[CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:11] >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> [PUBLIC COMMENTS] >> PUBLIC COMMENTS. [INAUDIBLE] >> YES. WELL REMEMBER, I'M KALGER I'M FROM THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET AND I WAS HERE AT ALL LAST MEETING. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF ITEM NUMBER 3 WHICH WAS THE MARQUEE THAT WE ARE PURSUING. YOU-ALL HAVE SOME SERIOUS BUSINESS TO CONDUCT THIS AFTERNOON. I WAS WONDERING IF IT MIGHT BE EASY IF I GIVE YOU ALL OF THE INFORMATION WE HAVE ON ELECTRONIC SIGN WHICH DOES ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS FROM SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, AND LET YOU REDO THAT, DIGEST IT, AND THEN WORK WITH THE MARQUEE AT ANOTHER MEETING. WE ARE NOT IN A HURRY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU WHAT INFORMATION WOULD IMPACT IF THAT'S AGREEABLE. >> [INAUDIBLE] YOU SHOULD. [OVERLAPPING] SURE. >> IF YOU WANT TO GIVE ME THE INFORMATION AND I'LL BEGIN THAT IMMEDIATELY. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> NEXT ITEM ON [1. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR JULY 24, 2025.] THE AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION IN THE APPROPRIATE ACTION OF THE MOVES FOR JULY 24, 2025. IS IT BUYING A LOT OF TIME? >> WELL I'M NOT FINDING IT ONLINE, [INAUDIBLE] BUT IT PRIOR TO ME I QUESTION MENTIONED. [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]. >> IT'S REAL ESTATE. DO YOU GUYS HAVE THAT? >> I HAVE A COPY OF IT. >> I READ IT A COUPLE OF TIMES. [00:05:48] >> [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] >> THE REASON I DID NOT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT WAS PRESENTED DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> LET'S SEE. SHE JUST GAVE IT IN OUR DISCUSSION. >> I CAN AMEND IT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SEE IT. [INAUDIBLE] THE MINUTES MENTIONED THE REASON WHY LIGHTING AND SINUS TECHNOLOGIES GET THESE THINGS. THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP AND I JUST DIDN'T MENTION THAT. YOU CAN. I THINK WE'RE MORE FULLY CONSIDERING WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO US, SO. [NOISE] >> I'LL MOTION [INAUDIBLE]. >> HOLD ON A SECOND. >> TOO SOON. >> IGNORE THAT ONE, IGNORE HIM. >> FOR ONCE SHE IS NOT PART OF THE OTHER. SHE'S NOT PART OF THE QUORUM. [INAUDIBLE] >> SHE'S A RED LIP. >> I THOUGHT WE WERE MAKING A REPORT. >> WE ARE. [INAUDIBLE] >> IS IT? WE'LL GET THERE. WE FIVE. >> YES. THAT'S OKAY. [INAUDIBLE] IT'S APPROVED. >> I HAVE TO GET ALL THESE DOWN.[BACKGROUND] >> IT'S OKAY. NEXT ITEM [2. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL’S REFERRAL OF THE SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT ORDINANCE TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING (P&Z) COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR UPDATE/REVISION. [2025 0401 CC Review Referral and 2025 0724 P&Z 1st Review] ] ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSION IN CONSIDERATION. CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL REFERRAL AND SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT ORDINANCE TO PLAN ZERO COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR UPDATE REVISION, 2025 THERE FOR ONE CC REVIEW REFERRAL IN THE 2025 FOR YEAR OF SETTLE FOR PERIOD OF PERSONAL REVIEW. INFORMATION. [INAUDIBLE] >> I SENT THE CURRENT, I SAY THE LINK I THINK, I HOPE RIGHT AFTER OUR MEETING. >> I THINK WHERE THE ISSUE IS, IS WHEN SOUTH FORK SCREWED THE PROPERTY UP INTO THE DISTRICT AND NOW THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY DISTRICT IS 38 ACRES OR JUST LESS THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED, WHICH IS I THINK DO YOU REMEMBER THEIR WINGS LIKE 125 OR [OVERLAPPING] SIZE OF THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY DISTRICT. I THINK THAT WAS WORK ONE SHOULD WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO MODIFY THAT OR CONSIDER SOMETHING TO CHANGE THERE. >> I THINK WE WERE SUPPOSED TO LOOK THROUGH THIS THE156.36. SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE IF IT NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED YEAR IN. [00:10:03] HOW 175 ACRES. >> ONE SEVENTY FIVE, 55 TODAY. >> THE [INAUDIBLE] SOCIAL ACTIVITY SHALL NOT BE LESS THAN 175. >> CORRECT. >> IN LOWER CHANGING, BAKER SHOULD E CHANGE THE ALOE VERA PLAN AND GET THE OTHER THINGS TO REMOVE HIM. >> YES. THAT WAS IT. >> THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S ALLOWED TO BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY. >> YES. AREA B WHICH IS NOW RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT? >> I BELIEVE IT IS. >> WHAT WAS THE REASON THAT THEY WANTED THIS 175 ACRES? >> I DON'T KNOW. THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO WITH THE ORDINANCE. I WASN'T HERE DURING THAT PROCESS. >> WHAT IS THE RATIONALE FOR HAVING A REQUIREMENT. >> PROBABLY TO KEEP FROM HAVING SOMEBODY COME IN WITH 50 ACRES TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR. THIS IS WHAT I WOULD IMAGINE. >> WELL AND ALSO TO MAKE IT SPECIFICALLY APPLY TO SOUTH FORK. >> WELL, BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT SAYS SOUTH FORK, SO CORRECT. RIGHT ALONG IS EVEN RIGHT. >> I THINK IT WAS TAYLOR TO SOUTH FORK AT THE TIME, AND THAT WAS THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT WE HIT THE DESCRIPTION. IT'S ALSO 91 FOR SOUTH FORK ONLY. >> THE INTENT BACK THEN WAS WE'RE MAKING THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR SOUTH FORK AND ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW IT. >> IT'S A SPECIAL EXCEPTION ANYWAY. >> THEY HAVE HORSES WHERE PEOPLE COULD RIDE TO THE WHOLE PROPERTY. >> THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THAT FROM THE DEVELOPER. >> TRAIL 37 OVER THE WHOLE PROPERTY. >> I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT [INAUDIBLE] OVER THE REMAINING PIECES. THEY'LL MAKE A TRAIL FROM THAT. >> IS THAT SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE IDENTIFYING? >> WHAT'S THAT? >> A RIDING PHONE WHEN WE DESIRE TASK TOO. >> I DON'T KNOW YOUR TASK SPECIFICALLY. IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS WHAT YOU WANT TO INCLUDE IN THERE. I THINK WHAT COUNSEL MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR IS SOME RECOMMENDATION IN REGARD TO THE CHANGE IN SITE. I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS MADE OF. >> IF I'M LOOKING AT THE CONCEPT PLAN WHERE THE AREAS FROM A_1 AND A_2 ARE DEFINED, IT SAYS THAT RECREATION AND ENTERTAINMENT USES CONSIST OF THE FOLLOWING AND THEN THERE'S A LIST OF WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE UNDER THIS CONCEPT PLAN. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE EVALUATING ALSO? >> IF WE CAN REOPEN THIS UP TO CHANGE, YOU CAN LOOK AT ANY OF THAT TO EFFECT, TO CHANGE. IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE SOME OF THE THINGS THEREFORE, EXCLUDE SOMETHING ELSE, OR ADD SOMETHING, OR MODIFY SOMETHING THERE, THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT. >> DO WE KNOW WHAT THEY HOPE TO DO? HAVE THEY BEEN TELLING YOU IN THEIR TRAINING PROCESS WITH THEIR GOALS OR VISIONS? >> THERE'S BEEN NO REAL DIRECTION ON THIS OTHER THAN CONSIDERATION ABOUT THE SIDES. I'VE HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT ALGER THAT WE'RE MOVING THE ALGER.[BACKGROUND] >> WHEN THEY PRESENTED THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE TO SCALE IT. [INAUDIBLE] >> THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP AS MUCH OF SOUTH FORK AS THEY CAN AND AS MUCH AS THEY CAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN IT TO MAKE MONEY. >> FINE. >> [BACKGROUND] >> [BACKGROUND] [LAUGHTER] >> THERE'S ONE IS FOUR? >> I KNOW. THEY'RE THE ONES HOW TO REACH OUT THERE. [00:15:07] >> I'M LOOKING AT THE LIST THAT'S IN THE ZONING LOCKS RIGHT NOW. I DON'T, MAYBE ALOE VERA IS ACTUALLY IN THERE. >> NO GENUINE. >> THE PROCUREMENT IS STILL WITHIN THAT PACKET. >> I DON'T HAVE THAT PACKET. >> LOOK IN THE ARCHIVES ON THE CITY OF WORKER WEBSITE? >> I'M ACTUALLY IN THERE. >> WELL I ASSUME AS THE CURRENT LAW IN THE STATE OF ALABAMA. >> IT'S IN THERE. IT'S PROBABLY A DIFFERENT NUMBER FROM WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. IN A CAFETERIA AND THE PLANT AND ALL THAT, WE JUST WANT TO DELETE ALL THESE THINGS. THIS TYPE AND THIS HERE. >> SPECIAL ACTIVITY REALLY IS THIS FOR TOURISTS AT THE VERY BEGINNING AND IT SAYS TOURISTS RELATED COMMERCIAL USES. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DEFINE ALL WHAT THAT IS. THERE'S A SPECIAL PROCESS THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET APPROVAL TO BE ZONE SPECIAL ACTIVITY. >> THAT'S NOT A GENERALLY AVAILABLE ZONE. >> I THOUGHT THERE'S ALREADY ONE SPECIAL ACTIVITY INCLUDED [INAUDIBLE]. >> THERE ARE. >> THE DIFFERENCE IS THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT IT BE 475 ACRES AND NOW BECAUSE OF REZONING, CHANGE IN THAT, AND DEVELOPING PART OF IT NOW THEY'RE LEFT TO 38 ACRES OF SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT IN THERE. >> BUT DO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ESSAY PROCESS OR IS IT ALREADY ESSAY THEN ALREADY DONE THAT WAY? >> I THINK IT'S ALREADY ZONE SPECIAL ACTIVITIES AND SHOULD REMAIN THAT WAY. >> THEY DON'T HAVE TO?[OVERLAPPING] >> THEY'RE NOT CHANGING THE USE OF THAT PIECE. THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW. I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE DO AS FAR AS THE REGULATIONS GO. WE NEED TO CHANGE THEM, IT COULD BE THAT THEY'RE JUST GRANDFATHERED IN BECAUSE THEY WERE THERE. THIS CHANGE HAPPENED AND THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED INTO THE RULES THAT WERE THERE. >> BECAUSE NOW THAT THERE ARE 37 ACRES, IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO INTO THIS IS A SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT? >> I WOULDN'T SAY SO BECAUSE WHEN THEY CAME IN THEY WERE ALL THE 175. THEY CAME IN AS A SPECIAL ACTIVITY DISTRICT. THEY MODIFIED MORE TOWARDS WHAT THE CITY OF WATER LIGHTS ARE. THAT'S BEEN ALLOWED BY THE COUNCIL AND IN THE DAWN. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT.[BACKGROUND] >> I WOULD ASSUME THAT SOMEBODY WITH 37 OR MORE ACRES THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR AN [INAUDIBLE] >> THEY HAVE TO APPLY. TO REFER TO THE WAY THE RULES CURRENTLY READ, THEY HAVE TO BE 175 ACRES OR MORE. >> BUT IF WE CHANGE IT TO 37.[OVERLAPPING] >> THEN THAT WOULD OPEN IT TO THE PEOPLE WITH SMALL PROPERTIES. >> BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO APPLY. >> YES. >> WHAT ARE SOME REASONS THAT WE WOULD DENY SOMEBODY'S SA APPLICATION? >> TRAFFIC. JUST GENERAL CONGESTION THAT WOULD BE CAUSED BY WHATEVER ACTIVITY THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THERE. PARKER GOT QUITE A FEW ORDINANCES ABOUT KEEPING THE AREAS PEACEFUL AND QUIET. >> THAT'S MORE INTENT. PART OF IT IS NOT LIKE 175 ACRES. [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] >> ONE SEVENTY FIVE AND WHATEVER. I DON'T HAVE THAT 47 PERIOD THERE. I'LL GET THE DISTRICT. THERE ARE OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT I'M SURE OF. >> IS IT ENOUGH IF WE JUST DELETE THE SIZE REQUIREMENT? >> I'M NOT SURE [INAUDIBLE]. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN? >> WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SIZE IN THERE, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T AT LEAST HAVE 37 ACRES THEN SOMEBODY [00:20:01] GOING TO COME IN WITH ACRES LESS THAN THAT WHICH OF COURSE, I WOULD HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE OTHER RESTRICTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING IN PLACE, TO LEVELIZED SPECIAL ACTIVITY DISTRICT. I THINK WE PUT THAT THEIR SEVEN REPRESENTATIVE AND I PUT IN TWO OTHER ACTS IN THAT. >> IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE WHEN YOU READ THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY DISTRICT ZONE WAS WRITTEN OR STYLED FOR. >> IT WAS. >> YOU GOT THINGS LIKE FOR TOURISM RELATED [INAUDIBLE] [BACKGROUND] >> WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? >> MY QUESTION IS IF YOU DON'T NEED THIS SPECIAL ACTIVITY THESIS [INAUDIBLE] >> CAN YOU DO THAT? >> WE HAVE MORE JOINT TOOLS THAT WE CAN USE. YOU CAN GIVE THEM THAT TOOL FROM THE BRAND DVD. WE USED TO HAVE SFD. YOU CAN CERTAINLY PEAK THE NATURE, EVEN REVOLVE A LITTLE BIT OF A VARIANCE FROM SINGLE FAMILY FOR SFD. SPECIAL ACTIVITIES HAS REALLY [INAUDIBLE]. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SHOULD BE MODIFIED OR. >> ISN'T IT SAFER IF WE HAVE THAT, IF WE CHANGE SPECIAL ACTIVITIES WITH 37 ACRES AND DELETE SOME OF THESE ALLOWANCES, GET SERIES, DE POLLEN, TO START DELETING SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE SO THAT THEY DON'T EVEN COME AND ASK FOR THINGS. [LAUGHTER] WELL, IT'S A GUIDANCE. >> THAT'S WHAT I FEEL TOO. >> IN THE SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT, ZONING IS WHERE IT HAS THE PERMITTED USES IN THE HOTEL, MOTEL, BED AND BREAKFAST FACILITIES FOR MIXING OF PERSONAL CARE PRODUCTS AND NATURAL HERB AGRICULTURE PRODUCTS SUCH AS ALOE VERA PRODUCT MIXING FACILITY. THAT'S IN THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY ZONING, NOT IN THE SOUTH FORD. SOUTH FORD, MARY HAS THE COORDINATES FOR THEIR SPECIAL ACTIVITY DISTRICT. >> IS THIS INDEX 41320? >> YES, PLEASE. >> I DON'T KNOW IF CHANGING THE ZONING WOULD HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THEIR HOLDING?[NOISE] >> I GUESS IN THEIR LAWS OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO SINCE IF WE HAVE THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY DISTRICT, AND WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE AND THE ORDINANCE TALKS ABOUT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA. ARE WE CHANGING BOTH OR ARE WE CHANGING THE SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT? >> I ALSO THOUGHT THAT BOTH NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. [NOISE] [00:25:25] >> IT DOES HAVE IN THEIR SPECIFIC ORDER SECTION 4B THAT TALKS ABOUT THE ALOE VERA PLANT. >> I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WE NEED ONE MORE TIME TO REVIEW THIS. >> THE ALOE VERA, THE HOTEL, AND WHATNOT. [INAUDIBLE] >> YOU SAID YOU GOT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING DISCUSS THIS? >> YES. BUT I DIDN'T LEARN IF [INAUDIBLE] ALSO AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHERE THE IMPERIAL PEOPLE CAN PRESENT THEIR PROPOSAL ABOUT THE TWO ACRE LOTS INTO HAVE 37 ACRES. IT HAPPENS. >> GOOD POINT. [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND] >> IT SAYS 136.25, BUT THEY COULDN'T HAVE AS MAXIMUM CLEARANCE. >> ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. [BACKGROUND] [NOISE] >> I THINK AFTER IT THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS A BIT MORE. IT SEEMS LIKE WE DO NEED TO AMEND IT, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE HOW WE'RE GOING TO GO ABOUT DOING IT. >> WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT CROSS FREE GRANTS. THINKING THAT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A SPECIAL ACTIVITY DISTRICT ALSO [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING] >> SPECIAL USE IN LINE. >> WE'RE THERE AND THE SIZE MEANS DIFFERENCE TO US. SOPHIE CAME IN AND WANTED SMALLER THAN 175 ACRES, THAT'S HOW HE DID IT. >> THAT WAS A SPECIAL USE? >> YES. CORRECT. >> SHOULD WE EVEN JUST GET RID OF THIS SPECIAL SA? >> I THINK WE NEED PROBABLY INVOLVE KATHERINE IN THAT QUESTION. SEE IF WE CAN, SINCE WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S GOT A PROFESSIONAL ACTIVITY DISTRICT ORDINATES. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN. OR WE SHOULD KEEP IT MODIFIED, OR KEEP LEAVE IT ALONE, OR I DON'T KNOW. >> COULD THE 37 ACRES, IF THEY CAN STILL OPERATE IT UNDER THE WAY THEY WANTED TO. THE REDUCED ACREAGE, AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO RIGHT NOW, UNDER THE SPECIAL PERMIT USE OR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ROUTE RATHER THAN UNDER THE SAE ROUTE. >> YES. >> DID THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT? >> THEY HAVE TO APPLY. THEY DON'T HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THEY HAVE SPECIAL ACTIVITIES, DISTRICT ZONING, OR SPECIFIC [OVERLAPPING] >> WHAT WE CAN SAY, THOUGH IS, IF THEY NO LONGER QUALIFY BECAUSE IT'S A 175 ACRES DISTRICT LAW RIGHT NOW. IF THEY'RE GOING TO DROP BELOW THAT, THEN WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. THEY CAN'T JUST SAY NOW, WE STILL HAVE THE SAP. NO, YOU DON'T. YOU'RE UNDER THE 175-ACRES. >> SHOULD THE RECOMMENDATION BE THAT THEY COME BACK, AND APPLY FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT? [OVERLAPPING] 175-ACRE OPERATION OF THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE READY TO MAKE THAT DECISION, BUT [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S ONE OPTION. >> THAT'S AN IDEA. BECAUSE, [00:30:02] I THINK THAT WE COVER REWRITING OUT OF ONE, THE ALLOWED USES THERE. [OVERLAPPING] >> WOULD THAT BE THE SAFEST FOR THE CITY OF PARKER, OR WOULD THAT LEAVE IT? BECAUSE I WANT WHAT SAFEST AIR [INAUDIBLE]. >> POSE THAT QUESTION TO KATHERINE, WE SEE ABOUT IT. >> WHICH OPTION WOULD BE BETTER? I GOT PROBLEM WITH DADDY. >> WE NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF [OVERLAPPING]. I THINK WE JUST CONTINUE THIS NEXT MEETING UNTIL WE HEAR BACK FROM KATHY. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSION TO [3. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL’S REFERRAL OF CHAPTER 153 REGARDING SIGNS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION. [2025 0617 CC Review Referral and 2025 0724 P&Z 1st Review] ] CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL REFER OF CHAPTER 53 REGARDING SIGNS TO THE COMMISSION FOR NEW RECOMMENDATION. I PROVIDED THE INFORMATION ON SIGNS FOR CONSIDERATION. >> SHE HAS PROVIDED INFORMATION ON THAT, AND I'LL BE TO DISTRIBUTE THAT TO THE BUYERS, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS, AND FIGURE OUT ONE DIRECTION WE WANT TO DO THAT. WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME OTHER INFORMATION THAT LILY HELPED ME WITH. GOT SOME SIGN INFORMATION FROM OTHER CITIES THAT I CAN DISTRIBUTE WITH THAT ALSO. >> BECAUSE SOME OF THE SIGNS IN [INAUDIBLE],SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE REALLY BRIGHT. >> WE JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW [INAUDIBLE]. >> I THINK HER SIGN IS FROWN UP OFF THE STREET, IT'S BEEN IN THE CORNER SO I DON'T REMEMBER TOO MUCH ABOUT IT. >> I THINK SHE FULLY INTENDS TO DO WHATEVER [INAUDIBLE] WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT PERSON TO DO. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO WRITE SOMETHING IN THERE OR SOMETHING IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THIS IT'S LIMITED TO WHERE IT IS SPECIFICALLY [INAUDIBLE] LIKE THAT. >> I THINK WE ALSO GOING TO SIGNS FOR THE ELECTIONS. >> I THINK WE LOOK AT THAT, BUT WE HAD GOOD POINTS. WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO STEP ON ANYBODY. >> TRUE. [OVERLAPPING] THERE ARE SAFETY ISSUES, WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SITE THE PROPERTY HERE. WE HAVE THAT DEVELOPMENTS. >> I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT THERE, AND MARK OUT A 10 FOOT SQUARE, AND ALL THE TIMES IN THERE [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]. >> I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE STREET, SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE THERE [INAUDIBLE]. >> SPECIFICALLY IN CITY HALL, MOVED BACK THE DISTANCE [OVERLAPPING]. >> ACTUALLY IN THE INTERSECTION BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE]. >> WE DON'T ALLOW THEM IN THE RUNAWAY, ANYWHERE ELSE. THEY HAVE TO KEEP THEM OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY. >> NO, BUT THERE'S THEY ARE ON THE SIDE, BUT STILL WE CAN'T HAVE IT BLOCKED. LINE OF SIGHT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO PULL OUT SAY FROM. >> MAYBE CLARIFY WHAT WE DO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, BECAUSE POLITICAL SIGNS ARE A VERY FETCHY SUBJECT. WHEN YOU GO TO POLITICAL SIGNS, YOU GIVE PEOPLE TO FIRE YOU OVER IT. I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS [INAUDIBLE] WE HANDLE THAT, SO THAT THERE'S A SPECIFIC DEFINE PROCEDURE WHERE SOMEBODY WHEN THERE'S A SIGN VIOLATION, THERE'S A CLEARLY DEFINED PROCEDURE THAT WE'LL FOLLOW [INAUDIBLE] TROUBLE. >> RIGHT. THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST. WE PUT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND SOMEBODY STATE COMES IN AND PULLS THEM UP. LET HIM SHAPE, START BUILDING EACH OTHER [INAUDIBLE]. >> EVERYBODY A FAIR SHOT ELECTION RACE, WHATEVER. BUT IT'S A SIGN VIOLATION. IF THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE, THAT CAN BE REMOVED. >> I THINK WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT OTHER CITIES. >> I HAVE INFORMATION HERE. I WILL FIND THE [INAUDIBLE]. [00:35:02] I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THROUGH ALL OF IT POLITICAL SIGNS ARE ADDRESSED IN THOSE. I'M GOING TO DISTRIBUTE THAT, IF THERE'S CORRECTION. >> IT'S A PRETTY BIG CHUNK OF CODE HERE, SO SIGN IT, IT CAN'T MOVE. >> CAN WE SIT FROM THE BLUE RATIO? >> THERE IS ALREADY. >> THERE IS ALREADY. >> THEN [INAUDIBLE] DIGIT SIGNING IS CONCERNED AND FLASHING AND ALSO AMMUNITION OR [INAUDIBLE]? >> THERE'S ALREADY LIMITS ON ALL OF THAT IN THE IN THE ORDINANCE. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SEE IF WE WANT TO ADJUST TO ALLOW FOR SOME LIMITED LIGHTED SIGNS. BUT WITHIN LIMITS AND GUIDELINES. IN THE POLITICAL SIGNS, THERE ARE DEFINE LIMITATIONS ON WHERE THEY PUT IN ABILITY AND STUFF. THEY CAN'T PUT ANYTHING [INAUDIBLE]. >> THAT'S [INAUDIBLE]. >> YES. >> THE CONGREGATION IS RESTORED I WAS JUST TRYING TO [INAUDIBLE]. >> MAYBE YOU COULD ADD THAT TO YOUR SIGN. DELAY THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WE GET INFORMATION ON SIGNS. >> [FOREIGN]. >> FIREWORKS. >> WE LOOK AT THE [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE DID FIT GET THAT ON THIS AGENDA, WE'LL GET ON THE NET. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE HOMEWORK. >> READ IN RIGHT HERE, EVERYBODY. [LAUGHTER] [ROUTINE ITEMS ] >> NEXT IS RUTH ADAMS. [INAUDIBLE] >> NOW, WHAT WE HAVE IN A FLAT, I THINK WE HAVE A FLAT OR TWO COMING UP BEFORE TOO LONG [INAUDIBLE] SOUTH FOR THE ACTUAL FLAT. THEY'RE IN ENGINEERING RIGHT NOW. THEN THE OTHER WILL BE THE PRELIMINARY FLAT FOR MCCARY ESTATES [INAUDIBLE] THOSE DOING ENGINEERING AND GETTING CLOSER TO BEING DONE. >> I GUESS, [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ] ALSO THE FUTURE ITEMS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? >> YES. WILL THAT AND THE CONTINUATION OF ITEMS OF WORK? >> YES. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE SO, I GUESS THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. >> WE GO TO [INAUDIBLE] TIME FOR DATE? >> OKAY. >> WE JUST WANT TO DO THAT. I HAVE SOME [INAUDIBLE]. MY WIFE IS HAVING A KNEE SURGERY. I DON'T KNOW, AS OF THE DAY, SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE TOMORROW BUT THAT MAY BE CHANGED. >> I THINK WE NEED TIME TO LOOK THROUGH ALL THE MATERIAL, SO AT LEAST TWO WEEKS OR SO. >> ALWAYS IS TWO WEEKS. >> DO YOU WANT TO SCHEDULE FOR. >> ON THE 21ST, AS OF NOW, THAT WOULD GIVE US A [INAUDIBLE]. >> AGAIN ON THE 21ST. >> [INAUDIBLE] FROM THE 28TH? >> THE 28TH WOULD BE A REGULAR SCHEDULE. LET'S TRY THAT. >> I CAN'T. [00:40:02] >> YOU GOT SOMETHING THAT DAY? >> YEAH. WHY DID WE FINISH AT 5:00 P.M? >> [INAUDIBLE] RUSSEL GOING TO BE AVAILABLE. >> HE'S NOT REALLY OKAY. >> YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET ANYMORE. >> HE CAN [INAUDIBLE]. >> YOU HEAR FROM HER BUGS [INAUDIBLE]. >> ARE WE GOING TO TRY FOR THE 28TH? >> [INAUDIBLE] >> SEPTEMBER 12TH. IT WILL BE OKAY IF IT'S SEPTEMBER 12TH. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> [INAUDIBLE] FOR YOU. IS THAT OKAY? >> [INAUDIBLE] >> YES, 4:00 P.M. RIGHT? >> YES, MA'AM [INAUDIBLE] >> NOT ME. >> WE'LL GET WITH KATHERINE TONIGHT, AND HER E-MAIL PROVIDED. I'LL LIKE TO SEND HER AN E-MAIL BEGINNING TONIGHT AND 3 OR 4 WEEKS ON THERE FOR GIVING A LOT. >> A LOT OF THE THEORY. TONIGHT WE BEGIN TO PEOPLE SHOW. HERE BY OURSELVES, WE'RE [INAUDIBLE] AT [INAUDIBLE]. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.