[CALL TO ORDER]
[00:00:20]
YES.[WORKSHOP ]
>> FIRST OF ALL, I'D JUST LIKE TO GET STARTED BY GOING OVER THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP THAT WAS HELD LAST MONTH AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NUMBERS THAT ARE PRESENTED FOR YOU TODAY.
I THINK THE LARGEST DIFFERENCE IS GOING TO BE SHOWN THROUGH THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT CERTIFIED NUMBERS.
THE CERTIFIED TOTALS CAME IN ALMOST $18 MILLION HIGHER THAN THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATES.
THAT'S GOING TO GENERATE AN ADDITIONAL $55,000 OF REVENUES.
WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LINE ITEM BUDGET, ON THE COVER SHEET HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A SURPLUS OF $876,940 NOW.
BEFORE THAT IT WAS 834,000. IT WENT UP.
ALSO IN THE SUPPLEMENTALS, DURING THE FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTALS.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SUPPLEMENTALS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S TWO PAGES.
THE FIRST PAGE ON THE SUPPLEMENTALS HAS OPTION 1 WITH THE THREE FULL TIME FIREFIGHTERS AND ABSOLUTE ROOM FOR FIVE POLICE OFFICERS, AND THEN ALSO THE ADDITION OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT AND ADMIN AND A MAINTENANCE WORKER IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
THEN THE SECOND PAGE OF THE SUPPLEMENTALS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S THE OPTION 2.
THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE EFFECT WOULD BE IF WE HIRED 314 FIREFIGHTERS AND DID AWAY WITH A PART TIME SHIFT, INSTEAD OF HAVING A FOURTH PERSON, AND THEN ALSO JUST ADDING THREE PATROL OFFICERS INSTEAD OF FIVE.
IT ALSO INCLUDES THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT ADMIN AND A MAINTENANCE WORKER IN PUBLIC WORKS.
I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO COUNSEL, I THINK IN THE FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP, THERE WAS A LOT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE SUPPLEMENTALS AND WE WANT TO WRITE WE GOT THE CERTIFIED TOTALS AND TAX RATE CALCULATIONS AND ALL THAT IN BEFORE DECISIONS WERE MADE.
THE LINE ITEM BUDGET THAT I HAVE MADE A COPY FOR YOU AND LAID OUT.
THE SUPPLEMENTALS ARE NOT IN THAT LINE ITEM BUDGET WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND, AND THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THAT APPROPRIATE BUDGET.
I GUESS I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO COUNSEL FOR DISCUSSION ON THE SUPPLEMENTALS IF SOMEONE COMMENTS IT.
[INAUDIBLE] YOU CAN SEE IF ALL OF THE SUPPLEMENTALS WERE FUNDED WITH OPTION 1, THE TOTAL COST IS $1.3 MILLION.
IF WE WERE TO REDUCE THAT AND GO WITH OPTION 2, THE TOTAL OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL COST IS 787,000.
TECHNICALLY, THERE'S A SURPLUS IN THE GENERAL FUND RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO FUND OPTION 2 ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL LIST HERE.
IF YOU WANTED TO GO WITH OPTION 1, OBVIOUSLY, THERE HAD TO BE SOME CHANGES MADE TO SOME OF THESE ITEMS HERE, OR WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT LINE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET AND REDUCE THOSE ITEMS OR HAVE A DEFICIT.
>> IS THAT THE MAINTENANCE WORKER BEING A ONE-TIME COST AT TYPO?
>> THAT WOULD BE TYPO. YES, SIR.
LET ME GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT.
>> CORRECT. YES, 73,000 SHOULD BE IN THE RECURRING COSTS.
[00:05:10]
ALSO ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL, THERE WAS DISCUSSION IN THE FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP ABOUT THE PAVILION.IT'S ALSO IN THE SECOND OPTION 2, REMOVE THE PAVILION.
>> I GUESS WE WANT TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE LINE ITEMS AND TALK ABOUT IT OR SAY WHAT HOW TO HANDLE THAT? I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS.
I AM IN FAVOR OF THE THREE FULL TIME FIREFIGHTERS BEING THERE ALL THE TIME.
I REALLY LIKE CHIEF MILLER'S FIVE PRELIMINARILY DISCUSSED ABOUT ADDING TO EVENTUALLY GET TO A FULL TIME.
I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT PLAN TO GO AHEAD AND STAIR STEP INTO THAT VISION.
I REALLY APPRECIATE OUR PART TIME FIREFIGHTERS AND I DON'T WANT TO CUT THEM OUT RIGHT AWAY, BUT I THINK GIVING THEM THOSE FULL TIME PEOPLE ONE PER SHIFT IS GOING TO GIVE SOME OWNERSHIP INTO OUR DEPARTMENT.
I REALLY SUPPORT THAT THREE FULL TIME FIREFIGHTERS.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY THAT IS OPTION 1.
>> CHIEF MILLER, CAN YOU GIVE US A SERVICE CAPACITY COMPARISON BETWEEN OPTIONS 1 AND OPTION 2.
TRY TO GO OFF FOR WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO A COUPLE OF THINGS. I WOULD SAY.
OPTION 1, YOU HAVE THREE FULL TIME MEMBERS AND YOU STILL HAVE YOUR THREE PART TIME MEMBERS.
TOTAL OF FOUR MEMBERS PER SHIFT.
WHEN WHATEVER FIREFIGHTER TAKES OFF WITH THIS OPTION 1, WE DON'T HAVE TO HIRE BACK. THEY'RE ALREADY THERE.
WE WANT TO MAKE OUR MINIMUM STAFFING AS DISCUSSED IN THE FIRST MEETING TO THREE.
CURRENTLY WE'RE AT TWO. IT'S NOT OPERATING VERY SAFE.
WE LIVE ON A PRAYER, IF YOU WILL, HOPING THAT THREE ARE THERE CURRENTLY AS WE ARE STAFFED.
OPTION 1 GIVES US THREE FULL TIME FIREFIGHTERS WITH FOUR PERSONNEL STAFF DAILY.
WE ARE NOW OVERSTAFFED AND WE'RE ABLE TO COMPLETE OUR TWO IN TWO OUT RULE, WHICH MEANS WE NEED TWO FIREFIGHTERS INSIDE FIGHTING FIRE AND TWO FIREFIGHTERS OUTSIDE FIGHTING, READY TO GO IN FOR RESCUE IS WHAT WE NEED.
THAT'S OPTION 1, AND YOU LOOK AT IT FURTHER, IT'S A MONEY SAVER.
OPTION 2, YOU CURRENTLY ONLY HAVE THREE FIREFIGHTERS, THREE FULL TIMERS, AND TWO PART TIMERS.
BUT ONE OF THOSE MEMBERS TAKES OFF, YOU HAVE TO CALL BACK.
ARE YOU GOING TO HIRE A FULL TIMER OR ARE YOU GOING TO HIRE A PART TIMER? WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE.
WE'RE TRYING TO COVER COSTS BY HAVING THE FOUR PEOPLE STAFF DAILY TO WHERE THEY CAN USE THEIR PTO.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HIRE BACK. IN THE LONG RUN, IT'S A MONEY SAVING DEAL, DEPENDING HOW THIS PROCESS GOES.
>> HAVING THE TWO IN TWO OUT IS DETRIMENTAL.
THAT IS SO IMPORTANT WHEN FIGHTING A FIRE.
IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE FOUR PEOPLE ON AND YOU'RE DOWN TO THREE BECAUSE SOMEBODY TOOK OFF, THEY'RE NOT GOING IN.
THERE WERE TIMES DELAYED, WE'RE WAITING ON OTHER BACK AT PEOPLE TO GET THERE AND YOU CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE GO INTO A FIRE WITH THREE. YOU HAVE TO WAIT.
>> TO TOUCH ON THAT, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT RULE.
I.E, IF THERE'S A RESCUE, A FIRE IS AT AN INCIPIENT STAGE, JUST THE BEGINNING OF IT.
IF THERE'S A LIFE TO BE SAVED, WE'RE GOING IN, NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE.
THAT'S NUMBER 1 IS LIFE SAFETY FOR ALL FIRE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS AMERICA, AND WE'RE NO DIFFERENT.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRE WE HAD THE OTHER DAY ON CHESHIRE, THAT WAS A FIRE THAT WAS MAINTAINED PERFECTLY WITH WHAT WE HAD.
WE DID HAVE THREE PEOPLE, BUT THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO GO IN AND ACTIVELY FIGHT THE FIRE BECAUSE OF BEING SHORT STAFFED.
OUR OFFICER ON THE TRUCK HAD TO RUN COMMAND.
I WAS COMING FROM SOMEWHERE WITH MY FAMILY AND CAUGHT UP WITH THEM LATER.
WE WERE INITIALLY, I WOULDN'T SAY WE WERE DELAYED ON A RESPONSE, BUT WE WERE UNABLE TO DO THE FULL CAPABILITY OF OUR JOB DUE TO HAVING TO DROP AN OFFICER TO COMMAND.
BASICALLY, OUR ENGINEER AND OUR FIREFIGHTER HAD TO PULL THE HOSES TO THE FRONT DOOR AND BASICALLY WAIT, WHICH LUCKILY ISN'T A LONG TIME WITH HOW THE DISPATCH SYSTEM IS SET UP.
WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE ON SCENE FAIRLY QUICK.
[00:10:03]
IT'S JUST THAT INITIAL DELAY IS WHAT YOU DON'T WANT.>> DID YOU GET ASSISTANCE FROM THAT FIRE DEPARTMENTS?
>> YEAH, WE HAD ASSISTANCE FROM MULTIPLE FIRE DEPARTMENTS ON THAT AND THIS WAS WORST CASE SCENARIO WITH IT BECAUSE THERE WAS A FIRE IN ALLEN, WHICH FAIR VIEW IS OUR MUTUAL AID, A FIRE IN LAVON AND A FIRE ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
THEY WERE JUST PULLING EVERYWHERE AND WE MANAGED TO MAKE IT WORK WITH WHAT WE HAD.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT US AS A CITY ARE STAFFING IT.
IT'S REALLY WHAT WE ARE. YOU CALL US, WE COME.
SAME THING FOR YOUR INSURANCE. YOU CALL US.
THEY'RE GOING TO COME. WE WANT TO BE PREPARED.
THAT'S WHY WE REALLY ARE PUSHING THE FOUR PERSON STAFFING ON THAT.
YES, WE'RE GOING TO RELY ON MUTUAL AID, BUT WE'RE THERE TO DO OUR JOB IMMEDIATELY AND WE'RE READY TO GO.
>> WITH THE CURRENT SETUP WHERE WE HAVE INTER LOCALS AND WE HAVE RELYING ON PART TIME, WE'RE LESS EFFECTIVE OVERALL THAN WE COULD BE IF WE ADDED THESE THREE FULL TIME.
>> I WOULDN'T SAY WE'RE LESS EFFECTIVE.
I WOULD SAY WE'D BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH AN EXTRA PERSON ON SHIFT.
>> STAFFING IS AFFECTED. WE'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE CPR.
WE RECENTLY PURCHASED A LUCAS DEVICE.
LUCAS DEVICE IS SOMETHING THAT GIVES YOU CHEST COMPRESSIONS.
WE SET IT UP, WE PUT IT ON YOU, AND IT GOES.
IT'S NOT ANOTHER PERSON BECAUSE THAT THING'S NOT THINKING FOR YOU.
THE CPR, TYPICALLY, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED FOUR PEOPLE.
THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOMEONE OPERATING A MONITOR.
YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOMEONE TO DO CHEST COMPRESSIONS IF THAT MACHINE'S NOT AVAILABLE, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOMEBODY BARKING ORDERS OUT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOMEBODY PUSHING DRUGS.
ALL THAT IS TAKING PLACE BEFORE AN AMBULANCE GETS THERE, HENCE THE FIRST RESPONDERS NAME THAT WE HAVE.
THE SHORE OF STAFFING DOES ELIMINATE ONE OF THOSE TASKS WHERE SOMEBODY ELSE IS HAVING TO DO TWO JOBS, ESSENTIALLY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
YOU CALL 911, YOU WANT THE BEST.
DO YOU REALLY CARE WHO'S SHOWING UP? IN MY 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE, THE ANSWER IS NO.
YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE THERE TO HELP YOU.
YOU WANT THE CLOSEST DEPARTMENT, WHETHER IT BE WHOEVER, WHEREVER YOU'RE AT, WHATEVER BORDER YOU'RE ON, YOU WANT THE CLOSEST DEPARTMENT TO GET THERE, AND YOU WANT TO HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT YOUR FAMILY MEMBER LIKE WHY YOU ONLY HAVE TWO PEOPLE TODAY? WE WERE SHORT STAFF TODAY AND WE JUST CAN'T AFFORD IT.
THAT'S WHERE I STAND WITH THAT ONE.
>> THE TWO IN, TWO OUT, AND THE WAITING CONDITION THAT YOU DESCRIBED, ABOUT HOW OFTEN HAS THAT HAPPENED OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS?
>> I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD OR FACTS ON IT.
BUT LUCKILY, LIKE I SAID, WITH THE DISPATCH SYSTEM, YOUR RATING AND IT DEPENDS WHERE THE UNITS COMING FROM, IF MURPHY AND WILEY ARE CLOSEST UNITS IN LUCAS.
IF THEY'RE ALL BUSY, THINK ABOUT THE OUTSIDE AGENCIES THAT ARE HAVING TO COME IN TO MUTUAL AID WITH YOU.
WE DID HAVE THAT ALLEN STATION 3, WHICH IS OVER OFF OF SPRING HILL AND BETHANY.
BASICALLY IS WHERE THEY'RE AT.
THEY'RE CLOSE. THEY WERE REAL CLOSE TO THAT FIRE.
LUCKILY, THEY WERE AVAILABLE AND WERE ABLE TO HELP US.
I WOULD SAY WE WERE PROBABLY WITHOUT TWO IN TWO OUT, 2-3 MINUTES, BUT YOU GOT TO REMEMBER A FIRE DOUBLES EVERY MINUTE.
LIFE SAFETY IS IN THERE AS WELL.
WE WERE ALREADY BEHIND, IF YOU WILL, IF SOMETHING WERE TO TAKE PLACE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THAT PREDICAMENT.
I'VE ALWAYS SAID THIS [INAUDIBLE].
IF EVERYONE IS IN FAVOR OF THE OPTION 1 AND FIREFIGHTERS, REMARKED THAT ONE.
THEN I GUESS PROBABLY BEST JUST GO DOWN THE LIST THERE AND GET YOUR OPINIONS ON THE REST OF THESE ITEMS IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE.
[00:15:01]
>> DO WE KNOW IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS GOING TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE?
>> NOW STEP ON DOWN [INAUDIBLE] TO THE TRAILER.
>> HERE, YOU WANT TO SPEAK [INAUDIBLE]
>> CORRECT. THE TRAILER FOR THE SKITS.
WE'VE GOT IT IN THE BUDGET FOR THE COMING YEAR TO TRADE IN.
GET RID OF THE OLD SKITS WE HAVE AND GET ANOTHER ONE.
THE NEW ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT HEAVIER.
WE WANT A LITTLE BETTER TRAILER TO BE ABLE TO CARRY THAT THING AROUND WITH AND PUT THE ATTACHMENTS ON THERE TO CARRY WITH JOB.
>> NO. WE'LL KEEP THAT TRAILER. THAT'S STILL A GOOD TRAILER.
>> BEFORE YOU CAME IN IT WAS NOTED THAT COSTS [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE JUST HAD SOME SUMMER HELP THAT JUST HAD TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL.
IT WAS REALLY NICE HAVING THAT EXTRA PERSON.
WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF WORK FOR ANOTHER PERSON TO COME IN AND HELP WITH A BUNCH OF MOWING AND ON LEAKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHEN WE GOT SOMEBODY THAT MIGHT BE OUT SICK OR ON VACATION.
>> THERE'S NO TYPICAL. ANYTHING FROM MOWING TO MIDDLE MAINTENANCE, TO MAIN BRAKES, STREET REPAIRS, POTHOLES, THERE'S ANY NUMBER OF THINGS THAT CAN COME UP THAT THESE GUYS ARE EXPECTED TO DO.
WE'LL HIT A TIME WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY FOR A MINUTE, AND THEN IT'S ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE THEY JUST POP UP LEFT AND RIGHT. WE CAN'T GET A BREAK.
>> I KNOW WE HAVE MOWING SERVICES ABOUT THE RELIABLE ONES.
>> WE MOW CITY HALL AND THE PARK, THIS WHOLE AREA OUT FRONT HERE, THE PARK, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF AREAS LIKE DOWN ON SPRING HILL THAT WE MOW FOLLOWED BY CHAPARRAL. THAT AREA.
>> THE CENTRAL PUMP STATION ON THE EAST OF THE PUMP STATION.
THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF MOWING THAT THESE GUYS DID.
>> I FELT THIS IS AN ITEM WE'VE NEEDED FOR A WHILE.
I HAVE SEEN THE SYMPTOMS OF THEM BEING BACKLOGGED FOR YEARS, SO I'M HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE OF ADDING A WORKER TO PUBLIC WORKS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] 7,000 A YEAR, I HAVE A THIRD OF BENEFITS IN VALUE.
>> THAT'S GOING TO BE SALARY BENEFITS AND OTHER STUFF.
>> THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THEIR SALARY.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MAINTENANCE WORKER ONE IS AN ENTRY LEVEL POSITION.
SOMEONE THAT'S TRAINABLE IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
THEY CAN HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE. THAT'D BE GREAT, BUT EVEN IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY'RE TRAINABLE, WE CAN MAKE MORE.
>> THE TYPICAL SALARY RANGE FOR MAINTENANCE WORKER AROUND, ACTUAL SALARY IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 40,000. YES, SIR.
>> THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING BACK ONLINE AND SALARY.COM FOR SIMILAR WORK.
>> IT WAS THE DUTY OF PUBLIC WORKS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE ASSETS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO AVOID RUNNING WITH A LAWN MOWER.
THE LIABILITY COST OF HAVING AN EXTERNAL CONTRACTOR DO IT IS TOO HIGH.
IS IT A RAMP ACTIVITY FOR NEWER EMPLOYEES WHERE THEY CAN INTERMIX THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO VERSUS OTHERS WITH, AND JUST CURIOUS-WISE, WHY WORKS IS ENGAGED IN LAWN MOWING?
>> BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF MOWING TO DO AND THE CONTRACT WE HAVE DOESN'T COVER IT.
[00:20:01]
>> WHAT WOULD BE THE COST OF EXPANDING THE CONTRACT TO INCLUDE?
>> A QUICK ASSUMPTION WOULD BE IT WOULD PROBABLY NEARLY DOUBLE THE COST OF THE CONTRACT.
THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF MOWING, BUT WE CAN ASK FOR THAT WHEN IT'S TIME FOR THE CONTRACT TO RENEW.
WE CAN ASK FOR THAT AS AN ALTERNATIVE.
>> BUT FOR THESE SPOTS YOU ARE MOWING LESS OFTEN THAN THEY'RE MOWING THE MEDIUM SO I WOULD ASSUME.
>> WE ARE, BUT NOT BY CHOICE BECAUSE, SOMETIMES, THAT GETS TALL, AND IT'S HARDER TO MOW, BUT IT'D BE NICE IF WE HAD THE TIME AND STAFF FOR A CONTRACT TO KEEP THAT MOWED AND MAINTAINED ON REGULAR SCHEDULE.
>> WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU ADDED EMPLOYEES TO YOUR DEPARTMENT?
>> OTHER THAN THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, HE HASN'T ADDED AN EMPLOYEE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, SO OVER SEVEN YEARS.
>> BEFORE WE GO TO ADDITIONAL PARK [INAUDIBLE].
WE CAN NOW GO TO THE ADDITIONAL STAFFING FOR THE PATROL OFFICERS.
>> WE ORIGINALLY PUT IN FOR FIVE OFFICERS.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS NOT ADDED STAFF SINCE 2019.
THE POPULATION IN THE TRAFFIC IN THE ROADWAYS INCREASED EXPONENTIALLY FOR US, SO WE'RE POLICING HERE IN THE DAYTIME, AND MOSTLY, EVEN IF WE HAVE A GIGANTIC POPULATION VERSUS WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE CITY.
IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO US TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO OFFICERS IN PATROL AT ALL TIMES.
THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES THAT HELP US.
WE'LL ALSO HAVE INCREASED CALLS, AND SO THE ABILITY TO RESPOND TO THIS IS NEEDED AND HAVING EXTRA STAFFS [INAUDIBLE].
>> FIND A BIG JUMP FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. [INAUDIBLE] IF WE HAD THREE.
>> THAT WOULD GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TWO OVER THE MAJORITY.
IT ALSO WOULD GIVE US OUR FIVE INVESTIGATORS DOING PATROL INVESTIGATION WHICH IS AVERAGING ABOUT 25-40 CALLS A MONTH ON TOP OF THE PATROL DUTIES.
IT WILL MOVE MORE TO AN INVESTIGATIVE STYLE, AND WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM CITIZENS ABOUT WHY THEY'RE TAKING SO LONG TO HELP [INAUDIBLE].
HE DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF MAINTAINING BUT HERE WE ARE.
>> EXACTLY HOW MANY PATROL DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW?
>> WE'VE WHOLE FULL-TIME RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THEM IN VIETNAM.
>> WE'RE DOWN TWO ALREADY, AND THEN WE'VE GOT TO SHOW THOSE PLUS WHATEVER ELSE WAS BRING HIM ON, WHICH IS DIFFICULT.
>> THAT'S THE CASE WITH EVERYONE [INAUDIBLE].
>> YES. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT LUCAS IS DOING.
APPARENTLY, THEY'RE PLANNING FOR FALL OF '26 TO GO TO HAVING A POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK, HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT OUR CALL LOAD IN EITHER DIRECTION? SECOND OF ALL, IS THAT GOING TO HURT US AS FAR AS HIRING GOES?
>> IT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO PUT A STRAIN ON THE AVAILABILITY IN THE AREA.
OUR CALL VOLUME'S GOING TO CHANGE A LOT.
IF THEY DO START A POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF NEW GUIDELINES THAT ARE REQUIRED BEFORE THEY CAN GET THAT APPROVAL, IT WILL GIVE US ANOTHER SET OF POTENTIAL BACKUPS IF THEY WOULD COMORBIDITY FALLS.
RIGHT NOW, THE STRENGTH BETWEEN THE TWO IS NOT GREAT.
[00:25:04]
>> YES, IT WILL TAKE AWAY FROM OUR APPROVAL.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY IT, WE ONLY WANTED 11, SO YOU'RE SHORT TWO FOR GIVING THREE INSTEAD OF FIVE NEW PEOPLE. WILL THAT HELP?
>> FIVE WILL GIVE US A GUARANTEE.
TWO WON'T GIVE IT ALL TIME, BUT THREE WILL GIVE US STAFF FOR MUTUAL.
>> THAT GUARANTEE, THOUGH, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING GUARANTEE YOU'RE ASSUMING WE'RE FACTORING VACATIONS TRAINING, ETC.
IF WE WENT WITH TWO OR THREE OFFICERS, INSTEAD, NORMALLY WE WOULD HAVE TWO OFFICERS ON DUTY, BUT THEN WE WOULD JUST BE SHORT WHEN WE HAD VACATIONS.
>> INTERESTINGLY, THE AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK THAT ARRIVED FROM CITIZENS ON POLICE HAS TO DO WITH OUR RESPONSE TIME, SO JUST FINE.
I WANTED TO JUST, BEFORE I DO THIS, TO TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE TWO PATROLS, IF NOT GUARANTEED ALL THE TIME OR WHAT IS THE IMPACT TO CITIZENS? I IMAGINE, I GUESS, AND I DON'T WANT TO GUESS FOR YOU, BUT A LOT OF THE TIME, IT'S GOING TO BASICALLY BE FOR REALLY CONSTRAINED RESOURCES.
OFFICERS ARE GOING TO GO TO THE HIGHEST PRIORITY NEEDS FIRST, BUT CAN YOU GIVE MAYBE SOME EXAMPLE SCENARIOS THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE MOST IMPACTFUL?
>> YOU HAVE A PATROL ON DUTY, AND YOU'VE GOT ONE OFFICER AND THEN THAT OFFICER MAKES AN ARREST.
THE RATIONAL ON AVERAGE IS KNOWN AS DOI, THEY CAN BE HERE FOR AN HOUR CONTACT WITH THE LAW [INAUDIBLE].
IF IT'S A DOI, THOSE IT WOULD TAKE SPACE OUT DEPENDING ON THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF PAPERWORK REQUIRED BY THE COURT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF IT.
THIS WOULD LEAVE A CUSHION WHERE THERE'S AN OFFICER HERE WHILE THE OTHERS ARE OUT BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES THAT WE ARE OUT OF THE CITY, AND MURPHY'S COVERING AND COLLIN COUNTY'S COVERING, OR SOMETIMES, THERE'S RESPONDENCE WHERE IT'S JUST US.
>> WOULD THAT EVER PUT AN OFFICER IN A POSITION OF HAVING TO SAY, YOU REALLY THE SECURITY OF OUR STATE, BUT I CAN'T.
I CAN'T REALLY COME IN AND HANG OUT FOR HALF THE NIGHT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING BUT I DON'T HOPE IT WHATEVER, I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN IN A NEIGHBORING CITY.
>> IT MEANS THAT IF AN OFFICER STOPS SOMEBODY AND ASKS HIM TO VERIFY SIX TRAFFIC WARRANTS AND HE'S BEEN OUT FOR A LONG TIME.
YOU'D THINK SOMETIMES, THEN ALL TO DO, HEY YOU GOT WARRANTS.
GO TO TAKE CARE OF IT AND LET IT GO RATHER THAN ENFORCE THE LAW. YES, THAT DOES OCCUR.
>> HOW OFTEN DO YOU ARREST SOMEBODY?
>> IN TERMS OF THESE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WOULD BE A LEVEL TOO BECAUSE I LIKE IT HOW IT IS.
NOT EXACTLY SET FOR A BUDGET OF ALL FIVE OF THEM.
IT COMES DOWN TO EXPERIENCE OF THE PATROL OFFICERS. THAT'S IT.
>> IT CAN DEPEND. IT'S JUST GOING TO DEPEND ON THE APPLICANT, BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF THE SHORTAGE FOR STAFF ALL ACROSS THE NATION, WE'VE ACTUALLY STARTED GOING BACK TO HIRING OUT OR NOT BACK TO, BUT STARTED HIRING OUT OF THE CAPTAIN.
SOMETIMES WE JUST GET THE EXPERIENCE OF JUST THE CAPTAIN, BUT WE'VE ALSO HAD APPLICANTS WHO'VE HAD EXPERIENCE THAT APPLY AS WELL, SO IT'S JUST GOING TO DEPEND, AND THEN THAT EXPERIENCE DEPENDING ON WHERE WE AND WHAT DID, IS ONE WE HAVE.
>> I THINK THE IRONY OF THIS IS THE LITTLE HIRE EXPERIENCE, I FIND IT TO BE LESS INCLINED TO HIRE FIVE ROOKIES BECAUSE THEY NEED MORE TIME.
[00:30:06]
THEY TAKE MORE REAL-TIME ATTENTION.I'D RATHER HIRE 30 MORE EXPERIENCED THAN FIVE ROOKIES, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ACTUALLY MORE MANY HOURS ARE AVAILABLE TO US.
THEY MAY BE MORE DRAIN ON THE OFFICER.
AS A PERCENTAGE INCREASE IN OUR TOTAL POOL, THAT'S A LOT FOR US [INAUDIBLE].
>> ABSOLUTELY. THE STATE CO-RAISED THEIR GUIDELINES ON FIELD TRAINING AND BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS, AND THEY AMENDED BROADLY TO EVERY OPERATING OFFICER.
THE FPO TRAINING PERIOD, IT WOULD BE THE SAME FOR A BRAND NEW PERSON AS IT IS FOR EXPERIENCE PERSON.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THIS ONE MAY SHAVE OFF A COUPLE OF WEEKS WHERE THIS ONE WILL NOT, SO TRAINING TIMES WILL BE THE SAME.
>> DEFINITELY WANT TO BE WHERE EVERY SHIFT HAS TWO OFFICERS ON IT EVENTUALLY, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE YOUR REQUEST FOR FIVE OFFICERS SPREAD OUT OVER A PLAN OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS, WHATEVER.
I THINK WITH BEING TWO OFFICERS DOWN, IF WE CAN GET THAT UP, THAT'S GOING TO HELP, AND I THINK IF WE CAN ADD, I'D PREFER MAYBE ANOTHER ADDITIONAL TWO, THAT WOULD GET HIM UP AN ADDITIONAL FOUR OFFICERS.
I KNOW THAT WOULD HELP. THEN IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN, MAYBE FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO NEXT YEAR, THEN WE CAN SEE THE PROGRESSION OF GETTING HIM WHERE HE NEEDS TO BECAUSE ABSORBING FIVE AT ONE TIME IS JUST A LOT FOR ALL THE REASONS LISTED AS WELL AS FOR BUDGET REASONS.
>> THE PATROL OFFICERS, IS IT AN A BASED ON AN AVERAGE OF YOUR EXISTING FORCE OR IS THIS THE ENTRY LEVEL, THE MIDPOINT IN THE RANGE?
>> IT'S THE BEGINNING AND THE END OF THE SALARY.
IT'S AT THE TOP OF THE BEGINNING AND THE END [BACKGROUND].
>> IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO TWO OFFICERS, THAT'D BE $235,402.
>> WON'T YOU MIND IF WE HIRE THREE TO FOUR AND FIVE IN BECAUSE WE GOT TWO OPENINGS?
>> PERSONALLY, I WAS LEANING TOWARDS TWO MYSELF.
TWO ADDITIONAL JUST BECAUSE IT'S A BIG JUMP AT ONCE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PLAN.
NOW, I KNOW WE HAD A PLAN AND CAME ON, AND THIS WAS PROBABLY 5, 6 YEARS AGO.
THERE WAS A PLAN, I THINK EVENTUALLY DID IT TO 18. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT PLAN?
>> THAT WAS CHIEF [INAUDIBLE].
>> IT IN THAT WHERE THE OFFICERS GUARANTEED A RAISE [INAUDIBLE].
>> DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY DID THAT?
>> HOW MANY MORE OFFICERS CAN YOU BRING ON BOARD BEFORE YOU'RE JUST FLATLY OUT OF SPACE? NOT IN YOUR ROSTER BUT IN THE FACILITY WHERE YOU RUN INTO JUST LIKE WE CAN'T HIRE ANOTHER PERSON.
>> THEY ALL WON'T BE THERE AT ONE TIME, SO I WOULDN'T HAVE LOCKERS FOR ALL OF THEM.
I WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE SUPERVISOR STAFF HAS AN OFFICE, AND HAS A LOCKER.
>> CAN YOU VERIFY WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
>> ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE PLAN, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO US PLANNING FOR THE NEXT POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT EVENTUALLY, I HOPE.
IF WE COULD HAVE THAT FULL PLAN,
[00:35:01]
WE WILL BE FULLY STAFFED EVENTUALLY.I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A NEED FOR WHEN WE PLAN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL, SO FORWARD PLAN IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. BUILD UP.
>> THAT NUMBER WAS 18-20 [INAUDIBLE].
>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I AM HEARING SOME SUPPORT FOR OPTION 3 OF TWO PATROL OFFICERS BEING ADDED AT AN EXPENSE OF 235402.
>> I WAS DEALING WITH THE DIRECTOR, AND WE HAVE THREE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ALL THE PEOPLE HIRED ALL AT ONCE.
WE GET MY OPINION ON THIS IS THIS IS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THREE POSITIONS, MONEY, KNOWING THAT WE'VE GOT CURSING.
BUT EVERYBODY GETS THOSE SKILLS FOR PEOPLE AND THEN HIRES TWO OTHER BRAND PEOPLE AND 12 ORGANIZATION, AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS.
CAN YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR THE THIRD OF THREE PEOPLE BEFORE THE END OF THE NEXT YEAR, WITHIN THE FISCAL YEAR? I WOULD GO AHEAD AND CREDIT.
I EVIDENT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND THAT MONEY FOR PROBABLY THREE YEARS, BUT AT LEAST WE WOULD HAVE THE POSITION IF YOU NEED IT.
I WOULD LOOK TO GUIDE DICTION FROM THE DC ADMINISTRATOR, OR WOULD THAT BE THE TASK OF HIRING THAT PERSON? I WORK WITH THAT PERSON AND DECIDE WHETHER TO OF THE THIRD PERSON. [INAUDIBLE]
>> THAT'S NOT ESSENTIALLY WHERE I WAS GOING AS WELL, THE LIKELIHOOD WE WOULD GET ALL FIVE RIGHT UP FRONT AND AT THIS BUDGET IS NOT AS LIKELY AS THE SCENARIO YOU'RE PRESENTING.
I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE THE CHIEF THE ABILITY TO MANAGE HIS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE HE'S A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AND ALSO KNOWS THE HR WORLD, AND IT'S TOUGH TO GET ANYBODY HIRED AND ON QUICKLY IN THIS ENVIRONMENT.
>> WITH THAT ARGUMENT, THOUGH, WHY WOULD YOU ADD ADDITIONAL TO GET FOUR PEOPLE HIRED AND UP AND RUNNING IN A YEAR IS VERY DIFFICULT.
ESPECIALLY IN THAT SITUATION, AND I THINK BUDGETING THAT EXTRA PERSON IN A YEAR, I THINK WE'LL HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION IN A YEAR AND IF HE NEEDS ANOTHER TWO, WE'LL SEE WHAT WE'RE AT IN A YEAR, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO BUDGET IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND IT AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE BUDGET.
>> I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE STRUGGLING TO HIRE FOUR IN A YEAR.
I THINK IF YOU ALLOCATE THE BUDGET TOWARDS SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT YOU CAN'T ALLOCATE THE BUDGET TOWARDS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER YEAR-OVER-YEAR INCREMENT, AND TAX REVENUES, YOU CAN ADDRESS IT.
WE MAY HAVE ONE OF THE SLOTS STILL VACANT BY THEN.
I'M NOT AGAINST THE HEADCOUNT IN PRINCIPLE.
I'M JUST DOUBTFUL THAT THE BUDGET ALLOCATION HAS THE RETURN THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, SAY, ONLY TWO BEING OPEN FOR THE NEXT YEAR, THAT WE WOULD OTHERWISE.
>> BILLY, YOU WERE ON THE TWO-PERSON FRONT.
I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE'RE GOING WITH OPTION THREE.
>> THIS IS JUST A DIRECTION TO THE STAFF, AND THEN PRESUMABLY GRANT WILL BRING BACK A BUDGET THAT REFLECTS THE DIRECTION HE RECEIVES TODAY.
>> SURE. RIGHT NOW, JUST BASED ON THE DISCUSSION OF ITEMS THAT WE'VE GONE OVER.
WE'RE SITTING AT THE OPTION FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS.
IF WE DID AND THEN THE SKIER, THE TRAILER FOR THE SKIER, AND THE MAINTENANCE WORKER FOR PUBLIC WORKS.
IF WE DID THREE OFFICERS, THAT PUTS US AT $810,444.
IF WE DID TWO OFFICERS, IT WOULD PUT US AT $692,743 AT THIS TIME.
I WAS TRYING TO KEEP A RUNNING TAB HERE OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
>> CORRECT. YES, SIR. CORRECT. IT'S COMMON
[00:40:06]
I THINK I THINK IT'S PRETTY COMMON TO BUDGET FOR HALF A YEAR.A LOT OF TIMES, YOU'LL PUT A BUDGET IN WHERE YOU HIRE SOMEBODY ON APRIL 1 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEN YOU JUST HAVE A HALF-YEAR BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR YOU'D HAVE THE FULL IMPACT.
WE WERE AUTHORIZED TO [INAUDIBLE] IS BE SOME RISK DEPENDING ON, ECONOMY IN A VARIETY OF OTHER REASONS, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RETAIN THEM.
>> BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM COUNSEL IS THAT WITH THIS, COUNSEL, THERE'S AN INTENT TO GET TO A NUMBER THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING?
>> HOLIDAY [OVERLAPPING] AND I ACT AS PARKER AND RE'S SPOKESPERSON HERE.
THE MAIN REASON A PARKER FIRST NUMBER IS THE LAST YEAR THEY HAD SOMEBODY WHO WAS VOLUNTEERING WHO WAS VERY GOOD AT FUNDRAISING, WHO RAISED SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS, AND THAT PERSON IS NOT INVOLVED ANYMORE.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE COMMITTEE HAVE TRIED TO FUNDRAISE, BUT THAT'S JUST NOT THEIR SPECIALTY, SO THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO.
THEY'RE JUST MORE OR LESS ASKING FOR THE CITY TO PAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE COSTS THEY HAD LAST YEAR.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, I THINK LAST YEAR'S PEST BUDGET WAS 10K IS THAT CORRECT?
>> I FIRST. I AM IN FAVOR OF AN ADDITIONAL $5,000.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF FUNDRAISING, BUT I ALSO KNOW HOW HARD IT IS.
I THINK PRO FEST IS OUR ONE BIG EVENT THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT FOR COMMUNITY BUILDING BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
I THINK ALL OF THE RESIDENTS CAN BENEFIT FROM THAT AS WELL.
>> I THINK ROAN AND I HAVE ONLY BEEN HERE THROUGH THE ENTIRE THING.
WE HAD PARKER FEST IN THE PAST, AND IT WAS THE BIG SOCIAL EVENT, AND THEN SOMEWHERE, MAYBE IN 2015, PARKER AND REC WENT AWAY BECAUSE NOBODY WAS VOLUNTEERING FOR THE COMMUNITY.
PARKER FEST WENT AWAY FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
I DO THINK IT HURT THE COMMUNITY FROM GETTING TO MEET YOUR NEIGHBORS.
I'VE HEARD NOTHING BUT POSITIVE COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS ABOUT PARKER FEST.
>> SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES ALSO TALK ABOUT IT AND PARTICIPATE.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD EVENT TO BRING IN OTHER COMMUNITIES TO.
>> WHAT, IF ANY, REVENUE-GENERATING ACTIVITIES OCCUR DURING PARKER FEST?
>> IT'S MAINLY BECAUSE THEY CHARGE.
IT'S A NOMINAL FEE FOR A BOOST.
IT MIGHT BE $35, BUT I'M SAYING THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THEN THERE ARE SPONSORSHIPS THAT THEY DO AS WELL.
I THINK THEY'RE HAVING SUCCESS ON THAT, BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MAJOR INCOMES THEY HAVE.
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY LIKE FOOD TRUCK SPACES THAT WE'RE.
>> WE HAVE FOOD TRUCK SPACES, THREE OR FOUR OF THEM.
I HAVE NO IDEA IF THEY'RE CHARGING ANYTHING FOR THOSE OR NOT.
I'LL TAKE THIS OFF WITH YOU AND FRANK JUST TO BETTER UNDERSTAND IT.
[00:45:01]
>> I SUGGEST YOU TALK DIRECTLY BECAUSE HE KNOWS ALL THIS.
>> FAIR ENOUGH. NOW I CAN TALK TO SARAH TOO.
I'M OKAY WITH THE 5,000, I THINK, PARTICULARLY, WE'RE ABLE TO ALLOCATE BUDGET THAT IN THE CASE OF PARKER FEST, THEY WIND UP ABLE TO ATTAIN SPONSORS OR OTHER FORMS OF DONATIONS TO COVER THAT FIVE K, AND SIMPLY DOESN'T GET SPENT.
>> BUT I THINK THEY ARE ASKING FOR THIS TO BE A RECURRING DONATION EVERY YEAR, A DONATION TO THEIR DEPARTMENT.
>> $15,000 FOR WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS NOT VERY MUCH MONEY.
15 -10 FOR WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING.
BUT IF THEY WANT TO MOVE IT UP, ASKING FOR 15.
>> BUT ASKING DOES AND HOPEFULLY THE MORE SUCCESSFUL OF THE ARGUMENT.
>> BUILDERS, DEVELOPERS, UTILITIES?
>> HOLIDAY LIGHTING IS WHAT THE EVENT IS CALLED? I FORGOT. DO THE NAME OF THE EVENT? YEAH, I WANTED TO SAY THAT, BUT THAT FELT WRONG.
AWAY. THEY HAVE SOME LIGHTS OUT HERE NEAR CITY HALL THAT THEY PUT OUT.
THE FIRST YEAR, IT WAS LIKE IT WAS EXTRA HOLIDAY LIGHTS I HAD BUT I JUST GAVE THE CITY, AND THEY FELL APART.
ANYWAY, THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR A MORE PERMANENT LIGHTING SET TO BUY, AND THE RECURRING COST IS JUST TO PAY FOR STORAGE BECAUSE WE HAVE NOWHERE TO STORE THEM.
>> I LIKE THAT. I'M JUST THINKING, I KNOW WE HAD AN.
BUT I ALSO THINK WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A WAY TO PUBLICIZE IT EITHER.
I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GETTING THE BANG FOR THE BUCK OF ENJOYMENT.
I DON'T WANT TO DO AWAY WITH THAT IDEA COMPLETELY.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THIS FISCAL YEAR IS THE YEAR TO GO FORWARD.
>> WELL, I THINK THEY'RE DOING MORE THAN JUST LIGHTS ON THE BUILDING.
THEY'RE DOING SOME PROGRAMMING, LIKE THERE'S A GUY IN PARKS WHO IS GOING TO BRING IN THE PANELS TO PROGRAM THEM.
IT'S NOT JUST BASIC RIDING ON THE BUILDING.
BE A LITTLE ALMOST DESTINATION DRIVE BY BUILDING AND WE DON'T PIE ANYTHING.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, BANG FOR THE BUCK.
I MEAN, TO ME, UNTIL WE HAVE A BETTER WEBSITE WITH MORE VISIBILITY OF CHECK THIS OUT, AND SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE OR ANYTHING, THEN IT'S REALLY AT THE MERCY OF YOU DRIVING BY AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, WHAT'S THAT?
I DON'T REMEMBER BEING PUBLICIZED MUCH ON FACEBOOK COMPARED TO PARKER FEST.
>> WE DID HAVE FACEBOOK WHEN THEY HAD SANTA AND ALL OF THAT, LIKE [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T KNOW.
>> WELL, I ADD THAT I THINK THAT THE PERSON WHO WAS DOING THE PROGRAMMING AND THE WHITE SETUP WAS GOING TO DO IT FOR FREE.
BILLY FACT FACT-CHECK ME ON THAT.
BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A PERSONAL PASSION PROJECT BURIED IN HERE THAT WE GET A LOT OF VALUE FOR WHAT WE'D SPEND.
THEN, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, LIGHTING IS ITS OWN ADVERTISING.
NONE OF IT. NONE OF IT IF THEY'RE STORED IN THE MEZZANINE, AND THEY TAKE THE STORAGE COSTS OFF.
>> WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PANELS ARE CARRYING THEM UP AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE JUST HAVE TO BE INVESTIGATED. OPTION.
>> YEAR, $15,000. DO YOU HAVE ANY?.
[00:50:33]
>> I THINK PART OF THE SUBTLE ALLURE HAS BEEN A LITTLE DESTINATION AS FAR AS PHOTOS, ENGAGEMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, AT THE PARK IN THE NICE AREA.
THE PAVILION WILL BE SET UP HERE FOR A BIGGER SCENE PARTY.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE PAVILION FOR PHOTOS AND AMBIANCE IS DOWN THERE IN THE PARK.
>> THE PARKS AND REC SAID THE USES OF THE GAZEBO WERE ONE PHOTO, T, HAVING A SHADED REST SPOT ALONG THE TRAIL.
A PLACE TO PICNIC, BUT ALSO PICNIC TABLES THROUGHOUT THE PRESERVE.
IT SAYS HOLIDAY AND SEASONAL GATHERINGS.
THEN I'VE GOTTEN THE IMPRESSION THAT THE SCOUTS AND SOME OTHER YOUTH GROUPS MIGHT MEET THERE ON OCCASION.
REASONS FOR THE GAZEBO. NOW, I'D SAY THIS.
IF WE WERE STARTING FROM SCRATCH, I WOULD BE SAYING, HEY, LET'S DO THE PAVILION FIRST MYSELF.
THE THING IS, I JUST FEEL SAD THAT WE HAD SOMETHING AND THEN IT'S GOING TO BE GONE. I DON'T KNOW.
>> I THINK IT JUST LOOKS BAD ON US.
>> I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR ME IS THAT IT'S HISTORICAL FROM THE 80S.
I WILL ASSURE YOU, 80S PEOPLE ARE NOT HISTORICAL, BUT THE BARN IS, AND I'M NOT SEEING WHAT THAT IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY COST US TO DEAL WITH.
THE BAR, IF I HAD TO PICK SOMETHING TO RENOVATE, IT'S GOING TO BE THE ACTUAL HISTORICAL THING.
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COST TO RENOVATE THE BAR? I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE RENOVATED.
I THINK IT'S TERMITE INVESTED.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT IT WIRED UP TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT.
>> DOES IT HAVE ANY HISTORICAL DESIGNATION?
>> NOT THAT I KNOW OF, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
>> CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE PAVILION, A LONG TIME AGO, WAS A GIFT FROM THE PARKER WOMEN'S CLUB?
>> MAYBE WE CONTACT THE WOMEN'S CLUB TO SEE IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO RENOVATE.
I DON'T KNOW UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS IT WAS DONATED.
WAS THAT BEQUEATHED TO US TO ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO MAINTAIN? I DON'T KNOW THE STIPULATIONS AROUND THAT.
>> ALSO, ANOTHER OPTION THAT I HAVE IS, HEY, WE COULD FUND IT AT 25K, OR JUST HAVE A GENERAL GAZEBO/PAVILION WHERE WE JUST CALL IT PRESERVE UPGRADE AND THEN GO TO THE COUNTY, APPLY FOR A GRANT FOR THE OTHER 25,000.
DOES THE PAVILION HAVE REVENUE-GENERATING POTENTIAL, LIKE A FEE FOR RESERVATION OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT?
>> WELL, SOME OTHER CITIES DO HAVE THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A FEE-PAY RESERVATION SYSTEM, LIKE I DON'T THINK, AND THERE WOULD BE A COST OF BRINGING IT UP THAT PROBABLY WOULD NOT MAKE IT PROFITABLE, I WOULD THINK.
>> BUT THERE HAS BEEN TALK ABOUT A FARMER'S MARKET, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IF WE WENT INTO THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE COULD LOOK INTO.
I THINK WE WENT TO THE PAVILION? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT NOW? I THINK THE PAVILION THAT ORIGINAL 250 GRANT.
THAT WAS THE MATCHING FUNDS FOR WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO REQUEST FROM COLLIN COUNTY?
>> FIFTY PERCENT MATCHING FUND.
[00:55:01]
1.5 ON FARMERS MARKET [INAUDIBLE].>> THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT WAS, WE'RE GUARANTEEING THAT WE HAVE MORE THAN 25 PERCENT, BUT IF THEY'RE ABLE TO FIND SOME WAY TO RAISE $100,000, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO PUT IN 25.
WE'RE JUST GUARANTEEING THAT PARKS HAS THEIR PORTION. YEAH.
>> WELL, ALSO, I HAVE QUESTIONS WITH BEING IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
I DON'T THINK THAT NUMBER INCLUDED DEALING WITH THAT ISSUE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE WERE RESTROOMS IN THAT PLAN AND THEN SOME AMOUNT OF STORAGE.
BUT THEY ARE DEFINITELY, THEY HAVE A WEBSITE, AND THEY HAVEN'T REALLY PROMOTED IT YET, WHERE THEY PLAN ON TAKING DONATIONS.
>> YES. DEPARTMENT OF THE DEPARTMENT HAS SPOKEN THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO A KICKOFF CAMPAIGN TO TRY AND RAISE FUNDS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE FELL INTO THAT PLAN.
I GUESS FOR ME, THIS SEEMS PREMATURE, BUT IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHAT'S THE CYCLE ON THE COUNTY GRANTS?
>> OKAY. I BELIEVE THE DEADLINE IS SOMEWHERE IN MAY-JUNE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE UNTIL NEXT YEAR, WHERE THEY HAVE TO GET THE GRANT IN. I THINK IT'S IN MAY.
>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND THIS MONEY DURING THIS BUDGET CYCLE.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE THERE SO THAT WE CAN SHOW THE COUNTY, HEY, THIS MONEY HAS BEEN SET ASIDE FOR THIS PURPOSE.
>> FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS HAS TO BE KICKED OFF SO WELL OR IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIKE, WE CAN BUILD 100 AND FOR 5,000, AND WE WANT TO GO A BUDGET.
IF WE WANT TO DO THIS, I'VE SEEN CAPITAL CAMPAIGNS FAIL EVEN WITH COUNTY GRANT MONEY.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THEM IN AND MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL HAS CONNECTION TO A MUCH MORE SUBSTANTIAL CONNECTION.
NOW THEY'RE WORKING AS THEIR OWN AGENCY.
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKS AND RIGHT? OKAY. WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, WE'RE IN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE THERE IS.
COLLIN COUNTY, BY THE WAY, INDICATED THAT THIS YEAR, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE LEFTOVER MONEY.
I ASKED THEM SPECIFICALLY, ARE THEY GOING TO WEAR THAT MONEY TO NEXT YEAR'S GRANTS, AND THEY SAID, YES.
THE LIKELIHOOD OF BEING SUCCESSFUL IN A GRANT PROPOSAL NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE RELATIVELY HIGH. [INAUDIBLE]
>> I UNDERSTAND, AND I'M OKAY WITH LEAVING THIS FOR THAT REASON.
IT'S JUST THE LARGER CONVERSATION OF ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT OR COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY ON STAFF GUIDING THEM AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS HAS MORE OVERSIGHT AND THE OPTICS FOR ME GET THE MONEY AND IT TURNS OUT THAT WE DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT OF THINGS, AND WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK AND PEOPLE LIKE GRANT MONEY SITTING THERE WE'RE NOT USING.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE PUBLIC AS OPPOSED TO, IS JUST ANOTHER MASS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN OURSELVES INTO.
>> AS OR NOT GUARANTEED WHATEVER WE PUT IN FOR THE GRANT MONEY.
WE COULD PUT IN FOR AROUND 25 GRANT MONEY, AND THEY CAN SAY, WE GIVE YOU 50, AND YOU STILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE REST.
SHOULD THAT BE THE COST? MAYBE WE PUT IT BACK ON THEM TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN RAISE.
I MEAN, THAT'S ANOTHER WHOLE OPTION THAT THEY HAVEN'T KICKED OFF YET, EITHER.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, WITH BACK WHEN I WAS CHAIR OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, OUR STAFF PERSON WAS LUKE.
I DID HAVE SOMEBODY ANYTIME I HAD ANY THINGS THAT NEEDED CITY STAFF TO WORK ON, I WOULD RUN IT THROUGH HIM.
I THINK ONCE WE HIRE THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR, IT'LL EITHER BE HIM OR SOMEBODY HE DESIGNATES TO RUN WITH IT.
>> WHAT'S EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS ABOUT WHO OFF ON THIS FOR A YEAR AND GOING FOR THE GRANT FOR THE GAZEBO? PAVILION'S SIDE I KEEP GETTING.
SWITCHING IT OUT, HOLDING ON THIS FOR A YEAR AND THEN GOING FOR GRANT MONEY FOR THE GAZEBO.
[01:00:05]
>> DO WE BUDGET 25 FOR THE GAZEBO OR BUDGET 50 FOR THE GAZEBO JUST IN CASE THE GRANT DOESN'T GO THROUGH?
>> I SEE BUDGETING THE 50 AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN GET BECAUSE WE WILL SHOW THAT MONEY WILL BE BUDGETED THERE FOR WHATEVER WE CAN GO.
GO FOR 50 FOR THE GRANT, AND IF IT DOESN'T COME THROUGH, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE THE FUNDS THERE, SHOULD WE NOT GET ANY FUNDING? I HAVE HEARD BORN SPENDING AND BUILDING A PAVILION BEFORE A NEW CITY HALL.
>> WELL, I ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, AND YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AT A LATER DATE, IF YOU DECIDE TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT FROM THE COUNTY AT THAT POINT, YOU COULD TAKE A BUDGET AMENDMENT, PRESENT A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO COUNSEL AT THAT TIME, AND COUNCIL COULD ALLOCATE THOSE DOLLARS APPLIED FOR INSTEAD OF DOING TODAY, AND THEN WE MIGHT NOT APPLY FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR BUT IT'S COMING UP.
RATHER THAN BUDGETING THAT MONEY AND NOT USING IT AND THEN HAVING TO COME BACK ON THAT CONVERSATION FOR NEXT YEAR, IT CO JUST BE DONE AT THE TIME OF THE APPLICATION.
>> IF WE COULD THAT THOUGH, WHERE WOULD THAT MONEY COME FROM?
>> AT THAT TIME, IT WOULD JUST COME OUT OF FUND BALANCE, WHICH WE DO HAVE A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE IN THE GENERAL FUND, BECAUSE HERE WE'VE GOT AN ESTIMATED FUND BALANCE OF $94 MILLION.
WE'VE GOT REALLY HEALTHY RESERVES IN THE GENERAL FUND OF $125,000 AT THAT TIME, SOMETHING, ESPECIALLY ON ONE-TIME EXPENSES, AS I RECALL. [INAUDIBLE]
>> ACTUALLY, WE COULD GET THAT THING BUILT AND THEN INVITE EVERYBODY TO CHEER CITY HALL AT THE SAME TIME.
>> NO OR WE COULD CONSIDER PUTTING IT ON THE SAME BOND THAT WE PUT THE CITY ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON.
IT MIGHT NOT BE A 50-YEAR ASSET, THE WAY THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE, BUT IT'S AT LEAST A 20-YEAR ASSET.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE VEHICLE TO PUT IT ON WHY YOU WOULDN'T DO IT THAT WAY? IT'S LOWER COST OVERALL.
>> WELL, THE ORIGINAL BOND PROPOSAL THAT WENT OUT TO VOTE.
I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS STILL IN THERE, BUT AMONG THE DISCUSSION, THERE WAS A MEETING ROOM FOR THE CITY, FOR PARKS AND REC TO HOLD EVENTS OR WHOEVER TO HOLD EVENTS IN.
IT WASN'T VERY BIG OR EXPENSIVE OR ANYTHING, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF NEGATIVITY AROUND THAT AT THE TIME.
ALTHOUGH I WAS PERSONALLY FOR IT, JUST LET ME KNOW SOME HISTORY THERE.
OKAY. ALSO THIS, AS LONG AS COUNSEL IS SERIOUS ABOUT REVISITING IT IN THE SPRING, I'M FINE WITH US JUST HOLDING OFF FOR NOW.
>> BUT YOU WANT THE 50,000 RIGHT NOW? OR [INAUDIBLE].
>> LET'S CLOSE THIS ISSUE ONE AT A TIME IF YOU WANT GRANT, I'M COMMITTED TO BRINGING IT BACK ON TOPIC IN SPRING.
>> GRANT ASKING, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BOTH LINE ITEMS HERE?
>> I THINK THE SAME FOR BOTH IS WHAT I'M HEARING.
>> NEWS TO ME, BUT I'M ALSO OKAY WITH IT.
>> SO THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I REALLY HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE TO SAY ABOUT IT OTHER THAN I THINK THAT ONCE WE HAVE OUR CITY ADMINISTRATOR IN THE POSITION OF FILL, I THINK THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME BECAUSE I FEEL THAT WHATEVER CITY ADMINISTRATOR COMES IN IS GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN I GUESS ABILITIES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO JOB SET THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO JOB SKILLS.
REALLY UNTIL WE GET THAT CITY ADMINISTRATOR HI, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE KNOW FOR SURE WHAT WE WOULD NEED THIS POSITION TO DO IF WE HIRED CITY ADMINISTRATOR, MAYBE LOOK UP THE ARMY SOME OTHER ITEM, WE MIGHT NOT NEED THAT POSITION, BUT I THINK THAT I THINK THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR PROBABLY BE INVOLVED WITH DEFINING THAT PERSON'S SKILLS.
[01:05:07]
>> I THINK WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR SOME TYPE OF CROSS-TRAINING [INAUDIBLE].
I AGREE WITH YOU AS FAR AS THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR [INAUDIBLE], AND THIS IS FOR CLARIFICATION, NOT THE SAME ONE THAT WE UNFROZE.
THAT POSITION NOW, [INAUDIBLE].
IT WAS I GUESS IN THE MEANTIME, WAS IT WAS THE ITEMS IN THE LINE ITEMS THAT WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS, AGAIN OR WAS EVERYONE PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THE LINE ITEMS? I DID PUT A PLACEHOLDER IN FOR A RETREAT.
YES, SIR. THIS IS A PLACEHOLDER.
YOU GET A NUMBER, BUT YOU CAN CHANGE IT INTO TWO.
>> I'VE NEVER HEARD [INAUDIBLE].
>> I THINK ALL MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED AT OUR PREVIOUS BUDGET SESSION.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE FUNDING OPTION 1 FOR THREE FULL-TIME FIRE FIGHTERS, OPTION 3 FOR THE PATROL OFFICERS ON TWO PATROL OFFICERS, BY THE TRAILER FOR DISK-USER, AND THE MAINTENANCE WORK FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS, FUNDING FOR PARKER FEST, THE HOLIDAY LEARNING, AND AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT IN ADMIN GRANT TOTAL OF $780,018.
THAT FALLS WITHIN THE SURPLUS OF FUNDS THAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR.
I GUESS THAT ALSO RAISES A QUESTION OF WHAT TO DO WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
WOULD WE WANT TO PUT THE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS INTO THE TRANSFER TO THE CAPITAL PROJECT, THE STREETS, TO SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE? THAT'S GOING TO BE $96,930.
>> CAN YOU HAVE ANY UPDATE ON PRICING FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING?
>> IS IT MUCH LOWER THAN THE FOUR, SOMETHING?
>> YEAH. BUT WE SHOULD PROBABLY SIT DOWN AND GO OVER IT BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED.
I DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE I'M TRYING TO MANIPULATE NUMBERS TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER.
>> DO WE JUST NEED TO SAY THAT IT GOES TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS?
>> I'LL MAKE SPECIFIC, WE END UP IS THESE TRANSFERS HERE RIGHT NOW THE HEADACHE.
RIGHT NOW WE'VE TRANSFERRED 400,000, SO REPLACEMENT, 150 TO TECHNOLOGY.
THAT NUMBER OF PARTIAL THAT BE 15,000 STREET CONSTRUCTION AND DRAINAGE FACILITIES.
I WOULD BE SPECIFIC ON WHICH ONE OF THOSE WHICH ONE YOU'RE GOING INTO.
>> I PERSONALLY SUGGEST FACILITIES.
>> SO YOU THINK IT NEEDED MORE CAPITAL OPERATION?
>> I THINK WE HAVE A SUFFICIENT FUND BALANCE FOR OPERATIONS.
JUST IN MY OPINION, I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY OKAY WITH OPERATIONS AND HAVING FUND DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE.
I BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE MARKING FOR CAPITAL PROJECT PUBLICLY IS A GOOD VIEW.
FACILITIES BY MILES YOU CAN USE FOR MORE THAN JUST [INAUDIBLE].
[01:10:09]
>> IT WOULD REQUIRE A BUDGET AMENDMENT, SO IT WOULD BE REQUIRE COUNSEL AS WE HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND REMOVE IT FROM WHATEVER.
>> THERE'S A QUESTION. I'LL MAKE THESE ADJUSTMENTS AND I GUESS WE MAYBE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE TAX RATE ALSO BECAUSE WE'LL BE VOTING ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE.
I'M GIVE YOU A LITTLE HEADS UP ON WHAT'S GOING TO BE VOTED ON HERE DURING THE REGULAR AGENDA.
RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT PROJECT THAT WE HAVE HAS BEEN BUILT ON THE CURRENT TAX RATE THAT WE HAVE UP NOW, WHICH IS THE 314439.
THAT'S WHAT I'M EARMARKED TO HAVE TO VOTE ON PROPOSED TAX RATE TONIGHT.
AND I WAS TELLING MR. FIELD MURDER, THAT THAT'S REALLY TAXING.
SO WHENEVER YOU VOTE ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE TONIGHT, LATER DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE THE BUDGET TAX RATE IS PASSED, THAT NUMBER CAN ALWAYS BE MOVED DOWN.
IT CAN BE INCREASED, BUT IT CAN BE MOVED DOWN.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE 3104 GEN NINE IS LESS THAN THE [INAUDIBLE] RATE.
SO I A VERY GOOD POSITION WITH THAT RATE.
[INAUDIBLE] I WILL TAKE ON THAT.
THE NUMBER SEVEN [INAUDIBLE] SO WILL BE A HIGHEST POSSIBLE WILL HAVE TO BE APPROVE [INAUDIBLE].
>> THIS WILL BE APPROVED BY [INAUDIBLE].
>> I SUPPOSE THE MOSTLY CONCERNED WITH WHY YOU WOULD RAISE THE TAX CEILING.
I ASSUME THAT THE PURPOSE IN DOING SO IS TO [INAUDIBLE] THAN RATHER TO.
SHOULD YOU HAVE A FUND SHORTFALL OR OTHER REASON ENDANGER THE FINANCIAL WELFARE OF THE CITY'S ACCOUNTS?
[ADJOURN]
>> THE TIME IS 6 [INAUDIBLE] AND WE WILL [INAUDIBLE] 7:00
[CALL TO ORDER]
P.M. [INAUDIBLE].MR. MAYOR, WE HAVE A [INAUDIBLE].
I STUD THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLICANS NATION UNDER INDIVISIBLE JUSTICE.
WHAT? LET'S TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. PUBLIC.
[PUBLIC COMMENTS ]
[01:15:10]
THERE ARE A FEW ITEMS I'M BEGINNING TO NOTICE SUSPICIOUS.
WITH ONE ITEM NOT IDENTIFIED A ETJ, BUT A CITY ORDINANCE VIOLATION.
SO LET'S ADDRESS THESE CURRENT PROBLEMS NOW.
THERE IS ANOTHER TWO ACRE LOT THAT HAS NOT BEEN RESPONSIBLY MAINTAINED BY A NEW PROPERTY OWNER WHO LIVES OUTSIDE OF PARKER, AND A SIGN OF HIGH GRASS HAS NOT BEEN CUT.
THERE HAS BEEN NO SIGN OF ANY LAND SERVICES AND NO ONE TODAY HAS MOVED THE PROPERTY IN WHICH MY FAMILY USED TO OWN, WHICH IS SOLD TO SOMEONE ELSE.
A VIOLATION NEEDS TO BE CITED ON THAT VACANT LOT AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THAT NOW.
AND FOR THE SECOND ITEM OF CONCERN WITH THE ADDRESS TO THE LAWSUIT ABOUT THE WASTEWATER PLANT THERE ARE RESIDENTS, ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT GREGORY LANE ROAD.
THE STATUS OF THE PRIVATE ROAD OR IS IT A PUBLIC ROAD? I'VE SENT A PHOTOGRAPHIC PIECE OF EVIDENCE IS POSTED ON THE STOPS PROJECT PAGE.
DOES DON HAINES AND JOHN COX BEFORE VIOLATING OUR TRAFFIC LAWS TOO.
THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IS IN QUESTION AND OPENING MORE QUESTIONS BY RESIDENTS AFTER THE HEATED CONVERSATION BETWEEN TWO MENTIONED PEOPLE THAT WILL BE MENTIONED ON A SECOND PAGE THAT I WAS SENT BY EMAIL TO THE CITY SECRETARY, LET ALL THE PEOPLE INVOLVED ON THE PROJECT HIDING FROM US AND FROM CITY COUNCIL AND FROM ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IN QUESTION WITH MORE INVESTIGATION NEEDED TO HELP RELEVANTLY CLARIFY THIS CURRENT MATTER.
THERE IS AN EXPANDED VERSION OF MY THREE MINUTE COMMENT.
I'VE SENT A COPY TO THE EXPANDED VERSION OVER TO THE CITY SECRETARY.
>> I WOULD JUST COMMENT ON YOUR FIRST ITEM.
PLEASE REPORT THAT THROUGH OUR WEBSITE.
CODE VIOLATIONS CAN BE REPORTED THROUGH OUR WEBSITE AND OR GIVE THE APPROPRIATE STAFF FEE IF YOU DO THAT. THANK YOU.
>>THANK YOU [INAUDIBLE] FOR SECRET TENTH,
[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]
SEPTEMBER 1 THROUGH THE 30TH, PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION IS MEETING WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 10TH, 5:00 P.M.THE BUDGET, TAX RATE MEETING UPDATE IS THE FALL NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 7, 2025 6:00 P.M. TO 9:00 P.M. WE'RE CAN THE OCTOBER 7, 2025 THE [INAUDIBLE] CITY COUNCIL MEETING DUE TO NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.
OCTOBER 21, 2025, WE HAVE THE RS CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THE GENERAL ELECTION FOR A VOTE PART OF DS 2025.
SUNDAY, OCTOBER 19, FROM 3:00 P.M. TO 6:00 P.M. 01 TO TEN, FROM YOUR BRICKS NATIONAL PRESCRIPTION BIRTHDAY SATURDAY, OCTOBER 25, 10:00 A.M. TO 2:00 P.M.
>> WE FIVE PEANUT BUTTER DRIVE.
WHAT ARE WE COLLECTING THAT HERE OR ARE WE JUST ENCOURAGING PEOPLE OR WHAT IS THAT?
[CONSENT AGENDA]
THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA SEC.>> [INAUDIBLE] CONSISTS OF MINUTES FOR JULY 11,
[01:20:03]
MINUTE FOR JULY 15, MINUTES JULY 27, AND CONSIDERING PROSE ACTION BY ORDINANCE 895, APPROVING A [INAUDIBLE] SETTLEMENT BETWEEN AMOS CS CARING COMMITTEE OF THE CITY OF PARKER AND [INAUDIBLE] REGARDING THE COMPANY'S 2025 REVIEW MECHANISM FILING WITH DOCTOR CARIS FOR [INAUDIBLE].WE CAN ALSO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM ATMOS IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ASSENT.
ALL IN FAVOR OF CONSENT AGENDA.
I SAY AYE? [INAUDIBLE] SO WE HAVE TIME ZERO ASKING THE CONSENT AGENDA.
NOW WILL MOVE TO THE INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEMS.
[7. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2025-854 SETTING A PROPOSED TAX RATE; AND APPROVING DATES, TIMES; AND A LOCATION FOR ONE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED FY 2025-2026 BUDGET AND TAX RATE, AND A DATE FOR THE VOTE ON THE ADOPTION OF THE 2025-2026 BUDGET AND APPROVAL OF A TAX RATE.]
BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS OUR BUDGET PART.ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS CONSIDERATION OF REGULATION 2025 D854, SETTING THE PROPOSED TAX RATE AND APPROVING THE DAY SOME TIMES FOR THE LOCATION OF PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX RATE JUST SO THAT CLEAR EVERYONE.
THIS IS NOT SETTING THE TAX RATE.
THIS IS SETTING THE PROPOSED HIGHEST TAX RATE YOU HAVE IN AND ITS THE PUBLIC HEARING.
PUBLIC HEARING DATE WOULD BE SEPTEMBER THE NINTH AT 7:00 PM.
SO THIS IS JUST TO ESTABLISH THE SEPTEMBER 9 HEARING DATE TO ESTABLISH THE HIGHEST PROPOSED TAX RATE, WHICH WOULD BE 0.3104939.
125 WAS HIGHER THAN 2025 REVENUE TAX 299367 COVERED EVERYTHING TO DISCUSS THIS? I THINK YOU COVERED EVERYTHING.
I WAS POINTED OUT THAT WAS THE HIGHEST TAX RATE THAT COULD BE APPROVED, AND A FILE TAX RATE AT WHICH THIS NUMBER OR LOWER ON SEPTEMBER 9.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU INTERESTED, YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO LISTEN TO [INAUDIBLE].
>> IN COMMENTS [INAUDIBLE] TERMS REMARKS, IT'S THE HIGHEST WE CAN RAISE THE TAX RATE AND REPRESENTS A SAFETY NET SHOULD WE HAVE A REVENUE OR OTHER FORM OF SHORTFALL THAT WE COULD RAISE THE TAXES UP TO, BUT IT IS NOT AN OBLIGATION OR A COMMITMENT TO DO SO.
SO WE COULD RAISE THE TAX RATE ALL THE WAY TO THE DOMINUS RATE.
THE DOMINUS RATE IS THE HIGHEST RATE WE COULD POSSIBLY A WITHOUT ELECTION.
THIS IS, IN FACT, BELOW THE DOMINUS RATE.
THE DOMINUS RATE IS ACTUALLY CALCULATED AT 0.32 0950.
SO THIS IS LITTLE OVER $0.01 LESS THAN THE DOMINUS RATE.
THIS IS THE CURRENT TAX RATE THAT WE HAVE IN THE 24, 25 RIGHT NOW.
MY TAXI. SO THE DOMINUS RATE, I'VE GOT A DEFINITION HERE.
IS THE TAX RATE CALCULATION DESIGNED TO GET SMALLER TAXING UNITS, WHICH IS CITIES WITH POPULATION UNDER 30,000, THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADOPT THE TAX RATE THAT GENERATES 500,000 MORE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE THAN THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
APPLYING THE 3.5% O APPROVAL RATE, THE SMALL IT RESTRICTS REVENUE GROWTH TO A NOMINAL AMOUNT, AND APPLICATION OF THE LOWER VOTER APPROVAL RATE CREATED UNFAIR RESULTS FOR SMALL TOWNS.
SO THIS IS ONLY AVAILABLE FOR TOWNS UNDER 30,000.
[01:25:03]
IT OUT THAT I INITIALLY TRAIN WAY THE LAST.>> SO PEOPLE ALL THIS [INAUDIBLE] MOTION TO APPROVE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2020.
CONSIDERATION AND APPROPRIATE ACTION ON [INAUDIBLE] MOTION TO APPROVE MOTION TO APPROVE RELOCATION FOR PUBLIC HEARING PROPOSE FY 2025, 2026 BUDGET, AND TAX RATE AND THE DATE FOR THE VOTE ON THE ADOPTION OF THE 2025, 2026 BUDGET APPROVAL OF A TAX RATE.
SECRETARY YOU COULD THAT TO ME BEFORE I FINISH READING THE OTHER.
I'M MAKING A MOTION TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 202-05-8504 TO ADOPT A PROPOSED TAX RATE OF 0.3 0439 FOR FY 2025 26, WHICH IS HIGHER THAN THE FY 2025 26, NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE OF 2.2 9967 AND CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED FY 2025, 2026 BUDGET, AND TAX RATE WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 9, 2025 AT 7:00 P.M. FURTHER, THE RECORD VOTE ON THE BUDGET AND THE TAX RATE ADOPTION WILL ALSO BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 9, 2025 AT 7:00 P.M. ALL MEETINGS WILL BE HELD AT PARKER CITY HALL, COUNCIL CHAMBERS 5,700 EAST PARKER ROAD, PARKER TEXAS S5002.
[8. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2025–855 PROVIDING FOR AMENDMENT OF THE JAIL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF PARKER AND COLLIN COUNTY.]
A. A. CONSIDER.JUST SAY THANK YOU TO THE [INAUDIBLE] FOR BEING [INAUDIBLE] INFORMATION FOR US TO CONSIDER AS WE MOVE TOWARD OUR BUDGET [INAUDIBLE].
>> I NUMBER EIGHT CONSIDERATION AND INAPPROPRIATE ACTION [INAUDIBLE] 2025-855, PROVIDED AN AMENDMENT, THE JAIL SERVICES AGREEMENT FROM THE CITY OF PARK [INAUDIBLE] ON THIS MATTER.
>> SO THE POLICE CHIEF SPEAK FIRST.
>>SO THIS IS THE ANNUAL INCREASE IN THE JAIL COST FOR THEM TO HOUSE AT COLLIN COUNTY.
COLLIN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE SECONDARY JAIL.
SO THIS IS JUST A BACK BRANCH BY [INAUDIBLE] OR WE HAD ONE THAT THEY DID NOT TAKE THEY NEED [INAUDIBLE].
>>TIME I BELIEVE IT'S NIGHTLY LATE LIKE 01:52.
[01:30:03]
HOW'S THAT COMPARE WITH THE THE CURRENT ARRANGEMENT WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE]?>>I DON'T [INAUDIBLE] KNOW WHAT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] I BELIEVE I SAW IN THE PACKET WAS 125.
DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? HISTORICALLY.
>>HOW MANY NIGHTS A YEAR DO YOU LEVERAGE FROM COLLIN COUNTY? [INAUDIBLE] I'M OKAY WITH VERY FEW OR SOME.
SO MOTION BY MOTION THAT WE VOTE ON RESOLUTION 2025 85?
>>SEE FIVE. SO MARGIN APPROVED AVAIL NUMBER 5885.
[9. RECEIVE A REPORT FROM THE CITY SECRETARY ON THE CITY'S RECORDS MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.]
>>THE REPORT FROM THE C SECRETARY RECORDS, IT WAS REALLY JUST FOR APPROVAL, BUT I CAN RUN THROUGH IT QUICKLY IF YOU ME THROUGH.
THIS IS OUR FIRST GO ROUND FOR THE ANNUAL REPORT.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR THE FUTURE OR WHATEVER, IF YOU'LL SHOOT ME AN E MAIL AND WE'LL INCLUDE THOSE.
BUT I JUST BRIEFLY HAD A REPORT AND WE WENT AHEAD AND WENT FROM THE INCEPTION OF THE PROJECT, WHICH PAGE THREE, A BRIEF HISTORY OF IT, AND THEY PASSED ORDINANCE NUMBER THREE THIRTY FIVE AND ONE.
I WENT AHEAD AND HYPER LINKED IN THE REPORT JUST SO COULD QUICKLY SEE IT AND NOT ADD PAGES TO THE REPORT.
AND THEN ON DOWN, WE HAD WHERE IT WAS ACTUALLY CODIFIED IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND THAT'S THAT SECOND HYPERLINK THEN FURTHER DOWN MORE RECENTLY ON JULY 1ST OF 2025, WE WENT AHEAD AND APPROVED WE'VE BEEN BY THE SCHEDULES, BUT WE ACTUALLY ADOPTED THE SCHEDULES, AND [INAUDIBLE] EACH ONE OF THOSE JUST SO [INAUDIBLE] VERY QUICKLY EASY IN THE REPORT.
THEN ALSO, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO IDENTIFY THE CUSTODIANS AND [INAUDIBLE] THE CUSTODIANS, BUT WE LISTED THE CUSTODIANS JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS FOR THOSE DIFFERENT SECTIONS WHO ACTUALLY GETS THOSE RECORDS TOGETHER OR WHATEVER.
I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE FOR ALL TO KNOW WHICH BUILDINGS THAT THE RECORDS WERE PUT IN.
WE USED TO HAVE THE ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS AND MINUTES INSIDE THIS BUILDING THAT WE'VE HAD TO USE THOSE SPACES FOR OFFICES.
THEY HAVE BEEN PUT INTO THE OTHER BUILDINGS, AND I THINK FROM THE PICTURE ALL CAN TELL THE FIRST PICTURE IS THE ONE TO THE SOUTH AND THEN THE SECOND FACILITY IS AT THE END OF THE DRIVE.
AND THEN I ALSO A RAY OUT SO YOU CAN GET A GENERAL IDEA OF AT EQUIPMENT WHERE THOSE FILE CABINETS ACTUALLY, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING AND THERE'S SOME EQUIPMENT FOR STORAGE AND THEN BINS AND RESOLUTIONS FILE CABINETS ALONG THE BACK.
THOSE WERE FIREPROOF CABINETS.
AND AT SOME POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO SEE IF WE COULD GET THOSE REPLACED OR MAKE SURE BUT THEY ARE STILL FIREPROOF BECAUSE WHEN I GOT HERE, THE KEYS WERE PUNCHED OUT OF THEM AND THEY DON'T HAVE THEY'RE NOT LOCKED ANYMORE.
SO I WOULD THEY WERE FIREPROOF CABINETS, BUT I GUESS THEY LOST THE KEYS BEFORE I GOT HERE.
[01:35:03]
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT AT SOME POINT.SO I'M NOT SURE HOW FIREPROOF THOSE ARE.
BUT THEN THE SECOND FACILITY IS IN THE PUBLIC RES BUILDING AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN THE BACK PART OF THE BUILDING.
AND I JUST PUT A LAY OUT OF THE PERMANENT RECORDS IN THE STAGING AREA AND TOOK SOME PICTURES OF.
AT THE TOP, THOSE YELLOW TAG THINGS ARE PERMANENT RECORDS, SO THERE AT THE TOP AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE MOVED AROUND AS MUCH.
WE HAVE THEM ON THE VERY TOP AND THEN WE ROTATE THE BOXES THE SHELVES AND THEN THEY MOVED TO THE STAGING AREA, WHICH IS THE NEXT PAGE AT THE TOP, AND THEY'RE GETTING STAGE BEFORE WE GO THROUGH AND YOU'LL SEE THE COPY OF THE SHEET ON THE OUTSIDE IDENTIFIES WHAT'S IN THE BOXES AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DESTROYED.
AND AS WE GO THROUGH EACH YEAR OR A LOT OF TIMES TWICE A YEAR TO SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED BEFORE WE CALL THE TRIP FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THE RECORDS OR WHATEVER, AND THEY IDENTIFIED ON THE FRONT OF THE BOX.
I JUST GAVE YOU A BRIEF EXAMPLE OF ONE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE AND IT SHOWS IN BRIGHT RED.
WE PUT ONE OF THE SHEETS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, ONE SHEET ON THE INSIDE OF THE BOX JUST IN CASE OF SOME DAMAGE TO THE BOX.
THEN ALSO WHAT'S INSIDE THE BOX, WE ALSO LIST WHAT'S INSIDE THE BOX BECAUSE THIS EXAMPLE THAT I GAVE YOU HERE IS ACTUALLY A BUILDING PERMITS AND SOMETIMES WE GET PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FOR THESE.
WE GO OUT TO THE BUILDING, WE PUT A BRIGHT COLORED CARD IN THE PLACE OF THE RECORD, PUT THE RECORD, COME UP AND COPY IT OR MAKE SURE THAT THE RECORDS REQUEST IS HANDLED, AND THEN WE GO BACK AND PUT THE RECORD BACK IN, PULL IN THE CARD BACK OUT, WE TRY TO KEEP TRACK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND WE PUT THE RECORDS BACK IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
THEN I ALSO LISTED OUR SHREDDING SERVICES AND SOME OF THE THE THINGS THAT THEY GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THEIR SERVICES ARE GOOD AND SOME OF THE CORE COMPETENCIES.
ALSO A EACH TIME THAT WE HAVE THE RECORDS DESTROYED, THEY GIVE US THE CERTIFICATE OF DESTRUCTION.
AND THEN ALSO A PICTURE OF ONE OF THE TIMES THAT THEY CAME OUT OF WHAT THE ACTUAL TRUCK LOOKS LIKE AND WHEN I'M FINISHED, I REALLY LIKE TO THANK A LOT OF THE STAFF, OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A TEAM EFFORT.
I COULDN'T DO THIS WITHOUT EACH ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS DOING THEIR PART.
AND THEN PUBLIC WORKS A LOT OF TIMES HELPS A LOT WITH US MOVING THE BOXES AROUND AND EVERYTHING.
AND ALSO, I WANT TO SAY THANKS TO TOO BECAUSE OUR FIRST BUILDING WAS AIR CONDITIONING AND AIR CONDITIONED AND OUR RECORDS WERE NOT CLIMATE CONTROLLED.
AND HE HAS NOW MADE SURE THAT THE AIR CONDITIONING IS WORKING, SO THAT IS VERY HELPFUL TO HELP WITH OUR PERMANENT RECORDS, SO THEY WON'T DETERIORATE ANY WORSE THAN THEY NEED TO.
THEN I JUST LISTED A FEW FUTURE PLANS AND THAT WAS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
IT WAS A GOOD START TO TRY TO GET US GOING ANYWAY? [INAUDIBLE] I THINK MOST OF STAFF WOULD SAY THAT IT'S GOTTEN BETTER.
WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, THERE WAS JUST BOXES AND BOXES AND BOXES AND THEY WEREN'T LABELED PROPERLY, AND WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH TO CLEAN UP AND GET CAUGHT UP.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE LABELS ON THEM PROPERLY.
AND AS YOU SEE, I THINK IT LOOKS A LOT NEATER THAN IT USED TO LOOK.
BUT I THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO GET IT BACK ON TRACK AND TRYING TO FOLLOW THE SCHEDULES.
>>WE PULL A SIX FOOT SNAKE OUT OF ONE OF THOSE RINGS AND THERE'S RODENTS. YEAH.
[01:40:01]
>>IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PICTURES, YOU CAN SEE IT, BUT GO IN THERE AND CLEAN EVER SO OFTEN, AND WE TRY TO NOT TAKE PICTURES OF THAT.
>>WE DON'T HAVE A SNAKE PROBLEM AS LONG AS WE'RE RODENTS.
WHAT'S THE YEAR OVER YEAR GROWTH IN TERMS OF FLOOR SPACE THAT WE NEED FOR THE RECORDS?
WE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS REALLY STARTED TO GET IT UNDER CONTROL BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE PREVIOUSLY, THEY WE'RE NOT GOING BY THE SCHEDULES.
THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY NEEDED TAB THE RECORDS BACK THERE TO PULL, BUT YOU HAVE TO MANAGE THEM.
THIS IS THE REASON WHY THE TEXAS LIBRARY ARCHIVES HAS ASKED OR SETS THESE SCHEDULES.
BUT I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE ALL IN PLACE.
I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE A CLIMATE CONTROLLED AREA.
I KNOW IN THE NEW FACILITY THAT WE HAD SPACE FOR THIS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT AT THE MOMENT.
>>I WAS AN ESTIMATED BASED ON CURRENT GROSS RATE TRAJECTORY THAT I MEAN, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE A FINE SCIENCE OF HOW MUCH PAPER THE CITY IS GOING TO GENERATE, BUT BASED ON YOUR BEST ESTIMATE, HOW MANY YEARS DO WE HAVE LEFT IN OUR CURRENT STORAGE ENVIRONMENTS?
>>WE MAX, NOW, I WOULD SAY THE MORE MEETINGS WE HAVE, THE MORE MINUTES WE HAVE, THE MORE RESOLUTIONS WE HAVE, THE MORE ORDINANCES.
I KNOW I'M NOT EXACTLY ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW MANY MEETINGS, HOW MANY ORDINANCES, HOW MANY RESOLUTIONS, BUT WE HAD THE INSIDE THE BUILDING AND WE'VE HAD TO SHIFT THEM TO OUTSIDE.
WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THEM, BUT WE'RE AT MAX AND WE'RE TRYING TO SEE SOME SPACE THERE, BUT THE WE HAVEN'T TAKEN THE NEW BOXES FOR THIS YEAR OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LEAVE THE BOXES INSIDE THE AUDITORS ARE FINISHING UP AND PEOPLE CONTINUE TO USE THEM.
THEN WE'LL SHIFT THOSE BOXES DOWN AND THERE WILL BE A SHIFT OF EVERYTHING.
THE BOXES THAT ARE OLDER CAN GO INTO THE STAGING AREA AND THEN WE CALL SO IT'S KIND OF A SHIFT.
AS WE GO, WE'RE GOING TO BE ORDINANCES, RESOLUTIONS, MINUTES, AND THEN PERMANENT YOU SAW SOME OF THE BOXES FROM PD AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, SOME OF THE FINANCE RECORDS AND PERSONNEL RECORDS ARE PERMANENT FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS.
WE DO HAVE A LOT OF IT ON DIGITAL AND THAT'S WHAT HELPS ME ANSWER A LOT OF THE RECORDS REQUEST.
BUT THAT IS PART OF THE VERY END THING THAT I WANT TO GET TO, WHICH IS WITH THOSE SCHEDULES, THOSE RETENTION SCHEDULES, WE ALSO NEED TO BE DOING THE ELECTRONIC.
WE HAVE NOT GOT TO SOME OF THE ELECTRONIC, IN ORDER TO TRY TO GET THE BOXES UNDER [INAUDIBLE] AND GET THOSE MANAGEABLE, BUT AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO COME BACK AROUND AND START WORKING ON GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE SCAM THAT BUT THE YEARS HAVE ELAPSED, AND WE NEED TO START WORKING ON THAT AREA
>> YEAH IT WAS A LOT OF WORK TO GET CONTROL OF LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A STAFF EFFORT IT'S NOT ME, IT'S TEAMWORK AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE HELP.
>>I HAVE A QUESTIONS [INAUDIBLE] WHEN WE LAST DISCUSSED THE PUBLIC WORK [INAUDIBLE] OF THAT BUILDING RETENTION [INAUDIBLE].
>> ONCE WE GET THAT BUILDING [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COMPLETELY VACATE THAT BUILDING IF WE HAD A NEW BUILDING.
I DO BELIEVE THAT WOULD OPEN UP SOME MORE AIR CONDITIONED SPACE FOR RECORD STORES.
BUT IF WE EVER GET A NEW CITY HALL, THAT BUILDING'S GOT TO GO AWAY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY PLAN A PUT IT.
>> THAT BUILDING ALSO [INAUDIBLE] WE HAVE TO GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT.
[01:45:01]
>> WE HAVE TO ELEVATE IT ON [INAUDIBLE] ANYWAY.
>> ONE OTHER QUESTION. [INAUDIBLE] QUESTION ABOUT STORING IN THE WORKS BUILDING, IS IT POSSIBLE TO CONTRACT FOR ANY EXTERNAL PROVIDER TO DO TEMPORARY STORAGE?
>> I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST AND IT'S BEST IF IT IS ON SITE AND I KNOW THEY'VE PROVIDED FOR CERTAIN AREAS IN THE BUILDING, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
>> UNDERSTOOD, BUT I WAS JUST THINKING TEMPORARILY IF WE STARTED PUTTING DOCUMENTS IN THE WORKS BUILDING, THEN WE'D HAVE TO TAKE THEM OUT IF WE WERE TO DEMOLISH IT PER ELECT CHIEF PRICE AREA.
>> WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TEMPORARILY.
>> BUT FOR RECORDS REQUESTS AND FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE RECORDS, IT IS BETTER IF THEY'RE ON SITE.
>> I DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE STATE LIBRARY'S REQUIREMENTS COMMITTED TO MEMORY, I DO THINK THERE ARE SOME DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE ORIGINALS OF, BUT FOR MOST OF THEM, I THINK THEY WOULD BE REPLACED WITH DIGITAL.
>> THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY I'VE BEEN ABLE TO MANAGE ME BY MYSELF IS I SCAN AS I GO AND MAKE IT ELECTRONIC AS WE GO.
>> JUST THAT IF YOU WERE GOING TO GO BACK AND SCAN EVERYTHING IN, THE DIFFICULT THING ABOUT THAT IS USUALLY CONSTRUCTING HOW THOSE ARE MAINTAINED DIGITALLY TO BE ABLE TO FIND THEM, BUT THERE ARE SERVICES THAT DO THAT.
>> THANK YOU. IF WE GET A SERVICE, THAT COULD HELP US WITH THE CONSTRUCTION.
I THINK IT`S A LITTLE FANTASTIC VENTURE PROGRAM FOR IMPRESSING NEW HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS.
>> SOME OF IT IS CONFIDENTIAL.
>> WE DON'T HAVE FUTURE PLANS.
ONCE THEY'RE FINISHED, WE CAN GET RID OF THE PLAN.
[10. CONSIDER RESOLUTION NO. 2025–856 ADOPTING MODIFIED GUIDELINES FOR THE NEWSLETTER AND APPOINTING A MEMBER TO SERVE ON THE NEWSLETTER COMMITTEE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE 2024-2026 TERM.]
>> DO WE KNOW WHAT THE DUTIES OF THAT COUNCIL PERSON IS PER SAY?
>> BUT I'M WONDERING SHE WASN'T THE ONLY INNOCENT PERSON.
>> IT'S THE MAYOR, THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR, AND THE CITY SECRETARY.
>> PATTY, HOW OFTEN DO MRS. ME AND WHAT DOES THE COUNCIL PERSON DO?
AMANDA, NOW, I THINK SHE PUT OUT MAYBE ONE LAST ELECTRONIC ONE PREVIOUSLY TO THAT.
IT HAD BEEN A WHILE SINCE IT HAD BEEN SENT OUT AND I THINK THE LAST PERSON WAS SEMI MAYOR AND SHE ACTUALLY GOT THE DIFFERENT ARTICLES TOGETHER AND ACTUALLY PUT IT TOGETHER IN A NEWSLETTER AND WE MAILED IT OUT.
BUT PREVIOUSLY TO THAT, I DID IT FOR SEVERAL YEARS WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE.
BUT I JUST GOT SO MUCH THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER HAD STARTED DOING IT.
NOW, I THINK THAT THE MAYOR HAS
[01:50:02]
DIFFERENT IDEAS WITH IT BEING ELECTRONIC AND NOT IN PAPER FORM.WE WOULD STILL PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE AND WE WOULD HAVE COPIES AVAILABLE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT THE MAYOR SAID.
>> FOR CONTEXT, I THINK EARLIER THIS YEAR, POSSIBLY TOWARDS THE END OF LAST CALENDAR YEAR, THERE WAS AN ITEM TO CONSIDER ABOLISHING THE NEWSLETTER COMMITTEE AND BECAUSE IT WASN'T BEING UTILIZED AND EVERYTHING HAS BECOME SO MUCH ELECTRONIC AND THAT TIME THE CITY GAVE THE DIRECTION THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO ABOLISH IT AND THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE IT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] I JUST NEVER HAD [INAUDIBLE]
>> CAN WE ROLL THIS UP INTO, EVEN A DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED HAVING REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA? I WOULD TELL YOU THIS US THE PART OF A LARGER COMMUNICATION DISCUSSION.
>> I WOULD THINK OF IT THIS WAY. NEWSLETTER, IS A FORM OF COMMUNICATION AND AS SUCH YOU COULD TREAT THE NEWSLETTER AS BEING THE BASIC FOR A COMMUNICATION STRATEGY.
IF IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE IN ALL IT'S ALREADY FORMS, LIKE THE CHARTER CAN BE MODIFIED.
>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WE ALREADY HAD AN EXISTING NEWSLETTER THAT WE CAN PUT SOMETHING INTO IT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS THING IS WHETHER IT'S PAPER OR ELECTRONIC OR ALL OF THAT.
I THINK AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING SOMEBODY FROM THIS COMMITTEE.
WHERE WE'RE MISSING THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR, I THINK IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO JUST PULL BACK FOR THE TIME BEING UNTIL THE CITY MANAGERS COME BACK TO SEE HOW THEY FEEL LIKE THAT? I THINK SO.
[11. DISCUSS AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION TO DEVELOP COUNCIL PROCEDURES AND EXPECTATIONS.]
>> [INAUDIBLE] ANY COMMENTS ON THIS BRIEFING?
>> I DO. LAST WEEK, YOU RECEIVED A PRESENTATION FROM A CONSULTANT AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AMONGST COUNSEL AS TO WHAT THAT PRESENTATION WAS FOR AND COUNCIL HASN'T HAD REALLY THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS PUBLICLY HOW IT WANTS TO GO FORWARD IN TERMS OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW THE COUNCIL WORKS TOGETHER, HOW IT WORKS WITH THE MAYOR, HOW IT WORKS WITH THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR, ETC.
THIS IS THAT ITEM FOR THE COUNCIL TO DISCUSS WHAT YOU WANT THE NEXT STEP TO BE.
>> I THINK THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY IN CRAFTING SOMETHING FOR YOU TO DISCUSS.
THIS WAS A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HAVE ON NEXT AGENDA? IT IS NOT LIMITED TO A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PRESENTATION LAST WEEK,
[01:55:02]
BUT SIMPLY WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO DO MOVING FORWARD TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AMONGST ITSELF ON HOW TO GET WHERE YOU WANT TO BE FROM A MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE.>> I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR CITY, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID, WHICH I FOUGHT WAS VERY BENEFICIAL WAS A COUNCIL RETREAT.
A COUNCIL RETREAT WAS A THREE DAY GETAWAY AND WE COULD REALLY GET DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY, REALLY WANTED TO SEE THIS CAME UP WITH OFFICIAL STATEMENTS WITH LONG TERM PLANNING.
WE GOT AWAY WITH SOME OF THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS AND KENNY BROUGHT THEM IN WITH THEIR VISIONS FOR THE FUTURE.
I DO BELIEVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR ALL OF US TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I JUST WENT TO WORKSHOP.
I THINK BONDING IS A PART OF IT.
I THINK THAT WAS VERY BENEFICIAL.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
THE PRESENTATION LAST WEEK, I THINK THAT WAS AT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LEVEL.
I THINK THAT WAS AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF HIGHWAY OF THE CITY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE NITTY GRITTY.
PERSONALLY, WITH A TWO YEAR TERM I HAVE THE TIME TO TALK AT SUCH A HIGH LEVEL, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME ACTION.
>> I'M GOING TO FOLLOW UP. I HAVE SIMILAR EXPERIENCE TO [INAUDIBLE].
I THINK THIS ACTUALLY CAME ABOUT BECAUSE THERE WASN'T CLARITY INLINE WHERE THE MAYOR GIVES DIRECTION AND COUNCIL GIVES GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION BUT WHERE ALL OF THAT CAME FROM, AND I THINK GETTING US ALL TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE.
ALSO AS YOU COUNCIL, I FEEL A LITTLE IN THE DARK BECAUSE I WAS NOT GIVEN ANY GUIDANCE ON THE FACT THAT THERE'S AN AGENDA MEETING OR HOW MOTIONS THAT WE ARE NOT ACTUALLY ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, BUT WE GENERALLY USE THAT.
WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES AND MY IMPRESSION WAS LIKE WITH THE MOTION CHARGE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY THE CASE AND SO I WOULD LIKE CLARITY, WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME AT THE SAME TIME GETTING THE SAME ONGOING INFORMATION.
THAT FOR ME, THAT'S WHERE IT STARTED FROM AND I THINK RETREAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
MY THOUGHT IS A GOOD FIRST PART OF THE MEETING.
THEN ONCE WE HAVE THAT CLARIFIED, THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE MISSION AND WHAT OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT OUR VALUES AND ABSOLUTELY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED THREE DAYS AWAY, BUT I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED, I'M FINE TO GO SPEND TWO DAYS AT MURPHY'S COMMUNITY CENTER AND DOING IT THAT WAY, I DON'T NEED TO GO TO ADDISON. I'M GOOD.
>> TO BE CLEAR, I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO ANY OF THAT WITHOUT A CITY ADMINISTRATOR BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE AN ANTIQUE PART OF DIRECTION.
I THINK ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO WAIT UNTIL THAT POSITION IS FILLED.
>> THE TYPE OF RETREAT OR DISCUSSIONS AS FAR AS WHO DOES WHAT THEM LIKE.
>> JOB DESCRIPTION KIND OF SITUATION? REPORTING HIERARCHY AND YOU I HAVE WORKED IN A SITUATION WHERE IT WAS COUNCIL MANAGER FROM THE GOVERNMENT WHERE THE COUNCIL GIVE DIRECTION AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER MADE SURE THAT WAS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES.
[02:00:01]
MY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT IS THAT IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME.WE MAKE DECISIONS AND THEN GIVE GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A CITY ADMINISTRATOR AT THE MOMENT, BUT IF WE DID, WOULD IT BE THAT PERSON OR THE MAYOR WHO GOES AND SAYS, AND NOW CITY ADMINISTRATOR, YOU DO THE THING.
IT'S THAT PARTICULAR PIECE, BUT I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARITY ON.
>> CONTINUE THE TREND, I'M SORRY.
I AGREE WITH THE CLEAN DELINEATION OF DUTY FOR THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR OR THE REPORTING STRUCTURE.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HIRE SOMEONE RELIABLY WITHOUT THEM UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEIR JOB IS OR WHO THEIR BOSS IS GOING TO BE.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS FAIR FIRST DEVELOPER SECONDLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE TO SOMEONE WHO'S WORKING TO NAVIGATE THEIR LIFE.
I SUSPECT THE FIRST STEP MIGHT NOT BE THE COMPREHENSIVE STEP IS TO SCHEDULE IF NOT ONE THEN A SERIES OF WORKSHOPS UNTIL THEY FIGURED THAT OUT.
>> HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE THAT IT IMPACTED OUR ABILITY TO HIRE A CITY ADMINISTRATOR TO THIS POINT.
>> WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WORKSHOP.
I THINK WE HAD THE DISCUSSION PREVIOUSLY ABOUT GETTING A FACTOR FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK WE'VE RUN INTO SOME PROBLEMS WITH THAT. WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?
>> WHAT I MIGHT SUGGEST IS GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE WORKSHOP AS WE'RE DISCUSSING.
AT THAT WORKSHOP, IT'S NOT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S JUST TO BRING OUR QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE.
WE CAN GET THEM ALL OUTLINED FOR THE DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR, THE FACILITATOR, THE RETREAT, WHATEVER.
BUT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO AT LEAST GET STARTED DOWN THAT PATH RIGHT NOW.
>> I WILL SAY HAVING TWO TIMES, THAT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET ANY TRACTION.
ITS JUST THE NATURE OF THE LIST.
>> INSTEAD OF JUST BRINGING QUESTIONS, BRINGING JOB DESCRIPTIONS, THINGS THAT ARE VISION FOR WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATOR DOES TOO THAT MEETING AS WELL.
I THINK ANY RESOLUTIONS, ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE THAT ADDRESS THOSE THINGS THAT EXIST IN BETTER IN DIFFERENT FORM, BUT JUST SO WE KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE.
>> DO YOU THINK THAT GIVES ENOUGH CLARITY TO MOVE FORWARD? DID WE JUST MUDDY IT?
WHAT I HEAR FROM THE COUNCIL IS THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR AND THAT'S YOUR STARTING POINT. IS THAT.
>>THE CITY ADMINISTRATORS, THEIR RULES, AND OUR RULES INTERACTING WITH THEM?++
>> NOT TO PICK TOO FINE A POINT, BUT IT'S A PLACE TO START.
IT'S A SINGLE POINT OF THAT THAT CAN BE SOLVED FOR A CONFINED AMOUNT OF TIME, AND IT IS THE MOST CENTRAL PIECE TO SOLVE IN THE REST OF THEM, SO YES.
[02:05:03]
[12. UPDATE(S)]
THE UPDATES ON THE COMMENTS.[INAUDIBLE] WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENT FROM 7275 M ROAD.
I THINK A VARIETY OF THE FINAL PART FROM HERE. [INAUDIBLE]
>> TWENTY FIVE, 51, THEY ARE MOVING ALONG PRETTY GOOD NOW.
YOU SHOULD START SEEING PAVING ON THE SECTION FROM PARKER ROAD GOING NORTH.
THEY'VE GOT SUBGRADE PREPARED FOR THAT, AND THEY SHOULD START PAVING ANY TIME NOW.
THEY'RE STILL DOING SOME SUBGRADE WORK OVER ON DAY PAST CURTIS.
THERE'S INSTALLING THE SUBS DRAINAGE.
I BELIEVE THE UTILITIES ARE JUST ABOUT ALL RELOCATED.
I THINK THERE'S ONE OR TWO MORE THAT THEY'RE WENT ON.
THEY'RE TRYING TO MOVE BEHIND THEM.
>> SO THEY GOT MOST [INAUDIBLE]
>> WE'RE A LONG WAY AWAY. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT WE STILL HAVE A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO OVER THERE.
THEY'RE WAY BEHIND HOME FOR VARIOUS REASONS, BUT THEY ARE BRING IN MORE CREWS AND SPEED UP, AND WORK WEEKENDS AND SOME OTHER THINGS TO TRY TO SPEED THE PROCESS UP.
TECHNICALLY, THE LETTER THAT BILL PINE SENT TO THE CITY AUTHORIZED IS TO BE MITIGATED ON BEHALF OF THE [INAUDIBLE] UP UNTIL SEPTEMBER 1ST, AND NOTHING CONTAINED ON THAT, THAT WE KNOW OF ON BEHALF OF SEPTEMBER 1ST.
SEPTEMBER 2ND IS THE DATE THAT IS SET FOR EITHER DISMISSAL OF THE CASE WHETHER OR NOT OR LANE IS APPLIED ROAD.
YOU CAN BE DISMISSED ON SEPTEMBER 2ND.
IF THE PARTIES DON'T SUBMIT A SCHEDULE IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD 10 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THAT.
I ASSUME THE PARTIES AGREE SUIT PROBABLY MOVE FORWARD AND THEN [INAUDIBLE].
SEPTEMBER 3RD, IS THE FIRST PERIOD [INAUDIBLE] ENTERPRISES GRANTED YOU’VE BEEN NOTIFIED BY PUC TO BE AN AFFECTED PARTY AND THE ACCEPTED THE STATUS AS DETECTIVE PARTY YOU NOTICE TO HEAR THE ZONING HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 13TH.
A SHOW UP FOR THAT HEAR [INAUDIBLE] THE LAST THING WOULD BE THE SEWER PERMIT APPEAL IN AUSTIN, AND THAT IS SET FOR FEBRUARY 19TH [INAUDIBLE]
>> THE CITY IS WORKING ON CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN THE MAYORS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REACHING A RESOLUTION ON THAT ISSUE.
>> I THINK WE RECEIVED I WOULD SAY MORE COMMUNICATION FROM LUCAS IN THE LAST MONTH, WE FOR A WHILE.
I THINK THERE IS PROMISE HERE THAT WE CAN PROGRESS PAST WHAT HAS BEEN RELATIVELY SLOWER MOVING PROGRESS THAN WE HAD HOPED FOR OR ANTICIPATED,
[02:10:09]
BUT I HAVE OPTIMISM THAT WE'VE OPENED A COMMUNICATION CHANNEL AND AN ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT CAN WORK ON BEHALF OF OUR CITIZENS.>> COLLIN COUNTY IS WORKING ON THEIR NEXT REVISION RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE JUST WAITING.
>> ROXANNE AND I DEVELOPED AN FAQ MAINLY ROXANNE THAT'S NOW POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE ADDRESSING QUESTIONS AND MISSTATEMENTS PEOPLE HAD MADE ABOUT WHAT IS IN THERE.
ALSO, THE REVISION BASED ON THE LAST MEETING HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, AND WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR IT TO GET ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA.
>> ARE YOU READY TO [INAUDIBLE]?
>> I HAVE SOME NEW INFORMATION, BUT I HAVEN'T HAD IT VERY LONG.
I'D RATHER HAVE A CHANCE TO PROCESS IT A LITTLE BETTER BEFORE I TALK ABOUT IT.
I KNOW, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MYSELF.
>> YOU HAVE BEFORE NEXT MEETING?
>> [INAUDIBLE] 13, WHICH IS ACCEPTED AS A DOMINATION
[13. ACCEPTANCE OF DONATION(S) FOR POLICE, FIRE, AND CITY STAFF FOR THE RECORD (Each valued at between $0 - $1,000 [RES. NO. 2024-801])]
FOR LEASE FIRE CITY STAFF FOR RECORD.TEXAS CEDARVILLE CONTRACTOR DONATED ONE DOZEN DONUTS TO VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS., ADMINISTRATION FIRE POLICE PUBLIC WORKS, $90-$139 AND ALL OF THESE THINGS.
[INAUDIBLE] DONATED A SOLID SNACKS, $90-$150 [INAUDIBLE].
WOULD THAT BE THE CASE, THEN WE WILL RECESS
[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
CLOSED SECTION AUTHORITY GOVERNMENT SECTION 551074 PERSONNEL DELIBERATION SECTION 552.074 PERSONNEL FOR THE EMPLOYMENT.ASSIGNED DISCIPLINE OF DISMISSAL OF THE A POLICE OFFICER EMPLOYEE.
SECTION 551.071(1), CONSULTATION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY CONCERNED OR CONTEMPT CONSULTATION AND 5510712, CONSULTATION OF THE ATTORNEY IN THE MATTER AND DUTY ATTORNEY, THE GOVERNMENT BODY IN THE TEXAS STATE DEAR THE CONDUCT OF THE STATE CLEARLY [INAUDIBLE].
[RECONVENE REGULAR MEETING. ]
WELL, IT IS 9:50 PM. WE'RE RECONVENING THE REGULAR SESSION AFTER CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION.COUNCIL, ARE THERE ANY ISSUES OR MATTERS THAT NEED TO BE BROUGHT TO A VOTE AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION?
>> NO MR. MAYOR. DON'T MESS WITH ME.
[02:15:01]
>> THEN IT IS 9:50 P.M, AND I GATHER THIS MEETING CLOSED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.