Mar 12, 2026 Planning & Zoning

[CALL TO ORDER]

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OKAY, WE'RE CALLING TO ORDER THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR MARCH 12, 2026, AT 4 P.M. CALL TO ORDER, SO ROLL CALL, DETERMINATION OF QUORUM. WE HAVE PLENTY OF FOLKS HERE TONIGHT. SO WE ONLY HAVE ONE MISSING AT THE MOMENT, WHICH IS JASMINE SUTERA. SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH OUR PLEDGES.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG; I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

OKAY, NEXT ITEM HERE, REAL QUICK, PUBLIC COMMENTS. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT NEED TO BE PUBLICIZED? NOPE? OKAY, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE'RE GOING ON. FIRST ITEM ON THE

[1.CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY 12, 2026.]

ALL IN FAVOR? OKAY, MEETING MINUTES APPROVED. NEXT ITEM

[2.CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON KINGSWOOD ESTATES ADDITION PRELIMINARY PLAT.]

SO THIS PLAT IS BEING SUBMITTED FOR SUBDIVISION. THIS IS A SMALLER SCALE SUBDIVISION OF ABOUT SIX, NOT ABOUT SPECIFICALLY, SIX SINGLE FAMILY HOME SITES, ALL EXCEEDING TWO ACRES IN SIZE. HISTORY OF THE SUBDIVISION, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING, THEY BEING THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN WORKING WITH CITY STAFF FOR AT LEAST 12 MONTHS. I THINK THE HISTORY GOES BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN THAT. HOWEVER, THE PROGRESS WAS SLOWED DOWN BY THE DEVELOPMENT MORATORIUM THAT WAS IN PLACE. I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT THIS WILL BE OUR FIRST SIGNIFICANT SUBDIVISION THAT WILL BE SERVED BY WILEY ISD.

SO THAT'S THREE ISDS NOW. SO HERE'S A PLAT RENDERING, AND I CAN COME BACK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT LATER IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. WE'VE GOT SEVERAL LOTS ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THEN ONE LOT THAT WILL BE HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. THE CONNECTION IS TO MCCREARY, AND THIS VICINITY MAP GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT. WE'VE GOT BROOKS FARM HERE. WE'VE GOT, I BELIEVE, THIS IS MOSS RIDGE. I'M STILL LEARNING ALL THE VARIOUS SUBDIVISIONS. AND THEN DOWN HERE, WE'VE GOT MCCREARY ESTATES, CORRECT? MCCREARY CREEK ESTATES. SO, AS I MENTIONED IN THE PAST, YOU'RE BECOMING VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS. THIS IS A MINISTERIAL ITEM. SO THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO EITHER APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, OR DENY.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL BE WARRANTED IN THIS SITUATION.

AND THOSE CONDITIONS BEING THAT THE VARIANCES BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR, ONE, THE CUL-DE-SAC LENGTH EXCEEDING A MAXIMUM OF 600 FEET, THE REQUEST OF A SPLIT ENTRY IN LIEU OF TWO POINTS OF CONNECTIONS, AND THEN A VARIANCE FOR NO SCREENING WHILE IN BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL SITE AND THE EXISTING STORAGE UNITS ON ADJACENT PROPERTY. YOU BET.

DEVELOPER BUILDER. THERE'S ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT OF LANDSCAPE THERE ALREADY AND WE'RE GOING TO JUST ADD TO THAT. AND WE FIGURE THAT'S BETTER THAN A BIG WALL ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET THERE. SO IF WE CAN BACK UP TO THE PLAT, THERE YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY. SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS

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ENTRANCE SO THAT THERE IS AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THE PROPERTY. AND WITH THAT, ACTUALLY KIND OF PUSHING BACK WHERE THERE'S NOT TWO LANES, PUSHING BACK CLOSER TO THAT CUL-DE-SAC, IN CASE.

THE 600 FOOT WAS A REQUIREMENT BY FIRE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT GETS THEM TWO POINTS OF ACCESS, GETTING THEM CLOSER TO THAT CUL-DE-SAC. YEAH, THERE'LL BE AN ENTRANCE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING AND STUFF IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN AN EXIT COMING OUT TO THE STREET. THERE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PULL UP THE CIVIL PLANS THAT MIGHT. YES, MA'AM. OH, YES, MA'AM, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO GO LEFT, ACTUALLY, RIGHT THERE. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO TURN RIGHT AND ACTUALLY DO A U-TURN. NO, MA'AM. CAN I JUST ASK YOU TO CLARIFY, YOU SAID REGARDING THE SCREENING FOR THE PARKER STORAGE AREA, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO LANDSCAPING? ARE YOU PLANTING TREES? THAT'S JUST A CONCEPT NOW, NOTHING SPECIFIC? NOTHING SPECIFIC, BUT YES, DEFINITELY SOME PLANT MATERIAL THERE.

BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE SELF-STORAGE STRUCTURES THERE ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE A HIGH-END SUBDIVISION.

WE ALREADY HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A REAL... SO WE WANT TO MAKE THAT NICE FOR OUR PEOPLE. WE JUST FIGURED THAT DOING LANDSCAPE SCREEN.

SO HERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE EXIT AND ENTRANCE POINTS OFF OF MCCREARY. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY EXTENDED THAT FURTHER WEST THAN WHAT WE REALLY PROBABLY NEEDED TO DO. WE DID THAT TO HELP WITH THE VARIANCE ON THE 600 FOOT, SO THAT... FIRE WOULD HAVE TWO ENTRANCES PRETTY FAR INTO THE SUBDIVISION BEFORE IT GOES DOWN TO A TWO-LANE TO THAT CUL-DE-SAC. SURE.

REQUIRE SECOND... YEAH, IT'S A... AND GENERALLY, THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO ALWAYS HAVE, TWO ENTRANCES, SO YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT, BUT THERE ARE ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS AROUND THE CITY BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, WHERE IT'S LOCATED, AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING, THE STREET, THE CUL-DE-SAC'S OVER 600 FEET, BUT IN ORDER TO KIND OF MITIGATE THAT, THEY SPLIT THE ENTRANCE TO ALLOW FOR... PASSING VEHICLES AND EVERYTHING, SO TO BASICALLY HAVE MORE ROOM FOR THEM TO GET IN AND OUT. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I KIND OF LIKE TO SEE THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENT.

ON THE OWNER'S ADDRESS, ON THE WAIVER AND THE DEPARTMENT APPLICATION, IT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S ON THE PLAT. THAT WAS ACTUALLY JUST BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION JUST NOW. SO ONE IS... THE P.O. BOX THAT WE HAVE LISTED IS NORMALLY JUST FOR LEGAL DOCUMENTS AND STUFF, JUST TO HAVE A PHYSICAL ADDRESS THAT NEVER CHANGES. OKAY. BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE MATCH UP, BOTH THE APPLICATION AND IT.

OKAY, YEAH, BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE THE APPLICATION WAS A HOME ADDRESS. YES, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S WHY WE USE A LOT OF TIMES THE PO, BECAUSE THAT WON'T CHANGE.

OKAY. AND I DON'T SEE ANY SETBACK LINES ON THESE PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, ON YOUR PLAT. CURRENTLY, IT WOULD BE, YEAH, ON THE SIDE PLANE. OKAY.

BUT USUALLY WE SEE THEM ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND ON THE FINAL PLAT AS WELL. AND THERE WOULD, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SETBACKS FOR THE PROPERTIES AND WHERE THEY'LL BE. OKAY. AND THEN I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A VISIBILITY ACCESS MAINTENANCE AT THE CORNER OF, WHERE IS THAT? WELL, CAN YOU SPEED IN THAT LOT SIX? I DON'T, I DON'T. UM. TYPICALLY, AT A

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YEAH, SO THE... YOU CAN SEE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS ALSO LINED ON THE NORTH SIDE WITH A 20-FOOT WATER EASEMENT AND THEN UTILITY EASEMENT ON THAT SIDE, SO THAT WOULD PREVENT ANY STRUCTURES WITHIN THAT EASEMENT AS WELL.

AND THEN I DO BELIEVE THE 20-FOOT WATER EXTENDS ON THE SOUTH SIDE AS WELL, SO I THINK BY RIGHT ON THAT EASEMENT, STRUCTURES WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED, BUT WE CAN ADD THE 25 BY 25 IF NECESSARY. I JUST DON'T THINK WE KNOW WHERE THOSE DRIVEWAYS WILL SIT CURRENTLY. RIGHT. YOU SPEAK TO THAT. SURE, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. WHILE THE SETBACKS MAY NOT HAVE BEEN LISTED ON THE PLAT, EASEMENTS AND SETBACKS WILL CERTAINLY APPLY IN THIS SITUATION, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH VISIBILITY FOR THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION INTO THE STREET THAT'S BEING ADDED HERE. I GUESS WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT A DRIVEWAY DIDN'T SUDDENLY APPEAR IN THE 25TH STREET. PROBABLY WILL APPEAR THERE. IT'S GOT TO GO TO THE ROAD. IT'S GOT TO CROSS THE EASEMENT. RIGHT, OKAY. SO THAT NOTHING ELSE APPEARS. AND THERE ARE SIDEBAR DITCHES TO THIS ROAD AS WELL.

SO, I GUESS, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM ADDING IT TO THE PLAN. I THINK WE JUST NEED MORE INFORMATION ON, BECAUSE THE, WELL, LIKE YOU SAID. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ADD IT TO THE PLAN. I THINK WE'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY NOT REQUIRED.

OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM. I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE TREES ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, WHERE THE FENCE IS. I COULD SEE ON THE PLAT THAT YOU'RE LEAVING THE FENCE. FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL TREE LINE, IT LOOKS LIKE. I TALKED TO THREE OF THE HOMEOWNERS IN BROOKS FARM THAT LIVE ON THAT STRIP, AND THEY'RE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHERE THE SWALE IS IN RELATIONSHIP TO THOSE TREES.

I THINK THEY'RE HAPPY THAT THERE'S A SWALE THERE BECAUSE THERE IS A TON OF WATER BACK THERE. I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW THE DISTANCE THERE AND THE TREES. YEAH, SO I THINK THE SWALE IS SET AROUND 20, 25 FEET OFF OF THAT PROPERTY LINE.

BEING THAT THERE'S NOT A TREE MITIGATION STANDARD FOR THE CITY, WE DIDN'T PROVIDE A MITIGATION PLAN FOR IT, BUT I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO IT ON IF THE PLAN IS TO LEAVE THOSE TREES OR NOT.

YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE EVERYTHING THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DREW US TO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS THE AMOUNT OF TREES. AND SO ONE OF THE CLIENTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DESIGNED THE HOME FOR, I MEAN, HIS WHOLE... SO WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE EVERYTHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE OUT. AND AS HOMES GET BUILT, I'M SURE THAT MY CLIENTELE THAT LIKES TO HAVE THEIR PRIVACY AS WELL, IF THERE'S NOT SOME PRIVACY. A LOT OF TREES. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? YES. WITH THOSE THREE VARIANCES, RECOMMEND APPROVAL, WITH THE CONDITION OF THOSE THREE VARIANCES BEING APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS. I MOVE THAT.

WE RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH THE CONDITION ON THESE THREE VARIANCES IN THE ENGINEERING LETTER.

THERE'S ONLY TWO SO, BUT

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MOTION CARRIES. RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.

[3.DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL’S REFERRAL OF CHAPTER 153 REGARDING SIGNS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION. [2025 0401 CC Review Referral, 2025 0724 P&Z 1st Review, 2025 0807 P&Z 2nd Review, 2025 0904 P&Z 3rd Review, and 2026 0108 P&Z 4th Review]]

OKAY, SO THIS IS SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST HERE, AND I GUESS WE HAVE A MAYOR HERE. IS THERE, I'M JUST GOING TO ASK IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS CLARITY ON WHAT COUNCIL WAS REFERRING TO P&Z, BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION. THE LAST TIME, THAT THEY WANTED THE OVERALL ORDINANCE REVIEWED, THE SIGN ORDINANCE, BECAUSE IT HADN'T BEEN LOOKED AT IN A LONG TIME. AND THEN THERE WAS TWO PARTS OF THAT THAT THEY WERE IN PARTICULARLY CONCERNED WITH.

THE FIRST PART WAS ELECTRONIC SIGNS. WHICH ARE PROHIBITED IN THE CITY OF PARKER AT THIS TIME. AND COUNCIL WAS WONDERING IF THAT IS STILL WHAT SHOULD BE DONE, OR IF THAT SHOULD BE AMENDED, REVISED, CHANGED, AND IF SO, IN WHAT FORM OR FASHION. THE OTHER HAS TO DO WITH POLITICAL SIGNS IN THAT MANY OTHER CITIES AROUND US, AND I BELIEVE YOU HAD IN YOUR PACKET THE ORDINANCE FROM THE CITY OF LUCAS AND THE ORDINANCE FROM THE CITY OF ALLEN. THEY LIMIT THE NUMBER OF POLITICAL SIGNS THAT CAN BE AT A POLLING PLACE, WHICH THE CITY HALL IS, DURING AN EARLY ELECTION AND ON ELECTION DAY. COUNCIL IS WONDERING WHETHER WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE SAME TYPE OF LIMITS OR NOT. AND IF SO, THE ORDINANCE DOES ALREADY DEFINE SIZE OF THE SIGNS, BUT IF WE LIMIT SIGNS, SHOULD WE LIMIT WHICH SIZE? AND THAT'S WHAT...

WITH COUNCIL, THIS LITTLE BOY. SECOND ITEM, OKAY, THERE'S LIKE THREE THINGS, RIGHT? ALL THIS, YEAH, AND AND ADDITIONAL ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA. WE WENT THROUGH ALL THIS AND WE VOTED ON IT AND MADE A DECISION, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED? I ASSUME IT GOT PASSED ALONG THE COUNCIL OR WHATEVER, MR. CHAIR, IF I MIGHT, I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CALM COMMENTS AND CONTEXT TO PROVIDE. OKAY, SO YES, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU MADE TO CITY COUNCIL WAS REJECTED, AND THE COUNCIL ASKED FOR THIS ITEM TO COME BACK TO YOU. SO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR? I THINK MAYOR PEDAL ALREADY KIND OF PROVIDED THE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT, BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE POLITICAL SIGNS. THIS IS KIND OF AN OVERLOOK. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF HYPERBOLE ON WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE AT CITY HALL.

BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR, STAFF'S ASKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION FOR A MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE TO COINCIDE WITH THESE ELECTIONS. SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING TO ADDRESS ON A REGULAR BASIS ARE THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO PULL SIGNS BACK OFF OF THAT. INTERSECTION VISIBILITY TRIANGLE THERE AT PARKER ROAD. WE'VE GOT VEGETATION TO MANAGE, ESPECIALLY IN THE SPRING.

WE'RE MOWING, WEED EATING, APPLYING CHEMICALS, FERTILIZER. AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE LITTER, THE AFTER-FACT CLEANUP. A LOT OF FOLKS WILL NOT COME AND PICK UP THOSE SIGNS, AND SO STAFF ARE HAVING TO GO OUT THERE AND COLLECT. AND THEN, IF A STORM COMES THROUGH, ALL THOSE SIGNS ARE MAKING THEIR WAY OVER TO THE PRESERVE AND THE CREEK, AND THEN WE'RE FINDING THEM MONTHS LATER. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FOUR-YEAR FURTHER DISCUSSION HERE, WOULD BE TO PUT A CAP ON IT FOR THREE SIGNS. AND THEN MAKE THOSE SUBJECT TO OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE AS FAR AS THE SIZING GOES. I THOUGHT WE DID.

WE DID. THAT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION. WAS IT FOR A MAXIMUM OF THREE SIGNS? I WAS PRETTY SURE. EITHER THREE OR FOUR. I THINK IT WAS THREE.

THERE WAS SQUARE FOOTAGE.

YEAH, THERE WAS SQUARE FOOTAGE.

DID IT HAVE ONE HUGE ONE OR A MIX OF SMALL ONES? WELL, YEAH, THERE WAS A MAXIMUM OF 40 SQUARE FEET OR 30. WHAT WAS IT? SO, I THINK WE ASSUME THE SIGNS ARE LIKE FOUR SQUARE FEET, APIECE, YOU KNOW, TWO BY TWO OR SOMETHING

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HUGE. WELL, NOT HUGE, BUT JUST 12 SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING. BUT ANYWAY, I GUESS WE... WE HAD A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION OF NUMBERS AND SIZE. RIGHT. SO I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THIS, BECAUSE SOMETHING I THINK HAS GOTTEN LOST IN TRANSLATION.

JINX, GIVE ME A COKE. OKAY, SO, YES, BECAUSE WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME KIND OF CUSSING AND DISCUSSING THIS ONE. WE EVEN WENT INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO MAKE SURE WE CAME OUT.

THAT'S REGARDING THE POLITICAL SIGNS AND WITH THE LIGHTED SIGNS. I KNOW... WE, CORRECT ME IF THIS ISN'T WHAT YOU GUYS RECALL, BUT WE ULTIMATELY, SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE CHURCH, DEFERRED THAT TO ZVA FOR THEM TO REQUEST A VARIANCE. RIGHT.

IF THE DESIRE IS, AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DESIRE IS ABOUT. WHETHER OR NOT TO LIFT THE RESTRICTION ON LIT SIGNS. IF WE DO THAT, I'M GOING TO NEED AN EDUCATION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT.

DIFFERENCE OF LED BRIGHTNESS IS. I MEAN, I KNOW 2700 KELVIN AND ALL OF THAT, BUT FOR A LIT SIGN, THEN YOU'RE GETTING INTO SCROLLING AND FLASHING, AND HOW MANY SECONDS CAN THAT HAPPEN? AND IF THAT'S WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET DEEP INTO THE WEEDS.

RIGHT, BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT IS THAT, OKAY, YOU HAVE A LIT SIGN, BUT YOU HAVE A SIGN THAT'S LIGHTED.

NOW, THE CITY OF PARKER HAS LIGHTED SIGNS. THEY DON'T? THE MONUMENT SIGNS, WHEN YOU COME INTO THE CITY OF PARKER, THEY HAVE LIGHTS SHINING ON THEM? YEAH, THEY'RE LIGHTED SIGNS.

RIGHT, BUT I WAS JUST BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE SOME OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS WERE, OKAY, IF YOU HAVE LIGHTS SHINING ON A SIGN, YOU GET SOME AMOUNT OF REFLECTION AND EVERYTHING, RIGHT? IF YOU HAVE A SIGN THAT'S LIGHTED FROM BEHIND, YOU GET SOME AMOUNT OF LIGHTING AND EVERYTHING.

SO, YOU KNOW, TO A LOT OF THE POINTS YOU MADE, IT'S MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS IT DISTRACTING, IS IT FLASHING, IS IT, YOU KNOW, SCROLLING? OR WHATEVER.

BUT WE NEED TO GO BACK AND I GUESS, REVISIT THAT, BUT WE HAD A LOT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS. I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT IT MORE AS A ONE-OFF EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, RATHER THAN FOR US TO ESTABLISH A RULE THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE LIT SIGNS. SO WE ALREADY HAVE LAWS IN PLACE, BUT IF SOMEBODY NEEDS SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT. THEY NEED TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE OR WHATEVER THE PROCEDURE IS.

RIGHT. INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT, OKAY, LET'S ALL BE ABLE TO HAVE LIT SIGNS. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A POINT THAT I DON'T KNOW, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT MUCH. BUT, OKAY, SO LET'S SAY THAT NOW I HAVE A POLITICAL SIGN THAT'S BATTERY POWERED AND HAS LEDS ON IT. OKAY. OKAY. I MEAN. YOU KNOW, I REALLY DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ONE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT YOU PROBABLY COULDN'T HAVE. A, YOU KNOW, A LIP SIGN THAT PEOPLE COULD SEE AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND SO THE QUESTION IS, IS IT DISTRACTING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IT LOOKS LIKE CHRISTMAS, OR, YOU KNOW. SO, LIKE I SAY, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK, I THINK, AND REVIEW, GET ALL OF OUR REVIEW MATERIALS AND REVISIT THIS AGAIN. AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO LIGHTED SIGNS, IF THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR A SPECIFIC SET OF REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS CONCERNING THEM. AS OPPOSED TO DOING IT AS A ONE-OFF, AS A VARIANCE, THEN WE NEED TO, I GUESS, GET OUT OUR SPECTROMETERS AND EVERYTHING AND START MEASURING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE BRIGHTNESS. YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T BE LIKE POLICE.

LIGHTS THAT BLIND YOU AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YEAH, SO ONE THING WE DID TALK ABOUT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO BE DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT? BECAUSE SIGNAGE CHANGE, THE WAY YOU PUT UP SIGNS CAN CHANGE. I MEAN, MAYBE WE'LL HAVE HOLOGRAPHIC SIGNS THAT SPIN AROUND, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S HERE NOW, RIGHT? THAT TECHNOLOGY IS HERE NOW. SO, RATHER THAN... THEN

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RULES AND REGULATIONS, BECAUSE I'M SURE WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE BEEN TASKED WITH THIS. AND WE CAN COPY AND PASTE OR WHATEVER, OR COPY AND IMPROVE. SO, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT THIS... CHALLENGE ACCEPTED. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED. I THINK WE NEED TO PUT THIS...

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THIS ON THE NEXT ITEM AGENDA FOR US TO REALLY GO THROUGH IT AGAIN, I THINK.

BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE REALLY CAN'T DO IT DURING A MEETING, RIGHT? WE WOULD HAVE TO... IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU NEED A WORKSHOP.

YEAH. WE DID GET... LILIANA SENT US... WAS IT LAST SUMMER? THE... SIGN ORDINANCES FROM FIVE MUNICIPALITIES, DIFFERENT SIZES, LAVON AND LUCAS, BUT THERE WAS A LARGER CITY, TOO, SO WE CAN REVISIT THAT AS PART OF THE WORKSHOP.

BUT I GUESS I'M KIND OF FLUX-MUGGING ON THAT. I'VE LOOKED INTO IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME UNLESS I KNEW WHAT WE WERE DOING.

BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO JUST SAY, YES, YOU CAN HAVE LED SIGNS BECAUSE THAT COULD BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. RIGHT.

BUT I THINK, OKAY, SO TO THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THIS, YOU KNOW, WORKSHOP, IF YOU WILL, ON SIGNS, AS A, TO ME, AS A REGULAR MEETING. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TIME BOX IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO GO TO 10 O'CLOCK OR 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IF WE NEED TO SPEND AN HOUR OR TWO ON IT, WE SHOULD DO THAT, PROBABLY. DO WE HAVE, DID WE GET ORDINANCES FROM CITIES THAT ARE SIMILAR, IN THE SENSE THAT CITIES THAT DON'T HAVE COMMERCIAL? WELL, VERY, VERY... YEAH, WE CAN EASILY GET ALL THAT. YEAH, WE HAVE... YEAH. YEAH, WE CAN EASILY GET ALL THAT IN... AI IS YOUR FRIEND. CHAT GPT. OR GROK. OR GEMINI. CLAUDE. OR CLAUDE. OKAY. OKAY, SO NOW ON THIS, I GUESS... DO WE NEED A MOTION? WE... LET'S...

YEAH, LET'S... I GUESS WE SHOULD... I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE US TO DO IS SET ASIDE A MEETING WHERE WE JUST USE THIS AS WORKSHOP TIME AND SPEND AN HOUR OR TWO. AND SEE HOW FAR WE GET ON THAT AND GET ALL OF OUR STUFF TOGETHER. I THINK THAT ALSO PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, TO GET SOME INPUT FROM THE CITY RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT. YEAH, IT'S OPEN MEETING, SO IT'S COMPLETELY... YEAH. WE DID? OKAY. OKAY. SO DO WE, I THINK, IF EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH PUTTING THAT AS A NEW ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR WHATEVER OUR NEXT MEETING IS, OKAY, SO WE'LL JUST DO THAT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY SPECIFIC MOTION FOR THAT, BUT GO AHEAD. DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO SEPARATE OUT POLITICAL SIDES FROM THE... I THINK WE HAVE.

TO YEAH, YEAH, OH WELL, WE, WE. WE HAD RECOMMENDED THREE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MINUTES AGO WAS THAT. WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT OUR MINUTES. YEAH, MOTION PASSED. YEAH, I HAVE ALL THE MINUTES, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE.

THEN, TO AT LEAST, WASN'T THE LAST MEETING, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, WASN'T THE LAST MEETING, SO MAYBE THE ONE BEFORE? I HAVE IT PULLED UP. SEE IF YOU CAN TELL US WHAT WE'RE MISSING. MAYBE IT JUST ENDED UP BEING A DEMENTIA.

TOTAL. I DON'T KNOW. WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT. FOUR. FOUR SIGNS PER ISSUE OR CANDIDATE.

WITH MAXIMUM OF TOTAL SIGNAGE, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 16 SQUARE FEET AT THE POLLING PLACE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE RECOMMENDED.

SO, FOUR SIGNS. THAT'S FOUR TWO-BY-TWO SIGNS. AND 16 TOTAL SQUARE FEET. SO WE CAN MOVE THAT, MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT AGAIN. IS THAT IN CONTRADICTION TO THE ORDINANCE NOW? I FEEL LIKE COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT THAT THE SIZE, NOT THE NUMBER, BUT THE SIZE WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE. I FEEL LIKE I REMEMBER. I'M NOT SURE. I MEAN, TECHNICALLY,

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OKAY. PRECISELY. WHICH WAS WHAT? I DO NOT KNOW THOSE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. YEAH, AND DID WE SAY ANYTHING ABOUT, I MEAN, WEREN'T THERE ALREADY RULES AND REGULATIONS ABOUT HOW SOON YOU CAN PLACE THEM AND WHEN THEY HAVE TO BE REMOVED? I THINK SO. WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE...

BUT I MEAN, THE WAY, TO ME, THE WAY THAT SHOULD WORK IS.

YOU CAN PUT THEM OUT LIKE A DAY BEFORE, WHATEVER THE, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER VOTING BEGINS, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT TO BE GONE THREE DAYS AFTER. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYTHING TODAY. I DON'T REMEMBER. YEAH.

FROM WHAT I READ, AND I MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD, MAYBE SUSAN CAN ENLIGHTEN US, WHEN I READ OUR ORDINANCE, WE HAD 24 HOURS BEFORE TO PUT IT UP AND 24 HOURS AFTER TO TAKE IT DOWN, WHICH WE ALL KNOW ISN'T HAPPENING. I MEAN, THEY GO UP WAY AHEAD AND THEY COME DOWN IN A TRICKLE. I WAS GOING TO ASK STAFF, SO THE RECOMMENDATION WAS THREE, AND YOU'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH TRASH. POST THE TIME, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I REMEMBER THE ELECTION TWO YEARS AGO, THEY WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO LIMIT.

RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO, IS IT EASIER, I MEAN, SHOULD WE BE FINING PEOPLE FOR NOT PICKING THEM UP? LIKE, HOW BIG OF A PROBLEM IS IT ACTUALLY? WE JUST END UP PICKING THEM UP.

IF THEY WANT THEM, THEY CAN COME GET THEM AND HAVE TO PAY TO COME BACK. THEY NEVER DO. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO THEM. I THINK WE'RE BEING HONEST.

BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A LIMIT, THOUGH. WE DON'T HAVE A LIMIT AT ALL TODAY. RIGHT. I THINK FUR IS GENEROUS, TO BE HONEST. THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH SPACE OUT THERE. SO THAT WAS ALREADY OUR RECOMMENDATION.

WAS THERE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT? NO, THERE'S NO PROBLEM. OKAY. OH. THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR A POLITICAL POLLING PLACE.

WHAT IF THE RECOMMENDATION WAS SOMETHING A LITTLE SIMPLER, LIKE YOU CAN HAVE ONE 48 BY 48 SIGN, OR... THREE, WHAT ARE THOSE TWO LITTLE YARD SIGNS? I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THOSE ARE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO. WE WERE TRYING TO SAY, OKAY, TYPICALLY WHAT YOU SEE ARE TWO BY TWO BY TWO, OKAY? SO ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, 16 SQUARE FEET. OR, IF YOU WANT ONE, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TWO FEET TALL AND EIGHT FEET LONG. TODAY, GENERALLY, THEY'RE EITHER THOSE 2X2 YARD SIGNS OR THEY'RE THE 48X48 SIGNS THAT PEOPLE ARE BUYING, AND THEY'RE TAKING THEIR SIGNS FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE, AND THEY'RE MOVING THEM TO CITY HALL. RIGHT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED THE 48X48. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 4 FEET? WELL, NO, I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU SAID, IF THE RULE WAS SUPER SIMPLE, FORGET THE SQUARE FEET, YOU CAN EITHER HAVE ONE OF THOSE SIGNS OR YOU CAN HAVE THREE OF THE SMALL YARD SIGNS, PERIOD. WHO CARES ABOUT THE SPACE? YEAH, I MEAN, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW, BUT YEAH, NO. POLITICAL SIGN MAY BE LARGER THAN 36 SQUARE FEET AND MORE THAN 8 FEET HIGH, ILLUMINATED AND OR HAVING ANY MOVING ELEMENTS. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THERE TODAY, RIGHT? YEAH, 8 FEET TALL IS CRAZY, BUT...

WELL, AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T ADDRESS. WE DIDN'T ADDRESS HOW HIGH YOU CAN... SET THESE SIGNS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MOST CITIES HAVE, LIKE, A HEIGHT OF, YOU KNOW, 42 OR 48 INCHES. IS THE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, SITTING UP SIX FEET HIGH ON POLES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE PLACE IN THE CITY RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? YEAH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE PLACE. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN GET AWAY, YOU KNOW, WITH RECOMMENDING, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING BIG SIGNS SITTING THERE. I MEAN, IT'S A POLLING PLACE. IT'S NOT A CORNER. IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A CORNER THAT'S OUT THERE FOR WEEKS AND, YOU KNOW, DURING THE ELECTION SEASON AND ALL THAT, SO.

WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE OTHER CITIES ARE DRAMATICALLY LIMITING WHAT PEOPLE CAN PUT OUT THERE. I THINK OTHER CITIES ARE ONE,

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WERE YOU REFERENCING THAT? I THOUGHT, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT. WE REFERENCED THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE LIMITED IT TO ONE. WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT CITY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. LUCAS ALLOWS THREE SIGNS PER CANDIDATE AT THE POLLING PLACE. CITY OF ALLEN ALLOWS, I BELIEVE IT'S FOUR SIGNS, BUT THEY HAVE SOME OTHER RESTRICTIONS IN THAT. THERE WILL NOT BE ANY CHAIRS. THERE WILL NOT BE ANY CANOPIES.

THERE WILL NOT BE. I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS. OH, NO CANOPY.

THEY'RE IN COMPUTATION. SOME CITIES NOW REQUIRE THAT YOU, IF YOU HAVE A SIGN OUT, YOU MUST PICK IT UP WITHIN 24 HOURS. OTHER CITIES ALLOW YOU 10 DAYS. YOU KNOW, ALL WE'RE ASKING IS, WHAT IS IT THAT PARKER SHOULD DO TO BE. CAN YOU THINK OF A GOOD WORD? TO BE A...

REASONABLE. CONSISTENT, REASONABLE. CONSISTENT, THANK YOU. YEAH, I MEAN, SO, SO, I MEAN, I, I, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, I, I MEAN, PLANO, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF JOINED PLANO. AND THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER, BUT THEY DO HAVE A LIMIT OF NO. SIGN CAN BE MORE THAN FOUR SQUARE FEET. IT HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, EIGHT FEET, EIGHT FEET SET BACK AND NO MORE THAN 42 INCHES IN HEIGHT. SO, AND... CAN BE DISPLAYABLE ONE DAY BEFORE VOTING STARTS AND THREE DAYS AFTER. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING SIGNS JUST OUT IN THE CITY AND HAVING THEM AT A POLLING PLACE. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT THE CITY HERE IS CONCERNED ABOUT IS AT A POLLING PLACE. BECAUSE WE HAVE MANY COMPLAINT INDIVIDUALS ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE AND TRYING TO GET OUT.

AND THEY FELT IT WAS A CROWD, IT WAS A MESS. AND THEY JUST WANTED TO BE CONSIDERED. SO IS THE PROBLEM WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION THE 16 SQUARE FEET? SOUNDS LIKE IT.

IS THAT THE PROBLEM? THAT SEEMED TO CONFUSE. WHAT WAS OUR CURRENT MAX? CURRENT IS 36 SQUARE FEET. AND OVER THE NEXT FEW TIMES. 36? 36 INCHES OR SQUARE FEET? 36 SQUARE FEET. NO POLITICAL SCIENCE. THAT'S RIGHT, THE DAD POLLING PLACE. RIGHT, THAT'S CORRECT. THAT IS NOT... WE'VE GOT THE GENERAL SIGN ORDINANCES THAT ARE SITTING OUT HERE AT THE CORNERS AND, YOU KNOW, RIGHTS OF WAY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THEN WE'VE GOT OUR ONLY POLLING PLACE.

RIGHT. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PLANO THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, 12 POLLING PLACES OR 20 OR WHATEVER THEY HAVE. SO... AND YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, I CAN, I CAN EASILY PULL UP, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF LEANDER, AS I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NUMBER ONE, SOME OF OUR FIVE, SOME OF MAYBE YOUR. THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MADE YOU JUST. WE JUST NEED TO MODIFY IT SLIGHTLY.

TO SAY NO MORE THAN FOUR SIGNS, NOT NO SINGLE SIGN. TO EXCEED 36 INCHES. OR WHAT I'M MAKING THAT UP, WHATEVER YOU GUYS FILL IS THE RIGHT NUMBER. FOUR BY FOUR. FOUR BY FOUR. YEAH.

AND THEN IF THEY HAVE FOUR, FOUR BY FOURS, THEY HAVE FOUR, FOUR BY FOURS, BUT THEY CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN FOUR SIGNS, PERIOD. YEAH. AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO, THEN IT ALLEVIATES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, PERIOD. HERE'S SOMETHING. AND THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WORKSHOPS.

BECAUSE IF YOU START SAYING, YOU CAN HAVE 48 SQUARE. SQUARE INCHES 48 48 BY 40, OKAY, 16 SQUARE FEET, WELL, BUT BUT DOES THAT MEAN OKAY? NOW DO WE HAVE TO PUT A HEIGHT LIMIT OF 42 INCHES? WHICH MEANS YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU CAN'T HAVE A FOUR BY FOUR SQUARE FOOT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S CALLED VIEW OR SOMETHING.

UM, AND UH, AND HONESTLY, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MOWING, BECAUSE IF THEY, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, WE HAVE. THE PROBLEM IS EARLY VOTING. BUT WE COULD ALSO SAY THAT ALL SIGNS MUST BE SO MANY FEET AWAY FROM THE ROAD.

YEAH, AND PUT IT STRAIGHT BACK.

YEAH, JUST BECAUSE THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE I CAN'T SEE TRYING TO GET OUT ON PARKER ROAD. SO IF SOMEBODY HAD DECIDED TO DO ALL 48 BY 48 SIGNS AND PUT THEM ALL AT THE FRONT AND YOU CAN'T SEE.

BUT IF WE SAID THAT, IT HAS TO BE. THERE'S A 10-FOOT STEP BACK FROM THE ROAD. IT ELIMINATES PROBABLY WHAT GETS PUT IN, THAT LITTLE CIRCLE, MEDIAN THING. I WOULD LIKE

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YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

YEAH, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP THEM OUT OF THE WATERWAY, TOO. RIGHT, BUT IF WE SAY A 10 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE STREET, THEY CAN'T PUT THEM THERE.

OR, YOU COULD SAY, WHEREVER THE CITY PERSONNEL DRAW THE ORANGE LINE WITH THE PAINT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PUT THEM OUT. I'M GOING TO NOT HAVE TO PAINT ANOTHER AREA. YOU KNOW, JUST SOME MARKER PAINT, RIGHT? JUST, OKAY, HERE'S THE LINE, GUYS. WE'LL KNOW MORE RIGHT AFTER YOU DO IT. RIGHT.

THE ORDINANCE ALREADY SAYS IT HAS TO BE, THEY HAVE TO BE 10 FEET BACK OF THE ROADWAY. IF THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT, THEN WE SHOULD CHANGE THE 10 TO A NUMBER THAT IS SUFFICIENT.

AND ALSO, THE REASON WE DID THE 16...

SQUARE FEET. SQUARE FEET. WAS MAX THAT GAVE THE PEOPLE A CHOICE? DO I WANT TO HAVE A BUNCH OF LITTLE ONES OR DID I HAVE A ONE BIG ONE AND THAT ELIMINATED THEM FROM HAVING FOUR BIG ONES? WHICH EATS UP ALL YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOU, ALL, YOU, ALL YOUR SPACE FOR THE MANY, MANY, MANY CANDIDATES, AND AND ISSUES, AND ISSUES. SO I REALLY TAKE ISSUE. I'M SORRY WITH CITY COUNCIL FOR SAYING THAT WE DIDN'T.

WE'VE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT AND A LOT OF WORK IN IT, AND WE TRIED TO KEEP IT SIMPLE. HAVE WE FAILED? I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL CAN MODIFY IT IF THE CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T LIKE IT.

YES. OKAY. OKAY, LOOK, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ENOUGH, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME NEW MEMBERS HERE AND EVERYTHING THAT HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THIS LITTLE PROCESS, SO... I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE ONE MEETING WHERE WE BASICALLY DO THE WORKSHOP, WE GO THROUGH WHAT WE DID, WE SEE IF WE NEED TO TWEAK IT AT ALL, AND THEN WE SEND IT BACK TO COUNCIL. I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

I WOULD SAY THAT WE SHOULD DO IT SOONER VERSUS LATER TO HELP CITY STAFF WITH THE FORTHCOMING ELECTION.

OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA. OKAY, BUT GARY WOULD LIKE US TO DECIDE ON SOMETHING. THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU COME UP WITH.

YOU JUST WANT IT BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION AND THEN I'LL SHOW UP AGAIN. OKAY. YEAH, WE NEED TO DO THIS QUICKLY, SO WE'LL SEE HOW QUICKLY WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AND GET THIS GOING. ALL RIGHT. DO WE NEED A MOTION OR NO? NO, WE'RE JUST GOING TO LEAVE THAT FOR A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. SO

[4.SELECTION OF COMMISSIONER TO SERVE ON THE SOUTHFORK RANCH PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT (PDD) REZONING WORK GROUP.]

WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, WHAT STAFF IS ASKING FOR, IS FOR A MEMBER WHO'S WILLING AND ABLE TO SERVE ON A COMMITTEE.

FOR THE EVENTUAL NEGOTIATIONS FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR THE REMAINDER OF THAT SOUTH FORK RANCH SUBDIVISION. SORRY, NOT SUBDIVISION, BUT PROPERTY. I'M INTERESTED IN THIS, BUT WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE, HOW MUCH WORK DO YOU THINK THIS IS? I'M TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF MY PERSONAL TRAVEL SCHEDULE, BUT I'M, DEPENDING ON IF THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE WHO HAS A GREATER INTEREST IN THIS. IT REALLY DEPENDS. SO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS GOING TO BE A CREATIVE AND COLLABORATIVE PROCESS. WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, PROBABLY SOME BACK AND FORTH OVER EMAILS. TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BEST FIT THE CITY OF PARKER AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL FOR THESE TERMS. THAT WILL GO INTO THAT PDD.

NOW, ULTIMATELY, IT WILL BE UP TO CITY COUNCIL IF THEY WANT TO TWEAK OR AMEND THAT, BUT WE'RE REALLY JUST CREATING THE ROUGH DRAFT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER AND GET STARTED WITH THEIR ASPECT OF NEGOTIATIONS WITH SOUTHPORT. I'M WILLING TO DO IT, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS A BURNING DESIRE. SO I GUESS, YEAH, I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR VOLUNTEERS, AND SO IF I DON'T HAVE TO VOLUNTEER SOMEONE, WE'RE DOING GOOD, RIGHT? THAT'S GREAT. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE OF AN IMPROMPTU, SEMI-INFORMAL COMMITTEE THAT'S GOING TO BE MOSTLY COMPRISED OF STAFF. AND SO IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE SUSAN ON THERE GOING ABOUT WITH THIS. YEAH, AND I WOULD SAY I WAS ACTUALLY

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AND THE PDD IS GOING TO ALLOW US TO TAILOR SOMETHING, MAYBE SOME LIGHTER COMMERCIAL.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY HAS AN APPETITE FOR, WE CAN SPECIFICALLY NARROW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE THROUGH THE PDD. WELL, I'M OKAY WITH SUSAN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS, IF SHE'S UP TO IT. I'D BE MORE THAN WILLING. THANK YOU, SIR.

YEAH. WE DON'T NEED A MOTION.

WE JUST NEED A VOTE. THAT WORKS FOR ME. IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AND MAKE IT OFFICIAL AND HAVE IT GO INTO THE MINUTES, OKAY, WE HAVE. I WOULD. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT MISS MEDRANO SERVE ON THE PDD REZONING WORKGROUP. I'LL SECOND THAT, OKAY, ALL IN FAVOR OF VOLUNTEERING, MR. BEDRONA, THAT'S WHY THIS SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT WEIRD TO ME. OKAY, BLAME CANADA. OKAY, SORRY, THAT WAS A JOKE

[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]

IT WAS GREEN MEADOWS BEFORE, THE 35 OR 38 ACRES UP ON PARKER ROAD. AS I REMEMBER, THOSE WERE ALL TWO ACRE LOTS.

I'D HAVE TO REFRESH MYSELF.

WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? OFF OF PARKER ROAD. RIGHT ACROSS FROM LEWIS LANE. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A. THAT'S A LOT. IT'S NOT THAT WHOLE PIECE, OKAY, IT'S A PIECE OF THAT, PIECE OF THE PIECE. WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS COMING FROM CITY COUNCIL, SOME MORE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION.

LOOK, WELL, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING AT 4:47, WE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.