May 28, 2026 Planning & Zoning

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IT'S 5 O'CLOCK AND IT'S TIME FOR US TO START THE CITY OF

[CALL TO ORDER]

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG; I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE, OKAY, I DON'T SEE MANY PEOPLE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE DO HAVE

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THEY SHOULD BECOME PART OF THE RECORD. THEY'RE FROM MARCOS, JUST MARCOS. NO, LET'S SEE.

OKAY, MARCOS ARIAS. OKAY, 3605 HOBE DRIVE AND JUST MENTIONS I'M NOT GOING TO READ THEM ALL, BUT HE'S IN FAVOR OF FIRE RESTRICTIONS FOR FIREWORKS AND MENTIONED PUBLIC SAFETY POLICY. ALSO HAS A CONCERN ABOUT THE FLOODING ON GREGORY LANE AND SAID HE NEEDS A FLOODING CONTROL SYSTEM TO CONTROL THOSE FLOOD ZONES.

SO THIS IS PART OF THE RECORD.

I RECEIVED A PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD BRING IT UP WHEN WE GOT TO THOSE SECTIONS WHILE WE WERE DISCUSSING. UNLESS YOU'D RATHER WELL, GO AHEAD AND YEAH, GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHAT, WHAT IT'S GENERALLY ABOUT, AND THEN WE CAN GENERALLY ABOUT OPEN BURNING AND MINIMUM DISTANCE.

OKAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN A LOT OF DETAIL THEN. OKAY, SOUNDS

[1. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR MAY 14, 2026.]

HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY HAS A COPY OF MEETING MINUTES. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES. I'VE GOT A COMMENT ON THAT.

ON PAGE 2, THE MEETING MINUTES, ON UNDER ITEM 4, TOWARDS THE END OF THE FIRST SENTENCE, YOU HAVE 2 R'S. YEAH, I MADE A CORRECTION AND I DID SEND IT TO OKAY, OKAY, SO THE CORRECTION HAS BEEN MADE. JUST A LITTLE TYPOGRAPHIC OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES, WE HAVE A SECOND.

BY JOE. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? MEETINGS MINUTES ARE APPROVED. OKAY, NOW THE FUN

[2. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL’S REFERRAL OF ORDINANCE NO. 201, RELATING TO FIREWORKS AND THE PREVENTION OF FIRES, TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION. [2025 0617 CC Review Referral]]

SO I THINK WE'VE GOT A FEW THINGS GOING ON HERE, BUT HOPEFULLY ONE THING THAT YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE IS KIND OF A COMPREHENSIVE PUT-TOGETHER OF EVERYTHING HERE. SO ANY I THINK THAT WE'LL JUST LISTEN TO SEE WHO HAS COMMENTS THEY'D LIKE. I KNOW ON THE END OF THIS THERE'S A THERE'S KIND OF A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED.

SO, WHEN WE HAVE MORE COMMENTS, WE WILL IMPLEMENT MORE STUFF.

CORRECTIONS, THROW DARTS, BEGIN. I DON'T HAVE A DART TO THROW.

I HAVE SOME COMMENTS. I ACTUALLY, I HAD TWO PRIMARY, WELL, THREE COMMENTS. ONE, WE DON'T ALLOW LARGE TRACK BURNING TODAY UNDER THE ORDINANCE.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TOMORROW, REGARDLESS OF LOT SIZE. I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO OPEN BURNING WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. IT'S MY PERSONAL VIEW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE IT TODAY.

TWO, I DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA OF SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T ALREADY

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IS THAT FAIR? THAT'S FAIR. I WILL NOT APPROVE ANY NEIGHBORHOOD FIREWORKS. SO IF HE'S NOT GOING TO PROVE IT, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE PUT IT IN, TO BE HONEST, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS A BURNING DESIRE FOR IT TO BE THERE ANYWAY.

AND THEN YOU SAY BURNING DESIRE? I DID. PROBABLY NOT A GREAT ADJECTIVE TO USE TODAY.

BUT, THE OTHER THING THAT I THOUGHT WE SHOULD SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY CALLED OUT IS FIRE PITS THAT ARE ACTUALLY NATURAL GAS OR PROPANE GAS DRIVEN.

SO THEY'RE NOT LIKE YOU'RE NOT BURNING SOMETHING, BUT IT IS A FIRE PIT. I MEAN, THOSE HAVE TO GET YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA TOUCH A GAS LINE, YEAH, I MEAN, IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT WE SHOULD PROBABLY SAY THOSE NEED TO WELL, AND HERE'S THE AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE YOU START GETTING INTO WHAT I CALL THE RIDICULOUS.

AND THAT IS THAT, OF COURSE, A LOT OF THAT IS SOMEBODY HAS A PROPANE TANK, THEY HAVE A GAS WHATEVER FIRE THING, OKAY, AND THEY RUN THAT AND PEOPLE DO THAT ALL THE TIME. AND SOMETIMES WE CALL THAT A GAS GRILL AND SOMETIMES WE CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE.

BUT YEAH, TO ME THAT AND A FIRE PIT ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

THAT'S JUST MY FEELING, AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE WE NEED A DEF I MEAN, IS OUR DEFINITION OF FIRE PIT NOT GOOD ENOUGH? NO, I THINK IT'S GOOD. I WOULD HAVE ONLY JUST ADDED THAT NUANCE TO IT, AND THAT WAS IT.

YEAH, CONTAINED OUTDOOR FIRE RECEPTACLE INCLUDING COMMERCIALLY MANUFACTURED OR PERMANENTLY CONSTRUCTED STONE, BRICK, OR METAL ENCLOSURES USED FOR RECREATIONAL BURNING OF CLEAN DRY WOOD.

SO I GUESS THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE IS A FIRE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DESCRIBE PROPANE OR NATURAL GAS. SO NATURAL GAS, JUST SPEAKING WITH DYLAN ON THIS, IF ANYTHING IS TAPPED INTO A NATURAL GAS LINE, IT'S GOING TO BE PERMITTED THROUGH THE CITY ANYWAYS.

OKAY, SO THEN WE DON'T NEED TO MENTION IT. SO WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO MENTION IT. OKAY, LIKE WE DISCUSSED BEFORE IN OUR MEETING, IF IT'S BY A POOL HOUSE, YOU TAP INTO THAT POOL HOUSE AREA AND YOU WANT TO DO A BURN PIT OUT THERE THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, NO PROBLEMS PERMITTED THROUGH THE CITY.

OKAY, THAT'S I'M FINE WITH THAT THEN. REGULATIONS FOR LOCATION ALONE WOULD DEVIATE COMPLETELY FROM WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING.

OKAY, I'M GOOD THEN.

WITH THE OTHER CHANGES THAT YOU HAD HERE, I WAS PRETTY GOOD.

SO, ARE WE NOT THE SECTION ON THE PRIVATE SO WE HAVE A SECTION ON PUBLIC FIREWORK DISPLAY, WHICH WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? SORRY, PAGE 6. THAT'S A PUPPET.

AND THEN THERE IS A SECTION ON PRIVATE FIREWORK DISPLAY.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YEAH. SO ARE WE STRIKING THIS WHOLE SECTION THEN? THE PRIVATE WOULD BE MORE TOWARDS SOUTHWEST.

NO, THAT'S A PUBLIC THAT'S A YEAH, THAT'S A PUBLIC. SO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE 10 FEET IS REALLY THE PRIVATE SECTION.

YEAH, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IT IS, IT'S A DISPLAY NOT OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S BASICALLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, THAT THIS THESE ARE KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO.

BUT IT'S IN THERE TO BE STRICKEN IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT. IT'S EASIER TO TAKE STUFF OUT THAN TO ADD STUFF. SO MY PERSONAL VIEW MY PERSONAL VIEW I TURNED IT ON.

MY PERSONAL VIEW IS THAT IF HE'S NOT GOING TO APPROVE SOMEBODY TO GET A PRIVATE FIREWORK DISPLAY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LEAD PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GOING IT'S GOING TO GET APPROVED, THAT THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO DO THAT. BECAUSE HE'S ONLY GOING TO APPROVE IF HE'S ONLY GOING TO APPROVE THINGS THAT ARE, I MEAN, AT SOUTH FORK, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE GIVING SOMEBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR SOMETHING. OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO JUST ASK THIS QUESTION.

WHAT'S WHAT DOES ANYONE KNOW? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LARGEST TRACT OF LAND IS THAT WE HAVE. IT'S A PUB THAT'S A PRIVATE, PRIVATE SECTION OF LAND. I MEAN, I DO NOT.

YEAH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA? I MEAN, IS IT LIKE 10 ACRES, 20 ACRES? THE LARGEST? YEAH, OKAY, RIGHT. I KNOW, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW,

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OKAY, WELL, WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO IT NOW. IT'S A HUGE FIRE HAZARD. YEAH.

OKAY, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED. IT USED TO BE THE CACITA ON DUBLIN ROAD. ARE YOU REFERRING TO, I DON'T KNOW, CROSS CREEK RANGE? YEAH.

OKAY, HOW LARGE IS THAT? I DON'T THINK IT'S 30 ACRES. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS.

OKAY, THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT, IS I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LEAD THE PUBLIC TO BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN APPLY FOR SOMETHING BUT IT'S JUST GOING TO GET DENIED.

THAT DOESN'T SEEM VERY FAIR. I THINK ORIGINALLY RUSS WAS REFERRING TO, IN THE PRIVATE SECTION, THE 1.4G, WHICH IS REALLY SPARKLING AND WHICH IS WHY HE HAD THE 10 FEET LIMIT.

AND THEY RUN ACTUALLY, AND THERE'S LIKE THE WHOLE SECTION E ON AERIAL TRAVEL LIMITATION, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW. THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE THING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TOO, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WELL, YOU CAN ONLY DO THIS AND HAVE, YEAH, BASICALLY LITTLE FOUNTAINS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? AND, YOU KNOW, NOTHING THAT'S RIGHT, NOTHING. IT'S GONNA GO BIG MORTAR SHOTS.

WE DON'T WANT THAT EITHER. I THINK WHEN OUR GRASSES ARE VERY DRY, IT, IT'S TOTALLY A FIRE HAZARD TO HAVE. I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE IN THEIR YARDS OR DRIVEWAYS, THEY SET A FOUNTAIN OFF, FOR SOME REASON IT FALLS OVER, CATCHES A CAR ON FIRE.

I MEAN, THERE'S RIGHT, PEOPLE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO HANDLE THAT. AND WE HAVE CITY ORDINANCE OF NO FIREWORKS IN THE CITY. YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THAT.

AND THEN WE START HAVING ALL THESE MISCELLANEOUS FIRES COME UP BECAUSE OF FIREWORKS. I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WHOLE SECTION GONE.

OKAY, SAME.

NO, NO PRIVATE. I MEAN, THE SOUTH FORK IS JUST A SPECIAL SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY ALLOWED THEM TO DO IT, AND THEY HAVE A LARGE TRACT OF LAND WHICH AND THERE'S ALWAYS AMPLE PRECAUTIONS MADE, AND YOU GUYS ARE NOTIFIED AND ALL THAT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.

AND IT'S LIMITED, RIGHT? IT'S 12 A YEAR. YEAH. DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH TAKING IT OUT? NO.

OKAY, THAT WAS MY MAIN THING.

ALL RIGHT, GOOD TO KNOW.

OKAY, AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE RUSS TAKING THE TIME TO, TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT TO DO THIS, AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR TO PUT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF US. AND CHIEF MILLER ALSO, WELL, I TOOK A LOT OF TIME TO DO THAT, A LOT OF HIS STUFF AND EVERYTHING, AND JUST YOU KNOW, TRIED TO AND THEN THE OTHER DOCUMENTS WE HAD AND TRIED TO BOIL THEM ALL INTO SOMETHING THAT WAS COHESIVE. I WILL SAY THIS, I LIKE THE SECOND REVISION MINUS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT ON THAT BETTER, AND I THINK THAT WILL SUIT OUR CITY BETTER FOR WHERE WE, WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

YEAH, YEAH. SO SOME OF THIS IS SOME COMMENTS ARE REFLECTED HERE, RIGHT? THAT THEY ARE FOR THE MOST PART. YES, THEY ARE.

I KNOW THIS ONE IN HERE, THE SIZE OF THE FIRE PIT, I STILL WOULD LIKE IT TO BE THE 3 BY 6 BY 2, JUST SO SOMEONE DOESN'T IT JUST SAYS 6 FEET DIAMETER, 2 FEET HEIGHT. I WANT SOMEONE TO FIRE UP ONE THAT'S 6 FEET.

WAIT, HERE'S WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.

I MEAN, A LOT OF TIMES THOUGH, THE SIZE OF THE FIRE PIT IS JUST TO CONTAIN EVERYTHING BETTER, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A SMALL ONE AND YOU PUT A BUNCH OF CRAP IN IT, IT'S NOT AS GOOD AS IF YOU HAVE A BIG ONE AND PUT STUFF IN THE MIDDLE.

FOLLOWING CODE, THEY'RE COMPLIANT. I THINK AS LONG AS THE DISTANCE TO STRUCTURES IS THERE TOO, RIGHT? YOU CHANGE WE CHANGED IT TO 300.

IS THAT WHERE YES. SO, OKAY, SO NOW THAT I HAVE A LITTLE QUESTION ABOUT THAT. IS THERE OR YEAH, WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO WHAT, WHAT IS THERE, SOME DISTANCE ON A FIRE PIT? I THINK THERE IS.

I UNDERSTOOD THAT LIKE THE MANUFACTURED STOVE, LIKE FIRE PIT PIECE, YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT BEING

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MANUFACTURED ONES, THE SOLO STOVES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE NEED TO BE A SAFE DISTANCE FROM YOUR HOME. YEAH, RIGHT NOW IT'S ONLY 15 FEET. NO, HIS PROPOSAL WAS 50.

OH, YEAH, RIGHT NOW IT'S 15 RIGHT HERE. YEAH, SO HIS I THINK HE HAD IT AS 50, AND THEN THE FIRE PIT, THE 3 BY 6 BY 02, AT EITHER 250 OR 300. I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH 250.

THAT'S FINE. WE CAN AND THAT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO OKAY, SO I JUST WANT TO GET EVERYBODY TO KIND OF GET THIS IN THEIR MIND. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT A FIRE PIT HAS TO BE A FOOTBALL FIELD AWAY FROM EVERYTHING.

I WOULD GO WITH 250, SO LET'S I KNOW, BUT THAT'S ALMOST A FOOTBALL FIELD IN LENGTH. I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE, SO, BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY THAT'S BIGGER THAN MOST PEOPLE'S LOTS A LOT OF TIMES.

AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEAN, I KNOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE FIRE PITS, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, 25 FEET AWAY FROM THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S WHERE EVERYBODY KIND OF GATHERS AROUND.

SO TO ME, 200, 300 FEET SEEMS RIDICULOUS. THAT'S MY THOUGHT.

WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE GAS-FED ONES? IT'S LIKE A GAS GRILL, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHERE CAN YOU PUT A GAS GRILL? IT'S ABOUT THE SAME THING.

I'M THINKING OF THE REALLY PRETTY GAS-FED WITH GLASS IN THERE. YEAH, YEAH, YOU KNOW, USUALLY THOSE ARE DIRECT VENTED, SO YOU'RE 10 FOOT, 2 FEET AWAY, SO YOU'RE ALREADY UP IN THE AIR, YOU'RE AWAY DANGER AT THIS POINT. YOU'RE NOT BLOWING BACK, RIGHT? SO THOSE ARE A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF RULES.

IT DOESN'T THE CURRENT ORDINANCE HAVE 300 FEET? TODAY IT'S 250. YEAH, AND I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALISTIC. I THINK THAT'S I DON'T THINK I THINK THE SHAPE'S OPEN BURN ON A SMALL LOT, ON A 1 TO 2 ACRE.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THEN, YES, YOU ARE CORRECT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS, AT THE NEXT ONE. I CAN, I CAN DO SOME RESEARCH AND SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. AND YES, YOU ARE CORRECT, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE FIRE PITS THAT ARE IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS.

YEAH, AND THEY ARE NOT POSING AN ISSUE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? I DO NOT MIND PEOPLE. I MEAN, I HAVE A CHIMNEY. I HAVE A CHIMINEA.

YEAH, I DON'T MIND PEOPLE BURNING. I'M NOT THAT'S THE BUT THAT'S THE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S THE MANUFACTURED THING THAT YOU CAN BE WITHIN 50 FEET.

YEAH, BUT I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT A CHIMINEA AND AN OPEN FIRE, THE SPARKS COME UP THROUGH THE CHIMNEY AND THEY TRAVEL SOMEPLACE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE.

IT'S NOT THAT IT'S GOING TO SPREAD ON THE GROUND AMAZINGLY, BECAUSE NOBODY CREATES A FIRE PIT WITH A BUNCH OF DRY GRASS AROUND IT. I JUST DON'T SEE THAT. I THINK THAT YOU'RE WRONG.

THE THING THAT PEOPLE ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS YOU'RE BURNING RUBBER AND PLASTIC AND TRASH AND STUFF THAT SMELLS BAD AND BLACK SMOKE COMES UP. THE OTHER THING IS YOU'RE BURNING STUFF THAT FLITTERS UP INTO THE AIR. THAT MAY COME DOWN SOMEWHERE.

I UNDERSTAND HOW THAT CAN BE AN ISSUE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF WE'VE GOT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON TODAY. WE NEED TO KEEP THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO COME BACK ON THIS AND WE NEED TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO. IS THERE A NATIONAL FIRE SAFETY THING ABOUT IT? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS.

I LOOKED AT ABOUT 10 CITIES, AND DOUBLE OAK WAS THE MOST THEY HAVE MOSTLY MUCH LARGER ACRE LOTS. THEY HAVE SOME 1-ACRE LOTS, BUT I LOOKED AT FAIRVIEW, I LOOKED AT HEATH, I LOOKED AT LOVEJOY, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH OF ANYTHING. I LOOKED AT I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER ALL THE OTHER ONES I LOOKED AT.

I LOOKED AT ABOUT 10, AND MOST OF THEM HAVE A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET FOR A FIRE PIT, BECAUSE OF THE BURNING. JUST FOR THE EXACT REASON THAT YOU SAID. I MEAN, IF MY NEIGHBOR'S BURNING SOMETHING IN HIS 1-ACRE LOT AND IT BLOWS INTO MY HOUSE, FALLS ON YOUR ROOF.

YEAH, YEAH. SO I NEED TO I GOT ANOTHER APPOINTMENT. I GOTTA GO.

OKAY. ARE Y'ALL GOOD WITH ME RIGHT NOW? YEAH, WE CAN DISCUSS FURTHER. YEAH.

EMAIL IS WORKING NOW. OKAY, PLEASE SHOOT IT BACK OVER AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO OKAY, TO DO THAT. YEAH, WE

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DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WHAT THE CONSTITUENT ASKED ME TO SHARE. DO WE NEED THE NAME? IS IT IMPORTANT? YEAH, I MEAN, IF WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.

OKAY, WELL, THIS PUBLIC COMMENT CAME FROM TERRY LYNCH, AND SHE PROPOSED THAT A 300-FOOT SETBACK FROM ANY STRUCTURE SHE THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE EXCESSIVE DUE TO THE LARGE LOTS THAT WE HAVE.

SHE THOUGHT REDUCING THE MINIMUM SETBACK TO OPEN BURNING TO 100 FEET, AS LONG AS ALL THE OTHER SAFETY REQUIREMENTS WERE MADE. SHE THOUGHT THAT WAS, THAT WAS REASONABLE. AND SHE, SHE ALSO FELT THAT THE CLEAN DRY WOOD LANGUAGE WAS MORE APPLICABLE TO SUBURBAN ORDINANCES, BUT WITH PARKER'S LOT SIZES AND WHAT WE MIGHT BE LIKELY TO BURN, THAT SHE SUGGESTED SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF ONLY ORDINARY COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS CUSTOMARILY USED IN RESIDENTIAL RECREATIONAL FIRES MAY BE BURNED.

THE BURNING OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, HOUSEHOLD GARBAGE, CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS CONTAINING TOXIC SUBSTANCES, TIRES, PLASTIC CHEMICALS, OR OTHER MATERIALS PRODUCING EXCESSIVE TOXIC SMOKE OR FUMES BE PROHIBITED. YEAH, THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE, I'M PRETTY SURE. YEAH, THAT STUFF'S IN THERE ALREADY.

YEAH, THAT'S SO 100 FEET A 2-ACRE LOT IS ABOUT 295 SQUARE FEET. A 1-ACRE LOT, I THINK, IS 205 SQUARE FEET. SO BY THE TIME YOU PUT A HOUSE ON A 1-ACRE LOT, YOU AIN'T GOT 100 FEET FROM IT.

ASSUMING IT'S A PERFECT SQUARE, RIGHT? IT OBVIOUSLY THEY COME IN DIFFERENT SHAPES, BUT THAT'S STILL GOING TO RESTRICT MOST PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO HAVE AN OPEN BURN FIRE PIT.

OKAY, WHAT IF I WERE TO TELL YOU THAT THE NATIONAL FIRE CODE GENERALLY MIRRORS AN IFC CODE 25 FEET FOR OPEN RECREATIONAL FIRES, WITH SOME VERSIONS CITING 10 FEET MINIMUM FOR FULLY CONTAINED COMMERCIALLY MANUFACTURED UNITS? SO I JUST DID A QUICK SEARCH ON THIS. SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT SAYS OUR ORDINANCE COVERS BOTH COMMERCIALLY AND MANUFACTURED UNITS AND PERMANENTLY CONSTRUCTED STONE BRICK METAL ENCLOSURES, ALLOWS UP TO 6 FEET IN DIAMETER.

AT THAT SIZE, A 15-FOOT SETBACK IS ARGUABLY ON THE LOW END.

IFC'S 25-FOOT RECREATIONAL FIRE STANDARD IS MORE DEFENSIBLE BENCHMARK, ESPECIALLY FOR A CONSTRUCTED PIT THAT LARGE. SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO BUMP IT FROM 15 FEET TO 25 FEET IN LINE WITH IFC SECTION 307.4 AND GIVE JUSTIN'S DEPARTMENT A DEFENSIBLE CODE BACK STANDARD.

SO THAT'S A QUICK RUNDOWN ON, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOME HELP ON SOME OF THAT. SO I'M JUST KIND OF THROWING THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE NORMALLY IF WE CAN NORMALLY, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO SOME KIND OF STANDARDS AND EVERYTHING, THEN YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING KIND OF LINED UP WITH THE NORMS. I THINK 25 FEET IS TOO CLOSE FOR AN OPEN BURN FIRE PIT, IS MY OPINION. YEAH, I DID ON CITIES SIMILAR TO OURS. I AGREE.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A NICE CONTAINED FIRE PIT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPEN PIT FIRE PIT.

WHICH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULD BE BURNING ALL SORTS OF STUFF.

AND I DO THINK IT NEEDS 25 IT'S EVEN TOO CLOSE CLEAN DRY WOOD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE HAVE BOTH TRASH PICKUP. YEAH, I MEAN, WE CAN DO MORE RESEARCH ON THE DISTANCE ON THAT.

YEAH, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVERYBODY DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON IT BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME INPUT FROM OUR ATTORNEY AS WELL, WHAT MAKES SENSE FROM THE ATTORNEY'S PERSPECTIVE.

I'D LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING TOO, TO NOT FORGET ABOUT PARKER LAKES. WE DO HAVE SOME THAT ARE 0.4 OF AN ACRE, SO WE HAVE SOME SMALLER CONDENSED LOTS.

YEAH, YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, WHAT'S THE LOT WIDTH NOW? IT'S A 280 OR $300. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MINIMUM AT THE STREET? YEAH, MINIMUM IS $200. OKAY, TYPICALLY YOU GET FAR MORE THAN THAT WHEN YOU'RE 1 ACRE PLUS.

RIGHT OVER THERE IN PARK AND LAKES, YOU'RE RIGHT AT THE MINIMUM. YEAH, I THINK

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IS THAT FAIR? WELL, AREN'T WE DIVIDING IT UP BETWEEN OPEN-FIRED PIT AND THE MANUFACTURED YEAH, AND, AND THE CONTAINED BURNING SITUATION.

YEAH, WELL, WHEN YOU SAY CONTAINED BURNING, ARE YOU SAYING WOOD? I'M SAYING, YEAH, CHIMINEA OR FIREPLACE, OUTDOOR FIREPLACE, THE SOLO STOVES KIND OF STUFF, RIGHT? THAT, THAT'S ONE SITUATION. I MEAN, SO, SO ONE AMOUNT OF FEED IN AN OPEN PIT, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER SITUATION WITH A DIFFERENT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.

YEAH, SAME. SO CHIMINEA IS NOT A FIRE PIT, OR IS IT? I MEAN, HE'S DEFINED IT AS ONE UNDER WELL, HE'S BASICALLY SAYING HE'S INCLUDING A MANUFACTURED HOLDER, HOLDER, HOLDER OF THE FIRE, WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT.

YEAH, CONTAINER, FIRE CONTAINER, AS BEING SOMETHING THAT HE WAS OKAY WITH IT BEING WITHIN 50 FEET OF A STRUCTURE.

MAYBE 50 FEET IS NOT THE RIGHT NUMBER OF FEET. AND THEN AN OPEN FIRE PIT, AS YOU WERE SAYING, FURTHER AWAY. SO I THINK THERE YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, LUCY.

WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA ON THIS THEMSELVES BECAUSE I, I I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE FIRE PITS IN THIS CITY THAT ARE A LOT CLOSER THAN THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE EVER BEEN A PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALWAYS THEORIZE THAT THEY WILL BE A PROBLEM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF LIKE HOW MANY WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE.

OKAY, WELL, ANOTHER THING WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED HERE IS THE TORCHES.

THE TIKI TORCHES. THAT'S AN OPEN FLAME ON A STICK. YEAH, BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY THROW SPARKS OUT IN THE AIR OR HAVE ANY EMBERS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT IF THEY'RE NOT PROPERLY INSERTED IN THE GROUND AND SOMEBODY COMES ALONG AND KNOCKS IT OVER, YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL OF THAT. AND WINDY CONDITIONS.

WINDY CONDITIONS, YEAH.

BUT I'M GOING TO BELIEVE THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE. SO THAT'S I HATE TO MAKE THAT BIG LEAP OF FAITH. BUT I'M GOING TO GIVE EVERYBODY THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THAT PEOPLE HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE.

I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO GO LOOK. I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I ALREADY LOOKED AT ABOUT 10 DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES AND WHAT THEY HAD. HAPPY TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH.

I SPENT SOME TIME WITH CHIEF MILLER AS WELL, SO IF WE WANT TO DO THAT ON THE ONE ASK I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SENSITIVE TO IS THAT HE ASKED FOR SOMETHING TO BE IN PLACE PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO ENTER THE BURN SEASON. SO I THINK IT'S WELL, HE WAS YEAH, HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE FIREWORKS SEASON.

WELL, BUT BURNING PERIOD AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT IF WE DON'T SOLVE IT TONIGHT, WE HAVE TO SOLVE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.

YEAH, WE GOT THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY COMING UP, SO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO STUFF. YEAH, HIS, HIS VIEW IS HE WANTED A LONGER DISTANCE, RIGHT? HE WANTED IT TO BE SIMILAR TO THE WAY IT IS NOW, THE 250.

IS 300 WHAT HE WANTED? 300 IS WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, AND SO I THINK HE WAS ADVOCATING THAT IT STAY THE SAME. BUT I THINK HE SAID EARLIER THAT HE'D BE OKAY WITH 250.

HOW DO WE END UP WITH 15 HERE? RIGHT NOW IT'S 15. I LOOKED AT SOME A FEW STANDARDS OF WHAT PEOPLE SAY, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OKAY, SO OKAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE NEED TO RESIZE THINGS, LET'S, LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES SENSE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I'M SITTING HERE THINKING A FOOTBALL FIELD AWAY IS GOING TO BASICALLY MEAN ALMOST NOBODY CAN HAVE A FIRE PIT.

THAT'S FINE. WELL, IT'S NOT FINE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY HAVE THEM AND USE THEM, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. WELL, YES, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE REDOING THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? NO, WE'RE REDOING IT.

WE'RE REDOING THE ORDINANCE FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO CONFLICTING ORDINANCES TODAY THAT ARE NOT CLEAR, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SUPER CLEAR. WE'RE NOT REDOING IT TO GIVE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CURRENTLY COMPLYING WITH THE RULES A WAY TO GET

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YES, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, BUT IF WE ARE CLOSING OUR EYES TO THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY IS DOING SOMETHING AND WE'RE MAKING RULES THAT ARE NEVER GOING TO BE ENFORCED, THEN WE NEED TO THINK HARD ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO I DIDN'T SAY THAT. OKAY, LET'S BE SUPER CLEAR.

I DID NOT SAY THAT. I KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING, RUSS, SO DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH, PLEASE.

WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT OUR FIRST CHARGE IS PUBLIC SAFETY AND WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING FOR THE CITY, AND WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE FIRE CHIEF.

AND IF WE WANT TO GO BACK AND SAY HEY, DO WE AGREE WITH THIS 250 FEET OR NOT? I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH DOING THAT, BUT I'M NOT PERSONALLY, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN CHANGING THE RULE BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE IT. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION BASED ON SAFETY OF THE GREATER GOOD, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S A FIRE.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO THINGS THAT ARE REASONABLE AND THAT FOLLOW SOME KIND OF NORMAL STANDARD AND NOT MAKE UP OUR OWN.

THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I FEEL. I ALSO FEEL THAT WE NEED TO PERHAPS ASK PEOPLE THAT WE REPRESENT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY WANT AS WELL. 100% AGREE WITH THAT.

OKAY, SO TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT MAKING IT UP. WE THIS IS ACTUALLY BASED ON WHAT THE CURRENT ORDINANCE SAYS. YES, I KNOW THAT, BUT WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? AND I ACTUALLY PERSONALLY LOOKED AT ABOUT 10 DIFFERENT CITIES MYSELF.

YOU KNOW, I'M FINE WITH US GOING BACK AND DOING A BIT MORE RESEARCH AND COMING BACK TO THE TABLE ON THE AMOUNT OF FEE, AND WE SHOULD 100% GET PUBLIC COMMENT. YEP. OKAY.

SO HOW DO WE HANDLE THIS PARTIAL APPROVAL? WELL, I GUESS I GUESS TO ME WE'RE KIND OF IN THE MARKUP AND ADJUSTMENT PHASE STILL. AND WE'VE GOT THIS KIND OF ONE STICKING POINT THAT WE NEED TO GET RESOLVED.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY OTHER SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO HASH OUT HERE, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WE GO AND HAVE THE NEXT MEETING WHERE WE HOPEFULLY GET THIS THING HAMMERED OUT. SO JUST TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE DOWN TO FEET AWAY FROM SOMETHING FOR ARE WE OKAY WITH THE 50 FEET FOR THE CONTAINER PIECE, BUT IT'S THE OPEN BURN PIT THAT WE'RE OPEN, OR IS IT BOTH OF THEM THAT'S OPEN? THERE'S NO DISTINCTION. THE FIRE PIT.

IT'S A FIRE PIT. OKAY, SO THE OPEN FIRE PIT, THE FIRE PIT AS IT'S DEFINED IN THE DEFINITIONS HERE.

OKAY, SORRY, I'M NOT I'M STILL NOT SURE.

THE DEFINITION DOESN'T MAKE THAT DISTINCTION, SO IT'S JUST FIRE PIT. PIT. I THINK THAT HE MADE THE DISTINCTION IN HIS DRAFT WHERE HE HAD THE SOLAR STORE MANUFACTURED PIECE AT 50 FEET IN JUSTIN'S VERSION OF IT, AND THEN HE HAD THE OPEN PIT AT 300.

MAYBE THAT'S OUR SOLUTION, IS TO HAVE BECAUSE I AGREE, THE SITUATION IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. YEAH. THAT'S HOW WE HANDLE IT.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE, WE NEED TO COME TO AGREEMENT ON BOTH OF THE DISTANCES FOR BOTH OF THOSE THINGS, RIGHT? OKAY, AND BOTH OF THOSE ARE STILL OPEN.

YEAH, SO MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE, HAVE A DIFFERENT DEFINITION.

SO I JUST WANT TO LET ME RESTATE A COUPLE THINGS.

SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING THAT IS BURNING CLEAN FIREWOOD? LET'S JUST CALL IT THAT. OKAY. SO WHETHER IT'S A FIREPLACE THAT HAS BEEN BUILT ON A BACK PATIO OR A CHIMINEA OR A CONTAINER OF SOME KIND THAT IS HOLDING WOOD THAT'S BURNING, AS OPPOSED TO A FIRE PIT, WHICH IS A CLEANED-OUT AREA GENERALLY ON THE GROUND, WHICH IS USUALLY SURROUNDED BY FIRE BRICK AND OTHER STUFF TO JUST KIND OF MAKE IT LOOK NICE.

OR A RING, A METAL RING.

YEAH, YES, I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO DISTINCT DIFFERENT.

OKAY, YEAH, IN MY MIND IT'S VERY DIFFERENT.

OKAY, EXACTLY, BECAUSE I'M JUST IN MY MIND I'M JUST PICTURING, OKAY, SO I'VE BUILT A FIREPLACE, AND I KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE THIS. THEY HAVE A FIREPLACE, IT BURNS WOOD, IT'S RIGHT ON THEIR BACK PATIO, IT'S NOT 50 FEET AWAY FROM ANYTHING, RIGHT? HE WAS OKAY WITH THAT.

YEAH.

OKAY, BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM, HE'S NOT HERE TO ASK, SO IN FAIRNESS YEAH, THAT, THAT'S TO ME IS NOT A

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YEAH, IT HAS A CHIMNEY, IT'S SO IT'S THE FIRE IS MORE OR LESS CONTAINED WITHIN THE STRUCTURE, RIGHT? AND HOPEFULLY WHAT COMES OUT IS NOT ACTIVELY BURNING DEBRIS.

YEAH, BUT WE I MEAN, JUST TO BE FAIR, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A CASE OF SOMETHING COMING OUT OF A CHIMNEY THAT GOES FLYING THROUGH THE AIR. I MEAN, THAT'S ALL AND THE CHANCES OF IT HAPPENING ARE VERY LOW.

DON'T YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENS, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE GOT IT. WE GOT TO CALL THINGS KIND OF THE SAME WHEN THEY'RE THE SAME, YOU KNOW, NOT BECAUSE THEY LOOK DIFFERENT, OKAY? WE GOT TO CALL THEM THE SAME IF THEY ACTUALLY ACT THE SAME. AND THE FIREPLACE IS THE SIZE IS MORE OR LESS CONTAINED, WHEREAS YOUR FIRE PIT, YOU HAD A 6 FEET.

YEAH, I MEAN, WE COULD MAKE IT 3 FEET OR 4 FEET, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CLEARED AREA.

SO, OKAY, ALL RIGHT. OKAY, AND THEN WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING THOUGH? SHOOT, I DON'T REMEMBER.

THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE. THE DRY CLEAN WOOD. ARE WE STICKING TO THAT? I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

I BELIEVE SO. YEAH. LUCY, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CLEAN DRY WOOD? I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT FIREWOOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE, RIGHT? BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE THE BURNING.

BUT ANYWAY, IT'S MY JOB TO BRING THE INFORMATION TO YOU. AND ONE OTHER COMMENT IS SOME OF US ACTUALLY HAVE THINGS THAT BURN, WOOD, RIGHT IN OUR LIVING ROOM. AND YOU ALWAYS WONDER ABOUT WHEN YOU GO OUTSIDE AND YOU SEE ALL THE SPARKS WELL, AND YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE FIREPLACE, THE WOOD-BURNING FIREPLACE, IS CONSTRUCTED.

BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE ACTUALLY HAVE SPARK-ARRESTING CAPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SOME DO NOT.

AND IT DEPENDS ON WHEN IT WAS BUILT AND WHAT THE CODE IS AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU CALL IT. YOU GOT TO KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT. WHAT YOU CALL IT? WHAT YOU CALL IT? OKAY, SO WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THEN THAT WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

WE HAVE MANUFACTURED TYPE CONTAINERS AND FIREPLACES VERSUS AN OPEN BURN FIRE PIT.

OKAY, AND WE NEED TO COME BACK WITH PROPOSALS ON DISTANCE FOR BOTH OF THOSE THINGS. IS THAT RIGHT? SOUNDS REASONABLE TO ME.

OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY, SO WE KNOW WHAT THE TASK IS.

HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.

WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO GET OUT TO EVERYONE, SEND IT TO LILLY AND LET LILLY DISPERSE IT. OKAY? YEP, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO THIS IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS AGAIN.

WE'RE MEETING IN NOT NEXT WEEK, BUT THE WEEK AFTER. 6/11.

WHAT? I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE. OKAY. JUNE 11TH, 1979.

THAT WAS MY START DATE AT TEXAS INSTRUMENTS. OKAY, I WILL JUST GOT THAT ON THE RECORD.

OKAY, I REMEMBER THAT DATE.

YEAH, 1969. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? '79. '79, NOT '69.

I WAS ONLY 8. OKAY, I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT. LEE, DID YOU HEAR MY COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT, I HAD ASKED LILY TO CHECK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THE AMOUNT OF CITATIONS THAT THEY HAD ISSUED IN THE LAST 5 YEARS FOR FIREWORKS SPECIFICALLY.

I DON'T THINK I DID TOO MUCH.

WELL, THEY DO. THERE'S ZERO CITATIONS.

THEY HAD, I THINK THEY SAID, A COUPLE OF WARNINGS, BUT THAT WAS IT FOR FIREWORKS. SO THAT, IF LILY, CAN YOU PROVIDE THAT TO HER. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD DO THE SAME.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I ASKED ABOUT THE FIRE PITS, IF WE'D EVER HAD ANY CALLS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT

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HE SAID THEY GOT A LOT OF CALLS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO CATCH THOSE PEOPLE. IT'S ALREADY FLOWN BY THE TIME THEY GET THERE.

THERE WERE A LOT OF CALLS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF BY THE TIME THE POLICE GOT TO THE CALL IF IT WAS STILL GOING ON.

SITUATION, OR IF THEY WERE ABLE TO CHASE IT DOWN. YEAH, CHIEF PRICE COULD SPEAK TO. OKAY, OKAY.

SO ITEM 2, I THINK WE'RE DONE FOR TONIGHT. ROUTINE ITEMS, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ANYBODY KNOW OF ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEM BESIDES THE ONE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT? OKAY, THEN THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO ADJOURN. 5:41. LUCY, YOU'RE FREE TO GO.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.