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>> [BACKGROUND] PLEASE ALL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ALLEGIANCE] PLEDGE] NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS TODAY? OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDERATION AND
[1. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR AUGUST 7, 2025.]
APPROPRIATE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR AUGUST 7, 2025.I'LL GIVE YOU A FEW MINUTES TO [INAUDIBLE] THOSE.
>> EVERYTHING'S THE SAME [INAUDIBLE].
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
>> ALL RIGHT, VOTE. [INAUDIBLE]. SEE HERE.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA DISCUSS AND CONSIDER
[2. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL’S REFERRAL OF THE SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT ORDINANCE TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING (P&Z) COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR UPDATE/REVISION. [2025 0401 CC Review Referral, 2025 0724 P&Z 1stReview, and 2025 0807 P&Z 2nd Review]]
CITY COUNCIL REFERRAL FOR THE SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT ORDINANCE TO THE PLANNING ZONE.COMMISSIONER FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR UPDATE AND REVISION.
CITY COUNCIL REVIEWED REFERRAL WAS MADE ON APRIL 1, 2025, AND [INAUDIBLE] THE PZ ON JULY 24, 2025.
WE ALSO HAD A MEETING ON AUGUST 7, 2025 [INAUDIBLE].
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY [INAUDIBLE] ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO?
>> I THINK WE WERE GOING TO CONSULT THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THIS?
>> WERE YOU ABLE TO DEAL WITH HER?
>> [INAUDIBLE] THAT CHAPTER 153, SIGN CONTROL, PURPOSE 153 [INAUDIBLE].
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I DID SEE CHANGES THAT WE NEEDED TO MAKE TO THAT SECTION.>> WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
>> I'M SORRY. [LAUGHTER] OKAY.
>> I GUESS I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING IF WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM THE ATTORNEY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED.
>> OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE FINE.
WE'LL JUST WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
WE WRAPPED UP ON THE SAME ORDINANCE.
[3. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL’S REFERRAL OF CHAPTER 153 REGARDING SIGNS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION. [2025 0617 CC Review Referral , 2025 0724 P&Z 1st Review, and 2025 0807 P&Z 2nd Review]]
WAS DISCUSSED AND CONSIDERING THE CITY COUNCIL REFERRAL OF CHAPTER 153, [INAUDIBLE] TO THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION.THE REFERRAL WAS MADE ON JUNE 17, 2025.
[INAUDIBLE] PZ, JULY 24, 2025, FOR THE FIRST REVIEW.
THE SECOND REVIEW, AUGUST 7, 2025.
SO Y'ALL HAVE HAD TIME TO GO OVER THAT ORDINANCE? I KNOW MY OWN BACK FOR THE COPIES.
>> I AM NOT AT THE MOMENT. WE JUST HAD 800 NEW LAWS EFFECT.
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YES.>> SO THIS IS A [INAUDIBLE] START A CONVERSATION.
>> THIS READS SECTION ONE PURPOSE.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE IS TO REGULATE LIGHTED SIGNS IN ORDER TO PROTECT PUBLIC SAFETY BY REDUCING HAZARDS AND, AND TWO PRESERVE THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER IN SMALL TOWN ATMOSPHERE OF P, AND THREE ALLOW REASONABLE SIGNS FOR BUSINESSES CHURCHES AND COMMUNITY FACILITIES.
AND PROVIDE CLEAR ENFORCEABLE STANDARDS FOR INNOCENT TAN.
IT GOES TO SECTION TWO, WHICH ARE GENERAL PROVISIONS THAT APPLY TO ALL ZONING DISTRICTS.
IS NO SIGN MAY OBSTRUCT SIGHTLINES ORDER A TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE.
A MUST BE STEADIED, SHIELDED, AND DIRECTED DOWNWARD, OR THE SIGN PHASE ON THE THREE FLASHING, ANIMATED, SCROLLING, LIGHTS ARE PROHIBITED, EXCEPTION IS TEMPERATURE SIGNS THAT CHANGES 15 SECONDS.
NUMBER FOUR SIGNS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES MUST BE DAMNED OR TURNED OFF 10-16, THE FINE TYPE SIGNS MUST NOT EXCEED 0.3 FOOT CANDLES ABOVE LIGHT OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
AUTOMATIC REQUIRED, NUMBER SIX, ALL MIND SIGNS MUST MEET BUILDING SLASH ELECTRICAL CODES, SEPARATE PERMITS BE REQUIRED.
IN SECTION THREE, IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, ONE IS ELIMINATED SIGNS PROHIBITED EXCEPT ADDRESS, MAS, SUPER SIGNS, LESS THAN 2 SQUARE FEET.
CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, PRIMITIVE FACILITIES MAY HAVE ONE MINIMUM SIGN PER FRONTAGE, MAXIMUM 20 SQUARE FEET PER PHASE, SIX FEET HEIGHT, EXTERNAL ELIMINATION ONLY AND SHIELD.
SMALL ELECTRONIC MESSAGE CENTERS ALLOWED ONLY FOR SERVICE, SLASH ANNOUNCEMENTS, STATIC AGES ONLY.
NUMBER TWO, MACRO PATIENTS, ONE NO SIGN LESS THAN 2 SQUARE FEET.
MEMBERS TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, FREE STANDING SIGNS, MU STYLE MAXIMUM 50 SQUARE FEET PER PHRASE, EIGHT FEET TILE, BUILD SIGNS PERENT.
NUMBER TWO, ATTACHED TO WELL SCIENCE, MAXIMUM 25% OF PRIMARY FACADE, 15% OF SECONDARY FACADE.
BAD, PLEASE NUMBER THREE, ELECTRONIC MESS CENTER EMCS, STAT IMAGES ONLY, MI SETTING DISPLAY, INSTANT TRANSITIONS, NO SCROLLING SLASH EINATION.
RIGHTNESS INVESTMENT REQUIRED OF D TEN TO 16 IF WRITTEN TO THE F OFFS.
NEXT NEWS HISTORIC AREAS, IF APPLICABLE, ONE SIGNS MUST BE COMPETITIVE WITH NEIGHBORHOOD CORRECTIVE, WHEN THE TWO INTERNALLY EMITED BOX SIGNS ARE PROHIBITED, AND THE THREE PREFERRED TYPES, EXTERNALLY SIGNS, HOW LIT LADDERS, ROUTED WOOD METAL DESIGNS.
MER IS A LAST SECTION SIX, ADMINISTRATION ENFORCEMENT, NUMBER ONE PERMIT REQUIRED FOR ALL MODIFIED MINTED SIGNS.
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NUMBER TWO, SIGNS MUST BE MAINTAINED AND REPAIR, ABANDONED.NUMBER THREE NON CONFORMING SIGNS, BUT REMAIN, BUT REPLACEMENT MODIFICATION REQUIRES COMPLIANCE, NUMBER FOUR VIOLATIONS, SUBJECT TO CITATION AND DAILY FC CORRECTED.
>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THAT.
ON SECTION 3, 02, HOME ACTIVATION SIGN.
I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO DO THAT.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S ALLOWED RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW IT.
>> ALSO, I THINK THE SIZE OF THE CHURCH SIGN, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE, [INAUDIBLE] , OH, SECTION 3, 20 SQUARE FEET PER FACE.
DOES THAT MEAN THE SIZE OF THE SIGN, 20 SQUARE FEET?
>> WHEN YOU SAY EXTERNAL ILLUMINATION, DOESN'T THAT ILLUMINATE THE ELECTRONIC TYPE THAT YOU WERE THINKING OF? BECAUSE THE SMALL ELECTRONIC MESSAGE CENTER IS NOT WHAT SHE'S CONTEMPLATING EITHER.
>> THAT SOUNDS MORE LIKE A RIBBON ACROSS THE BOTTOM WITH A STATIC SIGN [INAUDIBLE].
>> THIS WOULD NOT ADDRESS THE SITUATION.
ALSO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, AT THE POLLING PLACE, THE SIGNAGE, SO WE NEED TO ALSO ADDRESS THAT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE] SIX FOOT OR LESS, SO I DON'T KNOW [INAUDIBLE].
>> I'M OF THE THOUGHT THAT WE DON'T NEED TO ALTER SIZE AND OTHER CHARACTERISTICS OF OTHER TYPES OF SIGNS EXCEPT TO ADDRESS THE ELECTRONIC SIGN AND MAYBE THE POLLING PLACE SIGNAGE.
UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE SEE THAT WE SHOULD TAKE CARE OF, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO REVAMP EVERYTHING.
>> THERE'S ALSO THE CITY SIGN.
>> YES, CITY SIGNS, [INAUDIBLE]
>> MODIFYING THE EXISTING OR CREATING NEW ONES.
>> DO WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF HOW OR WHAT THE CHURCH RECOMMENDS OR WANTS VARIES FROM THE ORDINANCE.
WHAT'S OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH IT?
>> THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING FOR ME WHEN I WAS-.
>> IT'S NOT JUST THAT IT'S LIGHTED BECAUSE WE DO HAVE EXTERNAL ILLUMINATION ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF, BUT YOU WANT THE SIGN ITSELF, IT'S EMITTING LIGHT.
THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN HAVING IT SPOT LIGHT SHINING ON THE SIGN.
>> RIGHT NOW AS IT EXISTS, IT HAD TWO LINES
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IN, [INAUDIBLE] ON THAT, WE'RE ASKING TO SWITCH TO THE OTHER VIEW.>> WOULD IT BE BETTER TO HANDLE THAT AS AN EXEMPT? [INAUDIBLE].
>> I GUESS I DON'T KNOW HOW TO INTERPRET THE BRIGHTNESS.
I LOOKED AT THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND WHAT THEY DO, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM APPROVING OR NOT APPROVING, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M STUCK.
>> IT'S COMPLICATED THAT GETS OUT HERE AT NIGHT, STANDING AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND TRYING TO FIND WHERE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE, AND IT'S NOT A [INAUDIBLE].
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING [INAUDIBLE]
>> WHEN YOU BUY THE SIGN, DOESN'T IT TELL YOU THAT IT'S GOING TO SHINE THIS BRIGHTLY OR NOT?
>> I'M SORRY, I THINK SOMEBODY CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION ON AN EXPERT BASIS.
WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD [NOISE] IS THAT WE CAN ADJUST THE BRIGHTNESS OURSELVES.
[INAUDIBLE] THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED.
I BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT I WAS TOLD.
I WAS OFTEN TOLD AUTOMATIC PROGRAM TO TURN OFF AT A SPECIFIC TIME AND THEN TURN BACK ON AT A SPECIFIC TIME.
>> IN THE PDF ITS SAYING THAT YOU'RE PROVIDED THE STORAGE SIGNS.
IT SAYS ULTRA BRIGHT REPLACEABLE LED BOARDS RATED AT 100,000 HOURS OF FULL BRIGHTNESS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS THAT IT'S RIGHT OR IT'S NOT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] CAN BE EXTREMELY [INAUDIBLE].
>> THAT'S THE MAXIMUM BRIGHTNESS.
>> SOMETIMES GOING TO HAVE TO SAY WHAT THE MAXIMUM BRIGHTNESS IS FOR THEM TO BE ALLOWED TO USE.
>> YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT WOULD BE, HOW TO COME UP WITH [INAUDIBLE]
>> I JUST [INAUDIBLE] I JUST THOUGHT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M-
>> [INAUDIBLE] IT'S JUST VERY MANY [LAUGHTER]
>> I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO IT AS REQUEST, [INAUDIBLE]
>> [INAUDIBLE] I DON'T THINK THE CHANGES THERE YOU THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS, BUT FOR PURPOSE IN THE APPLICATION JURISDICTION, I ASKED YOU THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE CHANGES IN THE LAW, AND YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVEN'T FOUND ANYTHING.
THE DEFINITIONS WE FIND GOING THROUGH THE DOCUMENT IS THAT THERE'S OTHER SECTIONS THAT HAVE DEFINITIONS IN,
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AND I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE MOVE THOSE DEFINITIONS TO THE DEFINITIONS SECTION INSTEAD OF SCATTERING THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT.WE'LL SEE THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS.
THE TEMPORARY SIGN, THIS PLAY THE ELECTION CODE IS DEFINED BY THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE THAT ADVOCATES FOR OR AS A CANDIDATE POLITICAL PARTY A BALLOT MEASURE FOR A LOCAL STATE AND FEDERAL ELECTION.
SUCH SIGNS ARE SUBJECT TO TIME PLACE AND REGULATIONS AND MUST COMPLY WITH THE RESTRICTIONS OUTLINED IN THE SECTION INCLUDING PLACEMENT AROUND 100 FEET OF THE POLLING PLACE INCREASE.
HOW MANY SIGNS CAN THEY HAVE, [INAUDIBLE] PROHIBIT DEFINITION IS THE WHICH TEXAS ELECTION CODE 85.36 A AS A PROHIBIT ELECTION DURING THE TIME IN EARLY VOTING PLACE IS OPEN FOR THE CONDUCTION OF THE [INAUDIBLE] OF EARLY VOTING.
[NOISE] THE VOTING PERIOD [INAUDIBLE] ALLOW THE POLLS ARE OPEN FOR VOTING IN THAT THE POLLS CLOSED OR THE LAST VOTE HAS VOTED WHICHEVER IS ON ELECTION DAY AND EARLY VOTING DAYS, THE PERIOD FOR RUN-UP ELECTION SHALL BE CONSIDERED TO BE A SEPARATE VOTING PERIOD.
THOSE OTHER SECTIONS WITH DEFINITION. [NOISE]
>> WHAT ARE YOU [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE].
>> COULD YOU READ THAT AGAIN, IS THAT SOMETHING NEW?
>> I THINK IT'S UNDER VOTING PERIOD, LET ADD LETTER C,
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AND THEN HE WAS GOING TO ADD LETTER G UNDER NUMERAL 1.>> DOES THE ELECTION CODE SAY THAT? IT SAYS THREE. IT LIMITS TO THREE?
>> NO. I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE LOCATION WITHIN THE.
>> YEAH. NO CLOSER THAN 100 FEET.
I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT VISIBILITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR JUST VISIBILITY IS ALREADY COVERED IN IT? YEAH. AND DO WE WANT TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF TIMES? I'D LIKE TO, BUT YEAH, WE SUGGESTION THREE, RIGHT? IS THAT THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE THREE? NO.
THERE ARE SOME MUNICIPALITIES THAT LIMITED TO ONE. YEAH. WE HAVE.
BUT ONE OF THE TEST CASES IS ACTUALLY PARKER, COLORADO.
OUR SISTER SISTER WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT CASE.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE DETAILS, BUT THEY JUST THERE'S A LOT OF THEY DID SOME STUFF.
BUT NOT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS DRAFTED. OKAY.
SO ARE WE SEEING LIMIT THREE SIGNS PER CANDIDATE? YES. AT THE POLLING PLACE.
RIGHT. W COMPARED TO 100 RIGHT NOW? DID YOU COME THIS LAST TIME? YOU SAW THE SIGNS THAT WERE OUT THERE? MEANINGLESS, RIGHT? THE SIGNS FROM THE SAME CANDIDATE.
AND IT WAS LIKE THEY WERE TO BE UP SHIP ON THE NEXT GUY.
YOU KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED? THERE ARE THREE SIZE RESTRICTIONS? THERE'S SIZE LIMIT ALSO YEAH.
AND ALSO THERE'S ALSO MULTI SIDED SIGN LIMITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHEN THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO AND HOW YOU CAN'T HAVE LIKE THREE SIDED TRIANGULAR SIGNS PAST A CERTAIN IT THERE OTHER AREAS THAT DO THIS? I ARE WE TRYING A FROZEN PATH HERE IN COLLIN COUNTY BY RESTRICTING? IN SIGN RESTRICTIONS? YEAH. I'M PRETTY SURE THERE ARE.
I I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE ARE PLENTY OF THEM THAT.
I KNOW I KNOW CITY DOWN HAS THE SAME PROBLEM.
YOU GO UP THERE CITY HALL VOTING, SAME THING HAPPENS UP THERE.
SAME THING WE HAVE MULTIPLE SIGNS UP THERE.
I GUESS THEY HAVEN'T RESTRICTED THE SIZE BECAUSE SOME OF THE SIGNS ARE THE BIG SIGNS.
WE'VE GOT LITTLE SIGNS TOO, BUT IT JUST MAKES IT SIGHTLY.
RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SIZE IS NO LARGER THAN 36 SQUARE FEET AND OR MORE THAN EIGHT FEET HIGH.
THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGER SIGNS.
M SIGNS FOR POLITICAL POLITICAL SIGNS.
A BITTER SIDE WE USUALLY USE THOSE S T POST
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SOUNDS THE WHITE SIDE HERE THE GROUND ABOUT THREE FEET UP FIVE.AND ON SIGNS, DO YOU RECOLLECT WHAT SIZE THE ENTRANCES TO THE DEVELOPMENT SIE? I DO NOT.
AND AS YOU RECALL, SOME OF THOSE ARE DONE AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
RIGHT. WITH EXCEPTION GIVEN DEVELOPMENT.
YEAH. SO SOME OF THOSE NECESSARILY FOLDER.
OKAY. SO WE WERE PUT T OVER THAT? NO.
WE CAN ALWAYS FORM THE SIGN COMMITTEE THOUGH, RIGHT? I'M SURE BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY IN THERE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THE SIGN THE SIGN COMMITTEE CAN BE FORMED.
I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO TAKE THAT.
WE REFERRED THE SECOND TO THE NEXT VEHICLE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION FROM SOUTH.
WE HAVE TIME THAT YOU JUST WENT THROUGH.
MOST OF IT WAS MOVING DEFINITIONS TO THE TOP, WHICH I SUPPORT.
HOW MANY ACTUAL CHANGES BESIDES THAT LETTER G THERE? ARE WE GETTING READY TO VOTE ON THIS OR OKAY.
SOME GIVES US A COPY OF I I WASN'T PREPARED.
I'M SORRY. I I GOT CAUGHT IN AN APPOINTMENT IN MCCAIN.
I JUST WASN'T SURE WHERE I WANTED TO TRACK PROPERLY IN MY HEAD.
NO. THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS, I REMEMBER SAYING THAT I THOUGHT WE WEREN'T GOING TO GO INTO THAT FOR THE FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUE AND ALSO WHO'S GOING TO WHOSE JOB IS IT GOING TO BE TO GROUND COUNT AND PULL AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE.
I'M NOT REALLY REALLY SURE WHERE WE DO ABOUT TOO MANY OF ONE PERSON'S SIGN.
SOMEBODY JUST INFORMS THEM THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO OBVIOUSLY THE RULES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE COMMUNICATED, RIGHT.
SO I MEAN, IT'S COMMUNICATION WHEN THEY GET THEIR APPLICATION TO INCLUDE THE DOCUMENTS THEY NEED PHONE CALL.
AND THEY'LL GET A RED SHEET THAT SAYS DANGER ROBINSON, RIGHT? WELL, WOULD THAT WOULDN'T COVER ANYBODY BUT OUR OWN CITY, COUNSEL? THAT'S ALL THE PEOPLE IN HERE.
ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING FOR VARIOUS THINGS.
YES. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET IN THE PROJECT IN PERSON BYE.
DO THEY PASS TO THE ECTION? NO.
WAS THE SOMETHING AND WORK WITH.
YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE WE BE ENOUGH TIME TO DO THESE ORDINANCES.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE GET IT DONE TODAY.
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WHAT MORE EXAMPLES IN SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES THAT I'VE JUST LOOK THROUGH? MURPHY HAS A LIMITED FIVE.I THINK THAT'S THEY HAVE A BIGGER PLACE, RIGHT? WELL, IT DOES IT DOESN'T JUST SAY AT CITY HALL, IT JUST SAYS P.
BUT WE'RE CONTROLLING THE POLLING PLACE SIGNS.
I DON'T RECALL OR THEY HAVE THE BIG SIGNS OUT HERE OR NOT.
SO THOSE ARE GOING TO BE LIMITED. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE LIMITED.
WHO IS ACTUALLY AFFECT SIGHT LINE OF SIGHT? I WOULD IMAGINE RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF AT THE TRAFFIC RIGHT.
YEAH. AND IN THE SIGN ORDINANCES JUST IN GENERAL, THERE'S ABOUT THERE'S STUFF ABOUT LINE OF SIGHT OR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT BLOCKS TRAFFIC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH. I MEAN, WE'LL JUST PLEASE PLEASE DON'T PLEASE DON'T BLOCK TRAFFIC, THE LINE OF SIGHT OF TRAFFIC WITH YOUR SIGNS.
SO CAN YOU NOW THAT WE HAVE THE HANDOUT OF THE CHANGES YOU'RE PROPOSING? CAN YOU JUST POINT OUT THE ONES THAT ARE NOT JUST MOVING THE DEFINITION, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY THE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE? OKAY.
SO THIS WASN'T INTENDED TO BE A FINISHED DOCUMENT. RIGHT. YES.
NO CHANGES THE PROHIBITIVE, I GUESS, DEFINITIONS.
SO YOU REFERRED TO THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE? RIGHT.
PROHIBIT SELECTION THE TIME WHEN EARLY VOTING, THE VOTING PLACES OPEN FOR THE TIME DEATH OF THE EARLY VOTING.
ROADS COME UP HERE AND HAVE THEIR SPEEL THOSE TIMES.
THE THE VOTING PERIOD WAS PERIOD EACH DAY THE HOUR THE POLLS ARE OPEN FOR VOTING POLLS CLOSED OR THE LAST VOTER IS VOTED V EARLY VOTING.
P FOR OFF ELECTION SHALL BE CONSIDERED TO BE A SEPARATE VOTING PERIOD.
WE JUST IDENTIFYING VOTING PERIOD WOULD BE AND THAT'S OF THE DEFINITIONS ALSO.
SE MOVIES. I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY THE DEFINITION WAS BUT IT WAS SLY.
JUST MOVING THE MOVING THE DEFINITION.
OF COURSE, FROM THAT ONE SECTION, REM DEFINITIONS FROM ELECTION PI BECAUSE WE DEFINITIONS FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS SECTION, FINING DEFINITION APPLY UNLESS THE CONCEPT INDICATES REQUIRES A DIFFERENT BELOW THAT REGULATIONS AND WE CHANGE THAT TO SMALL RENUMBERING
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S. WE ADDED THREE SIGN PER CANDIDATE.WE NEED TO CAPITALIZE V AND P FOR VOTING PERIOD SINCE IT IS A DEFINED TERM.
JUST REFER TO VOTING PI AND G. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE CAPITALIZED. M.
WANT TO SAY PROPERTY? I WAS THINKING THAT THE POLLING PLACE.
IS THAT A DEFINED TERM? IS POLLING PLACE A DEFINED TERM? I DON'T KNOW IF POLLING PLACE IS DEFINED IN HERE, BUT IT MAY BE SO NO, IT'S NOT, BUT IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS.
A POLLING PLACE IN CITY PROPERTY.
>> DO WE WANT TO DO 100 FEET OF THE COMMON PLACE ENTRANCE OR DO WE WANT TO JUST DO ON CITY PROPERTY?
>> AGAIN, WE CAN'T REALLY GO TO THE ZONE.
>> CITY PROPERTY PROBABLY MAKES SENSE.
>> THAT CLARIFIES EVERYTHING THERE.
>> OTHERWISE, THERE'S MORE THAN A HUNDRED PEOPLE?
>> YEAH. THEY'RE GOOD AT THIS.
>> GOOD IDEA. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH PUTTING THE SIGNS OUT HERE? WHAT CITY PROPERTY, IS THAT TWO?
>> THREE SIGNS. IT'S DEFINING WHERE IT IS ON CITY PROPERTY.
>> ACTUALLY, YOU CANNOT PUT ANY SIGNS WITHIN 100 FEET.
THIS REALLY IS THE ONLY CHANGE? AND THEN I GUESS THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN TELL US WHETHER THREE SIGNS IS KOSHER OR NOT.
>> IF EVERYBODY IS TREATED THE SAME, THEN THERE SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
THAT IS WHERE I THINK AS WE WERE READING SOME OF THE PROBLEMS SOME CITIES WERE HAVING IS BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT TREATING EVERYBODY AND EVERY ISSUE THE SAME.
AS LONG AS YOU'RE TREATING THEM THE SAME, I THINK THE RULINGS HAVE BEEN EFFECTIVE.
>> IT'S A VERY WEAK ARGUMENT TO SAY THAT THREE SIGNS IS ILLEGAL AND FIVE SIGNS WILL BE LEGAL.
IT'S A HARD ARGUMENT FOR THEM TO MAKE.
>> YOU JUST BALANCE WHAT YOU KNOW.
>> THE SIZE? CURRENTLY, IT'S AT 36 SQUARE FEET.
>> THE LIMIT THREE, 36 SQUARE FEET IS LIKE SIX BY SIX OR THREE BY 12.
>> ON FIVE, ELECTIONEERING AT POLLING LOCATIONS, THE PURPOSE OF THIS SECTION IS TO PROVIDE REASONABLE REGULATIONS FOR ELECTIONEERING ON CITY OWNED OR CONTROLLED PUBLIC PROPERTY WHEN THE PROPERTY IS USED AS AN ELECTION POLLING PLACE.
THE REGULATIONS CONTAINED HERE AND ARE TO MITIGATE AGAINST ANY SAFETY CONCERNS, PREVENT DAMAGE TO PUBLIC PROPERTY, AND ENSURE THE PROPERTY IS SUFFICIENTLY AVAILABLE FOR ITS PATRONS WHO USE THE FACILITIES OTHER THAN FOR ELECTION PURPOSES.
THE ELECTIONEERING AT PUBLIC LOCATIONS, THAT WHOLE SECTION, LET'S SEE IF WE INDICATE THE AMOUNT OF TIME.
WE DO HAVE THE 36 SQUARE FEET ON THERE.
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I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY DEFINED FOR THE SIZE.>> I ACTUALLY THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING THAT WAS SMALLER THAN THAT.
>> THAT'S MAX. IT'S LIMITED BY THE AMOUNT OF REMOTE CANS EACH CAN TAKE.
SHOULD WE ALSO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY IF WE COULD LIMIT THAT? TO MAKE IT SMALLER THAN 36 ON CITY OWNED?
>> HANG ON A SECOND. READ NUMBER 1 VERY CAREFULLY.
APPLIED TO ELECTIONEERING ON THE PREMISES OF PUBLIC PROPERTY THAT OCCURS OUTSIDE THE PROHIBITED AREA DURING THE VOTING PERIOD? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A PROHIBITED AREA?
>> NO. IS IT 100 FEET THAT IT'S REFERRING TO?
>> NO. WITHIN 100 FEET, YOU CANNOT.
>> I SEE WHERE THE CITY SAYS THAT YOU'RE NOT TO PLACE A SIGN WITHIN TEN FEET OF THE ROADWAY.
>> WITHIN 10 FEET THE CAN'T PUT A BIG SIGN RIGHT THERE AT 10 FEET?
>> FOR 30 SQUARE, THERE IS SOMETHING IN HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT SIGNS THAT ARE BLOCKING MAYBE IN PROHIBITED SIGNS OR SOMETHING.
[NOISE] SIGNS WHICH INTERFERE WITH OBSTRUCTED VIEW OF OR MAY BE CONFUSED WITH ANY OTHER TRAFFIC SIGNS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
SIGNS WHICH OBSTRUCT FREE AND CLEAR VISION AT ANY STREET INTERSECTION.
>> THAT'S IN 153, PROHIBITED SIGNS NUMBER 4.
>> IT DOESN'T. THAT'S JUST IN GENERAL, ANY PROHIBITED SIGN IS ANYTHING THAT OBSTRUCTS CLEAR VISION.
>> WE WERE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO THIS WITHOUT REPEATING OURSELVES.
>> WE'RE AT THREE SIGNS AND WHETHER WE WANT TO LIMIT THE SIZE.
AT THE POLLING PLACE, ESSENTIALLY.
WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE LIMIT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET OF ALL OF THEIR SIZE.
THAT'S GETTING A LITTLE BIT NEEDY.
BUT GUYS CAN'T DO NOTHING. [LAUGHTER].
>> LET'S SAY THEY'RE GOING TO BE OUT HERE.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT TOO COMPLICATED.
>> THE REAP. THEY KNOW WHERE THE ACRE IS, THOUGH?
>> LET'S MAKE IT EASILY ENFORCEABLE.
>> WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE SMALL SIGNS?
REMEMBER, I MEASURED IT. I GOT ONE OUT AND I MEASURED IT.
>> ONE OF THOSE STANDARD SIGNS IS 24 BY AND 18.
>> IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO AROUND THE BIG ONES, WE SHOULD HAVE A DESIGNATED AREA FOR HIM BECAUSE I DO THINK WE HAVE VISIBILITY PROBLEMS.
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THEY'RE TRYING TO TURN LEFT OUT OF HERE.>> THE QUESTION IS, AROUND THE POLLING PLACE, SHOULD YOU EVEN HAVE ANY OF THE BIG SIGNS? AND I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD.
>> THEY HAVE BIG SIGNS AT CORNERS AND PEOPLE'S LOTS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT, YOU DON'T NEED BIG SIGNS LIKE THAT AT THE POLLING PLACE.
>> I GUESS LET'S PUT THE LIMIT ON THE SIGNS.
>> THREE SIGNS, NO MORE THAN, TOTAL 4 SQUARE FEET FOR EACH SIDE. THAT'S TWO BY TWO.
YEAH. THAT'S THE STANDARD, STICK IT IN THE GROUND SIGN OR WHATEVER.
>> THEN WE DON'T HAVE QUITE THE POTENTIAL FOR THE VISIBILITY OF STRUCTURE.
>> YOU CAN SEE A BUG AROUND THAT STUFF? IT'S JUST LIKE LONG ANIMAL GRASS.
[LAUGHTER] I'D RATHER DO THAT.
>> ALL THE GUYS RED ONES, AND IF THEY DON'T GET THE MOVE BEFORE THEY START PUTTING SIGNS UP, THEN THEY GOT TO GO, MOVE THEM AND PUT THEM BACK.
THEN UNTIL CATHERINE TELLS US, NO.
>> DO YOU HAVE A DRAFT COPY OF THAT?
>> I DO HAVE A COUPLE NOTATIONS HERE.
>> WE CAN WE CAN GET IT TO YOU.
>> WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE LIGHT FOR THE CHURCH? ARE WE RECOMMENDING A VARIANCE OR ARE WE GOING TO EXPLORE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE?
>> I THINK THE VARIANCE IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT AVENUE FOR THAT.
IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH AND CHANGE THE ORDINANCE.
>> YOU GUYS HAVE THE LIGHT ROOM?
>> WE DO. I HATE IT. THE ORDINANCE IS LAME.
>> I WAS THINKING THAT THEY SHOULD NEVER BE BRIGHTER THAN EMERGENCY VEHICLE LED LIGHTS.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE I CONSIDER THOSE A SAFETY ISSUE.
BECAUSE THEY BLIND PEOPLE AT NIGHT.
BUT MOST OF THE SIGNS THAT ARE THERE ARE VERY INNOCUOUS.
I THINK A LOT OF THEM DIM AT NIGHT, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
>> HERE'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IN THE CASE OF ORDINANCE WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT LIGHTING AND IT CAN'T GET BRIGHTER THAN THE PROPERTY LINE? THAT IS IF IT'S BRIGHTER THAN THAT, THAT'S PROHIBITED.
THAT'S WHAT CALLS THAT WE GET. [INAUDIBLE]
>> I THINK WE COULD JUST STICK WITH THAT.
>> I LIKE THE VARIANCE IDEA JUST FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE ANY OTHER VARIANCES.
WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO THINK OF THAT.
IT'S A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. SPECIAL CASE.
>> THEN IF IT BECAME, EVERYBODY CAME IN ASKING FOR A VARIANCE OF DVA SHUT DOWN.
>> THEN WE COULD REVISIT IT IF IT BECAME A REAL PROBLEM AFTER THAT.
>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING GO AROUND?
>> I GUESS WE NEED TO JUST GET SOME CHANGES, GET THIS OUT TO EVERYONE, GIVE IT TO PATTI, LET HER DISTRIBUTE IT AND SEE IF WE NEED TO REVIEW AGAIN BEFORE WE PUT THE MARKER ZERO ON IT.
>> WHAT ABOUT QUESTIONS TO [INAUDIBLE] THOSE TO ME?
[01:00:05]
>> ACTUALLY, I HAVE SOME MINUTES TO DROP IT OFF.
>> [INAUDIBLE] WE WILL THE FUTURE?
[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
>> FLOODS COMING UP. THEY WERE JUST SUBMITTED ON THE 28TH? THOSE WILL BE ON THE NEXT SCHEDULED.
MCCURRY. THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
DO YOU REMEMBER THE [INAUDIBLE]? THAT'S COMING UP. WE'RE STILL REVIEWING THOSE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL ROUND.
>> IT'S NOT ALL AROUND AND I FORGET WHAT IT IS, BUT COME ON, THEY DID NOT.
I'M AFRAID HE SAID HE WOULD SIGN A WAIVER. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S PLAYING.
>> I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A REALLY NICE LOOKING MIDDLE TO DEPARTMENT. [INAUDIBLE]
>> GOOD [BACKGROUND] LUCK WITH THAT.
>> THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO THOUGH. [INAUDIBLE]
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.