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[5. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL’S REFERRAL OF ORDINANCE NO. 201, RELATING TO FIREWORKS AND THE PREVENTION OF FIRES, TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION. [2025 0617 CC Review Referral]]
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>> ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO HAVE MAYBE WELL
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I WHAT HAS PRECIPITATED THIS THERE A BASIC WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS ON.[00:10:48]
WHAT IS, WE'VE GOT FIREWORK SHOWS THAT GO ON, RIGHT? THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, SOUTH PORK, WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LIMITED TO 12 FIREWORKS EVENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.WE'VE GOT THAT. THEN WE'VE GOT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN OR WHATEVER, FLASH NOS, AND FIREWORKS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT IS IT THAT'S THE PRIORITY HERE.
FIREWORKS ARE PROHIBITED TO THE CITY PARKER.
YOU CAN'T JUST CALL THAT HERE IN FIRE ALL.
FINE. THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED.
WE GET QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE FIREWORKS STAND THAT TAKE PLACE FOR RARDUN PLANS AT THAT POINT.
THE MAIN THING IS JUST THE SHOWS THAT ARE AT SOUTH FORD.
THAT'S BEEN THE MAIN FOCUS, THERE BEEN ZERO ISSUES ON OUR PART.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN CALLED OUT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
YOU HAVEN'T BEEN CALLED OUT LIKE THAT.
WE CAN'T TELL ALL FIREWORKS VERY LONG.
BUT THE WAY [INAUDIBLE] ONE PERSON DESIGN.
[INAUDIBLE] YOU WOULD HAVE A PERMIT GOING IN THE CITY.
I THINK THAT I'M NOT SURE ON HOW THAT WOULD BE LEGAL THING THAT THAT MAY NEED TO TOUCH FURTHER ON AT SOME POINT.
DO YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THE CITY C? I'M NOT SURE. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WE'VE GOT TWO THINGS, YOUR HONOR, HERE.
WE'VE GOT FOUR UMBER 21, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING FOLLOWING THAT, WE HAVE FOUR EACH NUMBER 244.
244 IS THE ONE THAT THAT'S TELLING US THAT YOU CANNOT DISCHARGE FIREWORKS.
IN THE CITY. WE'VE GOT SOMETHING FROM 1976.
PERFECTLY [INAUDIBLE] IT DOESN'T.
TWENTY-ONE. IT JUST IT'S PROVIDING REGULATIONS FOR CONTROL OF THE FIRE.
THIS IS THE CONTROL OF FIREWORK.
CONTRADICTS ITSELF WE HAVE MULTIPLE DO WE HAVE MULTIPLE ORDINANCES HERE? NOT VERY AT LEAST THEY NEED TO REFERENCE OR BE COND WE DON'T NEED TO.
IS THAT WHAT THEY WERE ASKING US TO DO? YEAH. THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO ANSWER.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE ON THE LOOK FOR? EVENTUALLY, NUMBER THREE NUMBER FOUR SAYS THAT IT'S UNLAWFUL TO USE OR ALLOW TO BE USED OR EXPLODED ANY FIREWORKS IN THE CITY OF PARK OF TEXAS WITHIN 250 FEET OF STRUCTURE.
TELLS ME THAT I CAN USE A FIREWORK IF I'M FURTHER AWAY FROM NOW.
2.4 [INAUDIBLE] I GUESS THE QUESTION SEEMS LIKE THE TWO ORDINANCES CON 0.9.
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COULD YOU PROPOSE THIS? THIS IS JUST FOR THOUGHT RIGHT NOW, OFFICIAL BECAUSE THEY CONTRADICT EACH OTHER A READING.YOU CAN STATE FIREWORKS CONTINUE WITH 244, FIREWORKS ARE ILLEGAL IN THE CITY DEPARTMENT LIKE CHAD SAID ON HERE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A PERMIT WITH A FIREWORKS SHOW ID SOUTH PORK THAT THAT CLARIFIES THE DISCUSSED MY RECOLLECTION [INAUDIBLE] THEY SAID IN THE CITY COUNCIL.
THAT WE'RE AS WHAT I RECALL SOUNDS LIKE WRITING WRITE SHOULD BE FAIRLY EASY, RIGHT.
>> LET'S SEE IF I CAN COME UP WITH ANOTHER CITY'S ORDINANCE TO PREPARE.
>> I CAN DO THAT, AND THEN I CAN EMAIL THAT OVER TO WHOEVER WANTS THAT.
[INAUDIBLE], LIKE I SAID, THIS IS 1976.
>> THAT ON IN 1997 WOULD BE FINE.
FIRE ORDINANCES HAVE BEEN PROHIBITED IN CITIES.
>> I THINK JUST A REVISION DATE ON HERE TO SAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN LOOKED AT AND UPDATED SINCE 1976.
I THINK THAT COVERS MORE OF THE UPDATING THING.
>> TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE TWO THINGS THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SIMILAR SITUATION, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THINGS THAT ARE CONFLICTING IN EACH OF THE ORDINANCES AND THAT THEY ALL MAKE SENSE.
IT'S EITHER PUT IT ALL TOGETHER INTO ONE SO IT'S NOT CONFLICTING, AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE SOME REFERENCES BACK AND FORTH, AND WE YOU KNOW WHICH ONE IS ACTUALLY THE SUPERLATIVE I GUESS SO.
OTHER THAN THAT, I GUESS MY QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, DO WE RESIGN AN ORDINANCE CONSTRUCTION?
>> USUALLY, WHEN THAT HAS TO DO WITH [INAUDIBLE]?
>> I THINK WE PUT A GRAPH TOGETHER AND GET IT OVER TO KAT AND LET HER LOOK AT IT AND POP IT UP HOW SHE WANTS TO, AND SEE WHAT SHE COMES UP WITH.
>> WE WILL COME HERE WITH GRAPH?
>> I THINK WE SHOULD COME UP WITH THE GRAPH AND THEN GET IT TO YOU.
>> I'M WORKING ON GETTING A COPY OF ANOTHER CITY'S, AND I WILL FORWARD THAT OVER.
WE JUST NEED TO CHANGE THE NAME FROM FAIRVIEW TO PARKER [LAUGHTER].
LET ME JUST SAY, ARE THERE TWO PEOPLE UP THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THIS? I WILL VOLUNTEER TO LOOK AT IT IN DETAIL HERE.
>> [INAUDIBLE]. THAT'S ONE THING I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
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>> WHEN I THINK OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE, I THINK OF SOMETHING THAT'S ANNOYINGLY NOISY ALL THE TIME, NOT SOMETHING THAT GOES AND IT'S OVER.
NOW, MAYBE PEOPLE HAVE A DIFFERENT CONCEPT THAN I DO, BUT WHEN I THINK OF A BIG FIREWORKS SHOW WITH DYNAMITE STYLES OF THINGS GOING OFF AND GOING BOOM AND SHAKING MY HOUSE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THAT MIGHT BE UPSETTING TO PEOPLE AND ANIMALS.
BUT LIKE I SAID, SOMETHING THAT [NOISE] AND THEN BEING OVER OR SOMETHING, IS THAT REALLY A NOISE PROBLEM? I DON'T THINK SO. THAT'S MORE OF THE UNLAWFUL DISCHARGE OF A FIREWORK.
TO ME, YOU'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL THAT YOU DON'T EITHER DO SOME OF THESE ORDINANCES BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT REALLY SOLVING A PROBLEM, YOU'RE JUST CREATING A LOT OF WORDS.
I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T START TALKING ABOUT NOISE AND FIREWORKS OR SOMETHING.
BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, SPARKLERS, I HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHY ANYBODY CARES ABOUT A SPARKLER.
I CAN LIGHT A CIGARETTE OUTSIDE WITH THE SAME PROBLEM.
I CAN THROW A CIGARETTE OUT OF MY CAR AND CAUSE A BIG FIRE, PROBABLY MORE OFTEN, I'M GOING TO HAVE A SPARKLER THAT CAUSES A FIRE.
I CAN PROBABLY GET SOME STATISTICS ON THAT, BUT WE'VE PROBABLY SEEN IT IN READING SOME TIME ALONG THE HIGHWAY, AND I'M SURE PEOPLE AREN'T THROWING SPARKLERS OUT OF THEIR CARS.
THAT, TO ME, IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU DON'T SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
THAT'S THE THING THAT ALWAYS WORRIES ME.
>> GARY POINTED OUT THAT ON COUNCIL MEETING DATES, THIS IS TODAY, SO FOR ORDINANCE 201, THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON THAT.
BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER ORDINANCES TO CONSIDER.
THERE ALSO IS THE SOUTHFORK SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT ORDINANCE.
IT DOES TALK ABOUT THEIR FIREWORKS.
>> IT LIMITS THEIR NUMBER OF FIREWORKS PERMITS STATED IN HALF BEFORE THE MEETING AND HOPEFULLY, IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT A WHOLE BUNCH.
I'VE READ IT ALL AND EVERYTHING, BUT I DON'T THINK IT TALKS ABOUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER DETAILED STUFF ABOUT THAT, WHERE WE HAVE CONTEXT.
>> THAT THE SUBJECT IN THE AGENDA ITEM IS TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE RELATED FIREWORKS AND THE PREVENTION OF FIRE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO STATE THAT NARROWED OR [INAUDIBLE].
>> WHAT YOU'RE POINTING OUT IS THAT, IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER FIRE PREVENTION, THE SAFEST THING TO DO IS ANY POOL FOR PERMIT, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, THEY PAY FOR US TO GO OUT AND STAFF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IN THE EVENT WE [INAUDIBLE] WILL BE OUR HOURLY RATE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AND WE'RE THERE.
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BEST THING TO DO TO PREVENT ANY FURTHER FIRE.
>> IF YOU HAVE PROFESSIONAL FIREWORKS, SOMETIMES THINGS GO AWRY, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVERYTHING BLOWS UP IN EVERYONE'S FACE.
>> MAYBE IN THAT PROCESS OF INCORPORATING THAT INTO AN ORDINANCE, WE CLEAN UP AND CONSOLIDATE ALL THE OTHER ORDINANCES AND MAKE ONE TEST.
>> THE ONLY REASON SEEMS FOR 201 CONSIDERED FOR THE [INAUDIBLE]?
>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, YOU CAN'T BURN THE PROPERTY [INAUDIBLE].
>> CORRECT, SO YOU HAVE TO STOP [LAUGHTER]
>> IT'S NOT ANYWHERE ELSE THEN? NO OTHER ORDINANCE MENTIONED FOR ADDITION OF BURNING?
>> IS THERE ANOTHER ORDINANCE?
>> THE THING THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO GO ONLINE, AND WE HAVE TO DO A SEARCH OF ALL THE ORDINANCES, AND WE HAVE TO SEE IF THE WORD BURNING IS THERE.
>> SINCE SOUTHFORK IS THE ONLY ENTITY THAT'S ALLOWED TO HAVE FIREWORKS LEGALLY,
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THEN THIS ORDINANCE, [INAUDIBLE].>> HANG ON A SECOND. LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.
LET'S SAY A GROUP OF CO-WORKERS GET TOGETHER AND THEY WANT TO HAVE A FIREWORKS SHOW OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL.
>> ARE WE SAYING WE WOULD ALLOW GROUPS OTHER THAN SOUTHFORK?
>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IF YOU WRITE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, TO ME, IT'S A PERMITTING PROCESS [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE WAY IT IS NOW, IT SEEMS LIKE ANY PERSON THAT ASKS FOR PERMIT?
>> YES, AND SHOULD THEY BE ABLE TO GET IT?
>> NO. I AGREE, IT'S NOT A GREAT IDEA.
>> WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO SAY ANY PERSON CAN GET A PERMIT.
SOUTHFORK IS THE ONLY ENTITY OR PERSON THAT CAN.
>> WHAT YOU YOU'RE SAYING IS SOUTHFORK SPECIAL ACTIVITY DISTRICT IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE IT IS LAWFUL TO GET A PERMIT FOR FIREWORKS.
>> I BELIEVE SO. IT'S FORBIDDEN EVERYWHERE.
YOU CAN'T FORBID SOMETHING, AND THEN HERE'S YOUR PERMIT IF YOU PAY US.
>> THEN I'M JUST TRYING TO [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHAT ABOUT SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT, BECAUSE THOSE BRING FIREWORKS DO THE FIREWORKS.
>> I DON'T KNOW PREVENTING FIREWORKS.
I HAVEN'T APPLIED A PERMIT WITHIN A YEAR.
IT'S USUALLY JUST SOUTHFORK FOR WEDDINGS, SMALL UNITS LIKE THAT.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A FIREWORKS SHOW, NOT EVEN CONCERTS.
>> THE CRYSTAL CHARITY BALL HAS FIREWORKS.
>> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT. [INAUDIBLE]?
>> WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT REALLY, YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE [INAUDIBLE] A LIABILITY OF SPECIAL ACTIVITIES VARIES OR WAS THE PROPER FROM IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR THE EITHER ORDINANCE? BECAUSE TWO OF THEM IS FULL OF PROBLEMS.
>> I THINK WE CAN WRITE THE ORDINANCE OF THIS [INAUDIBLE].
>> BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY SAYS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A FIRE AS LONG AS YOU'RE 250 FEET AWAY FROM A STRUCTURE; A FIRE AND FIREWORKS.
>> NO, I THINK IF WE WANTED TO REPEAL THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCES AND COME UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE ONE THAT COVERS EVERYTHING WE THINK WE'VE BASICALLY COVERED, NEEDS TO BE COVERED, THEN WE WRITE IN TO REPEAL THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCES BY NUMBER.
>> I BROUGHT WITH ME SOME FIREWORKS TODAY.
>> GREAT [LAUGHTER]. DON'T GAMBLE WITH THOSE.
>> WHAT ABOUT FIRE PITS MAYBE FOR NOW?
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY REGULATION SIZE ON THAT.
[OVERLAPPING] WE HAVE A REGULATIONAL SIDE ON THAT.
WE TELL EVERYBODY YOU CAN'T HAVE IT MORE THAN THREE FOOT.
IT HAS TO BE MAPPED. YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY OUT THERE WATCHING.
>> WE USUALLY STATE, FOR A FIRE PIT [BACKGROUND]
>> WE TALKED ABOUT CAMPFIRES AND SOCIAL FIRES.
>> MAYBE 201 JUST NEEDS TO STAY ON TOPIC WITH FIRES
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AND CERTAIN FIREWORKS [OVERLAPPING].>> IT'S A REQUIREMENTS NOT APPLIED TO SOCIAL FIRES, BARBECUE, CAMPFIRES, ETC AS LONG AS SOCIAL FIRE IS SMALL [INAUDIBLE].
>> IF WE CAN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT SAYS [INAUDIBLE].
>> YOU SAY SMALL, YOU SAY EVEN, YOU SAY LARGE.
>> I WAS TELLING JUSTIN, I HAD A GUY CALL IN [INAUDIBLE].
>> NO, THAT'S NOT A FIRE [OVERLAPPING] FROM OUTER SPACE [OVERLAPPING]
>> IN SECTION 3, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT SMALL, WE JUST PUT THREE FEET.
>> I'M GOING THROUGH IT ON MY PHONE. I HAVE THE ORDINANCE AND EVERYTHING THAT I CAN SEND OVER THAT SHOWS ALL THIS STUFF.
I WANT TO GET A CLEANED-UP COPY BEFORE I SUBMIT [INAUDIBLE].
REALLY, WE'VE GOT ONE, WE'VE GOT PRIMITIVE TIRES, YOU CAN BURN RUBBISH AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT WITHIN 250 FEET OF ANY STRUCTURE.
>> DELETE THAT, OR DO WE WANT TO PROHIBIT ALL? [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK WE SHOULD REVIEW THIS WHOLE THING. I'M JUST SAYING [INAUDIBLE].
>> MERV, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ALLOWED THIS?
>> WE HAVE NOT. FIRE PITS NOW, PEOPLE BURN FIRE PITS IN THEIR BACKYARD.
>> NO, WE DON'T ALLOW ANY BURNING.
>> IT'S USUALLY SHUT DOWN BY THE COUNTY.
[INAUDIBLE] WE SEE THAT COME ACROSS WHATEVER SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM THAT YOU HAVE ON THERE.
BUT IT'S EITHER ONE WAY I WILL THROW THIS OUT THERE, ONE WAY THAT THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT IS WITH THE FREE BY WHATEVER WE DECIDE, SO THEY'LL THROW A GRILL OVER THE TOP OF IT.
>> AS LONG AS THEY'RE WITHIN THE SIX FEET?
>> THERE'S NEVER BEEN A SIZE. WE'LL SAY FIVE FEET, WHATEVER IS REASONABLE.
I THINK FIVE FEET IS REASONABLE.
>> BUT THERE'S THE REQUIRED AND INTENDED, AND THAT WAY, THEY'RE MAKING SOMEBODY RESPONSIBLE AND HAVE A FIRE HOSE AVAILABLE.
>> I WILL TELL YOU I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN REQUIRED, THERE HAS BEEN AN AGREEMENT, THAT HAS TURNED UP SOMEBODY'S HOUSE UNDER THE GUISE, AND EVERYTHING, BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS NOT PAYING ATTENTION.
>> MAYBE WE WANT TO PUT THE MARK THAT HAS SOME LANGUAGE [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT CONSTRUCTION, PS.
WE'LL MAKE IT TO BE 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE HOUSE.
>> BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT LOGICALLY, MY GRILL IS UNDERNEATH.
>> NOW, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, WE CAN'T REGULATE EVERYTHING.
THEY CAN PUT IT IN THE HOUSE IF THEY WANT TO.
WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
>> I HAVE MAYBE A SILLY QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SPECIAL-USE AREAS WE HAVE.
IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE PLACE ON THE CORNER OF SYCAMORE AND PARKER CHANGED FROM RESIDENTIAL TO SPECIAL USE?
>> THAT WAS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THAT'S NOT SPECIAL ACTIVITIES.
>> THEY WOULD BE THEN PROHIBITED FROM FIREWORKS AND FIVE-FOOT PITS? PERFECT.
>> THAT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
>> THEN JOE, I GUESS YOU AND I ARE GOING TO TRY AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
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>> WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, WE'VE CONSIDERED IT, AND WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT WE WOULD TAKE ON TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT HANDLES, OR THE 201 AND/OR 244 AS NECESSARY.
NOW WE'RE NOT REALLY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ACCEPTING WORK, [LAUGHTER] AGAINST MY BETTER [INAUDIBLE].
>> BUT IT PROBABLY WON'T BE DONE UNTIL OCTOBER. WE'RE MOVING ON.
>> WAS THERE A [INAUDIBLE], OR WHAT WAS THE ACTION ON THAT?
>> THE ACTION ON THAT IS WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> SHE WAS GOING TO SEND AN ORDINANCE EXAMPLE.
JOE AND I WILL FIND AND LOOK AT THIS IN DETAIL AND SEE WHAT WE CAN RECOMMEND TO YOU, TOO.
[3. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL’S REFERRAL OF THE SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT ORDINANCE TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING (P&Z) COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR UPDATE/REVISION. [2025 0401 CC Review Referral]]
DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL'S REFERRAL OF THE SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT ORDINANCE TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING UNDER FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR UPDATE/REVISION.>> DO YOU HAVE A MAP? I REALLY DON'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL PLAT, BUT THE CONCEPT WITH THE CHANGE IN THE ZONING TO SOUTHFORK, BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS.
IT'S AN OLD ONE, BUT DO WE HAVE THE NEW ONE TO HELP SEE WHERE WE'RE AT?
>> WE'RE NOT DONE WITH THE ENGINEERING ON THAT YET, SO WE DON'T HAVE A PLAT.
WE HAVEN'T EXPLORED ALL THAT YET, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OFFICIAL CHANGE.
COUNCIL AGREED TO THE CONCEPT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OFFICIAL YET ON THAT.
>> BASICALLY, WHAT WE HAVE NOW, THIS IS ON ITEM 3, WE'VE GOT A SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT ORDINANCE, WHICH IN THIS CASE, IS SPECIFIC TO SOUTHFORK, CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE?
>> BASICALLY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS TO SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE STILL, IF WE NEED TO MAKE CERTAIN CHANGES TO IT.
>> I THINK THE QUESTION IS BECAUSE COUNCIL AGREED TO ALLOW THEM, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD HOUSES ON PART OF IT, AND PART OF IT IS GOING TO REMAIN A SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT, THE SIZING CHANGED OF THE SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT.
IT MAY NOT BE COMPLIANT WITH WHAT OUR ORDINANCE SAYS.
WE WANT TO REVISE THAT SO [INAUDIBLE].
>> CAN WE REZONE THE COUNT, THE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO OUTSIDE OF THE SAV? DOES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE?
>> I THINK THAT HAS BEEN REDONE.
>> THEN IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE ACTIVITY?
>>YES. BUT I THINK THE PROBLEM IS [OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH, BUT THE SIZE OF THE SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT THAT'S LEFT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE SIZE REQUIREMENT FOR A SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT.
>> WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE REQUIRED ONE?
>> MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ON THAT, BECAUSE WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THAT ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAT OF AREA AND EVERYTHING,
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WE'VE GOT, I'M GOING TO CALL THEM SETBACKS AND BUFFER AREAS WHERE THEY BASICALLY ARE JUST IDENTIFIED AS DON'T DO ANYTHING HERE.DON'T GET TOO CLOSE TO EVERYTHING.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE CAN HAVE A FARMER'S MARKET, WE CAN HAVE A DINNER PLAYHOUSE, WE CAN HAVE 50 ROOMS OR HOTELS, WE CAN HAVE CONFERENCE FACILITIES, TENNIS CLUB, AND GOLF COURSES, AUTO SHOWS.
WE CAN HAVE RETAIL ON THE FRONT HERE.
WE CAN HAVE UP TO THREE RESTAURANTS.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF YOU CAN DO HERE IN SOUTHFORK, BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE SIZE HERE OF THIS, EXCEPT THE STRUCTURES ARE NOT TO EXCEED 15,000 SQUARE FEET IN AREA.
>> IN OUR CURRENT SPECIAL ACTIVITY ZONING DISTRICT, IT SAYS THE ACREAGE OF A SPECIAL ACTIVITY DISTRICT SHALL NOT BE LESS THAN 175 ACRES.
I THINK THE PORTION THAT'S LEFT IS LESS THAN.
>> IS THIS A MATTER OF CHANGING THAT NUMBER?
>> I DON'T KNOW. DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THE NUMBER, AND WOULD WE WANT TO GIVE SOUTHFORK A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, OR HOW DO WE WANT TO HANDLE THAT I THINK IS THE QUESTION.
>> WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY AN EXCEPTION IF THIS ZONING ORDINANCE IS ONLY FOR SOUTHFORK.
>> RIGHT, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY DISTRICT ZONING HERE IN OUR COURT OF ORDINANCES, THE 175. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, THE QUESTION IS THAT IS SOUTHFORK A SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT ANYMORE? THAT'S ONE THING. [OVERLAPPING] YOU BASICALLY SAID, NO, CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE.
>> I KNOW, BUT HERE'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, THE OPTIONS ARE SOUTHFORK NOW DOES NOT MEET THE DEFINITION OF SPECIAL ACTIVITIES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ONLY IN SIZE, BUT IT NO LONGER MEETS THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS, SO THEREFORE, IT HAS TO BE COMPLETELY REDONE OR REAPPLIED FOR OR SOMETHING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE STANDARD ANYMORE.
>> THE ONLY CHANGE IS THE SIZE.
IT STILL HAS COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IN ALL THE OTHER PARTS OF IT.
>> I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU EITHER CAN IT OR YOU CHANGE THE SIZE.
>> OR ARE YOU ASKING FOR MORE WORK? [LAUGHTER]
>> NO, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, IS THERE ANY ISSUE WITH YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THE HOUSES ALL AROUND NOW? NOW, DO WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE BUFFER BUILT?
>> HOW DOES IT WORK? IS IT JUST HALF OF IT NOW IS HOUSING, AND HALF OF IT?
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S HALF AND HALF. [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO, THE SECTION OF HOUSING IS 151.316 ACRES ON THE EAST SIDE OF HOGGE ROAD, AND SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS. I'M TRYING TO FIND THAT RIGHT NOW.
>> BUT RELATIVELY, WE CAN STILL SAY, THIS AREA IS MOST RESIDENTIAL AND THIS AREA IS [INAUDIBLE].
>> WELL, NO, IT SHOULD BE CLEARLY DEFINED.
THERE SHOULD BE A LINE CLEARLY DRAWN.
>> I WOULD ASSUME WHEN THEY BUILD THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, THEY STILL HAVE TO OBSERVE THE BUFFERING THAT WE REQUIRE.
>> THERE'LL BE SETBACKS AND ALL THAT. ALL THAT WILL BE THERE.
>> I THINK IT SHOULD BE [INAUDIBLE].
>> WELL, HERE'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
RIGHT NOW, YOU'VE GOT THIS BIG PARCEL OF LAND, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF OPEN SPACE AROUND THERE, AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO START CROWDING HOUSES AROUND HERE.
NOW, IF YOU HAVE CONCERTS, PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY BEEN THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THIS STUFF.
THEY HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR.
>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT ABOUT DALLAS NORTH AIRPORT, TOO, UNTIL THEY CLOSED THAT GATE.
YOU PUT YOUR HOUSE AROUND AN AIRPORT, OH, WE CAN'T HAVE THE AIRPORT ANYMORE. THEY HAVE TO CLOSE IT IN.
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>> BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S THE CITY'S ISSUE PER SE IF [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO, BUT I REMEMBER WHEN THEY BUILT ESW OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
THEN EVERYONE BUILDS HOUSES AROUND IT, AND THEY START COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NOISE.
THEN THE AIRPLANES NOW HAVE TO LOOP THE LOOPS AND EVERYTHING IN ORDER TO AVOID MAKING TOO MUCH NOISE.
WE KNOW IT'S ALL GOING TO HAPPEN, AND THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, WHEN YOU DOWNSIZE THIS THING, WHEN YOU DOWNSIZE THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY DISTRICT AND YOU BUFFER, START PUTTING THE CONES AROUND IT, ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE EVERYONE SAD WITH THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY?
>> THEN THE OTHER THING IS IF THAT COULD BE DONE, THEN THERE NEEDS TO PROBABLY BE REITERATED SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT I THINK HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM WITH LATE-NIGHT NOISE THAT STOPS AFTER TWELVE OR ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, NOISE THAT EXCEEDS THE DECIBEL LEVEL, AND EVERYTHING.
AS I UNDERSTAND, THAT'S BEEN A BIT OF A [INAUDIBLE].
>> ANOTHER THING WE WANT TO CONSIDER IS [INAUDIBLE] CANNOT BE REFLECTED BACK ON THE FOLKS THAT HAVE THEIR HOME BUILT. [INAUDIBLE]
>> THAT'S ONE THING WE WANT TO CONSIDER WHEN THIS COMES UP AGAIN.
>> YES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 3.
>> NOW THEY'RE SAYING IN THE EVENT AREA, THE SPECIAL ACTIVITIES AREAS IS 37 ACRES.
YEAH, 180, 888. >> [INAUDIBLE].
>> YEAH. THE EVENT AREAS WELL ON THEIR PROPOSAL.
THE DOWN 30 S WHICH IS THE SIDE OF THE COUNTRY CLUBHOUSE AREA.
>> WHICH IS THE MANSION AND THE EVENT CENTER AND THE PARKING LOT?
>> WHAT ABOUT THE PLACE WHERE THEY BE RADIO NOW, IS THAT STILL THERE? WHAT PART OF?
>> THIS IS NOT IN THIS PROPOSAL.
>> WELL, THERE'S A SMALL RADIO ARENA BEHIND THE EVENTS OF THE EVENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DID THEY RIGHT THERE BEHIND.
>> WELL AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHERE THIS CAME UP AND THOSE ACREAGE AND WHATNOT THAT CAME UP.
REMEMBER, THIS IS THE SAME ORGANIZATION.
THE ORGANIZATION THAT'S BUILDING THE HOUSES ALSO OWNS SOUTH FORK RANCH.
WE JUST NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF SOME ORDINANCES, SO THAT, WHEN THE PEOPLE BUY THE HOUSE, THE DEVELOPER, DOESN'T LET THEM DOWN.
>> WELL, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT WHOEVER OWNS THAT NOW, IS NOT NECESSARILY THE COMPONENT IN THE FUTURE.
>> NOT NECESSARILY. YOU KNOW HOW? THAT'S CORRECT.
>> I KNOW HOW TO AND THAT'S HOW WAS.
>> THEY MAY THEY MAY HANG ON TO THE EVENT AREA FOR A LIT WHILE, BUT THAT WILL LIKE TO SELL AT SOME POINT WHEN IT'S PROFITABLE TO DO IT.
[INAUDIBLE] ABOUT MY HOUSE AND BOARD GOING TO GO TO THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE.
IT'S REALLY ABOUT PROTECTING THE FUTURE OF THAT WHOLE TRACT OF LAND, I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT, AN OPPORTUNITY.
I THINK WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT BECAUSE IF IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 175 ACRES AND 37, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT POTENTIAL ALLOWABLE THINGS MAYBE AREN'T APPROPRIATE ANYMORE.
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I DON'T REMEMBER HIS PRESENTATION WELL ENOUGH TO RECALL WHAT THE CONCEPT WAS.OBVIOUSLY, WE SHOULD WORK WITH THEM.
I GUESS, I'M NOT SURE WHERE TO START, BUT I THINK WE DO HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO REVIEW THIS AND IT SHOULD BE ADJUSTED CONSIDERING THAT SONG THERE'S A REQUIREMENT ON HERE FOR 40 PERCENT OPEN SPACE.
>> YEAH, I MEAN, THE, THIS THING WAS SUPPOSEDLY SET UP SO THAT THEY COULD MANUFACTURE PRODUCTS AND ALL THAT.
>> THAT'S NOTHING WE SHOULD BELIEVE.
>> WELL, YOU HAVE TO DO, BUT ALSO, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE WHOLE ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, A FARMER THERE? I MEAN, 50 ROOM, THREE RESTAURANTS, 50 ROOM, THE HOTEL, EVERYTHING.
YOU'RE BASICALLY GOING TO HAVE TO CUT THIS WAY DOWN.
>> THAT'S NOT THE WAY THEY DESCRIBE EVERYTHING.
I PERSONALLY FIND THE FARMERS MARKET.
>> I JUST [OVERLAPPING] YOU CAN LOOK AT THE LIST OF ALL THE STEIN [INAUDIBLE].
>> [INAUDIBLE] WHAT THEY DESCRIBED WAS.
>> BUT I ASSUME NUMBER THREE, THE REFERRAL FROM THE CITY COUNCIL IS NOT JUST I DON'T THINK THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT 413.
I MEAN, I THINK 413 NEEDS TO BE RE LOOKED AT, BUT THEY ALSO THE 175 ACRE IS 156.36.
THAT NEEDS TO BE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY MEANT THAT, OR THEY MEANT 413.
>> I JUST SAY YOU'RE ALL A CONCEPT HERE.
>> LET'S T THIS UP AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO? I'M GOING TO KNOW THAT FOR REVIEW OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A PROVISION.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO TO ALL THAT. REVISING HERE.
I GUESS THE QUESTION BECOMES, DO WE START TALKING ON, WE TAKE THIS UP AS A SEPARATE AGENDA. I THINK WE UNDERSTAND.
>> IS THIS A WORKSHOP? I'M NOT SURE HOW DO WE WORK ON.
>> I THINK WE CAN JUST CALL A SPECIAL MEETING.
WE CAN SIT HERE GO THROUGH ALL THE DOCUMENTS READY FOR US AND SAY [INAUDIBLE] WELL, WE THINK WE NEED TO MAKE AS.
WE START THAT WAY. IF WE NEED TO GET SMALLER, [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE FOR ALL OF US TO [INAUDIBLE].
I HAVE ONE MEETING TO START AND THEN BREAK OUT TO SOMETHING.
>> CAN YOU TELL US THE FIRST TIME TO DISCUSS THIS PLAN FOR [INAUDIBLE]?
>> MEETING AT CITY COUNCIL, I'M SURE I HAD NOTES FROM THERE.
>> YEAH, I GOT THAT NOTES FROM THAT.
>> WHOSE [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] JUST E-MAIL US THE CONCEPTUAL IDEA, IT'S CONCEPT, AT LEAST LETS US KNOW WHERE THE NEW ZONING IS THAT WAS APPROVED.
I THINK THAT, IF I'M REMEMBERING FROM CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, I REALIZE WE DO HAVE TWO ISSUES.
WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE WHERE IT MENTIONS THE 175 AND THIS SPECIAL ACTIVITIES DISTRICT, BUT I THINK THE CONCERN WAS THAT IT'S IN VIOLATION OF THAT NOW.
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>> I THINK WAS VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION LIKE, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO IF ONCE [INAUDIBLE]?
>> WELL, NOW, YOU DO YOU HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST? [LAUGHTER]
>> WE WANT TO SCHEDULE A [OVERLAPPING].
>> I THINK WE CAN JUST A SCHEDULE A MEETING FOR ACTUALLY, JUST FOR THAT ITEM SO THAT WE CAN GET OUR ARMS AROUND IT AND THEN DETERMINE HOW MUCH WE BREAK DOWN A SMALL GROUP AFTER EVERYBODY [INAUDIBLE].
>> ARE WE GOOD? ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT? WE'RE MOVING ON TO NUMBER FOUR.
[4. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL’S REFERRAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN ADDITION TO THE ZONING CODE FOR COMMERCIAL/RETAIL ZONING TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING (P&Z) COMMISSION FOR RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT AND RECOMMENDATIONS. [2025 0415 CC Review Referral]]
>> DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL'S REFERRAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN ADDITION TO ZONING CODE TO COMMERCIAL RETAIL ZONING TO THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION FOR RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK WHAT THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN YEARNING FOR A WHILE, I THINK, AND THAT IS THAT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, THIS WHOLE QUESTION ABOUT, YOU HAVE A RETAIL [INAUDIBLE] SOMETHING SO YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE Q IS CLOSER, SO WE HAD 711.
ANYWAY, IT'S IT'S KIND OF A QUESTION THAT KEEPS COMING UP.
I THINK THAT WHEN WE DID THE WHEN WE GOT THE INPUT THE RESIDENCE, WHAT IS THAT KIND OF THE FEEDBACK.
THE QUESTION KIND OF BECOMES, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THAT, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IS LOOK, AT LOOK AT THE LAYOUT OF THE CITY AND DETERMINE IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WHERE WOULD YOU WANT TO DO IT, WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND YOU KNOW.
WE HAVE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT WHICH CAN ACCOMMODATE TAIL.
IF THEY WANT TO COME IN AND IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF AN INVOLVED PROCESS, NOT JUST A BLANKET ZONING FOR IT, THAT HAD TO COME IN KIND OF LIKE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH A PROPOSAL, AND WE COULD REVIEW IT AND LOOK FOR IT AND DECIDE IF IT'S SOMETHING MORE TO DO OR NOT.
>> ARE THERE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT [INAUDIBLE]?
>> THAT'S ACTUALLY COMMERCIAL.
>> [INAUDIBLE] SOMETHING ELSE?
>> WE'LL HAVE COMMERCIAL LOONS, BUT WE HAVE A LITTLE EIGHT ACRE COMMERCIAL TRACK UP THERE BY DEVELOPMENT.
COMING THROUGH, WE COULD DO THAT IN OTHER AREAS THROUGH CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT.
>> OTHER AREAS LIKE ARE THOSE ALREADY? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY'RE NOT SPELLED OUT AS OF TODAY,
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EVERYTHING IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.UNLESS SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH PROPOSAL OR SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT THAT AND.
>> THE ISSUE IS, I HAVE A HOUSE ALREADY HERE AND I HAVE AN EMPTY LIT.
CROSS THE STREET, I COULD SAY.
IF SOMEBODY WANT TO WALMART [LAUGHTER] THAT'S.
>> WELL, AND THAT'S WHY THE PD IS PROBABLY A GOOD WAY TO HANDLE THAT, BECAUSE IT WOULD INVOLVE NOTIFYING ALL NEIGHBORS TO COME IN AND EITHER SUPPORT OR, YOU KNOW, OBJECT TO IT SAY THEY HAVE A.
>> WE WOULD PERMIT THAT, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO PRO.
>> NOT NECESSARILY. IT DOESN'T MEAN BUT THERE'S A PROCESS AS, WE WOULD CONSIDER THERE'S A PROCESS TO ASK FOR IT THAT WAY.
BUT I THINK IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THERE, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN.
NOT THAT I I'VE SEEN THE WAY PARKER DOES THINGS IN THE PAST.
I DON'T SEE THAT ONE I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENED.
I WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE LIKE AN AREA ALONG THIS CORAL ROAD, SOMETHING LIKE I MEAN IF YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU GO DOWN BETSY YOU GO DOWN TEX INTO MURPHY, AND YOU GO DOWN THERE AT THE CORNER OF MURPHY ROADS, I MEAN, THERE'S LIKE THE 711 THERE.
>> I CAN'T PLACE WHERE MY BAG TAKES ALL MY MONEY.
>> YEAH. I MEAN, AND OF COURSE, THAT WAS THERE FOR A LONG TIME, BUT IT KIND OF A CORNER LIKE THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE.
IT'S ALONG THE BIG MAJOR ROAD.
YOU CAN DO THE FOUR CORNERS OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, AND IT AND IT KIND OF MELTS IT.
THERE MAY BE I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, THERE MAY BE SOME PLACES IN CARCAR THAT MAKE SENSE LIKE THAT.
>> I THINK AS WE LOOK AS THEY EXTEND THIS ROAD THROUGH, THERE MIGHT BE SOME AREAS THERE.
THEY WANT TO MAYBE REDONE THE PD AND LIKE PUT IT OUT THERE, THAT PD IS AVAILABLE FOR THAT.
THAT MEANS YOU CAN COME IN AND PROPOSE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE PLAY RESIDENTIAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN [INAUDIBLE]?
I'M NOT TRYING TO INVITE THIS TO MY.
BUT IN YOU WANT TO TRY TO INVITE IT, I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT AS LOAD AS POSSIBLE.
>> YOU'RE ALL INVITED. ASK, WE ALREADY HAVE A LONG LIST OF PERMIT THAT WE'VE ALREADY CONSIDERED TO BE A LONG LIST OF.
>> I THINK FROM A CITY CLAIM PERSPECTIVE, WE NEED TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA WHERE WE WOULD AGREE THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT.
I MEAN, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO PUT IT ON THERE, WE HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE PV OR WHATEVER.
BUT WE NEED TO SAY, WE NEED TO SAY HE ARE THE AREA WE WOULD CONSIDER DOING, TRYING TO [INAUDIBLE].
>> DO YOU KNOW THE OLD SAYING SO GIVEN IT TO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOME CONTROL SINCE NOW WE'RE CALMER, WARMER.
>> I'D LIKE TO SEE THE MAP A SOMETER FUNNY BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T WANT TO PUT THIS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S BEST TO PLAY NICE WITH WHO WANTS TO COME IN IF WE DECIDED SOMETHING WE'D LIKE.
WE SHOULD CONSIDER IT STRONGLY AND ACT ON RIGHT.
THE CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THE DI CLOSE EARLIER, HAVE.
FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, PARKER WHO LIKES THE WAY THEY ARE TODAY WITH THE LARGE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
THEY WANT TO AWAY FROM THE SMALLER ONE ACRE, 1.5 ACRE LOTS AT ONE AND TWO ACRES, RIGHT? THAT SEEMS TO ME GOING AWAY FROM THE COMMERCIAL WE SIDE OF IT, BUT I GET IT.
I'VE NEVER UNDERSTOOD, FOR 22 YEARS NOW, HOW WE'VE MADE IT WITHOUT THE COMMERCIAL.
BUT WE DO. AND I YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS A GENERAL CONCEPT FOR, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE I KNOW WE E SQUARE WE HAD.
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THAT'S A REALLY COOL SHAPE. YEAH.REAR SIT BUT IF YOU HAD THIS HAD THE SQUARE FOOT IN YOUR LIKE WE HAD PUT TO OTHER CITIES, WE TRANSITION SOMEHOW, RIGHT? YEAH. NOW, YOU KNOW, THIS CITY ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET TO THE SIDE TO PUT A WALMART, RIGHT? AND THEN WE BASICALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU PUT HOUSE.
WELL, IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE SMALL STRE SHOPPING CENTER.
Z ZONING LIKE THAT IS DONE BY DESIRABILITY.
YOU PUT THE LESS DESIRABLE STUFF AT THE BOUNDARY OF THE CITY.
SO WHEN YOU START PUTTING THAT STUFF INSIDE YOUR CITY, IS THAT SE YOUR NEIGHBORS YOU PUT IN.
SO DEPEND ON WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING HERE.
IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN A FOUR OFFICE DOCTOR COMPLEX IT'S OPEN FROM 94.
NO, WE DO. AND AND THE STATE ING WE ALL THE ORDINANCE OR WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE.
AND I THINK I THINK WITH PLAN WITH PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING, WE HAVE ENOUGH CONTROL THERE TO DO THAT TO SAY, NO, THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING TO COME IN WITH, SOMETHING NOISY MAKES DUST SMOKE LIKE THAT WERE.
SO WHAT IS THE TASK FOR? THEY THINKING THAT WE NEED? DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS OR ARE WE MOVE WITH PLAN DEVELOPMENT OR DO WE WANT TO MAKE MINOR CHANGES TO ANYTHING OR WE DON'T HAVE ANY ORDINANCE ANYTHING, ANYTHING THAT'S SEPARATE REQUIRE BASICALLY TELLING ME SAY WE WANT TO DO THAT.
A BD PLAN WHEN IF IT COMES IN, SOMEBODY WILL TO DO THAT IS REVIEWED BY MYSELF AND.
MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ST THE RECOMMENDATIONS. YEAH.
AND THERE IS ONE THAT IS ON? YES.
IT IS 156 P35 ALAN PLAN DISTRICT RIGHT NEXT TO.
SO MAYBE YOU DON'T I I I I FEELING LIKE YOU EITHER NEED A LITTLE MORE DIRECTION WHAT IS OR WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY BE SOMETHING VERY QUICK TO WHERE WE SAY A CLIP PV AND MAKE SURE THE D COVER THIS WAS PUT IN D WAS PUT INTO COVER B WHEN WE WENT TO AN EXTENT A COUPLE OF YEARS P.
YOU DON'T REMEMBER THAT WAY YOU WERE HERE.
YEAH. SO SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL WHY DID THEY? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY SEE I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE SEEN THIS.
OH I DON'T KNOW IF THEY SEE PLAN.
SO SO BY THE TIME THEY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO BRING IT HERE, IT WAS TOO LATE TO B THE KNOW ABOUT.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE FEEDBACK FOR THE CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THE PD THAT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY.
GO BACK. IF THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC, THEN WE WILL ADDRESS.
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YEAH, WE DON'T KNOW.WELL, OKAY. DO WE NEED A? WELL, I OKAY.
BEING A LITTLE BIT SILLY BUT IT'S SO LATE? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO REALLY, WHAT WE JUST HAVE IS WE HAVE FEEDBACK BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO SAY, OKAY, WE'VE GOT PLAN DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
IS THAT RIGHT? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE MISSING? THAT.
AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO GO THROUGH.
OKAY. ON NUMBER FIVE, WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF NUMBER FIVE NUMBER SIX ON THE BACK SIDE.
[6. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL’S REFERRAL OF CHAPTER 153 REGARDING SIGNS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION. [2025 0617 CC Review Referral]]
DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL'S REFERRAL OF CHAPTER 153 REGARDING SIGNS TO THE FINING REMMIE FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION.CAN I SAY WHAT'S THE ISSUE HERE? I BELIEVE POLITICAL SIGNS? ISN'T THERE ALREADY AN ARGUMENT? THERE IS, BUT DO WE WANT TO TAKE ANY FURTHER ACTION ABOUT THAT? WE WANT TO ADD TO IT LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS THEY I HEAR DURING THE ELECTION BECAUSE DURING ELECTION TIME THEY COME WITH THIS Y AND I DON'T CARE. BUT BE NICE OR DO WE WANT TO MAKE A ZONE A WHICH SIGN? YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT.
OKAY. I REMEMBER THAT A TOO CLOSE TO THE ROAD AND THERE'S A VISIBILITY PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE COME IN AND OUT OF OF CITY HALL.
AND WE REALLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PROBLEM MAYBE WE GO A WHITE STRIP AND PUT A SIGNS THAT WHITE STRIKE WITH WHAT F FROM THE CURVE.
AND HONESTLY, IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT RIDICULOUS.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE COMPETING SIGNS WITH, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO PUT UP 27 SIGNS.
I'M GOING TO PUT UP 28 FROM YEAH, YOU KNOW, AND I'M GOING TO MAKE MY SIGNS A FOOT BIGGER.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT JUST WE PROBABLY NEED SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT REASONABLE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE FOUR SIGNS PER CANDIDATE OR SOMETHING.
SIGNS. THERE'S THE SIZE OF THAT.
THEY'RE LIMITED TO THE SIZE IS I THINK 32 SQUARE FOOT.
WHICH IS THE BIGGER ONE THEY CALL THE K THAT SIZE.
I CAN'T FIND THIS IN PACKET MY RIB IT.
THERE'S ALREADY A SETBACK REQUIREMENT, CORRECT? FROM THE ROADWAY OR SOMETHING.
THEY DON'T WANT ABIDE BY. WELL, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE ISSUE.
WELL, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO FOR POLITICAL SIGN SPECIFICALLY, DURING ELATION TIME UP HERE AT CITY HALL, LET'S SAY TEN FOOT OFF THE ROE, TEN FOOT OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, OR WHATEVER, FOR YOU LIMITED TO AND MAYBE YOU'RE LIMITED TO FOUR SIGNS, NOT 400.
AND MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE B REASON.
OKAY. AND THEN WE DO THE PAINTING STRIKES WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT TO STAY OUT OF THOSE AREAS.
AND THEN IT'S EASIER TO IMPORT.
I TEND TO THINK THOUGH I HAVE WE HAVE TO BE MOTIVATED BY SAFETY, RIGHT? TEN FEET.
I THINK THAT'S GOOD. BUT I THINK IF YOU LIMIT THE NUMBER AS LONG, IT'S LESS ABOUT SAFETY.
WELL, HERE'S ONE OF MY QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD HAVE THAT WHEN I GO TO VOTE AT COLLEGE TOWNE, WHAT HAVE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE I KNOW I KNOW WHEN I GO VOTE AT THE LIBRARY IS DON'T TEND TO A THERE ARE SIGNS EVERYWHERE.
AND I JUST I GO COLLEGE TO VOTE, AND THEY'RE SIGNINGS THAT THEY'RE NOT IT'S NOT RIDICULOUS.
WELL, WE HAVE THE BLACK STRIDE OUT THERE, WHICH IS THE LEGENDARY, YOU GOT TO STAY OUT OF THAT AREA, AND THEY CAN'T PUT ANY SIGNS IN THERE, BUT THEY SIGNS EVERYWHERE OUTSIDE.
I THINK WE NEED. SOMEBODY GOES OUT THERE.
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WE DO SQUARE FOOT CLOSE TO THE ENTRANCE.A DISTANCE FROM THE FENCE AND FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THE SIGN FOR SAFETY.
WE SEE THE REASON WHY I DON'T LIKE THAT IS BECAUSE WHAT IS THE RIGHT NUMBER? SO WHY DO WE NOT BIT ARBITRAR? I THOUGHT YOU KNOW WHY.
BUT YOU'RE CORRECT. IT IS ARBITRARY.
WHY DO WE BECAUSE FIRST GUY GOES OUT THERE AND OUT THERE.
I SIDE. MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY WHILE THEY DO THE SIGNS OUT IS ALSO DIFFICULT BECAUSE WHEN WE GO MOW THAT, IT'S I DON'T THINK YOU CAN.
IT'S HARD LONG HOW LONG CAN THEY PUT OUT OR THE TWO WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME? I. I THINK IT'S TWO WEEKS AHEAD.
YEAH. SO YOU DON'T NEED SOMETIMES WE HAVE.
WHAT THE GUYS DO NORMALLY THEY PULL SIGNS UP, PUT THEM BACK TO TAKE PICTURES AND PUT THEM BACK TO THE SAME SPOTS.
ACTUAL WORK FOR THE GUYS. THAT'S. YEAH.
THAT ALL CLAN WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES.
I DON'T KNOW I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF LEGALLY, YOU CAN LIMIT THE NUMBER.
I DON'T I I JUST DON'T THERE MAY BE SOME YOU CAN'T.
BUT SURELY, FOR SAFETY, WE CAN LIMIT THE LOCATION. RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY I SAID EVERYTHING S TO BE SAFETY.
THIS IS WHY WE DON'T WANT TO LIMIT POLITICAL SPEECH UNLESS THERE? NO. I AGREE I AGREE WITH THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO BE FIRST AMENDMENT VIOLATION OF ANYTHING.
LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE TO SQUARE FOOTAGE OF SIGNAGE PER CANDIDATE.
THAT WOULD BE THE SAME THING AS LIMITING THE NUMBER OF SIGNS.
ONE BIG SIGN OR YOU HAVE FOR? YES.
OKAY. I'D LOVE TO SEE IT, BUT I I KIND OF AGREE WITH WAWA.
NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU PUT IT IN THE RIGHT PLACES SO NO PROBLEM.
YEAH. AND IT'S A FIRST COMES OVER GETS THERE FIRST PUTS THEIR SIGNS UP AND EVERYBODY ELSE PUTS THEIRS.
USUALLY PUT THEM RIGHT ON THE EDGE OR THEY PUT THEM IN EVERYBODY I AGREE I CHAOS WEEKS.
WHAT'S THE ACTUAL WE GOT HERE? REFERRED A MARKED REQUEST. NOT JUST.
AND SHE MAY SHE ANNOUNCED THAT SHE ALSO REFERRED TO WHEN I'M HERE.
I'M THE PASSER CHARGE ACROSS THE STREET AND YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE IT ON M K AND I'M HERE TO WORK WITH MISS A BODY TO COME UP WITH A TASTEFUL ORDINANCE THAT REPS AND THE OTHER FEATURE.
MARQUES. IN PARTICULAR, WE CAN NO LONGER FIND LIGHTS FOR OUR MARQUES, AND SO OUR OPTION IS TO GO TO LE AND, YOU KNOW, I READ ANYTHING TODAY, BUT WE HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH AND WE'VE TALKED TO HEARING.
AND THERE ARE NO ORDINANCES OTHER THAN NO FLASHING LIGHTS OR NO LIGHTS.
SO THIS SITS DOWN TO THIS SITS DOWN TO COMES OF COMMON SYST.
OKAY. YOU HAVE BY THE MARQUIE SIDE, YOU MEAN THE ONE YOU PUT THE LETTERS ON, NO.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW. RIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I MEAN TO SAY.
AND YOU PUT LIGHTS ON A NIGHT OR WHATEVER S VISION.
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OKAY. SO NOW NOW WE GO TO, YOU KNOW, FAST FORWARD 25, 30 YEARS.NOW WE HAVE LED, RIGHT? SO, WE COULD TAKE TAKE OUR BOBS OUT AND WE CAN REPLACE THEM WITH LED BULBS, RIGHT? OR WE CAN JUST PUT THE BULBS IN THE SIGNS SO THAT THE SIGN LIGHTS WOULD BE ABLE TO READ.
WHERE ARE YOU A REALLY LIKE A SCREEN THAT LIKE A SCREEN.
REPLACING IT WITH A DIGITAL SCREEN.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO UP THAT HERE. I'M GOING TO SAY OKAY.
SO WHAT'S WRONG WITH A SIGN THAT SPLIT UP, YOU KNOW, AN LED VISUAL SIGN.
OKAY. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS FAR MORE ANOING.
AND THAT IS LED POLICE AND FIRE.
I MEAN, THEY BLIND YOU AT NIGHT, RIGHT? I DON'T SEE IT MYSELF.
I SEE IT TIME, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK THEY'RE WIDER.
THEY CAN BE THEY CAN ALSO BE THEY COME DOWN.
YEAH. I THINK IF WE CONSIDER SOMETHING ON THAT, WE WOULD NEED TO RESEARCH AND FIND OUT WHAT THE BRIGHTNESS LEVEL SHOULD BE SOME MEASURABLE WAY.
YEAH AND THEN HAVE IT I HAVE A SIGN BY MY HOUSE FOR AUR.
THAT WHEN I LEAVE IN THE MORNING IF IT'S DARK, IT IT RIGHT.
IT'S SUPER BRIGHT. WELL, I MEAN, SOME OF THAT STUFF, YOU CAN TURN IT ALL WHITE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU HAVE THINGS THAT ARE BOUNCING AROUND AND EVERYTHING.
AND YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT.
YOU DON'T WANT SOMETHING WHERE WHERE THE MEASURED BRIGHTNESS IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BE A PROBLEM.
BUT THEN THERE ALSO MAY BE YOU ALSO MAY HAVE SOME KIND OF A RULE ON MESSAGE CHANGING OR SOMETHING OR YOU KNOW, NO SCROLLING TEXT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU CAN CHANGE THE MESSAGE, YOU KNOW, ONCE SCROLLING ME COME IN BY AN ACCIDENT, MAYBE.
YEAH. WELL PRE UP THE DFW VISUAL SIGNS AGAIN, RIGHT? ATMOSPHERE OF DUMB QUESTION.
WOULD A SIGN THAT'S THAT'S NOT COVERED IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES, WOULD THAT NOT BE A VA ISSUE? Z Z.
WHERE THEY THAT DISCUSSION WOULD BE BROUGHT TO THEM AS TO WHY I NEED SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
YEAH. THEN WHAT IT SAYS ON OR THEY THEN THEY SEND IT TO COUNSEL.
IF THEY EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH WHAT MAKES THE DECISION.
DBL MAKE A DECISION AND THEIR DECISION IS PRETTY FINAL, AND IT'S A DENIAL, THEY CAN BE APPEALED.
WHEN IS A DEAL THIS IS? I THINK IT GOES TO COUNTY COUNTY.
SO THEN IT'S OUT OF OUR CONTROL.
OKAY. SO, GETTING BACK TO THIS.
I THINK MODIFIED SIGN IS 2025 PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO BE SITTING THERE PUT LETTERS AND SIGNS BY HAND FOR THE REST OF THE LIS. RIGHT, RIGHT? NOT STANDING. THAT'S RIGHT.
NO STANDING. IF YOU DO IT TASTEFULLY AND EVERYTHING, I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE WE COULD HAVE A CITY OF PARKER MONUMENT SIGN, SAY TO THE CITY, I KNOW, BUT WE COULD HAVE ONE THAT'S THE LIGHTS ALL BURNED UP.
BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING I DISCUSSED THAT IN THE PAST, BUT WE CAN'T DO IT.
I GUESS WE COULD BUT WE NEVER LOOK.
YOU PUT YOU COULD PUT THE FULL COLOR PUCKER AND HAVE IT ALL LIT UP AT NIGHT AND EVERYTHING.
I CAN'T I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY.
I KNOW THERE'S THE TE VARIANCE. I'M SORRY.
LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T BRING ANYTHING TODAY BECAUSE I DIDN'T GO IN.
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WOULD IT STAY PRETTY MUCH AT THE SAME LOCATION? IT WOULD STAY IN THE EXACT SAME LOCATION.THERE'S TWO BRICK FILLS AND WHAT WOULD BE REPLACED, IS THAT MIDDLE PART OF OR YOU'RE STICK IN THE ATHER SO THE SIZE WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME? THE SIZE WOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME.
I MEAN, I HONESTLY THINK WE SHOULD REVISIT THE SIDE.
YEAH. BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN I THINK WE CAN PUT.
WELL, I THINK WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT UP FLASHING, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ABOUT 167 THERE.
I MEAN, NEON, BE VERY TASTEFULLY DONE TOO, IF IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, FLASHING, BUT LIKE NEON, ZENON, RON, WHATEVER YOU WANT.
SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH IS A LOT SAFER.
SO YOU KNOW, I KIND OF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF TAKE CARE OF THAT'S A DIFFERENT IF WE CAN WASH I THE REASON WE'RE BRINGING THIS IS WE HAVE MOVED THE TWO CHURCHES OF C. WE FIRST TO T DEN AND OR CHEF CMIN WE SOLD OUR PROPERTY AND BROUGHT FUNDS WITH US, AND I'M SURE YOU KNOW THIS WHEN ROOK CAME ON.
AND SO WE FINISHED SANCTUARY RENOVATIONS.
WE'RE WORKING ON A PARKING LOT AND A FENCE AND HOPEFULLY HOPE HAVE A SECOND BUILDING AND SOMEONE, BUT WE CAN'T A NEED TO ADVERTISE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND A MARQUEE EVEN ONE EXAMPLE GARDNERS YES, WEAST ADVERTISEMENT REALLY WE HAD ONE EXAMPLE I CAN THINK OF THAT THE CHURCH THAT HAVE THE ONE ON PART.
YES. AND THEN THERE'S THAT UNITARIAN DOWN THE STREET THAT.
AND THE PARKER REEF IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY SCROLL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SOT LIGHT. OKAY? AND SO SOMETHING IN OUR LOCATION NEEDS TO TAKE INTO EFFECT INTO ACCOUNT IF THEY DON'T STOP.
AND SO CONSTANT SCROLLING IS DISTRACTED AND IT'S IN EFFECTIVE.
RIGHT. THAT TALK ABOUT MY BACK.
EXAMPLE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ION PARKING IS HOW THE BLOOD ME.
BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE BLOOD SATURDAY TEN FAIR YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TYPICAL YOU KNOW, WHY YOU WOULD HAVE A MANUAL SIGN DAY NO, A SIGN IS BOTH.
SO I MEAN, I MEAN, I I GET IT.
I I JUST WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING SO I THINK WE NEED TO PUT THAT ON ANOTHER.
WE WANT TO SCHEDULE OR ONE ITEM NEXT WEEK WILL BE HARD ENOUGH TO MAKE SURE WE GOT, WE GET AN AGENDA, WE BACK UP, WE GET IT OUT.
SO YOU MAY WANT TO STAG ON A LITTLE BIT.
WE WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR PUT ON THE IN.
YEAH. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO IT.
NO. WE WE JUST NEED TO WE JUST NEED TO TAKE OF THE CAN ADD ON SOME STUFF THAT I WILL HANDLE.
INSTEAD OF JUST PREVENTING KNOW THESE SIGNS OUTRIGHT,
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FOR NO FAIR REASON, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN ALLOW THEM TO.SO WE HAD A COMMENT AND I DID TELL WE ALREADY PASSED THE ITEM.
BUT HE S HE SAYS THE B BUT I WANT TO SEE OKAY.
I ANOTHER WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS. I'M GOING SOON.
WHAT I SAID WAS MARCOS MARCOS, WE PASS THAT ITEM IN THE AGENDA A LITTLE TOO LATE TODAY FOR THE COMMENT.
THE ITEM IS BEING REFERRED TO THE COUNT TO DO THAT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT ALL DECIDED TO TO.
SO THAT'S WHAT I E MAILED HIM, BUT HE DID END UP E MAILING IS BECAUSE AT FIRST HE DIDN'T ATTACH IT OR PUT IT IN HE JUST SAID THAT HE HAD A PUBLIC COMMENT AND I EMAILED HIM BACK AND SAID, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AN ATTACHMENT, AND THEN HE SENT THIS.
SO HE TOOK SOME LATE BUT ANYWAYS.
YEAH. NUMBER FOUR IS WE THINK THAT THE PROCESS WILL TAKE CARE WE NEED TO KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING.
THERE'S SOMETHING MISSED THAT THEY THINK THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING FROM THE DEFENDANT.
AND ALL THIS CONCERNS SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT RIGHT? THAT'S REMAR CONCERN FOR F. YEAH.
THOSE ARE VALID CONCERNS, BUT THEY'RE NOT.
IF IF WE'RE GOING TO B MIGHT BE OUR CONCERNS FOR DEVELOPER OR D.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, LOT ON THE S SOME OF US HAVE 75 YOU BUY A HOUSE AT? BUY A HOUSE AT THE END OF RES. AM I GET DD W? WHERE IS IT? AT THE END OF RESERVE. OF THE DUBIN ROAD? OH, OH, THAT'S PROBABLY OUT OF MY. COOL 18 MILLION? YEAH. OH. WHAT'S THE ADDRESS? I DON'T KNOW THE ADDRESS BUT YOU DRIVE DOWN RESERVE TO THE END OF YOU CAN'T MISS IT.
DO YOU SEE IT? YOU HAVE THE FINALS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE. DO WE SAY YOU CONSIDER THIS COMMENT OR NOT? WE'RE ATTACHING WE'RE ATTACHING IT TO THE TO THE NOTICE HERE.
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PUBLIC YEAH.WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE TO AT THIS POINT.
I WAS JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP SO WE HAVE IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
WHAT I MEAN IS FOR THE MINUTE.
DO I SAY THAT WERE ATTACHED FOR? THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I DO.
I USUALLY WE THEY DON'T DISCUSS IT BECAUSE IT DO COMMENT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO.
THAT'S YOU KNOW THAT'S HE WAS HERE, HE WAS STANDING UP THERE HERE SO WE WE WOULD NOT OR NOT.
WE HAVE DECISION ABOUT SOMETHING.
ANYWAY, SO WE'RE DONE WITH THAT.
WE'VE GOT SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING COMING UP NEXT WEEK, PROBABLY AS SOON WE GET, RIGHT? AND HE SAID NEXT WEEK THAT REASON TRYING TO GET.
I WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THIS WEEK.
I'VE GOT A MEDICAL B WITH MY WIFE.
OKAY. DO WE DO WHAT WEEKEND IS SEVEN.
I TRIED TO GET A CANS AND HAD IT.
WELL, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE S GARY HAS SOMETHING ELSE ON HIS MIND THAT HE'S THINKING ABOUT.
OKAY. AND I WANT TO SAY THAT AT. YOU DIDN'T GET THOSE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.