Jun 11, 2026 Planning & Zoning

[ CALL TO ORDER]

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IT'S NOW 5 O'CLOCK AND IT'S JUNE 11TH, 2026, AND IT'S TIME FOR THE PARKER PLANNING AND ZONING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. TONIGHT WE ARE GOING TO ADD A COUPLE OF ALTERNATES TO OUR VOTING BOARD HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. WE HAVE RUSSELL WRIGHT, JOE LOZANO, LUCY ESTABROOK, SUSAN MEDRANO AND JASMIN SATURIA HERE.

AND SO SUSAN AND JASMIN WILL BE PLUGGING IN FOR THE VOTING MEMBERS. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL START WITH OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG; I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND AND INDIVISIBLE.

[ PUBLIC COMMENTS (Part 1 of 2)]

OKAY, ALAN IS ALAN, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY. ALAN MEYER, 7278 MOSS RIDGE ROAD. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MCCRARY MEADOWS ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

AS MOST OF YOU MAY VERY WELL KNOW, MOSS RIDGE, WHERE I LIVE, IS WE HAVE HAD LOTS OF ISSUES OVER THE YEARS IN TERMS OF FLOODING. SINCE THE MCCRARY MEADOWS DEVELOPMENT HAS TAKEN PLACE, OUR FLOODING HAS INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY OVER THE RECENT RAINFALLS. I CAN SHOW YOU A VIDEO.

I HAVE LIKE A RIVER THAT GOES THROUGH MY PROPERTY AND ALSO GOES AROUND AND IT GOES OVER THE STREETS IN MCCREARY AND IS NOT CONTAINED. WHAT I REALLY BELIEVE NEEDS TO BE PERFORMED BY THE DEVELOPERS OF MCCREARY MEADOW IS THEY SHOULD BE BUILDING A BERM THAT SEPARATES MCCREARY MEADOWS FROM MOSS RIDGE AND DIRECTING THE WATER TO THE BACK OF THE AREA OF MCCREARY MEADOWS AWAY FROM THE MCCREARY ROAD AND BUILDING ACTUALLY MAYBE A RETAINING POND WHERE THE WATER WOULD GO INTO, AND THAT WOULD PREVENT WATER FROM COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH EVENTUALLY SEEPS INTO I FORGET THE ONE TO THE SOUTH OF US ON MCCREARY ROAD.

BUT IT'S A PROBLEM.

AND IT BEFORE MCCREARY MEADOWS DEVELOPER ADDS ANYTHING ELSE, IN TERMS OF DOES ANY OTHER GRADING THAT NEEDS TO BE PERFORMED, THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED. THANK YOU.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

OKAY, THE FIRST ITEM ON THE

[1. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR MAY 28, 2026.]

I WILL.

TELL YOU WHAT, WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR YOU TO DO THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY 28TH. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ADDITIONS? WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THEM AS WRITTEN? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES. OKAY, ALL

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THERE WERE NO MINUTES INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. THEY WEREN'T PROVIDED. THEY WEREN'T PROVIDED.

WAIT, THE SECRETARY YEAH, THE SECRETARY HASN'T COMPLETED THEM YET. OKAY. I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT I HAD ACTUALLY SEEN THOSE, BUT MAYBE A PRELIMINARY COPY OR SOMETHING.

THERE'S A LINK, BUT THE LINK GOES, I THINK, TO NO PLACE. WELL, IN THAT CASE, WE WILL REVISE THAT TO SAY THAT WHAT I THOUGHT WE HAD WERE MEETING MINUTES ARE NOT THOSE MEETING MINUTES. SO WE WILL PUT THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

[ PUBLIC COMMENTS (Part 2 of 2)]

OKAY, MISS, MISS ALI. OKAY, PLEASE COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YES, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS MS. KAULALI.

I AM THE HOMEOWNER TO THE PARKER HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TODAY. I'M NOT SURE THE NAME OF IT. I THINK IT'S MEADOW CREEK.

YES. AS MUCH AS I'M EXCITED THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NEIGHBORS, IN SOME WAYS I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THAT BEFORE I MOVED HERE WHEN THEY STARTED LAYING OUT SOME DIRT TO BUILD UP THE, THE EMPTY LOT. I'M HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEM WITH FLOODING COMING INTO MY PROPERTY, AND I HAVE SOME VIDEOS AS WELL WITH THE CURRENT RAIN THAT JUST HAPPENED.

IT WAS REALLY BAD. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOU GUYS' ATTENTION SINCE I SIT ON THE PROPERTY.

YOU GUYS ARE NOT ABLE TO SEE THIS FROM THE ANGLE WHERE YOU GUYS I'M LIVING IN THERE, I GET TO SEE IT I HAVE VIDEOS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE ABOUT THAT IF WE CONTINUE TO PASS THIS. OKAY, WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? 6804 EAST PARKER ROAD, PARKER, TEXAS. OKAY, SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO WELL, LET'S

[3. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON MCCREARY MEADOWS FINAL PLAT. ]

SO, FROM WHAT I KNOW, WE HAVE AN ENGINEERING LETTER IN OUR PACKETS HERE, AND THERE ARE STILL QUITE A NUMBER OF OUTSTANDING ITEMS ON THAT PACKET BY STAFF.

OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD.

AFTERNOON, I'M DYLAN MORISSETTE WITH THE CITY, IN CASE ANYONE HASN'T MET ME BEFORE. SO I'M JUST GOING TO WALK YOU ALL THROUGH BASICALLY WHAT YOU SEE ON SCREEN, OKAY? CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND SKIP THAT FOR ME? NEXT ONE, PLEASE. OKAY, SO WE HAVE THE MCCRUYA MEADOWS FINAL PLAT THE OVERVIEW IS WITH OUR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 03, CONSIDERATION AND, OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON MERCURIAL MEADOWS FINAL PLAT ACCEPTANCE.

THE DESCRIPTION OF THIS IS 46.654 ACRES OUT OF THE SQUIRE T. LEWIS SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 529, IN THE CITY OF PARKER, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS.

THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST: THE PLAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE SUBDIVISION, SUBDIVISION, AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF 39 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOME SITES, ALL 1 ACRE OR LARGER IN SIZE. MCCLEARY MEADOWS FINAL PLAT SUMMARY AND RECOMMENDATION. ADMINISTRATIVE MINISTERIAL CONSIDERATION ITEM.

COMMISSIONERS MUST TAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO EITHER APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, OR DENY.

RECOMMENDATION: STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, OF TO CITY COUNCIL ON THE MCCURRY MEADOWS FINAL PLAT FOR THE FOLLOWING DEFICIENCIES: CONSTRUCTION NOT YET COMPLETE, ALL ITEMS IN THE 6/9/2026 ENGINEERING LETTER MUST BE FULLY RESOLVED. I REMEMBER WHEN THIS FIRST CAME IN FOR APPROVAL FOR THE INITIAL PLAT,

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HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THE VIDEO AND STUFF FROM I MEAN, I KNOW THERE WAS A FLOODING ISSUE OVER THERE BEFORE THAT YOU WEREN'T TRYING TO SOLVE HERE, BUT THERE WAS IT DID GET DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAUGHT THE ENGINEERING SHOWS THAT IT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD ANY IMPACT, ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT. IT ACTUALLY SHOULD HAVE IMPROVED DRAINAGE GOING INTO MOSS RIDGE FROM THAT AREA OF CONSTRUCTION. NOW WHETHER THAT'S THE ACTUAL CASE OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT THAT'S WHAT THE ENGINEERING AND THE MODELING THEIR ENGINEERS HAVE DESIGNED IT THAT WAY. OUR ENGINEERS HAVE VERIFIED THAT THAT DESIGN LOOKS LIKE IT SHOULD WORK. DO WE KNOW THAT I MEAN, IS ALL THE GRADING CORRECT RIGHT NOW? DO WE KNOW? WE HAVE FINAL GRADING? WE DON'T HAVE FINAL SURVEYS ON ANY OF THAT YET.

OKAY, SO WE REALLY DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, WE HAVE A PLAN THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD, BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW FOR SURE YET IF THE FINAL IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT PLAN IS EVEN GOOD YET, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY.

OKAY. YEAH, PLEASE COME ON.

THE GRADING IS CORRECT.

WE'VE SENT IN AS-BUILTS TO THE CITY. WE VERIFIED GRADES. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME RAINS.

WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE MULTIPLE TIMES. ANYTIME THERE'S A RAIN, WE REGRADE IT, REINSPECT, REGRADE, REVERIFY. IT'S GOING TO BE A CONSTRUCTION SITE FOR THE NEXT 4 OR 5 YEARS.

THE HOUSE WILL BE BUILT, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE CONSTANT REGRADING, READJUSTING. BUT AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE GOES, THERE WAS ABOUT 10 ACRES THAT WENT INTO THERE'S A LITTLE OUTFALL CREEK INTO MOSS RIDGE. THERE'S ABOUT 10 ACRES, ABOUT 27 CFS, SO THAT'S CUBIC FEET PER SECOND GOING INTO THAT SUBDIVISION.

THAT 10-ACRE AREA I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN STEP UP HERE BASICALLY THIS AREA HERE WENT DOWN INTO THIS BACKYARD AND WENT THIS WAY. WE NOW HAVE ONLY 2.7 ACRES GOING TO THAT AREA? IT'S ABOUT 50% OF THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S GOING THERE.

WE BUILT A LITTLE CHANNEL, A BERM BACK THERE TO CATCH THE WATER AND THEN BRING IT IN.

WE'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THAT NEIGHBOR THERE. WE HAVEN'T WE TALK TO HIM ALL THE TIME.

WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM HIM ON EXCESS WATER COMING IN. I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE RAINS WE'VE HAD RECENTLY ARE HAVE BEEN VERY EXCESSIVE RAINS. THIS ISN'T THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS IN DFW WITH RAIN.

I THINK IT'S VERY HARD TO JUDGE THIS RAIN VERSUS THAT RAIN AND DID THIS RAIN CAUSE MORE DAMAGE THAN THAT RAIN. WELL, RIGHT BEFORE WE GOT THERE, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN 2 YEARS OF SMALL RAINS. WE'VE HAD MASSIVE RAINS IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS.

SO BASED ON THE ENGINEERING THAT WE'VE DONE, THE CITY'S REVIEWED, WE'VE RECHECKED, DONE, PRESENTED TO YOU ALL, PRESENTED TO PRESENTED AT COUNCIL, OUR ENGINEERING IS CORRECT.

THE REASON WE'RE HERE ASKING FOR THIS PLAT IS NOT TO HAVE FINAL APPROVAL AND BUILD HOUSES NOW. IT'S TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO GO TO COUNCIL, HAVE ALL WE HAVE A 13-ITEM PUNCH LIST.

WE WALKED LAST WEEK. MY GUYS HAVE GOT MOST OF IT DONE. WE HAVE SOME CONCRETE PANELS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE SCHEDULED AND BE DONE BEFORE COUNCIL. OUR GOAL IS TO COME HERE TONIGHT AND HAVE EVERYTHING DONE AND READY TO GO BEFORE COUNCIL. IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, I'M GONNA BE DONE NEXT WEEK MAYBE, AND THEN I WILL CAN'T SEE Y'ALL TILL LATER THIS SUMMER.

THEN I CAN'T SEE COUNCIL TILL AUGUST, AND I HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S COMPLETE THAT I CAN'T FILE A PLAT, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING CONSTRUCTION JUST SIT OUT THERE FOR THE SUMMER, I REQUESTED THAT I COULD COME TO Y'ALL BEFORE Y'ALL GET A RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER IT'S A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH A CONDITION THAT THEY HAVE ALL ITEMS COMPLETE ON THE PUNCH LIST AND GARY'S LOOKED AT THE ENGINEERING PLANS AND THE ENGINEERING SIGNED OFF ON THE LETTER. THE LETTER IS AN ENGINEERING LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED ON THE 9TH, SO TODAY'S THE 11TH.

WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE. I'M NOT EVEN 100% SURE WHICH ENGINEERING LETTER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER THAN THE PUNCH LIST. OH, I HAVE THE PUNCH LIST.

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THERE'S SOME CONCRETE PANELS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED.

THOSE ARE SCHEDULED, BUT EVERYTHING SHOULD BE DONE BEFORE COUNCIL. WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL THAT IF I'M COMPLETED THE 2 ITEMS THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED NOW FOR THE COUNCIL CAN APPROVE ME.

IF NOT, I HAVE TO COME BACK AND SEE Y'ALL, THEN GO BACK TO COUNCIL.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR, JUST A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, NOT A FULL APPROVAL. DENIAL JUST MAKES ME SIT HERE AND WAIT, AND I'LL BE DONE NEXT WEEK OR IN 10 DAYS OR SO.

YES. I CAN RECHECK THE ENGINEERING. WE CAN LOOK AT THE AS-BUILT PLANS.

WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THOSE AND SEE IF THEY MATCH THE DESIGN, THE ONES THAT WERE SUBMITTED IN PRE. WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO DO THAT YET. YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, THE ONE THING, YOU KNOW, THOSE OF US SITTING UP HERE HAVE SEEN THIS FOR MANY YEARS, RIGHT? AND THE THING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS WE DON'T WANT TO GET SOMETHING MOVING ALONG WHERE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INCREASED FLOODING PROBLEM FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND SO WE NEED TO BE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THE ENGINEERING IS CORRECT AND THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF UNHAPPY PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE PUT A BERM IN SOMEWHERE AND DIVERTED SOME WATER SOMEWHERE ELSE OR SOMETHING. AT THIS POINT IN TIME. I CAN'T REALLY DIVERT WATER INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS.

YEAH, YEAH, THERE'S ONE LOCATION THAT THE WATER'S GOING. THAT'S THE ONE PLACE I CAN GO WITH THE WATER. I CAN'T I KNOW SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORS THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO, I CAN'T JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN SHOOT A BUNCH OF WATER INTO HIS BACKYARD.

SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE TOOK A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF WATER AND REDIRECTED IT NORTH. SO IF Y'ALL WERE HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF FULLY EXPLAIN THIS WHEN I FIRST CAME FOR THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AGO. WE ACTUALLY TOOK MOST OF THE SITE, WE STUDIED THE CREEK NORTH OF US, STUDIED ALL THE WAY NORTH A COUPLE MILES, AND DETERMINED THAT WE COULD TAKE WATER FROM MOSS RIDGE THAT WAS ALREADY GOING TO MOSS RIDGE AND SEND IT NORTH.

SO WE TOOK A TON OF THAT WATER, REGRADED THE SITE, LIFTED IT UP, AND TOOK ALL THAT WATER NORTH.

INTO THE CREEK, AND IT WORKED THAT WAY. WE'RE INCREASING THE WATER THAT'S GOING INTO THE CREEK UP THERE, BUT IT'S ALLOWED BECAUSE OF TIMING, BECAUSE OF THE CULVERTS THAT GO ALONG THE BRIDGES AND EVERYTHING.

BY THE TIME A RAIN HITS, YOU KNOW, 2 MILES WEST AND GETS DOWN THAT CREEK, OUR WATER'S IN AND OUT. SO WHAT WE DID WAS TRY TO TAKE MOST OF THE WATER THAT WAS GOING TO MOSS RIDGE AND PUSH IT ALL NORTH. WE TOOK A VERY SMALL SECTION INTO THE AREA THAT IT WAS ALREADY GOING AND LEFT IT GOING THERE.

SO THE ENGINEERING HAS BEEN DONE BY OUR ENGINEERS. IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THE CITY. WE HAVE GRADE VERIFICATIONS AND OVER THE NEXT THOSE WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY AND BY THE TIME OF COUNCIL, THOSE WILL BE REVIEWED BY STAFF AND THAT WILL CLEAR THE LETTER.

THAT'S CORRECT, COMMISSIONER.

THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR DENIAL. JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION HERE THOUGH, THE DENIAL WOULD NOT MAKE THIS PROCESS STOP.

THAT RECOMMENDATION FOR NOW WOULD GO TO CITY COUNCIL, AND WE'RE PLANNING TO GET THIS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 7TH. SO WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS SO THAT THEY GET THEIR TIME IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT IS A TIGHT WINDOW TO I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS WAS. I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS GETTING A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL UNTIL A COUPLE SECONDS AGO, SO I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO GET A CONDITIONAL.

YEAH, SO, SO REALLY, THE, YOU KNOW, WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AND ACTUALLY THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE ONE WHO MAKES THE FINAL DECISION. SO FOR THE, FOR THE PLAT, FOR YOU MEAN 4 OUT OF 5 COUNCIL MEMBERS? NO, NOT NECESSARILY.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE RULES TOO AS I GO.

OKAY, WELL, I DROVE BY THERE THIS AFTERNOON AND SOME OF YOUR SILK FENCING NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED, ESPECIALLY IN THESE SWALES. AND THAT GROUP OF GUYS WORKING ON THAT? YEAH, YOU GOT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WORKING NOW. YES, SIR.

THEY'RE ALSO RESEEDING THE PROPERTY, IT LOOKS LIKE.

BUT JUST TO GO OVER THE PLAT, ON YOUR PLAT, THE DATE IS, MISSING. WELL, YOU'VE GOT MAY 2026.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE DAY THAT THIS PLAT WAS MADE. THAT WAS, THAT WAS PROBABLY PRIMARY PLAT DATE THAT IT WAS MADE. WILL YOU MAKE THAT NOTE? ALSO,

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MOST PLOTS THAT WE SEE, THEY INCLUDE THOSE. WE SUBMITTED THOSE TO THE CITY, AND WE THOUGHT WE'D ADDRESSED ALL OF OUR COMMENTS. YOU CAN SEE HERE THERE'S NO YOU ONLY GOT YOUR OH, THAT'S THE VICINITY.

THAT'S THE VICINITY. WELL, EVEN ON THE PLAT, YOU DON'T SHOW ANY OF THE STREETS THAT ARE SURROUNDING IT. YOU CAUGHT SOMETHING WE ALL MISSED.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE LOCATION OF EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAYS. I GUESS THEY'RE ON THERE. OKAY.

AND THEN THE VICINITY MAP, I MENTIONED THAT. I'VE GOT A QUESTION ON THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY. YOU HAVE ACREAGE IS DIFFERENT, I THINK.

THOSE ARE THE VIEWS OF THE OTHER PLANT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT. SEE HERE.

YEAH, THAT WOULD BE NEWS TO ME IF OUR ACREAGE WAS WRONG.

OKAY, YOU GOT 46.64. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE OTHER ONE THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT. YEAH, I GUESS IT WAS.

OKAY, LET'S CONTINUE ON MY LIST HERE. WELL, I GUESS THAT WAS IT. OKAY.

WELL, WE TOOK NOTE OF THOSE.

OKAY. THEY'RE CORRECTED.

EVERYBODY SIGNS IT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, SO, SO RIGHT NOW WE KNOW THAT, MR. CHAIR, I WILL SAY THAT OUR CITY ENGINEER REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE AS WELL IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR HIM, ANYTHING TECHNICAL IN DETAIL.

OKAY, SO ON THE MOSS RIDGE FLOODING, SO WHAT, WHAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW IS WE'VE GOT A LOT OF SATURATED LAND AROUND HERE FROM A LOT OF RAINS RECENTLY.

WE'VE GOT SOME I MEAN, AS I UNDERSTAND, WE'VE HAD SOME RAINS IN EXCESS OF WHAT, 3, 3.5 INCHES AN HOUR RECENTLY. I MEAN, I'VE SEEN KIND OF FLOODING ON MY WHERE I LIVE AS WELL.

BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO VERIFY THAT EVERYTHING IS RIGHT. AND I KNOW, GARY, I KNOW YOU AND YOUR TEAM WILL GET THAT DONE. SO I KNOW THAT WILL BE DONE.

BUT WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO CAUSE ANY OTHER GRIEF FOR ANYBODY WITH THIS THING MOVING FORWARD.

SO, YEAH, SO FROM THE PMZ PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS FINAL APPROVAL. SO EVEN IF WE BASICALLY RECOMMEND DENIAL RIGHT NOW, WHEN IT COMES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, THEY CAN, THEY CAN CHANGE THAT.

IT'S TOTALLY UP TO THEM.

BUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE STANDARD THING THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY DO IS BASED ON, BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, WHAT WE HAVE FROM IT FROM A DOCUMENTATION PUNCH LIST PERSPECTIVE. WE WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND DENIAL, AND THEN IF WE NEED TO REVISIT IT, WE WILL.

BUT IT MAY BE UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO DECIDE AT THAT POINT IN TIME IF IT'S REALLY IF IT'S REALLY READY.

SO IT'S I MEAN, WE COULD RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL AFTER, YOU KNOW, IF ALL THIS STUFF IS MET, BUT I'M ACTUALLY VERY CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE GET THE CITY'S VERIFICATION ON ALL OF THE GRADING AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE WATER FLOW BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. I FORGOT TO MENTION ONE OTHER THING ON THE PLAT.

ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, YOU HAD ZETA STRENGTH, AND ON THE FINAL PLAT, AND NOW IT'S ZAYDA BETH. SO I

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YES, WE'VE DONE ALL THAT.

OKAY, ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY, OKAY.

I, BASED ON THE ENGINEERING REPORTS, I, AND THEN RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT FOR ITEM NUMBER 3, THAT PERMIT PERIOD 3/7 TO 9/5. I'LL SECOND THAT.

OKAY, OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? OKAY. SO LIKE I SAID, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT CITY COUNCIL CAN'T DECIDE TO CHANGE THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW FROM WHAT WE HAVE, WE CAN'T IN OUR HEARTS DO THIS.

OKAY. OKAY, ON TO NOW, ITEM NUMBER 2, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY

[2. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON GREEN MEADOWS PRELIMINARY PLAT.]

HOWDY, I'M BACK.

SO I'LL KIND OF EXPLAIN WHERE THE AREA OF THIS ONE IS TOO, JUST FOR ANYBODY WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PARKER ROAD, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE WEST SIDE OF MCCURRY.

IT'S A MAIN ENTRANCE AND EXIT WOULD BE OFF PARKER ROAD.

OKAY, SO LET'S GO OVER GREEN MEADOWS PRELIMINARY PLAT, THEIR REVIEW. THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2, CONSIDERATION AND, OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON GREEN MEADOWS PRELIMINARY PLAT.

DESCRIPTION IS 28.525 ACRES OUT OF THE RICHARD SPARKS SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 850, IN THE CITY OF PARKER.

COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS. THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST IS THE PLAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE SUBDIVISION AND DEVELOPMENT OF 12 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOME SITES, ALL 2 ACRES OR LARGER IN SIZE.

THE HISTORY OF SUBMISSION: THE PLAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED IN MARCH, REVIEWED 5/11/26 PRIOR TO SUBSEQUENT P&Z AND PULLED FROM MONTHLY DOCKET. THERE WAS A 30-DAY EXTENSION OR WAIVER LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND APPROVED. OKAY, THE ADMINISTRATIVE MINISTER MINISTERIAL CAN'T SAY THAT.

CONSIDERATION ITEM: COMMISSIONERS MUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO EITHER APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, OR DENY.

RECOMMENDATION: THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF CONDITIONAL APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL ON THE GREEN MEADOWS PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE FOLLOWING DEFICIENCIES.

ALL ITEMS IN THIS MOST RECENT ENGINEERING LETTER DATED 5/11/26 MUST BE FULLY RESOLVED.

VARIANCES REQUESTED SHOULD INCLUDE THE CUL-DE-SAC LENGTH EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM 600-FOOT LENGTH, ALTERNATIVES TO MITIGATE DESIGN DEFICIENCIES NOT PROVIDED, GREATER OR LESS THAN 835 FEET TO FIRST CUL-DE-SAC, AND THERE'S AN ORDINANCE 155.052. TWO POINTS OF ACCESS HAVE NOT BEEN PROVIDED OR ALTERNATIVE DESIGN TO MITIGATE DESIGN DEFICIENCIES NOT ADDRESSED, ORDINANCE 155.049.

AND BUFFER YARDS AND SIDE BARRIERS ARE REQUIRED WHEN ABUTTING PROPERTIES LOCATED WITHIN ETJ.

ORDINANCE 155.062 AND 156.32.

COMMISSIONERS, I WILL JUST POINT OUT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS RECTIFIED THE ITEMS NUMBER 1 AND 2, THOSE VARIANCE REQUESTS.

SO THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. I LISTED ON THERE THAT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY DESIGN MITIGATION, IF THEY HAVE ADDRESSED THAT IN THE MOST RECENT VERSION. SO THERE IS A SPLIT LANE AT FRONT OF THE ROAD TO ADDRESS THAT, AND, GARY, YOU CAN PROBABLY BACK ME ON THIS ONE.

YEAH, SO THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS JUST SO UNCLEAR. I KNOW IT'S STRAIGHT ACROSS FROM LEWIS LANE. YOU KIND OF GO AROUND GOOD EVENING.

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SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS PROJECT, AND WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL.

ON THE VARIANCES THERE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH BHC ON GETTING ALL THE THAT'S THE COMMENTS RESOLVED. WE HAVE ONE MINOR ITEM WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN WE ALSO ON THE VARIANCES, WE'VE ADDED A DIVIDED ENTRANCE FOR MITIGATION ON OUR CUL-DE-SAC LENGTH AND ALSO TWO POINTS OF ACCESS. AND ON THE BUFFERS AND SIDE YARDS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON GETTING A FULL TREE SURVEY COMPLETED ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE. WE HAVE ABOUT A 20-FOOT STRIP THAT'S WOODED THERE THAT WILL BE REMAINING IN PLACE.

ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH IS ALSO ADJACENT TO ETJ AT THAT POINT, WE HAVE SOME 2-ACRE LOTS AND ALSO SOME AGRI SOME HORSE FARMS THAT ARE OVER ON THAT EAST SIDE THERE. THERE IS A TREE LINE. WE ARE LEAVING THAT TREE LINE IN PLACE.

OUR CURRENT PLANS, WE HAVE OUR DRAINAGE CHANNELS ARE RUNNING ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE AND THEN MOVING TOWARDS PARKER ROAD. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS MAY BE FOR BUFFERS THERE IF IT'S DECIDED THAT JUST THE EXISTING TREE LINE NEEDS TO BE AUGMENTED. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.

I KNOW A LOT OF QUESTIONS HAVE COME UP ABOUT DRAINAGE ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS, AND ESPECIALLY WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE ONE THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED. WE ARE GOING TO BUILD A DETENTION POND. OUR DRAINAGE GOES TOWARDS PARKER ROAD AND INTO THE TXDOT STORM SEWER SYSTEM.

SO UP IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER, WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING ON THE BACK OF LOTS I BELIEVE THAT'S 1 AND 2 AND PART OF LOT 3 A DETENTION POND. AND THEN WE ARE DIRECTLY CONNECTING THAT POND INTO THE TXDOT STORM SEWER SYSTEM. WE HAVE SUBMITTED PLANS, REPORTS TO TXDOT.

THEY HAVE APPROVED IT. AND WE'VE ALSO SUBMITTED THOSE SAME PLANS TO THE CITY ENGINEERS FOR THEIR REVIEW ALSO. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS FOR A WHILE.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS FOR ANYBODY, ANY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. WE ARE CONSTRUCTING A DRAINAGE CHANNEL ALONG THE PERIMETER THAT WILL RUN FROM THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. IT WILL GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PERIMETER GOING EAST AND THEN TO THE NORTH.

WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT THE RUNOFF FROM OUR SITE AND GET EVERYTHING WE CAN TO THAT DETENTION POND. SO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT GETTING THERE IS JUST GOING TO BE SMALL STRIPS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINES. SO BE MORE THAN WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

YES, WE HAVE. YES, BROOKS FARM IS IN THE CITY, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT A BUFFER THERE, BUT WE ARE LEAVING THE TREES ALONG THOSE PROPERTY LINES.

YES, WE HAVE A 20-FOOT STRIP THAT WE'RE LEAVING IN PLACE ON THAT SOUTH SIDE THAT WE WILL NOT BE DISTURBING.

I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE CONDITION THAT'S LEFT. THERE'S ANOTHER NOTE THAT SHOULD BE ADDED ON THE WHERE THE CONCRETE ARM LENGTH IS HAPPENING. WE NEED SOME QUANTITIES FOR DIMENSIONS.

OKAY. AND THEN THE COMMENT NUMBER 4 ON WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THE AREA BETWEEN THE PROPOSED AND EXISTING FENCES, WE NEED TO KNOW ON THE PLAT ON THAT. AND THEN THE VARIANCE REQUESTS, THERE'S ONLY 2 LISTED ON THE PLAT.

THERE NEEDS TO BE THE THIRD, OR, WHAT'S THE THIRD VARIANCE FOR? REVERSITRACKS. OKAY. SO IS THIS WORTH CORRECTING OR SOMETHING? THERE'S A COUPLE MINOR PUNCH SORRY, I'LL KEEP MY MIC YEAH.

YEAH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE SOME IN SOME OF THIS DRAINAGE AREA OR SOMETHING, WHO'S GOING TO ACTUALLY MAINTAIN THAT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF SAYING? THE DRAINAGE AREA, YES. NO, THE ONLY PLACE THAT I'M AWARE OF, AND THIS IS ONE I KIND OF HAVE ARGUED ABOUT WITH BHC ABOUT IT, IS THERE'S A FENCE IN BROOK FARM. THERE'S AN AREA WHERE THEIR FENCE IS NOT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

OUR FENCE HAS TO GO ON THE PROPERTY LINE, RIGHT? I

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RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE QUESTION.

OR FROM THE EAST SIDE, THERE'S LIKE A 7-FOOT GAP BETWEEN YOUR FENCE AND THEIR FENCE. IS THAT THE SAME? WELL, IF THERE'S A WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IF THERE'S A GAP AND I'M PUTTING A FENCE ON MY PROPERTY LINE, I CAN'T ON A PLAT TELL ANYBODY ELSE THEY'RE MAINTAINING AN AREA.

OKAY. I CAN ONLY DEFINE WHAT'S OCCURRING THAT MY PROPERTY OWNER CORRECT. ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK WE JUST NEED TO I CAN NOTE IT, BUT YOU'RE NOT YOU DON'T HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN IT IF THAT'S THE CASE.

OR IF YOU DO, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT AREA, THAT GAP AREA, IF IT'S NOT.

WELL, I CAN DO THAT BY LETTER, WHICH THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THE PROPERTY INDICATED WILL NEED TO BE THE ONES TO MAINTAIN IT. BUT ON A PLAT I ONLY CONTROL WHAT'S WITHIN MY BOUNDARIES.

I MEAN, I CAN SAY IT, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN SAY.

WE JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.

YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

SO, OKAY, SO, SO BASICALLY WE HAVE TWO ABUTTING FENCES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NO MAN'S LAND BETWEEN THEM, AND NO MAN'S LAND IS GOING TO BE ON THE, ON THE OTHER OWNER'S. THAT'S RIGHT, IT'S, IT'S THEIR PROPERTY. SO THAT WAY, WHATEVER THAT NO MAN'S LAND BETWEEN THE TWO FENCES IS, THEY WILL HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY I MEAN, LET ME BACK UP. A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS WILL SET FENCES INTENTIONALLY THAT WAY BECAUSE THEN THEY HAVE FULL CONTROL OF THAT FENCE.

AND SO THEY'RE AWARE OF IT WHEN THEY PUT IT UP.

DOES THAT MEAN 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT STILL? STILL, NOT NECESSARILY, BUT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO ADDRESS BEFORE IT BECOMES A PROBLEM LATER.

THAT'S ALL.

AND I KNOW IT'S NOT ALWAYS YOUR PROBLEM. WE GOT ALL RIGHT. BUT IN SUMMARY, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT IS IN A POSITION FOR CONDITIONAL APPROVAL.

YOU'VE GOT THE 3 VARIANCES THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED AND THEN SOME MINOR COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE ENGINEERING LETTER. BUT WE'RE CONFIDENT THOSE CAN BE RESOLVED BEFORE FINAL PLAT.

YEAH, I FEEL FINE ABOUT THIS ONE, SO. OKAY.

WELL, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I MEAN OKAY, WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND THIS FOR CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, ASSUMING THAT THE VARIANCES HAVE ALL BEEN HANDLED, OR AND I GUESS THEY'VE THE VARIANCES HAVE BEEN HANDLED APPROPRIATELY.

YEAH, 2 OUT OF THE 3, THAT'S RIGHT, THE LAST ONE. SO, OKAY.

SO WE'LL JUST SAY CONDITIONAL APPROVAL BASED ON THE COMPLETION OF THE FINAL VARIANCE ITEM.

OKAY, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR GREEN MEADOWS WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE REQUIREMENTS PRESENTED BY STAFF GET RESOLVED AS PROMISED IN THE REPORT. OKAY, WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR PRELIMINARY APPROVAL FOR CONDITIONAL SORRY, CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND BY JASMIN.

ALL IN FAVOR? OKAY, GOOD.

ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR SURE, YES. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

THEY HAD A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS IN THE PACKET. AS I REMEMBER,

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A LITTLE LATE COMMENT CARD, BUT LET'S YEAH, LIKE NORMAL.

WELL, THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS HERE EARLIER SPOKE. HE TALKED TO THE PERSON THAT IS AFFECTED BY THE WATER IN MOSS RIDGE.

I SAY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TRY TO SPEAK INTO THE MIC? MY NAME IS ADNAN TAHUNI. I LIVE IN 7279 MOSS RIDGE. OKAY.

AND ALL THE WATER THAT ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF MASRAJ, AS WELL AS THIS PROPERTY HERE, AND THIS IS UMM AL-MADKA, THIS IS THE CITY WHEN THEY DECIDED TO DO A DITCH IN FRONT OF ME.

ALL OF IT COMES TO MY BACK PROPERTY. I SPENT ABOUT $20,000 FIXING MY FOUNDATION.

BECAUSE THE CITY ALSO DID SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT IN THE PLAN. BUT THIS TIME, AND NOT THIS RAIN THAT WE HAVE RECENTLY, JUST THE ONE BEFORE, I THINK IT'S IN BEGINNING OF MAY, IT ALMOST WENT OVER ACTUALLY, IT DID GO OVER, AND I HAVE PHOTOS OF THAT, VIDEOS OF THAT, TO SHOW YOU WHERE THE LINE IS.

WE I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE ENGINEERS ARE, LOCALLY HERE AND OUT THERE.

WHEN YOU BULLDOZE THE AREA AND BRING IT DOWN ABOUT 3 FEET HIGH, ALL FLATTEN THE LAND, THE PROPERTY IN THE OTHER SIDE. YOU FLATTEN IT AND BRING IT DOWN, AND THEN SOMEBODY NEED TO GO AND JUST MONITOR THE WATER THAT'S GOING INTO THE DITCH, AND YOU WILL SEE IT'S GOING THIS WAY, MOST OF IT, ABOUT TWO-THIRDS, THREE-QUARTERS OF IT. I WENT THERE WHILE THE WATER IS RUNNING, AND I SAW IT.

WHERE DID IT GO? TO MY HOUSE, TO MY APARTMENT. I HAVE PHOTOS OF MY NEIGHBOR IN THE BACK.

NOT MOSS RIDGE, THE ONE BEHIND US, BECAUSE IN THE OLD DAYS MY NEIGHBOR Z DECIDED TO CHANNEL SOME OF THE WATER IN THE BACK.

I REJECTED IT TO COME IN MY PROPERTY BECAUSE I HAVE A LOW AREA, AND AT ONE TIME IT WENT TO ABOUT 5 FEET WHEN ONE OF THE GUYS IN THE CITY TOLD THE NEIGHBOR, THE NEW NEIGHBOR, OH YEAH, IT'S YOUR PROPERTY, YOU CAN BLOCK THE WATER.

FROM ME. I BLOCKED IT.

AND I WILL SHOW YOU ALSO IN SOME VIDEOS THE MERCURY OIL THAT COMES FROM THE FARM VERSUS THE YOU KNOW WHERE THE WATER COMES FROM? MOSSMAN. AND THEY MEET TOGETHER AND GO. IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

SO THE SILT THAT WE GET FROM THESE FARMS, WHICH IS PROBABLY GOING TO STOP, BUILD UP AND CAUSE US A LOT OF PROBLEMS. I DIDN'T ASK FOR THE DITCH, MY NEIGHBOR DID. AND I'M A NEIGHBOR OF THE GUY, I'M A FARMER AT ONE TIME, AND I DEAL WITH THESE THINGS.

SO I DIDN'T DO THE DITCH, BUT I WAS WORKING IN DENVER. I CALLED THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR AND HE SAID, YEAH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING. HE WENT AHEAD AND PUT PIPE UNDERNEATH MY PROPERTY AND IT WAS NOT IN THE PLAN.

THAT'S WHAT CAUSES THE FLOODING TO MY HOUSE AND STILL DOING UNTIL TODAY.

BUT THE RAIN THAT WE HAD ABOUT 3, 4 4 WEEKS AGO, IT DID GO OVER BY THE WRIGHT FAMILY PROPERTY AND IT WENT OVER AND IT WENT TO MY DETACHED GARAGE AND IT GOT ABOUT 1/4 OF AN INCH. I HAVE THE LINE OF WHERE THE WATER, THE GRASS, YOU KNOW, PILING UP AT THE EDGE OF THE TOP OF IT, BUT MY NEIGHBOR BEHIND ME, ABOUT 30 FEET OF HIS FENCE WENT DOWN.

TOO MUCH WATER, TOO MUCH GRASS IN THE BOTTOM. I HAVE VIDEOS OF THAT, OR PICTURES. I NEED TO BURST SUPERVISION FROM OUR ENGINEER HERE, FROM OUR CITY, TO GO OVER THE WHOLE PROCESS, INCLUDING EVERY TIME THEY DEVELOP SOMETHING.

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GREAT. BUT THAT'S NOT THE END OF IT. AND I'M GOING TO BRING EVERYBODY THAT'S AFFECTED IN THAT AREA TO THE HOUSE.

I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS EXCEPT 2 DAYS AGO. AND I, AS I SAID, I HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 2008. I MOVED IN ON MAY 29, 2008.

AND THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. WHAT YOU DID, DENY IT, IS GREAT, BUT THEY NEED TO DO LIKE THESE GENTLEMEN JUST MINUTES AGO SPOKE. PAY ATTENTION.

AH. OKAY. SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

THIS ONE IS THE PLACARD YOU HAVE. OKAY. YOU CAN PULL IT AND SEE WHERE THE WATER USED TO COME IN, BUT WHEN THEY BULLDOZE IT, IT JUST ADD TO IT.

OKAY. IT'S ADD TO IT. SO I'LL EVEN SHOW YOU.

CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? WHICH SIDE OF THE MOSS RIDGE DO YOU LIVE ON? I LIVE IN THE SOUTH SIDE. OKAY. WHERE ALL THE WATER GOES.

OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT, I'LL OKAY, SO THAT'S OKAY FOR RIGHT NOW. BUT WHAT OKAY, SO FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO DO AT A FUTURE MEETING IS I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GET SOME OF THESE VIDEOS THAT EVERYBODY HAS OF THEIR FLOODING, AND I'D LIKE FOR US TO WATCH THEM IN ONE OF OUR MEETINGS.

OKAY? BECAUSE THIS I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IS MOSS RIDGE IS THE ENGINEERING IN MOSS RIDGE EVEN VALID ANYMORE? OR HAS IT BEEN FILLED UP WITH SO MUCH SILT THAT IT'S ARE, YOU KNOW, NOT EVEN VALID. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT I GET CONCERNED ABOUT IS ARE WE ENGINEERING THINGS BASED ON THE AS-BUILT FROM 20 OR 25 YEARS AGO AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, THE AS-IS TODAY? THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS. AND I BECAUSE I MEAN, HAVING LIVED HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, OVER ABOUT 25 YEARS, THE ORIGINAL GRADING THAT WAS DONE AT MY HOUSE AROUND THE CREEK, THERE'S 3 TO 5 FEET OF SILT THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE NOW, OKAY? MOTHER NATURE STILL WINS WHATEVER YOU DO.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE FOR I MEAN, SOME OF US HAVE BEEN SITTING UP HERE FOR A LONG TIME, OTHERS HAVE NOT.

BUT WHAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO DO IS FOR US TO GET SOME OF THESE VIDEOS THAT WE CAN PLAY.

I MEAN, I CAN SHOW SOME I CAN GET SOME VIDEOS.

I'M SURE OTHER PEOPLE CAN, BUT ESPECIALLY FROM MOSS RIDGE, BECAUSE THIS SEEMS TO BE A BIG PROBLEM. I JUST WANT US TO GET A LOT MORE AWARENESS OF HOW BIG THIS PROBLEM IS.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET OUR CITY ENGINEERS TO AT LEAST REVIEW SOMETHING, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE SEE VIDEOS, TO SEE YOU KNOW, ARE WE REALLY ENGINEERING THE WAY WE NEED TO DO IT? OKAY? AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT CLASS TO BEGIN WITH, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION AROUND THE FACT THAT WE ALREADY KNEW THAT MOSS RIDGE HAD A PRETTY EXISTING FLOODING ISSUE, AND WE DIDN'T WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE IT WORSE.

YEAH, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT CONTOUR LINES FROM 20 YEARS AGO, THAT DOESN'T YOU KNOW, TO ME, THAT'S NOT FIXING THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED NEW MAPS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO ACCOUNT FOR, YOU KNOW, CHANGES FROM THE LAST 20 YEARS, THEN WE NEED TO KIND OF FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT I'M GETTING REALLY CONCERNED TOO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ENGINEERING ON PAPER, BUT I'M NOT FEELING GOOD THAT THE ENGINEERING IS PLAYING OUT THE WAY WE WANT IT TO.

UNDERSTOOD.

WE CAN CERTAINLY TAG THIS UP FOR A FUTURE MEETING, BRING IN SOME VIDEOS. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO REVIEW THOSE VIDEOS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE AMOUNT OF RAIN, YEAH, THAT OCCURRED OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, RIGHT? SO WE CAN COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES. I WOULD JUST ALSO MENTION THAT ONE OF THE BUDGET ITEMS WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL THIS YEAR IS A MASTER DRAINAGE STUDY SO THAT WE CAN PINPOINT THE ISSUES WE KNOW ARE HAPPENING, SOME OF THE ONES WE DON'T KNOW, AND START WRAPPING THAT INTO OUR CAPITAL PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE TO GET SOME OF THESE ADDRESSED LONG TERM.

OKAY. I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE DON'T WE DON'T WANT NEW DEVELOPMENT WE WANT NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE DON'T WANT NEW DEVELOPMENT TO HARM EXISTING RESIDENTS.

AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN FIX EXISTING PROBLEMS LIKE THIS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY CAN FIX THEM. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. BUT WE DEFINITELY DID NOT WANT THIS

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AGREED. AND I THINK THAT IS THE STANDARD ENGINEERING PRACTICE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ENGINEERS HERE AT STAFF, AND SO WE'RE TAKING THE RECOMMENDATION OF OUR ENGINEERING FIRM SAYING THAT THEY'RE USING THEIR BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES AND ENGINEERING STANDARDS.

AND ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT AS-IS AND AS-BUILT ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, RIGHT? YES, SIR. AND THAT'S AND WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT OUR AS-IS IS NOT REALLY THAT MUCH DIFFERENT FROM THE AS-BUILT.

AND 20 YEARS OR WHATEVER CAN MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE.

WE NEED TO GET THAT INTO OUR HEADS AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE ANY OTHER FUTURE ENGINEERING THINGS GO ON, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST TAKING SOMETHING ON PAPER FOR GRANTED. OKAY? THAT'S IT. I HAVE A AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, AND MAYBE Y'ALL CAN HELP.

AND MY QUESTION IS, IS IT NEW WATER OR OLD WATER? AND BY OLD WATER, I MEAN THE WATER THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON MOSS RIDGE. MY FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH MOSS RIDGE WAS IN THE LATE 1980S, AND IT WAS VERY, VERY, VERY WET.

MM-HMM.

AND THERE WERE NO HOUSES OUT THERE AT THAT TIME. IT WAS VERY WET. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DETERMINE WHAT'S NEW WATER AND WHAT IS OLD WATER THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

AND I TOTALLY AGREE, THE LAST THING WE WANT IS NEW WATER, MORE WATER, ADDITIONAL WATER ON MOSS RIDGE OR ANY RESIDENT. BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW WE RECTIFY THE WATER THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN SOMEWHERE.

YES, MA'AM, THERE'S NO EASY ANSWER TO THAT ONE.

IT WILL HAVE TO BE COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION TO FIX THE PROBLEM THAT HAS LONG BEEN THE CASE IN MOSS RIDGE. YEAH, WHEN WAS THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT OF MOSS RIDGE? DO YOU KNOW? I'M NOT SURE. OKAY.

EARLY '90S. EARLY '90S. WHERE IS THAT? CREEKSIDE.

CREEKSIDE. WELL, ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO BRING UP IS I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE CHANGED OUR BUILDING PROCESS WHERE WE MANDATED THAT THE HOUSE WAS GOING TO BE BUILT, THAT WE HAD TO BRING IN ABOUT 2 FEET OF SOIL TO BRING IT UP. AND I DON'T KNOW IF MOSS RIDGE WAS BUILT BEFORE THAT OR AFTER THAT.

I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT A LOT OF THOSE HOUSES ARE SITTING ON GRADE. YEAH, THEY I DON'T THINK THEY WERE PADDED UP VERY WELL. YEAH, AND THAT'S SO SOMETHING WE CAN'T FIX.

I WILL JUST REMIND THE COMMISSION WE'RE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OFF TOPIC AS FAR AS OUR POSTING ON THE AGENDA. HAPPY TO GET THIS ON A FUTURE AGENDA THOUGH.

YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO DO.

[4. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL’S REFERRAL OF ORDINANCE NO. 201, RELATING TO FIREWORKS AND THE PREVENTION OF FIRES, TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION. [2025 0617 CC Review Referral] ]

OKAY, SO THE LAST AGENDA ITEM: DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL'S REFERRAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 201 RELATING TO FIREWORKS AND PREVENTION OF FIRES TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION.

AND HERE WE GO AGAIN. AND LET'S GO.

I WILL SAY, I'LL START. I DID A TON OF RESEARCH ON THIS SINCE OUR LAST MEETING. I THINK WE POSTPONED THE DECISION SPECIFICALLY AROUND FIRE PHYSICS.

I THINK WE WERE COMFORTABLE, IF I RECALL FROM THE LAST SESSION, WE DON'T HAVE A READING IN IT, BUT I BELIEVE WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH FIRE BOARD SUPPORT FOR IT. SO STILL VERY IMPORTANT. BUT I THE NATIONAL FIRE ASSOCIATION, ACTUALLY HAS A VERY DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION THAN WHAT VIRGINIA PARKER DOES.

I THINK THEIR RECOMMENDATION I PERSONALLY WAS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT THE FIRE I'M NOT A FIRE EXPERT. THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH 25 FEET, AS LONG AS IT'S CLEAN, DRY WOOD AND IT'S CONTAINED IN THE TREE LINE. AND THAT ACTUALLY GOT ME COMFORTABLE WITH CHANGING.

I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT I READ IN THE PROPOSED CHANGES. AND I ALSO THOUGHT THAT I KNOW

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SO I THINK WE'RE ALL PROBABLY ON BOARD WITH THAT NOW. FIRE PIT CONSTRUCTED OF NON-COMBUSTIBLE MATERIAL.

WELL, YEAH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET NO WOODEN FIRE PITS.

OKAY, BOTTOM OF THE PITS AT LEAST 6 INCHES BELOW THE OUTER PERIMETER.

HENCE IT'S A PIT. ONLY CLEAN DRY WOOD SO WE'RE NOT BURNING YOUR OLD TIRES.

OH NO, THAT WAS GARY BURNING TIRES, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT BURNING YOUR TIRES, WE'RE NOT BURNING YOUR OLD SHOES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO NO BLACK SMOKE. FIRE IS CONSTANTLY ATTENDED.

I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, HONESTLY I'VE NEVER SEEN THE FIRE PITS THAT I'VE SEEN, I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE WHERE PEOPLE JUST WALK AWAY AND LET IT ALL BURN. BURN UNLESS THEY'RE BURNING RUBBISH, WHICH IS TRASH, WHICH IS NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. AND FIRE PITS SHOULD NOT BE USED DURING A COUNTY BURN BAN.

THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY REASONABLE. SO I WAS CURIOUS TO CHANGE THIS AFTER I DID MORE RESEARCH. AND I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME IN COUNTIES LIKE DOUBLE OAKS THAT DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT THEY HAVE WAY BIGGER THEY, THEIR AVERAGE LOT OUTSIDE, I THINK, IS CLOSER TO 10 VERSUS WHERE WE ARE.

SO I PERSONALLY CHANGED MY POSITION SINCE THE LAST MEETING. YEAH, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO REALIZE UP HERE, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE, IS THAT SOMETIMES FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, WHAT YOU GET INTO IS YOU GET INTO PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING RULES IN ORDER TO BAN SOMETHING, AND YOU'VE GOT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE REASONABLE RULES, BUT YOU DON'T CREATE RIDICULOUS RULES WHICH NOBODY CAN MEET IN ORDER TO BAN SOMETHING, BECAUSE THAT BECOMES A LEGAL PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE.

YEAH, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH LETTING PEOPLE BURN THEY CUT THEIR TREES DOWN AND THEY WANT TO BURN THOSE. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE BULK TRASH PICKUP, BECAUSE YOU PUT IT OUT THERE AND THERE'S YOU DON'T KNOW IF THEY MIGHT BE BURNING POISON IVY, WHICH WOULDN'T BE GOOD, OR ANY OTHER CHEMICALS THAT MIGHT BE ON THE SHRUBBERY OR TREES. SO AGAIN, BULK TRASH, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE, BULK TRASH PICKUP.

AND YOU'RE TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN A FIRE INFESTED WITH POISON IVY WHO ENDED UP IN THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE OVER THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENS.

OKAY, SO, SO I GUESS THE QUESTION HERE, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER AREAS OF THIS THAT WE NEED TO GO OVER? BUT I MEAN, ARE WE TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO LIKE HAND IT OVER TO CITY COUNCIL AND LET THEM I PERSONALLY HAVE REREAD THE WHOLE DOCUMENT THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH ALL WHOLE DOCUMENT, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE RESEARCH WITH THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ORGANIZATION.

OKAY. OKAY. THE REASON WE BROUGHT IN CHIEF PRICE WAS WE WANTED TO KNOW HOW MANY TICKETS HAVE BEEN GIVEN FOR FIREWORKS.

DURING THOSE EVENTS, THE CALL LOAD IS SO EGREGIOUS WE MAKE CONTACT AND WE LEAVE. WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO WRITE TICKETS.

OKAY, THERE'S FIREWORKS THAT GO ALL OVER THIS.

YEAH, I WORK EVERY FOURTH OF JULY, AND I GUARANTEE YOU IN THE 8 OR 9 HOURS THAT I'M HERE, I'VE BEEN GIVEN 30 OR 40 FIREWORKS CALLS. I DO HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THE FIREWORK ORDINANCE THAT YOU WROTE IN ONE CATEGORY, AND THAT'S ON PAGE 5 UNDER SECTION D.

WHERE FIREWORKS CANNOT BE RETURNED.

IF A JUDGE OR A COURT ORDERS AFTER AN APPEAL THAT THOSE FIREWORKS ARE RETURNED, WE HAVE TO RETURN THEM. OKAY, SO THAT'S GOT TO BE REWORDED SOMEHOW. OKAY, SO, OKAY, SO THAT'S OKAY, THAT, THAT'S EASY.

YEAH, THAT'S EASY. THAT'S EASY.

ALSO, ACCORDING TO THE COLLIN COUNTY FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, THE CITY'S ORDINANCE CAN REGULATE FIREWORKS UP TO 5,000 FEET OUTSIDE OF THEIR CITY LIMITS.

SO THAT WOULD ALSO CREATE A PROBLEM ACROSS FROM SOUTH FORK RANCH BETWEEN ANDY'S LANE AND THE STORAGE FACILITY WHERE THERE'S A HOUSE THAT'S IN THE COUNTY AND THEY SHOOT FIREWORKS OFF EVERY YEAR SAYING THEY CAN BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE COUNTY. SO WE HAVE NO TEETH FOR THAT, RIGHT? 5,000 RULE WAS PUT IN THERE, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD NO LONGER BE ABLE TO DISCHARGE FIREWORKS EITHER.

AND, AND BECAUSE THEY CAN, IT ENTICES THE PEOPLE IN THE TRAILER PARK AND THE PEOPLE

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OKAY. MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT ALSO INCLUDES HAVING THE CITY ATTORNEY CONFIRM THAT.

YES.

SO THAT WHEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL, THAT IF WE CAN EXTEND 05,000 FEET THAT WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO TO DO IT BEFORE THE TABLE? YES, MA'AM. OUR PLAN WAS TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL ANYWAYS, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY ANY, ANY MOTION, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO POINT OUT, WE CAN CERTAINLY HIGHLIGHT THAT FOR HER REVIEW. OKAY.

AND A LOT OF THE CITATION STUFF WAS JUST A STAFFING ISSUE.

THAT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

WHEN WE HAD A FIRE MARSHAL, HE WOULD COME IN AND WRITE AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF THEM.

THE ONLY DOWNSIDE OF THAT IS THROUGH EVIDENTIARY RULES, I DON'T WANT BOMBS IN MY PROPERTY ROOM, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME KIND OF OUTSIDE STORAGE FOR THOSE BASED ON THIS WORK.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A BOMB DISPOSAL UNIT NOW FOR THE CITY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET ROBOTS.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO SPACE. OH. YEAH.

THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. THOSE ARE MY RECOMMENDATIONS.

OKAY. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I'LL TAKE A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND THROW THEM INTO THE DOCUMENT HERE. SO THE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THAT WE STRIKE THE ACTUALLY, THE RETURN OF THE FIREWORKS JUST NEEDS TO BE RESTATED.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ORDERED BY A JUDGE, YOU KNOW, RESTATE THE RETURN OF FIREWORKS. YEAH. AND THEN TO ALSO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN EXTEND 05,000 FEET BEYOND THE CITY LIMITS, RIGHT? TO INCORPORATE YOUR SUGGESTION.

YEAH, BECAUSE THAT 5,000 FEET SO I GUESS THEY DID THAT BECAUSE IT'S EASIER THAN 5,280 FEET, RIGHT? AND THEY DIDN'T DO IT IN METERS BECAUSE THEN NOBODY WOULD UNDERSTAND IT, RIGHT? THANK YOU. OKAY. SO YEAH, SO THAT'S ABOUT A MILE IS WHAT THAT IS.

PRETTY CLOSE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? NO? NOPE.

OKAY, SO THEN I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, GET THIS, GET THIS ON TO A CITY ATTORNEY AND THEN LET IT GO ON TO COUNCIL. EVERYBODY'S TO THE ATTORNEY FIRST. YEAH.

YES, MA'AM. YEAH, WE WOULD APPRECIATE A FORMAL MOTION.

YEAH.

YEP. LET ME MAKE IT, SEE IF I CAN GET THIS CORRECT. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE TO SEND TO COUNCIL A REVISED FIRE CODE POLICY AS DRAFTED WITH A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS.

2 RECOMMENDED EDITS. ONE IS TO EDIT THE RETURN OF FIREWORKS BASED ON A JUDGE'S ORDER OR SOME OTHER COURT ORDER TO THEIR ORIGINAL OWNER, AND THEN ALSO TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY PRIOR TO COUNCIL LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN EXTEND LEGALLY EXTEND TO 5,000 FEET OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. I'M ASSUMING THAT'S CONTIGUOUS WITH THE CITY, BUT IF WE CAN DO THAT BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL AND THAT THAT BE INCORPORATED IN THE PROPOSAL TO COUNCIL.

DID I GET THAT RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK THAT DOES IT. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY, ALL IN FAVOR? OKAY, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ]

FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. WELL, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ONE, AND REALLY WE WANT TO WE WANT TO REALLY GET SOME OF THIS SOME OF THIS FLOODING THING THAT PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING.

WE WANT EVERYBODY TO SEE IT, AND THEN WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT WE UNDERSTAND WHY. OKAY. OTHER THAN THAT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE COMING UP THAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT? WHAT'S COMING UP? ANYTHING? GARY, DO WE DID WE GET ANY LILY, DID WE GET ANY PLAQUES IN TODAY? WE DID NOT, NO.

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OKAY, WELL, WITH THAT, IT'S 6:05. WE'RE 5 MINUTES OVER. ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.