[CALL TO ORDER]
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>> WE'RE GOING TO START THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING OF AUGUST 22, 2024 AT 17:02.
WE'RE GOING TO START WITH ROLL CALL HERE, AND WE'VE GOT ALL OF THE REGULAR MEMBERS PRESENT.
THAT'S GOOD, AND WE HAVE TWO ALTERNATES PRESENT.
WE'LL DO THE PLEDGES AND THEN GET DOWN TO BUSINESS.
>> THE NEXT ITEM OR THE FIRST ITEM,
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
I SHOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE HERE IS BASICALLY PUBLIC COMMENTS.SO WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF COMMENT CARDS HERE.
WE WILL ASK THAT IF YOU TRY AND LIMIT YOURSELF TO THREE MINUTES IF YOU INTEND TO SPEAK, MAKE SURE YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF SO WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE, AND SO IT'S PLAINLY AUDIBLE ON THE RECORDED MINUTES.
WITH THAT, JOE, DO YOU WANT TO?[OVERLAPPING] WE'LL START WITH THE.
>> PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE COMMENTS.
>> MOST OF THESE ARE FOR THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA.
>> WE'LL PUT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ALONG WITH THE PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM. SOUNDS GOOD.
FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS COLIN AND AUBREY MARINO SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
PUBLIC HEARING FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3901 SYCAMORE LANE AND THE 3,900 BLOCK OF SYCAMORE LANE FOR COLIN AND AUBREY MARINO.
CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3901 SYCAMORE LANE AND 3900 BLOCK OF SYCAMORE LANE FOR COLIN AND AUBREY MARINO.
THAT SOUNDS REDUNDANT, BUT OKAY.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER 1.
[1. COLIN AND AUBREE MARINO SPECIAL USE PERMIT (SUP)]
COLIN MARINO. COME ON UP HERE, MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT THE MIC ON AND EVERYTHING SO WE GET SOME GOOD AUDIO AND HAVE A IT.STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
>> COLIN RENO 3901 SYCAMORE LANE, PARKER, TEXAS. IT'S QUITE SIMPLE.
WE MOVED TO PARKER TO HAVE A FARM, HAVE HORSES, BREED HORSES, RAISE HORSES, AND TRAIN THEM.
WE BOUGHT A FARM. WE'RE JUST BASICALLY UPDATING IT.
WE GOT FOUR BABIES ON THE WAY.
THE ARENA THAT WE'RE USING NOW IS NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR WHAT WE NEED.
WE JUST NEED TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER AND MOVE IT OVER A LITTLE BIT TO A BETTER POSITION, AND SO WE'RE ASKING THE CITY PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
IT IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. SOUNDS GOOD.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
>> HOWDY. I'M PAULMORE AT 4307 SYCAMORE, NEIGHBOR OF THE MARINOS, AND JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS MY ENTHUSIASM AND SUPPORT OF THE WORK THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING THERE AT THE FARM.
IT'S NICE TO SEE THE PROPERTY BE REVITALIZED AND BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT NEW ARENA AND IMPROVEMENTS MADE.
I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR ALL THEIR EFFORTS ON THE PLACE. THANK YOU.
>> I'M DAVE MORGAN. I LIVE AT 3808, SYCAMORE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE MARINOS I SHARE ABOUT 1,000 FEET OF SYCAMORE WITH THEM.
EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE ON THAT PLACE IS JUST FIRST CLASS, AND I THINK EXCELLENCE IS THE WATCHWORD FOR THEM.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE ARENA IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE OR ANY OF THAT, I'M SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO A FIRST CLASS JOB.
WE CAN ALREADY SEE THAT BY THE WORK THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN PLACE THERE.
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ANYWAY. I HAVE NO HESITATION AT ALL TO COMPLETELY ENDORSE WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE.>> MARCY MORGAN, 3808 SYCAMORE.
THIS IS ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WE LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE MARINOS.
THEY INVESTIGATE AND RESEARCH EVERY PROJECT WELL.
THEY HAVE EXPERTISE, AND EVERYTHING THEY DO IS DONE WITH EXCELLENCE.
I LIVE AT 6,100 GREGOR Y LANE, PARKER, TEXAS.
I MOVED TO PARKER TO GET A FROM THE CITY CONGESTION.
I ENJOY THIS COUNTRY LIVING WHERE I PREFER COUNTRY LIVING, GOOD NEIGHBORS, RAISING ANIMALS, GROWING PASTURES FOR LIVESTOCK.
I MOVED HERE TO GET AWAY FROM ALL THE CONGESTION AND ALL CRAZINESS OF THE CITY.
THE LAST THING I WANT IS A GIANT NEIGHBORHOOD IN FRONT OF ME.
I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP EVERYTHING LIKE IT IS, THE COUNTRY LIVING, SOUTHFORK IS PART OF WHO WE ARE.
I'M NOT READY TO GIVE THAT UP.
WE MOVED HERE FOR THAT REASON TO KEEP ALL THIS GOOD FOR ALL OF US LIVING HERE. THANK YOU.
>> I'M SORRY THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TRIED TO KEEP THIS TOWARDS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT WE'VE GOT YOU ON RECORD FOR THIS. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS CONCERNING THE MARINO SPECIAL USE PERMIT? [INAUDIBLE]
>> HI. MY NAME IS CHARITY SMITH.
I'M ACTUALLY A NEIGHBOR OF THE MARINOS.
I LIVE AT 4003 WIN DREAM LANE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR AND ADJACENT TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THE ARENA. A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
THEY BUILT A I GUESS YOU CALL IT, A MAN-MADE HILL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THE ARENA ON TOP OF.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A TEN FOOT WALL, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A LIGHT STONE COLORED THAT'S GOING TO FACE WEST AND ALSO FACE TO THE NORTH.
THE WAY MY HOUSE IS SITUATED, IS THE BACK WALL, THE WEST WALL IS GOING TO BE FACING ALL OF MY LIVING ROOM AND BEDROOM WINDOWS.
I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH AUBREY AND TOLD HER THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT REFLECTIVITY OF THE WESTERN SETTING SUN ON THAT LIGHT COLORED WALL, YOU KNOW, REFLECTING INTO MY WINDOWS, CREATING A NUISANCE AND A GLARE.
THEN MY SECOND CONCERN IS JUST AROUND THE NOISE AND ALL THE ADDITIONAL ACTIVITY.
THEY HAVE HISTORICALLY HAD SOME BORDERS.
AUBREY HAS EXPRESSED TO ME THAT THIS IS FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY AND THEY'RE NOT INTENDING ON TAKING ON ADDITIONAL BORDERS.
I THINK IF THAT'S TRUE AND ADDRESSED IN THE ORDINANCE, THAT WOULD ALLAY MY FEARS AROUND ADDITIONAL ACTIVITY.
FOR EXAMPLE, JUST THAT IT'S ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY THAT IT'S FOR PERSONAL USE AND THERE WON'T BE A RIDING ACADEMY, PROFESSIONAL COURSE TRAINING, ETC OCCURRING IN THE ARENA.
THEN LASTLY, IT'S JUST THE LIGHTING ISSUE.
I ALSO RAISED THAT TO THE MARINOS AND THEY INDICATED THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT DOES NOT INCLUDE LIGHTING.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OBVIOUSLY THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE BRIGHT LIGHTS EITHER FACING OUTWARD OR WITHIN THE ARENA, THAT ARE GOING TO REFLECT DIRECTLY INTO MY WINDOW SINCE MY HOUSE IS RIGHT THERE.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD ASK TO IN THE ORDINANCE, IF YOU COULD ALSO ADDRESS THE NUMBER OF GRAZABLE ACRES AND NUMBER OF HORSES THAT ARE ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S IT, REALLY. I GUESS ONE LAST THING I ALSO DID SPEAK WITH AUBREY AND SHE MENTIONED ABOUT WE WERE DISCUSSING ABOUT POTENTIALLY PLANTING SOME TREES.
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE PLANTING SOMETHING AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY REALLY TO HELP WITH THAT REFLECTIVITY ISSUE.
IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.
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>> YEAH. GO AHEAD. YEAH, SURE. PLEASE.
>> I HAD THREE LETTERS, ALSO TO TWO AND ONE HOME, THAT PEOPLE THAT I'VE ALSO EXPRESSED THEIR APPROVAL OF OUR ARENA.
BUT ALSO ANYTHING THAT WOULD OFFEND ANYONE ELSE OR HAVE PROBLEMS WITH WE ABSOLUTELY WORK WITH AND MANAGE TO HELP THEM.
IF THERE WAS A GLARE, WE COULD FIX THAT IN WHATEVER WAY WE NEED TO.
THERE'S NO WAY TO PROVE IT RIGHT NOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT AFTERWARDS, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND HELP.
IF THERE'S LIGHTING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY REFLECT INTO THEIR HOUSE, STOP THAT.
>> YEAH. I'VE GOT ONE MORE. I CAN BRING IT TO YOU.
DIDN'T THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO YOU HAVE AT LEAST TWO PLACES WHERE RESIDENT EMPLOYEES LIVED ON THE PROPERTY?
>> THERE WAS ONE, BUT I THINK THE GENTLEMAN WAS RELATIVELY ILL, AND THEY PETITIONED A SPECIAL USE FOR THAT HOUSE OUT FRONT FOR A CAREGIVER FOR A WHILE.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S ONLY BEEN PERSONAL FAMILY USE.
WE INTEND TO TAKE THAT DOWN AT ONE POINT.
>> HENCE THEY CALL NURSE HOME.
>> THE EXTRA LIVING SPACES, WE INTEND TO TAKE THAT DOWN.
>> I'M SORRY. I DO HAVE QUESTIONS IF YOU COULD COME BACK.
I'M SORRY, I HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF TIME.
I'M HAVING A HARD TIME INTERPRETING THE SITE PLAN.
THE ELEVATION WILL CHANGE WITH RESPECT TO THE ARENA.
IS IT BEING BUILT ON THE EXISTING ARENA SITE?
>> CURRENTLY, AS IT SITS, YES.
AS SHE ALLUDED TO EARLIER, WE DID DO SOME CHANGES ON THE DIRT.
THAT WAS ALL APPROVED BY THE CITY AND THROUGH A HYDRODYNAMIC ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULDN'T AFFECT ANY WATER FLOW IN THE AREA.
THAT WAS ALL DONE THROUGH THE ENGINEER AND IT'S STAMPED AND APPROVED.
BUT AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, THERE WILL BE NO CHANGES IN THE DIRT LEVEL.
>> WHAT CHARITY WAS SAYING ABOUT THE HILL, THAT'S PART OF THAT APPROVED?
>> IT IS THERE NOW. IT IS APPROVED.
>> YOU RAISED RAISED THE ELEVATION SOMEWHAT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE DRAINAGE AND EVERYTHING IS GOING OVER TO THE POND AREA?
>> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU.
YOU'RE BILLING THIS AREA AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A WRITING ACADEMY OR ANYTHING.
THIS IS ALL FOR PERSONAL PEOPLE?
>> WELL, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A BORDER NOW.
THEY'VE HAD BORDERS AT THAT PROPERTY FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
TO SAY IT'S COMPLETELY PERSONAL, NO, BUT WE DON'T INTEND ON HAVING RODEOS OR SHOWS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
>> STILL DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION.
>> YOU GOING TO HAVE OR ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO HELP TRAIN THE WRITER?
>> YEAH. MY WIFE'S REALLY THE ONE DOING THIS.
>> DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
>> HE'S THE BUILDER. I'M THE HORSE LADY.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE BOARDER AS TWO HORSES, AND I'M SURE IF WE HAVE THE ARENA, SHE WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF USING IT.
I HAVE FOUR HORSES THAT ARE BRED THAT WHEN THOSE BABIES ARE BORN, I NEED AN AREA WHERE I CAN SAFELY TURN THEM OUT AND HAVE THEM EXERCISE AND BE WITH THEIR MOM.
WHEN THE WEATHER GETS BAD, I NEED AN AREA WHERE THE OTHER HORSES CAN GO OUT AND EXERCISE.
WE ASK FOR THE WALLS WITH RESPECT TO OUR NEIGHBORS, SO WE HAVE TWO WALLS, ONE IS FACING THE SIDE, WHERE OUR NEIGHBORS HOUSE IS, AND ONE IS ON THE END.
SIMPLY FOR THE SAFETY OF ME, AND IF ANYONE'S IN THERE WITH A HORSE, THERE'S LAWN MOWERS, CHICKENS, THINGS ON THE OUTSIDE.
I TRIED TO SHIELD ANY DUST OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE COMING FROM INSIDE THE BARN.
WE DO HAVE SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS COME OVER AND GROOM HORSES AND RIDE THEM PURELY FOR FUN.
I LIKE TO EDUCATE MY NEIGHBORS.
IF THEY HAVE A LITTLE GIRL, WHO WANTS TO COME OVER AND GROOM A HORSE, AND I'LL PUT A SADDLE ON AND TAKE THEM FOR A RIDE.
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I DON'T PLAN ON HAVING A PROFESSIONAL TRAINER COME IN.BUT IF I NEED A TRAINER COME IN TO TRAIN MY HORSES, I WOULD DO THAT FOR MY OWN PERSONAL USE.
I AM BREEDING FOUR MARES OUT OF WORLD CLASS STALLIONS THAT ARE VERY COW BRED.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL BE ABLE TO TRAIN THEM, BUT AT SOME POINT A TRAINER MAY NEED TO COME IN AND HELP ME BREAK A WEANLING OR DO SOME THINGS.
BUT THESE ARE WORLD CLASS HORSES THAT ARE WORTH A LOT OF MONEY AND I NEED SOMEWHERE TO TRAIN THEM APPROPRIATELY.
I HAVE A 60 BY 60, WHICH IS LIKE A BREAKING RINK, BUT IT'S VERY HIGH WALLS, AND IT MAKES IT VERY HOT IN THERE IN THE SUMMER.
IT'S JUST MORE FOR THE SAFETY OF ME, THE SAFETY OF OTHERS THAT I'M ASKING FOR THIS.
>> BASICALLY MAKE IT MORE CLEAR TO EVERYBODY, THERE WILL BE NO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, IS THAT TRUE?
>> I HAVE BORDERS, SO I'M ALREADY DOING COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
I WOULD CONTINUE HAVING THE BORDER THAT I HAVE.
I DON'T GO OUT AND SOLICIT FOR THEM.
BUT IF MY NEIGHBOR WANTS TO BOARD A HORSE THERE, I CAN'T SAY THAT I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE BORDERS, BUT IT IS A HORSE PROPERTY.
I'VE GONE OUT OF MY WAY TO MAKE IT SAFE, SO I AM CURRENTLY PARTICIPATING IN COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
>> HOW MANY BORDERS, DID YOU SAY ONE OR?
>> I HAVE ONE WHO HAS TWO HORSES.
I HAD ONE THAT RECENTLY LEFT BECAUSE OF ALL THE FENCING THAT'S DOWN AND THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.
I HAVE EIGHT HORSES OF MY OWN, AND THE PROPERTY ONLY HOLDS 17 ISH AT ITS MAX.
THEN, I'M GOING TO HAVE FOUR BABIES COME.
I'LL HAVE ONE LEAVE IN THE SPRING.
SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LARGE COLLECTION OF MY OWN, AND I ONLY HOLD 17.
>> THERE HASN'T BEEN AN EXPANSION OF STABLES?
>> I HAVE AN 11 STALL BARN AND A THREE STALL BARN THAT'S BY THE ROAD, SO I HAVE, WHAT 14, 15 STALLS THAT ARE USABLE.
>> HOW IS THAT WALL GOING TO BE?
>> THE WALL WILL BE 10 FOOT HIGH WITH A SIX FOOT GAP AT THE TOP FOR VENTILATION AND AIR.
>> IT'S A 10 FOOT HIGH WALL SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE ON A HORSE, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH COVERED, BUT WE LEFT THE TOP OPEN SO THAT THE AIR FLOW CAN COME IN AND OUT.
>> IT'S SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
>> IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
THAT ONE HAS A STRUCTURE THAT'S BUILT UP ON THE INSIDE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A STEEL WALL.
>> CURRENT ARENA WILL BE TAKING DOWN ONCE THE NEW ONES FILLED.
THAT'S THE PLAN, SO WE'RE CAN GET RID OF THAT.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS? COME ON. HAVE YOU FILLED OUT A CARD?
>> THAT'S ZONING, THOUGH. THAT'S FOR THE NEXT YEAR FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THERE'S ALL PLANS AND EVERYTHING.
THERE'S THESE ALL POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.
THE WHOLE AGENDA PACKET HAS 150 PAGES OF STUFF.
>> THERE'S SITE. I MEAN, THERE'S MORE STUFF HERE.
>> THERE ARE NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 17:22.
THEN THE NEXT ITEM HERE IS TO CONSIDER AND TAKE ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS PROPERTY, ON WHICH WE WILL DECIDE IF WE AGREE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON, AND IF SO, THEN WE WILL SEND OUR AGREEMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
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DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION UP HERE A COUPLE OF THINGS, I THINK.>> I THINK IT'S CONCERNS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.
>> WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OF THAT.
>> GARY, HOW SHOULD WE HANDLE THAT? ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO PLANTING TREES TO SHIELD SOME OF THE REFLECTIVITY AND PROBABLY ALSO THE LIGHT, I THINK THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE LIGHT ISSUE.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS INCLUDED IN OUR RECOMMENDATION TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AS THEY ARISE AND GET AGREEMENT FROM THE OWNER THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES SHOULD THERE BE ANY.
I THINK IF WE JUST GET AGREEMENT AND EVERYBODY'S OKAY, I THINK WE NEED TO MAYBE WRITE IT DOWN IN OUR MINUTES.
>> YOU WANT TO REWARD THAT FOR US?
>> PLANTING TREES. HE SAID THAT HE WOULD BE.
>> I THINK IT WAS ABOUT ADDRESSING ANY ISSUES CONCERNING REFLECTIVITY OR LIGHTING THAT WOULD POSSIBLY ARISE.
>> IF EVERYONE WANTS YOU TO COME UP AND SAY THAT AGAIN.
>> JUST SO WE HAVE NO MISUNDERSTANDINGS HERE.
>> SURE. WE'D LOVE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, AND WE'VE DONE THINGS TO HELP OTHER NEIGHBORS, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE'S SOME CONCERNS OR ISSUES THAT ARE REALLY BOTHERING SOMEONE, THEN WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK ON IT AND COME TO A SOLUTION THAT SATISFACTORY.
PLANTING THE TREES, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE THERE IS PART OF THE AREA THAT'S A FLOODWAY, AND I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN PLANT TREES IN A ROW IN A FLOODWAY.
>> WE SHOULDN'T INLET THE FLOW.
>> WE SHOULDN'T INLET TO FLOW.
WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT, BUT THERE'S AWNINGS, THERE'S OTHER STUFF, THERE'S PAINT.
THERE'S ALL STUFF THAT WE CAN DECREASE THE REFLECTIVITY WITH, AND IF WE HAVE TO, WE CAN GO ALL THE WAY UP WITH THE WALL TO STOP LIGHTING.
BUT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY LIGHTING IN THERE YET, SO WE DON'T EVEN PLAN ON IT RIGHT NOW, BUT WHATEVER IS NEEDED WILL CERTAINLY HELP.
>> I WONDER IF THE REFLECTIVITY CAN BE HELPED WITH A DARKER SHADE OF WALL OR?
>> IS OKAY WITH ME, BUT IT'S GOING TO LOOK ODD OVER THERE.
>> WHAT COLOR IT IS RIGHT NOW?
>> UNIFORMITY OF THE BUILDING WILL PROBABLY LOOK BETTER TO BE ONE COLOR.
>> ALSO THE LIGHTING WILL BE ADDRESSED AT PERMIT.
WHEN THEY COME IN FOR LIGHTING, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT AND THEY CAN'T LEAVE THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO SHINE DOWN.
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY PERIMETER LIGHTS OR ANYTHING SHINING OUT.
AGAIN, THE WALLS ARE PRETTY MUCH CONTAINING THE ARENA AWAY.
>> BASICALLY IS GOING TO BE INDOOR ARENA LIGHTING, IS WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT?
THE TWO NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ON THOSE SIDES, THEY'RE WALLED OFF FROM IT SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO HEAR IT SEE IT, SMELL IT, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THEN THE SIDE THAT'S OPEN IS TOWARDS OUR HOUSE.
BUT WE'LL BE WILLING TO WORK WITH ANYBODY TO HELP.
>> GARY, I ASSUME ALL THE SETBACK AND ALL THAT IS SATISFIED?
>> I'M SATISFIED WITH THE GUARANTEE OF ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES.
SYCAMORE LANE FOR COLLIN COUNTY.
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I RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THE FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED 30901 SYCAMORE LANE AND THE 3900 BLOCK OF SYCAMORE LANE FOR COLLIN AND AUBREY MARINO.WITH THE PROVISION THAT THEY WILL RESULT OR RESOLVE SOME ISSUES THAT MAY COME UP.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND THEY'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL.
WE WILL SEND THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE ATTACHMENT ISSUES OF BEING SURE THAT ANY KIND OF LIGHTING OR NUISANCE ISSUES WILL BE ADDRESSED.
[2. ZONING 1 – [MM SOUTH FORK 241, LLC - APPROXIMATELY 151.316 ACRES] ]
THIS IS ZONING 1 SOUTHFORK 241 LLC, APPROXIMATELY 151.36 ACRES.WE HAVE THE SAME DEAL GOING ON HERE.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE PEOPLE CAN MAKE THEIR COMMENTS PUBIC.
THEN WE HAVE CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATION FOR FORWARDING IT ON FOR APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO START A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE REQUEST FOR PERMANENT ZONING ON APPROXIMATELY 151.3 AND SIX ACRES OF LAND IN THE CITY OF PARKER, TEXAS GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE SHERWOOD HERRING SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 404, EAST OF NORTH MURPHY ROAD AND SOUTH OF PARKER ROAD, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR STANDARD ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS.
IN FACT, THE ONLY ONE THAT WE REALLY WANT RIGHT NOW.
WE WILL OPEN THIS UP, PUBLIC HEARING AT 17:30.
>> HI. MY NAME IS BILLY BARREN.
I'M ALSO A BOARD MEMBER OF THE BROOKS FARM HOA, WHICH BACKS UP TO WHERE THE ZONING CHANGE IS.
ON THAT MAP, THE AREA THAT'S LISTED EVENT AREA, IS THAT STAYING SPECIAL ACTIVITY DISTRICT ZONING? I HOPE YOU'LL ANSWER THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.
ALSO, I'LL MENTION THAT THEIR ZONING RIGHT NOW IS CONTROLLED BY ORDINANCE 413, AND THAT ORDINANCE HAS ALL KINDS OF ODD THINGS IN IT, LIKE ALOEVERA FACTORIES AND HOTELS AND SUCH.
I'M HOPING THAT AS A PROCESS OF THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE REPLACED.
NOW, IN GENERAL, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE REZONING.
I ACTUALLY WOULD PREFER RESIDENTIAL THERE TO THE WAY IT'S BEING USED NOW, WHICH CAUSES A LOT OF NUISANCE ISSUES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT THERE'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN BY MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBORS ARE IS GOING TO BE DRAINAGE.
IN THE PAST, HOA HAS PAID TO HAVE PART OF THAT PROPERTY DUG OUT SO THAT THE WATER FLOWED DOWN SOUTH OUT OF SOUTHFORK INSTEAD OF COMING INTO BROOKS FARM AND FLOODING HOUSES THERE.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS THAT WE'RE KEPT INVOLVED, AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE FINAL PRODUCT DRAINS SO IT'S NOT FLOODING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. THANK YOU.
>> YES, YOU'VE HIT ONE OF OUR NUMBER 1 ISSUES IN THIS ENTIRE CITY.
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>> EITHER IN PUBLIC, HERE AND WITHIN, WE CAN DISCUSS IT WITH YOU.
>> I WILL SAY THAT THAT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING AT WHENEVER WE REVIEW ONE OF THESE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] EVERYTHING ELSE MUST BE CIVILIZED.
>> I'M ASSUMING WE'LL HAVE A HYDROLOGIC STUDY AND EVERYTHING.
>> WHEN WE GET THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING.
>> YES. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS MEETING TODAY.
I FEEL LIKE I HAVEN'T DONE MY DUE DILIGENCE.
AS I'M SITTING HERE, I'M GATHERING MORE PIECES OF INFORMATION, SO PERHAPS I WOULD CHANGE WHAT'S ON MY COMMENT CARD.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE SOUTHFORT PROPERTY, BOTH ON THE WEST SIDE OF HOGUE AND ALSO ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THE EAST SIDE, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL ON THE EAST SIDE, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SPEAK TO THAT OTHER THAN REQUESTING THAT ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING WOULD BE LARGE LOTS INCONSISTENT WITH PARKER'S, EXISTING GUIDELINES, WHICH MUST BE LOCAL.
>> IT WOULD BE ZONE SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH IS TWO ACRES.
>>THEN ON THE WEST SIDE OF HOGUE, WHICH IS THE PART WHERE THE COWS THAT VICTOR RUNS ARE LOCATED, I WOULD REQUEST THAT THAT STAY AGRICULTURAL JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S EXISTING.
I LIVE ON GREGOR Y LANE, 5908, AS I MENTIONED ON MY CARD, AND THAT'S PART OF OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE DON'T HAVE AN HOA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THE COWS ARE PART OF WHY EVERYONE ENJOYS LIVING THERE.
I WOULD OPPOSE RESIDENTIAL ZONING ON THE WEST SIDE OF HOGUE, AND IF THE PLAN ZONING COMMITTEE DECIDES TO REZONED ANYWAYS.
I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE LOT SIZES BE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED ON THE WEST SIDE FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
ONE, BECAUSE OF THE ALREADY EXISTING AGRICULTURAL USE OF MANY OF THE HOUSES ON GREGOR Y.
IF YOU GO DOWN, GREGOR Y, MOST OF THOSE LOTS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN FIVE ACRES.
I BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD BE THE SAME IN THIS SECTION.
THEN ALSO BECAUSE THERE'S THE PARK RIGHT THERE, AND ALL OF OUR KIDS RIDE BIKES, THEY WALK, PEOPLE WALK THEIR DOGS.
I WOULD REQUEST THAT ACCESS TO ANY PROPOSED HOUSES BE RESTRICTED FROM GRAY. THANK YOU.
>> YOU DO LIVE ON GREGOR Y LANE?
>>I DO, SIR, BUT ON THE SIDE PAST THE BRIDGE.
I DON'T LIVE ON GREGOR Y AS IT GOES BETWEEN HOGUE AND THE CULVERT THAT WAS REDONE, AK THE BRIDGE.
>> ARE YOU BEFORE THE TWO TURNS?
>> JUST PAST THE LOW WATER CROSSING.
>> I WANT TO CLARIFY WHERE YOU ARE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MY MAIN CONCERN THERE, ASIDE FROM JUST THE DEVELOPMENT IS THE PARK.
BECAUSE EVERYONE GOES DOWN THERE, KIDS GO, THEY RIDE THEIR BIKES, PEOPLE WALK THEIR DOGS.
EVEN AS A RESIDENT, I OFTEN THE SPEED LIMITS 30 ON THAT ROAD, BUT NOBODY GOES 30 THERE BECAUSE YOU COME AROUND AND YOU DON'T WANT TO RUN OVER ANYBODY'S KIDS WHO ARE PLAYING THERE IN A RURAL AREA. THANK YOU.
>> HAVE A MINUTE, PLEASE. THERE'S A WHITE FOR PICK UP PARK OVER HERE PARKING SPOT, THE DRIVEWAY. THANK YOU.
>> HI, MY NAME IS ROXANNE BOGDEN, AND I LIVE AT 6701 OVERBROOK IN BROOKS FARM, AND I BACK UP TO THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE.
WE HAVE LIVED IN OUR HOME FOR NINE YEARS NOW AND HAVE DEALT WITH A LOT OF NUISANCES COMING FROM SOUTHFORK.
ONE OF THEM BEING HUGE OUTDOOR CONCERTS THAT HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF HAND AND GO DEEP INTO THE NIGHT AND ARE EXTREMELY LOUD.
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I FEEL IS A GOOD ADDITION
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BECAUSE I FEEL THAT THE NOISE LEVEL WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS, AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE NEIGHBORS VERSUS A CORPORATION WHO'S RUNNING AND MAKING MONEY OFF OF THAT.I AM IN FAVOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT ONE OF MY MAJOR CONCERNS, AGAIN, IS THE DRAINAGE ISSUE.
WE HAVE HAD SPENT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON OUR BACKYARD FOR DRAINAGE ISSUES WHEN WE FIRST MOVED IN BECAUSE WE HAVE A BIG FARM FIELD RIGHT BEHIND US, AND ALL OF THAT WATER.
I MEAN, I'M TALKING RAGING RIVER WATER WHEN WE HAVE DOWNPOURS COMES OFF THAT FIELD AND GOES RIGHT ALL OVER THAT PROPERTY.
ANY OF THOSE HOUSES ALONG THE BACK PART OF THAT THAT BACK UP TO BROOKS FARM ARE GOING TO HAVE A RIVER.
PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ADDRESSED DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, AND ALSO WHEN AFTER IT'S BUILT BECAUSE IT WILL AFFECT OUR WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'VE DEALT WITH THAT FOR A LONG TIME AND WE'VE FINALLY CORRECTED IT WITH MONEY FROM OUR FUNDS FROM OUR HOA AND AS WELL AS OUR OWN, AND THEY'VE THEY PUT UP A BERM AND CARVED OUT A TRENCH TO ROUTE THE WATER AWAY FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT NOW IT'S GOING ON TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
PLEASE HELP US OUT. THANK YOU.
>> ROXANNE, I CAN REALLY APPRECIATE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, LIVING RIGHT NEXT TO AN AREA THAT BECOMES A RAGING RIVER AS WELL.
IN FACT, WHERE I LIVE, YOU DON'T WANT ANY SMALL KIDS AROUND BECAUSE THEY WILL DISAPPEAR.
WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF WILDLIFE ALL THROUGH THERE.
WHERE THAT WATER GOES THROUGH, WE'VE FOUND COYOTE DENS AND BABIES, AND THEY'RE ALL RIGHT BACK IN THERE, AND THAT'S ALL GOING TO GET. DANGEROUS.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT WE ALL NEED TO BE AWARE OF IS THE CONTINUED SILT BUILD-UP OVER YEARS.
BECAUSE I KNOW IN MY AREA, WE HAVE PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE FEET OF SILK BUILDUP THAT'S OCCURRED.
>> ASIA WAY. THEY KEEP UP WITH THAT WITH OUR LANDSCAPER, AND WE ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO KEEP THAT TRENCH CLEAR TO ALLOW THAT WATER, BUT IT'S GOING RIGHT THROUGH THESE PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS.
IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM IF IT'S NOT ADDRESSED, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> DO YOU LIVE ON THE SOUTH PART OF BROOKS FARM OR.
>> I LIVE ON THE VERY BACK OF THE HORSESHOE.
THE HOUSE PART IS RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE.
SO I'M ACTUALLY NOT TOUCHING THE DEVELOPMENT ON THAT LAST CORNER HOUSE RIGHT WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO GO.
I'D BE HAPPY TO SHOW ANYONE IN MY BACKYARD OR TO GO BACK BEHIND THERE AND SEE WHAT WE'VE DONE TO TRY AND CONTROL THE WATER, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU KEEPING THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION. OKAY.
>> WHO OWNS THAT NORTHERN PART OF THAT PROPERTY THAT GOES UP THE PARKER ROAD?
>> THAT'S A DIFFERENT OWNER. I DON'T HAVE A NAME.
>> I BELIEVE OWNED BY A REAL ESTATE AGENT.
>> ARE THEY CAUSING ANY DRAINAGE ISSUE OFF THAT PROPERTY?
>> NO. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING IT.
>> HE WAS ANSWERING MY QUESTION.
>> CAN I SPEAK TO THIS SINCE I KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE? SO THE WATER COMES FROM THAT FARMLAND THERE NORTH OF SOUTHFORK.
I THINK SHE SHOWED YOU WHERE IT GOES.
>> IS IT WHERE THE ROW OF TREES ARE? WHICH IS NO. OKAY.
>> WHAT HAPPENS THE WATER COMES ON THE FARM? MY UNDERSTANDING IN TEXAS, SINCE THIS IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL, THEY HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY ABOUT DRAINAGE.
THEN THE HOA PAID TO DIG OUT A TRENCH ON THEIR LAND AND ON SOUTH FOREST LAND UNDER THE PREVIOUS OWNER.
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SO THERE IS A DITCH ALONG RIGHT HERE WHERE THE ON THIS SIDE OF THIS LINE.THEN WE HAVE A BERM ON OUR SIDE.
THEN ALL THAT GOOD FARMLAND DIRT GOES DOWN IN THAT DITCH?
>> WHICH IS WHERE ALL FARMLAND DIRT GOODS GOES.
>> WE RESURVEY IT PERIODICALLY TO SEE IF WE NEED TO DIG IT IN.
WE HAVEN'T NEEDED TO SINCE SOUTHFORK HAS THEIR CURRENT OWNERSHIP, SO THE CURRENT OWNERSHIP MAY NOT EVEN KNOW ABOUT ALL THAT.
>> HELLO, EVERYBODY. I DON'T USUALLY DO THIS.
HE'S NOT HERE. I HAVE TO TALK. NO BUTTON.
WE MOVED TO PARKER THREE YEARS AGO.
WE LIVE AT 6,003 GREGOR Y LANE, CORNER OF GRAY AND GREGOR Y.
MR. MACHADO KNOWS THE PROPERTY VERY WELL.
WHEN WE MOVED HERE, WE CAME TO UNIQUELY THAT'S PARKER.
THESE HOUSES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BUT UP TO OUR BACKYARD WILL ENCROACH IN EVERYTHING THAT WE CAME TO BELIEVE THAT PARKER WAS ABOUT.
WE LOVE THE COWS. WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE HAVE A TON OF WATER THAT FLOWS FROM THE PROPERTY THAT THESE HOUSES ARE SAID TO I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S THIS CALLED THE SOUTHFORK OF THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD THE 23 HOUSES OR I'M NOT SURE.
THOSE HOUSES WILL CAUSE WATER TO COME ONTO OUR LAND.
WE HAVE IT NOW WITHOUT ANY HOUSES THERE.
I SAW THE DOCUMENT WITH THE DRAWING OF THE PLOTS, AND THERE'S NO SHOW OF A RETENTION POND OR A DETENTION POND, AND IT'S STILL EARLY, BUT A LITTLE CONCERNED FOR OUR PROPERTY AND FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF WE HAVE A SAY, OUR FAMILY VOTES NO. THAT'S ABOUT IT.
>> THANK YOU. EVERYTHING EMILY SAID, I AGREE.
>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS ZACHARIA 708 GRAY LANE.
THIS DEVELOPMENT IS FOUR-ACRE LAND RIGHT ON SOUTH FOLK SIDE.
I DEVELOPMENT IS RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE.
I'M RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CITY PARK.
I LOOK AT THIS PLAN RIGHT NOW LOOK LIKE CHICKEN SCRATCHING OR HAND DRAWING SOME PLAN.
THERE IS NOTHING ENGINEERING DONE, NO POND.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO LAY OUT EVERYTHING, AND THEY'RE PUTTING TWO ENTRANCE BASICALLY OR E GRASS OR EXIT IN ON THE GRAY LANE.
RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PARK, ESPECIALLY. I OPPOSE THAT.
WE DON'T WANT ANY ENTRANCE COMING FROM THE GRAY, AND THOSE ALL THREE HOUSES OVER THERE IS MORE THAN 2.5 ACRE LAND EACH ONE.
WE LIKE TO HAVE IT. IF THEY'RE GOING TO GO OVER THERE, YOU GUYS GOING TO PASS THAT ZONING, AT LEAST MATCH THOSE CURRENT HOUSE SIZES.
ALL THE BACK SIDE OF GRAY GREVE, THOSE ARE THE FIVE-ACRE PLUS, BUT THE GRAY LANE, THEY AT LEAST HAVE A 2.5 ACRE PLUS, THEY HAVE IT.
I WOULD SAY IT'S 2.5 ACRE PLUS, AND THERE IS NO I THINK THERE IS NO OTHER PLAN TO HOW THEY CAN SCREEN BETWEEN THEIR NEIGHBOR TO OUR HOUSE WITH THE SHRUB, TREES, WHATEVER IT IS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE WATER RIGHT NOW, BUT I DON'T WANT IT.
I DON'T WANT TO START IT LIKE EVERYBODY SAY, THEY'RE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THE WATERS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
BUT I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF WATER COMING FROM THE BACK SIDE OF THE FIELD.
WE LIKE TO KEEP IT WHERE IT IS, BUT WHATEVER THE MAJORITY DECIDE WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT, BUT I WOULD CONSIDER MAKE SURE THE ZONING IS A 2.5-ACRE MINIMUM.
YOU GUYS CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE OF THE HOUSE HAS ALREADY BEEN WITH A 2.5 AND SCREEN WALL AND DETENTION POND.
MY ENGINEER LOOK DATED ALREADY,
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MYSELF, I'M A DEVELOPER ALSO.SO MY ENGINEER LOOKED ALREADY, CIVIL ENGINEER, THE MINIMUM THAT TWO POND IS REQUIRED ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
BUT ANYWAY, IF YOU HAVE ENGINEERS, THEY CAN GO LOOK AT IT EVERYTHING.
NO ENTRANCE OR EXIT FROM THE GRAY LANE.
>> NO. BUT I WOULD AGREE RIGHT NOW THAT IF WE COULD HAVE ANY WATER RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD PROBABLY ALL APPRECIATE THAT.
IF WE HAD A WATER PROBLEM RIGHT AT THIS MINUTE, WE'D BE OKAY.
>> GOOD EVENING, CINDY MYER, 6618 OF STATUS DRIVE.
ALTHOUGH THIS AREA DOESN'T AFFECT ME DIRECTLY.
I WAS INVOLVED WITH CITY COUNCIL, AND IN 2022, THE CODE OF ORDINANCES HATER 16 WAS REVISED TO A TWO-ACRE MINIMUM.
IT CLEARLY STATES THAT THAT ALL BE TWO ACRES AT LEAST.
IT'S REALLY NOT TO BE INTERPRETED AS A SUGGESTION, BUT RATHER AS A RULE.
I'M ASKING THIS COMMISSION TO UPHOLD OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES.
SECOND THING I HAVE IS LOOKING AT THE MAP BOTH AREAS EITHER SIDE OF HOGUE ROAD.
IT APPEARS THAT THE BACKS OF THE HOUSES ARE BACKING UP TO THE MAIN ARTERIES.
I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT THAT CORRECTLY.
IS THERE A BERM BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE BACKYARDS AND THE MAJOR ARTERIES? BECAUSE IN PARKER, WE DON'T HAVE HOUSES THAT FACE AWAY FROM THE ROADS, TYPICALLY.
THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN, AND IF THERE'S A BERM, WHO OWNS IT, AND THAT WOULD AFFECT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE ALSO.
DRAINAGE OBVIOUSLY IS A PROBLEM, A PROBLEM ALL OVER PARKER AND WE DON'T NEED MORE DRAINAGE ISSUES.
THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, AND I HOPE THAT THIS BODY UPHOLDS OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES. THANKS.
>> SO YEAH, I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THE FACT THAT WE DO PLAN ON UPHOLDING OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES.
OKAY, JOE LEE, I'M AGAINST THIS ZONING REQUEST WITH HOLD ON.
WELL, WE'LL CREATE TOO MUCH TRAFFIC ON GRAY AND GREGOR Y LANE.
CANNOT HANDLE THIS EXTRA TRAFFIC.
ROADS CANNOT HANDLE THIS EXTRA TRAFFIC. OKAY.
>> RUSSELL, A QUESTION FOR YOU.
WE'RE GETTING COMMENTS ON ZONE 2 VERSUS ZONE 1.
>> YEAH, WE ARE. YES. UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ZONING ISSUES ON HERE, AND WE'RE GETTING KIND OF A MIXTURE OF ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE WILL SORT THEM OUT IN THE END HERE.
BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CARDS.
BUT I THINK WHEN PEOPLE START TALKING ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, WHEN THEY'RE LOCATED ON GREGOR Y LANE, WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE ON AND WE'LL PROBABLY SHORTEN THE ITEM 3 HERE BECAUSE WE SEEM TO BE COVERING PRETTY MUCH ALL OF IT HERE.
>> NANCY SHARAR, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> COME ON UP AND SPEAK. [LAUGHTER] COME ON.
>> I LIVE AT 3611 GREGOR Y OR ON HOGUE, BUT GREGOR Y IS MY SIDE ROAD.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE 54 ACRES, WHICH IS ALSO UNDER DEVELOPMENT HERE.
EVERYTHING ON GREGOR Y, IT APPEARS FROM THIS LITTLE SUBDIVISION MAP.
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN OUTLET A ROAD ONTO GREGOR Y.
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EVERYTHING APPEARS TO EITHER ROADWAY TO HOPE ROAD OR TO GRAY LANE.BUT IF I JUST LOOK AT THE CONCEPT THAT I SEE RIGHT HERE, I SEE A NEW ROAD THAT COMES IN OFF OF MURPHY OVER TO GARY. IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE.
>> GRAY LANE IT'S ACTUALLY SAYS GARY ON HERE.
>> PARDON ME. I WAS READING IT.
BUT ANYWAY, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE'S, A NEW ROAD THERE IN THE SUBDIVISION, AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE THREE CONCEPT LOTS THAT ARE THERE WOULD BE FACING THAT ROAD.
THEN I GUESS I'M ASSUMING THAT THE ONES ON THE OTHER SIDE WOULD BE FACING THE OTHER DIRECTION.
>> WELL, IS THE DEVELOPER GOING TO COME IN AND TALK TO?
>> WELL, YEAH, BUT THIS IS A CONCEPT.
THIS IS NOT PLATTED OUT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS LIKE, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING.
NOW, LET'S START GETTING A LOT OF INPUT TO SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
GET A LOT OF INPUT AND COMMENTS SO THAT WHEN THEY START SPENDING THE REAL MONEY ON IT, THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING THE RIGHT THINGS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING.
>> I THINK WHAT REALLY AFFECTS MY RESIDENCE WOULD BE THE 54 ACRES.
IT'S WHETHER OUTLETS ARE COMING ONTO GREGOR Y LANE, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A BERM.
AS THE PLATE OR THE FULL SUBDIVISION DRAWING IS, YOU DON'T SEE ANY ROADS IF ALL OF THESE ARE TWO ACRE LOTS, SUPPOSEDLY? IT'S LIKE THERE'S GOT TO BE MORE ACCESS FOR THOSE LOTS THAT ARE SITTING THERE ON GREGOR Y OR BACK UP TO GREGOR Y. DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
>> THE BACK UP FRONT UP TO GREGOR Y.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT.
THOSE CONCEPT LOTS YOU SEE, THE THREE AND THE FOUR, THEY'D BE BACK TO BACK.
>> THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AN ACCESS, FROM THIS CONCEPT, ON TO GREGOR Y.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I'M FOR IT OR AGAINST IT.
IT'S JUST THAT IT WOULD AFFECT SEVERAL OF US THAT RESIDE RIGHT OFF OF GREGOR Y, AND WHETHER THAT'S A POSITIVE EFFECT OR A NEGATIVE, IT WOULD NEED TO SEE WHAT THE FINAL IS.
>> I'M HOPING THAT WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS WE HAVE, DEVELOPERS THAT LISTEN TO THESE COMMENTS ARE PAYING ATTENTION SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY, THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY REALLY WANT TO DO WHEN THEY COME HERE AND START SPENDING A LOT OF REAL MONEY BEFORE THEY START MOVING DIRT AND GETTING APPROVALS AND ALL THAT.
>> DO YOU LIVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF GREGOR Y LANE?
>> AGAIN, MY NAME IS JOSE VICTOR MULLER.
I LIVE AT 6,100 GREGOR Y LANE.
I MOVED TO PARKER TO BE IN THE COUNTRY.
DIDN'T LIKE IT. I WAS TOO CONGESTED.
I LIKE MY COUNTRY LIVING HERE.
I'M OPPOSED TO ANYTHING HAPPENING ON THE 54 ACRES.
THE OTHER SIDE OF SOUTHFORK, I'M NOT AGREEING WITH THAT, EITHER.
THAT PROPERTY IS WHAT WE CAME FOR.
WE'RE NOT INTO TRYING TO CHANGE THAT.
WE WISH TO KEEP IT LIKE IT IS, WISH TO KEEP GROWING OUR CROPS, DOING OUR ANIMALS, HAVING ACCESS TO OUR OWN STREETS WITHOUT HAVING ME CONGESTED AND ANY OTHER NATURES.
OUR ROADS CANNOT TAKE ANY MORE TRAFFIC AS THEY ARE ANYWAY.
YOU CAN'T CROSS THE BRIDGE WHEN THE RAIN COMES ON GREGOR Y. THAT'S A BIG ISSUE.
YOU SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN TRYING TO FIX THOSE THINGS VERSUS TRYING TO CONGEST US AND MAKE US JUST PILE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
PLEASE, I REJECT THIS, AND I WISH TO KEEP IT LIKE IT IS. THANK YOU.
>> DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT HERE?
>> HELLO, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS MARCOS ARIAS.
I LIVE ON 30605 HOP DRIVE RIGHT ACROSS FROM
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SOUTHFORK AND ALSO NEIGHBORS TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE INCLUDING VICTOR MILLER HERE.BUT I OPPOSE IT ALL IN GENERAL MAINLY BECAUSE FOR THREE REASONS.
THE WATER ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO IF SOMEONE IS JUST SUPPORTING THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP THEM EITHER.
I THINK IT'S BETTER OFF TO KEEP IT AS IT IS.
IT SHOULD BE TREATED AS A HISTORICAL LANDMARK IN TEXAS, JUST LIKE THE ALAMO AND THE STATE FAIR, DISNEYLAND, LIKE IN FLORIDA, SHOULD BE TREATED WITH RESPECT JUST UNTOUCHED.
IF THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH WATER ISSUES WHEN SOMEONE IS CONSTRUCTING, IT SHOULD BE LEFT RESTRICTED.
AS IN IT SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED AS A CERTAIN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, IT'S RESTRICTED FOR NO CONSTRUCTION TO PREVENT ANY OTHER WATER ISSUES THAT MIGHT ENDANGER PEOPLE, YOUNGER CHILDREN.
WOULD BE IT'S ALSO NICE TO HAVE EVEN MORE PEOPLE COMING HERE BECAUSE OF SOUTHFORK AND LEAVING IT UNTOUCHED, CONSTRUCTED.
WE STILL HAVE A WATER TREATMENT ISSUE.
WE WERE THE HUFF FINDS PROJECT, AND THAT'S STILL ANOTHER CONCERN.
I'M SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH ETJ LAND AND D ANNEXED ACRES IN THE CITY THAT WE COULD USE TO PLOT THOSE AREAS, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN STILL ENJOY LIVING IN PARKER, BUT ALSO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE WATER SITUATION THAT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE MENTIONED.
BUT ALSO TO KEEP IT AS ALSO A HISTORICAL CENTER FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS. I CONCLUDE.
OUR FAMILY MOVED DOWN HERE FROM THE NORTH.
WE GOT HERE AS QUICK AS WE COULD.
YEARS AGO, I SENT MY WIFE OUT ON A HOUSE HUNTING MISSION WHILE I WORKED.
SHE DID A GOOD JOB FINDING OUR HOME AT 6010 GREGOR Y LANE.
THAT'S RIGHT SOUTH OF THE 50 ACRES THAT YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH FROM WHAT I'M GATHERING, YOU SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE TWO ACRE LOTS.
OBVIOUSLY, THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO WANT TO PUT AS MANY HOUSES AS HE COULD IN THERE, BUT HE STILL NEEDS ROOM FOR STREETS.
HE'S PROBABLY GOING TO NEED SOME RECREATION AREA IN THERE, AND YOU GOT TO ACCOMMODATE THE DRAINAGE AND NOISE ISSUES.
MY MAIN CONCERN IS WITH GREGOR Y LANE.
IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE APPROXIMATELY 20 HOUSES IN THERE AT TWO ACRES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WIDEN AND REDO GREGOR Y LANE AND GRAY LANE.
IS THAT BEING TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IF THIS PROJECT DOES GO THROUGH? PERSONALLY, I'M A NEIGHBOR OF VICTOR MULLER HERE, RIGHT NEXT DOOR, AND WE REALLY ENJOY SEEING THESE COWS OUT THERE IN THAT LAND [APPLAUSE] IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE MOVED HERE, THE COUNTRY LIVING.
ME AND THE WIFE ARE RETIRED, AND IT'S JUST A FANTASTIC PLACE TO LIVE.
I WANT TO TRY AND KEEP THAT AS BEST AS CAN BE.
IF YOU ALL DECIDE THAT NO, WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO DEVELOP THAT AGRICULTURAL LAND, THAT'S FINE BY ME.
BUT IF YOU MUST DO IT AND THE LAW ALLOWS YOU TO DO THAT, PLEASE MAKE THE LOT SIZES AT LEAST THE MINIMUM THAT'S BY LAW RIGHT NOW.
DO NOT CHANGE OR PUT ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS INTO THAT.
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THAT'S REALLY ALL I GOT TO SAY.>> I'M MATTHEW WARE, 30706 GRAY LANE BETWEEN CANDY AND SONNY OVER HERE.
IT WOULD BACK UP DIRECTLY ONTO MY PROPERTY.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE WATER ISSUES AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, WHERE BASICALLY WE GET WHEN A FLOOD COMES THROUGH OFF OF THE LAND THAT'S THERE NOW.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED.
AND I'D LIKE TO REITERATE WHAT THEY'VE SAID ABOUT THE STREET.
IT HASN'T BEEN REPAVED IN OVER 10 YEARS, AND ISSUES IT HAS ISSUES AS IT IS RIGHT NOW ON BOTH GREGOR Y AND GRAY LANE.
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED AND KEEP THE SIZE LOTS AT LEAST TWO ACRES.
>> THANKS. THANK YOU. LARA HERNANDEZ.
>> MY CONCERNS ARE ALSO WITH THE PROPERTY, THE 54 ACRE PROPERTY.
I LIVE AT 5906 GREGOR Y LAND, AND MY KIDS ARE OFTEN ON THOSE ROADS ON GRAY AND GREGOR Y, RIDING THEIR BIKES AND GOING DOWN TO THE PARK AND WALK OUR DOGS AND ALL THOSE THINGS ON THAT ROAD.
MORE CONGESTION, MORE TRAFFIC, AS IT IS, PEOPLE CUT THROUGH GRAY TO AVOID THAT PARKER STOP LIGHT ON PARKER AND HOGUE.
THERE'S ALREADY PEOPLE SPEEDING THROUGH I FEEL LIKE WE NEED LESS TRAFFIC AS IS AND SO MORE TRAFFIC MAKES ME PANIC A LITTLE.
I ALSO JUST AGREE WITH EVERYONE THAT WE ALL MOVED HERE FOR THE COUNTRY.
THAT'S WHY WE ALL LOVE PARKER, THE UNIQUELY COUNTRY.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SOLD AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL HERE.
I FEEL LIKE LITTLE BY LITTLE, DEVELOPERS ARE TAKING THAT AWAY AND BUILDING NEIGHBORHOODS INSTEAD OF OUR FARM LAND.
I KNOW IT SOUNDS SILLY, BUT THOSE COWS ARE OUR NEIGHBORS AND CANDY TAKES PICTURES OF THEM AND NAMES THEM AND WE'VE BOTTLE FED THEM AND WE LOVE THEM AND TO THINK ABOUT THEM GOING AWAY AND THERE BEING HOUSES THERE IT'S REALLY HEARTBREAKING, AND WE'LL FEEL LIKE IT WILL CHANGE THE WHOLE VIBE OF PARKER, JUST BUILDING UP NEIGHBORHOODS ALL AROUND SELF WORK.
I'M OPPOSED TO DEVELOPING THAT LAND. NO QUESTIONS.
>> HI HOW BIG OF A LOT ARE YOU ON?
>> WELL, IT'S TWO LOTS PUT TOGETHER.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE 2.5 BETWEEN TWO AND 2.5.
>> ARE YOU ON LIKE AROUND FIVE ACRES? IS THAT OR 22.5 OR JUST A TOTAL OF 2.5? NO. TOTAL 2.5. I'M BACK, LIKE IN THE I BUT UP TO HUFFINES, WHICH IS ALSO WHY I FEEL LIKE ALL THE COUNTRY IS GOING AWAY FROM ME VERY QUICKLY, AND WE NEED TO AT SOME POINT, SAY UNCLE.
>> RIGHT NEXT TO THE JACKSONS. YES, SIR.
>> ARE ALL OF THE LOTS ON GREGOR Y FIVE OR WHAT IS THE ACREAGE ON OF THOSE LOTS? TWO?
>> ON THE FRONT AND 15 OR SO ON THE BACK 2.5.
>> GREGOR Y AT THE FAR END ON THE DEAD END.
MOST OF THOSE LOTS BACK THERE ARE 5-15, I WOULD SAY.
THEN THE ONES THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE SOUTHFORK DEVELOPMENT ARE MOSTLY BETWEEN 2-2.5.
THERE'S A DISPARITY BETWEEN THE ONES THAT ARE AT THE END OF GREGOR Y, MUCH LARGER AND THE ONES THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE PROPOSED SOUTHFORK, WHICH ARE AROUND I WOULD SAY 2-3, FOR THE MOST PART.
>> GARY, DO YOU KNOW OF HAND? ARE THOSE ZONED AG OR SF?
>> NO, LIKE THE GREGOR Y LANE AREA THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING, WHAT?
>> I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT OUR ZONING MAP. PUT IT OFF.
>> I'VE GOT A MATHEW. DO YOU WANT TO SEE THIS?
>> OF THE TWOS ARE NOT EVERYTHING ON THE BACK SIDE OF GREAT GREGOR Y.
I COULDN'T MAINTAIN ALL THOSE FOR [INAUDIBLE].
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THERE'S SOME AG OPEN AND THEN SEE FAMILY.>> THIS IS GREGOR Y RIGHT HERE. THAT'S GREAT.
IF YOU PUT IT UP TO HERE, IT'S LIKE THIS.
THEN WE HAVE A LOT OF AO RIGHT IN HERE.
>> THIS IS CHANGING THE AO HERE TO AND SO THIS STUFF BACK HERE GRAY IS STILL AO.
>> WHERE'S THE PARK THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT? IT'S HERE SOMEWHERE.
>> THE PARK IS INSIDE THE ARCH.
>> I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW.
LOTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY FACING GRAY GREVE, ARE THOSE LOTS WIDE FOR THE APPROPRIATE SET? REALLY NARROW LOTS.
>> I JUST COME DOWN [INAUDIBLE] .
>> SO IF THERE ARE NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 18:10.
>> WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO CLEAR UP.
>> WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT A 10 MINUTE RECESS SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN TAKE A QUICK BREAK, AND WE WILL BE BACK HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS THING BACK GOING HERE, GUYS.
WE HAVE HAD OUR 10 MINUTES OF FUN, SO NOW IT'S TIME TO GET BACK TO WORK.
WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE MEETING UP HERE AT 18:20 AFTER A 10 MINUTE RECESS.
WE JUST CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND WHAT WE HAVE IS TWO ZONING ISSUES THAT PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT.
I MEAN, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE ZONING ISSUES ON THE AGENDA, BUT THEY'RE ALL BEING HANDLED BY THE SAME DEVELOPER.
WHAT WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE KIND OF DISCUSSION UP HERE, CONSIDERATION ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN SAID, THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS WE'D LIKE TO START WITH HAVING THE DEVELOPER COME UP HERE, START ADDRESSING SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS AND ISSUES AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMEONE THAT HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AND IS NOT TRYING TO BE A HUFFINES, FOR EXAMPLE.
CAN WE SAY HUFFINES US? NO. I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW HUFFINES. ANYWAY, I GOT TO WATCH MYSELF.
ANYWAY, SO HERE WE GO. THANKS.
>> APPRECIATE ALL'S TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT CENTERED AMERICAN, 1,800 VALLEY VIEW LANE, FARMERS BRANCH, TEXAS.
WE BOUGHT SOUTHFORK A COUPLE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO NOW, I GUESS, AND WE'RE NOT USUALLY A TYPE OF PERSON THAT REALLY SETS ON LAND.
WE TRY TO GET IN, GET THE PROCESS STARTED.
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KIND OF HISTORY OF OUR COMPANY IS A LITTLE OVER 30-YEARS-OLD.WE BOUGHT THE STATLER HOTEL BACK WHEN IT WAS SHUT DOWN, RENOVATED THAT, BROUGHT IT BACK TO LIFE.
COLLIN CREEK MALL IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE PREVALENT ONES YOU'VE SEEN AROUND HERE LATELY.
WE BOUGHT THAT FOUR YEARS AGO.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT HOLE UNDERNEATH IS BUILT ON MAJOR DRAINAGE.
YOU CAN DO FOUR SEMIS UNDERNEATH THERE.
IF YOU DRIVE BY TODAY, IT'S LIKE, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WORK GOING ON? YOU SEE ALL THESE HIGH RISES.
WELL, IN THAT TIME, HAD IT WAS A CITY PROJECT.
THEY HAD TO REDO BECAUSE THE STRUCTURES WERE FAILING UNDERNEATH IT.
BEFORE WE COULD BUILD SOMETHING ON TOP OF IT, THEY HAD TO GET THAT DONE.
THEY PICKED A CONTRACTOR THAT COULDN'T FULFILL THE JOB, SO IT SLOWED US DOWN BY A YEAR AND A HALF.
BUT IF YOU GO TO THE BACK SIDE OF IT, YOU'LL SEE THAT OUR SINGLE FAMILY PRODUCTS, OUR TOWN HOMES, OUR THINGS ARE ALREADY GOING UP.
WE HAVE OUR FIRST RESIDENT THERE IN PROBABLY 30 DAYS.
WE HAVE 2000 PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE DONE THAT ARE BUILT UNDERGROUND.
THAT WAS A PROJECT DEALING WITH PLANO, WHICH WAS GREAT TO DEAL WITH.
WE KNOW HOW PASSIONATE SOUTHFORK IS.
I MEAN, REALITY IS, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF MONEY TO BUY SOUTHFORK.
WE CAME IN, OBVIOUSLY, WE WANTED TO DO ONE ACRE LOTS AT FIRST TO BE TOTALLY TRANSPARENT.
WE WANTED TO TRY TO DO ONE ACRE LOTS.
GARY, KEPT PUSHING BACK, PUSHING BACK.
WE UNDERSTOOD THE WATER MORATORIUM.
WE MADE SURE THAT WE TOOK A STEP BACK TO REALLY WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH TWO ACRES IS WHAT WE CAN GET BY WITH TO MAKE THIS WORK.
THE QUESTION ON THE CENTER PART OF THAT, WHICH IS 40 SOMETHING ACRES, THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, SO TO SPEAK, THAT WILL BE WE WANT TO KEEP THAT FOREVER.
WE HAD THE OPTION TODAY, WE COULD TEAR IT ALL DOWN.
WE WOULD BE POLITICAL SUICIDE, THE EMAILS, THE FACEBOOK, THE COMMENTS THAT WE GET FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, WHENEVER PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT THIS THE ONE IN FRISCO THAT THEY DID, I'M SIX GENERATION COLLIN COUNTY.
MY DAD MY GRANDDAD WAS SUPERINTENDENT ALLEN FOR 30 YEARS.
I GREW UP COLLIN CREEK MALL. I GREW UP FRISCO.
I REMEMBER THE SOUTHFORK WHEN IT WAS IN FRISCO AS WELL.
THAT'S BEEN BURNT DOWN FOR A LONG TIME.
BUT NOW THE FIELDS GROUP THAT BOUGHT IT, PEOPLE ARE SAYING, OH, THEY'RE TELLING TERN SOUTHFORK DOW.
WE GOT SOME PRETTY NASTY EMAILS THAT CAME TO US, NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE REAL TRUTH WAS, BECAUSE SOCIAL MEDIA, AS WE KNOW TODAY, PEOPLE BELIEVE A LOT OF THAT.
WE ARE MEETING ALL YOUR ORDINANCES.
BIG DEAL TONIGHT IS TONIGHT IS ABOUT ZONING.
IT GIVES US A RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD TWO ACRE LOTS.
I HAVE MY ENGINEER HERE TONIGHT THAT'S MATT BACK THERE.
TRAVIS, OR OTHER GUYS, A PROJECT MANAGER ASSET MANAGER THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THIS.
FIRST STEP IS WE GET THE ZONING DONE.
WE PLATED TO LOOK LIKE HOW MANY LOTS CAN WE GET ON THERE BY WHAT WE THINK THE DRAINAGE STUDIES WILL COME BACK TO BEING.
ONCE WE GET ZONING DONE, THEN YOU MOVE INTO THE ENGINEERING PHASE.
THAT'S WHEN YOU GET THE DETAILS UP.
HOW DOES INGRESS AND EGRESS WORK WITH THIS LAYOUT? WE MIGHT HAVE TO LOSE A LOT OR TWO.
I THINK THERE'S 21 LOTS ON THE WEST SIDE, THERE'S 68 ON THE EAST SIDE.
ONE THING WE'RE GOING TO DO IS REALLY AMP UP, FIXING UP SOUTHFORK.
IT NEEDS SOME PAIN. IT NEEDS SOME LOVE TO IT.
WE'VE GOING THROUGH RENDERINGS RIGHT NOW THAT WILL MAKE THAT FRONT ENTRANCE WITH SOME WATER FEATURES.
WE'RE GOING TO BRING OUR LONGHORN CATTLE MORE UP CLOSER TO THE FRONT, PUT FENCES UP THERE ON THE ENTERTAINMENT PART OF IT.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF OUTDOOR CONCERTS, IF YOU KNOW.
WE'VE HAD SOME OUT THERE SINCE WE'VE OWNED IT, BUT WE'VE HEARD THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
GARY, WE WORK AT YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOUR STAFF VERY WELL.
WE'VE NOW MADE THE DECISION BACK A MONTH OR SO AGO THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE CONCERTS GO PAST MIDNIGHT OUT THERE TODAY.
MOST TIME WE TRY TO GET THEM OUT BY 11.
WE REALLY WANT THAT PLACE TO BECOME THE TOURISTS THAT COME IN THERE, THE TOURS THAT WE HAVE IS AMAZING.
WE'VE GOT THE CATTLE BARONS BALL LATER IN SEPTEMBER THAT CARRIE UNDERWOOD WILL BE THERE THIS YEAR.
WE HAVE THE LINCOLN DAY DINNERS, ALL THE POLITICAL STUFF.
WE SEE THAT VENUE TURNING INTO MORE OF A WEDDING VENUE, THE ICONIC HOUSE THAT WE WANT TO FIX UP.
WE'RE IN TALKS WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO A REBOOT OF DALLAS.
THEY WANT TO BRING SOME CAST MEMBERS BACK, MAYBE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS IN THAT HOUSE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
BUT IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED UP A LITTLE BIT, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF DOING THAT.
WHEN WE COME IN, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW TONIGHT IS JUST ABOUT THE ZONING, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE TWO ACRES.
WE MEET THE 200 FOOT REQUIREMENT.
WE EVEN CAME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WE TRIED TO COME IN IT.
WE CAN GET TWO ACRES, BUT WE NEED 20 OF THESE LOTS TO BE LESS THAN 200 AT 155.
GARY SAID, NO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
STAFF SAID, NO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. WE SAID, OKAY.
WE LOST FOUR MORE LOTS AND WE GOT DOWN TO 89, WHICH WE FELT LIKE WAS OUR BARE MINIMUM WE COULD DO TO MAKE THIS DEVELOPMENT WORK TO BE ABLE TO KEEP AND PUT SOME OF OUR PROFITS BACK INTO SOUTHFORK, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY MAKING MONEY TODAY.
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WE'RE GETTING NEW STAFF OUT THERE, WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY REVITALIZE IT.THOSE LOT PRICES ARE GOING TO $4-450,000 FOR THE LOT.
IT'S GOING TO BE CUSTOM BUILDERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUT THERE? WE SEE THE HOUSE PRICE GOING TWO MILLION PLUS, DEPENDING ON HOW CUSTOM THEY WANT TO GET AND ALL THAT.
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A HYDROLOGY STUDY.
OUR ENGINEERS HAVE TO DO IT, BUT THEN WE TURN IT OVER AND THE CITY STAFF AND THEIR ENGINEERS THEY HIRE WILL GO THROUGH IT, TOO.
IT'S JUST NOT THEM TAKING OUR WORD.
IF A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS REQUIRED, THEY'LL LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE DOES THIS ROAD NEED TO BE WIDE OR DOES IT NEED A LEFT TURN LANE OR RIGHT TURN LANE.
ALL THAT STUFF COMES THROUGH THE ENGINEERING PHASE.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME GENTLEMEN I THINK THEY LEFT TONIGHT THAT WAS IN BROOKS FARMS. WE'RE GOING TO REACH OUT TO THEIR HOA AND HAVE A CONVERSATION. HOW CAN WE HELP? WE CAN'T PUT MORE WATER.
WE HAVE TO RETAIN OUR WATER AND MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T IMPACT ANYBODY ELSE.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE TWO PONDS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT TODAY IN THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT PART OF IT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY ON THE WEST SIDE.
IT MAY BE REQUIRED, AND WE HAVE TO DO THAT, AND WE'LL LOSE SOME LOTS FOR THAT.
THAT WILL ALL COME OUT WITH THE ENGINEERING PART OF IT.
ON THE EAST SIDE, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND TALK TO THE HOA, WOULD YOU LIKE CONNECTIVITY TO MAKE YOUR WALKING TRAILS THAT WOULD CONNECT TO OURS INSIDE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT? WE WANT TO NAME THOSE STREETS IN THERE AFTER ACTORS AND REALLY MAKE IT AS YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALL THAT STUFF WILL COME THROUGH THE ENGINEERING AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PHASE AS WE GET TO IT TO REALLY DESIGN IT, WHAT PARKER WANTS, WHAT STAFF WANTS? I CAN TELL YOU THAT COLLIN CREEK MALL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PASSIONATE PROJECT.
THEY STARTED THE MALL RARTS, IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THAT ON FACEBOOK.
WE DECIDED, LET'S HAVE A CLOSING CEREMONY TO LET EVERYBODY COME AND HONOR THE MALL CLOSING.
WE WERE READY FOR IT. WE BROUGHT THE BACK TO THE FUTURE CAR BACK.
WE HAD COTTON CANDY AND DOING THINGS LIKE IT WAS IN THE 70S AND 80S.
WE HAD A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO SAID, CAN WE WALK OUT WITH YOU BE THE LAST PERSON LOCK THE DOOR? WE DID THAT.
NOW THAT FACEBOOK KEEPS GOING TODAY, SO WE'RE EXCITED WHEN WE GET TO OPEN IT BACK UP THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUY THOSE SAME PEOPLE OUT.
WE DO TRY TO RESPECT THE HERITAGE AND RESPECT THE THINGS THAT MAKE PARKER, MAKE PLANO UNIQUE.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE LIVE IN THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IN AMERICA.
YOUR COUNCIL HAS A HARD JOB BECAUSE GROWTH IN EDIBLE.
BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE CAME WITH A GOOD PLAN THAT WILL BRING 89 TOTAL LOTS.
THAT'S THE MAX WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD UNDER THIS APPLICATION THAT WE'VE DONE.
THE REASON WE SEPARATED IT OUT FOR TWO DIFFERENT ONES BECAUSE WE WANT TO FULL TRANSPARENCY.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO SAY, HEY, THIS SIDE THE EAST SIDE HAS ENTERTAINMENT ZONING, THE WEST SIDE HAS AGRICULTURAL ZONING.
WE WANTED TO SPLIT IT OUT SO IT'D BE CONFUSING AND TRY TO BURY ANYTHING TO MAKE IT ALL ONE PROJECT.
IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS, AND I THINK THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE FIRST, ALARA STORE OR WHATEVER, IF YOU REALLY DOVE INTO WHAT WE COULD DO ON THAT PROPERTY TODAY, WE COULD DO A LOT OF STUFF THAT PARKER PROBABLY WOULDN'T LIKE.
THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ELIMINATE ALL THAT.
THOSE OUTDOOR CONCERTS WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD GO AWAY.
WE WOULD BE FOCUSED MORE ON THE EVENT CENTER.
TWO MONTHS AGO, WE HEARD THAT INSIDE OF OUR EVENT CENTER WAS NOISY.
WE LOOKED INTO IT. IT NEEDS MORE BAFFLING, NEEDS MORE SOUND PROOFING.
WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE STAGE TO WHERE INSTEAD OF FACING OUT TO THE NORTH, SO TO SPEAK, ALL THAT SOUND GOES THROUGH THE WINDOWS AND GOES OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'RE GOING TO RECONFIGURE THAT IN THERE, SPRAY FOAM INSULATION, DO THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE WE ARE SENSITIVE TO PEOPLE DO LIVE AROUND THERE NOW THAT FACILITIES BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
IF YOU REMEMBER, I REMEMBER AS A KID GOING TO SOME OF THAT RADIO STATION AND HAD THOSE BIG CONCERTS OUT THERE AND STUFF.
WE INVESTED MONEY IN BUILDING A RODEO ARENA OUT THERE.
WE HAD THE FIRST PRCA RODEO IN COLLIN COUNTY WAS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ON SOUTHFORK RANCH.
WE THINK THAT'S THE STUFF YOU WANT TO SEE IN PARKER CONTINUING THAT TRADITION.
WE UNDERSTAND PEOPLE SAY, I LOVE LOOKING AT THE COWS NEXT DOOR AND ALL THAT.
BUT FORTUNATELY, WE OWN THE LAND.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THAT FILL WITH MOVING LONGHORNS, DOING COOL THINGS.
WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH A GROUP RIGHT NOW TO HAVE BEEF JERKY AND HAVE SOME CATTLE OUT THERE THAT'S NAMED AFTER JR AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE.
BECAUSE IT'S AMAZING, I DON'T KNOW IF AND I'M SURE YOU'LL REALIZE BECAUSE YOU LIVE HERE, HOW MANY PEOPLE COME THROUGH THOSE DOORS A WEEK FOR TOURS? IT'S UNBELIEVABLE, AND IT'S REALLY COOL.
I KNOW YOU DON'T EVER WANT TO SEE GROWTH.
EVERYBODY WANTS GROWTH TO STAY AWAY.
WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS SENSITIVE TO THAT AS WE CAN.
TONIGHT, WE SAT BACK THERE, WE TOOK NOTES, WE LISTEN.
BUT I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE THAT DON'T DO THIS EVERY DAY DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS SOMETIMES THAT TONIGHT'S ABOUT ZONING.
WE MEET YOUR ZONING REGULATION OF TWO ACRES, 200 FEET.
THEN WE DIVE MORE INTO THE DETAILS.
HOW IS THAT BERM LOOK? HOW CAN WE SOUND PROOF FROM THESE HOUSES? HOW CAN WE DO THESE THINGS? THOSE THINGS WE'LL BE GETTING TO OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
AGAIN, WE UNDERSTAND YOUR MORATORIUM STILL IN PLACE.
WE GO THROUGH ZONING SOON AS THAT'S DONE, THEN WE CAN MOVE INTO OUR DESIGN.
WE'LL DESIGN IT, BUT BRINGING IT BACK TO P&Z, TO COUNCIL, WHATEVER YOUR PROCESS IS TO GET TO
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THAT NEXT LEVEL THROUGH OUR ENGINEERING AND DESIGN PHASE OF THAT.I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER FOR ANYBODY HERE.
>> THE FIRST THING YOU GUYS DID WAS GET RID OF ALL THE EMPLOYEES.
>> NO, WE DID NOT. THAT IS A FALSE STATEMENT.
>> SECOND AND THIRD GENERATION PEOPLE THAT HAVE WORKED THERE WITH THEIR FATHERS FROM THE 50S.
>> YOU GUYS GOT RID OF THEM ALL.
>> WE DID NOT GET RID OF THEM.
THE ONE INDIVIDUAL LEFT ON HIS OWN BECAUSE HE WANTED TO LEAVE.
WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN RID OF ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT WANTED TO BE THERE.
>> BECAUSE THE OTHER GUY LEFT.
>> I'M NOT SAYING IT'S SPEECH.
I'VE TOLD YOU WE'VE HAD DIFFICULTIES OUT THERE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU FOR YOU TO SIT THERE AND THAT'S A PROBLEM WITH MISINFORMATION.
I'VE HAD SAM, MY GUY REACH OUT TO HIM TO TRY TO GET HIM BACK.
HE DID NOT WANT TO COME BACK BECAUSE HE WANTED TO DO HIS OWN THING.
IF YOU JUST SIT THERE AND TELL HIM WE FIRED HIM IS A TOTAL WRONG STATEMENT.
>> FIRST, IT'S NOT ONE PERSON.
>> WE HAVE NOT FIRED ONE PERSON OUT THERE SINCE WE'VE TAKEN OVER OUT THERE.
PEOPLE CHOSE TO LEAVE BECAUSE NOW WE'RE BRINGING IN ACCOUNTABILITY.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO THINGS AND DO THINGS RIGHT OUT THERE, AND SOME OF THEM JUST DIDN'T WANT TO BE PART OF IT, AND THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S PART OF GROWING UP, AND THAT'S PART OF BRINGING NEW PEOPLE IN TO RUN IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T FIRED ANYBODY OUT THERE SINCE WE'VE OWNED THAT PROPERTY.
>> WELL, I'M THE ONE INVOLVED IN IT OUT THERE, SO I KNOW IT'S TRUE.
>> I BELIEVE YOU IF IT'S TRUE.
>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.
>> HOW WAS YOUR INTENTION TO DO WITH THE SEWAGE?
>> THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON SEPTIC, SIR, YES. SOUL ANSWER THAT.
IT'S TWO ACRE LOTS. IT'S GOING TO BE ON SEPTIC.
IF AGAIN, GETTING INTO THE ENGINEERING, IF THERE WAS ABILITY TO TIE IS HERE ANYWHERE, WE DON'T THINK THERE IS, SO WE PLAN ON DOING SEPTIC ON ALL THE LOTS.
YES, SIR. GETTING WATER FROM YOU GUYS WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT, BUT SEPTIC FOR THE TWO ACRE LOTS.
>> A PLAN TO MAKE ROAD WIDER ON GREG AND GRAND?
>> YES, SIR, THAT WE ALL THROUGH THE ENGINEERING AND STUFF.
OUR PART, SO WE ONLY CONTROL WHAT WE OWN FOR THE ROAD STRUCTURE.
THE CITY WILL LOOK AT IT AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS YET.
IF IT DOES, WHATEVER WIDTHS IT SAY IT HAS TO MEET, WE'LL MEET ALL YOUR CITY REQUIREMENTS.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES ON ANY ROADS, ANY LANDSCAPING, ANY SETBACKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YES, SIR. ONCE WE GET INTO THE ENGINEERING PART OF IT, THAT ROAD WILL BE WHATEVER WIDTH THE CITY ORDINANCE AND WHAT IT SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO BUILD.
>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS.
I'VE LIVED IN THIS AREA WITHIN FIVE MILES OF HERE FOR 55.5 YEARS.
I'VE BEEN ON THE P&Z SINCE 2004 OR SOMETHING, SEVEN. I DON'T KNOW.
ANYWAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE REALLY TRIED TO GET OVER THE YEARS ARE DEVELOPERS THAT ACTUALLY WORK WITH US CORRECTLY.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS A LOT OF TRUTH TO THE STATEMENT THAT THIS PLACE IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE FARM LAND THAT I SEE EVERY DAY AND EVERYTHING.
BUT I THINK THE REALITY IS THAT IF PARTS OF PARKER ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, AND WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO HANDLE THAT, THEN WE NEED TO GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO DO IT.
I THINK THAT MY OPINION IS THAT AFTER SITTING ON HERE AND LOOKING AT THIS OVER YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS IS THAT GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO DO IT IS 99% OF THE JOB, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WE END UP HAVING TO FIGHT FINS TYPE DEVELOPMENTS AND MUDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
HONESTLY, THE FASTER WE GET PARKER DEVELOPED THE WAY WE WANT IT DEVELOPED, THE LESS CHANCE THERE IS OF SOMEONE COMING IN TO TRY AND THROW A MUD IN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
TO THAT, WE REALLY ONLY HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY TWO ACRE MINIMUM TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE 1,400 DIFFERENT ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS.
GARY WAS DOING HIS JOB WHEN HE WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THESE ACRE AND A HALF, THAT THING.
KUDOS TO GARY FOR STICKING UP WITH THIS AND AROUND OF APPLAUSE.
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BUT I JUST WANT TO INTERJECT THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF US HAVE BEEN SITTING UP HERE FOR A LONG TIME.I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN SITTING UP HERE PROBABLY EVEN LONGER, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT GETTING SOMEONE WHO'S WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND DO THE RIGHT THING IS REALLY THE HARD PART.
I APPRECIATE IT. SOMEONE WHO'S GROWN UP HERE, WILL MAYBE HAVE TO TRADE SOME STORIES.
>> I DIDN'T LIVE IN PARKER, BUT I WAS IN ALLEN FOR A LONG TIME.
MY FOLLOW GREW UP IN RICHARDSON, BUT SIDE NOTE.
BUT ONE THING TOO, IS AS WE GO THROUGH THESE DISCUSSIONS, WE'VE TALKED TO THE CITY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY INTEREST IN CARVING OUT SOME OF THAT LAND IN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT FOR A CITY HALL THAT COULD BE SOMETHING COOL? DOES IT NEED A POLICE? ALL THAT STUFF WILL COME IN THESE DISCUSSIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE WANT BUYING ON THIS.
WE WANT THE CITY OF PARKER TO BE PART OF THIS BECAUSE WE ARE IN THEIR BACKYARD.
WE DON'T WANT TO GO OUT THERE AND SOMEBODY, I THINK IT WAS SPEAKER EARLIER ABOUT A HISTORICAL DESIGNATION.
WE CAN GO DOWN THAT ROAD IF WE WANT.
ALSO, SOMETIMES YOU CREATE YOUR OWN EVIL, BECAUSE THE STATLER HOTEL WAS SUCH A NIGHTMARE OF DOING IT HISTORICALLY, BECAUSE THE WINDOWS HAD TO LOOK JUST LIKE THEY DID IN A PICTURE.
BUT WE HAD 500 WINDOWS THAT THE LINE WAS OFF A HALF INCH.
WE HAD TO GET 500 NEW WINDOWS THAT MATCHED IT.
WE HAVE NO PROBLEM SETTING THAT UP IN THAT STUFF.
I THINK GOING THROUGH THIS, WE'LL CLEAN UP A LOT OF THE USES THAT YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE ON THAT ENTERTAINMENT DEAL.
WE WANT TO GET ALL OF IT CLEANED UP, SO YOU UNDERSTAND THE FUTURE MOVING FORWARD, EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE FROM NOW ON.
>> I AGREE THAT THAT'S A THAT'S A BENEFIT TO THE CITY AND PARKER IS TO GET KIND OF ALL THAT DEFINED, WELL DEFINED AND CLEANED UP. GO AHEAD.
I'M TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WE CAN'T DO IT OR WE WON'T DO IT.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMITMENT TONIGHT BECAUSE WHEN YOU LAY IT OUT TO THIS DEFINED WHEN YOU'RE MOVING TAKING THREE TO HALF ACRE LOTS.
NOW, SAYING THAT, IF WE GET THROUGH THE ENGINEERING PART OF IT AND WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME RETENTION POND SOMEWHERE, MAYBE IT GOES IN YOUR AREA AND IT ALLOWS US TO TAKE SOME SLOT THEY CALL IT TO DO THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO LIE TO YOU AND SAY THAT WE CAN OR CAN'T DO THAT, BUT WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE NUTS AND BOATS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT'S ONLY 21 LOTS OF.
THAT'S NOT A LOT. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY AFTER WE GET THROUGH THIS, IF WE GET OUR ZONING AND STUFF.
I'LL GIVE YOU MY CARD TONIGHT.
WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME DOWN AND SIT WITH YOUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE TO MORE WE CAN DO.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WE CAN DO EVERYTHING YOU WANT US TO DO.
BUT I DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH TO CALLING CREEKS.
WE HAD ABOUT 1,000 PEOPLE AT A MEETING ONE NIGHT AND WE TOOK FOUR HOURS OF QUESTIONS.
FROM WE HATE YOU TO THIS TO THAT TO FINALLY LISTEN TO SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS.
WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEHIND IT ON PLANO PARKWAY.
NOT GIVING THEM ACCESS OVER THERE, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD WANT TO BE SEPARATE FROM THAT NEW NEIGHBORHOOD. NO, THEY WERE MAD.
WE WORKED WITH THE CITY TO GET THEM THEIR OWN CROSSWALK BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO COME OVER THERE AND ENJOY WHEN THE MALL GOT WOKE.
I'LL MAKE YOU THIS COMMITMENT.
WE'LL SIT DOWN, I'LL GIVE YOU MY CARD TONIGHT.
I'LL GET MY ENGINEERS, PEOPLE SMARTER THAN ME IN THE ROOM, HEAR YOUR CONCERNS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T GIVE ON.
I'M NOT GOING TO SIT FOR A LIE AND SAY GUESS WE CAN.
>> CAN YOU TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY. I'M UP HERE.
>> I'VE BEEN LOOKING AROUND IT. I'M SORRY.
>> I'M JUST CURIOUS OF THE SOLID BLACK LINE, I KNOW IT'S JUST CONCEPTUAL.
IT LOOKS LIKE NOT ALL OF THE TV DEEDS ARE INCLUDED IN WHERE YOU'RE WANTING TO REZONE.
I JUST WOULD BE CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE TV DEEDS.
>> I HAD TO THINK ABOUT THIS WHEN THIS SAYS TV DEEDS ON HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WAS AROUND HERE WHEN THEY WERE SELLING THE ONE SQUARE INCH OF SOUTHFORK.
I OWN AT LEAST ONE, MAYBE TWO.
I OWN A COUPLE OF SQUARE INCHES OF SOUTHFORK, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE LEGAL THING IS THAT THEY CAN DO WITH.
WE KNOW WE CAN'T TOUCH THAT PROPERTY.
YOU CAN'T BUILD STRUCTURES ON THAT PROPERTY.
WE IT'S HARD TO FIND A LOT OF IT WAS SOMEWHAT OVER JUST SQUARE BY SQUARE.
IT WAS I GUESS A GREAT IDEA BACK WHENEVER IT WAS DONE.
OUR ATTORNEYS LOOKED AT IT, AND WE'RE LIKE, WE CAN'T NOTIFY EVERYBODY ON THIS STUFF.
WE DON'T WANT TO BECAUSE AS SOON AS YOU DO, ONE GUY'S GOING TO SEE YOU.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE OUR PARK KIND OF OVER THERE BY THAT.
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MEMORIALIZE THAT AND HAVE A PARK THERE THAT MIGHT EXPLAIN WHAT TV DEEDS ARE.
IF WE COULD DO ANYTHING IN THERE, MAYBE A FOUNTAIN OR SOMETHING, BUT WE'VE BEEN TOLD YOU CAN'T TOUCH IT BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY DRIVES OUT THERE, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THAT PARK AND SEE WHERE THEIR SQUARE IS, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO NAMES ON IT OR ANYTHING.
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THAT'S A CHALLENGED AREA.>> I'M THINKING WE PUT IN ONE INCH SQUARE BRICKS THERE.
>> WELL, THERE'S A POND, I THINK, BACK OVER THERE TOO. THAT'S HARD TO SEE.
THAT WAS THEY COULD GO OUT THERE AND SIT BY THE POND AND LOOK AT THAT LITTLE DEED, WHICH THEY HAVE NO OWNERSHIP TO, BUT THAT WILL NOT BE TOUCHED.
>>I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT RUSSELL SAID, I'VE BEEN ON P&Z FOR A LONG TIME TOO.
MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE HAD A DEVELOPER COMING IN, HE WOULD ALWAYS THREATEN US WITH, WELL, WE CAN PUT, 300 TRAILER HOUSES OUT THERE ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, OR WE CAN PUT DEVELOPMENTS IN THERE LIKE THEY HAVE IN PLANO.
BECAUSE SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DEVELOP WERE LIKE THREE DIFFERENT PIECES, LIKE SPRING HILL ESTATES.
PART OF IT, I THINK EIGHT SOME ODD ACRES WAS IN PLANO, AND THEN I THINK 180 ACRES WAS IN CITY OF PARKER, AND THEN THE REST OF IT WAS ETJ, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE THREATENING.
YOU JUST WHEN YOU GET A DEVELOPER WHO COMES IN AND WANTS TO WORK WITH YOU, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME.
WHEN WE MOVED HERE, THAT ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE HAD COWS ON IT AND WE ENJOYED THEM.
I MEAN, EVERY NOW AND THEN, THEY GOT OUT LOOSE AND PEOPLE WOULD STOP AND THEY'D SAY, HEY, YOUR COWS ARE OUT AND I SAID, WELL, THEY'RE NOT MINE, BUT I KNOW WHO THEY BELONG TO.
I'D HELP THEM GET THEM BACK IN WHERE THEY BELONG.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S IT'S KIND OF A BREATH OF PRESSURE TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN HERE AND SAY THAT THEY WERE GOING TO WORK WITH YOU.
>> IN HER AREA, IT WAS THE CAMEL.
>> WHEN I MOVED HERE, I BOUGHT A HOUSE IN A RESIDENTIAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS NO LONGER ON THE BOOKS, AND WE HAVE JUST UNDER A HALF ACRE.
THEN I SUDDENLY FOUND OUT AFTER GETTING MORE INVOLVED WITH THE CITY AND EVERYTHING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TWO ACRES.
THEN THEY ALSO SAID THEY HAD ONE AND A HALF ME I'VE SEEN WHERE WE'VE JUST HELD HELD THE LINE AT TWO ACRES.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT PARKER IS ABOUT, LARGE LOTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
BUT DO THE DEVELOPMENT WITH COMMON SENSE AND LOGIC IN IT AND NOT JUST THROW UP A PLAN OUT THERE AND NOT REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE EFFECT OF IT.
>> WE TRIED FOR A YEAR FOR AN ACRE.
I'M JUST SAYING, AND WE GET KEPT GETTING THROWN BACK.
WE UNDERSTOOD YOUR CULTURE TOO, AND WE DID.
WE'RE NOT SITTING UP OR JUST TALKING, THEY CALL US IN THE DAY WE HAD TO COMPLAIN ABOUT LOUD MUSIC OUT THERE, AND THEY WERE GOING TIL ALMOST ONE O'CLOCK, WHICH WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO. WE MADE A COMMITMENT.
TAKES ANOTHER HOUR TO GET HIM OUT OF THERE.
WE'VE GOT A BIG CONCERT, SEPTEMBER THE SEVENTH.
TRACY DONAHUE, WHICH WE CAN'T ANNOUNCE IT UNTIL AFTER 9:30 TONIGHT BECAUSE HE'S SINGING AND DENTING.
BUT WE'RE CUTTING THAT OFF AT 11 BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
AGAIN, GETTING THIS DING DONE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE NEIGHBORS OUT THERE ARE GOING TO KEEP US A LOT MORE ACCOUNTABLE ON SOME OF THE MUSIC INSIDE THE EVENT ALL TOO.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOUND PROOF IT, BUT IT'LL TAKE AWAY THAT OUTDOOR TO EVEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT ONCE IF THE REZONING IS APPROVED, THAT WE WILL NOT APPROVE IF YOU TRY TO DOWNSIZE THE LOTS TO LESS THAN TWO ACRES.
>> IF THEY GET THEIR ZONING, IT WILL BE WHAT THE ZONING IS.
>> THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS.
>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT YOU PUT INTO THIS AND I APPRECIATE.
>> I DID BRING THE COPIES IF SOMEBODY WANT TO BE SPIES, I'M SURE YOU ALL PROBABLY HAD THEM, I DIDN'T KNOW.
IF YOU NEED IF YOU WANT ME TO LEAVE THESE, WE GOT ON 11*17 COPIES OF OUR WHOLE PRESENTATION.
>> IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION UP HERE FROM THE COMMITTEE?
>> ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE?
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>> WE ARE OKAY. BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE MERGED ITEMS NUMBER 2 AND ITEMS NUMBER 3 A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO NOW IS WE NEED TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US, WE RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY APPROVE THE ZONING, IF THERE ARE ANY ADDENDUMS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE TO THAT OR IF WE IF WE NEED TO TABLE IT FOR NOW.
I GUESS, WE'VE GOT SOME OPTIONS HERE.
FROM WHAT I SEE HERE, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT IT'S WITHIN WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE DONE IN PARKER.
IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS, I'D SAY, DON'T DO ANY DEVELOPMENT AT ALL. BUT I DON'T.
I THINK THERE'S THE REALITY OF THAT IS PRETTY LOW, BUT ANYWAY, HOW ABOUT WHAT DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK UP HERE? WHAT'S THE COMMITTEE THINK HERE?
>> MY THOUGHT IS THAT THE ZONE 1 IS MY PART IS ACCEPTABLE AND ZONE 2.
I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY TAKEN THE CONSIDERATION OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON GRAY LANE AND GRAY GREEN LANE, TO THE EXTENT THAT SATISFIES THE EXTENT THAT IT COULD BE SATISFACTORY TO THOSE RESIDENTS.
>> I HAVE NO HESITATION ON THE ZONE 1, THE SPECIAL EVENT SPACE REZONING TO SINGLE FAMILY, BUT I AM SOMEWHAT CONCERNED ABOUT THE ZONE 2, THE SMALLER PARCEL OF LAND.
BUT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU OWN PROPERTY, YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO WITH IT AS YOU WANT AS PERMITTED UNDER THE LAW.
OUR ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS SINGLE FAMILY AT TWO ACRES AND ABOVE IS PERMITTED, SO THAT'S MY DIFFICULTY.
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS, AND I TOTALLY GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
BUT WE CANNOT IMPOSE UNREALISTIC AND UNREASONABLE LIMITS ON SOMEBODY WHO OWNS PROPERTY IN OUR CITY.
AS LONG AS THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING AND ABIDING BY OUR LAWS, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO HELP THEM GET THESE HOUSES BUILT ACCORDING TO OUR PREFERENCES AND ACCORDING TO OUR LAWS.
>> I JUST WANT TO CHIME IN REAL QUICK WITH SOMETHING IS THAT IS THAT THERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL LAW CHANGES THAT COULD BE OCCURRING IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD CAUSE US MORE GRIEF IN THE FUTURE AS WELL.
THAT'S WHERE BASICALLY WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH CONTROL OVER SOME OF OUR OWN LANDS. WE GOT.
>> I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT ZONING NUMBER 1.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT ZONING NUMBER 2 WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE COMING OFF OF THERE AND WITH THE PARK LEAN ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE, KIDS COME DOWN THE STREET AND PLAYING THERE.
I KNOW THE DEVELOPER COULD MAYBE REDUCE THE NUMBER OF LOTS THERE, AND ALSO THE STREETS THEMSELVES AREN'T IN THAT GOOD OF A SHAPE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO THERE.
BUT AGAIN, IT DOES FIT OUR ZONING REQUIREMENTS OF TWO ACRES.
AGAIN, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THESE OTHER ISSUES WHEN THEY COME TO US FOR PLATTING.
HOPEFULLY, THEY WILL GO BACK AND CONSIDER WHAT WE'VE TOLD THEM AND MAYBE COME BACK WITH A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PLAN ON THAT ZONING AREA, NUMBER 2.
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>> THE DEVELOPER HAS GIVEN US HIS WORD THAT HE'S WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU ALL.
>> I JUST LIKE THAT ONE THING.
I THINK LOOKING AT THAT WEST SIDE, WE TOOK IT WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR LAND USE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL SAYS TWO ACRES.
JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET THERE ANY LESS LOTS. LOT OF THAT COMES OUT AGAIN.
I SET THROUGH YOUR ENGINEERING PROCESS, DRAINAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
MAYBE FROM 21 LOTS TO 19, I DON'T KNOW.
WE'RE GOING TO STICK WITH THE TWO ACRES UNLESS THERE'S SOME SLOP LIKE WE ADDRESSED TO THEM THAT WE COULD TAKE OUT AND DO SOMETHING THERE.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BE PRETTY HARD SET ON THAT, UNLESS DRAINAGE AND SHOWS US SOME SLOP WE CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
>> EVERYTHING TONIGHT IS REALLY ABOUT JUST RECOMMENDING FOR APPROVAL OF THE ZONING. THAT'S IT.
>> THERE WILL BE MANY STEPS FROM NOW UNTIL HOUSE IS ACTUALLY GETTING BUILT.
EVERY STEP OF THE WAY PLANNING AND ZONING WILL BE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER AND YOU ALL WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO COME AND TALK TO US AND WE'LL STAY ON TOP OF IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND HAS A GOOD ATTITUDE.
>> JUST A SMALL CORRECTION THERE.
YOU SAID THAT THERE'S 21 LOTS ON THAT ZONE 2. I COUNTED 22.
>> YEAH. THERE'S 67 ON THE OTHER SIDE.
>> I WAS OFF MY MAP, I GUESS, I WAS [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]
>> BUT 20 SOUNDS WAY BETTER THAN [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]
>> AT LEAST SHE'S NOT SAYING, I THINK THERE'S 43 HERE NOW.2
>> I'D LIKE TO JUST OFFER A COMMENT.
I DON'T HAVE A VOTE TODAY BECAUSE I'M AN ALTERNATE, BUT I DO LIVE IN BROOKS FARM, AND SO I HEARD YOU AND I CAN GET.
I'M THE SECRETARY FOR THE HOMES ASSOCIATION.
THE DRAINAGE ISSUES INTO BROOKS FARM ARE SIGNIFICANT NOW.
I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERN CHANGING THE ZONING FROM SPECIAL ACTIVITIES TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ON THE 151 ACRES.
I HAVE SOME TREPIDATION ABOUT CHANGING THE TRACT 254 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC.
I THINK THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY A NIGHTMARE AT THAT INTERSECTION AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING 89 HOMES TOTAL.
I GUESS I'M JUST PONDERING THAT ONE, BUT I SUPPORT TRACT ONE.
>> ALL OF THOSE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND EVERYTHING, THOSE WILL COME WITH THE ENGINEERING.
IT'S GOT TO BE ADDRESSED AT SOME POINT.
MIGHT GET MORE TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
>> [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] PARKER ROAD. THEY CUT DOWN THROUGH NEW THROUGH [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'M OFF OF DUBLIN ROAD, SO I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY ALL THE CUT THROUGH STUFF.
>> ALSO REMEMBER DOWN TO TWO LANES [INAUDIBLE]
>> THERE IS A BUILDING ALONG WEST ROAD, ALL THAT TRAFFIC COMING TO 75. [INAUDIBLE]
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>> HONESTLY, THIS IS INSIGNIFICANT COMPARED TO WHAT'S BEING BUILT.
>> EXACTLY. A LOT OF THINGS COMING UP.
>> WHATEVER GETS BUILT HERE IS GOING TO BE SWAMPED BY EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEING BUILT AROUND.
>> I WANT TO LIT THE INTERSECTION JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THE INTERSTATE.
>> WELL, MAYBE I'LL MOVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE REZONING OF ZONING 1, THE 151 ACRE PARCEL.
>> WE HAVE A SECOND, COMMISSIONER LEVY.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION? WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND, WE'VE RECOMMENDED THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THAT ZONING CHANGE TAKE PLACE AND CITY COUNCIL IS ACTUALLY THE BODY THAT DOES THAT FINAL APPROVAL AND EVERYTHING.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT IS WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE'S INPUT, WHICH YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET SOME MORE INPUT IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
BUT WE TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT FROM A ZONING CLASSIFICATION AND ALL THE ZONING REGULATIONS THAT EVERYTHING IS ON THE UP AND UP HERE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR ZONING CASE NUMBER 1.
NOW WE'RE ON ZONING CASE NUMBER 2,
[3. ZONING 2– [MM SOUTH FORK 241, LLC -APPROXIMATELY 54.053 ACRES] ]
WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE SMALLER PARCEL OF 54 ACRES.[LAUGHTER] YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.
IS THERE ANY REASON FROM A LEGAL AND ZONING ISSUE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S
>> BOTH OF THESE ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE MOVING ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR FINAL APPROVAL BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE FROM A LEGAL AND FROM A CITY STANDPOINT WHY THERE'S REALLY ANY REASON THAT WE SHOULD NOT RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL.
ACTUALLY, I WANT TO SAY, GARY HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OVER THE YEAR OR TWO JUST KEEPING UP WITH THIS AND EVERYTHING. APPRECIATE THAT GARY.
>> WHEN IT COMES TO CITY COUNCIL, THEY'LL BE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL, SO YOUR VOICES CAN BE HEARD AGAIN AND YOU CAN MAKE YOUR SAME STATEMENT THAT YOU MADE WITH US.
BUT THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY MAKE THE CHANGES.
>> THAT BRINGS US ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4,
[4. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN (COMP PLAN).]
REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.I GUESS THE QUESTION THERE IS, WE'VE GOT THE MARKUPS.
HAVE WE HAD ANY FINAL DOCUMENT THAT HAD THESE INCORPORATED?
>> THE ONE THAT YOU PROVIDED IS THE ONE WE'RE CONSIDERING THE WORKING DOCUMENT AND WE WANT TO HAVE FROM ONE DOCUMENT, TRACK CHANGES AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE MOVED IT THAT WAY.
IT'S TRACKED ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
WE JUST WANTED TO BRING IT BACK TONIGHT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE BEFORE WE HAVE A HEARING ON THAT.
>> I THINK I'M GOING TO JUST SAY THAT WE'VE PROBABLY BEAT A DEAD HORSE HERE.
>> LUCY HAD ONE ITEM THAT SHE WANTED TO DISCUSS ABOUT THAT.
>> THERE IS ONE THING THAT I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE IN COMMITTEE, BUT NOT IN FRONT OF THE BOARD THAT KEEPS NAGGING ME.
THAT'S IT ALLUDES THAT WE HAD APPROVED
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A CITY ALL AT THE SAME TIME THAT WHEN THE BOND ISSUE WAS PASSED FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.I'VE TALKED TO SOME OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT IT, AND YOU TWO SHOULD HAVE SOME INPUT ON THIS.
MY MEMORY IS THAT WHEN WE APPROVED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BOND, THAT IT WAS SEPARATED FROM THE CITY HALL BOND, THOSE TWO THINGS WERE ON THE BALLOT AND THAT WE DID APPROVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IT WAS BUILT. BUT I RECALL THAT THE VOTERS VOTED AGAINST A CITY HALL AT THAT TIME, AND THAT IT'S COME BACK MAYBE YOU AGREE WITH ME.
THAT THAT'S YOUR RECOLLECTION.
IT'S COME BACK AS A BOND ISSUE TWICE MORE SINCE THEN, AND IT'S GOTTEN CLOSE, BUT THE VOTERS CONTINUE TO VOTE NO.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMP PLAN DOESN'T ALLUDE TO THAT WE EVER HAD A BOND ISSUE APPROVING IT.
>> WELL, IT'S CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, SO LET ME LOOK AT A PAGE FOR YOU.
THE SAME GOES FOR A POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S MY RECOLLECTION THAT THE BOND ISSUE WE NEVER APPROVED A BOND ISSUE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THAT THAT'S A BOND ISSUE THAT AND CITY HALL HAS THAT IS YET TO BE APPROVED.
>> I'M SORRY, I MISS PART OF WHAT YOU SAID.
>> WE'RE LOOKING AT [INAUDIBLE]
>> WE'RE LOOKING AT PAGE 19 THAT TALKS ABOUT THE CITY HALL.
I GUESS WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF BOND ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN VOTED DOWN FOR CITY HALL.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE LUCY IS MAKING SURE WE DON'T ALLUDE TO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT THAT MAY NEVER BE BUILT.
>> IF MY MEMORY IS CORRECT, IF YOU RECALL THE SAME WAY I DO THAT THAT WAS TWO ITEMS ON THE BOND ISSUE, NOT ONE, AND THAT WE APPROVED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT DID NOT APPROVE THE CITY HALL AND NOT IN TWO SUBSEQUENT ISSUES, AND WHETHER I'M FOR IT OR AGAINST IT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT TRANSPIRED IS CORRECT IN THE COMP PLAN.
>> IF YOU WERE GOING TO CHANGE THAT PARAGRAPH, HOW WOULD YOU CHANGE IT? MAYBE YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THAT.
>> ARE WE TALKING, LIKE THE CITY INITIATED [OVERLAPPING] THREE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS AND TWO BOND PROPOSALS, 2024 FOR 9.5 MILLION AND 2023 FOR 8.63 MILLION, WHERE RESIDENTS DECLINED THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A NEW CITY BUILDING WHILE BOND INTEREST RATES WERE AS LOW AS 4.3%, RESPECTIVELY.
>> REFERRING TO THE BOND FROM 1984 TO
>> [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE I DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BOND THAT WAS FIRE.
>> ON PAGE 19, IT SAYS AS THE CITY GREW RESIDENTS APPROVED THE FUNDING OF A NEW 15 SQUARE FOOT FIRE STATION WITH THE PROMISE IT ON FINISHED, THE CITY POLICE HALL BUILDING WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED.
THE FIRE STATION WAS COMPLETED IN 2009.
I GUESS JUST THE WORD PROMISE OR I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE A BETTER WORD.
>> I'M READING SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
>> PAGE 19 SAYS CITY HALL SECOND PARAGRAPH IN 2000 FUNDED BY CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION.
THE COMMUNITY BUILDING WAS EXPANDED AT BOTH [OVERLAPPING]
>> I MAY BE READING ON AN OLDER COPY.
LET ME LOOK AT THE ONLINE COPY.
>> YOU MIGHT USE A WORD LIKE ANTICIPATION.
>> YEAH. THE MARKED UP COPY WAS INCLUDED AS PART OF THE PDF PACKAGE.
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WE'RE ON PAGE 100 OF THE PDF PACKAGE, WHICH IS PAGE 21 OF THE COMP PLAN.>> THAT PARAGRAPH DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE CITY HALL.
>> IT ONLY TALKS ABOUT THE [OVERLAPPING] FIRE STATION AND POLICE.
>> BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE SCREEN.
>> IN FACT, I DO HAVE THAT PULLED UP HERE, SO LET ME SEE WHAT'S ON PAGE 19 AND MAKE SURE.
[BACKGROUND] WHAT'D THEY DO HERE? NO CITY HALL FOR '19 AND 2020.
PLEASE DON'T TRY AND UPDATE ANYTHING.
>> IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN UPDATED FROM ONE OF THE OLDER COPIES THAT I WAS READING OFF OF.
>> YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE'VE BEEN HAVING.
>> YOU'RE OKAY? CITY HALL AND FIRE STATION ARE IN TWO SEPARATE SECTIONS SO THEY'RE ADDRESSED SEPARATELY.
>> CORRECT. I WAS JUST CONFIRMING THE TWO OTHER RESIDENTS THAT WERE HERE AT THAT TIME.
REMEMBER THE BOND ISSUED THE WAY I DID, THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS APPROVED AND THE CITY HALL HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED YET. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I GUESS IT BEHOOVES US TO GET TO WORK IF WE WANT CITY HALL AND GET SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL APPROVE.
>> I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IS MISREPRESENTED HERE.
>> THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED.
>> WE NOW HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN.
[LAUGHTER] JUST IN TIME TO NOT NEED IT.
>> THAT'S HOW IT READS RIGHT NOW.
>> RUSSELL, CAN WE GO TO PAGE 20?
>> PUT IT ON THE OTHER SCREEN.
>> THE CITY ADMINISTRATION PAGE?
>> ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS, WE NEED TO ADD TWO POSITIONS THERE.
>> PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND BUILDING OFFICIAL.
>> OOPS. PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR?
NOT AN OFFICIAL BUILDING, RIGHT? BUILDING OFFICIAL.
I'M KIDDING. I'M SORRY, YOU'VE GOT TO APPRECIATE MY LACK OF HUMOR.
>> CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? WHAT I BROUGHT WITH ME IS OUR CHANGES FROM LAST TIME AND THE CORRECTIONS THAT WERE MADE.
THEN I MATCHED THE DOCUMENTS, SO I DID A COMPARE DOCUMENT, SO IT SHOWS WHAT WAS CHANGED FROM THE LAST TIME WE MET. WOULD THAT HELP?
>> WELL, [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T THINK WE NEED IT YET.
>> HE DOESN'T HAVE THE CHANGED VERSION.
>> I DON'T HAVE THE INCORPORATED CHANGES.
>> IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE IT [OVERLAPPING] FOR WHEN WE GET IT SENT OUT BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
[OVERLAPPING] THE PROBLEM IS JUST TO HAVE THE FORM CORRECTED. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THIS IS THE FINISHED [OVERLAPPING]
>> THIS IS THE DOCUMENT WITH ALL THE CHANGES NOW INCORPORATED, RIGHT?
[02:00:01]
>> CORRECT. THEN THERE'S ANOTHER DOCUMENT SAYING COMP PLAN, BUT IT SHOWS THE CHANGES THAT I MADE.
>> YEAH. BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD ASSUME WHAT YOU WANT TONIGHT IS TO HAVE A DRAFT.
>> IF YOU HAVE THE LATEST ONE WITH ALL THE INCORPORATED CHANGES, IF YOU HAND IT TO ME, I WILL PUT IT ON HERE, I WILL MAKE THAT CHANGE, AND I WILL GIVE IT BACK TO YOU SO YOU CAN IMPRESS.
THAT'S THE ONE [INAUDIBLE] [BACKGROUND]
>> SORRY. [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE]
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE, RIGHT? [INAUDIBLE] ANYTHING THEY OPENED WITH YOU BEFORE WE TURN BACK? NOW I CAN GIVE YOU BACK THE FINISHED PRODUCT.
>> NO, I BELIEVE YOU NEED TO APPROVE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE BETWEEN THE LAST MEETING AND THIS MEETING SO THAT A CLEAN COPY CAN GO OUT.
>> REVIEW AND DISCUSS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING?
>> YES. YOU WANT TO END UP TONIGHT WITH A CLEAN COPY.
>> RIGHT. WELL, YEAH, I WANT TO END UP [INAUDIBLE].
I DID INCORPORATE THE CHANGES [INAUDIBLE].
>> THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE FROM?
>> I KNOW, BUT THE [OVERLAPPING]
[02:05:02]
>> IT SHOWS THE MARKUPS FROM THE LAST MEETING.
HE STATED THAT HE'D INCORPORATED THOSE MARKUPS AND THEN I JUST MARKED UP THE INCORPORATED MARKUPS.
>> THEN IF WE ALL AGREE TO THIS, I WILL BASICALLY ACCEPT THOSE CHANGES SO THAT THE [INAUDIBLE]. [BACKGROUND]
>> SORRY, I WASN'T HERE AT THE LAST MEETING.
FOR EXAMPLE, COMPARED TO WHAT JOE SAID, THIS DESK [INAUDIBLE] WITH THE TABLE.
>> YEAH. SHE COMPLETED ALL THE CHANGES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT THE VERSION WE HAVE HERE, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
>> THE VERSION WE HAVE THERE DOESN'T HAVE THE CHANGES, THEY'RE JUST A SUGGESTION.
>> SHE DID THE CHANGES WHICH I JUST NOW HAVE [INAUDIBLE] PAGE 26. [BACKGROUND]
>> THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING.
>> THERE WASN'T ANYTHING WHERE YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR YOU HAD A QUESTION [INAUDIBLE]?
>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS, THE EXACT WORDING WASN'T DISCUSSED [OVERLAPPING] AS IN YOU'D RATHER SUGGEST THOSE COMMENTS IF THERE WAS ANY TRANSLATION WITH THE COMMENT TO CHANGE FROM WHAT THEY REQUESTED ABOUT THAT.
>> IF I UNDERSTAND, SO WHAT SHE SAID WAS THAT WE MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR SOME THINGS THAT SHOULD BE CHANGED.
WE CHANGED THEM BUT WE REALLY MADE THE PRECISE CHANGES.
>> THE DOCUMENT THAT SAYS COMPARE.
>> RIGHT, THE COMPARE DOCUMENT.
>> YOU'LL SEE ALL THOSE CHANGES, WOULD YOU LIKE THAT?
>> THERE'S A GAP IN MY UNDERSTANDING.
I'M NOT GETTING THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> WHAT IS THE MATTER [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND]
>> NO. TWO WEEKS AND IT'LL BE UPDATED.
>> THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL [INAUDIBLE].
THE FIRST CHANGE WAS THE REFERENCE TO SOUTHFORK, AND I PUT IT ON THE NEXT PAGE.
IT FITS BETTER WITH THE HISTORY.
>> RIGHT HERE. SOUTHFORK RANCH DEVELOPMENT.
>> IT SHOULD BE THE LAST PARAGRAPH.
[02:10:44]
>> IF WE GO TO BE BEST [INAUDIBLE]
>> IT'S GOING TO BE THE LAST [INAUDIBLE].
>> [OVERLAPPING] FINAL HERE? IS THE FINAL.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THE EXTRA SPACE HAS BEEN REMOVED RIGHT THERE AND HAVE RIGHT HERE AND THE EXTRA SPACE. [INAUDIBLE]
>> BUT FIRST [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER].
>> THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S AT THE END OF THE SURVEY.
>> I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S NOT REAL.
THIS [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE].
>> I THINK THOSE ARE NOT REAL.
>> THIS COMES OUT TO FORMAT THAT FOR THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> BUT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY [INAUDIBLE].
>> YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE FINAL VERSION THERE, YOU'RE JUST COMPARING [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHAT ARE YOU THINKING FOR IT?
>> THAT'S RIGHT. I'M MAKING THE CHANGES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CHANGE HERE. CHANGE [OVERLAPPING].
>> SURE. GOT A PDM. [INAUDIBLE]
>> AWESOME. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO USE THEIR MICROPHONE.
[02:15:01]
>> USE YOUR MICROPHONE, SORRY.
BUT WE HAVE BROADCAST ON CHANNEL 11.
>> WE'RE SCROLLING THROUGH THIS. I DON'T SEE.
LET'S SEE, WE'RE ON PAGE 5 SCROLLING THROUGH TO PAGE 6.
WHAT DO YOU LIKE MOST ABOUT PARKER? THAT WAS A MISSING WORD.
>> MISSING WORD. CAN YOU GO BY [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT? PAGE 8?
>> [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU. READ THE FIRST.
THERE'S A CHANGE INCLUDING HOUSEHOLD INCOME AND AVERAGE HOME VALUES.
INSTEAD OF HH, IT'S SPELLED OUT HOUSEHOLD.
>> YES, I DO. [LAUGHTER] WELL, I GOT TO GO BACK TO PAGE 10 ON THIS AND GET THAT ON PAGE 10.
WHERE WAS THAT ANYWAY? OH, NO.
MY BATTERY'S DYING BECAUSE I DIDN'T PLUG IN.
HANG ON A SECOND. WHERE WAS THAT? AS WE CONTINUE. OH, THAT'S ON PAGE 11, THAT'S WHY. [LAUGHTER].
>> LET'S SEE, HANG ON A SECOND.
I WAS FINDING THAT ON PAGE 11.
>> THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS UP AS A NEW PARAGRAPH.
DOES IT NEED TO BE A NEW PARAGRAPH? I DON'T THINK SO EITHER. WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
I THINK THAT'LL WORK. NOW, WE'RE DOWN HERE, WE GOT TO A SECTION BREAK.
>> ETJ, WE'RE ON PAGE 12, SCROLLING DOWN, FLOODPLAINS, PAGE 13. WHAT DID YOU SAY?
>> CAN YOU GO BACK UP ONE MORE?
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>> I CAN'T DECIDE THAT SHOULD BE INSIDE THE QUOTATION MARK.
>> THE WAY I'VE ALWAYS LEARNED THAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT NEEDS TO BE INSIDE THE QUOTATION MARK.
>> HOLD ON. WHAT IS THIS RIGHT HERE?
>> AO, AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE, MH, MANUFACTURER, SINGLE SF.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, YOU'D PROBABLY DO THIS SF, SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, SFT, SINGLE-FAMILY TRANSITIONAL, [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT COMMA NEEDS TO BE INSIDE.
>> I THINK I WILL. I THOUGHT I READ SOMEWHERE THAT THE SINGLE-FAMILY TRANSITIONAL IS OFF THE BOOKS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DELETE UP THERE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> IS IT HISTORICAL? SO IT HAS TO STAY?
>> ACTUALLY, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I THINK WHEN WE REVIEWED THIS, AND WE SAID THAT ALL OF THEM THAT WE'VE HAD ARE ACTUALLY IN HERE.
HANG ON A SECOND, I HAVE TO DO THIS LAND USE AMHSF.
I GOT TO ACTUALLY CORRECT THIS TWO TIMES HERE BECAUSE I'M WORKING WITH TWO DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS.
I GOT THAT. NOW WE'RE BACK HERE.
WE'RE ON PAGE 12, WE'RE SCROLLING DOWN.
>> THERE'S A PLACE WHERE IT'S MISSING TWO SPACES AFTER A PERIOD.
>> IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERY HOMEOWNER.
RIGHT THERE. THERE'S A WITNESS IN THERE.
THAT MUST BE SOME CONVERSION PROBLEM.
>> THERE'S A MISSING SPACE IN FRONT OF PARKER IS.
THE CHARACTER OF PARKER NEIGHBORHOODS.
THAT PARAGRAPH WAS DELETED. THE ONE THAT WITH THE BLUE.
>> THE ONE WITH THE BLUE MARK OUTS THERE.
>> WE CONSIDERED THAT KIND OF A NEGATIVE THING THAT WE JUST REALLY DIDN'T NEED TO.
>> AT THE END OF THE PARAGRAPH IT SAYS THERE'S A [INAUDIBLE] SPACE.
>> NO, IT'S THE END OF THE PARAGRAPH.
>> END OF THE PARAGRAPH DOESN'T MATTER.
IT'S ONLY THE SPACING BETWEEN SENTENCES THAT'S A PROBLEM.
>> THE PARAGRAPH SYMBOL WILL DISAPPEAR ONCE WE TAKE OFF.
>> WELL, I CAN TAKE OFF ALL OF IT LIKE THAT. SEE?
>> IT'S EASIER FOR US TO SPOT.
>> EXACTLY. I KNOW THAT. THAT'S WHY I LEAVE ALL THE MARKING ON.
[02:25:02]
ARE WE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE HERE?
>> OH, MAYBE IF YOU GO TO THE REVISED VERSION.
>> I'M LOOKING HERE. ON THE REVISED VERSION, IT LOOKS CORRECT.
THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF SINGLE SPACES, DOUBLE SPACES, AND STUFF IN ALL THIS I DON'T HEAR ABOUT.
THIS IS ALL TABLE DATA SO LET'S NOT BE AS THE TABLE IS.
WE'RE NOW ROLLING DOWN TO, WHAT PAGE ARE WE ON THERE? WE ARE ON PAGE 17 AND THERE'S A MARKUP UP HERE AT THE TOP.
PAGE 18, I THINK EVERYTHING WAS FINE THERE.
PAGE 19. NOW WE'RE INTO CITY HALL.
>> HAS 10. TYPICALLY, YOU CAN DO THAT.
IF IT'S 1 THROUGH 9, YOU CAN SPELL IT OUT WHEN YOU START GETTING DOUBLE.
>> THAT'S THE [INAUDIBLE] RULE.
>> THAT'S THE RULE I LEARNED TOO.
>> I SEE. I COULDN'T REMEMBER PUBLICS.
OOPS. I DIDN'T NEED TO DO THAT.
HANG ON A SECOND. I GOT TO GET MY OTHER DOCUMENT HERE IN SYNC.
AND WE HAVE BUILDING [INAUDIBLE] AND PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTORY.
THEN WE'RE DOWN HERE ON PAGE 20.
I THINK THAT WE GOT THAT AND PAGE 21, THE PARKER FIRE DEPARTMENT.
>> THERE'S THREE SPACES THERE.
>> THERE'S LOTS OF SPACES HERE.
THIS LINE THAT WAS COMPLETED IS A PROBLEM.
LET ME JUMP OVER TO THE OTHER.
>> CAN I ASK ABOUT THE SENTENCE? THE FIRE FACILITIES SERVED THE CITY TODAY.
>> THE FIRE FACILITIES SERVED THE CITY TODAY. WHAT IS THAT SAYING?
>> LET'S JUST SAY, THE FIRE FACILITY IS STAFFED WITH A FULL TIME.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN, THE FIRE FACILITY SERVED THE CITY TODAY?
>> I GUESS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE FACILITIES.
[02:30:01]
>> WELL, WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THEM IF THEY DON'T.
>> IF THEY DON'T SERVE THE CITY.
[LAUGHTER] I WOULD TEND TO AGREE.
>> IS THERE MORE THAN ONE FIRE FACILITY.
>> YOU COULD JUST SAY THE FIRE FACILITIES THAT SERVE THE CITY TODAY ARE STAFFED WITH A FULL TIME FIRE DEPARTMENT.
>> WHY IS THAT EVEN NECESSARY TO SAY IT SERVES THE CITY TODAY?
>> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FACILITIES THAT SERVED THE CITY YESTERDAY? [BACKGROUND].
>> THE FIRE FACILITIES ARE, WHAT'S THAT? [BACKGROUND] YEAH, THE FIRE FACILITIES.
WELL, IT DEPENDS ON HOW EUROPEAN YOU ARE.
BUT THE FACILITIES SINCE IT'S PLURAL WOULD BE ARE, BECAUSE YOU'D SAY THE FACILITIES ARE STAFFED.
>> WE CAN SAY THE FIRE STATION.
>> WE'RE JUST GOING WITH WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
>> THE FIRE STATION. [LAUGHTER]
>> IT COULD BE THE BUILDING AND THE TRUCKS.
>> NO. I'M OKAY WITH CHANGING TO [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE COULD EVEN SAY THE FIRE STATION IF YOU WANT TO REALLY GET AND DO IT.
>> I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT THE POLICE FACILITY, AND NOW WE TALK ABOUT.
>> FIRE STATION IS STAFFED, HOW'S THAT? THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE THINK ANYWAY.
YOU GUYS ARE WEARING ME OUT, MAN.
>> I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE WITH IT.
>> [LAUGHTER] YOU THOUGHT WE WERE DONE.
THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH? FOUR ROWS, OKAY? [LAUGHTER] ARE THOSE FACILITIES OR VEHICLES?
>> IS THERE A HYPHEN BETWEEN FULL AND TIME.
>> FULL TIME? I THINK FULL TIME IS ONE OF THOSE WORDS THAT WAS TWO WORDS, IT WAS HYPHENATED, AND I BELIEVE FULL TIME IS ACTUALLY CAN BE A SINGLE WORD NOW.
DO YOU THINK? I DON'T KNOW WHAT.
>> WE DON'T REALLY NEED THE JOB, REALLY.
>> HYPHENATED, WE REFER TO SOME OF THEM DOING FULL TIME.
>> THEY'RE NOT SAYING ONE WORD.
>> THE MODIFIER IS HYPHENATED.
>> THEN THERE'S ONE UP ABOVE TOO, THAT GOES TOO FAR.
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>> YOU KNOW WHAT? WONDER IF WE HAVE ANY WITH TWO SPACES? NO. DO WE HAVE ANY WITH NO SPACES? NO. I THINK WE MUST HAVE GOT THEM.
>> THIS IS WHY THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE FOR THE CLEAN UP TOOK A WHILE TOO BECAUSE WE WERE DOING THIS.
>> I REMEMBER. [LAUGHTER] HANG ON A SECOND.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND THIS OTHER. COME ON.
BACK TO HERE AND WE'LL GET ON BACK DOWN HERE THE PAGE WHEREVER WE ARE.
>> CAN WE GO BACK UP? THAT IS SPOTTED. [BACKGROUND]
>> OH, MAN. [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND] WELL, THERE'S LIKE THAT.
WE WENT FROM TWO SPACES TO ONE SPACE ALL OF A SUDDEN.
NOW WE'RE BACK TO TWO SPACES AFTER A PERIOD.
OH, GOSH. HOW MANY PAGES DO WE HAVE TO GO?
>> NOW HOLD ON. HAVE WE BEEN CAPITALIZING CITY COUNCIL?
>> CITY COUNCIL LOWER CASE UP HERE.
>> THERE'S CITY COUNCIL LOWER CASE?
>> I THOUGHT I SAW CITY COUNCIL WAS LOWER CASE.
>> THERE'S CAPITALIZED, UNCAPITALIZED, UNCAPITALIZED, THE CAPITALIZED.
>> NO. WE THOUGHT WE WERE PAST 17.
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>> THAT'S ON PAGE 24. BUT WE'VE GOT 57 PAGES OF THIS.
>> IT SAYS WE DO RIGHT IN THE CORNER HERE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] ONE IS JUST HERE.
IT SAYS THE PARKER OLD FIRE STATION/POLICE STATION.
>> YEAH. PUBLIC WORKS POSITION WHO HAS A OFFICE AT CITY HALL INCLUDE THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
>> DO WE NEED OLD IN BOTH PLACES?
>> WELL, THE OTHER DEFINES THE ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS SO THAT JUSTIFIES.
>> PARKER'S OLD FIRE STATION, OLD POLICE STATION.
>> I THINK IT JUST NEEDS DOWN HERE.
>> NO, IT NEEDS AT BOTH PLACES BECAUSE IT WAS THE OLD FIRE STATION, AND THEN IT BECAME THE OLD POLICE STATION.
>> A DIFFERENT AND OLD. DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF OLD.
>> WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN A NEW POLICE STATION.
>> THE SENTENCE IS SAYING THAT THE STAFF THROUGH HAVE MOVED INTO SOMETHING THAT'S CALLED PARKERS OLD FIRE STATION/OLD POLICE STATION.
IS THAT WHAT THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN? ONE BUILDING.
>> IT'S BEEN A FIRE STATION AND IT'S BEEN A POLICE STATION.
>> IT'S THE SAME BUILDING REFERENCED TWO WAYS IS WHAT IT IS AS THE OLD FIRE STATION OR THE OLD POLICE STATION.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT IT.
>> THERE'LL BE OTHER EYES EDITING THIS.
>> REAL QUICKLY HERE, JUST TO SEE WHERE WE ARE.
WE'RE ON PAGE 24 AND THEN IF WE GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM HERE, WE'RE DOWN TO PAGE 54.
>> MOST OF THOSE [INAUDIBLE]. KEEP GOING.
>> CHAPTER 8, WE'RE ON PAGE 25.
>> SHOULD THERE BE A SPACE UP THERE?
>> THERE'S ACTUALLY A SPACE RIGHT THERE.
>> NO. NOT A PERIOD. ALMOST ENTIRE [INAUDIBLE] GOES IN THERE, WEST, EAST [INAUDIBLE].
I THINK I'M BEHIND ON THIS OTHER ONE.
THIS WAS THE ONE THAT HAS LOTS OF SPACES HERE THAT ARE MISSING.
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>> [INAUDIBLE] INSTALLED, RIGHT HERE?
>> ARE YOU SAYING IT'S NOT CLEAR "THEY" IS TEXTILE?
>> TEXTILE THEN STOCK, SIDEWALK [INAUDIBLE]
>> OKAY. I UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER. ANYONE ELSE?
YOU NEVER MADE "THEY" RED, DID YOU?
>> BECAUSE I ACCIDENTALLY HIT SOMETHING.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW I DID THAT, SO WE CAN UNDO THAT.
>> IS IT FREE SPACES [INAUDIBLE]
>> NO. THAT'S A HYPHEN SEPARATION.
I DON'T KNOW, SHOULD IT EVEN BE THERE? THE AREA PROVIDES SPACE FOR FUNCTIONS SUCH AS PARKERFEST. PERIOD.
YOU COULD ALMOST DO A SEMICOLON THOUGH.
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>> BECAUSE IT'S A COMPLETELY SEPARATE SENTENCE, PRETTY MUCH.
PARKER'S ANNUAL FALL FESTIVAL WHICH ATTRACTS 500 PLUS RESIDENTS, FAMILIES, ENJOYING MUSIC, GAMES, FOOD, AND CHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES.
I COULD ARGUE THAT YOU WOULD REPLACE ALL THAT WITH A SEMICOLON, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
SEE CHAPTER 11, OR CHAPTER 9, 1964.
WE HAVE THE SPACE PROBLEM THERE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A FIND AND REPLACE ON "THE CITY".
>> I WOULD SAY THAT'S LOWER CASE BECAUSE IT'S NOT "THE CITY".
IS THAT HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN? THAT'S WHAT IT WANTS TO DO.
>> THE THING IS THERE'S A HYPHEN RIGHT THERE.
>> I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS A HYPHEN. YEAH.
>> I'M NOT SHARING THIS CORRECTLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT SHOWING EVERYTHING THAT I'M DOING.
BUT IF I LOOK AT THE SUGGESTION ON THAT, IT SUGGESTS ONE MILLION GALLON TO BE HYPHEN HYPHEN.
I COULD JUST BE FINE WITH THAT TOO, A ONE MILLION GALLON WATER TOWER.
ONE MILLION GALLON IS ONE SINGLE MODIFIER, SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT YOU CAN ALSO JUST SAY A ONE MILLION GALLON WATER TOWER AND YOU GET ALL THE MODIFICATION ALREADY, SO THAT'S FINE.
TAKE YOUR PAY, GROUND STORAGE.
>> THERE'S A SIX MILLION DOLLAR BOND.
THIS GOES SIX HYPHEN MILLION HYPHEN DOLLAR.
WATER SYSTEM EXPANSION, WASTEWATER SYSTEM.
PARKER LAKES AND KING'S CROSSING.
THE DEVELOPER PAID FOR ACCESS TO THE NORTH TEXAS WATER DISTRICT'S SEPTIC SYSTEM WITH LINES ALONG [INAUDIBLE] WATER METERS.
WE EVEN DISCUSSED THE SUPPLY OF WATER METERS LAST TIME.
WE'RE DOWN TO PAGE 31 WHERE WE FIXED MAINTENANCE.
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YOU WOULD PROBABLY SAY THE CITIES RIGHT HERE, RIGHT?>> I'M SORRY, I WAS LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE.
HANG ON, I GOT TO GO FIX THAT OVER HERE.
[BACKGROUND] WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE THAT WE DID? THE OBJECTIVE. RIGHT THERE.
>> GO BACK UP, RUSSELL, TO THE FIRST [INAUDIBLE]
>> THERE'S SOMETHING HAPPENING. NEVER MIND.
>> SUCH THING AS AESTHETICA PLACE.
>> IT STARTED BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
>> THAT'S QUITE A NAME THOUGH.
>> IS THIS FORMULA RIGHT? HANG ON A SECOND. LET ME LOOK.
>> ESPECIALLY NOW WHEN THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT SPACE.
>> HERE WE GO. SOMETHING LIKE THIS ACTUALLY IS THE REAL ISSUE HERE.
THESE ARE ALL RIGHT FORMATTED.
THAT 1 WAS NOT RIGHT FORMATTED.
HERE WE GO, JUST MORE TABLE DATA.
I DON'T LIKE THIS SPACE HERE BEFORE BETSY.
LET ME MAKE SURE THAT'S ON PAGE 33, THAT WE DON'T HAVE A BETSY ROAD.
WE HAVE ESTABROOK DRIVE HERE? NO ESTABROOK DRIVE.
WE'RE MISSING ESTABROOK DRIVE.
[LAUGHTER] I WAS JUST LOOKING IN THE EAST.
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>> DIDN'T GREGOR Y LANE CHANGE?
>> HOW DO YOU SPELL GRAY LANE? G-R-E-Y, G-R-A-Y, OR GARY?
>> I HONESTLY THINK IT'S G-R-A-Y.
>> I'VE SEEN ALL THREE NOW: GARY, GREY, AND GRAY, AND ALL TONIGHT IN ONE PLAN.
>> THERE'S A PERIOD MISSING AFTER LANE.
>> YES, THERE'S ALWAYS THE QUESTION, IS THERE REALLY A PERIOD OR NOT? CONSISTENCY SAYS YES.
>> WHY ARE WE SPELLING OUT LANE IN SOME PLACES [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE SHOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT, I DON'T THINK.
>> JERRY, DIDN'T THEY CHANGE GREGOR Y LANE FROM THE BRIDGE TO THE END GOING WEST?
WE SPLIT THAT UP [OVERLAPPING] CHECK IT FROM PARKER TO THE BRIDGE, AND THEN THE BRIDGE TO THE END.
>> THIS IS ALL COPY AND PASTE STUFF HERE, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS IMPORTANT.
>> WE DID A LITTLE CLEANUP ON HERE SO IT'S CORRECT, ACCORDING TO OUR PUBLICS WORK DIRECTOR.
>> THERE'S TWO SPACES AFTER LANE BEFORE THE CORNER.
>> HOLD ON, WHERE IN THE CORNER? CURTIS OLANO. RIGHT THERE.
>> YOU NEED LONGER ARMS. YOU CAN JUST SIT IN YOUR CHAIR AND DO THAT.
>> EXACTLY. I PROBABLY HAVE ONE, BUT I'M NOT GIVING IT TO YOU.
>> IS WIND DREAM SPELLED CORRECTLY?
>> WHAT IS IT? IT'S WIND-DREAM.
>> AS WATER FLOWS, SO DO THE DAYS OF OUR LIVES.
>> I'M JUST LOOKING FOR MISSING SPACES.
CHAPTER 11, IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
DO YOU SEE THAT? THAT'S UGLY HERE, RIGHT THERE THERE'S A SPACE.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE ON THE MARKUP DOCUMENT, THERE IT IS.
THERE'S THE CITY WILL REVIEW PLAN ON AN ONGOING BASIS.
SEE SIX YEARS. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT?
WE GOT THAT. HERE WE GO. NOW WE'RE IN.
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>> GOOD THING WE GOT THAT CHANGE MADE.
WE GOT RID OF THE QUESTION MARK ON RESTROOMS. THAT WAS LIKE A RESTROOM QUESTION MARK.
WE JUST SAID WE WERE NOT GOING TO PUT THE QUESTION MARK THERE.
WE PROBABLY WANT A PERIOD AT THE END OF THAT.
>> GO BACK UP, RUSSELL. THE SECOND ONE SAYS SECONDARY WATER TOWER.
>> THE SECOND ONE SAYS SECONDARY WATER TOWER.
WHERE IT SAYS CONSTRUCT A SECONDARY, SHOULDN'T THAT JUST SAY SECOND?
>> I KNOW. IT'S THE OLD BULLET PRO QUESTION, ISN'T IT? IT'S A SECOND.
HE'S GOING TO DO THAT IN A SECOND.
THAT'S PRESSURE WITH THE PERIOD.
THESE BIG TOUCH PADS, NO MATTER WHAT I DO, MY THUMB HITS THEM ALL THE TIME, AND THEY JUMP AROUND, THINGS JUMP AROUND.
WE GOT THE CITY HALL POLICE SERVICES.
THE GOALS DON'T HAVE PERIODS, I'M NOT GOING TO ADD THE PERIODS.
HERE WE HAVE JUST BUDGET TABLES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THESE LITTLE SPACES ARE RIGHT HERE.
IT'S WEIRD BUT IF IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO [OVERLAPPING].
WELL, YEAH, THAT'S NOT HOW YOU SET HER.
THAT'S HOW YOU SET HER A PROPORTIONAL [LAUGHTER].
>> IS THERE SOMETHING YOU NEED THERE?
[INAUDIBLE] NO, SORRY, GO BACK DOWN.
>> CITY HALL AND POLICE FACILITIES?
>> PLURAL POSSESSIVE, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
>> I DIDN'T NEED IT. YOU'RE RIGHT.
LET'S NOT GET TOO WORRIED ABOUT THESE RIGHT HERE.
BUDGET, I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT.
WHY DO WE HAVE A BUNCH OF SPACES HERE? IT'S ON PAGE 50.
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>> ARE WE SUPPOSED TO [INAUDIBLE] THERE?
>> I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT'S GOING ON IN HERE. WELL, LET'S SEE.
>> ARE WE WAITING ON THEM TO FINALIZE THAT BEFORE WE CAN FINALIZE OURS?
>> FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, ONCE IT LEAVES HERE, I GUESS YOU GUYS HAVE A COUPLE OF HEARING ON THIS AND THEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL AND THEN THEY GET TO MAKE ALL ERRORS.
>> WE'LL BE DOING THIS TILL 2025.
[LAUGHTER] SHOULD WE LEAVE THEM SOMETHING TO DO?
WE'RE HERE. PARDON, PAST MY BEDTIME.
>> OVER THERE IN THE CORNER, SAYS PAGE 3,457.
[LAUGHTER] WHY DOES IT SAY THAT? WHAT THE HECK? WELL, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THIS SAYS PAGE 54. NO, I DON'T KNOW. THAT IS WEIRD.
THEY KEEP MAKING CHANGES TO WORD FOR THE WORSE FOR WHAT I CAN TELL.
MISS CINDY, IF YOU COME HERE, I'LL GIVE YOU A NEW COPY OF STUFF.
I CAN. I SPEAK MORSE CODE. I STILL KNOW IT.
>> I DON'T REMEMBER. I HAD A LICENSE.
>> DID YOU HAVE AN AMATEUR RADIO LICENSE, REALLY? YOU MUST HAVE HAD TECHNICIAN LICENSE. FIVE WORDS PER MINUTE?
>> BECAUSE YOU HAD FIVE WORDS A MINUTE.
>> DO WE NEED TO CLOSE ON THIS?
>> I HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN A LONG TIME, BUT YEAH, I USED TO BE.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS THESE CHANGES WE MADE, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM TO MISS CINDY AND SHE'S GOING TO PUSH THE BUTTON TO INCORPORATE THEM.
THEN THE NEXT TIME WE GET TOGETHER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.
>> THE VERSION WE'RE PUTTING UP TO THE PUBLIC WILL BE THIS ONE.
>> YES. THIS ONE WITH THE CHANGES WILL BE THE ONE THAT'S OUT THERE PUBLISHED FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
TONIGHT, REALLY, ALL WE GOT TO DO IS SET THE NEXT MEETING, I THINK, FOR WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT CINDY INCORPORATE THE CHANGES.
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>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVEN NEED THAT THOUGH, BUT I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK THAT THE MAIN THING IS WE NEED TO GET THEM.
>> THEN I DON'T HAVE TO WRITE IT DOWN.
>> MISS CINDY? [INAUDIBLE] YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
WE'RE ADJOURNING AT 20:28.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.