>> ANYWAY, WE HAVEN'T SINCE 2021,
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BUT WE DO ATTACH THEM TO THE MINUTES.[NOISE] I HEREBY CALL THE PARKER CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.
[CALL TO ORDER]
IT IS JUNE 17, 2025 AT 6:04 PM.AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY, DO I HAVE A QUORUM?
[EXECTIVE SESSION]
I WILL NOTE WE ARE GOING TO RECESS INTO CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED IN GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.074 PERSONNEL TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT OR DUTIES OF A CITY ADMINISTRATOR.GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.074 PERSONNEL TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT, DUTIES, DISCIPLINE, OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE.
GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.0711, CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY CONCERNING PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION.
GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.0712, CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY ON A MATTER IN WHICH THE DUTY OF THE ATTORNEY TO THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY UNDER THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT OF THE STATE BAR OF TEXAS CLEARLY CONFLICTS WITH THIS CHAPTER, OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
AT THIS TIME, WE ARE IN RECESS.
IT IS 6:06 P.M. [NOISE] I HEREBY
[RECONVENE REGULAR MEETING.]
RECONVENE THE PARKER CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON JUNE 17, 2025.IT IS 7:21 P.M. AT THIS TIME, COUNCIL, I WILL ASK, IS THERE ANY ACTION OR DELIBERATION FROM ANY OF THE EXECUTIVE SUBJECTS LISTED ABOVE?
I WILL ASK IF FRANK DACOSTA WILL LEAD US IN THE AMERICAN PLEDGE AND IF LANETTE WILL LEAD US IN THE TEXAS PLEDGE.
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS.THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS FROM LAURA WALSH.
MY NAME IS LAURA NORMALLY WALSH.
MY HUSBAND, WALSH AND I LIVE AT 623 NORTHBRIDGE PARKWAY IN SOUTHBRIDGE ESTATES.
I'M USING TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS TODAY TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR THE NEW AND IMPROVED NOISE ORDINANCE.
IT'S HARDLY HAS BEEN ALMOST A YEAR SINCE THE CITY COUNCIL FORMED THE NOISE COMMITTEE AT THE JULY 2, 2024 COUNCIL MEETING TO REVIEW CURRENT ORDINANCE.
I VOLUNTEERED ON THE NOISE COMMITTEE TO CONTRIBUTE INSIGHT AND EXPERIENCE RELATED TO NEIGHBOR AND NEIGHBOR NOISE ISSUES.
I ALSO PROVIDED COMMENTS AT THE DECEMBER 3, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO HIGHLIGHT THE NEED FOR CHANGES TO THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
SINCE WE HAD THREE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS SINCE LAST JULY, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PROVIDE A QUICK REMINDER OF WHY THE NOISE ORDINANCE CAME UNDER REVIEW.
IT ORIGINATED WITH MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS ABOUT SOUND ORIGINATING FROM SOUTHFORK RANCH AND CROSS CREEK RANCH.
HOWEVER, MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE EXPERIENCED ISSUES WITH OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS, WHICH CAUSED US TO BECOME MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE CURRENT NUISANCE ORDINANCE AND ITS LIMITATIONS.
SPECIFICALLY, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE HAS DESK FULL LEVELS THAT ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE QUIET NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY OF PARKER.
THE OTHER MAIN ISSUE IS IF THE ORDINANCE RELIES HEAVILY ON DESK LEVEL READINGS RATHER THAN POLICE DISCRETION.
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IN OUR CASE, WE'VE CALLED THE PARKER POLICE PROBABLY SIX OR MORE TIMES SINCE THE FALL OF 2023 TO REPORT NOISE ISSUES WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.THEY'VE BEEN HARASSING US AND INTENTIONALLY DIRECTING MY FRIGHT LIGHTS AND LOUD MUSIC AT OUR MASTER BEDROOM SUITE LATE AT NIGHT AND DURING PREDAWN HOURS.
THE POLICE DRIVE FOR GOOD RESPONSE TIMES BY REPORTING TO CALL SITE QUICKLY, BUT THAT USUALLY MEANS WITHOUT THE SOUND METER.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S ONLY ONE SOUND METER AND IT'S GENERALLY AT THE POLICE STATION.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE A METER WHEN THEY FIRST COME ON SITE, THEN THEY CAN'T TAKE READINGS TO ISSUE OFFENSES FOR THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
THIS IS THE MAIN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CURRENT ORDINANCE DOES NOT ALIGN WELL WITH THE POLICE OBJECTIVE OF OBTAINING GOOD RESPONSE TIMES AND RESOLVING THE ISSUE ON THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE ACCOMPLISHES TWO IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WILL HELP WITH THE NEIGHBOR AND NEIGHBOR NOISE ISSUES AS WELL AS ANYTHING OCCURRING WITH SOUTHFORK OR CROSS BRANCH.
IT ADJUSTS THE DECIBEL LEVELS FOR DAYTIME AND NIGHTTIME HOURS TO A MORE APPROPRIATE LEVEL CONSISTENT WITH NEIGHBORING CITIES AND MORE APPROPRIATE FOR PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES SUCH AS PARKER.
THE SECOND THING IT DOES IS IT GIVES POLICE MORE DISCRETION TO ISSUE VIOLATIONS WITHOUT HAVING TO RELY ON A SOUND METER OR A DECIBEL LEVEL READINGS.
I ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED NOISE ORDINANCE.
>> THANK YOU. SOMEBODY IN LINE? MR. CARDINA.
>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYOR AND [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'M SORRY. WHAT DO I NEED TO RESTATE?
>> 40302 BOB DRIVE HERE IN PARKER.
I WANT TO TALK TO YOU TONIGHT ABOUT THIS NEW ORDINANCE.
IT'S DERIVATIVE FROM TWO OTHER CITIES.
I'D LIKE TO JUST COUPLE WITH A COUPLE OF IDEAS.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE NOISE HAS BEEN A PROBLEM AT TIMES AND IT IS A PROBLEM IN MY HOUSE AS WELL.
WE DID THE BEST WE COULD DO WITH IT AT THAT TIME.
THAT'S ORDINANCE 92.2. THAT CAME ABOUT.
THE COMMITTEE'S GOAL WAS TO CREATE A FAIR AND EQUITABLE CITY ORDINANCE THAT WOULD IMPROVE AND PROTECT THE QUALITY OF THE LIFE OF THE CITIZENS OF PARKER AND STAKEHOLDERS.
WELL, FAIR AND EQUITABLE ARE TERMS THAT HAVE TO BE YET DEFINED.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE ABOUT THE NOISE? LET'S GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.
HOW DID THE COMMITTEE COME CREATE A NEW ORDINANCE AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THIS AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD SHEET OF PAPER.
IT WAS DONE VERY WELL, AND I COMPLIMENT YOU ON THAT.
THE GROUP LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCES OF CITIES IN THE AREA, THAT AT LEAST 10 CITIES, I THINK IT WAS A NUMBER.
PRETTY GOOD NUMBER THAT YOU CONSIDER WORKED WITH THIS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND PROSECUTING ATTORNEY PRIOR TO AND DURING AND AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THE DRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE.
THEN THEY USED THE CITY GARMIN AND ALLEN'S ORDINANCES FOR THE TENANT.
THAT SAYS THE INVITED ITSELF OR BRANCH AND PROSECUTOR BRANCH.
BUT WERE THEY PRESENT? THAT'S THE QUESTION.
DID THEY SHOW UP? THEY WERE THERE.
I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED POSSIBLY YOU HAD THE ATTENDANCE OF THE HAD THEIR ATTENTION.
WELL, ALONG WITH THIS, A LETTER CAME OUT.
ALYSSA TIED TO TERRY OVER OFF THE SYCAMORE.
SHE MADE A COMMENT WHICH I REALLY LIKED.
SHE SAYS HERE, AND I QUOTE HER, EVERY MORNING WE TAKE A WALK.
WE SEE GOATS, CHICKENS, AMONG OTHERS, HORSES AND COWS, LONG WARNS.
HOW MANY PEOPLE TO SAY THAT THAT THEY GET TO SEE THAT THEIR SITS? NOT VERY MANY, AND I THINK WE ALL BOTH KNOW THAT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY VERY GOOD.
SHE'S SAYING SENT SOMETHING THAT MEANS, WHY DO PEOPLE COME TO PARKER? UNIQUELY COUNTRY.
IT'S JUST PART OF BEING IN PARKER.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY MAKE A LOT OF NOISE, BUT I DO KNOW THEY CAN AND THE ANIMALS CAN.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE GETTING ALL OF THAT TWIST OVER.
WHAT'S YOU TALKING ABOUT IN YOUR ORDINANCE HERE? YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SOUND LEVEL.
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SETTING AN ORDINANCE AND ENFORCING THE ORDINANCE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.IF YOU'RE GOING TO ENFORCE IT, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO THEN THE EQUIPMENT HAS TO BE AVAILABLE.
SO THAT SOMEBODY THEY WANT TO RUN THE TEST THEMSELVES TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE LAW BECAUSE THERE'S A PENALTY CLAUSE $2,000.
DON'T YOU THINK THAT'S STEEP? WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE.
IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S RELATED MORE REALISTICALLY TO THE OFFENSE. LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
MY WIFE ASKED ME THIS QUESTION, WHAT IS THE MOST NOISY THING DID WE HEAR? THE TRUCKS ON PARKER ROAD? ARE WE GOING TO TELL THE TRUCK DRIVERS YOU CAN'T COME DOWN PARKER ROAD BECAUSE YOU MAKE TOO MUCH NOISE? I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT THAT IS A NOISE LEVEL THAT IS NOTICEABLE.
BEARING IN MIND, WE'RE NOT RIGHT ON THE CORNER.
WE'RE ROWS OF HOUSES DOWN FROM THE CORNER.
ANYWAY, THERE'S NOISE NUISANCES YOU TALKED ABOUT HERE.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ENFORCE THIS? I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT.
ANIMALS UNREASONABLY DISTURB OR INTERFERE WITH THE USE, COMFORT, AND REPOSE OF NEIGHBORING PERSONS.
IF THE DOG BARKS NEXT DOOR, YOU SHOULD MAKE A COMPLAINT.
I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK YOU PENALIZE THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE A BIG DOG.
NEXT THING HERE IS THE DAYTIME HOURS, THE TIME SCHEDULE THAT YOU SET UP FOR THIS.
THE TIME SCHEDULE IS THE SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE, EXCEPT THAT YOU MADE AN ADJUSTMENT ON THE DV RATINGS.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SIMPLE. WE MADE IT COMPLEX.
IT'S EASY NOW WITH THIS NEW CHANGE THAT YOU MADE HERE.
YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER TOO THAT WHEN PEOPLE MOVE IN AND OUT OF THE OF THE RESIDENCE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE BIG TRUCKS.
I KNOW WE JUST A NEIGHBOR OF OUR THIS HOUSE, AND TRUCKS CAME DOWN THE ROAD AND AND THEY WERE THERE FOR DAYS PARKED IN THE ROADWAY JUST SO THEY COULD GET ALL THE BOXES OUT OF THERE AND IT WAS NOISY.
DID WE COMPLAIN? NO. WE WELCOMED THE NEIGHBORS. WHO WENT OVER ZONE.
WE WERE PRESENT, WELCOMED THEM IN PARKER BECAUSE WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS.
BUT I DID WANT TO JUST MAKE A POINT ABOUT THAT.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE SENSIBLE ABOUT THIS.
THE TRUCK IDLING THING, IT'S A PROBLEM.
THE BIG TRUCKERS THEY LET THOSE TRUCKS IDLE AND IT'S NOISY.
THAT'S TRUE. YOU YOU CITED IVOR.
THE PREEXISTING NOISE AND CREATION MUST BE GRANDFATHERED IN.
PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT PROPERTY HERE, BUT WHAT PARKER BRINGS, THEY HAVE TO BE GRANDFATHERED IN.
YOU CAN'T JUST TELL THESE PEOPLE, YOU CAN'T HAVE DOGS BECAUSE YOUR DOG PARKS TOO MUCH.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME SEMBLANCE OF COMPASSION FOR WHY PEOPLE MOVE HERE.
WHY DID PEOPLE COME TO PARKER? WHY DID I COME TO PARKER? BECAUSE I LOVE THIS AREA.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF A LARGE LOT.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A VERY BIG LOT.
WE GOT ONE ALL OF A SUDDEN DONE.
THE DISTANCE, YOU TALK ABOUT 30 FEET.
THAT'S RIDICULOUS. THAT'S ABSURD.
IT'S NOT 30, IT SHOULD BE 750 FEET, 750 FEET IS 0.13 MILES.
WELL, 0.13 MILES, YOU CAN WALK AND RE RUN THAT.
THE SECONDS, IT'S NOT MINUTES DOWN THE ROAD. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? IT ALLOWS IT TO BE A SEMBLANCE OF DISTANCE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PARKER IS ALL ABOUT.
I THINK WE'RE LOOSING DIRECTION HERE SOMEHOW.
THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMED TO ME. SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY FEET, I WENT OUT, I TOOK A LOOK AT IT AND I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? I LIKE THIS.
IT'S 750 FEET WHEN THE NOISE STARTS.
LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THIS.
WE HAVE A BIG POND IN OUR BACKYARD.
THOSE WHO KNOW OUR HOUSE KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WHEN MY NEIGHBOR IS OUT THERE, FISHING AND TALKING ABOUT THE BAIT THEY WERE GOING TO USE TO CATCH THE BASS, I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEIR BAIT WAS GOING TO BE.
I KNEW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THEIR CASTS BECAUSE I CAN HEAR THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE TWO PEOPLE.
WAS THAT 750 FEET? NO, IT WAS OVER 900 FEET BUT I COULD HEAR BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
YOU LOOK AT THE LAKE AND YOU ON YOUR PROPERTY YOU WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
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I'M JUST GIVING YOU THIS INPUT BECAUSE IT REALLY BOTHERS ME.THAT LOOK LIKE WE DIDN'T CONSIDER THAT PROPERTY WITH 30 PEOPLE.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER.
OUTDOOR EVENTS ARE IMPORTANT TO PARKER, BECAUSE WE DO A LOT OF THINGS, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, MY NEIGHBOR HAD A BIG PARTY FOR THEIR KIDS.
THEY HAD A BIG BOUNCE HOUSE THING. THEY HAD ALL THOSE KIDS OVER.
THEY SAY, I LOVE IT, I LOVE IT.
WE LOVE IT, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.
THAT HAPPENED TWICE. WE JUST SAID, BRING THEM ON.
BRING THE KIDS OUT HERE, LET THEM YELL AND SCREAM AND JUMP UP AND DOWN THE BOUNCE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
BECAUSE IT'S A ONE TIME EVENT AND IT DISAPPEARS RIGHT AFTER IT WAS DONE.
>> MAYOR, WE'VE LIMITED TIME ON THIS.
>> THANK YOU. THE OTHER THING HAS TO DO WITH NOISE GENERATED BY CUTTING LAWNS.
THE LAWN PEOPLE MAKE A LOT OF RACK.
THE MOUNTING OF THE EQUIPMENT IS NOISY.
THAT NOISY EQUIPMENT THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF THESE VTRS.
THEY USE THAT ONE I HATE AND IS SO DARK.
BUT I LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT, HOW LONG ARE THEY GOING TO BE HERE? THEY'RE FAST, AND THEN THEY'RE OUT OF HERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
BUT THE OTHER THING HAD TO DO WITH GENERATORS.
THE GENERATORS ARE VERY VERY NOISY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE PUT THEM. THE GENERATORS.
THEY'RE JUST NOISY. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? IT SURE HELPS WHEN [INAUDIBLE]
>> THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP TO YOU TODAY.
I JUST THINK THE FINE OF $2,000 IS UNABLE, AND I THINK THAT COUNCIL SHOULD RECONSIDER THAT ALONG WITH THE OTHER POINTS I'VE MADE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PARTICULAR TIME.
>> THANK YOU. JORDAN RAMIREZ?E
>> THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME TODAY.
THERE'S NEW FACES WITHIN NEW CITY COUNCIL.
I'VE WORKED WITH BUDDY AND MAYOR LEE FOR PROBABLY THE BETTER PART OF EIGHT MONTHS.
BUT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE HUNDRED ACRES IN PARKER.
IT'S BEEN A LARGELY CONTENTIOUS PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THREE YEARS OR SO.
MY INVOLVEMENT STARTED ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS AGO.
AGAIN, I'LL CLARIFY THAT I'M NOT AFFILIATED WITH JOHN COX OR THE HINES OR ANY PREVIOUS DEVELOPERS.
I WAS AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHERE I SHARED A LOT OF THE DETAILS ABOUT HOW I FELL INTO THIS PROPERTY.
THE PROPOSAL THAT I PRESENTED TO SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE PRIOR COUNCIL, HOPEFULLY, YOU GUYS, IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT, A NEW LAND PLAN.
I BELIEVE IT'S UNIQUELY PARKER IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S FISHING PONDS, IT'S WALKING TRAILS, IT'S PARKS, IT'S MORE GREEN SPACE.
I'VE REALLY SPENT THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS WORKING ALONGSIDE PEOPLE LIKE BUDDY, PEOPLE LIKE MAYOR LEE, CAROLYN MOBIUS WHO WAS FIERCELY AGAINST THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, STUART MATTHEWS WHO'S THE ATTORNEY FOR THE GREATER LANE RESIDENTS, AND THEN, SEVERAL OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
OBVIOUSLY, I CAN'T GO INTO DETAILS WITHIN THREE MINUTES.
BUT WITHIN THAT, THE GOAL HAS BEEN TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT ALL PARTIES COULD LIVE WITH IN A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S MORE IN LINE WITH THE VISION THAT I'VE OUTLINED, THE LAND PLAN THAT I'VE OUTLINED.
WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THAT I THINK THAT WHAT'S GONE BAD ABOUT THIS LAND IN THE PAST IS THERE'S BEEN A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND A LACK OF INTEGRITY IN THE WAY IT'S BEEN CARRIED OUT.
I WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.
I KNOW THAT WITH THE NEW CITY COUNCIL, THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS ON YOU ALL'S AGENDA EARLY ON.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR THREE YEARS.
THERE'S A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY ON THE TABLE TO BROKER PIECE BETWEEN ALL PARTIES.
I'M HOSTING A TOWN HALL AT SOUTHFORK RANCH NEXT WEDNESDAY AT 7:00.
IT'LL BE CIRCULATED AMONGST ALL THE FACEBOOK GROUPS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMUNICATION CHANNELS.
I WILL ALSO BE SHARING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT'S ON THE TABLE BEFOREHAND.
I WOULD LOVE FOR EVERYONE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, ASK QUESTIONS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT I STAND BY WITH MY WORD.
GREAT CONDITIONS CITY D ALLOW FOR EVERYONE TO LAY DOWN THEIR ARMS AND COME TO A SOLUTION FOR THE 100 ACRES.
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I'M A REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS PROJECT.I HAVE THE AUTHORITY ON THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, JORDAN. TERRY LYNCH.
>> TERRY LYNCH 5809, MIDDLETON DRIVE.
I'D LIKE TO SHARE MY CONCERNS REGARDING THE PROPOSED NOISE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS COMMITTEE ORIGINALLY FORMED TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE FROM SOUTHFORK RANCH.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE SCOPE OF THIS EFFORT HAS EXPANDED WELL BEYOND THAT ADDITIONAL PURPOSE.
WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED NOW READS AS THOUGH RESIDENTS MUST CONFORM TO A SET OF RIGID RULES ENFORCED BY THE CITY RATHER THAN BEING GUIDED BY REASONABLE STANDARDS THAT RESPECT INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS ORDINANCE BASED ON THE FOLLOWING POINT.
THE PROPOSAL WOULD CHANGE THE DAYTIME HOURS FROM 6:00 A.M. TO 11:00 P.M. TO 7:00 A.M. TO 10:00 P.M.
I OPPOSE THIS BECAUSE IT WOULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT HOMEOWNERS AND CONTRACTORS WHO RELIED ON EARLY MORNING START TIMES, ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER, TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THEIR WORKERS.
TIMELY PROJECT SCHEDULING AND QUALITY, SUCH AS CONCRETE THAT MUST BE POURED EARLY TO CURE PROPERLY.
DELIVERIES AND SERVICES LIKE SOD, STONE, OR MOVING TRUCKS, WHICH OFTEN ARRIVE EARLY TO SUPPORT EFFICIENT WORK SCHEDULES.
RESIDENTS' ABILITY TO ENJOY THEIR HOMES, ESPECIALLY IN THE EVENING HOURS, POSTING OUTDOOR GATHERINGS OR SIMPLY RELAXING ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
THE ORDINANCE PROPOSES LIMITS OF 65 IN THE DAY AND 58 AT NIGHT.
THERE'S NO DOCUMENTED RATIONALE IN THE ORDINANCE WHERE THESE NUMBERS WERE DERIVED.
RESEARCH SHOWS EXPOSURE TO 70 DECIBELS IS GENERALLY SAFE FOR UNLIMITED PERIODS OF TIME.
MOST RESIDENTS ALSO HAVE NO WAY OF MEASURING OR UNDERSTANDING DECIBEL LEVELS, WHICH MAKES COMPLIANCE ARBITRARY AND CONFUSING.
USING CITY STAFF TO ENFORCE THIS ORDINANCE CREATES SEVERAL PROBLEMS. IT PLACES AN UNNECESSARY BURDEN ON CITY RESOURCES.
IT OPENS THE DOOR TO SUBJECTIVE COMPLAINTS WHERE A HANDFUL OF INDIVIDUALS COULD TIE UP STAFF TIME WITH MINOR OR UNSUBSTANTIATED ISSUES.
THE RISK TURNING NEIGHBORLY DISPUTES INTO CITY CODE VIOLATIONS, WHICH IS NOT IN THE SPIRIT OF OUR COMMITTEE.
PARKER HAS ALWAYS PRIDED ITSELF ON BEING UNIQUELY COUNTRY, A PLACE THAT VALUES PERSONAL FREEDOM, NEIGHBORLY COOPERATION, AND LIMITED GOVERNMENT INVOLVED IN OUR DAILY LIVES.
THIS ORDINANCE IN ITS CURRENT FORM MOVES US IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
I ASK YOU TO RETURN TO THE FOCUS OF THE ORIGINAL CONCERN, SPECIFIC ISSUES AT SOUTHFORK RANCH, RATHER THAN ADOPTING BROAD RULES THAT AFFECT THE ENTIRE CITY AND LIMIT THE FREEDOM OF ALL RESIDENTS.
PLEASE CONSIDER MY COMMENTS AND VOTE NO ON THIS ORDINANCE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, TERRY. AMANDA MEL
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I'M SORRY, AMANDA MEL, 4327 NOS DRIVE IN PARKER, TEXAS.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY DEEP CONCERN REGARDING THE PROPOSED NOISE ORDINANCE THAT IS SLATED FOR TONIGHT'S COUNCIL AGENDA.
IF PASSED, THIS ORDINANCE WOULD SEVERELY IMPACT OUR PARKER WAY OF LIFE, SPECIFICALLY FOR PROPOSED SECTION 131.05A1 AND A2 WOULD MAKE IT ILLEGAL AND PUNISHABLE WITH FINES UP TO $2,000 PER DAY IF ANY AUDIBLE SOUND OF ANY VOLUME CAN BE HEARD 30 FEET AWAY FROM ANY NOISE SOURCE THAT IS DEEMED BY ANYONE TO BE UNPLEASANT.
THIS SECTION IMPLIES THAT RESIDENTS MAY BECOME PROHIBITED FROM DOING THINGS THEY NORMALLY DO WITHOUT RUNNING THE RISK OF BEING FINED, THINGS LIKE PLAYING MUSIC, HAVING AN OUTDOOR PARTY OF ANY KIND,
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PLAYING WITH YOUR KIDS OUTSIDE, PLAYING AN INSTRUMENT, HAVING BIRDS OR CRICKETS OR CICADAS CHIRPING IN YOUR BACKYARD, OWNING A DOG OR CAT OR ANY ANIMAL THAT EVER WANT BARKS OR PURRS AND MAKES ANY SOUND, TALKING WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS OR FAMILY MEMBERS ON YOUR FRONT PORCH, OPENING OR CLOSING YOUR CAR DOOR, OR OPENING YOUR GARAGE DOOR, LOADING BOXES INTO A TRUCK, DRIVING YOUR CAR DOWN THE STREET, SAWING A BOARD OR DOING WOODWORKING OF ANY KIND, CHEERING OR TALK AT A FOOTBALL GAME OR OTHER SPORTING MATCH, RIDING A BIKE DOWN THE STREET OR RIDING A HORSE ACROSS THE ROAD.THE LIST GOES ON. RESIDENTS OF PARKER, INTENTIONALLY OR UNINTENTIONALLY, THIS NOISE ORDINANCE IS DIRECTED AT YOU TO SILENCE YOU.
SOUTHFORK AND CROSS CREEK RANCH HAVE SPECIAL USE PERMITS, AND ACCORDING TO THEM, THIS ORDINANCE WILL NOT AFFECT THEM.
IF IT DOES AFFECT THEM, THEY'LL LIKELY SUE THE CITY.
I ASK, IS THIS WHERE WE WANT TO SPEND OUR TAX DOLLARS? FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, MY HUSBAND LAST NIGHT WENT OUTSIDE IN OUR BACKYARD AND MEASURED THE SOUND OF THE CRICKETS AND CICADAS IN MY BACKYARD, AND THE FESTIVAL READING EXCEEDED 60 DBA.
BASED ON THESE CONCERNS, I URGE YOU TO POSTPONE THE VOTE ON THE NOISE ORDINANCE TONIGHT SO YOU CAN MAKE PROVISIONS FOR NORMAL EVERY DAY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MISS MEL. COUNCIL, WE ALSO HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM SOME RESIDENTS WHO WERE NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT WHO HAVE ASKED THAT THEIR OPINIONS AND COMMENTS BE ATTACHED TO THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING, AND THAT WILL BE DONE.
WE HAVE ONE FROM ROBERT MACKEY.
WE HAVE ONE FROM RICHARD JENSEN.
SORRY, I WAS READING HIS EMAIL.
AL MEYERS, ANDY REDMAN AND TODD FETT.
THESE WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE MINUTES OF THE RECORD ALONG WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE IN-PERSON HERE TONIGHT.
NOW WE WILL GO TO THE ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.
[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]
I DON'T THINK IT WILL COME AS A SURPRISE TO ANYBODY THAT THE CITY HALL AND THE CITY WILL BE CLOSED ON JULY 4TH.TYPICALLY, WE'RE CLOSED FOR THAT HOLIDAY EACH AND EVERY YEAR.
THE NEXT THING IS, PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION IS SCHEDULED TO MEET ON JULY 9TH, 2025 AT 5:00 P.M. IN THIS ROOM.
THE BUDGET HEARINGS ARE GETTING READY TO START, AND I WILL ASK MR. SAVAGE, WOULD YOU TELL ME WHEN THE BUDGET HEARINGS ARE? WOULD YOU READ THAT, PLEASE?
>> I DON'T HAVE THE PAPER IN FRONT OF ME.
>> DON'T WE HAVE A MEETING ON JULY 15TH?
>> JULY 15TH TO JULY 22ND WOULD BE BUDGET OVERVIEW AND BUDGET WORKSHOP.
AUGUST 5 WOULD BE A SECOND BUDGET WORKSHOP.
SEPTEMBER 9TH WILL BE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. I WILL ASK PATTY, IF YOU WOULD GET THOSE DATES ONTO THE CALENDAR SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THEM AND KNOW WHAT MEETINGS ARE COMING UP.
NEXT, WE WILL GO TO THE INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEMS.
[2. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESIGNATION OF COUNCIL MEMBER KERCHO.]
THE FIRST THING IS, CONSIDERATION AND OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESIGNATION OF COUNCILMEMBER KERCHO.MR. KERCHO, WOULD YOU CARE TO TALK ABOUT YOUR RESIGNATION?
>> CERTAINLY. OBVIOUSLY, I'M MOVING OUT OF THE CITY, SO JUST FROM THAT STANDPOINT ALONE, TO RESIGN FROM COUNCIL.
BUT IN THAT REGARD, LOOKING BACK, FIRST, I'D LIKE TO REALLY THANK A FEW PEOPLE AND CITIZENS AS A WHOLE.
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FIRST LIKE TO REALLY TERRY LYNCH AND AMANDA MEL FOR REALLY PUSHING MAYBE A BIT TO GET MORE INVOLVED WITHIN THE CITY AND SUPPORTING ME IN MY QUEST TO REALLY DO GET INVOLVED MORE IN THE CITY.OBVIOUSLY, MANY TIMES, WE DIDN'T SEE EYE TO EYE THROUGHOUT OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS, BUT THAT CERTAINLY DIDN'T DETER FROM MY PRAISE OF THEIR WORK, AND I THINK WHAT WE LOOK FOR, OR AT LEAST WHAT I LOOK FOR IN COUNCIL MEMBERS, IS SOMEONE THAT IS WILLING TO DIG INTO THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS AND REALLY KEEP AN OPEN MIND.
HERE ARE ALL THE ASPECTS OF WHAT IS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL AND MAKE A COMMON SENSE DECISION.
FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, WHILE WE DIDN'T SEE EYE TO EYE, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORTS AS WELL.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE THAT WOUND UP VOTING FOR ME.
I WOUND UP ON COUNCIL REALLY BY APPOINTMENT, AND WE'VE CHANGED SOME THINGS OF HOW TO DO THAT APPOINTMENT, WHICH I THINK IS FOR THE BETTER.
BUT I DID GO THROUGH THE ELECTION, ONLY HAVE SERVED A YEAR OF THAT TERM, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR ME THAT HAVEN'T SERVED OUT MY TWO YEARS, BUT CERTAINLY DIDN'T INTEND TO MOVE AT THE TIME THAT I WAS CAMPAIGNING.
I DO HOPE THAT DURING THE YEAR, REALLY TWO YEARS THAT I SERVED, OR A YEAR AFTER THE ELECTION, THAT I TRIED TO REALLY BRING FORTH THE THINGS I RAN ON AND I HOPE THAT PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR ME AT THAT POINT IN TIME SAW THAT THAT TOOK PLACE.
I ALSO WANT TO HOPE THAT OVER THAT YEAR AND REALLY TWO YEARS TIME THAT THE PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T VOTE FOR ME FOR WHATEVER REASON AND MIGHT HAVE SUPPORTED ME HAD I RUN.
I APPRECIATE THE CITY AND THE TIME I'VE BEEN ON IT.
ALSO, HEAVILY ENCOURAGED BY THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT RAN FOR COUNCIL THIS PAST TIME.
I WAS ACTUALLY A BIT CONCERNED GOING INTO THE ELECTION THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE HARDLY ANYBODY RUN FOR COUNCIL.
SEEING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE STEP FORWARD TO GIVE THEIR TIME, ENERGY, EFFORTS TO GET BACK TO THE CITY I THINK WAS REALLY ENCOURAGING.
IT'S ALSO ENCOURAGING TO SEE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THROW THEIR NAME IN TO FILL MY SEAT.
I HOPE THAT CONTINUES TO OCCUR.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF REALLY GOOD PEOPLE IN PARKER, A LOT OF GREAT BACKGROUNDS.
I THINK IT'S NOT NECESSARILY HAVE A GREAT BACKGROUND, I DON'T THINK, TO BE IN COUNCIL, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COMMON SENSE APPROACH AND HAVE THE CITIZENS OF THE PARKER AT TOP OF YOUR MIND.
I THINK OF THAT PERSPECTIVE, IF PEOPLE HAVE THE TIME, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE UP HERE AND HELP THE CITY MOVE FORWARD, A LOT OF THINGS COME FORWARD TO COUNCIL.
IF YOU'RE NOT PART OF IT AND YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING, YOU CAN'T REALLY COMPLAIN ABOUT WHERE THINGS GO.
FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I APPLAUD PEOPLE WHO COME TO COUNCIL MEETINGS AND GIVE THEIR THOUGHTS.
I APPLAUD PEOPLE WHO EMAIL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND GIVE THEIR THOUGHTS, AND I CERTAINLY APPLAUD PEOPLE THAT WILL COME AND RUN FOR BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND COUNCIL ITSELF.
WITH THAT, I LOVE MY TIME IN PARKER, SPENT 20 YEARS HERE, SO IT'S MUCH MORE THAN A HOUSE, IT'S BEEN A HOME FOR A LONG TIME, AND SAD TO LEAVE IT.
BUT AGAIN, LEAVE IT IN GREAT HANDS.
I THINK THE COUNCIL THAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW HAVE REALLY GOT SOME GOOD PEOPLE ON IT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVE BEEN HELPING TO DRIVE THE CITY CONTINUALLY FORWARD.
>> COUNCIL, YOU HAVE MR. KERCHO'S RESIGNATION IN YOUR PACKET, AND IT IS OUR DUTY TO ACT UPON THIS RESIGNATION.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION OF RANDY KERCHO FROM THE PARKER CITY COUNCIL EFFECTIVE JUNE 18TH, 2025?
>> MADAM MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT COUNCILMAN KERCHO'S RESIGNATION AT THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I SADLY SECOND.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM PILGRIM, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER SHARPE TO ACCEPT RANDY KERCHO'S RESIGNATION FROM THE PARKER CITY COUNCIL EFFECTIVE JUNE 18TH, 2025.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
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MOTION CARRIES 5-0.COUNCILMEMBER KERCHO, IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE TO SERVE WITH YOU.
YOU HAVE BEEN AN OUTSTANDING COUNCILMEMBER.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE.
YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN THERE, AND I, IN PARTICULAR, I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR THAT. THANK YOU.
>> IF I MAY MAKE A COMMENT AS WELL.
RANDY, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU WE'RE REALLY GOING TO MISS YOU.
I PERSONALLY VERY MUCH ENJOYED SERVING WITH YOU.
I TOLD YOU, AS WE WERE WALKING OUT HERE FROM A CLOSED SESSION BACK THERE TONIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE MISSED ON THIS, AND I MEANT THAT.
YOU'VE BEEN AN OUTSTANDING COUNCILMAN TO WORK WITH.
OFTEN AGREED WITH, SOMETIMES DISAGREED WITH, ALWAYS BEEN EXCELLENT, THOUGH, IN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS AND WHAT YOU'VE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS CITY, AND IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NEXT, WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 3,
[3. REVIEW APPLICANTS FOR COUNCIL MEMBER APPOINTMENT.]
REVIEW THE APPLICANTS FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER APPOINTMENT.COUNCIL, IN YOUR PACKET, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED SIX APPLICANTS FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE PARKER CITY COUNCIL.
THE SIX ARE BILLY BARON, MELISSA TIERS, DON HEDLUND, FRANKS MARINO, AUBREY MARINO, AND MARCUS ARIAS.
AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK HOW COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED ON THE APPOINTMENTS.
YOU HAVE ALL THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO YOU, WHETHER YOU WANT TO HAVE A CANDIDATE TO SUBMIT ADDITIONAL PAPERWORK, WHETHER YOU WANT TO INTERVIEW THE POTENTIAL COUNCIL APPOINTMENT, WHETHER YOU WANT TO HAVE THE PERSON HERE FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
IT'S JUST WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? HOW DO YOU-ALL WANT TO MOVE FORWARD? MR. PILGRIM.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I'M CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN LISTENING TO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO SAY ON THEIR APPROACH TO THIS.
BUT AT A MOMENT, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO REQUEST THAT EACH OF THE CANDIDATES APPEAR AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE HAVE, IF THEY'RE IN TOWN AND UNAVAILABLE.
IF NOT, MAYBE WE CAN MAKE SOME ARRANGEMENTS FOR THAT IF THEY CAN'T BE THERE THAT NIGHT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO INVITE EACH OF THE CANDIDATES TO COME HERE AND MAKE A BRIEF SPEECH OF THEIR LIKING.
I THINK IT'S UP TO THEM TO SAY WHATEVER THEY WOULD WANT TO SAY JUST AS IF THEY WERE A CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR OFFICE ANYWHERE ELSE.
MAYBE LIMIT IT TO FIVE MINUTES, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT PER CANDIDATE.
BUT I'M OPEN TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME IF OTHERS WANT TO GIVE INPUT.
BUT I THINK BOTH WE, AS COUNCIL PERSONS, AND THE CITIZENS WHO ARE BOTH IN THE AUDIENCE AND WATCHING ONLINE, SHOULD GET TO HEAR FROM EACH OF THEM, AND THEN, IF WE WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS, FINE.
IF WE DON'T, THAT'S FINE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD ALL HEAR FROM THEM, AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD HEAR FROM THEM, BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE ON WHICH ONE TO SELECT.
>> I AGREE WITH COUNCILPERSON PILGRIM.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT I DO NOT FAVOR INTERVIEWING THEM IN PRIVATE AS THE INFORMATION ABOUT THEM SHOULD BE AS PUBLIC AS POSSIBLE.
IT'S A CHOICE THAT WE ARE MAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF PARKER.
THEY SHOULD KNOW WHY WE MADE IT.
>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY.
WHEN YOU SAY THE NEXT MEETING, THAT WOULD BE THE JULY 1ST MEETING?
>> THAT'S THE NEXT MEETING ON THE AGENDA. YES.
>> IT WOULD BE THE JULY 1ST MEETING.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU, WHAT I GET IS THE NEXT STEP IS TO INVITE ALL SIX OF THE CANDIDATES TO THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH WILL BE JULY 1ST, AND ASK EACH ONE TO GIVE A BRIEF SPEECH FOR ABOUT FIVE MINUTES ON ANYTHING THEY WISH TO SAY.
AS A RESULT OF THAT SPEECH, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL FOR THAT PERSON, THEN THE COUNCIL IS FREE TO ASK THEIR QUESTIONS.
IS THAT WHAT EVERYBODY'S AGREEABLE WITH, OR WANTS? CATHERINE, DO I NEED A MOTION?
>> YOU CAN TAKE THE DIRECTION.
[4. CONSIDERATION AND ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION OF ORDINANCE NO. 894 REGULATING NOISE WITHIN THE CITY OF PARKER.]
CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 894, REGULATING NOISE WITHIN THE CITY OF PARKER.IN THE FIRST PART OF THAT IS A PRESENTATION.
CHIEF PRICE, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE PRESENTATION?
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>> NOTE FOR NEXT ONBOARDING TECH ISSUES.
>> WE NEED TRAINING. [LAUGHTER]
THE PAPER THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S STANDING THERE.
GO TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT WHERE THE MAGNIFYING GLASSES ARE AND THEN WORK YOUR WAY UP.
>> THERE IT WAS, DOWN THERE. THERE YOU GO.
>> CAN EVERYBODY SEE THAT WITHOUT BLOWING IT UP?
>> I CAN'T GET IT TO EXPAND ON THE SCREEN.
>> CAN YOU CLOSE THE PAGES WINDOW OVER THERE? [BACKGROUND]
[BACKGROUND] HE DIDN'T DO IT ANYWAY.
>> FOR OUR NEXT WORKSHOP, IT'LL BE ON TECHNOLOGY.
>> FYI, SERGEANT BURDICK REALLY PUT THIS POWERPOINT TOGETHER WHO WAS A MEMBER OF THE NOISE COMMITTEE AS CHIEF PRICE INDICATED.
HE'S OUT OF TOWN CURRENTLY, SO CHIEF PRICE IS FILLING IN AS BEST AS HE CAN HERE.
BUT I TOLD HIM I WOULD HELP HIM THROUGH THIS PARTICULAR POWERPOINT AS HE GOES.
IF YOU HEAR MY VOICE KEEP COMING UP, IT IS IN RESPONSE TO HELPING [LAUGHTER] THROUGH THIS THING.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF OBVIOUSLY COMMENTS.
TAKE THAT TO HEART AS WE LOOK THROUGH THIS.
LOOKING AT THE PARTICULAR SECTIONS THAT SOME PEOPLE BROUGHT UP, I CAN SEE THAT IT CAN BE VIEWED POTENTIALLY AS IT WAS BROUGHT TO COUNSEL IN REMARKS.
OUR DEAL, I WOULD SAY THAT IT WAS NOT INITIALLY TO LOOK AT SOUTHFORK AND CROSS CREEK THOUGH.
THOSE WERE CERTAINLY ON THE RADAR.
IT WAS TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL NOISE ORDINANCE.
NOISE ORDINANCE DOES CURRENTLY EXIST, AND IT DOES HAVE DECIBEL READINGS OUT THERE.
BASICALLY, A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD, IT IS IN THE CURRENT NOISE ORDINANCE. IT'S OUT THERE.
THE DECIBEL LEVELS HAVE CHANGED DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO BE IN MORE COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEIGHBORING CITIES.
BUT OVERALL, THE NOISE ORDINANCE PREVIOUSLY EXISTED AND STILL DOES EXIST IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE.
AS WE LOOKED AT IT, WE APPROACHED MANY CITIES, AND I THINK CHIEF PRICE WILL GO INTO THAT, IS WHAT PROCEDURES WE DID.
BUT EARLY ON, WE WENT TO CITY OF ALLEN,
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AND WE TALKED TO CITY OF ALLEN POLICE CHIEF BECAUSE THEY HAD JUST PUT IN A NEW NOISE ORDINANCE, AND WE FELT THAT SINCE WE WERE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY PUTTING IN NEW NOISE ORDINANCE, WE'D GO TALK TO SOMEONE WHO JUST HAD RECENTLY DONE IT.WE TALKED TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND WHAT HE BROUGHT FORWARD WAS THAT THEY HAD A DECIBEL READING.
AS FAR AS PLANO AND ALLEN ETC, THEY HAVE TECHNICAL DEPARTMENTS THAT WHEN YOU GET A NOISE LEVEL READING AND ISSUE, THEY GO OUT THERE WITH A WHOLE NOISE CREW LIKE LICENSED TECHNICIANS, AND THEY SET UP THE ENTIRE ENVIRONMENT, AND THEY SET UP THE BACKGROUND NOISE, AND THEY SET UP THE EQUIPMENT, AND THEY MONITOR IT FOR HOURS TO DAYS, THAT THEY GO BACK AND THEN ANALYZE THAT DATA.
BUT MAJORITY OF TIME, THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE OF COMPLAINT.
IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A SOUTHFORK OR CROSS CREEK, AND NOT EVEN THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE ABOUT COMMERCIAL PLANT THAT HAS BEEN PUT NEXT TO YOU.
THAT'S A MACHINE SHOP THAT'S RUNNING X AMOUNT OF TIME, AND CAUSING A LOT OF ISSUES AND NOISE.
THEY SET UP ALL THAT NOISE EQUIPMENT.
WHAT HE REALLY IDENTIFIED WAS THAT, MAJORITY OF TIME, THE POLICE OFFICERS GOING OUT THERE AND USING EQUIPMENT AREN'T SOUND TECHNICIANS.
THEY'RE GOING OUT THERE AND THEY'VE GOT A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, THEY TURN IT ON, AND THEY LOOK AT THE READINGS THAT FLY ACROSS.
BUT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, AGAIN, WHERE YOU ARE, AND HOW YOU HOLD IT, AND THE NOISE LEVEL AROUND YOU, ALL VARIABLES THAT CAN CHANGE IT SIGNIFICANTLY.
WHAT HE SAID WAS THAT IN MOST TIME YOU DON'T WANT OFFICERS OUT THERE WITH TECHNICAL EQUIPMENT TRYING TO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE TAKING A TECHNICAL READING.
HE SAID WHAT YOU WANT IS THAT A POLICE OFFICER HAVE DISCRETION.
BECAUSE, AS WE KNOW, MAJORITY OF TIME, AND ALMOST ALL THE TIME, A POLICE OFFICER IS GOING TO LEAN TOWARDS AND NOT CAUSING AN ISSUE.
IF THERE'S A PARTY GOING ON, ETC, WE ALL DO KNOW THE PARTIES GO ON NEXT DOOR, AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE BIRTHDAYS, WHATEVER, AND THEY'RE SINGULAR EVENTS.
BUT FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE OFFICER IS GOING TO GO THERE AND SAY, DO I BELIEVE THAT THIS PARTY IS UNREASONABLY LOUD? WE KNOW IT'S A BIRTHDAY PARTY, BUT IS THAT UNREASONABLY LOUD.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO OUT THERE FIRST AND SAY, HEY, YOU'RE CREATING A LOT OF NOISE WHILE YOU ENJOY A PARTY, BUT PLEASE TONE IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
NINETY NINE PERCENT OF THE TIME, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ADHERE TO THAT.
THE 1% OF THE TIME THAT THEY DON'T ADHERE TO THAT, THAT'S WHEN IT BASICALLY ALLOWS AN OFFICER TO GO OUT AND SAY, HEY, I ASKED YOU TO TURN IT DOWN AND COME BACK, YOU STILL HAVEN'T TURNED IT DOWN.
IT'S STILL, TO ME, BEING A POLICE OFFICER, UNREASONABLY LOUD.
IF I WAS HERE, I WAS YOUR NEIGHBOR, I WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT, MYSELF.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS REALLY CREATE A NOISE ORDINANCE THAT PUT THE ABILITY DISCRETION LEVEL AT A POLICE OFFICER LEVEL AND NOT WALKING AROUND WITH TECHNICAL EQUIPMENT.
FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE THEN TALKED TO A LOT OF THE MUNICIPAL JUDGES, AND OUR OWN PROSECUTOR, ETC, WHO WAS FROM THE CITY OF GARLAND, AND WE LOOKED AT CITY OF GARLAND'S NOISE ORDINANCE, ETC, AND WE SAID, WHAT COMES UP? HE SAID, POLICE OFFICERS WILL GO OUT THERE, AND MAJORITY OF CITIES DO HAVE POLICE DISCRETION, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BRING TO THE MUNICIPAL COURT THE SITUATION THAT CAME UP.
HE SAID NOT MANY THINGS ARE GOING TO COME TO MUNICIPAL COURT BECAUSE, IN ESSENCE, MAJORITY OF THE TIME, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO PRESS THE POINT OF WHERE WE ARE, AND WHAT WE HEAR.
BUT IF IT DOES COME TO MUNICIPAL COURT, THEN DOES POLICE DISCRETION WORK? HE SAID HE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW OF ANY TIME THAT POLICE DISCRETION DIDN'T WORK, MEANING THAT IT WAS OVERTURNED FOR SOME REASON.
BECAUSE WHAT THE OFFICER DOES IS GOES OUT THERE.
BASICALLY, THEY'VE GOT THE BODY CAMERA, AND THEY'VE ALSO GOT A RECORDER, AND THEY COME INTO MUNICIPAL COURT AND PLAY THAT BODY CAMERA, AND THE SOUND LEVEL.
THEN THE JUDGE IS SITTING THERE AND SAYING, IS THIS UNREASONABLE? THE OFFICER SAID IT IS AND WE PRESENTED THIS IN COURT.
WHERE ARE WE [INAUDIBLE] SITUATION.
THAT WAS THE ESSENCE OF WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, WAS TO REALLY GIVE POLICE DISCRETION.
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WE ALSO PUT IN A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WERE EXEMPT, LIKE THE GUARD EQUIPMENT, THE GENERATOR THAT [INAUDIBLE] DURING THE DAYTIME HOURS, ETC.THOSE ARE IN THE NOISE ORDINANCES EXEMPTIONS DURING DAYTIME HOURS.
THEY CAN BE OUT THERE AND IT SITS OUT THERE, AND WE KNOW THOSE NOISES [INAUDIBLE] EXIST.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS REALLY SAY, THERE'S A TIME AND PLACE FOR EVERYTHING, AND AS IT GETS LATE INTO THE DAY, OR VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING, PEOPLE WANT SOME TYPE OF QUIET, AND WAS 7-10 REASONABLE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SELECTED AS THE NOISE COMMITTEE.
NOISE LEVELS ARE REALLY COMPARABLE TO OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE, THAT ARE ALSO COUNTRY ASPECT AS WELL.
>> DIDN'T CHANGE A WHOLE LOT FROM WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY, AND WHEN WE WERE EVEN TAKING READINGS OUT THERE, THE READINGS THAT WE WERE TAKING, FOR THE MOST PART, DIDN'T EXCEED THE LEVELS THAT WE WERE, OUT THERE PUTTING INTO THE NOISE COMPLAINT.
WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT THEY WERE EXTRAORDINARY, OR OUT OF BOUNDS.
BUT THAT WAS A GREAT ESSENCE OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
AGAIN, I DO AGREE THAT THE ONE SECTION, I THINK, AMANDA BROUGHT UP, THAT POINTED TO SAYING ANY REASONABLE PERSON, I CAN SEE WHERE SOMEONE COULD READ INTO THAT THAT JUST SAYS, HEY, I DON'T LIKE THAT PERSON TALKING OVER THERE, AND IT'S BOTHERING ME.
I DO THINK THAT WE COULD GO BACK TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND MAYBE TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT, IN TERMS OF JUST TO MAKE POSITIVELY CLEAR IT'S A NOISE LEVEL, AND NOT WHERE SOMEONE IS JUST COMPLAINING THAT SOMEONE'S TALKING NEXT DOOR AND IT BUGS THEM.
BUT WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK THAT WE LOOK AT THE POWERPOINT SO THAT EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE IT IS, WHAT IT IS, AND THEN COUNCIL, OBVIOUSLY, WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH IT FROM THAT POINT ON.
BUT THAT'S, BEST AS I CAN, BACKGROUND INTO IT, AND ALLOW THEN CHIEF PRICE TO GO THROUGH THE POWERPOINT.
>> THANK YOU, RANDY. YOU WANT TO SLIDE UP TO THE NEXT SLIDE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE. THERE WE GO.
THE COMMITTEE'S GOAL AS WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED WAS TO CREATE A FAIR AND EQUITABLE [INAUDIBLE] CITY ORDINANCE THAT WOULD IMPROVE AND PROTECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE CITIZENS OF PARKER [INAUDIBLE] THE FAIR AND EQUITABLE PART OF THIS, IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE NOW, IS STRICTLY DECIBELS.
IF WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR ON NEIGHBOR DISPUTE, THAT IS ONGOING, AND THEY STAY BELOW THAT DECIBEL, THERE WOULD BE NOTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP RESOLVE THE SITUATION.
THEIR APPROACH IN THIS WAS TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT OUTSIDE OF SOUTHFORK RANCH AND CROSS CREEK RANCH.
I THINK THROUGH THE COMMITTEE'S MEETING, JOE, YOU BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THE SOUTHFORK AND CROSS CREEK [INAUDIBLE] THROUGH THOSE MEETINGS, CROSS CREEK RANCH, AND ONE OF THE MEMBERS ON THE COMMITTEE, COME TOGETHER, AND HAD AN UNDERSTANDING OF EACH OTHER ON HOW THEY WERE BOTH FEELING ABOUT THE ORDINANCE, AND REALIZED THAT THEY HAD A PROBLEM, AND THEY FIXED IT BASED ON THEIR WORK ON THIS ORDINANCE, SO THEY WERE INVOLVED.
THE GROUP LOOKED AT ORDINANCES FROM CITIES ALL AROUND US, TRYING TO MAKE IT UNIQUE TO PARKER, BUT STILL GIVING SOME RELIEF TO SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR INSTANCES.
THEY USED GARLANDS, BECAUSE WE HAVE USED THAT FOR THE CITY PROSECUTOR WHO WORKS FOR GARLAND.
WE USED OURS BECAUSE THEY HAD JUST REVAMPED THEIRS.
THEY'RE BOTH NEIGHBORING CITIES.
THEY'RE [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS, OR VICE-VERSA. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THE DECIBEL TRENDING THAT'S FOUND IN OTHER CITIES, DURING THE DAYTIME IS LISTED ON THIS SLIDE, AND THEY'RE PRETTY COMPARABLE ACROSS THE BOARD.
THE HIGHEST BEING THE CITY OF AUSTIN, WHICH IS JUST PLAIN INAUDIBLE.
THEY TRIED TO USE, STUFF IN OPEN SETTINGS.
A LOT OF THOSE PLACES HAVE OUTDOOR VENUES SUCH AS PARKER, SO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
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THE DAYTIME HOURS SET BY THE CITIES AROUND US, OFTEN START [INAUDIBLE] 6:00-7:00.MOST OF THEM ARE 6:00, 7:00AM.
THAT'S WHERE THEY CAME UP WITH THOSE WEIRD TIMELINES.
REASONABLE PERSON STANDARDS ARE IN, A LOT OF ORDINANCES ACROSS THE STATE.
OUR ORDINANCE DIDN'T GIVE OUR OFFICERS THE ABILITY TO, RELEASE STRESS FOR A LARGE PORTION OF THE CITY.
IF I WENT TO YOUR HOUSE AND YOU'RE CLAIMING YOUR MUSIC IS 45 DECIBELS, RIGHT OUTSIDE YOUR BEDROOM WINDOW, AND OUR ORDINANCE SAYS 65 OR 75, THERE WAS NOTHING I CAN DO FOR YOU.
I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO RESOLVE.
THAT'S WHAT THE APPROACH TO THE REASONABLE PERSON STANDARD, GIVES THE OFFICERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BELIEVE OUTSIDE OF THOSE TWO.
IT ALLOWS QUICK RESPONSE TO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO PART AT THAT TIME.
IT PROVIDES THE ABILITY TO DECREASE LOUD AND EXCESSIVE NOISE IN VARIOUS SITUATIONS, SIMPLIFIES THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, WITH ONE SEPARATE VESTAL LEVEL FOR DAYTIME VERSUS NIGHTTIME RATHER THAN NEEDS DEGRADED AS TIME GOES BY.
MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AS IT CONTINUES TO GROW WITH THE POPULATION BEING MORE DENSE.
THEY TRY TO, COME UP WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW SOME CONTROL OVER A LOT OF COMPLAINTS [INAUDIBLE].
I TRUCKS SHOWING UP IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
I KNOW THEY'RE DROPPING OFF SAGE, WHATEVER.
YOU GOT A DIESEL I OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE AT FOUR IN THE MORNING WAITING UNTIL 7:00 WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION CREW SHOWED UP.
THAT'S WHERE YOU GO UP THERE SAY, IT'S ALL RIGHT YOU SIT HERE, SERF.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO MAKE THIS A MONEY OR TICKET THING, BUT IT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO ABSOLUTELY.
BUT IT ALSO GIVES THEM MORE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AND GIVE WARNINGS, AND THE DESK RID OF 65 A DAY, AT NIGHT SIMPLIFIED THAT DROP DOWN PROCESS.
AT NIGHTTIME, IT WENT WAY BELOW, THE DECIBEL HAD TO GO EVEN DROP DOWN EVEN LOWER THAN THAT WE HOURS OF MORNING.
IT SIMPLIFIED THAT FOR THE STAFF.
NEXT ONE. PARKER HAS NO COMMERCIAL GENERAL WHATSOEVER.
THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT OF THE SPECIAL BOTH CROSS STREET AND COIT BRANCH ARE IN PLACE.
I THINK THIS ALSO PROVIDES THEM WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS SURROUNDING THEM.
OUR GENERAL RULE ON THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS WE DON'T MAKE CONTACT WITH THEM.
WE TALK TO THEM AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ONE PERSON.
NOW, WE TURN BACK TO CONVERSATION WITH STAFF HELP REGULATE THAT.
WE HAD A LOT LESS COMPLAINTS, I THINK, BETTER THAN I WOULD, BUT I THINK THEY TRIED TO WORK WITH PROCESS.
>> LET ME JUMP IN IN A SECOND.
WE ALSO HAD IF YOU GO LOOK AT NUMEROUS DECIBEL LEVELS AND ZONES, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS SOME CITIES HAVE MULTIPLE ZONES.
THEY'LL HAVE ZONE 1, ZONE 2, AND YOU TRY TO SAY, WELL, ARE THEY GOING TOWARDS COMMERCIAL OR WHAT? AS YOU READ INTO THE NOISE.
THE NOISE IS ALWAYS TAKEN AT THE RECEIVING POINT.
IF A PERSON IS COMPLAINING AND THEY'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT ZONE RESIDENTIAL, THEN BASICALLY IT FALLS UNDER RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND THAT'S WHERE THE NOISE LEVEL IS MEASURED.
THESE ZONE ONE AND ZONE TWO FOR VARIOUS DIFFERENT CITIES, GET TO THE POINT WHERE IF YOU'RE IN A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, A COMMERCIAL AIR GAP, A COMMERCIAL GROUP COMPLAINING ABOUT ANOTHER COMMERCIAL GROUP.
WELL, THEN THAT'S A ZONE TWO BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL AREA.
THEREFORE, THEY MAY ALLOW HIGHER DECIBEL LEVELS OR HIGHER NOISE BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A MANUFACTURING ENVIRONMENT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL.
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY AREA WHERE A COMMERCIAL WOULD BE COMPLAINING ABOUT ANOTHER COMMERCIAL ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER,
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THERE WAS NO POINT CREATING A ZONE 1 OR ZONE 2 BECAUSE ALL THE READINGS WOULD BE DONE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.>> AS YOU CAN SEE IN CALIFORNIA, INDIVIDUALS THAT HAD THAT INPUT RESEARCH ALONG WITH STAFF LEGAL STAFF [INAUDIBLE] I WANT TO THE CITIZENS TO KNOW JURY WE'RE NOT USING CONFIDENCE.
I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE HAVE PART IN THE BACK YARD IN MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD POSSIBLY, AND IF THEY'RE EXCESSIVE OR DIRECTED INTENTIONALLY [INAUDIBLE]
>> I HAVE MANY. THE FIRST IS IF YOUR NEIGHBOR HAS BIRTHDAY PARTIES TWICE A WEEK, HOW MANY KIDS NEIGHBOR HAVE?
>> I APOLOGIZE FOR MAKING A JOKE.
OUR MEASURES HERE THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, THEY'RE BASED ON GARLAND AND ALLEN, BUT ARE THEY MORE CONSERVATIVE OR ARE THEY MORE LENIENT THAN THOSE TOWNSHIPS?
>> I WOULD BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE YOU GO. YOU SHOULD BE TRYING TO LEASE [INAUDIBLE]
>> WELL, OTHER THAN THE DECIBEL LEVELS, THERE'S THE REASONABLE PERSON AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ENFORCEMENT MEASURES BEYOND THESE.
ARE THERE OTHER MEASURES THAT ARE PARTICULARLY EITHER DRACONIAN OR SIMPLY MORE STRICT IN THIS PROPOSED MEASURE?
>> IN OUR PROPOSAL [INAUDIBLE] APPROACH AS A TOOL, WILL ALWAYS BE USED AS [INAUDIBLE] AS THESE LEVELS WOULD BE SET TO MEET PRETTY MUCH STANDARD HERE.
>> I APOLOGIZE IF I'M RAILROAD, NO OTHER PEOPLE'S QUESTIONS.
I'M NEW TO THIS TOPIC. GARLAND AND ALLEN, DO THEY HAVE DOGS?
>> TABLE SAUCE? PARTIES. ARE THEY ABLE TO MOW THEIR LAWNS?
>> ARE THEY ABLE TO MOW THEIR LAWNS WITH GAS LAWN MOWERS?
>> DO THEY HAVE CICADAS FROGS? I PRESUME NOT HOWLER MONKEYS, BUT MAYBE OTHER ANIMALS THAT ARE QUITE LOUD.
>> WHAT INSTANCE WOULD YOU PERCEIVE OF ANY OF THESE IMPLEMENTS OR MACHINE SHOPS? I KNOW GARLAND HAS MANY MACHINE SHOPS TO TAKE MY CAR THERE FOR AUTO REPAIRS.
IS THERE AN INSTANCE WHERE, THESE SEEMINGLY GOING WITHOUT NOISE VIOLATIONS AND THESE OTHER TOWNSHIPS WOULD INCUR A VIOLATION IN OUR TOWNSHIP?
>> [INAUDIBLE] THEY REFUSED TO [INAUDIBLE]
>> CAN YOU CLARIFY? THAT'S EXCESSIVE DOG BARKING, NOT MY DOG BARKED BECAUSE A SQUARE RAN BY?
>> IS THAT MUCH? EVEN BY OUR SPL, AND SPL IS THE DEVICE THAT MEASURES DECIBEL LEVELS.
IS THAT EVEN REALLY, GOING TO BE MEASURED BY DECIBELS? A DOG BARKING MIGHT BE 110 DECIBELS.
LOT SIZES HERE ARE TWO ACRES, TWO ACRES ON THE SIDE IS 296, 300 FEET, CORRECT MATH WRONG, BUT YOU HAVE A LOGARITHMIC DECREASE, OF DECIBEL LEVEL INTENSITY FOR EVERY DOUBLING OF THE DISTANCE.
BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE EDGE OF YOUR PROPERTY YOU'RE LOOKING AT, 65-70 DECIBELS.
>> BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE EXCESSIVE AND THE DOG BARKING IS NOT MEASURED BY DECIBELS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DECIBELS WOULD COME INTO PLAY FOR LOUD MUSIC.
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DECIBELS WOULD COME INTO PLAY FOR TRUCKS OUT FROM YOUR HOUSE AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING WAIT FOR THE 6:00 STRUCTURE CREW TO COME THROUGH.DECIBEL WOULD BE IN PLACE FOR WHEN SOUTHFORK OR CROSS CREEK DECIDED TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR VENUE, AND THE DJ DECIDES THAT HE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ORGANS, AND HE WANTS THE BASES THAT.
THAT GIVES THE OFFICERS THAT PORTION OF THE DESK.
A REASONABLE PERSON STANDARD THE OFFICERS A CHANCE TO BE ABLE TO OUTSIDE OF THAT.
>> TO FOLLOW UP ON THE BASE PIECE, I KNOW SOMETIME LAST YEAR THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF THE, DECIBEL LEVEL MIGHT REACH UNDER THE STANDARD, BUT THE BASE ACTUALLY IS MEASURED DIFFERENTLY.
>> WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MEASUREMENTS, WHETHER IT WAS A, C, Z, ETC.
PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS USES A, AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE DEFAULT NOISE LEVEL.
AUSTIN, I THINK WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE COULD FIND THAT REALLY USED A DIFFERENT ONE.
WHEN WE WOUND UP GOING THROUGH THE NOISE READINGS, WE IDENTIFIED THAT REALLY Z RATING WAS BASICALLY, WHICH IS WHAT PEOPLE SAID WAS GOING TO MEASURE BASE.
ALMOST ALWAYS MEASURE LIKE 10 DECIBEL POINTS HIGHER THAN A.
BUT WHAT WE DO IS BASICALLY WE WENT THROUGH, WE SAID, BASSES ARE GOING TO BE AGAIN A NOISE LEVEL.
WE ONLY HAVE INSTRUMENTS THAT READ A, AND THEREFORE WE GO THROUGH AND MAKE THINGS SIMPLE IF WE WANT TO SIMPLIFY AS MUCH AS WE COULD.
WE AGAIN JUST STAY WITH LEVEL A.
>> THAT'S WHERE THE REASONABLE PERSON COMES IN.
IT'S NOT MEETING THE DECIBEL LEVEL, BUT I CAN SEE YOUR WINDOW BANGING. MR. PILGRIM.
>> I'VE GOT ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE, QUESTIONS I WANT TO RAISE HERE, TOO, BUT I WANT TO RAISE ALL OF THEM AT ONCE BECAUSE WE'LL SPREAD THIS AROUND, LET SOME OTHER PEOPLE.
LET ME CUT TO THE CHASE ON THE LAST ONE THAT'S ON MY LIST BECAUSE IT GOES TO YOUR ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHAT IS YOUR DUTY, TO ENFORCE VERSUS YOUR DISCRETION TO ENFORCE? LET ME ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT BEFORE YOU ANSWER.
DO YOU HAVE A GREATER DUTY? IF I'M COMPLAINING BECAUSE RANDY JUST WON'T SHUT IT UP, AND I'VE TOLD HIM TO FOUR TIMES AND HE WON'T.
IS YOUR DUTY MORE TO ME, BECAUSE I'M COMPLAINING A LOT, OR IS YOUR DISCRETION MORE TO RANDY BECAUSE WHAT HE'S DOING REALLY NOT THAT BAD, I'M JUST UNREASONABLE?
>> IT COULD BE EITHER OR BOTH.
THE DUTY IS, TO TRY TO RESOLVE THE SITUATION.
IF YOU TURN THE MUSIC DOWN TWO NOTCHES MAKES IT WHERE RANDY'S NOT DRIVING YOU CRAZY AND I RESOLVE YOUR ISSUE, AND I'VE RESOLVED RANDY [INAUDIBLE].
IT'S THE FACT WHERE WE GO TO THE RESIDE AND YOU'VE GOT A COMPLAINT ABOUT RANDY.
IT'S 900 TIMES AND RANDY MAKES IT LOUDER EVERY TIME, THEN THAT GIVES THE OFFICER DUTY TO INTERVENE THROUGH THAT.
TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS IS A LOT.
I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY MENTION TONIGHT THOUGH THAT $2,000 IS THE MAXIMUM FINE IN THIS LAW, CORRECT? IT'S NOT THE MANDATORY FINE?
>> IT'S NOT THE MANDATORY FINE.
>> IS THERE A MINIMUM? I KNOW THERE'S NOT ONE PROPOSED IN HERE, BUT SHOULD THERE BE A MINIMUM? I'M QUESTIONING WHETHER THERE'S SOME REVISIONS THAT OUGHT TO BE MADE IN THIS DRAFT BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT.
SHOULD THERE BE A MINIMUM, AND SHOULD THERE BE SOME GUIDANCE IN HERE AS TO WHO WOULD GET THE MAXIMUM? WOULD IT HAVE TO BE A REPEAT OFFENDER? OR WOULD IT HAVE TO BE A MORE SERIOUS OFFENSE, AND HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THAT, OR DO YOU JUST LEAVE THAT COMPLETELY TO THE DISCRETION OF THE COURT?
>> IN MOST LAWS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, THERE IS A FINE RANGE IN FINE-ABLE OFFENSES, AND SO THAT DETERMINING RANGE HAS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN UP TO THE RESIDING JUDGE OR COURT.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM IN HERE.
THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM AND THERE SHOULD BE A MAXIMUM.
I THINK THE MAXIMUM WOULD PROBABLY COME INTO PLAY IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY WHO JUST ABSOLUTELY REFUSED AND/OR WENT ON SOME TIRADE TO ANTAGONIZE WHOEVER FILED THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT,
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AND WE HAVE SEEN THAT OCCUR.>> I'M GOING TO ASK TWO MORE, AND THEN I'M NOT DONE, BUT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE.
THERE WAS THE MENTION OF A CONSTRUCTION AND, SPECIFICALLY, THE EXAMPLE OF A CONCRETE TRUCK ARRIVING AND NEEDING TO POUR CONCRETE EARLY IN THE MORNING.
DID Y'ALL GIVE ANY CONSIDERATION TO BUILDERS, AND IS SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AN OKAY TIME FOR BUILDERS TO START THEIR CONSTRUCTION?
>> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION, SEVEN O'CLOCK.
BECAUSE WE'VE HAD COMPLAINTS OF CONCRETE SHOWING UP AT 2:30 IN THE MORNING, THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, AND START POURING THEIR SLAB.
BASED ON THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS IN WHICH CARRIE BROUGHT UP, WHICH MAKES THE CONCRETE CURE, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, BECAUSE OF THE TEXAS HEAT.
>> THE PROBLEM WITH CONCRETE IS THEY WANT TO START AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING IF THEY CAN BECAUSE THESE SLABS THAT THEY POUR IN PARKER ARE REALLY BIG, A LOT OF CONCRETE AND THEY TRY TO DO IT BEFORE THE HOTTEST PART OF THE DAY WHERE IT CAN CAUSE THESE SLABS TO [INAUDIBLE] PREMATURELY.
IN PART, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HOLD IT TILL SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR THE MOST PART.
SOME WILL COME AND TRY TO GET IT EARLIER THAN THAT.
>> DO MOST OTHER CITIES TOLERATE POURING CONCRETE AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING?
>> WE DON'T. WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF IT IF IT BECAME NECESSARY.
BECAUSE I HAVE RUN INTO CONTRACTORS THAT TOLD ME, I'M HERE, I'M DOING IT. HOW WOULD I ARGUE?
>> HOW MANY NIGHTS DOES IT TAKE TO POUR THE CONCRETE? IS THIS GOING ON OVER THE COURSE OF A WEEK, OR IS IT A ONE-NIGHT THING?
>> USUALLY, WHEN THEY'RE POURING A SLAB, THEY'RE POURING THE WHOLE SLAB AT ONE TIME, GENERALLY SPEAKING.
>> YES, THEY DON'T LIKE COLD SEAMS IN THE SLAB, SO THEY TRY TO CONTINUOUSLY POUR.
>> CAN WE MAKE THEM GET A PERMIT?
>> WE TELL THEM NOT TO. I TELL THEM IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT, IF THEY'RE GOING TO RISK IT, THEY'RE GOING TO RISK PD COMING OUT AND SHUTTING THEM DOWN, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE THE COLD SEAM.
I WOULD NOT ACCEPT THAT IF IT WAS MINE.
I'D MAKE THEM BUST THAT SLAB OPEN AND START OVER.
THAT'S A RISK THEY TAKE IF THEY DO THAT.
>> WHO GETS FINED? DOES THE TRUCK DRIVER GET FINED? DOES THE TRUCKING COMPANY THAT OWNS THE TRUCK GET FINED, OR DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO ASKED FOR THAT SERVICE PROVIDER TO COME OUT THERE AND DELIVER SIDE OR POUR CONCRETE, OR DO WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DO?
>> THAT WOULD GIVE THE DEFINITION OF HAVING THIS ORDER.
>> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE ARRIVED AT THE $2,000 MAX FINE FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS.
THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME UP FROM.
WE LOOKED FOR THE STATE, AND THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM.
WHAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION YOU HAD JUST ASKED ABOUT?
>> IF YOU'RE SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE IN THERE, THEN WE SHOULD PROBABLY ADD THAT.
BUT I WOULD ASSUME THE PERSON WHO'S POURING IT GETS IT.
THAT TO ME IS THE PERSON WHO'S RESPONSIBLE, IF THAT'S THE PERSON WHO GOT THE PERMIT.
>> I THINK THIS LAW FITS IN AN ORDINANCE THAT'S GOING TO BE ENFORCED.
WE'VE GOT TO SPECIFY WHO THE PENALTY IS GOING TO APPLY TO.
IS IT THE DRIVER OF THE CAR OR THE OWNER OF THE CAR?
>> IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN WE SHOW UP AT 2:30 IN THE MORNING, THE CONCRETE DRIVER IS GOING, I'VE GOT A CONTRACTOR THAT SAYS I HAVE TO DO THIS NOW.
THEN I'VE GOT A CONTRACTOR THAT SAYS, NO THEY SAID THEY HAD TO DO THIS NOW.
THEY POINT FINGERS AT EACH OTHER.
>> WHOEVER IS POURING IT IS WHO GETS IT, IN MY OPINION.
>> I WILL SAY, I PULLED UP LUCAS'S ORDINANCE, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE PARTIES RESPONSIBLE.
AT A PRIVATE RESIDENCE, IS ANY PERSON PRESENT WITH THE APPARENT AUTHORITY TO CONTROL THE LEVEL OF NOISE? BUT THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY THE BUSINESS OR OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL LOCATION.
I FEEL WE ACTUALLY HAVE THREE SITUATIONS.
WE HAVE COMMERCIAL OR THE ENTERTAINMENT VENUES.
WE HAVE RESIDENCES, AND THEN WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION SITES.
I FEEL I'M NOT BUYING A HOUSE IF I'M GOING TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR THIS.
I THINK THERE IS A WAY FOR US TO WORD IT SO THAT THE CONTRACTORS ARE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE IF THEY'RE THE ONES MAKING THE NOISE.
>> OTHER CITIES, IS IT TYPICAL IN THE $2,000 RANGE FOR THE RANGE OF THE PENALTY AMOUNT TO BE LINKED SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE ORDINANCE TO THE TYPE OF BEHAVIOR, OR IS THAT ENTIRELY AT THE DISCRETION?
>> IN MY DEALINGS WITH IT, IT HAS BEEN ENTIRELY AT THE DISCRETION.
THE COUNCIL OR THE LAW SETS A FINE RANGE, AND THEN IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO THE COURT HOW THEY USE THAT RANGE.
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>> UNDER THE LAW, THE MOST A MUNICIPALITY CAN FINE SOMEBODY IS $2,000.
I THINK THAT'S THE MOST OUR COURT CAN GO.
I IMAGINE THAT'S WHY THEY CHOSE THAT AS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION RELATED TO THAT.
I KNOW THAT SOUTHFORK RANCH IS A BIG PROBLEM.
THEY'RE PROBABLY BUILDING THIS INTO THEIR FEES WHEN THEY RENT OUT THEIR LOCATION.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'VE GOT A BAND THAT GOES TOO LATE OR TOO LOUD.
BUT I THINK CHARGING THEM $2,000 AS OPPOSED TO MY NEIGHBOR, WHO HAD A KIDS' BASH GOING ON, IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO DELINEATE BETWEEN A COMMERCIAL ENTITY VERSUS A RESIDENTIAL ENTITY?
>> WE CURRENTLY WORK WITH SOUTHFORK UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
SOUTHFORK, THEY HIRE DJS IN TO COME IN AND DO THEIR MUSIC, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SOUTHFORK PROVIDES THEM A COPY OF THAT ORDINANCE, AND OR ARE SUPPOSED TO.
WE MAKE CONTACT WITH THE DJ, AND THE DJ IS THE ONE THAT GETS CITED IN THOSE PARTICULAR SITUATIONS.
>> THE OTHER PART OF THAT, COLLEEN, IS I THINK IF SOMEONE GOT CITED, THE JUDGE WOULD CERTAINLY TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, WOULD BE MY THOUGHT.
>> I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT CAME OUT.
I DID NOT GET WHAT A LOT OF THEM WERE SAYING BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE IS NOT WRITTEN IN THAT WAY, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, AS FAR AS US NOT BEING ALLOWED TO KNOW, AND THE SQUIRRELS ARE GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE.
THOSE WERE A LOT OF EXCEPTIONS TO THE LAWS.
IT SAYS YOU'RE ALLOWED TO MAINTAIN YOUR PROPERTY, WHICH INCLUDES GETTING A NEW ROOF OR MOWING YOUR YARD.
THOSE ARE ALL EXCEPTIONS TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE WAY THAT'S WRITTEN.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, SEVERAL PEOPLE WALKED AWAY WITH THAT.
BUT THOSE WERE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULES.
ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WERE LISTED, LIKE THE ANIMALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ANIMALS ARE NOT BEING BANNED, YOUR LAWN NOT BEING MOWED, THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN.
I'M CONCERNED THAT SO MANY PEOPLE READ IT THAT WAY, SO MAYBE WE COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT.
BUT THAT IS NOT OUR INTENTION WHATSOEVER.
REALLY, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE SHORTENED IT BY AN HOUR IN THE MORNING, AND WE SHORTENED IT BY AN HOUR IN THE EVENING, AND WE LOWERED IT BY 10 DECIBELS TECHNICALLY, AND MADE IT SIMPLER.
WE GAVE THE OFFICERS DISCRETIONS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE OFFICERS REQUESTED TO DO THEIR JOB, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF NEIGHBOR-ON-NEIGHBOR NOISE COMPLAINTS, AND THIS GIVES THEM THE AUTHORITY TO GET COMPLIANCE.
TO ASK, PLEASE TURN IT DOWN, AND MOST PEOPLE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT THAT WAY, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO A TICKET SITUATION.
WE WORKED REALLY HARD TO TRY AND GIVE THEM THE TOOLS THAT THEY NEEDED.
>> DID Y'ALL LOOK AT GIVING DIFFERENT HOURS FOR A WEEKEND? IT SEEMS LIKE TEN O'CLOCK IS EARLY IF I'M HAVING A PARTY ON SATURDAY NIGHT.
I MAY WANT IT TO GO TO MIDNIGHT.
>> WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, MIDNIGHT BECOMES 12:45.
ON THIS SATURDAY, I CALLED THE POLICE BECAUSE AT SOUTHFORK AT 12:45 WAS A NIGHTCLUB IN MY BEDROOM.
I HAD MY GRAND-BABY AND COULDN'T PUT EARPLUGS IN MY EAR BECAUSE I NEEDED TO LISTEN FOR MY GRAND-BABY.
AT 12:45, I CALLED THE POLICE.
WE LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER CITIES WERE DOING, AND THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH.
TO BE COMPARABLE TO OTHER CITIES.
>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. HOW DID YOU DETERMINE THE 30-FOOT DISTANCE AS OPPOSED TO, SAY, 750?
>> IT CAME OUT OF SOME OTHER ORDINANCES THAT WERE OUT THERE, THE 30 FEET.
THE ASPECT WAS REALLY THAT WHILE SOME OF OUR LOTS ARE RATHER LARGE, IS THAT TYPICALLY A POLICE OFFICER ONLY HAS DISCRETION REALLY TO WALK UP TO A PUBLIC AREA, WHICH IS TYPICALLY THE ROAD, AND A LOT OF THE HOUSES ARE SET WAY BACK.
BUT AS YOU GO BACK, EVEN THOUGH THE SETBACKS ARE FAR AWAY, THE HOUSES THEMSELVES ARE MUCH CLOSER WHEN YOU GET TO THAT SETBACK.
FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF HOW CLOSE THE NOISE IS, WE SAID, A LOT OF TIMES, WE WERE HEARING THAT PEOPLE WERE COMPLAINING BECAUSE THE NOISE WAS RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THEIR MASTER BEDROOM.
WHAT WE SAID WAS THAT A POLICE OFFICER CAN GET ONTO A PIECE OF
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PROPERTY IF THE RESIDENT ALLOWS THEM ONTO THE PROPERTY.AGAIN, IT BECAME A DISCRETION STANDPOINT THAT SAYS, IF THE OFFICER WAS ALLOWED TO GET ONTO THE PROPERTY BY THE RESIDENT, WENT DOWN THERE, WAS STANDING AT THEIR HOUSE, STANDING AT THEIR MASTER BEDROOM, AND THEY THOUGHT, HEY, THIS IS UNREASONABLY LOUD AND THIS PERSON IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP AND IT'S PAST TEN O'CLOCK.
WHATEVER, THAT AGAIN, THEY HAD THE DISCRETION TO LOOK AT THAT AND DIDN'T HAVE TO STAND OUT AT THE ROAD, WHICH MIGHT BE NOT INDICATIVE OF WHAT THE NOISE LEVEL IS.
>> WE DO HAVE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE CLOSER TOGETHER THAN OTHERS.
YES, WE HAVE THE AVERAGE OF THE TWO ACRES, BUT THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE SMALLER THAN THAT, AND WHEN YOU ARE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, THAT 30 FEET IS WHAT WE DETERMINED WOULD BE THE BEST TO TAKE THAT MEASUREMENT, SHOULD WE NEED THAT.
>> THE 30 FEET GAVE ME SOME PAUSE, TOO.
MAYBE IF YOU DO HAVE HOUSES THAT ARE REALLY CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER, THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE HERE IN TOWN.
BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF HOUSES THAT ARE MUCH FARTHER AWAY FROM THAT, AND THE WAY I READ THIS, I DON'T SEE THE EXCEPTION IN HERE.
IT'S A LARGE LOT, BUT IF YOU CAN GET ON THAT LOT AND YOU'RE 30 FEET FROM IT, IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE NOISE NUISANCE ORDINANCE.
I THINK THAT'S ONE THAT NEEDS A LITTLE MORE WORK.
>> CAN I ADDRESS THAT? IF YOU'VE GOT THE BIG LOT AND YOU'VE GOT THE NOISE COMING FROM THAT BIG LOT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET TO A PUBLIC SPOT WITHIN 30 FEET.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO PERTAIN TO THAT BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE OUT AT THE STREET, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE WAY FURTHER THAN THE 30 FEET.
I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY IS GOING TO PERTAIN TO THAT SITUATION.
>> IT'S GOT TO BE MUCH FURTHER.
>> I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE.
SOME HAVE BEEN VERY USEFUL, SOME HAVE BEEN HYPERBOLE AND A LITTLE OVER THE TOP.
I DON'T THINK YOU EVER INTENDED OR WILL EVER REGULATE THE SOUND OF CRICKETS, OR CICADAS, OR BIRDS, OR ANY OTHER ANIMAL THAT'S OF NATURE, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR SOUND IS OR HOW OFTEN THEY MAKE IT.
>> YEAH, IT'S RIDICULOUS TO EVEN BRING UP THAT STUFF.
BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT ANYTHING IN HERE THAT STOPS BLOWERS AND LINE TRIMMERS, AND CHAINSAWS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOISY ITEMS. NOW, I WOULDN'T REALLY WANT MY NEIGHBOR OPERATING ONE AT SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
I PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT THEM OPERATING ONE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING ON A SATURDAY IF I WANT TO SLEEP IN.
BUT THE MAIN THING IS THERE'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE NORMAL USE OF GASOLINE POWER AND EVEN TWO-CYCLE ENGINES, RIGHT?
>> IT CLEARLY STATES THAT PROPER MAINTENANCE OF YOUR PROPERTY, THE NOISE PERTAINING TO THAT DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS IS EXEMPT FROM THIS.
MAINTENANCE OF YOUR PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO BE A VIOLATION.
>> WE TALKED ABOUT CROSS CREEK RANCH AND SOUTHFORK, WHICH WE HAVE JURISDICTION OVER.
THERE'S ALSO THE TRUCK YARD THAT'S OFF OF 2551 THAT IS ETJ.
>> NO. WE HAVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
>> WE HAVE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS.
>> TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE ABOUT GENERATORS.
[INAUDIBLE] CREATED A LARGE INPUT OF GENERATORS INTO THE CITY.
I CAN ASSURE THE RESIDENTS THAT IF WE HAVE NO POWER OUTAGE LIKE WE HAD THEN, IF SOMEBODY IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBOR'S GENERATOR, SO WHAT?
>> IT CLEARLY STATES IN ORDINANCE [OVERLAPPING] IT ADDRESSES IT.
>> TEARING PEOPLE UP OVER THEIR GENERATOR.
>> NO, THAT IS AN EXEMPTION CLEARLY STATED IN THE ORDINANCE.
>> MAYBE THIS WILL BE MY FINAL COMMENT.
I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN SOME GOOD INPUT.
I CAME IN HERE NOT KNOWING WHETHER I WAS GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS, AGAINST IT, OR TO TABLE IT.
WHAT I'VE HEARD IS ENOUGH CONCERN FROM THE CITIZENS, AND I HAVE ENOUGH CONCERN OF MY OWN ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE WRITTEN HERE, THAT I DON'T THINK TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE THE NIGHT FOR THAT.
BUT I DO HAVE A COMMENT BACK TO SOME OF THE CITIZENS AS WELL.
SOME OF YOU, IN MY OPINION, YOU'LL HAVE A LITTLE MORE CREDIBILITY IF YOU TONE DOWN THE HYPERBOLE.
CRICKETS AND CICADAS AREN'T THE PROBLEM.
ONE OF THE PERSONS WHO WROTE ME IN AN EMAIL WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT NOT HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
THE PERSON THAT WROTE THAT WAS A FORMER CITY COUNCILPERSON WHO CHOSE NOT TO ATTEND THE NOISE COMMITTEE MEETINGS. IT WAS TODD.
DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.
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TO MY UNDERSTANDING, ALL OF THE MEETINGS THAT YOU ALL HAD, RANDY, WERE OPEN FOR ANYBODY TO NOT ONLY ATTEND AND LISTEN.>> THAT'S CORRECT. OBVIOUSLY, I THINK EVERYONE THAT LISTENS TO OR CAME TO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS KNOWS THAT DURING THE UPDATES, WE IDENTIFIED WHEN THE NOISE COMMITTEE MEETINGS WERE, AND IT SAYS, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THOSE THAT CAME TO THE MEETING CERTAINLY BECAME PART OF THE COMMITTEE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A SET GROUP OF COMMITTEE PEOPLE THAT ONLY HAD A VOICE.
ANYONE THAT WAS THERE HAD A VOICE AS TO WHAT IT WAS, AS WE HAD OUR MEETINGS.
>> I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYBODY THAT'S GOT CONCERNS ABOUT WHERE THIS GOES NEXT, TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CONVERSATIONS.
>> I DON'T PERSONALLY THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION TO ADOPT THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS, BUT I'VE HEARD CONCERN ABOUT THE DISTANCE, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING FOR US TO DISCUSS AND SETTLE ON.
THE MINIMUM FINE AMOUNT AND THEN ALSO THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY DELINEATING THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY.
>> ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS AND BRING IT BACK ANOTHER TIME?
I MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE TO DISCUSS AND SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THOSE THREE ITEMS.
>> IF YOU MEAN FOR THAT TO BE POSTPONED AND BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL, IT NEEDS TO BE POSTPONED TO A SPECIFIC DATE.
>> I'D LIKE TO POSTPONE IT TO JULY 1.
>> CAN WE HAVE THE NOISE COMMITTEE MADE BEFORE THEM?
>> I DON'T THINK THAT IT CAN BE DONE THAT QUICKLY.
>> OUR NEXT MEETING, I THINK, IS JULY 15TH.
>> THEN, CAN I REQUEST THAT THE NOISE COMMITTEE MEET?
>> IS THAT AGREEABLE TO YOU ON THE SECOND ON CHANGING YOUR SECOND?
>> I ACCEPT THE CHANGE AND CONTINUE SECONDING.
>> I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE SET UP A NOISE COMMITTEE MEETING TO ADDRESS THE THREE ISSUES.
>> DO WE NEED TO DO THAT HERE, OR CAN YOU SEND AN EMAIL OUT? I STARTED TO SAY, CAN [INAUDIBLE]
>> THE NOISE COMMITTEE COULD MEET AND JUST ELECT.
YES, I WAS THE HEAD OF THE NOISE COMMITTEE, BUT NOT REALLY.
EVERYONE GOT THE SAME VOTE AS IT WENT THROUGH.
I'M CERTAINLY POSITIVE THEY CAN MEET AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS TO WHAT YOU'VE ASKED.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
>> YES, MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE ON IT.
WHAT I WANT TO ASK IS COUNSEL HERE, WHAT'S THE OPTION OTHER THAN POSTPONEMENT SO THAT WE CAN NOT TAKE ACTION ON THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE SETTING UP HERE AND WE'RE PICKING A DATE SPECIFIC TO VOTE ON THIS AGAIN WITHOUT KNOWING WHETHER OR NOT THE SOUND COMMITTEE IS GOING TO HAVE ADEQUATE TIME TO RECONSIDER THESE THINGS, GET THE INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS AND COME BACK TO US.
>> YOU COULD DO A MOTION TO POSTPONE FOR FURTHER INPUT FROM THE NOISE COMMITTEE AND NOT HAVE A DATE CERTAIN ON IT BECAUSE, I BELIEVE, STAFF WOULD PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA ANYWAY.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE YOU HAVE TO PUT A DATE ON IT.
WE SAY IN ORDER FOR A MOTION TO POSTPONE TO BE VALID, IT HAS TO HAVE THAT SPECIFIC DATE.
HOWEVER, IF YOU SAY YOU WANT TO REFER IT, FOR EXAMPLE, TO THE NOISE COMMITTEE, THEN PRESUMABLY, WHEN IT'S FINISHED, THE NOISE COUNT COMMITTEE WOULD REFER IT BACK TO COUNCIL.
>> WITH THAT IN MIND, I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR THAT IT BE POSTPONED UNTIL THE NOISE COMMITTEE SENDS A REVISION BACK TO US TO VOTE ON AFTER THEY'VE CONSIDERED INPUT.
>> COLLEEN, IT'S YOUR MOTION. DO YOU ACCEPT?
>> YOU MADE THE SECOND. DO YOU ACCEPT THAT?
IS THERE A FUNCTIONAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND TAKING IT TO THE 15TH AND DEFERRING OR POSTPONING THE VOTE AGAIN?
>> THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE IF IT'S NOT READY ON THE 15TH, THEN IT WOULDN'T COME BACK.
IT WOULDN'T COME BACK UNTIL THE NOISE COMMITTEE NOTIFIES US THAT THEY ARE READY FOR IT TO COME BACK.
THAT COULD BE JULY, THAT COULD BE AUGUST.
>> IF THAT'S THE CASE, I SEE NO FUNCTIONAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO ARRANGEMENTS, SO I'LL ACCEPT IT AS A SECOND.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0.
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>> NEXT, WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 5,
[5. RECEIVE PARKS AND RECREATION PRESENTATION AND GIVE P&R COMMISSION DIRECTION.]
WHICH IS A PRESENTATION STARTING OFF WITH PARKS AND RECS, AND WE HAVE THE CHAIR OF PARKS AND RECS, FRANK DACOSTA, HERE TO DO THE PRESENTATION.>> [BACKGROUND] CAN YOU GIVE THIS BACK TO PATTY?
>> [BACKGROUND] WELL, CITY COUNCIL, MADAM MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR LANGLEY COMING HERE, HAVING THESE STUFF LAID OUT.
I'M FRANK DACOSTA, CITY CHAIRPERSON FOR THE CITY OF PARKER PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION.
WE ARE A CITY COMMISSION, FIVE VOTING MEMBERS, UP TO FOUR OPPONENTS.
ALL ABOUT EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE PARKS AND REC.
I JUST WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT WHAT WE DO, BEAUTIFICATION.
WE KEEP AND EYE ON OUR GREEN SPACES AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS.
[INAUDIBLE] AREA OVER ON THE EAST SIDE THAT WE COVER OVER OBSESSIVELY AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS BEAUTIFUL.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE [INAUDIBLE] TROOP OUT THERE, PUTTING IN A POLLEN AIR GARDEN.
WE LOVE HAVING THAT INTERACTION WITH PEOPLE THAT CAN HELP BEAUTIFY [INAUDIBLE]. WE DO SIGNAGE.
THE SIGNS THAT ARE OUT THERE, WE DESIGNED AND [INAUDIBLE] ALSO PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
THE GREAT AMERICAN CLEANUP, ONCE A YEAR, WE DO.
THE CITY OF PARKER PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION WE OPERATE UNDER THE NAME KEEP PARKER BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE WE ARE [INAUDIBLE] ACCEPTED REGISTERED MEMBER OF KEEP TEXAS BEAUTIFUL.
THIS LAST TIME AROUND, WE HAD ABOUT THREE VOLUNTEERS COME OUT, WHICH WAS AWESOME.
THEY SWARMED LIKE BEES OR BUGS OR SOMETHING.
ACROSS THE GREEN SPACE, WE GET PAPERS AND BAGS AND GLOVES, AND WHATNOT.
THEY CLEAN A LOT OF STUFF. WE LOVE DOING THAT.
USUALLY, WE'LL DO IT IN TANDEM WITH BIRTHDAY.
SOMETIMES WHEN [INAUDIBLE] AND FIND SOME OTHER SYNERGIES TO MAKE THAT INTERESTING.
OF COURSE, THE BIG EVENT FOR US IS PARKER FEST.
THAT'S WHERE WE'VE POURED OUR LIVES' BLOOD INTO THIS LAST TIME.
WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL, 1,500 PLUS ATTENDEES.
WE HAD 20 OR MORE VENDORS PETTING MONEY FOR A TEN-BY-TEN SPOT AND SELLING THEIR WARES AND THE SERVICES, AND WHATNOT.
ALWAYS LIVE MUSIC, FOOD, CRAFTS AND GAMES FOR ALL AGES, PETTING ZOO, BOUNCE HOUSE, ALL THINGS, CAR SHOW.
LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE DONE CAR SHOW AND IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.
IT'S'S BEEN ARGUABLY THE MAIN THING WE DO WITH EVERYTHING, ELSE FALL [INAUDIBLE].
THE OTHER THING WE DO IS PROJECT.
WITH BUDGET CYCLE COMING UP, WE WANTED TO EXPOSE WHAT WE SAW AS OUR [NOISE] THAT WE VALUE THEM.
WE RECOMMEND, WE DIG, WE PUT INFORMATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
YOU GUYS DECIDED HOW TO SPEND THE MONEY.
PARKER FEST IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE PRIORITY NUMBER ONE FOR US.
CURRENTLY, IN OUR BUDGET, WE RECEIVE, I THINK, $10,000 EACH YEAR FOR EVENTS.
WE'RE GOING TO REQUEST THIS CYCLE AROUND TO BUMP THAT A BIT BASED ON THE PAST FEW YEARS AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN AS WHAT IT ACTUALLY COSTS TO RUN PARKER FEST.
THE IDEA BEING THAT IF WE BUMP IT A BIT, THEN WE SWEAT A LITTLE LESS.
WE DON'T WANT TO WORRY ABOUT A CERTAIN SPONSOR DECIDED NOT TO DO ANYTHING THIS YEAR, AND SO MAYBE WE CAN'T HAVE A BAND.
WE REALLY DO NOT HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
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OF COURSE, YOU GUYS WILL DECIDE WHETHER TO DO THAT OR NOT.SECOND THING IS HOLIDAY LIGHTING.
EACH YEAR, WE HAVE DONE SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT, MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WE HAD IN OUR OWN HANDS, WE KEPT IN OUR OWN GARAGE, WE BROUGHT OUT, OR WE RENTED SOMETHING, AND THEN LAMENTED THAT WE SPENT TOO MUCH MONEY.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD PLAN FOR HOLIDAY LIGHTING.
A LOCAL CITIZEN, KEN BROWN, WHO SEEMS TO LIGHT UP HIS YARD RATHER BRIGHTLY, CAME TO US AND SAID, I CAN DO THAT FOR YOU.
I CAN PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND MAKE THINGS LOOK REALLY GOOD.
SO HE MADE A PROPOSAL, SAID $4,500, AND I WILL BUILD YOU ALL THIS STUFF, SHORT-DISTANCE RADIO BROADCAST OF MUSIC, ALL THE THINGS YOU WOULD NORMALLY THINK OF.
HE AGREED TO SET IT UP AND TEAR IT DOWN EACH YEAR FOR NOTHING, WHICH IS, I CAN SEE THAT.
WE HAD TO TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS OR THAT YOU WILL AGREE TO DO THIS, BUT WE COULDN'T WALK AWAY FROM SUCH AN OFFER.
THE OTHER WRINKLE IS, THOUGH, IT'S A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE UP A TEN-BY-TEN SPACE SOMEWHERE, OR WHETHER WE RENT A SPACE OR WHETHER KEN BROWN DOES AND CHARGES US FOR IT.
WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES, BUT WE DO HAVE A GENERAL STORAGE ISSUE.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL ASK YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER IS PERHAPS FINDING SOME HOLIDAY LIGHTING.
OUR GAZEBO IS IN FAIR TO MIDDLE TO POOR STATE.
BUT IT'S A REGULAR PROBLEM FOR GARY AND CREW TO [INAUDIBLE] LOOSE ON IT, AND PEOPLE TYPICALLY SAY IT'S A DANGER.
GARY HAS CERTAINLY STATED HIS DESIRE THAT WE DO SOMETHING SPECIFIC ABOUT THE GAZEBO.
IDEALLY, TEAR IT TO THE GROUND, BUILD A BRAND NEW ONE THAT IS REALLY VERY MAINTAINABLE.
WE LOOKED AT SOME PRICES AND GOT SOME QUOTES AND WHATNOT.
WE THINK THAT'S BETWEEN 50-90K TO TEAR IT DOWN, PUT A SLAB, BUILD A NICE GAZEBO WITH STEEL POST, OR WHATEVER ITEMS WE NEED THAT FITS INTO THE STYLE OF THE AREA.
THAT'S A PROJECT THAT COULD BE TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE.
LAST ONE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THIS DREAMING ASPIRATION PARK, WHAT WE CALL THE PARKER PAVILION PROJECT.
THE IDEA OF MAYBE HAVING 2000-2400 SQUARE FOOT UNDERCOVER OF A SHADE OF A PAVILION RIGHT ON IN OUR GREEN SPACE, MAYBE WITH PICNIC TABLES THERE, TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THOSE AWAY AND HAVE A BAND IN THERE DURING PARKER FEST OR HAVE PUBLIC EVENTS THERE, MEET AND GREAT CANDIDATES FOR OFFICE, WHATEVER ELSE.
THEN NEARBY HAVE REST FACILITIES BECAUSE WE HAVE NO REST FACILITIES OUT THERE NOW.
IT WOULD BE A BOOM TO THOSE WHO ARE WALKING THE TRAIL TO DO THINGS.
HERE'S WHERE WE WERE THINKING FIRST.
MAYBE POP IT NEAR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THAT BEND OF THE TRAIL, LARGELY BECAUSE THE ELECTRICITY IS THERE, THAT WILL BE SIMPLE.
BUT ANYTHING IS ON THE TABLE AS FAR AS WHERE WE WANT TO PUT IT, AND THAT SHOWS YOU MORE POSSIBILITY. HOW DO YOU PAY FOR THIS THING? WE DID SOME PRELIMINARY LOOKING AT WHAT THE COSTS WOULD BE.
WE'VE CONTACTED SOME COMPANIES THAT MAKE THE KITS THAT YOU CAN GET ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING, AND ESTIMATE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BUILD AND EVERYTHING.
THESE ARE THE NUMBERS WE CAME UP WITH, 140K FOR THE PAVILION, THE RESTROOMS GETTING ONE OF THOSE PRE-MADE RESTROOM FACILITIES WITH UPGRADED TO HAVE STAINLESS DEAL IN SIDES AND ALL OF THAT, ABOUT 90K IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT.
THEN JUST SHAKE THE WHOLE THING AND SAY THAT IT'S ABOUT 250K, PLUS OR MINUS 20% OR SOMETHING, BUT JUST NARROWING INTO A NUMBER. HOW DO YOU PAY FOR THAT? WE'RE THINKING OF 50% GRANT.
COLLIN COUNTY HAS A GRANT SYSTEM THAT WILL COVER THIS THING.
WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, WE'VE GOT THE PAPERWORK, AND WE'VE DONE THE PAPERWORK.
BUT THE IDEA IS, IT'S A 50% GRANT WITH A COMMITMENT FROM SOMEBODY THAT THE OTHER 50 IS GRANTED.
THAT OTHER 50% WOULD HAVE TO BE EITHER THE CITY ITSELF COMMITS THE OTHER 50%, OR WE DO A MIX OF THAT AND PRIVATE SPONSORSHIP.
BUT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THAT 50% NEEDS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE IN ORDER FOR COLLIN COUNTY TO EVEN CONSIDER.
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HOW WE APPROACH THIS, ASSUMING WE EVEN DO THIS? 2025, WHAT WE THINK IS WE'LL DO PROMOTION.I'VE GOT A PICTURE DOWN THERE.
WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED PARKERPAVILION.COM.
WE'VE CRANKED UP TO SHOW PICTURES AND WHAT WE'RE THINKING.
I THINK THE IDEA I HAD BEHIND THIS IS JUST WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS CITIZENS TO PITCH POINTS.
WE WANT TO ENGAGE THE CITIZENS.
WE WANT TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO.
WE WANT YOU TO FEEL A PART OF THIS. WE WANT YOU TO FEED IT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO DESIGN BY COMMITTEE, BUT WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU AND SEEK PUBLIC INPUT, SEEK SPONSORSHIP.
SOME BUSINESSES, IF YOU PUT MY NAME ON THIS THING, I'LL PAY FOR THE WHOLE THING.
2025 IS GOING TO BE THAT ACTIVITY.
LET'S GO IN, LET'S KICK THE TIRES AND SEE WHETHER THIS IS EVEN A VALID THING TO CHASE.
IF IT IS BY THE END OF 2025 AND EARLY 2026, WE DECIDE TO PROCEED, WE GO AHEAD AND FILL OUT THE APPLICATION.
WE'RE TALKING EARLY JULY, AS ONE MAY WANT THE PAPERWORK, GIVES US PLENTY OF TIME TO SORT THINGS OUT TO HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS, YES, WE HAVE THE 50% SIGNED UP BY SOMEBODY.
BY LATE 2026, THE GRANT IS EITHER APPROVED OR NOT.
IF IT ISN'T APPROVED, THAT SOLVES THE ISSUE.
IF IT IS APPROVED, WE COULD STILL, YOU ALL CAN DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO AHEAD WITH IT.
BUT IF YOU DECIDE ALL IS GOOD, STARS ARE ALL ALIGNED IN EARLY 2027, WE BREAK GROUND.
THEN SOMETIME MID TO LATE 2027, WE HAVE A WONDERFUL PAVILION AND [INAUDIBLE].
BUT AGAIN, IT IS A PROJECT THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT GO FORWARD WITH.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER PRIORITIES YOU MAY HAVE WITH REGARD TO OTHER BUILDINGS.
YOU MAY SAY, WE DON'T WANT TO BURN OUR ENERGY ON THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT A BIG DEAL OVER CITY HALL OR [INAUDIBLE].
BUT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE HAD SOME ENERGY ON, AND WE HAVE DONE SOME WORK IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
I WANTED TO RAISE ONE OTHER ITEM TO THAT.
WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON OUR BUDGET, AS PARKS AND REC, THAT WE HAVE NOT PULLED THE TRIGGER ON, AND WE WANTED TO EXPLAIN WHY THAT HAPPENED.
LAST YEAR, THE CITY COUNCIL ALLOWED FOR US TO PURSUE A PORTABLE MODULAR STAGE LARGELY FOR PARKER FEST.
THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE WE HAD BANDS COME AND WE HAD THEM PLAYING IN [INAUDIBLE].
WE SAID, CAN YOU PLEASE PURSUE THIS? WE ALSO DECIDED TO PURSUE A PUBLIC ADDRESS SOUND SYSTEM.
THE IDEA THERE WAS, WE WOULD HAVE A BAND COME THROUGH AND THEY'D SAY, WELL, WE WOULD CHARGE YOU THIS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO AND RENT EQUIPMENT BECAUSE YOU ALL DON'T HAVE EQUIPMENT.
WE SAID, WELL, IF WE HAD EQUIPMENT, WE COULD USE IT FOR PARKER FEST, WE COULD USE IT FOR THE CITY ALL THROUGH THE YEAR.
[INAUDIBLE] USE A LITTLE BIT OF [INAUDIBLE].
WE WOULD SAVE THAT MONEY EVERY TIME WE HIRE A BAND.
WELL, WE DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH ON THOSE.
HERE'S THE REASON BEHIND WHY WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
FIRST THING IS, CITY OF ALLEN LOANED US A STAGE, A SUPERIOR STAGE, A STAGE WITH SHADE, A STAGE THAT THEY DROVE UP IN, AND WE NOW HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF ALLEN.
LAST YEAR, THEY PROVIDED A STAGE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN THIS YEAR, AND THEY MAY CONTINUE TO DO IT.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, COULD WE BUY THAT STAGE? [LAUGHTER] IF WE COULD FIND A PLACE TO PUT IT, THAT'D BE AWESOME.
BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN MY DRIVEWAY.
IT MAY JUST VIOLATE CITY NOISE [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'M SURE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT THAT MADE US BACK AWAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DOING THE STAGE BECAUSE WE HAD A SUPERIOR [INAUDIBLE] POCKET.
BUT THE OTHER PROBLEM IS WHAT WE WERE ALREADY REFERRED TO AS STORAGE.
THE SOUND SYSTEM AND THE MODULAR STAGE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.
TALKING TO GARY, HE SAID, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF STORAGE FOR THESE THINGS.
THEN WE SAID, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN RENT A TEN BY TEN.
WELL, WE WANTED TO GET THE SOUND SYSTEM SO WE COULD SAVE MONEY, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT MONEY IN STORING.
LONG STORY SHORT, WE SAID, WELL, GEE, MAYBE WE WANT TO BACK OFF A LITTLE BIT.
THIS IS JUST A PICTURE OF THE STORAGE NEEDS.
IF WE HAD TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, IT'S ABOUT 75 SQUARE FOOT OF SOUND EQUIPMENT AND STAGE MODULES.
THAT'S $900 A YEAR OR SOMETHING, BUT YOU'D RATHER NOT PAY.
WE'RE HOLDING OUR BREATH ON THAT AND SAYING, WELL, MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE CITY, MAYBE COMES UP WITH SOME STORAGE IDEAS FOR WHAT WE NEED BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST FOR US.
CAN I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT PARKS AND REC
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DOES OR ANYTHING I TALKED ABOUT?>> DID YOU SAY AT THE BEGINNING, FRANK, THAT WHAT YOU PRESENTED IN ORDER WAS YOUR PREFERENCE IN ORDER? DID I UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT?
>> MAY I ASK YOU, YOU PROJECTED AN INCREASE FOR FUNDING FOR PARKER FEST.
DO YOU HAVE A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH?
>> FIVE K. TOTAL OF 15. IT'S ALREADY 10.
>> I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD JOB THAT YOU DO.
I'VE BEEN TO THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS AND YOU RUN THE MEETING VERY WELL.
YOUR ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY IS WONDERFUL TO SEE, AND THE GIRL SCOUTS CAME THIS TIME, AND THEY REALLY ENJOY GIVING BACK, AND YOU'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. THANK YOU.
>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WANT SOME DIRECTION FOR COUNCIL ON IF THEY HAVE SOME PRIORITY TO SHARE WITH YOU, INSTEAD OF YOU JUST DECIDING, WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR THE GAZEBO.
WHAT IS IT THAT COUNCIL SEES IS THE MAIN PRIORITIES SO THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO PRIORITIZE THEIR BUDGET, THEIR EVENTS? GO AHEAD.
>> I JUST COMMEND YOU FOR THE JOB THAT YOU DO.
MOST OF MY EXPOSURE TO YOU HAS BEEN THROUGH MY WIFE, VICKI, WHO HAD THE PLEASURE OF SERVING WITH YOU ON THIS COMMITTEE FOR A WHILE.
I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING BUT GOOD THINGS ABOUT YOU AND THE WORK THAT YOU DO.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR CITY.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE PAVILION FOR TWO DIFFERENT REASONS.
IT'S A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH AND NOTICEABLE ENOUGH FACILITY THAT I THINK IT WOULD REALLY ADD VALUE TO OUR CITY, BUT IT'S NOT SOME MULTI MILLION DOLLAR EXPENDITURE THAT WE'VE REALLY GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW IN THE WORLD ARE WE EVER GOING TO AFFORD ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF YOU GOING FOR THE GRANT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE, AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU'VE APPLIED FOR IT.
IN TERMS OF JUST MY INPUT AND EVERY OTHER COUNCIL PERSON HERE HAS GOT JUST AS MUCH INPUT AS I DO.
I HAVE NONE IN MY INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY IS I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE THAT.
I TRUST YOU, YOU'RE THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON THIS.
I DO AGREE WITH MR. PILGRIM ABOUT THAT THAT WOULD REALLY BE AN ASSET WITH THE PAVILION.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH ABOUT FUNDING.
ASIDE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET, WHERE CURRENTLY DOES THE REST OF YOUR FUNDING COME FROM?
>> UNTIL WE LOST OUR PRIMARY FUNDRAISER THROUGH OUR ORGANIZATION, WE HAVE ASKED A COUPLE OF, I PROFESS, WE HAVE GONE OUT AND FOUND LOCAL BUSINESSES TO COMMIT SOME FUNDS, AND SO WE'VE GOTTEN SOME FROM THERE.
WE JUST CANNOT TRUST THEM NECESSARILY [INAUDIBLE].
THREE YEARS AGO, THE ANSWER WAS THE COMMISSIONS.
WE ACTUALLY PAID FOR PARKER FEST OUT OF OUR OWN POCKET.
>> THIS TIME WHEN PARK AND RECS WAS TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER THEIR FISCAL YEAR AND THEIR PLANNING YEAR, THEY WONDERED, WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO COUNCIL? THEY WANTED SOME DIRECTION BACK FROM COUNCIL ON, LIKE YOU SAID, BUDDY, THE PAVILION.
IS THE GAZEBO AN IMPORTANT THING OR IS THE SOUND STAGE MORE IMPORTANT? ABOUT THE HOLIDAY LIGHTS, GO AHEAD.
>> ALL I'M GOING TO SAY IS, WE'RE FINE.
THE ONE THAT I CARE ABOUT THE MOST KNOWING IN ADVANCE IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE SAID ABOUT THE PAVILION.
IF YOU ALL SAID, HE SOUNDS SO PASSIONATE, BUT THE LAST THING I WANT TO THINK OF IS US GOING AFTER A PAVILION.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE THEN I WON'T TURN UP PARKERPAVILION.COM AND GET THE CITY THINKING IT'S COMING AND THEN FIND OUT, NO, WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO IT AT ALL.
BUT FOR THE REST OF IT, I'M CONTENT TO LET THE BUDGET PROCESS, YOU WORK THAT OUT.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IN THE FORMS, SAY, HERE'S WHAT OUR BUDGET AND THEN WE'LL PRESS ON WHATEVER.
THEN WHEN YOU ALL DECIDE THEN WE'LL FIND OUT THE GOOD NEWS OR BAD NEWS, [INAUDIBLE].
>> I WOULD SAY WE HAVE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS ON CITY NEEDS AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE.
I THINK THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN IT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THE PAVILION ON ITS OWN WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE REST.
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>> I BELIEVE THAT THE GAZEBO IS A SAFETY CONCERN AT THIS POINT.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
IS IT TEAR DOWN ALL OF IT RIGHT NOW? CAN WE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE TO FIX IT OR IS IT STILL STRUCTURALLY SOUND THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A LAWSUIT?
>> IS IT PRETTY BAD REPAIR TODAY?
>> EVERY TIME WE GO OVER THERE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE GOING TO TEAR THAT DOWN.
THEN LET'S PLAN ON GETTING SOMETHING ELSE BUILT THERE.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN AT THIS POINT.
>> WE TAKE IT DOWN AND THEN GET TO THE PLANNING LATER.
>> ONE LAST COMMENT ABOUT THE WORK YOU'VE BEEN DOING ON GETTING A GRANT FOR THE PAVILION.
YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE 50% COMMITTED.
IF 250 IS THE NUMBER, FOR EXAMPLE, DO WE HAVE TO COMMIT TO SPENDING $250,000 IN THE HOPES THAT HALF OF THAT WILL BE OFFSET OR DO WE HAVE TO COMMIT TO SPENDING $125,000?
I ORIGINALLY SAID THAT YOU HAD TO COMMIT TO THE WHOLE AND THEN THEY WOULD STEP IN WITH A 50%.
I CALLED THEM AND FOUND OUT THAT I WAS WRONG.
THE CITY OR SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO COMMIT TO SIMPLY THE 50%.
THEN OF COURSE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU COULD DECIDE NOT TO SPEND IT ALL, BUT THE COMMITMENT IS FOR 50%.
THAT'S WAY BETTER THAN LAST TIME.
>> WE'RE THRILLED WITH THE GRANT PROCESS FOR COLLIN COUNTY.
IT IS REALLY FAIRLY SIMPLE TO FILL UP PAPERWORK EXCEPT THAT THERE'S KNOWLEDGE THAT WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER.
WE WOULD HAVE MOVED A LITTLE FASTER ON IT IF WE ALL BEEN, IF DON AND I WERE CIVIL ENGINEERS, BUT WE'RE NOT.
>> YOU'RE NOT GUARANTEED THAT GRANT MONEY.
YOU PUT IN FOR IT, AND IF YOU'RE AWARDED, THEN YOU GO FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
>> I COULD SEE IT BEING A SIGNATURE ITEM FOR PARKER.
WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S A SIGNATURE ITEM FOR THE CITY.
THE CLOSEST THING TO A SIGNATURE ITEM FOR THE CITY IS OUR WATER TOWER.
>> WHO IS YOUR CITY STAFF POINT PERSON THAT YOU WORK WITH ON THESE GRANTS AND THAT? WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A PERSON ON THE GRANTS.
THAT'S WHERE [INAUDIBLE] GOT ONE YET.
>> WE HAVE A COUPLE OF VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE GRANT EXPERIENCE THAT HAVE SAID THEY WOULD HELP WITH THE PROCESS ONCE IT GOT GOING.
WE REALLY NEED A CITY PERSON THAT HAS GRANT EXPERIENCE, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S SAD.
IT HURTS. FRANK, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE'RE NOT FINISHED WITH PARKS AND RECS JUST YET.
THE OTHER THING WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS FOR TWO VACANT POSITIONS.
IF YOU'LL LOOK IN YOUR PACKET, THERE IS AN APPLICATION FROM BILLY BEAR AND FROM SARAH SHARP FOR THE ALTERNATE 1 AND ALTERNATE 2 POSITIONS.
WE ARE NOT READY AT THIS TIME WITH PARKS AND RECS TO GO FORWARD ON ANY OF THE REST OF THEM BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF FINDING OUT ON SOME RESIGNATIONS, IF THE RESIGNATIONS HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN, IF THE SITUATION HAS CHANGED.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT INFORMATION.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE ONLY WANT TO GO ON WHAT WE'RE SURE OF, WHICH IS WE HAVE TWO OPEN POSITIONS AND WE HAVE TWO APPLICANTS.
>> MAYOR, I DON'T ACTUALLY SEE THAT ON THE AGENDA.
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>> I DO NOT SEE THAT ON THE AGENDA.
>> IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RIGHT THERE, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S NOT.
>> THIS IS WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AND THIS IS WHAT'S ACTUALLY THERE.
>> WE WILL BRING THIS BACK ANOTHER TIME. I APOLOGIZE.
>> IF IN OUR ISSUED DIRECTION.
>> IT'S JUST NOT EVEN ON HERE.
[6. CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION, AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON AN UNFILLED ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT POSITION.]
NEXT, WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 6, CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION, AND ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON AN UNFILLED ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT POSITION.COUNCIL, THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE HERE LAST YEAR OR PAYING ATTENTION, REMEMBER THAT WE HAD A POSITION THAT WE WEREN'T INTENDING TO FILL.
AT THIS TIME, WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT THAT POSITION BE UNFROZEN SO THAT WE CAN HIRE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, WHICH WILL BE AN ASSISTANT CITY SECRETARY, WHICH IS VERY MUCH NEEDED.
GRANT, THIS IS A FUNDED POSITION, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YES, MA'AM. THE POSITION WAS FROZEN, BUT THE FUNDING REMAINED IN PLACE.
JUST RELAY BACK TO COUNCIL TO UNFREEZE THAT POSITION ON THIS.
>> A MOTION TO UNFREEZE THE POSITION, SO MOTIONED.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER SHARPE.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO UNFREEZE THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT POSITION FROM COUNCILMEMBER SHARPE AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER BOGDAN.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HERE. MR. KERCHO.
>> I KNOW THAT THE POSITION, I THINK, WAS WHEN WE HAD FUNDED MEAN THAT THERE WAS A SALARY OR COMPENSATION AMOUNT ATTACHED TO IT, CORRECT?
>> FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER I KNOW THAT WE ORIGINALLY WERE LOOKING FOR THAT AND DIDN'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF INDIVIDUALS INTERESTED BACK WHEN BEFORE WE EVEN FROZE IT.
TWO QUESTIONS. ONE IS, I KNOW THAT PATTY HAS BEEN OUT AND WE'RE SORELY BEHIND IN TERMS OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY HERE, REALLY, SECRETARY POSITION PERIOD.
FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I KNOW THAT THERE'S MASSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANYTHING FROM A SHORT TERM PERSPECTIVE THAT WE CAN GO OUT AND GET HELP IN ORDER FOR PATTY WHILE EVEN PERHAPS WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY?
I TRIED TO FIND AN INTERIM CITY SECRETARY AND WAS NOT ABLE TO DO SO.
WHEN WE WENT OUT BEFORE, WE DIDN'T GO OUT.
WE TALKED TO THE EXISTING STAFF, IF ANY OF THEM WOULD LIKE TO BE CROSS TRAINED TO LEARN HOW TO BE CITY SECRETARY.
THEY JUST DON'T HAVE TIME AND THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO WORK UNTIL MIDNIGHT.
THEY'RE THEY'RE JUST TOO BUSY.
SINCE PATTY WAS HIRED IN 2015, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAME UP OR I DID WHEN PATTY WENT OUT, WE STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT ALL SHE DOES.
IN 2015, GENERALLY A MONTH, WE HAD TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS AND ONE P&Z MEETING.
TODAY, WE HAVE TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS, MAYBE TWO OR THREE P&Z MEETINGS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WORKSHOPS.
HER WORK IS MORE THAN QUADRUPLED, AND YET SHE'S NOT GOTTEN ANY HELP.
>> DID WE POST FOR AN ASSISTANT CITY SECRETARY OR DID WE POST FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT?
>> WE'VE NEVER POSTED, PERIOD, ON THIS PARTICULAR JOB.
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>> WHAT WOULD WE BE POSTING FOR?
>> THIS TIME, IT WOULD BE FOR AN ASSISTANT CITY SECRETARY.
>> THOSE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS.
>> THOSE ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
THERE'S A LOT OF ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANTS OUT THERE, BUT A CITY SECRETARY HAS SPECIFIC SKILL SETS AND UNDERSTANDING OF PROCEDURES AND LAW.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE POSTING THE APPROPRIATE JOB.
TO THAT CASE, IF WE ARE LOOKING FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, THEN WE COULD GO TO A TEMP SERVICE AND GET SOMEBODY TO FILL IN.
>> SURE. BUT THAT'S AT THIS TIME, THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR MAIN NEED IS.
WE TRIED TO SEE IF ONE OF OUR CURRENT PERSONS AND THEY JUST DIDN'T FEEL THEY COULD.
WE KNEW WE HAD THIS POSITION THAT WAS INITIALLY GOING TO BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, AND THAT IS NOT OUR BIGGEST NEED RIGHT NOW, THE CITY SECRETARY IS.
>> THEN I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO REFLECT ASSISTANT CITY SECRETARY.
>> ARE YOU AGREEABLE TO THAT AMENDMENT?
>> DOES THE BUDGET ALLOW FOR THAT? THERE'S A BIG SALARY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
THE WAY THE WORDING OF THE AGENDA SAYS, UNFILLED ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, BUT DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT TO ASSISTANT CITY SECRETARY?
>> THAT WAS THE POSITION THAT WAS FROZEN, SO THAT WAS THE POSITION THAT NEEDS TO BE UNFROZEN.
THEN THE POSITION CAN BE CHANGED ADMINISTRATIVELY AFTER THE FACT.
>> GOT IT. THEN WE'LL KEEP IT, THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT UNFROZEN?
>> I SUPPOSE I HAVE TO DENY YOUR CHANGE.
>> [LAUGHTER] IT'S BEEN A NIGHT, I'LL TELL YOU.
>> DID WE EVER POST THAT? I THOUGHT THAT WE DID POST FOR THOSE TWO POSITIONS.
>> WE DID POST OVER A YEAR AGO, BUT THEN WE NEVER REALLY TOOK ACTION.
WE DIDN'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF RESPONSE.
I WILL SAY, THOUGH, WHEN IT WAS POSTED FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, THAT WE [INAUDIBLE], SO WE DID GET A LOT MORE RESPONSES.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING IN THE ECONOMY, BUT WE GOT A LOT MORE RESPONSES FOR THE POSITIONS THAT WE HAD POSTED.
>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, THEN I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF UNFREEZING THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT POSITION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANYONE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU.
[7. Check Caption (May need re-wording) CONSIDERATION AND ANY ACTION ON FIREWORKS TO INCLUDE BEING REFERRED TO P AND Z.]
[LAUGHTER] NEXT, WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 7.CONSIDERATION IN ANY ACTION ON FIREWORKS TO BE REFERRED TO PLANNING AND ZONING.
COUNSEL, RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT FIREWORKS PROCEDURES OR REGULATIONS, OR ORDINANCE.
I THINK IT WAS DONE IN THE '70S.
THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT IS TO SOUTHFORK.
PEOPLE ARE CALLING US ALL THE TIME, OR THEY CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTING TO KNOW ABOUT HOW DO I GET A PERMIT TO DO FIREWORKS.
WHO DO I GET IT FROM? WELL, RIGHT NOW THERE IS NOT A STANDARDIZED PROCEDURE, AND SOME OF THE STUFF IS SO OLD, IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
WITH SOUTHFORKS, SINCE SOUTHFORK HAS, HOW DO YOU CALL IT, SPLIT OFF PART OF THEIR DEAL, THAT WHOLE THING IS BEING LOOKED AT ANYWAY.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND COME UP WITH A PROCEDURE FOR THE CITY OF PARKER ON FIREWORKS.
I THINK THE PLACE TO DO THIS IS PLANNING AND ZONING.
THAT'S THEIR THING, AND FOR US TO DO IT IS STEPPING ON THEIR TOES.
I'M ASKING THAT WE GO AHEAD AND REFER THAT TO THEM. COLLEEN?
[02:05:06]
>> MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO REFER ORDINANCE NUMBER 201 RELATING TO FIREWORKS AND THE PREVENTION OF FIRES TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION.
>> DO WE NEED TO ADD ORDINANCE 244 TO THAT AS WELL? WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE ORDINANCES REGARDING FIREWORKS.
>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S NOT LISTED IN THE AGENDA ITEM. CAN I DO THAT?
>> I THINK THAT WHATEVER YOU REFER TO THEM, IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT.
WHATEVER THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS, IT'S GOING TO CONSIDER ALL YOUR ORDINANCES.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER HALBERT TO REFER THE FIREWORKS ORDINANCE TO PLANNING AND ZONING, AND A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM PILGRIM.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OF COURSE, MR. KERCHO.
>> I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST OBVIOUSLY PUSHING FIREWORKS AND IN THE FUTURE SIGN ORDINANCE OVER TO P&Z, WHERE IT CERTAINLY BELONGS.
BUT I KNOW THAT WE RECENTLY PUSHED OVER TO PLANNING AND ZONING TWO THINGS.
ONE WAS REALLY TO RELOOK AT THE ENTIRE SOUTHFORK ORDINANCE COMPLETELY, GIVEN THAT THE WHOLE, AS YOU SAID, THE REZONING, THE RESIDENTIAL OF A LARGE PORTION OF IT, BASICALLY PROBABLY PUTS THEM IN NON-COMPLIANCE WITH EVEN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT'S OUT THERE.
THEIR JOB WAS TO LOOK AT IT IN WHOLE AND REDO IT.
WE ALSO ASKED THEM TO COME UP WITH A COMMERCIAL ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
NOW WE'RE PUSHING FIREWORKS AND ASSIGNING TO CHAIR EVENTUALLY AS WE GET TO THE AGENDA TO THEM.
THE QUESTION IS, IS P&Z MAKING PROGRESS ON THE OTHER TWO THINGS, AND ARE WE GIVING THEM DIRECTION AS TO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM THEM IN TERMS OF ORDER OR WHATEVER, OR WE'RE JUST THROWING A BUNCH OF STUFF AT THEM AND SEEING WHAT COMES OUT?
>> GARY, HAVE YOU MET WITH P&Z?
>> AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE CHAIR OF P&Z HAS BEEN OUT OF THE COUNTRY; HE'S NOW BACK, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TOGETHER.
I DO EXPECT THEM TO START MEETING NOW THAT RUSS IS BACK IN TOWN.
>> I WOULD JUST SAY, THESE AREN'T VERY OLD ORDINANCES, SO I DO THINK THEY ARE THE BEST TO REALLY TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THIS.
THIS ISN'T US CHANGING 30 FEET TO 60 FEET, AND THEY CAN OBVIOUSLY, AS THEY DID IN 1976, BORROW FROM VERNON AND GET SOME TEMPLATE TO WORK OFF OF.
>> IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, THEN I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF REFERRING THE FIREWORKS ORDINANCE TO P&Z FOR POSSIBLE REVISION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING ON THE SIGN ORDINANCES.
[8. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REFERRAL OF ORDINANCE NO. 201, RELATING TO FIREWORKS AND THE PREVENTION OF FIRES, TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION]
THERE ARE TWO ISSUES ON THE SIGN ORDINANCES THAT HAVE COME TO MY ATTENTION.CURRENTLY, THE CITY OF PARKER DOES NOT ALLOW ELECTRONIC SIGNS.
PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ABOUT, WELL, WHY CAN'T WE GET AN ELECTRONIC SIGN IN MONUMENTS TO SHOW OUR MEETING IS TONIGHT OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED.
THE OTHER THING ON SIGNAGE HAD TO DO WITH THE ELECTION.
I HAVE NEVER RECEIVED AS MANY COMPLAINTS OF SIGNAGE AS I DID THIS ELECTION.
MANY OTHER CITIES ONLY ALLOW A CANDIDATE TO HAVE THREE SIGNS OR FOUR SIGNS, DEPENDING ON WHAT CITY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AT CITY HALL DURING EARLY VOTING AND THE ELECTION DAY.
PEOPLE FELT THAT WE JUST HAD A MESS OUT THERE, AND IT WAS OVERDONE, AND IT WAS HORRIBLE, IN THEIR WORDS.
I THOUGHT, I KNOW THE CITY OF LUCAS HAS AN ORDINANCE FOR THREE SIGNS.
I THINK ALLEN HAS FOUR SIGNS THAT THEY ALLOW AT THEIR POLLING PLACES.
[02:10:03]
I THOUGHT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND DECIDE, WHAT DO WE WANT TO ALLOW AT OUR CITY? AGAIN, THAT WOULD GO TO P&Z.>> MADAM MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REFER THE ISSUE OF CREATING SOME GUIDELINES FOR SIGN ORDINANCE TO P&Z AND FOR THEM TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM PILGRIM AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER SHARPE TO REFER TO THE SIGN ORDINANCES TO P&Z AND FOR THEM TO BRING BACK THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MR. PILGRIM.
>> THIS IS THE POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MINUTE AGO.
IT'S BETTER HERE ANYWAY, PICKING UP ON WHAT COUNCILMAN KERCHO SAID A MINUTE AGO ABOUT ALL THESE PRIORITIES WE PUT ON P&Z.
I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL IF WE GAVE THEM SOME GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF THEIR PRIORITIES.
I WOULD SAY THE SIGN ISSUE IS NOT URGENT.
WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE THAT IN PLACE UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTION OR JUST PRIOR TO THE NEXT ELECTION.
I THINK THEY NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
WE NEED IT BY THEN, BUT WE DON'T NEED IT NEXT MONTH.
FIREWORKS, CONSIDERING WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE 4TH OF JULY, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO TURN IT THAT QUICKLY.
I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO GIVE THEM A GOAL OF JUST HAVING SOMETHING ON THE FIREWORKS POLICY BEFORE NEW YEAR'S OR BEFORE THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, SO THAT WE CAN CONSIDER IT IN ONE OF OUR DECEMBER MEETINGS.
THEN LET THEM PUT THOSE OTHER THINGS AS A PRIORITY.
THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT IS, SETTING SOME PRIORITIES FOR THEM IN TERMS OF TIMING.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NOT HEARING ANY, THEN I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF REFERRING THE SIGN ISSUES TO PLANNING AND ZONING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANYONE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0.
GARY AND/OR PATTY, WILL YOU SHARE WITH PLANNING AND ZONING THE PRIORITIES FOR THE CITY ON THE THINGS WE HAVE REFERRED TO THEM, AND WE WILL GET WITH YOU ON THAT IF YOU NEED US TO.
[10. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPRPORIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2025-850 APPROVING AN ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR A SECOND WATER TOWER.]
CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2025-850, APPROVING ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR A SECOND WATER TOWER.MR. KERKHOFF, I BELIEVE YOU'VE BEEN WAITING HERE ALL NIGHT JUST TO TALK TO US.
>> I LOVE HANGING OUT WITH Y'ALL [INAUDIBLE].
[LAUGHTER] MAYOR AND COUNCIL, GOOD TO SEE YOU.
CRAIG KERKHOFF, I'M A CONSULTANT ENGINEER WITH BIRKHOFF, HENDRICKS & CARTER.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH HISTORY YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH TO, BUT YOU NOW NEED A SECOND ELEVATED STORAGE TANK [INAUDIBLE] ON THE NEXT ELEVATED TANK.
YOU ALREADY HAVE A SITE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SELECTED.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GO ACQUIRE NEW LAND OR FIGURE OUT WHERE.
WE KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE. WE KNOW HOW TALL IT'S GOING TO BE.
WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET ON CONSTRUCTION AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
>> I JUST HAVE A TECHNICAL QUESTION BECAUSE I'VE BUILT A LOT OF WATER STORAGE FACILITIES IN THE CHICKEN BUSINESS OVER THE YEARS, BECAUSE WE USE A LOT OF WATER AT CHICKEN PROCESSING PLANTS.
WE BUILT NEARLY TWO MILLION GALLON STORAGE TANKS THAT WERE GROUND LEVEL RATHER THAN ELEVATED. ELEVATED IS WONDERFUL.
I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT OUR CURRENT WATER TOWER IS OUR MARQUEE FOR THE CITY RIGHT NOW, BUT DO WE NEED AN ELEVATED TOWER AS OPPOSED TO A LARGER GROUND-LEVEL STORAGE FACILITY THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HOLD MORE WATER AND STILL PROVIDE ADEQUATE PRESSURE?
>> WE NEED THE ELEVATION YOU'RE SAYING?
>> A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE TCEQ REQUIRES YOU HAVE 200 GALLONS PER CONNECTION OF STORAGE.
THAT MEANS HALF OF IT HAS TO BE ELEVATED, SO THERE'S PART OF THE TCEQ REGULATIONS.
THE OTHER PART IS HOW WE SIZE YOUR WATER SYSTEM.
A LOT OF YOUR [INAUDIBLE] BUT THEN WE SIZE THE TANK TO THE MAX HOUR SO YOU'RE NOT OVERSIZING A SYSTEM.
[02:15:01]
THAT PRESSURE IN THE ELEVATED TANK IS WHAT ACTUALLY PRESSURIZES YOUR SYSTEM, SO YES, YOU NEED A SECOND ELEVATED TANK FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.>> GREAT QUESTION. MR. KERCHO.
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M A LITTLE BIT OF SHOCK AT THE PRICE TAG OF EIGHT MILLION.
I KNOW THAT WE DID A WATER STUDY, WHICH I THINK YOUR FIRM DID IN TERMS OF TRYING TO PULL TOGETHER WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE FOR WATER RATES MOVING FORWARD, AND WHEN THAT WAS DONE AND PUT INTO THE RCIP, IT WAS FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.
IT WASN'T JUST ALL TOO LONG AGO THAT WE DID THAT, AND HERE WE ARE, AND IT'S EIGHT MILLION, SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE COMMENT AS TO HOW IT MOVED FROM FIVE TO EIGHT OVER A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
>> COVID. YOU'LL FIND THAT USUALLY WHEN THERE'S A LOCAL [INAUDIBLE] AND A LOT OF TIMES, THEY GET BUDGETS FROM AND THEY KNOW THESE BUDGETS TAKE A LONG TIME TO INITIATE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AND BUDGETARY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET FOR 2-3 YEARS WHEN THEY GIVE IT TO US.
DURING COVID, THEY WERE CALLING ME ABOUT EVERY MONTH OFFERING NEW BUDGETS, JUST THE COST OF MATERIALS, SUPPLIES, PEOPLE.
THAT DID PLATEAU ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO AGO, SO THAT NUMBER, WE WOULD THEN START CONSTRUCTION [INAUDIBLE].
>> OVER THE LAST 3-4 YEARS, ELEVATED TANK PROJECTS HAVE BEEN GOING UP EXPONENTIALLY.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION TO YOUR POINT WHERE YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU DID A RECENT ONE, THAT IT CAME OUT, I GUESS AT EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> SEVEN MILLION, YES. THE EIGHT MILLION IS ALREADY IN THERE, YOU HAVE QUALITY CONTROL, MATERIAL TESTING, CONCRETE TESTS AS WELL, PAINTS.
>> I ASSUME THE OTHER CITY HAD ALL THAT AS WELL.
IS THEIR PRICE TAG AT EIGHT MILLION IN TOTAL?
>> A LITTLE NORTH OF THAT, ACTUALLY.
IT'S GOT MORE SITE WORK THAN Y'ALL GOT, SO THEIR TANK IS AT 7.4 AND YOURS IS ABOUT 7.1, SO IT'S A LITTLE NORTH OF THAT.
>> YOU'RE A CITY ENGINEER, AND BASICALLY A PART OF THE BID HERE IS YOUR OWN FEE, FOR HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
JUST CURIOUS FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, AND GARY, YOU CAN ANSWER THAT FOR ME, IS WHAT PROCESS DO WE GO THROUGH THAT SAYS, 500,000 IS EQUITABLE AND FAIR? DO WE SEE WHAT'S ALL THESE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE PUT IN A MILLION-GALLON ELEVATED WATER TANK? BECAUSE THERE'S GOT TO BE A NUMBER OF CITIES THAT ARE PUTTING IT IN.
>> WHAT WERE THE TOTAL COSTS OF THOSE, AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE WERE ENGINEERING COSTS? DO WE DO ANY PROCESS LIKE THAT?
>> THERE'S TWO THINGS. ONE, THE STATE OF TEXAS SAYS IT'S ILLEGAL TO BID ENGINEERING SERVICES; IT'S A QUALIFICATION-BASED SELECTION.
AT THE SAME TIME, EVERY ENGINEERING CONTRACTOR FOR EVERY CITY IS PIR ELIGIBLE, SO IF Y'ALL WANTED TO COMPARE IN THAT MANNER, I'LL LET YOUR CITY ATTORNEY OF HOW YOU CAN LEGALLY DO THAT, BUT ALL OF IT IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE INFORMATION.
THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD THE CITY BE LOOKING AT THAT STUFF AND SAYING, WHAT ARE WE SEEING FOR THOSE LOW COSTS BEFORE WE SIGN OFF ON AN EIGHT-MILLION-DOLLAR PROJECT AND GIVE OUR ENGINEER HALF A MILLION? WHICH MIGHT BE EQUITABLE, IT MIGHT BE MORE THAN EQUITABLE, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I HAVE NOTHING TO JUDGE ON OTHER THAN A PIECE OF PAPER THAT SOMEONE PRESENTED THAT SAYS EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS, AND I'D LIKE A HALF MILLION OF THAT.
>> AS A COUNTER TO COUNCILMEMBER KERCHO'S SUGGESTION, I WOULD THINK THAT ALL WATER TOWERS, ELEVATED WATER TANKS BUILT WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS, ARE PUBLIC INFORMATION AND LINE ITEMS IN THEIR CITY BUDGET.
COULD WE HAVE A CITY EMPLOYEE PERHAPS PREPARE A REFERENTIAL LIST OF SURROUNDING COUNTIES WHO'VE HAD WORK DONE, AND THAT WE COULD REVIEW AND COMPARE TO SEE IF WE'RE WITHIN AN ACCEPTABLE RANGE OF DEVIATION FROM THE AVERAGE?
>> I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM IF Y'ALL DO THAT, BECAUSE HONESTLY, WE'RE A SMALL SHOP, A LITTLE OVERHEAD, SO [INAUDIBLE] GET ON THAT.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU DO AS YOUR STATE ATTORNEY WHEN YOU VERY CAREFULLY NAVIGATE THE QUALIFICATION-BASED SELECTION LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.
I'M HAPPY IF Y'ALL DO THAT [INAUDIBLE].
>> ARE YOU TALKING TO GET ANOTHER BID FOR SERVICES?
>> NO, THE OPPOSITE. AS I WAS SAYING, THIS IS PUBLIC [OVERLAPPING] FOR ANY CITY THAT DOES IT.
THEREFORE, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS DETERMINE WHAT CITIES HAVE PUT UP WATER TOWERS IN THE LAST SAY YEAR, LOOK AT THE COSTS, WEED OUT ANY WATER TOWER THAT IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE SIZE.
THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE BALLPARK ESTIMATES ON WHETHER OR NOT THE COST IS APPROPRIATE.
[02:20:02]
I'M SURE IT IS. I'VE PERSONALLY NEVER BOUGHT A WATER TOWER BEFORE.>> ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION THAT THIS BE POSTPONED UNTIL SUCH TIME AS SOME COST COMPARISONS CAN BE RENDERED TO COUNCIL?
>> HAVE WE DONE COST DUE DILIGENCE ALREADY? I SUPPOSE THIS QUESTION WILL BE TARGETED TOWARDS GARY.
>> ARE WE MEETING IN TWO WEEKS OR ONE WEEK?
>> JULY 1ST, WHICH IS TWO WEEKS.
>> GARY, DOES THIS SIGNIFICANTLY GET HAMPERED BY PUSHING IT OUT TWO WEEKS? DO WE NEED TO ELEVATE THIS TO ONE WEEK AWAY?
>> NO, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAMPER BY PUSHING IT OUT TWO WEEKS.
>> THEN I MOTION THAT WE REVIEW COMPARABLE WATER ELEVATION TOWERS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY OF TEXAS, NORTH TEXAS, THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, THAT HAVE PUBLIC COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
>> AT THIS TIME, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
>> ON PAGE 123, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS AN ERROR.
CAN YOU PUT THAT UP THERE? HOW DO WE DO THAT? SEE, THIS REFERENCE IS A 250,000-GALLON TANK VERSUS THE A MILLION THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
>> I'M NOT ON THE SAME PAGE AS YOU GUYS, I'M SORRY.
>> IT'S A TYPO? THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED BEFORE WE START ON THAT.
>> IS YOUR REPRESENTATION THAT YOUR FEE IS 5%, 8%? WHAT?
>> I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN PROJECTS LIKE THIS.
I'VE NEVER DONE ELEVATED TOWERS, BUT I'VE DONE A LOT OF GROUND TOWERS.
REALLY, ANYTHING UNDER A 10% ENGINEERING FEE IS A VERY COMPETITIVE FEE, JUST AS A POINT OF INFORMATION.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM UNTIL WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW COMPARABLE WATER TOWERS IN THE AREA SIMILAR TO PARKER, IS THAT CORRECT? THE MOTION IS BY COUNCILMEMBER SHARPE, THE SECOND IS BY RANDY KERCHO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING THIS UNTIL WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW COMPARABLE PRICES ON WATER TOWERS THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO OURS IN THIS AREA, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
WAIT A MINUTE, HOLD UP YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 3-2 WITH COLLEEN HALBERT AND BUDDY PILGRIM VOTING AGAINST.
THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE READY TO MOVE TO UPDATES.
[11. UPDATES]
MAYOR PRO TEM PILGRIM, YOU WANT TO UPDATE US ON TCEQ?[02:25:01]
THE TCEQ REFERRED IT TO SOAH COURT.THE OFFICIAL NOTICE HAS BEEN SENT OUT TO SOAH COURT.
THIS IS FOR THE MUD APPLICATION FOR THE RESTORE THE GRASSLANDS HUFFINES PROJECT, AND IT TAKES ANYWHERE FROM 30-90 DAYS FOR SOAH TO ASSIGN THAT TO A JUDGE AND FOR THE JUDGE TO SCHEDULE THE FIRST HEARING, SO WE'RE STILL IN A WAITING PERIOD.
NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN, CERTAINLY IN THE NEXT WEEK, BECAUSE I NOTICED ART RODRIGUEZ, THE CITY'S ATTORNEY ON THIS MATTER NOTIFIED TCEQ AND SOAH COURT THIS WEEK THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE ON VACATION FOR THE NEXT WEEK AND REQUESTED THAT THE COURT TAKE NO ACTION DURING THE PERIOD OF TIME WHEN HE'S ON VACATION.
[OVERLAPPING] OTHER THAN THAT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GO TO THE MEETING THAT JORDAN RAMIREZ IS HOLDING NEXT WEEK, THE 25TH, AT SOUTHFORK, AND ASK HIM ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO ASK HIM ABOUT WHAT HE WOULD PROPOSE TO DO ON THAT 100 ACRES OF PROPERTY.
>> NEXT IS DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, MACHADO.
DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATE ON 2551?
>> PARKER ROADS IS LIME STABILIZING THE BASE, AND THEY'RE STARTING AT COVE ROAD AND PARKER, THERE TO WORK TOWARDS LAYING CONCRETE ON THAT.
THEY SAID THEY SHOULD START LAYING CONCRETE, PROBABLY IN AUGUST, ON THAT SECTION.
THEY STILL HAVE GOT MORE SUBSURFACE DRAINAGE TO WORK DOWN THE DILLEHAY SECTION, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE STARTING ON THAT ALSO SOON.
>> I WILL TRY TO UPDATE EVERYBODY AS MUCH AS WE CAN ONLINE WITH THE WEBSITE ON ANY INCONVENIENCES THAT MIGHT BE COMING REAL CLOSER TO [INAUDIBLE].
>> COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATE ON LEWIS LANE? EITHER YOU OR MR. SHARPE?
>> I WOULD ASK COUNSEL TO PROVIDE THE UPDATE.
>> THIS IS STILL A WORKING PROCESS.
OBVIOUSLY, SOMETHING THAT STILL HAS A GREAT DEAL OF IMPORTANCE FOR THE CITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL IS WORKING ON GETTING A RESOLUTION FOR.
>> MS. HALBERT, THE POST OFFICE ZIP CODES.
>> I DO NOT HAVE INFORMATION, BUT MS. LYNCH ACTUALLY PROVIDED ME WITH A COPY OF THE BILL AND SOME INFORMATION.
>> DUBLIN ROAD WATER LINES. MR. MACHADO.
>> WE ARE WORKING THROUGH GETTING THE PAY REQUEST CORRECTED AND FINALIZED FOR THIS SECTION THAT'S COMPLETED.
THEY'RE STILL FINISHING THE GRADING ON THE EDGES, AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE THERE.
THEN WE'LL HAVE CONTRACTS FOR SIGNATURES MAYBE AS EARLY AS THE END OF THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK, AND THEN PRECONSTRUCTION, AND THEN BEGIN THE NEXT PHASE.
>> HOW ABOUT THE PUMP STATION BUILDING? THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING?
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY PROGRESS ON THAT AT THE MOMENT, BUT I WILL WORK ON THAT BY NEXT WEEK.
THE PLAN ITSELF WILL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL TO BE UPDATED IN JULY BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN IT'S SCHEDULED TO COME BACK FOR ITS UPDATES.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NEEDS TO BE SCHEDULED FOR A WORKSHOP WITH COUNCIL SO THAT WE CAN FINISH OUR WORK AND THEN GO FORWARD WITH A PUBLIC HEARING AND HOPEFULLY FINISH IT.
PRAY. [LAUGHTER] BUT WORK IN PROGRESS.
ANY OTHER UPDATES THAT I'M MISSING? I'M NOT HEARING ANY.
[12. ACCEPTANCE OF DONATION(S) FOR POLICE, FIRE, AND CITY STAFF FOR THE RECORD (Each valued at between $0 - $1,000 [RES. NO. 2024-801])]
I WOULD LIKE TO ACCEPT SOME DONATIONS FOR THE FIRE POLICE AND CITY STAFF FOR THE RECORD.JIM AND CYNDI DAUGHERTY DONATED SNACKS VALUED AT $30 TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
[02:30:02]
ANGELA STEGMAIER DONATED GIRL SCOUT COOKIES VALUED AT $50 TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.BHARGARI PATEL DONATED COOKIES VALUED AT $10 TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE EVANS FAMILY DONATED VARIETY SNACKS VALUED AT $65 TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
MARIA WEILAND DONATED SNACKS VALUED AT $40 TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
HUMAIRA HUSSAIN DONATED GIRL SCOUT COOKIES VALUED AT $75 TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
MARYAM BOROUJERDI AND MOHAMMAD MASSOUDI DONATED ONE DOZEN NOTHING BUNDT CAKES BUNDTINIS VALUED AT $28 TO CITY STAFF.
I REALLY WANT TO THANK ALL OF OUR DONORS.
I APOLOGIZE THAT THIS INFORMATION GOT DELAYED A BIT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT GRATEFUL FOR IT.
WE ARE. WE REALLY THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE IT.
NEXT, I'LL ASK, IS THERE ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? THEN THE LAST THING I NEED TO DO IS MOVE.
[Additional Item.]
Y'ALL ALL KNOW HOW WEIRD OUR RANDY IS.[LAUGHTER] RANDY SAID, I DON'T WANT ANY [INAUDIBLE] AND I DON'T WANT A CERTIFICATE.
THE ONLY THING I WANT IS A HAT.
[APPLAUSE] PLEASE, SAY A FEW WORDS.
>> [INAUDIBLE]. [LAUGHTER] THEY SAID I HAVE VERY LITTLE ROOM IN THE HOUSE, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS DON'T GO UP ON THE CEILING OR ON THE WALLS OR ANY PLACE ELSE.
FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, IT WAS GOING TO GO NO PLACE OTHER THAN THE [INAUDIBLE] SO THE CITY DOESN'T NEED TO SPEND THAT MONEY.
THEN WHAT BETTER OFF THAN GETTING A HAT THAT THEY GIVE TO FOLKS IN [INAUDIBLE].
[APPLAUSE] [INAUDIBLE] WE ARE ADJOURNED INTO A RECEPTION FOR MR. KERCHO.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.