW CITY HALL, NOT THIS CITY HALL. I ACTUALLY AM NOT QUITE READY TO DISCUSS BUILDINGS.

I NEED TO KNOW WHO WE'RE HOUSING. TO ME, THAT'S THE FIRST STEP, LIKE WHEN YOU SAY CITY HALL, THAT COULD BE MANY THINGS. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO YOU FIRST IS WHAT ARE THE DEPARTMENTS WE'RE HOUSING? OKAY. IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING A MASTER PLAN. I'M GOING OUT AND, AND I'M OPEN MINDED ON THIS. WHAT BUILDINGS WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT WOULD GO ON A PLAN THAT WE WOULD THEN TAKE EACH OF THOSE BUILDINGS, SAY PUBLIC WORKS, AND THEN DISCUSS THEM AS AN ENTITY BY ITSELF TO DETERMINE

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OKAY. I GUESS FOR ME, I, I'D LIKE TO LOOK IN A MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SITTING WHERE WE WERE PRE-COVID.

THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT BEFORE THE INTERNET. I MEAN, SO WE'VE EVOLVED A LOT OVER THE YEARS.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEED TO HOUSE NOT BASED ON.

OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO NEED FIRE STATION REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE HAD A FIRE STATION.

BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME NUANCES ABOUT I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT GRANT AND PAT AS THE HR, BUT THEY'RE ALSO FINANCED. BUT THERE MAY BE ANOTHER HR PERSON BROUGHT ON THAT TAKES ON MORE OF THE ACTUAL HR.

SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THOSE FUNCTIONS ARE THAT NEED TO BE HOUSED, NOT JUST PICK UP AND MOVE THIS TO THAT, SO. OKAY. THAT'S KIND OF A COMBINATION OF NEEDS ASSESSMENT BECAUSE THAT GOES TO FUTURE.

I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE'RE JUST. COMING OUT OF DIFFERENT.

YEAH, COMING OUT OF DIFFERENT. WHEN I THINK OF CITY HALL, I'M THINKING THE CURRENT CITY HALL NEEDS TO BE ON THERE.

AND IF WE COME UP WITH A NEW CITY HALL, WE'LL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT WOULD BE.

WOULD THAT BE A BUILDING THAT HOUSES LIKE THIS ONE DOES, ADMINISTRATION, CITY HALL AND A PORTION OF PUBLIC WORKS? OR WILL IT BE SOMETHING THAT HIRE THAT IS ADMINISTRATION, CITY HALL, POLICE.

YOU KNOW IS IT. THOSE ARE DECISIONS WE'D HAVE TO MAKE.

AND THAT GOES ON TO A MASTER PLAN. HOW ARE WE GOING TO COME UP WITH THE MASTER PLAN AND THEN WORK IT DOWN FROM THERE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE? YOU'RE OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A DIFFERENT IDEA.

NO, I MEAN, I THINK THANK YOU. I THINK EFFECTIVELY YOUR PLAN IS LIST THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, LIST AND DEMAND THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS BASICALLY GO FIRST.

I THINK UNDERSTANDING THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING ASSETS AND THE ABILITY TO RENOVATE THE EXISTING ASSETS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO NEED TO EXPLORE AS WELL. SO I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M CONJECTURING HERE.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK THE CITY HALL BUILDING HAS VALUE HAS MATERIAL VALUE CAN BE REPURPOSED.

I DON'T KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CURRENT HOUSING IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ECONOMICALLY RENOVATED.

BUT I THINK UNDERSTANDING THE DISPOSITION OF THE ASSETS IS AS IMPORTANT AS UNDERSTANDING THE ASSETS THEMSELVES.

DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT? MY COMMENT WAS JUST, I THINK MAYOR PETTLE IS THINKING UP HERE, AND YOU WERE THINKING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN AS FAR AS MORE OF THE DETAILS GO.

I AGREE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT SHOWS MORE OF THOSE DETAILS, BUT I THINK MAYOR PETTLE, WHEN SHE'S TALKING ABOUT A MASTER PLAN, IS KIND OF LOOKING AT A FOOTPRINT OF THE WHOLE AREA AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE THINGS GET INCLUDED IN THAT.

SO I THINK SHE'S JUST TALKING AT A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL, THAT'S ALL. YEAH.

YEAH, I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS IN KIND OF BLOCKS OF NEED.

SO YOU MENTIONED THE CURRENT CITY HALL. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC BUILDING? YES. OKAY. I GUESS I'M THINKING ABOUT IT IN THIS WAY.

WE'VE GOT ADMINISTRATIVE NEEDS, WHICH ARE FOR THE WHOLE GENERAL ADMINISTRATION OF THE CITY.

THAT'S ONE I'M THINKING OF BLOCKS OF NEEDS THAT WE HAVE.

THE SECOND IS POLICE. AND WITHIN EACH OF THESE BLOCKS WE HAVE SOME SUBSETS TO POLICE.

WE'VE GOT STAFFING, WE'VE GOT EQUIPMENT NEEDS, AND MAYBE EVEN SOME SECURITY NEEDS AS WELL.

FIRE, WE BOTH GOT EQUIPMENT, OBVIOUSLY FIRE TRUCKS AND FIRE EQUIPMENT, BUT STAFFING AND SLEEPING QUARTERS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.

PUBLIC WORKS, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT AREAS AS WELL.

THE ADMINISTRATION OF PUBLIC WORKS AND HOW THAT INTERACTS WITH THE CITIZENS IN TERMS OF PLAT APPROVALS AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

AND THEN THE MAINTENANCE ASPECT OF PUBLIC WORKS, WHICH IS ALL THE EQUIPMENT, THE TRACTORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE OWN AND HAVE TO MAINTAIN BOTH STORAGE OF THOSE AND THE TOOLS AND PARTS FOR THEM, AS WELL AS ROOM TO MAINTAIN THEM.

IN THE PUBLIC AREA I THINK OF TWO KEY AREAS. ONE IS COURT FOR GENERAL PUBLIC, AND THE OTHER IS POSSIBLE MEETING SPACE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC, WHICH COULD BE VOTING AND OTHER KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO. AND THEN THE LAST CATEGORY THAT I HAVE IS STORAGE.

AND TO SOME EXTENT THAT CAN CUT ACROSS ALL OF THESE.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO NEED TO BE SOME AMOUNT OF STORAGE IN EVERY BUILDING THAT WE BUILD. BUT WHAT'S THE GENERAL STORAGE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE FOR THINGS THAT DON'T HAVE TO BE SITE SPECIFIC WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED. SO THOSE ARE THE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX BIG CATEGORIES.

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AND THAT MAY NOT BE ALL OF THEM. I THINK IT BRINGS UP A REALLY EXCELLENT POINT ABOUT THE PUBLIC FACING PORTION OF THE CITY.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHICH AREAS ARE DESIGNED TO SERVE THE PUBLIC AND WHICH AREAS ARE DESIGNED TO SERVE STAFF.

BUT THAT MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE, WHICH IS WE AS COUNCIL PROBABLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ATTENUATION BETWEEN VARIOUS BUSINESS UNITS.

DEPARTMENTS, THANK YOU. SORRY, I'M STILL AT WORK IN MY HEAD.

THEY, THAT MAY BE WELL ATTENUATED TO SIT TOGETHER AND MAY, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SITS APART AND THERE'S A REASON FOR IT, BUT WE DON'T WELL UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WELL ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT AS AN INFORMED CALL FOR THIS.

I THINK AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THEY WORK TOGETHER OR DON'T WOULD BE A VALUABLE INSIGHT INTO THIS AS WELL.

OKAY. SO I GUESS I ACTUALLY REALLY APPRECIATED YOU.

YES, THE BUILDING ASSESSMENT, LIKE WHAT DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE? AND THEN YOUR PIECE OF LIKE, I THINK THOSE WILL GO HAND IN HAND OF IS WHAT WE HAVE APPROPRIATE FOR ANY OF THIS.

AND IF NOT, THEN WHAT BUILDINGS DO, DO THOSE NEED TO HAPPEN? OKAY, WOULD YOU PULL UP THE FLOODPLAIN MAP? YES, MA'AM.

BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT. BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM.

IT'S THE TRACKER PAD. IT'S NOT A USER ERROR. OKAY.

I FIND THAT JUST TO BE FASCINATING BECAUSE. YOU ZOOM IN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE.

YOU MIGHT NEED A WOMAN'S TOUCH. THERE WE GO. IT TOOK AWAY THE SABLAN.

OH, THERE IT GOES. THERE YOU GO. YEAH. IT LOOKS LIKE THE OLD PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING IS CONVENIENTLY GOT A LINE THAT GOES RIGHT AROUND IT.

MAYBE THEY DID IT. MAYBE IT WAS BUILT ON A DIRT WORK.

YES, HOPEFULLY. BUT I UNDERSTAND IT'S BEEN FLOODED A NUMBER OF TIMES.

OH, YES, MORE OFTEN THAN 100 YEARS. I KNOW WE'VE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE MENTION OFFERING US SOME LAND SOMEWHERE ELSE.

DO WE THINK ANY OF THEM ARE SERIOUS? I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE HAVE HAD AT ONE POINT IN TIME AN OFFER TO PUT CITY HALL OVER AT SOUTHFORK.

WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OTHER DEVELOPERS SAID, WELL, IF YOU LET US BUILD THIS, WE'LL BUILD YOU THAT.

AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COST OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW.

I'M ONLY BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE IF WE CAN PLACE STUFF SOMEWHERE FURTHER FROM THE FLOODPLAIN, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, DO A LOT LESS DIRT WORK.

BECAUSE I KNOW, I KNOW BACK IN 2020, I SEEM TO REMEMBER THERE WAS A MILLION, $2 MILLION OR SOMETHING JUST TO ELEVATE OVER HERE, YOU KNOW, SO WE COULD TRY TO AVOID THE FLOODPLAIN.

SO. YEAH. AND THE THING IS, OVER TIME, THE FLOODPLAIN, IT'S UNLIKELY IT'S EVER GOING TO GET BETTER AND IT MIGHT GET WORSE.

SO IF WE CAN GET AWAY FROM THE FLOODPLAIN COMPLETELY, IT'D BE WONDERFUL.

IS THAT RECTANGLE THAT'S OUTLINED BY THE TREES.

IS THAT THE PROPERTY LINE? THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT THE CITY OWNS? NO, SIR. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT SHOWS WHAT THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT THE CITY OWNS? SO THIS PARCEL RIGHT HERE IS OUR SOUTHERN FACING TRACK.

YEAH. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT YEAR I'M GOING TO SAY 2020, JUST A PICK A YEAR.

BUT OUR ENGINEERING FIRM TESTED THE SOIL AT SEVERAL LOCATIONS AND DETERMINED THAT THE BEST LOCATION FOR BUILDING IS UP BY THE CURRENT WATER TOWER. THEY FOUND THAT THAT WAS THE MOST STABLE SOIL.

IT WAS OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN. AND IT, I MENTIONED THAT IT WAS THE SAME SOIL THAT THE FIRE STATION

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SO, THAT WAS THE AREA THAT WE HAD SORT OF LOOKED AT BECAUSE OF THE RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR ENGINEERS. WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO NEAR THE PIER AND BEAM WORK OR LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DIRT WORK.

YEAH, THERE'D BE SOME, BUT NOT NEAR. I MEAN, WHEN MR. SCOTT WANTED TO PUT OUR CITY HALL ON MAXWELL CREEK IN THE PRESERVE, THAT WAS GOING TO BE A MAJOR PROBLEM. BECAUSE IT THE NUMBER OF PIER BEAMS TRYING TO BUILD THAT AREA UP, THAT WHOLE THING, IT JUST DIDN'T WORK. I DIDN'T THINK. THE OTHER THING ON OTHER PEOPLE BUILDING OR GIVING US IF THEY'RE GIVING IS ONE THING.

IF WE WOULD HAVE TO BUY LAND FOR, YOU KNOW, IF A DEVELOPER SAID, WELL, YOU CAN BUILD YOUR BUILDING HERE.

THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL COST. I DON'T KNOW. RIGHT.

BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE HAD TO BUY, IT MIGHT BE CHEAPER TO BUY SOME LAND THAN GET THIS PROPERTY HERE IN GOOD ENOUGH SHAPE. BECAUSE I REMEMBER, I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE NITTY GRITTY DETAILS, BUT I REMEMBER THE AMOUNT AND I THINK IT WAS BACK IN THE RANDALL SCOTT DAYS, THE, THE COST WAS JUST ENORMOUS TO.

THAT WAS, I THINK, ON THIS BUILDING. IT WAS EITHER THIS BUILDING OR THIS BUILDING IN THE WHERE THE POLICE STATION IS THAT AREA.

BUT I'M GOING FROM MEMORY, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF I'VE SLEPT SINCE THEN.

OR WE CAN BUY THE GIANT BUILDING UNDER CONSTRUCTION OVER AT THE RESERVE AT SOUTHRIDGE.

WELL, THERE'S SOME LAND OVER BY ROLAND RIDGE.

I HAD SOMEBODY TELL ME EARLIER THAT THERE'S A THERE'S A CITY HALL COMING AVAILABLE SOMEWHERE IN DALLAS.

SO. THAT YOU HAD OUT THERE TWO MAJOR LINES, DIFFERENT YEAR FLOOD PLAINS, LIKE A 50 YEAR VERSUS SOMETHING ELSE.

SO THE RED AND BLUE IS THE DEFINED FLOOD WAY, WHEREAS THE ZONE A IS THE FLOOD PLAIN.

DON'T HAVE A DETAILED BREAKDOWN. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THAT PULLED UP.

BUT WE ALREADY KNOW THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING GETS FLOODED OFTEN ENOUGH THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER IT IN THE FLOODPLAIN.

IT IT'S IN THE FLOODWAY, I THINK. SO THE FLOODWAY IS REALLY JUST ALONG THAT MAXWELL CREEK AREA.

IT'S LIMITED JUST TO THE PRESERVE. AND THEN WHAT YOU SEE IN THE AE THERE IS THAT 1% ANNUAL CHANCE OF FLOOD HAZARD.

ANNUALLY. HOW MANY TIMES IS ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS FLOODED IN IN THAT 1% AREA? GRANT, MAYOR, DO YOU ALL HAVE SOME HISTORICAL CONTEXT? I'VE HEARD THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY HAS FLOODED WHEN IT WAS THE FORMER POLICE STATION.

IT HAS. SO I'LL SAY THIS, CHIEF PRICE TOLD ME IT'S FLOODED SEVEN TIMES IN THE PAST 20 YEARS.

SO. WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS BUILDING? THE FOOTPRINT. 4,000. 4,000. YEAH.

AND THIS BUILDING HAS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT FLOODED.

WATER HAS COME IN WHAT USED TO BE THE BREEZEWAY WHERE LORI'S OFFICE IS.

SO, WATER HAS GONE INTO THE POLICE STATION. AND THAT, I MEAN, IT'S COME UP UNDER THE BUILDING AND COME UP THAT WAY, BUT IT HASN'T FLOODED ITSELF DUE TO ITS BEING ON CINDER BLOCKS.

CORRECT. NOT THAT I KNOW OF. DO YOU. HAVE YOU HEARD ME? OKAY. HAVE YOU? NO, MADAM MAYOR. OKAY. WHICH OF THOSE BUILDINGS OF THE BUILDINGS WE HAVE NOW DO WE DEFINITIVELY BELIEVE WILL GO AWAY? I THINK THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING HAS TO GO AWAY.

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THE SHED, YEAH. AND LET'S NOT FORGET THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT. OKAY. I HEAR A BUNCH OF HEAD SHAKING OVER HERE.

IT'S WORTH EVALUATING IF IT HAS A PURPOSE, I THINK, AND WHAT THAT PURPOSE MIGHT BE.

AND MAYBE THERE'S NO IMAGINABLE PURPOSE THAT WE CAN HAVE FOR IT.

IN THE CASE OF THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THE BLACK HOLE, MAYBE.

IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, IT'S THE MOLD AND THE FACT THAT IT FLOODS EVERY FEW YEARS, SO.

AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, EVEN WITH ALL THE RENOVATIONS THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE NEW AIR CONDITIONERS, THEY'RE STILL HAVING MOISTURE PROBLEMS. SO IT WILL BE A CONTINUAL PROBLEM BECAUSE OF WHERE IT IS. YEAH, NOW THAT'S OUR BUILDING.

SO WE COULD REPURPOSE THAT BUILDING. WE COULD MAKE IT INTO A STORAGE SHED OR SOME OTHER THING.

WHICH BUILDING? WHICH BUILDING? THE POLICE BUILDING.

MAKE IT INTO WHAT? LIKE A STORAGE SHED OR SOMETHING.

YEAH, BUT WE DON'T WANT A STORAGE SHED THAT HAS MOLD AND HUMIDITY PROBLEMS. THAT'S JUST. THAT'S THE WRONG THING FOR STORAGE.

I WOULD REALLY RECOMMEND US FOCUSING ON FINDING OUR STORAGE SOLUTION IN A NEW FACILITY AND OR THE REPURPOSING OF CITY HALL IF WE'RE PLANNING ON MOVING OUT OF THERE.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS REALLY JUST TOO FAR GONE AT THIS POINT.

AND THIS IS A NON PROFESSIONAL OPINION HERE FOR SURE, BUT WITH THE MOLD ISSUES.

AND IT'S NOT EVEN REALLY CHARACTERISTIC OF THE CITY OF PARKERS.

LOOK AND FEEL. IT JUST SEEMS OUT OF PLACE. JUST MY THOUGHTS.

AND THERE'S ALSO SEPTIC PROBLEMS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THERE'S JUST A WHOLE HOST OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT BUILDING, AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S INHERENTLY WRONG.

BUT I THINK CATALOGING THE LIABILITIES THAT AFFECT THE BUILDING IS PART OF DUE DILIGENCE HERE TO DISPLAY TO THE PUBLIC, THE PARKER CITIZENS. THIS IS WHY WE NEED A NEW ONE.

I MEAN, I'VE BEEN THROUGH IT AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE FACT THAT THERE'S A FLEA PROBLEM, A RODENT PROBLEM AND A BLACK MOLD PROBLEM.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE.

BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE KIND OF ACCEPT BECAUSE WE'RE HERE.

MOST PEOPLE DON'T GET TO WALK THROUGH IT. MOST PEOPLE DON'T GET TO SEE IT. AND I DO THINK WRITING DOWN THE LIABILITY AND A PROJECTED AMOUNT THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE IT, TO RESTORE IT TO A USABLE OR SAFE CONDITION, I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEER STUDY TO PRODUCE THAT.

I THINK WE COULD JUST CREATE AN ESTIMATE AND SEE WHERE THAT TAKES US, BUT.

ALONG WITH THE MAINTENANCE. ALONG WITH THE MAINTENANCE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK ALSO JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT IT'S DIFFICULT TO RETAIN PEOPLE IN AN OFFICE THAT, THAT POSSESSES THE POTENTIAL TO AFFECT YOUR LONG TERM HEALTH.

I THINK ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE FAIR TO CATALOG, BUT I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO GO THROUGH OUR EXISTING ASSETS.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO SPEND A LONG TIME ON IT.

IS THAT BUILDING CONSIST OF 2 OR 3 STRUCTURES? I BELIEVE IT'S FOUR MODULARS. YEP. I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE CORRECTION.

THE POLICE HAS MOLD, BUT THERE WAS TESTING DONE AND IT DOESN'T HAVE BLACK MOLD.

THAT'S CORRECT. I DID WANT TO CLARIFY THAT AS WELL. NOT BLACK MOLD.

THE CONDITIONS ARE RIPE FOR IT. BUT THEY DID IDENTIFY AND IT WAS IT WAS A HIGHLY ELEVATED LEVEL OF ALL DIFFERENT CONSTITUENTS OF MOLD.

CAN I ADDRESS THE STORAGE PIECE? AGAIN, WE'VE ENTERED A WORLD WHERE THINGS ARE STORED DIGITALLY MORE THAN PAPER.

AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PAPER AROUND FOR A WHILE.

BUT I NOTICED THAT ON THAT SHEET THAT SPURGEON HAD DONE, THERE WAS AN, A FILE CABINET AND A FILE CABINET AND A FILE CABINET.

AND AT SOME POINT, DO YOU, HOW MUCH FILE CABINETS ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO NEED TO BUILD INTO THIS SPACE? SO. YEAH. AND ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, HOW MUCH DATA STORAGE, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO STORE THE DATA ELECTRONICALLY? SO. EXCELLENT POINTS, PATTI KEEPS UP WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO WHAT PAPER WE HAVE TO KEEP BY LAW AN ARCHIVE AND DO THAT. AND THEN WHAT WE CAN STORE DIGITALLY AND THAT IT'S FLUID, IT CHANGES. BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO STORE PAPER WISE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T ROT. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THAT UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE HAD SOME PROBLEMS.

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SO IT'S NOT JUST PAPERWORK, RIGHT? NO. QUESTION FOR I GUESS IT'S PATTI.

DOES THAT PAPER PAPERWORK THAT WE'RE STORING POTENTIALLY IN FILE CABINETS, IS THERE ANY LIKE REGULATION THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THAT HAS TO BE STORED IN OUR PROPERTY, OR COULD IT, COULD IT BE STORED WITH A THIRD PARTY? WELL, WE STILL GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT, ESPECIALLY IF GOT TO STAND IN LINE, STANDING STAND VERY WELL.

SO WE DO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT. SO SOME OF THEM SOMETIMES HAVE BETTER HABIT HERE ON.

BUT I ACTUALLY HAD TO LOOK INTO STORAGE OTHER PLACES BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE OTHER STUDENTS THAT DO STORY BECAUSE THEY RUN OUT OF STORAGE SPACE AS WELL. BUT I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LAW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I APPRECIATE THAT. I MEAN, I, WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IS DESIGNING FOR THE FUTURE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, PER COLLIN'S COMMENT, I DON'T THINK WE'LL REQUIRE PAPER FOR MUCH LONGER.

I THINK DIGITIZATION OF FORMS WILL BE COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE.

AND SO DESIGNING SOMETHING FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS AND TRYING TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT AS A MAJOR PORTION OF IT.

IT'D BE BETTER IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

WHAT PATTI FOLLOWS IS I UNDERSTAND IT IS THE ARCHIVIST, THE STATE ARCHIVIST RULES AND THEY SEND HER A DESTRUCTION POLICY. OH, DON'T GET ME WRONG.

I'M NOT SAYING WE DISREGARD THE THING, IT'S JUST THAT OVER TIME, I EXPECT THAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE THE LIST OF PRINTED.

IS THIS SMALL NOW AND NOT THIS BIG, SO. YEAH, AND THAT SORT OF THING IS GOING TO CHANGE.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT. I DON'T KNOW IF AT ANY POINT IN TIME THE STATE WILL SAY, OKAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP ORIGINAL RECORDS ANYMORE.

THEY MIGHT AND GO TOTALLY DIGITAL. I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S A STATE ISSUE, NOT A CITY ISSUE SO MUCH.

I WILL SAY FOR THE TIME BEING, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF PAPER BASED PROCESSES, AND SO THE NEED IS VERY MUCH THERE.

AND IF WE'RE LOOKING TO MOVE ON NEW FACILITIES OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET UP TO SPEED AND CATCH UP.

CERTAINLY WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR ON OUR DIGITAL, OUR DIGITIZING OF SOME OF THE PROCESSES WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT WE ACTUALLY JUST MET WITH THE VENDOR THIS MORNING WHO YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY COULD SOLVE SOME OF THOSE, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR PERMITTING DEPARTMENT.

BUT WE'VE GOT SOME, SOME WE'VE GOT SOME CHALLENGES WITH THAT.

OKAY. ANY. I'M JUST THINKING, I MEAN, I AT LEAST IN MY CAREER, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COMPANIES LIKE IRON MOUNTAIN DO ON BEHALF OF CITIES AND COMPANIES, RIGHT? IT'S THEY STORE PHYSICAL RECORDS. THEY DUMP THEM IN A SECURE STORAGE FACILITY, THEY DIGITIZE THE DOCUMENTS.

SO IT MIGHT ALSO BE WORTH EXPLORING IF THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE FARM OUT.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL COMPLETE IT BY THE TIME WE FIGURE OUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

YEAH, AND WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A LOT OF STORAGE REQUIREMENTS.

AND THOSE ARE UNDER, I THINK, A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES GOVERNING, BODY CAMS AND VIDEOS AND. EVIDENCE, YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, YOU'RE SPEAKING OF STORAGE OF EVIDENCE.

YEAH, IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE TO KEEP BODY CAM FOOTAGE FOR X AMOUNT OF TIME.

IF COLLEEN 40 YEARS FROM NOW COMES IN AND SAYS, I WANT TO SEE THE BODY CAM FROM WHEN I WAS STOPPED ON SUCH AND SUCH A DATE, THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THAT AND WE HAVE TO STORE IT FOR WHATEVER LENGTH OF TIME IS REQUIRED BY LAW.

I THINK. GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY. STORAGE IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.

I DON'T THINK IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO FOCUS ON, THOUGH I THINK. PERSONNEL.

HOW MANY PERSONNEL? HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE WE NEED FOR PERSONNEL AND WHAT ARE THEIR FUNCTIONS GOING TO BE SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT THEIR PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER HAS TO BE, REALLY NEEDS TO BE THE DRIVING FORCE. THAT, AND GOING BACK TO THE COMMENT EARLIER, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE NOW.

SO EVERYBODY KIND OF GENERALLY SAID THERE'S TWO OF THEM AT LEAST THAT WOULD GO AWAY COMPLETELY.

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OKAY. THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE THE POLICE BUILDING, WHICH HAS QUESTIONABLE VALUE GOING FORWARD.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE CAN ALL SAY TODAY, LET'S BULLDOZE IT OR LET'S SELL IT.

HOPEFULLY WOULDN'T. WE WOULDN'T BULLDOZE IT. WE'D SELL IT TO SOMEBODY THAT HAD SOME USE FOR IT. BUT I WOULD THINK IT WOULD EITHER BE FIND A USE FOR IT AND MAYBE RELOCATE IT TO ANOTHER PART OF THE PROPERTY OR SELL IT. AND THEN THE THIRD BIG QUESTION IS, WHAT FUNCTIONS CAN WE POSSIBLY PUT IN THIS BUILDING THAT WILL RELIEVE PRESSURE OFF OF THE NEW STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE TO BUILD? AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD IN THE PAST, I MEAN, I HADN'T DRAWN CONCLUSIONS ON ANY OF THIS.

I'M STILL VERY OPEN MINDED IN TERMS OF WHAT WE NEED AND HOW BIG OR HOW SMALL IT NEEDS TO BE.

I WANT TO LET THE FACTS LEAD US TO THE RIGHT DECISION, BUT MOST OF WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING WOULD NOT BE A GOOD LOCATION FOR POLICE HEADQUARTERS, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAD COME UP EARLY ON, IS, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST MOVE THE POLICE OVER HERE AND THEN JUST PUT ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS IN A NEW BUILDING? MY UNDERSTANDING, AT LEAST I'VE HEARD THE ARGUMENTS THAT THIS BUILDING WOULD NOT BE A SUITABLE BUILDING TO RECONFIGURE INTO POLICE HEADQUARTERS. I HEARD THAT, AND IT KIND OF GENERALLY MAKES SENSE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD ARTICULATE ALL THE ARGUMENTS MYSELF FOR WHY THAT'S NOT A REASONABLE POSSIBILITY TO CONSIDER.

IF ANYBODY ELSE CAN, I WANT TO HEAR THEM. I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S PART OF THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

AND AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THE STORAGE IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CURRENT AND FUTURE NEEDS AND NOT WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE.

SO THAT WAS. YEAH. I CAN ANSWER MOST OF YOUR QUESTIONS EITHER NOW OR WHENEVER.

ON WHY THIS BUILDING WOULD NOT BE SUITABLE FOR THE POLICE.

AND THERE ARE MANY, MANY REASONS. I THINK WE GOT TO DISCUSS THEM.

I THINK WE OWE IT TO OURSELVES, AND WE OWE IT TO OUR CITIZENS TO PUBLICLY DISCUSS THAT.

I JUST. IN THE PACKET THAT WE GOT THERE WAS VERY SPECIFIC RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING THAT.

REGARDING STATE REGULATIONS AND ALSO AS FAR AS THE POLICE REQUIREMENTS.

SO IN OUR PACKET THERE IS A BIG LIST OF THAT.

AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS IT WHAT'S THE COST OF RENOVATING? WHAT'S THE REALITY OF CONVERTING SOMETHING. LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO TURN SOMETHING INTO A JAIL SPACE, WHICH I DON'T ADVOCATE FOR, BUT WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST WITHOUT JUST BE COST PROHIBITIVE WHERE IT'S SO RIDICULOUS THAT WE CAN'T CONSIDER IT, SO. WE HAD THIS BUILDING LOOKED AT AND IT'S IN YOUR PACKET BY TWO REMODELERS, A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER A, I GUESS HE'D BE A REGULAR ENGINEER. AND BECAUSE THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1980 BEFORE THE CURRENT TECHNOLOGICAL THINGS CAME ABOUT TO USE THIS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

FIRST YOU'D HAVE TO SPEND ABOUT CLOSE TO $1 MILLION TO TEAR IT DOWN TO ITS FOUNDATION BECAUSE.

IT JUST IT'S THAT OLD. THEN IT'S ALREADY BEEN.

THE FOUNDATION HAS ALREADY BEEN EXPANDED TWICE.

THE THOUGHT OF EXPANDING A THIRD TIME JUST SCARED THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO DEATH.

HE SAID, NO, THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING. THEN YOU HAVE THE FLOOD PLAIN COMING IN.

THAT COULD AFFECT A LOT OF EQUIPMENT, AND THE POLICE HAVE A LOT OF WIRING, EQUIPMENT, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. IT WAS JUST NOT EVER SEEN AS A FEASIBLE OPTION.

PLUS THE CURRENT OR LAST DESIGN ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH WE MAY OR MAY NOT ACCEPT WITH 6,600FT².

AND THAT MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THE POLICE REQUIREMENTS.

THEY HAVE SOME SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE, LIKE EVIDENCE STORAGE AND THAT THIS BUILDING IS 04,000FT². THE CURRENT DESIGN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE LAST ONE I'VE SEEN IS 6,600FT².

THERE'S NO WAY. HOW BIG IS OUR QUADRUPLE WIDE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE POLICE BUILDING? WELL, THE POLICE BUILDING, IT IS 40. IT'S A LITTLE OVER 4000FT².

I THINK IT'S 42, 43, BUT IT'S IN YOUR POCKET.

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PUBLIC WORKS WAS A LITTLE UNDER THAT. AND THEN THERE WAS STORAGE BECAUSE ALL OF IT AT THE ONE TIME WHEN WE ADDED IT ALL UP.

WE WERE USING AT THAT POINT IN TIME ABOUT 15,000FT², A LITTLE BIT AROUND IN THAT FIGURE.

AND THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN FIVE. WELL, IT'S HOWEVER LONG AGO IT'S BEEN.

I MEAN, MY GUT FEEL IS THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT BUILDING TO BE THE NEW POLICE BUILDING, BUT IT WOULD BE A VERY LIKELY BUILDING TO HOUSE MOST OF THE PUBLIC WORKS, NOT EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT IN TERMS OF STAFFING FOR PUBLIC WORKS, INTERACTION WITH THE PUBLIC, PLATS BUILDERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND SOME STORAGE. YEAH IT COULD. MY THOUGHT ON THAT WAS TO MAKE THIS THE VOTING CENTER, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SHUT DOWN CITY HALL EVERY TIME THERE'S AN ELECTION, WHICH IS VERY, VERY INCONVENIENT FOR OUR CITIZENS AS WELL AS FOR US.

BUT WE SHOULDN'T NEED A BUILDING THIS BIG FOR VOTING. WELL, IT COULD BE VOTING AND MEETING ROOMS AND OR CLIMATE CONTROLLED STORAGE, BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS WE STORED NEEDS TO BE IN A CLIMATE CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT.

SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE CAN MAKE THIS DECISION TONIGHT.

I FEEL LIKE WE NEED A LOT OF INFORMATION BEFORE WE CAN SAY WE'RE THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHAT INFORMATION DO WE NEED TO GET SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT STEP IF, AND I THINK SOME OF THAT IS YOU'LL FIND IT IN YOUR POCKETS.

I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF STUFF. I MEAN, YOU'LL SEE THE REPORTS ON THIS BUILDING FROM, I THINK THERE'S ABOUT 4 OR 5 DIFFERENT REPORTS ON THIS BUILDING.

YOU'LL SEE REPORTS ON THE POLICE BUILDING. ALL THAT'S IN THERE, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DIG A LITTLE BIT, OR IT MAY BE ON THAT DROP BOX WHERE YOU PUT SOME STUFF.

BUT IT SHOULD BE THERE. BUT WHAT I WANT IS WHAT IS IT THAT YOU NEED SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE GET IT.

SO WE HAVE IT TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEP, WHATEVER WE DECIDE THAT'S GOING TO BE.

KENT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE ON THE LIST SO FAR? SO FAR WE'VE GOT THE BUILD OUT POPULATION ESTIMATES.

ACCOUNT FOR POSSIBLE ETJ ANNEXATIONS. INCLUDE THE ASSUMPTIONS FROM THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES, PROVIDING THEY THEY SPELL THAT OUT. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO NEED AN UPDATED NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

NUMBER THREE WE'VE GOT DEFINE THE STAFFING NEEDS UP FRONT.

THAT'S SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED. PLANS FOR OUR CURRENT FACILITIES, THEY NEED TO BE DETERMINED UP FRONT.

MR. PILGRIM MENTIONED THAT. CONDITION ASSESSMENTS FOR OUR CURRENT BUILDINGS.

CAN ANYTHING BE SALVAGED? AND THEN THE INTERCONNECTION AND COORDINATION BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT, A BETTER UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT MR. SHARPE ASKED FOR.

YEAH, THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO ADD TO THAT, AND YOU MAY HAVE COVERED IT AND I JUST DIDN'T HEAR IT, IS WHAT THE CURRENT USE OF OUR BUILDINGS ARE.

YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT DOES THIS BUILDING DO? WHAT DOES THAT BUILDING DO? AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING BECAUSE MISS PILGRIM ASKED FOR.

YEAH. I THINK THAT THAT LIST THAT HE HAD OF THE SIX SEGMENTS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER.

THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT. YEAH. SO SO OTHER THAN THAT, WE MATCH.

OKAY. DID YOU GET THE SIX SEGMENTS I LISTED GENERAL ADMINISTRATION, POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC WORKS, PUBLIC USE, AND THEN STORAGE. YEAH. I DID NOT, BUT I'LL CERTAINLY GET THAT ONE DONE.

HOW THE BUILDINGS WORK TOGETHER. STORAGE, COURT, MEETING SPACE, PUBLIC WORKS, FIRE, POLICE, CITY HALL. AND THAT INCLUDES ADMINISTRATION. CAN WE ALSO DO A PRELIMINARY LOOK AT WHAT THE EXISTING POSSIBLE LOCATIONS ARE? SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND IF THERE'S ANY REAL VIABLE OFFERS THAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER OUTSIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

SO YEAH, WE'VE BEEN BROACHED BY A COUPLE OF FOLKS.

THERE IS THAT TIT FOR TAT THERE. THE DEVELOPERS ARE WANTING SOMETHING.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS YET. MORE THAN LIKELY SOME SORT OF YOU KNOW, BENDING ON OUR RULES SO THAT THEY CAN BE PROFITABLE WITH THEIR VENTURE.

I HAVE THE ABILITY TO OFFER US THE LAND. RIGHT.

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THERE'S A BIG STAFF COMPONENT THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED TO NEGOTIATE WHAT THAT POTENTIALLY COULD LOOK LIKE.

SO IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION COUNCIL WANTS US TO GO DOWN, I WOULD JUST I WOULD PIN, YOU KNOW, A SIX MONTH PROCESS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO. IS THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? YEAH, YEAH, I WAS REALLY MORE OF WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES? THERE'S THIS ONE OVER HERE THAT HAS OFFERED. IS THAT EVEN SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT THAT'S SO FAR OFF THE BEATEN PATH THAT WE WOULD NEVER CONSIDER IT? SO IT'S MORE OF A BROADER, I THINK MOST OF THE OFFERS, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY OWN THE LAND YET.

CORRECT. CORRECT. WELL, NO. CENTURION AMERICA DOES OWN SOUTH FORK.

I THINK MOST SURE THAT WAS THE EXCEPTION. YOU WERE YOU'RE CORRECT.

THIS IS VERY SPECULATIVE, VERY PRELIMINARY. IT'S JUST KIND OF SPIT BALLING AT THIS POINT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE I COULD GIVE YOU.

I COULD TALK TO YOU OFFLINE AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT THOSE PROPOSALS.

WE WANT TO TALK TO CENTURION ANYWAY ABOUT THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

SO WE DO WE DO. SO WHEN WE TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT, WE CAN JUST SAY, HEY, WHEN YOU WERE YOU ALL THROUGH THIS OUT, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? AND YOU KNOW, I JUST SAY, LISTEN TO IT.

AND IT MAY BE AN ABSOLUTE NO GO FOR US, BUT WE WE'LL SEE THAT OVERVIEW OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE.

DO YOU HAVE THAT WITH WHERE THE BUILDING, THE PREVIOUS BUILDING THAT WAS PROPOSED THAT YOU CAN PULL UP WAS GOING TO SIT. YES, SIR. GIVE ME JUST A MINUTE AND I THINK I CAN FIND THAT.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT JOHN TERRY TOLD ME ABOUT SOUTHPORT.

IS THIS A CORRECT RENDITION? MAYOR WHERE WE HAVE THAT OFFSET WITH THE PARKING BEHIND? YEAH, THAT WAS THIS I REMEMBER FROM 2020. NO, NO, YOU, I THINK THE ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHERE IT WAS IN THE PRESERVE BUDDY. NO, NO, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE.

OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THE ONE THAT WAS WAY BACK IN 2017.

OKAY, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT WAS PROPOSED AND TURNED DOWN.

OKAY, SO, SO. WHERE WAS IT LOCATED? SO THAT COMMUNITY CENTERS THE, IT'S THE SAME THING THAT WAS CALLED THE ANNEX ON SOME OTHER DOCUMENTS.

AND ON THE LAST VOTE THAT WASN'T EVEN ON THE LAST WAS, WAS IT EVEN ON THE 2020 VOTE? I THINK IT WAS DELETED BEFORE THE VOTE. YEAH.

SO THAT IGNORE THAT COMMUNITY CENTER. IT WAS NEVER UP FOR VOTE.

THE FIRST BOND WAS ALSO GOING TO HAVE THE PARK AND THE SENSORY PLAYGROUND AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WENT AWAY BEFORE IT EVEN WENT OUT TO THE BOND ON THE FIRST TIME.

HEY, SO LEE, YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS, SO THE FLOODPLAIN LINE ON THIS IS DIFFERENT AND IT GOES RIGHT THROUGH THIS BUILDING.

DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOLLECTION OF THAT? THIS BUILDING WE'RE SITTING IN HAS THE FLOODPLAIN.

IS THE PARKING LOT NOW. OH YEAH. THIS BUILDING WASN'T DONE AWAY WITH IN THAT CONCEPT THOUGH, WAS IT? IT WASN'T PLANNED TO BE USED. IT, SO.

IT WAS PLANNED TO BE USED IN THE LAST. YEAH, BUT NOT THIS, NOT THIS IS FROM I KNOW THIS IS FROM 2020.

OKAY. FOR SURE. SO I WAS INVOLVED SOME IN THE 2020 GO AROUND AND I'M PRETTY SURE IN THE 2020 GO AROUND THE STATE OF THIS BUILDING WAS UNDETERMINED. BECAUSE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT CITY HALL DOWN THERE, THE ADMIN WAS GOING TO BE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THE POLICE WAS GOING TO BE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS IT'S SHOWN THERE.

NOW WE HAVE A FLOOR PLAN THAT IN THE DOCUMENTS WE WERE GIVEN WHERE THERE WAS AN OFFSET INSTEAD OF IT BEING A STRAIGHT THROUGH BUILDING. YEAH, EXACTLY. THAT ONE THAT, THAT ONE'S A MORE RECENT PLAN.

OKAY, AT THIS POINT WE NEED TO TAKE A RECESS.

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WE ARE IN RECESS. IT IS 7:01 P.M..

OKAY. I HEREBY RECONVENE THE PARKER CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING ON MASTER PLAN PLANNING COMMITTEE FOR FACILITIES IS JUNE 30TH, 2026 AT 7:30 P.M..

OKAY, WHERE WE LEFT OFF, I THINK, BILLY, YOU WERE MAKING A POINT.

AND DID YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THAT? OKAY.

SO ARE WE AT THE POINT WHERE WE CAN DEVELOP A MASTER PLAN OR WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO FROM HERE? I DON'T THINK WE CAN CREATE A MASTER PLAN TONIGHT.

WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED. OKAY, IN TERMS OF WHAT BUILDINGS WOULD GO ON.

ALL THE STUFF THAT IS GOING TO PULL FOR US. SO CAN WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? WE'RE NOT BUILDING A WHOLE NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT CAN WE JUST SAY, HEY, YES, LET'S ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY NEED SOME RENOVATIONS.

CAN WE AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO.

SO LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I'D LIKE TO SAY YES.

LET'S ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT NEEDS RENOVATIONS AND WE CAN PUT IT IN THE MASTER PLAN.

YEAH. PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF EXPANSION FOR SLEEPING QUARTERS, BUT NOT A WHOLE NEW BUILDING.

RIGHT. WELL, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS BUILT WITH A PLAN TO BUILD ON ONCE WE GOT ON.

SO YEAH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS OPENED IN 2000 IN APRIL OF 2009.

AND IF YOU'RE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE TV ROOM, THERE'S SOME WINDOWS THAT GO FULL SIZE.

AND THAT WAS WHERE THE EXTENSION WAS TO BE TO THE SLEEPING QUARTERS.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PLANS ARE FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY STILL HAVE THEM.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING IF WE COULD FIND THE PLANS, THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THAT'S STILL AN OPTION.

TO MY WAY OF THINKING, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS NOT A HIGHEST PRIORITY AS SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT WE MAY NEED BECAUSE THEY'VE GOTTEN SOMETHING. I THINK THE MASTER PLAN IS A MASTER PLAN. IT DOESN'T ALL HAVE TO BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME.

WE CAN LOOK AT IT IN PHASES. SO I THINK ONCE WE HAVE THE PLAN, THEN WE CAN DECIDE, OKAY, WHAT DO WE WANT TO FUND FIRST? DO WE WANT TO DO THIS SECOND? I MEAN, WE CAN WE CAN MAKE A PLAN OF HOW FUNDING WILL COME EVENTUALLY, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE RECORD THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS RENOVATIONS.

YEAH, I GUESS MY THOUGHT WAS LET'S DETERMINE WHAT BUILDINGS GO ON THE MASTER PLAN.

CITY, AND I THINK BILLY KIND OF NAMED IT CITY HALL, POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC WORKS.

AND THEN NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THOSE, THEN WE CAN BRING IT DOWN.

WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE THOSE? ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH PUBLIC WORKS FIRST, OR ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FIRST? YOU KNOW, BUT I'M OPEN TO OTHER IDEAS. I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHAT IS THE TIMELINE YOU'RE THINKING FOR COMPLETING THE MASTER PLAN SO THAT WE CAN THEN PROCEED? I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD AT LEAST GET THE MASTER PLAN.

WHAT BUILDINGS TONIGHT. BUT IF WE CAN'T DO IT, WE CAN'T DO IT.

BUT THAT'S. I GUESS NOT MY QUESTION. THAT'S. WE CAN'T CREATE A MASTER PLAN TONIGHT.

I MEAN. OKAY, I GUESS I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING.

I, WE'RE NAMING BUILDINGS. THAT'S IT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEEDS ASSESSMENT, A CURRENT NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BUILDINGS THAT WE ALREADY OWN AND WHAT, WHAT THEIR STATUS IS.

I GUESS, I JUST COMPLETELY DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.

I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A PROCESS AND NOT A TWO MEETING SITUATION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT FOR FUNDING EVENTUALLY.

WHAT'S THE TIMING THAT WE'RE WORKING AT? IS THIS ARE WE TRYING TO GET THIS SO WE CAN CALL A BOND ELECTION FOR NOVEMBER? OR ARE WE LOOKING AT SOMETHING NEXT YEAR, NEXT SPRING? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. LIKE WHAT IS THE TIMELINE WE'RE WORKING ON AND WHAT'S THE END PRODUCT FOR THAT?

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NOT WITH THE NEEDS ARE JUST THE BUILDINGS, JUST THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE KNOW THAT THE POLICE, THE FIRE CITY ADMINISTRATION, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE.

THEN WE BREAK THAT DOWN WHEN WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON, SAY, PUBLIC WORKS AS THE FIRST BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S THE HIGHEST PRIORITY.

WE MAY NOT AGREE WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING THAT.

AND THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE INFORMATION YOU WANT WOULD COME IN PER BUILDING.

AM I MAKING ANY SENSE? YOU'RE LOOKING. YEAH, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WHAT BULLY LISTED WERE FUNCTIONAL GROUPS, NOT BUILDINGS.

SO I I'M HAVING TROUBLE CONNECTING IT. I'M SORRY.

OKAY, MY THOUGHT IS THE BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE ON THE MASTER PLAN OR PUBLIC WORKS, CITY HALL, POLICE FIRE.

DID I GET ALL THE BUILDINGS? I SAID CITY HALL.

OKAY, I DON'T THINK OF EACH OF THOSE AS BUILDINGS.

THOSE ARE THOSE ARE FUNCTIONS. SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS ARE GOING TO BE IN.

THOSE ARE COMBINED IN THE SAME BUILDING. SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE SEPARATE. LIKE I ENVISION THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE, I WOULD IMAGINE, IN A COMPLETELY SEPARATE BUILDING, HOW MUCH WE ADD ON TO IT FOR SLEEPING QUARTERS OR ADDITIONAL BAYS FOR PARKING, FIRE TRUCKS, OR EVEN IF WE DO MAINTENANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE ISSUE.

BUT I WOULD ENVISION A BUILDING FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL ALWAYS BE A SEPARATE AND UNIQUE BUILDING UNTO ITSELF.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE COMBINED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LIKELY. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE COMBINED WITH ADMINISTRATION.

IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE COMBINED WITH PUBLIC WORKS. WE'VE ALREADY GOT A FREESTANDING BUILDING, SO WE WOULD MANAGE THAT ONE, AND WHAT WE DO WITH IT IS ONE THING. PUBLIC WORKS IS A FUNCTION THAT COULD BE BOTH IN A NEW FREESTANDING BUILDING, WHICH WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME FREESTANDING NEEDS FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

THE ONES WE TALKED ABOUT FOR GOING OVER WHERE THE OTHER WATER TOWER IS.

NOW, THERE'S A QUESTION AS TO WHAT WE ACTUALLY BUILD OVER THERE. DOES IT NEED TO BE A FACILITY THAT ENCOMPASSES EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH PUBLIC WORKS, INCLUDING OFFICES AND MEETING ROOMS FOR PEOPLE TO GARY STAFF TO MEET WITH BUILDERS OR NOT? OR DOES THAT NEED TO BE JUST A WORK ORIENTED BUILDING THAT HOUSES EQUIPMENT AND THE PEOPLE THAT GO OUT AND DO THE PHYSICAL LABOR.

OKAY, TO ME, YOU'RE GETTING IN THE WEEDS. OKAY.

I'M TALKING ABOUT A PLAN WHERE THERE'S EVERY BUILDING, FOR WANT OF A BETTER TERM.

EVERY BUILDING IS ON IT. OKAY. THEN YOU PRIORITIZE WHICH BUILDING YOU WANT TO DISCUSS FIRST.

LET'S SAY IT'S PUBLIC WORKS. THEN WE SAY, OKAY, WE HAVE A WE HAVE SEVERAL DESIGNS THAT HAVE COME UP FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT BUILDING? HOW IS IT GOING TO BE ALL OVER THERE? IS IT GOING TO BE SOME OVER HERE? IS IT GOING TO BE THERE? THEN YOU GET INTO THAT BUILDING BY BUILDING BY BUILDING.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS KIND OF SAYING.

I MEAN, YOU WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT AN OVERALL DESIGN OVERALL MASTER PLAN.

I'M MISSING SOMETHING, I THINK THE PROBLEM IS, IS YOUR IDEA OF A MASTER PLAN AND YOUR IDEA OF MASTER PLAN ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING FOR TOPICS, POINT TOPICS TO DISCUSS, AND I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WHERE IS THE BUILDING GOING TO GO? DO WE WANT 1 OR 2 BUILDINGS LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DETAIL.

THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE'S SAYING. I THINK SHE'S JUST SAYING THE POINTS OF DISCUSSION, LIKE A LIST OF WHAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND EACH OF OUR DEPARTMENT FUNCTIONS.

AND SO THEN PUBLIC WORKS WOULD COME UP, OKAY, DO WE WANT TO PUT IT WITH THE CITY HALL OR DO WE WANT A SEPARATE BUILDING? SO SHE'S JUST TALKING LIKE POINTS OF ORDER AND DISCUSSION.

IT'S NOT REALLY IT'S NOT REALLY A MASTER PLAN.

BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE I WAS TALKING ABOUT FUNCTIONAL. SO FUNCTIONALLY FIRE DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO BE UNTO ITSELF. FUNCTIONALLY, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT COULD EITHER BE ALL IN ONE BUILDING OR IT COULD BE SPLIT BETWEEN TWO.

SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS. FUNCTIONALLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY ALL LEANING TOWARDS IT BEING A PART OF WHATEVER NEW OVERALL BUILDING WE BUILD.

I DON'T THINK THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE GETTING BEHIND THE IDEA OF TURNING THIS INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO IF THIS DOESN'T BECOME THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEN BY DEFINITION.

AND POLICE DEPARTMENT'S NOT GOING TO STAY IN THE BUILDING IT'S IN NOW. SO BY DEFINITION, WHATEVER NEW STRUCTURE WE BUILD WILL INCLUDE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WILL INCLUDE

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AND I'M TALKING ABOUT, LET'S JUST GET THE NAMES OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND THEN DECIDE.

THE NAMES OF THE BUILDINGS WE CURRENTLY HAVE, OR THE ONES WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DISCUSS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THE SAME THING.

THEY'RE DIFFERENT. I MEAN, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS LITERALLY THE ONLY ONE, SO.

SHE JUST WANTS POINTS OF TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.

THAT'S IT. IT'S NOT A MASTER PLAN LIKE WE, YOU AND ME THINK, RIGHT? RIGHT. WE'RE THINKING A MAP WITH WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING.

THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT. OKAY, SO. LET'S JUST LIST THE ITEMS. POLICE DEPARTMENT. BECAUSE YES, THAT'S QUITE HONESTLY THE WORST. WELL, YEAH. AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.

SO ARE YOU READY. BUT SHE'S ALREADY LISTED THEM, RIGHT.

WELL HE LISTED THE FUNCTIONAL AREAS. BUT WHERE THOSE GO IN A BUILDING IS A SEPARATE TOPIC.

BUT AND THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE THOSE SHE WANTS THE BUILDINGS.

SO THAT'S WHAT I SAID JUST A MINUTE AGO WAS TAKING THOSE SIX FUNCTIONS AND SAYING, HERE'S AT LEAST MY IDEA OF HOW THOSE SIX FUNCTIONS FIT INTO BUILDINGS, FIRE DEPARTMENTS BY ITSELF, POLICE DEPARTMENT, ADMINISTRATIVE, AND SOME PART OF PUBLIC WORKS COULD BE IN THE NEW STRUCTURE THAT WE BUILD.

A SEPARATE PART OF PUBLIC WORKS, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH EQUIPMENT AND MAINTENANCE AND ALL THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE IN A NEW BUILDING, IN A SEPARATE BUILDING. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE OUR NEW ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING ALSO HAVE GARAGE DOORS IN IT, WHERE WE'RE PARKING TRACTORS AND WORKING ON EQUIPMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW, ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS GET THE NAMES OF THE BUILDINGS SO THAT WE CAN SAY, OKAY, THE PRIORITY IS PUBLIC WORKS. OKAY, SO THE THREE BUILDINGS, AS I HEARD THEM FROM BUDDY, ARE THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND PUBLIC WORKS.

WELL, THE ADMINISTRATIVE. ADMINISTRATIVE. I AGREE WITH THAT.

IN TERMS OF THAT WOULD BE THE THREE SEPARATE BUILDINGS.

AND THEN THAT JUST BEGS THE QUESTION, WHAT ALL DO WE PUT INTO THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING? RIGHT. DO WE PUT ALL THE PUBLIC WORKS IN IT OR NOT? WHICH PROBABLY WE DON'T. OR DO WE PUT ANY OF PUBLIC WORKS IN IT OR NOT? IS A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT. WE'LL HAVE POLICE AND WE'LL HAVE GENERAL ADMINISTRATION, AND WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC AREAS, WHICH WAS THE OTHER ONE OF THE SIX THAT I DID MENTION JUST A MINUTE AGO.

BUT OBVIOUSLY ANY NEW ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING THAT WE HAVE IS GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HOUSE SOME PART OF PUBLIC USE, THE COURTS AND MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WELL, AND WE DETERMINE IF WE'RE KEEPING THIS BUILDING, HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE IT.

YES. EXISTING BUILDING, EXISTING CITY HALL. YEAH.

I WOULD BE IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME CONVINCING TO GET ME TO AGREE THAT WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP THIS BUILDING, BUT WE NEED TO BULLDOZE THIS BUILDING. IT'S GOT SOME FUNCTIONALITY IN IT.

RIGHT. SO. YEAH. YEAH, SO I THINK SO THOSE ARE THE FOR THE EXISTING CITY HALL WHATEVER.

WHAT DOES THAT TURN INTO. IT COULD BE A GIANT STORAGE BUILDING.

I GIVE UP. I THOUGHT WE JUST COVERED WHAT YOU DID.

LEE. I THINK YOU'RE CALLING IT BUILDINGS. AND IT'S NOT BUILDING. LET'S JUST CALL IT DEPARTMENT. SO LIKE, LET'S CALL IT DEPARTMENT.

I DID, I LISTED FOUR BUILDINGS. I, I THOUGHT I DID WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR.

YOU TELL US, YOU ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION THEN SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT YOU WANT US TO SAY.

OH, I THOUGHT I HAD. LET ME WRITE IT OUT, SO.

I'M MISSING SOMETHING. AND THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. I'M THINKING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT CITY HALL THAT MAY OR MAY NOT INCLUDE POLICE, ADMINISTRATIVE AND COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THAT IS A DECISION ONCE WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION THAT WILL BE DECIDED. FIRE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS AND STORAGE

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IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD UP WHERE THE ENGINEERS TOLD US IT WAS THE BEST PLACE TO BUILD.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME LIKE I'VE LOST MY MIND. OKAY SO IF Y'ALL WILL AGREE THAT THOSE ARE THE BUILDINGS, THEN I WILL ASK YOU.

BUILDINGS FUNCTION, WHAT SHOULD WE DISCUSS FIRST? I WOULD NOT AGREE THAT STORAGE IS A BUILDING.

STORING IS STORAGE IS A FUNCTION. I DON'T THINK STORAGE IS A BUILDING.

THAT MIGHT BE A BAD WORD. MAYBE I SHOULD WORK SHED.

YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A PLACE FOR TOOLS, EQUIPMENTS, GUYS TO MAKE PIPES.

WHATEVER. LET ME CLARIFY, SO YOU'RE CALLING IT LIKE EQUIPMENT STORAGE, WHICH IS SEPARATE THEN FROM PUBLIC WORKS? IT COULD BE, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S THE QUESTION.

THAT'S WHY I SAID I THOUGHT PUBLIC WORKS IS THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO START WITH.

BUT I WANT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU THINK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE STARTED OR IF YOU THINK CITY HALL WOULDN'T AND WHAT THAT NEEDS TO BE. THAT IS MY QUESTION.

WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? I MEAN, I CAN MAKE A CASE FOR FIRE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE THE EASIEST.

IT'S ALREADY BUILT. IT ALREADY HAS PLANS SOMEWHERE THAT WE COULD EITHER FIND OR RENEW.

AND GET THAT ON PAPER OF WHAT THE PLAN IS LIKE.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT. WHAT BUILDING ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. OH, AND SO, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING THIS PLAN SO THAT WE, WE SAY WE'VE GOT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DONE, SO LET'S GO BUILD IT. WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT'S SECTION ONE OF THE PLAN, RIGHT? I WOULD ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE WITH THAT. BUT OKAY, TELL ME WHY.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ISN'T A PRIORITY. I KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT'S JUST PHASE, SECTION ONE OF THE DOCUMENT.

IT'S NOT PRIORITY ONE. IT'S JUST THE LOW HANGING FRUIT OF US GETTING SOMETHING MOVING ON THIS DOCUMENT.

OKAY. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT RATHER THAN PUBLIC WORKS? I'M NOT SAYING I WOULD. I'M SAYING IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING MOVING, THAT ONE WE HAVE THE MOST INFORMATION CURRENTLY AVAILABLE.

I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE ELSE. PUBLIC WORKS WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE BALL IS ROLLING ON THAT.

WE'VE WORKED ON IT NUMEROUS TIMES. I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE ON PUBLIC WORKS, SO I'D LIKE TO START WITH PUBLIC WORKS.

OKAY. EASY. OKAY. OUTSIDE OF PUBLIC WORKS, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

IT LEADS US TO THE KEY QUESTION. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO PUT IN THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING? IS IT ONLY GOING TO BE ACTIVITIES RELATED TO THE PHYSICAL ACTIVITY OF PUBLIC WORKS, OR IS IT GOING TO BE THE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION THAT COMES UNDER PUBLIC WORKS? OKAY, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IF, IF Y'ALL ARE AGREEABLE IS IF WE CAN DECIDE ON SOME KIND OF PRIORITY, LIKE PUBLIC WORKS AT OUR NEXT MEETING. I DON'T WANT TO KEEP YOU HERE TILL 10:00 AT NIGHT.

AND YOU'RE FALLING ASLEEP ON ME. THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING, IF I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE PUBLIC WORKS, I WILL HAVE GARY HERE. I WILL HAVE JOHN BIRKHOFF HERE BECAUSE HE DID THE ORIGINAL DESIGNS.

GREG BIRKHOFF WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'LL HAVE ALL THE NECESSARY PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS. WHAT WOULD IT USE BE? WHAT WOULD IT.

YOU KNOW, THAT WAY WE COULD HOPEFULLY DEAL WITH PUBLIC WORKS.

GET ALL THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND MOVE FORWARD.

AND THEN ONCE WE FINISH WITH PUBLIC WORKS, WE THEN GO TO WHATEVER IS PRIORITY TWO.

OKAY, IF DOES. DOES THAT MAKE ANY. YEAH. THAT DOES.

DID WERE YOU KNOCKING ON YOUR. I THOUGHT IT WAS ON.

PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING WAS PRESENTED TO US FROM GARY WITH HIS NEEDS AND WANTS, AND IT WAS PRETTY COMPLETE IN HIS

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WE WEREN'T HAPPY WITH THOSE. WE ASKED HIM TO GO BACK.

SO THAT'S WHERE THIS KIND OF HAS STOPPED. BUT WE'VE ALREADY HAD THAT BALL ROLLING AND WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE, RIGHT. SO, NOW YOU'RE. WELL, WHAT YOU SAY IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

HOWEVER, BEFORE THAT, THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING WAS THE WATER BUILDING AT THE PUMP STATION, AND IT HAD DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS IN DIFFERENT DESIGN.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU ALL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO TO HEAR ABOUT THAT, READ ABOUT THAT AND LOOK AT THAT BEFORE IT JUMPED TO WHAT GARY CAME UP WITH. I SPOKE WITH GARY THIS WEEK AND ASKED HIM THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION, YOU KNOW, AND HE EXPLAINED TO ME THAT PRESENTATION OF WHAT THAT LAST BUILDING WAS THAT THIS CURRENT COUNCIL HAS WORKED ON IS HIS NEEDS AND HIS WANTS FOR WHAT HE NEEDS. I ASKED HIM ABOUT OFFICES IN, IN THE CURRENT IN THE NEW CITY HALL, AND HE SAID YES, HE WOULD NEED CITY. HE WOULD NEED OFFICES IN CITY HALL AS WELL AS AT HIS PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING.

SO. OKAY, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE WHOLE DEAL TONIGHT, IF YOU KNOW.

BUT TO ME, THE FIRST DECISION WILL HAVE TO BE IS WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT BUILDING? YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN START BACK WHEN IT STARTED AS THE WATER BUILDING, Y'ALL CAN HEAR ABOUT THAT AND GO TO WHERE IT'S THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING. I DON'T CARE. I'M SORRY. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT WATER BUILDING.

I THINK ALL OF US RECOGNIZE THAT AT LEAST THE PHYSICAL PARTS.

SORRY. ARE YOU OKAY? I'M NOT TRYING TO KILL YOU.

I THINK THAT THAT BUILDING. I THINK ALL OF US ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT THE WHOLE PHYSICAL PART OF THE BUILDING, LIKE ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND THE WORKSHOP AND ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THERE FOR EVERYTHING, WE DON'T NEED A WATER BUILDING AND THEN A SEPARATE BUILDING FOR THE REST OF PUBLIC WORKS. WE'RE OKAY. WE'RE GETTING INTO THE PUBLIC WORKS DISCUSSION TONIGHT, AND I REALLY WOULD RATHER WAIT UNTIL. WELL, NO, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS I THINK YOU'RE GOING BACK TO STUFF.

I DON'T THINK THE THE REST OF US WANT TO GO TO THAT THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE.

WELL I UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF IT TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IT GOES TO COST AND IT GOES TO SPACE AND YOU KNOW.

BUT IF WE GO BACK TO THIS WATER BUILDING, IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE REST OF PUBLIC WORKS NEEDS.

SO I DON'T, I JUST DON'T FIND THAT A GOOD USE OF OUR TIME.

YOU JUST HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ANY OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS OF PUBLIC WORKS IN THAT WATER BUILDING OR NOT.

I MEAN, I SEE WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH FOUR BUILDINGS.

WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING. YOU'RE CALLING IT CITY HALL. I'M GOING TO CALL IT ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S GOT A BROADER USE THAN JUST CITY HALL. THE SECOND BUILDING IS GOING TO BE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUILDING.

THE THIRD BUILDING IS GOING TO BE SOME FORM OF PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, WHETHER IT'S JUST DEDICATED TO EQUIPMENT AND MAINTENANCE OR WHETHER IT IS DEDICATED TO ALL FUNCTIONS OF PUBLIC WORKS. THAT'S. AND THEN THE FOURTH BUILDING IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW AND HOW WE MAKE USE OF IT.

AND THAT'S THE FOUR BUILDINGS WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH.

I'M ASSUMING WE'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP THE CURRENT POLICE BUILDING UNLESS WE END UP USING IT FOR STORAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I HAVE A HARD TIME FIGURING OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FUNCTIONALLY WITH THE CURRENT POLICE BUILDING.

SO I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH THOSE FOUR BUILDINGS. SO THEN WHAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE IS WHAT FUNCTIONS ARE WE GOING TO PUT IN EACH OF THOSE FOUR BUILDINGS.

FIRE IS OBVIOUS ONLY THINGS RELATED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THE OTHERS, THERE ARE FUNCTIONS THAT WE COULD PUT IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING OR THEY COULD GO IN THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDINGS, THERE ARE FUNCTIONS THAT WE COULD PUT IN THE NEW ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING, OR WE MAYBE COULD LEAVE THEM IN THIS BUILDING. SO THOSE ARE THE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO

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YEAH. SO YEAH. SO I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

IF WE DISCUSS PUBLIC WORKS, WE HAVE A FUR PIECE DOWN THE ROAD ON THAT ONE.

AND WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION OF OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE CORE FUNCTIONS IN THAT BUILDING, BUT WHAT ELSE DO WE INCLUDE AND GO DOWN THAT.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T NEED HISTORY. I TRUST GARY TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT.

AND HE'S THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AND I'M GOING TO DEFER TO HIM.

YEAH. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOME PARTS OF PUBLIC WORK.

FIRST YOU HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT IS PUBLIC WORKS BECAUSE CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUILDING PLANNER, BUILDING INSPECTOR, YOU KNOW, ALREADY THEY'RE SEPARATED.

BECAUSE RIGHT OVER HERE IS WHERE GARY IS, WHERE CODE ENFORCEMENT IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WHICH IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS, WHERE SHOULD SOME OF THOSE FUNCTIONS BE? ARE THEY GOING TO BE IN AN ADMINISTRATION OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE IN PUBLIC WORKS? AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO. THAT'S WHAT BILLY WAS JUST SAYING.

THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID. AND I'M PRETTY MUCH OF THE MINDSET THAT WHATEVER BUILDING WE BUILD OVER BY THE OTHER WATER TOWER NEEDS TO BE NOTHING BUT A BUILDING THAT'S DEDICATED TO EQUIPMENT AND MAINTENANCE AND ALL THE OTHER FUNCTIONS THAT WE PUT UNDER THIS UMBRELLA OF PUBLIC WORKS WITH HAVE TO DO WITH PLATTING AND ALL THOSE KIND OF FUNCTIONS OR ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS THAT EITHER NEED TO GO IN THIS BUILDING.

WHAT'S WHEN HOWEVER WE RECONFIGURE IT OR IN THE NEW ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING.

OKAY. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE TO GO INTO THE BUILDING BY THE PUMP STATION, SUCH AS SHOWERS, WASHING MACHINES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

BUT ANYWAY, IS I GUESS WHAT I'M REALLY ASKING AT THIS POINT IS FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, IS IT PUBLIC WORKS? YEAH, I THINK WE ALL AGREED ON THAT. SURE. OKAY.

NOW WE NEED GARY. WE NEED GARY FOR THAT. I WOULD ASSUME WE NEED BOBBY.

HE IS THE WATER SUPERINTENDENT. DO WE NEED DYLAN? HE'S THE. THE. I DON'T BELIEVE SO, MA'AM. OKAY.

WE NEED OUR ENGINEER TO ADVISE US ON BUILDING IN COST.

IF HE CAN. I'M ASKING, WHO DO Y'ALL WANT HERE FOR THE NEXT MEETING? WELL, THE ENGINEER IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL US THE COST AT THE MEETING.

SO I THINK WHATEVER WE OUTPUT FROM THE MEETING JUST NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THEM SO THEY CAN COME BACK WITH A NUMBER.

IF THE FUNCTION OF THE ENGINEER IS TO ADVISE US ON WHAT THE WHAT THE BUILDING NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AND SERVE US IN TERMS OF SERVICES, WHAT IT NEEDS TO ACCOMPLISH, PROVIDE FOR US IN TERMS OF USE UTILITY.

UTILITY IS THE BEST WORD. WHAT THE BUILDING NEEDS TO PROVIDE FOR US IN TERMS OF UTILITY. THEN INVITE THE ENGINEER. THE ENGINEER IS NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO THE UTILITY OF THE BUILDING THEN. HE MAY SPEAK TO THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AT THE.

AT ONE POINT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT BEING TWO STORY AT ANOTHER FOR STORAGE UP UPSTAIRS.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST ASKING. WHAT I WANT IS EVERYBODY TO BE HERE THAT YOU NEED SO THAT IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, YOU GET IT ANSWERED. IF YOU DON'T THINK WE NEED THE ENGINEER, THEN WE DON'T NEED THE ENGINEER.

I'M FINE WITH IT BEING HERE. OKAY. OKAY. GARY.

BOBBY. WHO ELSE? WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSION PREVIOUSLY, I HATE STARTING THIS ALL OVER AND DOING THIS ALL OVER AGAIN.

BUT WITH THE WATER TOWER AND THEN THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, AND WE WERE FUNNELING AROUND OPTIONS WITH THAT, AND THEN WE STOPPED. SO I'D LIKE TO PICK THAT UP AGAIN TO SEE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC, IF WE GO AHEAD.

THE DISCUSSION NEEDS TO BE HAD AGAIN. DO WE GO AHEAD WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS BY ITSELF AND KEEP IT OUT OF THE BOND FOR A NEW CITY HALL? THAT THAT DISCUSSION HAS TO BE HAD. SO I THINK WE CAN DO IT THAT NIGHT AS WELL.

OKAY. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, I THINK ON THE JULY 7TH AGENDA IS THE WATER TOWER, BECAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE

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I THINK WE WERE PLANNING ON THE 21ST TO CONTINUE TALKING ABOUT.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. WELL, AND I THINK OUR MAIN ISSUE WITH THE WATER TOWER IS FUNDING OF IT VERSUS THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING.

AND HOW DO WE JUGGLE THAT? WELL, THE, WHAT TO ME, THE WATER TOWER IS NOT A PART OF THIS.

IT'S NOT A BUILDING. WELL, IT'S NOT A BUILDING.

BUT THE FINANCE DOES PLAY INTO THIS. WELL, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE EVERYTHING BUT THE FUNDING FOR THE WATER TOWER. AS I REMEMBER IT. DESIGN'S PRETTY MUCH ALL SHORED UP.

WE'RE ABOUT TO BE SUBMITTING A GRANT WITH YOUR AUTHORIZATION FOR THE FULL COST OF IT.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, JUST THE FINAL FUNDING PACKAGE.

AND WE HAVE NOT YET SET AN ADDITIONAL WATER TOWER FUNDING COMMITTEE MEETING YET.

I THINK TO BILLY'S POINT, WHAT HE'S SAYING IS BECAUSE THE WORKS BUILDING COULD POTENTIALLY BE IN THE SAME REVENUE BOND THAT THAT IS AN ESSENTIAL INGREDIENT OF THAT DISCUSSION.

YEAH. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE POWERS THAT BE THAT THE WATER TOWER NEEDS TO HAPPEN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, THAT IT IS BECOMING A CRITICAL. NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT DELAYING IT.

WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT FIGURING OUT HOW BEST TO FUND IT IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT.

YEAH. YEAH. I WAS JUST POINTING OUT THAT THE BONDS CAN ONLY OCCUR ON UNIFORM DATES, WHICH MEANS NOVEMBER AND MAY, NOVEMBER, MAY.

AND THAT THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS WE'VE GOT A WATER TOWER THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN PRETTY QUICKLY.

WHEN IS THE LAST DATE OF THE NOVEMBER ELECTION? IF WE WERE GOING TO DO A BOND ON THE NOVEMBER ELECTION. THAT WILL BE FOR A GO.

YEAH. YEAH, WE CAN DO IT. YEAH, WE CAN DO IT WITH THE G THE CO.

RIGHT. WE CAN DO THE WATER TOWER AND THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING TOO, RIGHT? YEAH. OR WILL THIS PRESENTATION THE CO BOND.

RIGHT. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY, FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS MEETING.

I'VE GOT GARY, BOBBY AND GRANT. WHO ELSE? AND OF COURSE, KENT WILL BE HERE.

ANYBODY ELSE THAT Y'ALL CAN THINK OF THAT YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS OF? BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I WANT WHOEVER YOU NEED TO ASK TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, TO HAVE THEM HERE.

OKAY. THAT'S IT. OKAY. WHEN DO YOU WANT TO MEET AGAIN? YOU'VE GOT THE INFORMATION THAT FROM THAT POLL, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK ANY OF THOSE DATES WERE THAT FAR OUT IN ADVANCE.

I THINK THEY WERE ALL GENERALLY CLUSTERED AROUND THIS TIME FRAME.

SO WE'D HAVE TO SEND OUT A NEW POLL OR POTENTIALLY ROPE THAT IN ON THE 21ST COUNCIL MEETING, SO. JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE AS A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE WE WERE PLANNING ON TALKING ABOUT THE WATER TOWER ON THE 21ST ANYWAY.

SO IF YOU WANTED TO ADD THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY AS WELL.

ACTUALLY WOULD WORK. THERE'S A WORKSHOP BEFOREHAND.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY. I WASN'T FOLLOWING YOU THERE FOR A MINUTE.

OKAY. IF YOU NEED TO GET IT DONE BEFORE THEN WE CAN PICK ANOTHER DAY.

JUST LET US KNOW. ALSO NOTE I WILL BE OUT. I KNOW YOU WILL BE OUT.

I NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SUPER QUORUM FOR THAT MEETING, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING FINANCE, GOTTA HAVE A QUORUM. HOW ABOUT THAT? ARE YOU ON THE 21ST? YEAH. WELL, IF. LET ME LET ME THROW THIS OUT HERE.

IF WE'RE JUST WANTING TO PICK UP THE BALL ON WHERE THE DISCUSSION LEFT OFF LAST TIME WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. IF WE WANT TO GET SOME QUOTES ON UPDATED NEED ASSESSMENTS, OR IF YOU WANTED US TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE ADDITIONAL RESEARCH FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, WHICH IS A PART OF WHERE WE LEFT OFF, THEN I THINK THAT'S GOING TO NEED SOME MORE TIME.

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IF WE'RE GOING OUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR A CO AT THAT MEETING, THEN I NEED A SUPER QUORUM.

AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT DARYL WAS GOING TO BE IN TOWN.

OKAY. YEAH. OKAY.

21ST IS LOOKING GOOD. WE CAN ALWAYS JUST DIAL YOU IN FROM WHEREVER YOU WILL BE.

OBVIOUSLY. TWO IN THE MORNING. TWO IN THE MORNING.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A PERSONAL PROBLEM. NO. IF THIS GIG PAID SLIGHTLY MORE, THAT MIGHT BE AN INCENTIVE, BUT I. DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE WILLING TO DOUBLE IT.

YEAH, IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO BUY A PINT.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT Y'ALL CAN THINK OF THAT YOU WANT FOR THE NEXT MEETING? GO AHEAD. I'D LIKE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL BOND PACKAGE FOR MAY ELECTIONS.

I WOULD LIKE A CALENDAR OF WHAT IT TAKES BUILDING UP TO THAT.

BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO START SCHEDULING SOME TOWN HALL MEETINGS FOR THE PUBLIC, NUMBER ONE, TO BE EDUCATED AND MAYBE ANOTHER ONE PRIOR TO THAT FOR INPUT.

I THINK IF WE HAD A CALENDAR, WE COULD START FITTING SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN AND WE HAVE SOME TARGET DATES TO KEEP THIS UP AND RUNNING AND TO GET IT FOR THE NEXT MAY ELECTION.

AND YOU'RE PRESUMING IN THE EVENT OF A GO BOND SPECIFICALLY, AND JUST BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WHERE IT MIGHT END UP, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE AWARE OF THE CALENDAR. YES.

OKAY. OKAY. DID YOU HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY FULLY FIT INTO THE WAY THE DISCUSSION WENT TONIGHT.

SO MAYBE AT A FUTURE MEETING. SORRY, IT JUST IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GERMANE.

DIDN'T MEAN THAT AS A AS A CRITICISM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

DELICATELY WORDED. YEAH. OKAY. MADAM MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A SUGGESTION FOR HOW WE KIND OF PROCEED ON THIS.

SO WE START OUT WITH THIS PUBLIC WORKS DISCUSSION, AND WE'RE GOING TO FUNDAMENTALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF FUNCTIONS ARE GOING TO GO OVER AT THE WATER TOWER SITE AND WHAT FUNCTIONS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE. I WOULD SUGGEST THE SECOND PHASE WE MOVE TO AFTER THAT THEN IS GOING TO BE, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE? WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS FOR IT? BECAUSE ONCE WE'VE DETERMINED WHAT'S GOING TO GO OVER AT THE WATER TOWER AND WHAT MIGHT FUNCTIONALLY FIT IN HERE, FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE ISSUE.

I NAMED FOUR BUILDINGS THAT'S GOING TO LEAVE ALL THE OTHER FUNCTIONS TO FIT IN THE NEW BUILDING.

AND THAT'S HOW WE DETERMINE WHAT THE NEW BUILDING IS IN SIZE AND SCOPE AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

SO WE'VE GOT TO FIRST GET SOME REASONABLE OPTIONS FOR WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THIS BUILDING AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO WITH IT IS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE NEW BUILDING. EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO WITH IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON DOING IN A NEW BUILDING.

SO THE FIRST IS PUBLIC WORKS. THEN THE SECOND IS THIS BUILDING, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

OKAY. DOES THAT WORK? YEP. OKAY. I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN MEET FAIRLY REGULARLY BECAUSE.

AND IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A MAY ELECTION, WE HAVE TO BE COMPLETE BY THE END OF FEBRUARY OR ACTUALLY FEBRUARY 18TH, SOMETHING WHERE AND THERE.

WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO GET TO BOND COUNCIL ABOUT THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.

SO TO GIVE THEM TIME TO DO WHATEVER IT IS, BONDING, YOU KNOW, TO DO THEIR PROCESS.

BUT A CALENDAR WILL TRY TO GET A CALENDAR TOGETHER.

OKAY, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK ONCE WE HAVE ALL THIS PUT TOGETHER, I THINK I'D ALSO LIKE TO DISCUSS HAVING SOME TYPE OF CONSULTANT TO HELP US SELL THIS PACKAGE AND EDUCATE OUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE COMMUNICATION ISSUES.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO. WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS YOUR IDEA? SURE. LET ME PUT THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

SO I HAD ENVISIONED A LITTLE BIT MORE. I THINK THERE WAS SOME JUST SOME GENERAL MISCOMMUNICATION HERE THAT WE WOULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DEFINING THE NEED.

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AND SO ONE OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE IF WE'RE STARTING OFF THIS KICKING, KICKING IT OFF, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY VALUING OUR COMMUNITY'S NEEDS AND WE WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT AND WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ENGAGEMENT.

AND OUR STAFF JUST ISN'T REALLY BUILT RIGHT NOW TO BE HANDS ON WITH THAT.

SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO GO AHEAD AND ENGAGE WITH THE CONSULTANT FROM THE GET GO TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION STRATEGY FOR HOW WE GO ABOUT THIS PROCESS.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, OBVIOUSLY.

OKAY, CAN COUNCIL GIVE STAFF DIRECTION? I LOVE THAT IDEA.

CAN WE GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT WHAT WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND WHAT THE COST WOULD BE, AND GET THAT BACK TO Y'ALL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

OKAY, BUDDY. YEP. OKAY. YOU'VE GOT YOUR STAFF DIRECTION.

PLEASE DO THAT. OKAY. ANYTHING FURTHER FROM ANYBODY? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ROXANNE. YOU WERE JUST KIND OF.

YOU'RE FOCUSED ON THE GO BOND. ARE YOU EXPRESSING A PREFERENCE FOR THE GO BOND OVER THE CO OR IT'S JUST TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER SPECIFICALLY THAT? I THINK THAT HAS THE TIME CONSTRAINTS. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WAS LOOKING FOR THE CALENDAR TO MAKE SOME OF THESE OTHER PIECES FIT.

BUT NO, I'M NOT SET ON ANY ONE TYPE OF FINANCING AT ALL.

THAT'S COMPLETELY OPEN TO DISCUSSION FOR THAT.

THERE IS I, I WANT TO HAVE THE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE COULD DO ALL OF THIS ON A CO AND NOT GO OUT AND GET ANY.

WE COULD MAKE THAT DECISION RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW AND NOT REALLY GIVE THE PUBLIC.

AND THAT LOOKS BAD. IT HAS LOOKED BAD IN NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY.

AND SO I HAVE BEEN THROUGH A GO AND A CO AND THERE THE TOOLS ARE DIFFERENT.

AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE AS MUCH BUY IN AS POSSIBLE.

AND SHE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THERE'S, THERE'S A TIMELINE THAT YOU REALLY GET PRESSED UP AGAINST.

AND SO I THINK JUST GETTING AHEAD OF THAT. OKAY, FOR FACILITIES, YOU HAVE TO DO A GO.

A CO IS NOT AN OPTION. IT IS AN OPTION FOR A WATER TOWER.

DON'T ASK ME HOW. WE ASKED THE EXPERT. THAT WAS A GRANT BROUGHT IN SPECIFICALLY THIS QUESTION.

AND HE SAID THE CO WOULD FUND THE CITY FACILITIES.

NO, SO IT CAN FUND CERTAIN FACILITIES LIKE STREETS, ROADS, BUT EVEN LIST OF POLICE STATIONS, FIRE STATIONS, OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES.

BUT AS FAR AS MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, CITY HALL TYPE I THINK THAT HE RECOMMENDED LIKE LEGAL ADVICE ON THAT, BUT I THINK HE WAS LEANING MORE TOWARDS I KNOW.

I'D LIKE TO NOT GET SUED AGAIN. I'D LIKE TO NOT GET SUED AGAIN.

YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. IF NOT, LET ME SEE WHAT TIME. WE ARE ADJOURNED. IT IS 8:13.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.