[CALL TO ORDER]
[WORKSHOP]
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>> WE COULD USE THE SAME STANDARD FOR SOUTH FORK IF WE WANTED TO,
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BUT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR COMPANY.[00:47:36]
I'M GOING TO BE ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION AND MOST DEFINITELY AND BE LIKE,[00:47:39]
LET'S MAKE SURE WE HAVE A NOISE METER READING.[00:47:42]
AS FAR AS HOUSE ON HOUSE,[00:47:44]
TYPICALLY, WE'RE NOT WRITING TICKETS ON THIS STUFF.[00:47:47]
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE COMMUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER.[00:47:50]
EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS A VIOLATION, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT WRITING A TICKET.THE ONLY TIME WE'D ACTUALLY DO THAT IS IF WE HAVE MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS, PERSONS BEING NON-COMPLIANT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO TAKE ACTION.
SOMETIMES THAT ACTION, OF COURSE, CAUSES MORE ISSUES.
IF I WERE TO TAKE IT BECAUSE THE NEIGHBOR CALLED IN.
THOSE NEIGHBORS ARE NOT GOING TO GET ALONG ANYMORE.
I CAN GUARANTEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER ISSUE.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WHOLE CITY GELS AND WORKS TOGETHER. IT'S DIFFICULT.
BUT YOU KNOW NOISE ORDINANCES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT GIVES US THE POWER TO TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE THINGS.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT ABOUT WRITING TICKETS, IT'S ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE TO COMPLY AND WORK TOGETHER.
>> I THINK OFFICER BERTOS ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS REALLY REINFORCED THE POINT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHARPE ORIGINALLY MADE AND ASKED.
I THINK IT IS FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, TWO DIFFERENT WAYS YOU APPROACH ENFORCEMENT OF THIS NOISE VIOLATIONS.
IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT HOW YOU HANDLED SOUTHPORT AND CROSS CREEK VERSUS HOW YOU HANDLED NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR.
MAYBE THERE COULD BE A DIFFERENT SET OF DECIBEL STANDARDS OR MAYBE EVEN NO DECIBEL STANDARDS FOR NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR.
NO NEIGHBOR IS GOING TO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT DECIBEL LEVEL THEIR NEIGHBORS IS HITTING.
[LAUGHTER] WHETHER IT'S THEIR PARTY OR THEIR BARKING DOG? [BACKGROUND] WELL, YOU HOLD THAT UP, BUT NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PHONE BASED DECIBEL METER.
IF THEY DO, IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE, PROBABLY IN TERMS OF BEING AN ACCURATE MEASUREMENT.
IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO MEASURE THE LOUDNESS OF A BARKING DOG OR A BAYING DONKEY OR SOMEBODY PLAYING MUSIC IN THEIR HOME ON A PIANO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THIS PROCESS FIRST STARTED, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED, CHIEF PRICE, IS DO YOU WANT MORE DISCRETION OR NOT? BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF MAYBE HE DIDN'T WANT DISCRETION.
IF HE WANTED SOME ABSOLUTE, SOLID, CLEAR RULES TO HAVE TO FOLLOW AND ENFORCE. HE SAID, "NO." IT WILL REALLY HELP YOU GUYS IF YOU HAVE SOME STANDARDS, BUT THAT YOU HAVE DISCRETION WHICH YOU CAN USE.
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IF THE PERSON WON'T YIELD TO THE DISCRETION AND YOU COME OUT THE THIRD TIME AND YOU SAY, I CAN'T ACTUALLY CITE YOU FOR THIS NOW, BECAUSE I'VE GOT AN ORDINANCE THAT BACKS YOU UP.I UNDERSTAND OBJECTIVE CRITERIA FOR THAT PURPOSE, BUT MOST OF THE TIME, YOU'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH PEOPLE ON A REASONABLE STANDARD BASIS AND WHAT YOU HEAR AUDIBLY.
EVEN IF YOU CITE THEM, AND YOU'VE GOT MAYBE CAMERA EVIDENCE FROM YOUR BODY CAM, THAT'S GOING TO BE USED IN COURT AND A JUDGE IS GOING TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT A REASONABLE PERSON THINKS THAT'S EXCESSIVELY LOUD.
>> I GUESS, I'M THINKING TAKING THAT STOP FOR WE DO HAVE SOME NUISANCE HOMES THAT ARE FREQUENT SIRES.
THEN HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE THAT UNDER THE SITUATION THAT DARREL HAVE SUGGESTED?
>> IF WE GET THE REASONABLE PERSON STANDARD AND WE GO OUT THERE THREE TIMES.
WE DO HAVE SOME PROBLEM HOUSES.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO STOP IT AT THE WARNING LEVEL AND TRY TO GET THEM TO COMPLY.
BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE ORDINANCE AND THEY KNOW HOW IT WORKS, A LOT OF TIMES YOU TELL THEM WHAT LIES, YOU EXPLAIN TO THEM, YOU EDUCATE THEM, AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL COMPLY.
IF THEY DON'T AFTER THAT, THEN YOU MAY HAVE TO TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION, AND THIS GIVES US ABILITY TO DO THAT.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE NOT GOING TO EDUCATE THEM OR TALK TO THEM.
WE'LL BE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS THIS.
>> FOR A THIRD TIME OUT, WE BROUGHT THE METER THIS TIME AND WE CAN GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION?
>> WE MIGHT DO THAT. BUT IN SOME CASES, YOU MAY HAVE A SITUATION WHERE IT'S EXTREMELY LOUD, AND YOU WARN THEM AND TO COME RIGHT BACK OUT AND IT'S EXTREMELY LOUD AGAIN? THOSE ARE PEOPLE WE ARE MORE PROBABLY GOING TO CITE.
>> WE HAVE JUST A FEW MINUTES LEFT.
I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE ANYBODY OPPORTUNITY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SUM UP THE PROBLEMS OR ANY THOUGHTS ON WHERE WE SHOULD GO. MRS. BAGDON.
>> THE COMMUNITY WORKED A LONG TIME AND JUGGLED A LOT OF DIFFERENT AVENUES AND ASPECTS, LOOKED AT A LOT OF CITIES, LOOKED AT A LOT OF CHOICES.
I THINK WE DID A GOOD JOB OF COMING UP IN THE MIDDLE.
THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES THAT THE NOISE GOES UP TILL 7:00 P.M AND WE DIDN'T WANT THAT AND WE DIDN'T WANT MIDNIGHT EITHER.
WE CHOSE THE 7:00-10:00 MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.
THAT'S HOW WE ENDED IT ON THAT.
THE SAME THING WITH THE DECIBEL LEVELS.
WE WROTE 75 DECIBEL IS THE HIGHEST.
WE COULDN'T RISE THE HIGHEST OF EVERYTHING THAT WE LOOKED AT.
WE WERE HAVING CALLS, LOTS OF COMPLAINTS ON IT.
WE KNEW THAT THAT 75 WAS TOO HIGH.
WE WENT DOWN AND WE DIDN'T GO CRAZY DRASTIC.
FOR SOME CITIES THEY'RE DOWN IN THE 50S AND WE DIDN'T GO LOWER, WE WENT AT 65 AND WE LOOKED AT THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.
I THINK WE DID TALK ABOUT OUR ADVERSITY AND WROTE ALOT OF ADVERSITY AND WE ENDED UP IN THE MIDDLE AS MUCH AS WE COULD.
THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH WHAT WE DID.
>> I WOULD PROBABLY STILL OPT FOR SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE.
IF WE KEEP THE DECIBELS IN THERE AS APPLICABLE TO INDIVIDUAL HOMES, AS OPPOSED TO JUST APPLICABLE TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, I'D PROBABLY SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE.
THE THING THAT MAKES THE DECIBELS LOOK MOST REASONABLE AND I'VE GIVEN A LOT OF THOUGHT TO THIS, IS WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS THAT WERE PUBLISHED FOR EVERYBODY'S BENEFIT, IT DOES SHOW IN THERE THAT MOST OF THE OTHER CITIES AROUND HERE HAVE 70 AND 60 I THINK AS THE LIMITS.
>> I SAID THAT INCORRECTLY, YEAH, 65.
IT'S NOT AN UNREASONABLE LEVEL THAT THE NOISE COMMITTEE WAS TRYING TO SET IT AT.
HOWEVER, PARKER IN GENERAL HAS LARGER RIGHTS THAN MOST OF OUR SURROUNDING CITIES.
I THINK THAT'S WORTH TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHY I WOULD SUGGEST SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE.
I DON'T BUY ALL THE HYPERBOLIC ARGUMENTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ARREST PEOPLE FOR HAVING CICADAS ON THEIR PROPERTY OR AN OCCASIONAL BAYING DONKEY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR AN OCCASIONAL DOG BARK.
THIS ISN'T THE ISSUE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY PEOPLE'S FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO FREE SPEECH.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MODERATE WHAT PEOPLE CAN SAY AND THE CONTENT OF THEIR SPEECH.
THIS IS ABOUT AN UNREASONABLE LEVEL OF NOISE THAT UNREASONABLY DISTURBS A NEIGHBOR.
EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO HAVE ACTIVITIES ON THE PROPERTY THAT GENERATE SOME AUDIBLE SOUNDS THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN HEAR.
BUT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE SOME PEACEFUL EXISTENCE TOO.
YOU HAVE TO BALANCE THOSE TWO THINGS OUT.
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I THINK WE CAN GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN ENACT AN ORDINANCE THAT'S REASONABLE.IF EVERYBODY ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE, WILL QUIT TAKING THE HYPERBOLIC RARE EXCEPTIONS AND TRYING TO USE THOSE AS THE EXAMPLE TO TRY TO SHUT DOWN ALL OF THIS.
I THINK WE CAN STILL GET THERE.
THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I SEE IN HERE, I HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHERS, BUT THERE WAS ONE IN HERE ABOUT HOW WE DEFINE A PERSON, THAT WAS RAISED.
I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE QUESTION TO ASK, IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT THIS TO APPLY TO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO MAKE A COMPLAINT.
I CAN SEE ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES.
I CAN SEE AN ARGUMENT FOR LIMITING IT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE RESIDENTS OF PARKER OR LIVE IN A HOUSE, BUT ALSO, IF YOU'RE OUT OF TOWN AND YOU'VE GOT A DOG SETTER IN YOUR HOME OVER THE WEEKEND, WOULD THAT PERSON NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO COMPLAIN AS WELL IF ALL OF THIS WAS GOING ON NEXT DOOR? IN THAT SENSE, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S SUCH A BAD THING TO DEFINE PERSON THE WAY THEY'RE DEFINED IN HERE.
EACH OF THESE THINGS WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION, AND I WELCOME THE FEEDBACK THAT WE CAN GET FROM OUR CITIZENS ON THIS.
>> FOR ME, WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT ORIGINALLY BECAUSE WE DID SEND IT BACK.
THERE'S REALLY FOUR THINGS THAT HAVE COME AND LEVELED UP.
ACTUALLY ONE OF THEM HASN'T EVEN LEVELED UP IN THIS CONVERSATION.
BECAUSE WE MOVED WITH 30 FOOT FROM THE SOURCE BACK TO THE 30 FOOT FROM THE RECEIVING PROPERTY LINE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO ADDRESS SO ALL GOOD WITH THAT, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS.
THE GOSPEL DROP THAT YOU MENTIONED, THE HOURS AND THE COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL.
I REALLY FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE THE FOCUS AREAS OF TONIGHT.
UNLESS I HEAR SOMETHING FROM THE AUDIENCE.
>> MR. BARRON, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT? MR. SHU.
>> I HAVE JUST ONE MORE WHICH IS 10582.
SUCH THING AS PLAINLY AUDIBLE BY ANY POLICE OFFICER, OR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENT LOCATED AT LEAST 30 FEET AWAY FROM THE RECEIVING PROPERTY LINE.
I BELIEVE WHAT'S INTENDED HERE IS TO WITHHOLD AN INTENT THAT THE POLICE OFFICER OR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENT WOULD BE HEARING THE NOISE AT A LEVEL THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH PERMISSIBLE SOUND BUBBLES.
BUT IT'S DIFFICULT TO DIVINE THAT FROM THE WAY THAT THIS IS WRITTEN.
TO SOMEONE WHO READS IT WOULD INTERPRET IT AS AS LONG AS THEY CAN HEAR IT.
IT'S POTENTIALLY A NOISE NUISANCE, WHICH I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE INTENTION.
>> THAT'S WHY THEY WROTE PLAINLY AUDIBLE, ITS IN THERE.
IF THE OFFICER GOES, I MIGHT BE HEARING SOMETHING, THAT IMPLIES THE OFFICER SHOULD NOT TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY PLAINLY AUDIBLE.
>> I FEEL LIKE WE COULD'VE HAVE WROTE THAT IN A WAY THAT'S SPECIFIC TO THE USE HERE.I MEAN PEOPLE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM ARE WHISPERING THE ENTIRE TIME WE'RE DOING THIS.
IT'S PLAINLY AUDIBLE BUT IT'S NOT IN VIOLATION OF A NOISE ORDINANCE.
>> WELL, THE LANGUAGE WE USED IN HERE, SUCH AS THE REASONABLE PERSON WITH ORDINARY SENSIBILITIES, THE PLAINLY AUDIBLE.
OUR STANDARD LANGUAGES IS HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF NOISE ORDINANCES USED.
IT'S NOTHING THAT WE CAME UP WITH OURSELVES.
>> MAYBE WE CAN GO BACK TO KATHERINE AND ASK KATHERINE, HOW WOULD PLAINLY AUDIBLE BE INTERPRETED FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, AND HOW WOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ENFORCE THAT?
>> HAVE YOU EVER HAVE TESTIFIED BEFORE?
>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW YOU DID THAT?
>> BASICALLY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TESTIFY TO HOW IT WAS LOUD.
YOU'RE GOING TO COME OUT AND YOU'RE GOING TO GO, IF THE NOISE WAS AT THIS LEVEL OR YOU COULD HEAR THIS, FROM THE ROADWAY IT WAS EXTREMELY LOUD.
YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THOSE FACTS.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT FACTUAL EVIDENCE THAN PROBABLY WHEN I TESTIFIED TWO YEARS AGO.
YOU'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE A BODY CAMERA, PROBABLY GOING TO PLAY THAT IN COURT IN FRONT OF A JUDGE, AND THE JUDGE IS GOING TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO CITE FOR FINE.
NOW, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLE CAUSE AT LEAST TO WRITE THE TICKET.
I HAVE TO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A REASONABLE PERSON STANDARD.
REASONABLE PERSON WOULD HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S A LOUD NOISE COMING FROM THAT RESIDENCE OR THAT COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OR WHATEVER.
I HAVE TO PROVE THAT IN COURT.
I CAN'T JUST WRITE A TICKET IF IT'S, LIKE YOU SAID, THE WHISPERING IN THE CROWD.
I CAN'T WRITE A TICKET FOR THAT.
I'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT.
I'D HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE LIKE YELLING, SCREAMING AT 12:00 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, PLAYING LOUD MUSIC.
I'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE SUBSTANTIAL.
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>> AT THIS TIME, I'M ENDING THE WORKSHOP BECAUSE IT'S 7:00 O'CLOCK.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE STILL NEED TO PROBABLY DISCUSS AND CONSIDER.
BUT ANOTHER TIME BECAUSE NOW WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL MATTER.
AT THIS TIME, I AM CALLING TO ORDER THE PARK CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING.
IT IS 7:00 P.M. AGAIN I WILL ASK MRS. HALL, DO I HAVE A QUORUM.
>> YES MADAM, I ENDURE TO SWEEP THE FLOOR.
>> OKAY. AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK OUR LADY BOGDAN IF SHE WILL LEAD US IN THE AMERICAN PLEDGE.
HOW ABOUT SUSAN, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE TEXAS PLEDGE? [BACKGROUND]
[2. PRESENTATION BY POLICE CHIEF KENNETH PRICE]
NEXT, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY OUR CHIEF OF POLICE, BUT I DON'T SEE OUR CHIEF OF POLICE.>> THAT'S OKAY. WILL YOU RAISE YOUR HAND, GOT OATH FORWARD THERE FOR YOU TO READ.
>> AS COUNSEL WAS AWARE, IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, THE CITY OF PARKER TEXAS WAS NOMINATED BY STREETWISE TO BE THE SECOND SAFEST CITY IN TEXAS.
THAT'S A PRETTY UNIQUE ACHIEVEMENT IN ANY FATION THAT YOU CAN THINK OF.
I WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT SOME AWARDS TO THE OFFICERS THAT ALONG WITH COMMUNITY, COUNCIL, CITY STAFF, HELP MAKE THIS POSSIBLE.
I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THE OFFICERS UP ONE AT A TIME AND GIVE THEM THE AWARD AND THEN I HAVE ONE AFTERWARDS FOR THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY. OKAY.
>> CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE AWARD IS?
>> SORRY. SERGENT COURTNYE DIXON.
[APPLAUSE] THE AWARD SAYS, IN RECOGNITION AND THE DEDICATION IND SERVICE IN MAKING THE CITY OF PARKER AS SAFEST SECOND CITY IN TEXAS 2024.
[APPLAUSE] [LAUGHTER] INVESTIGATOR KYLE BOLES.
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
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>> RICK DIVAS, 507 DUBLIN CREEK.
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I'M ON THE NOISE COMMITTEE.I JUST WANTED TO ADD A FEW THINGS THAT MY ASSOCIATE LAURA MIGHT NOT HAVE DISCUSSED.
THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTS.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT IN THE ACTUAL COMMITTEE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL ZONES IN PARKER, SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED FOR THAT TO BE REVISED IN A WAY IN THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE ITSELF.
THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE DETERMINE, THE READING WOULD BE IN RESIDENTIAL.
EVEN IF WE HAD COMMERCIAL ZONES AND THE VIOLATION WAS MOST LIKELY MONITORED IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, IT WOULD BE THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE THAT SUPERSEDED THE ACTUAL COMMERCIAL ZONE.
WHEN YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL ZONES, IT MIGHT BE BUSINESS TO BUSINESS, BUT WHEN YOU GO COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENCE, YOU'RE GOING TO USE RESIDENCE AS THE ACTUAL ONE.
IT WAS SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED AND THAT WAS THE CONCLUSION THAT WE CAME UP WITH.
IT WOULD BE NICE, BUT WE WERE JUST THE NOISE COMMITTEE.
WE WEREN'T THE ZONING COMMITTEE, SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.
THE OTHER MAJOR CONCERNS WERE THE DECIMAL LEVELS AND THE POLICE DISCRETION.
IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT WE TALKED TO EVERYBODY AND EVERYBODY, AGREES THAT WE TRUST OUR POLICE, THAT WE GIVE THEM THAT DISCRETION TO ENFORCE THESE IN VARIOUS SITUATIONS WHERE THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A VIOLATION.
IT'S NOT JUST A DOG BARKING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S A PERSON THAT IS IN VIOLATING NEIGHBOR ON NEIGHBOR.
THERE'S CITIZENS IN PARKER THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE HOSTILE USING NOISE AS A WEAPON.
THERE IS A PARTICULAR VARIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE YOU CAN USE A SPEAKER TO BASICALLY ANNOY OR IT CAUSED A LOT OF DAMAGE TO THAT PARTICULAR HOME OVER THERE, AND THE NOISE ORDINANCE CAN'T HANDLE IT BECAUSE YOU CAN JUST GO OVER THERE AND TURN IT DOWN EACH TIME, SO EVERY TIME THE POLICE OFFICER GOES THERE, THEY TURN IT DOWN, COME BACK, IT'S QUIET AS A MOUSE THAT IS FOR THE POLICE DISCRETION TO WORK OUT THOSE PARTICULAR ISSUES.
AS FAR AS THE LANGUAGE, LAURA WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
WE PICKED THAT LANGUAGE FROM ALL OF THE, WE LOOKED AT ALMOST EVERY SINGLE NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WAS OUT THERE AND WE PICKED THE VERY BEST ONES, AND WE CAME TO THOSE BEST AND CHOSE BITS OF THAT TO MAKE IT BECAUSE THEY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY TO DO THAT.
AS FAR AS THE DECIBEL LEVELS, WE WENT PRETTY MUCH IN THE MIDDLE.
THERE'S CITIES THAT ARE DOWN TO DURING THE DAYTIME 60 AND NIGHTTIME 50, AND WE PRETTY MUCH WENT TO THE MIDDLE.
AS YOU SEE IT TODAY, IT'S PRETTY MUCH IN THE MIDDLE OF MOST OF THE CITIES THAT ARE AROUND US.
JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, MURPHY IS 60 DECIBELS IN THE DAY, AND NIGHTTIME IS 50.
LUCAS IS, I HAVE LUCAS IS UP HERE.
>> YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. [INAUDIBLE] ASK A QUESTION?
>> PLEASE GO AHEAD, MR. DIVAS.
>> I'M SORRY. I WAS LISTENING TO [INAUDIBLE]. MR. CORDINA.
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>> JOE CORDINA 4302 BOLER DRIVE AND MAYOR FOR THE CITY OF PARKER.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH.
I CAN APPRECIATE EVERY MINUTE OF IT.
ONE THING I WANT TO TALK BACK TO WITH YOU TONIGHT IS JUST SOMETHING ABOUT THE LAST TIME I STOOD BEFORE YOU AND THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE COMMUNITY IS WHAT IT'S REALLY ALL ABOUT.
YOU'RE PUTTING AN ORDINANCE, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY AND THE IMPACT THAT GOING TO TAKE ON THE COMMUNITY.
PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT DESIRES AND DREAMS AND THINGS THEY WANT TO DO, THEY WANT TO USE THEIR PROPERTY IN CERTAIN WAYS.
BUT SOMETIMES CERTAIN WAYS ARE OFFENSIVE, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND ORDINANCES IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T BECOME A IRRITANT TO THE SURROUNDING PEOPLE.
IF YOU RESPECT YOUR NEIGHBOR, AND YOU THINK ABOUT IT, AND YOU RUN LOUD SPEAKER PRETTY HIGH AND HEAVY, A BIG PARTY OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT.
BUT LIKE ONE PERSON SAID, INVITE YOUR NEIGHBOR TO THE PARTY.
BUT NOT NECESSARILY, BUT IT CERTAINLY HELPS.
YOU'VE GOT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE HABITS ARE OF YOUR NEIGHBOR.
YOU'VE GOT TO FIND OUT WHY IT IS THAT THEY HAVE A CERTAIN LEVELS OF CELEBRATION.
LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR. LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THE ONE OF THE BEST PLACES ON EARTH TO LIVE EVERY TIME I WALK OUT, I DRINK MY COFFEE EARLY IN THE MORNING IN B AND I WATCH UP ACROSS THE POND AND I JUST SAY, EVERY MORNING, THIS IS SUCH A DELIGHT.
IF IT'S RAINING, IT'S A DELIGHT TO BE HERE AT PARKER.
SO I ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
THERE MAY BE A LOT OF NOISE, IT GOES ON AT DIFFERENT TIMES, WHEN CONSTRUCTIONS IS TAKING PLACE OR THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT ONE THING YOU CAN DO IS KNOWING YOUR NEIGHBOR, YOU CAN MAKE IT EVEN MORE ENJOYABLE FOR BOTH OF YOU BY SHARING IN THE CELEBRATION WHEN THEY FINISH THAT PROJECT.
THE WORD I'D LIKE TO USE WITH IS THE WORD ALIVE.
COMMUNITIES ARE NOT ALIVE, AND THEY DON'T FUNCTION RIGHT IF YOU RESTRICT THEM TOO MUCH.
IF YOU PUT AN ORDINANCE INTO PLACE THAT CREATES ABRASION, KILL THE LIVE SPIRIT COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE A GOOD STRONG SPIRIT ARE THE ONES THAT BECOME NUMBER ONE BEST POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE STATE I HAVE HIGH RESPECT FOR THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO LEAVE YOU WITH THAT THOUGHT.
CELEBRATE. CELEBRATE TODAY, CELEBRATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE GOOD RESULTS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CORDINA. ALLEN.
>> ALLEN MYER, 7278 MOSS RIDGE ROAD.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR PROTEM, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY WIFE AND I MOVED TO THE CITY OF PARKER OVER 20 YEARS AGO FROM PLANO, PRIMARILY TO GET AWAY FROM THE OPPRESSIVE AND OVERREACHING ARMS OF THE BIG CITIES AND TO ENJOY A MORE COUNTED LIFESTYLE.
AT THE TIME WE MOVED HERE TO PARKER, PARKER WAS STILL REQUIRING TWO ACRE MINIMUM LOTS, AND WE WANTED MORE ACREAGE AND THE FREEDOM OF COUNTRY LIFE.
THAT INCLUDES BOTH THE COUNTRY LIFE SERENENESS, AS WELL AS THE NORMAL COUNTRY LIFE NOISES, FARM ANIMALS, FARM NORM EQUIPMENT, OUTSIDE PETS, WILDLIFE.
WE LIVE IN WEST RIDGE STATE, WHERE THERE IS NO HRA THAT REGULATES THE RESIDENTS ABILITY TO ENJOY THEIR COUNTRY LIFE.
WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IN THE NOISE ORDINANCE IS ESSENTIALLY AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE HRA RULES AND REGULATIONS CITYWIDE.
I KNOW I SPEAK FOR MANY PARKER RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY THE LONG TERM RESIDENTS THAT HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 20 PLUS YEARS WHEN I SAY THAT WE WANT TO KEEP PARKER COUNTRY AND NOT TURN IT INTO A BIG CITY WITH OPPRESSIVE AND OVERREACHING ORDINANCE, SUCH AS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED WITH THIS NEW NOISE ORDINANCE.
A ISSUE AS CONTROVERSIAL AS THIS SHOULD NOT BE SOLELY LEFT TO THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE AND APPROVED.
IT REALLY SHOULD BE A PROPOSITION PLACED ON A BALLOT FOR THE RESIDENTS TO INVESTIGATE
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AND EXPRESS THEIR SUPPORT OR LACK OF IN THE FORM OF A FORMAL VOTE ON THE ISSUE.I WOULD ASK THAT THE COUNCIL A REMNANTS AS IS AND ALLOW NEIGHBORS TO FIRST WORK OUT THEIR DIFFERENCES, CONFLICTS, BEFORE ALLOWING A DISGRUNTLED NEIGHBOR TO FILE A COMPLAINT WITHOUT SPEAKING TO THEIR NEIGHBOR FIRST ABOUT THE ISSUE.
FINALLY, ALL OF YOU AS ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD BE REPRESENTING THE DESIRES AND WISHES OF THE MAJORITY OF PARKER RESIDENTS AND NOT SIMPLY THE VIEWS OF A FEW.
PLEASE KNOW THAT THE MAJORITY OF PARKER RESIDENTS WHO THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO THAT MOSTLY OPPOSE THE NEW NOISE ORDINANCE.
WE'LL BE KEENLY PAYING ATTENTION TO HOW THE COUNCIL VOTES ON THIS ISSUE.
WE'LL BE MONITORING HOW YOU VOTE ON THIS ISSUE AS WELL AS OR ISSUES.
WE WILL ENSURE THAT THOSE OF YOU THAT AREN'T REPRESENTING THE VIEWS AND DESIRES OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS, THE RESIDENTS, WILL BE CHALLENGED IN YOUR RE ELECTION BIDS BY THOSE THAT DO REPRESENT THE VIEWS AND DESIRES OF THE MAJORITY.
>> THANK YOU, MR. ALLEN. MELISSA TIERS.
>> GOOD EVENING. I'M MELISSA TIERS, 4203 SYCAMORE LANE.
I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS, AND I AM ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT'S REPRESENTING THOSE OF US THAT HAVE LARGER ACREAGES OVER FIVE ACRES ACTUALLY, I JUST WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION.
WHEN THE POLICE REPORTED EARLIER, THEY STATED THAT THERE WAS ABOUT ONE CALL PER MONTH ON AVERAGE THAT THEY GO OUT TO CURRENTLY FOR THE NOISE ORDINANCE ISSUES THEN COUNSEL STATED THAT MORE COME IN AND E MAILS OR CALLS OR WHATEVER.
ARE THOSE TRACKS? IS THERE DOCUMENTATION SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY ADD THAT TO.
>> THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR US.
>> SO I GUESS MY STATEMENT THEN WOULD BE, I WOULD HOPE THAT THOSE ARE BEING TRACKED AND THAT THOSE CAN BE MADE PUBLIC IF THEY'RE NOT TRACKED, I'M HOPING THAT THEY WOULD BE TRACKED BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR WORK FOR THE CITIZENS OF PARKER AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL INVITE US OVER FOR THOSE PARTIES. THANK YOU.
>> I'M CHUCK RYANS, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
I'M FROM 4301 SPRING HILL ESTATES.
I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE TIMES ON WEEKENDS WOULD BE DIFFERENT AND THAT IT MIGHT BE COMPLEX.
BUT WE WANT TO PUT OUR TRASH OUT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THE POLICE OR ANYONE IN THIS ROOM DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY A FACTOR.
A POINT OF KNOWLEDGE, I GUESS, IS THAT DECIBEL SOUNDS DOUBLE WITH EVERY THREE DB.
TEN DB IS 10 TIMES AS LOUD OR 10 TIMES AS SOFT, HENCE THE ETYMOLOGY OF THE WORD DECIBELS.
I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE TESTED ANY OF THE VALUES BEING PROPOSED.
AS AMANDA HAD SAID, WE ALREADY HAVE AN ORDINANCE AND ONE OF THE VALUES IN 75, WE'RE PLANNING TO GO TO 65, THAT'S TEN TIMES SOFTER OR TEN TIMES AS LOUD EVERYONE TO LOOK AT IT.
I'M NOT SURE WE'VE REALLY THOUGHT THROUGH WHERE THOSE NUMBERS CAME FROM.
WHEN I WAS A KID AND MANY OF YOU YOUR KIDS, YOUR MOTHER WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU IF ALL THE OTHER KIDS JUMPED OFF THE CLIFF WOULD YOU DO IT? THESE CITIES HAVE NUMBERS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE VALIDATION COMES FROM.
IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO KNOW IF ANYONE HAS TESTED ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS IN THEIR HOMES I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE THAT.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT BEFORE WE MODIFY THE VALUES WE HAVE, WE OUGHT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY CAME FROM WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE NOT REASONABLE AND LET THEM STAND AS SAID BEFORE, IF THESE THINGS ARE AMENDABLE IN THE FUTURE, WELL THEN WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE NUMBERS WE HAVE? LET'S AMEND THE NUMBERS WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE NUMBERS WE HAVE. THANK YOU.
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I'M CURRENTLY AT 43 OR FOUR SPRING HEAD ESTATES, BUT I GREW UP ON SYCAMORE LANE, ONE OF THE OLDEST HOUSES HERE IN PARKER.BEEN HERE OVER 50 PLUS YEARS RAISING THIRD GENERATION PARKER RIGHTS.
IF MY DAD WAS IN THE PNZ THAT BURBS BUILDING, WE USED TO HAVE A FRIEND PARTICULAR P FOR P PARKER.
A, BUT IT WAS A SAYING THAT WE WANTED TO BE DIFFERENT PARTICULAR.
WE'RE NOT WANTING TO BE A CITY.
WE WANTED TO BE A SMALL COMMUNITY THAT WE COULD RAISE OUR KIDS IN AND ENJOY THE FREEDOMS THAT WE HAVE.
I'M BOTHERED THE REMNANTS I UNDERSTAND A NEED FOR THAT PARTICULAR THING POSSIBLY, BUT I'M JUST SEEING A CONCERN OF CONTINUAL THINGS THAT ARE STARTING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS COUNCIL.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ADMONISH YOU GUYS. BE CAREFUL.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE MURPHY, WE DON'T WANT TO BE SEXY.
BUT EVERYTHING IN THIS SAYS EVER CITIES LEVELS.
CITIES [INAUDIBLE], WE CARE ABOUT THOSE CITIES DO.
WITH PARKER, AND WE WANT TO BE UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT AND WE MOVED OUT TO PARKER SO WE DON'T HAVE LOTS OF RESTRICTIONS.
MY BAD PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL, HE WAS PNZ FOR MANY YEARS LIKE I SAID, HE COUNCIL.
BE CAREFUL BECAUSE YOU'RE TWO OR THREE GENERATIONS ARE READY FROM SELLING A FARM TO THESE HOUSING ADDITIONS, AND YOU BETTER STAY TWO PLUS ACRES OR BIGGER OR YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE COMPLAINTS WITH SOUND.
YOU GOT NEIGHBORS SITTING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE GOT NOW.
THE MORE WAY YOU HAVE THAT, THE BIGGER THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE.
I JUST AS WISH YOU TO CONTINUE TO STAY THAT WAY, CONTINUE TO KEEP PARKER COUNTRY.
I I SEE ANY WAYS, I'M LIKE EVERS DO WE HAVE TO DO TO GET PEOPLE WHO CAN REPRESENT US.
WE DID ELECT YOU GUYS TO COME IN HERE AND CREATE AN IDEA OF MAKING THIS INTO ANOTHER CITY JUST LIKE MURPHY OR SOMETHING ELSE.
WE'RE PARKER, WITH WE'RE PARKER. THANK YOU.
I DON'T HAVE A CORD. COME ON NOW.
[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]
[CONSENT AGENDA]
[7. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION 2025-863, MAKING APPOINTMENTS TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.]
[8. CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION AND ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON FUNDING OPTIONS FOR DUBLIN ROAD.]
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* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.