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>> I HEREBY CALL THE PARKER CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEMBER MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 19,
[CALL TO ORDER]
2023, TO ORDER.AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK MR. OLSEN, DO WE HAVE A SUPER QUORUM?
>> YES, MADAM MAYOR, YOU HAVE A SUPER QUORUM.
>> THANK YOU. I WILL NOTE FOR THE RECORD, RANDY KIRK JOE IS HERE, TERRY LYNCH IS HERE, JIM REED IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY, I BELIEVE, AT THIS TIME.
AMY STANFILL, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, IS HERE.
I'M HERE. LEAVE THAT'LL LOOK AWESOME.
AMANDA, NO, CITY COUNCIL IS HERE, AND CITY COUNCIL IS HERE.
WE ARE BEING CAREFULLY GUARDED TO DIE BY SARGENT VERDICT OF PARKER POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND PATTY SCOTT GRAY IS ALSO HERE TAKING NOTES FOR US.
LATER ON, MAYBE SOME OTHER PEOPLE THAT WILL JOIN US.
IF SO, I WILL TRY TO REMEMBER TO INTRODUCE THEM AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
YOU'LL KNOW WHO WE'RE TALKING TO RATHER THAN JUST THINKING WE'RE TALKING OUT TO [INAUDIBLE].
[EXECUTIVE SESSION START TO FINISH]
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL RECESS TO CLOSE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED IN.GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.074 PERSONNEL TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT, DUTIES, DISCIPLINE, OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE.
GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.0711, CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY CONCERNING PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION.
GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.0712, CONSULTATION WITH AN ATTORNEY ON A MATTER IN WHICH THE DUTY OF THE ATTORNEY TO THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY UNDER THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT OF THE STATE BAR OF TEXAS CLEARLY CONFLICTS WITH THIS CHAPTER, OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
AT THIS TIME, WE ARE IN RECESS.
AT THIS TIME, I AM RECONVENING OUR REGULAR MEETING.
COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY SUBJECT TO BE DISCUSSED OR DELIBERATED FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION?
>> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL DO THE PLEDGES.
I WILL ASK BUDDY PILGRIM IF HE WILL DO THE AMERICAN PLEDGE AND FRANK DE ACOSTA, IF YOU WILL DO THE TEXAS PLEDGE.
>> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
FIRST ONE IS FROM, IS IT KAPPA SURESH? PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.>> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS SURESH KAPPA AND MY ADDRESS IS 4609 BRYCE DRIVE.
BUT ON BEHALF OF MY COUSIN WHO BOUGHT A LAND OF TRON DATA CARDS, 6804 EAST PARKER.
HE'S SEEKING FOR THE PERMISSIONS TO BUILD THE HOMES AND FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
SINCE IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS,SO WE WANT TO KNOW THE STATUS LIKE AN OPEN WE CAN EXPECT THE PERMISSIONS.
>> WE WILL GET OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS WITH YOU ON THIS.
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>> MY NAME IS BUDDY PILGRIM. I LIVE AT 3106 BLUFFS LANE AND I WANT TO SPEAK TO YOU ON THE SAME TWO TOPICS THAT I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT LAST TIME I CAME, BUT I PROMISE I WON'T KEEP SHOWING UP ON THE SAME TO ALL THE TIME.
ONE IS THE FIRE TRUCK. I UNDERSTAND YOU STILL IN THE PROCESS OF CONSIDERING WHAT TO DO ABOUT A FIRE TRUCK.
I WANT TO BRIEFLY GIVE YOU MY OWN EXPERIENCE.
I USED TO RUN PILGRIM'S PRIDE CORPORATION, BUT I'VE RUN AS A TURNAROUND CEO, A NUMBER OF OTHER LARGE BUSINESSES AND SOME OF THOSE COMPANIES LIKE PILGRIM'S, WE OWN FLEET OF OVER 1,000 HEAVY-DUTY OVER THE ROAD TRUCKS.
HISTORICALLY AT PILGRIMS, WE HAD A PHILOSOPHY THAT I CALLED BUBBLE GUM AND BAILING WIRE.
WE RAN TRUCKS NOT LITERALLY UNTIL THE WHEELS FELL OFF, BUT FIGURATIVELY WE WOULD RUN THEM ABOUT THAT LONG.
I LEFT PILGRIMS IN THE EARLY '90S AND WENT TO NORTHWEST ARKANSAS AND CONSULTED FOR SOME MAJOR COMPANIES UP THERE AND HAD A LOT OF EXPOSURE TO WALMART AND TO JB HUNT.
JB HUNT IS THE LARGEST TRUCKING COMPANY IN THE UNITED STATES AT THE TIME.
WHAT I LEARNED FROM WATCHING BOTH OF THOSE TWO ORGANIZATIONS CLOSE-UP IS THAT THEY HAD MUCH LOWER COSTS OF OPERATING THEIR VEHICLES, BOTH IN TERMS OF PURE OPERATING AND OWNERSHIP COSTS AND IN TERMS OF LOWER DOWNTIME, WHICH IS MORE EFFICIENCY FOR THE USE OF THE VEHICLE BY RUNNING NEW EQUIPMENT RATHER THAN OLD EQUIPMENT.
WHEN I WENT BACK TO PILGRIM'S AFTER THAT, I COMPLETELY CHANGED OUR PHILOSOPHY NOT ONLY ON TRUCKS, BUT ON EQUIPMENT THAT WE BOUGHT IN OUR PLANTS AND WE GOT AWAY FROM USING IT AS FAR AS WE COULD USE IT AND WENT TO A PHILOSOPHY OF KEEPING MORE CURRENT EQUIPMENT.
NOT ONLY BECAUSE YOU GET BETTER FUEL MILEAGE AND THOSE THINGS, BUT IT IS A LOWER COST OF OPERATION, AND I FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT.
I AGREE WITH TODD'S INTEREST IN MAKING SURE WE SPEND THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY VERY WISELY.
I REALLY THINK YOU'LL HAVE A LOWER COST OF OPERATION FROM NEWER TRUCKS RATHER THAN OLDER ONES.
IN MY OWN EXPERIENCE, AND WE DID ACTUALLY OWN SOME FIRE TRUCKS TOO.
BUT THE ONLY THING WE EVER BOUGHT AFTER I CHANGED OUR PHILOSOPHY USED WAS LOCOMOTIVES.
WE USE LOCOMOTIVES TO PULL TRAIN CARS AROUND THE FEED MILL, BUT WE DON'T GO LONG DISTANCES WITH THEM.
OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET MUCH LOWER COST OF OPERATION AND BETTER UPTIME, LESS DOWNTIME FROM NEW TRUCKS AND NEW FIRE TRUCKS AND EQUIPMENT.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO BUY A GOOD USED FIRE TRUCK LIKE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO BUY A GOOD USED POLICE CAR.
THERE'S A REASON THOSE CITIES GET RID OF THEM, SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS PROPERTY TAX.
I KNOW YOU'RE IN CONSIDERATION OF TAXES AND I WANT TO MENTION THIS THAT I MENTIONED LAST TIME.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS PARKER ONLY PROVIDES A $50,000 EXEMPTION FOR OVER 65 HOMEOWNERS ON THEIR PROPERTY TAX VALUATION.
SO $50,000 EXEMPTION, RATHER THAN RECOGNIZING THE FULL CAP, THE STATE OF TEXAS DOES ALLOW CITIES TO RECOGNIZE THE CAP THAT CAN BE IMPOSED IF YOU APPLY FOR AN OVER 65 PROPERTY.
BASICALLY, IF YOU BUY A NEW PROPERTY, LIKE WE DID, IT GETS RAISED TO THE MARKET VALUE AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND THEN IT'S CAPPED AT THAT LEVEL AS LONG AS YOU OWN THE PROPERTY.
TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE LIKE ME AND OTHERS TO COME HERE AND RETIRE IN THE CITY OF PARKER IT'D BE WONDERFUL IF AFTER I PASS MY EARNING YEARS THAT MY PROPERTY TAXES DON'T GO UP SO MUCH EVERY YEAR.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO RECOGNIZE THE FULL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION FOR OVER 65, NOT JUST THE $50,000. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, BUDDY. NEXT, WE WILL GO TO ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.
[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]
ONE, I LOVE THE PEANUT BUTTER DRIVE IS GOING ON AND WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE DONATE PEANUT BUTTER JELLY GIFT CARDS.THERE IS A BOX RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DOOR THERE.
THIS IS FOR THE NORTH TEXAS FOOD BANK.
WE ARE IN COMPETITION WITH THE OTHER CITIES OF PARKER, THE OTHER CITIES IN COLLIN COUNTY.
WE HAVE TO WORK HARDER BECAUSE WE'RE SMALLER.
PLEASE IF YOU CAN PLEASE DONATE TO THAT.
NEXT THING IS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, WHICH WILL BE OCTOBER 3RD FROM 6:00-9:00 PM.
IF YOUR AREA OR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE FIRE TRUCKS OR POLICE OFFICERS OR ELECTED OFFICIALS COME BACK, PLEASE FILL OUT AN APPLICATION, SEND IT IN TO MICHELLE, HER ADDRESS IS ON HERE, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO COME OUT AND CELEBRATE WITH YOU.
IT'S ALWAYS FUN. IT'S A GOOD TIME.
NEXT, WE HAVE PARKER AND RECREATIONS COMMISSION.
THEY HAVE A MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 11TH AT 5:00 PM RIGHT HERE IN THIS BUILDING.
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THEN WE HAVE, THIS IS TENTATIVE.THE WATER IMPACT, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED TO MEET ON OCTOBER 19TH AT 7:00 PM WHICH WOULD BE IN HERE.
THIS HAS TO DO WITH WATER IMPACT FEES, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY AFFECT BUILDERS AND THE WELL-BEING.
NEXT IS THE NATIONAL PRESCRIPTION DRUG TAKE BACK EVENT, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR SATURDAY, OCTOBER 28TH FROM 10.00-2.00.
YOU CAN DRIVE BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THERE WILL BE AN OFFICER OUT THERE WHO WILL BE HAPPY TO ACCEPT YOUR EXPIRED OR UNUSED DRUGS.
ARE YOU-ALL GOING TO HAVE THE SHARP DEAL TO DO YOU KNOW?
>> YOU DROP OFF YOUR STUFF AND THEY TAKE IT FROM THERE.
IT'S VERY EASY FOR ANY RESIDENT TO DO THAT.
THEN ON SUNDAY, OCTOBER 29TH, FROM 03:00 TO 06:00 P.M. IS PARKER FAST, WHICH IS A FESTIVAL, THE CITY, THE COMMUNITY REALLY ENJOYS PARTICIPATING IN AND WE HOPE TO SEE EVERYBODY THERE.
LASTLY, WE HAVE A REMINDER THAT NOVEMBER 7TH IS ELECTION DAY ON A LOT OF CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS.
PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF ON THE AMENDMENTS AND VOTE.
PARKER WILL BE VOTING SITES, SO WE WILL BE OPEN FOR THAT.
NEXT, WE'LL GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA,
[CONSENT AGENDA]
AND I WILL ASK BEFORE I READ ALL THE ISSUES [LAUGHTER] HERE, DOES ANYONE NEED ANYTHING PULLED OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA?>> MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT ITEMS 4, 5, AND 6 BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION.
>> IT'S DONE. [LAUGHTER] BUT THAT'S FINE.
I'M GOING TO REMOVE ITEM 12 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I'M GOING TO REREAD THE ITEMS THAT ARE REMAINING ON THE CONSENT [LAUGHTER] AGENDA. LET'S SEE.
APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR AUGUST 15.
MEETING MINUTES FOR AUGUST 15TH.
THAT'S THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES FOR AUGUST 22, WHICH IS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WORKSHOP, 4, 5, AND 6 THEN GO TO NUMBER 7, CONSIDERATION AND ANY ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-756, DESIGNATING THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS AS THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER FOR THE CITY OF PARKER FOR THE FISCAL YEAR OF 2023 THROUGH 2025.
EIGHT, CONSIDERATION IN ANY INAPPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-757, APPROVING AN AMENDED WILDLY GEL SERVICE AND LOCAL AGREEMENT.
NINE, CONSIDERATION AND OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-751, CORRECTING THE TERM OF OFFICE TO REFLECT THE APPOINTMENT TO PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE FROM 2024-2023.
WE HAD A TYPO ON THE RESOLUTION AND WE JUST NEED TO CORRECT IT.
NUMBER 10, CONSIDERATION AND OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-759, APPROVING AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF PARKER AND COLLIN COUNTY FOR CHILD ABUSE INVESTIGATION SERVICES AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
ITEM NUMBER 11, CONSIDERATION AND OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-760.
APPROVING A NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT BETWEEN THE ATOMICITY STEERING COMMITTEE, WHICH THE CITY OF PARKER IS A MEMBER, AND ATMOS ENERGY CORPORATION MID TAX DIVISION REGARDING THE COMPANIES
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2023 RATE REVIEW MECHANISM FOULING AND ADOPTING TARIFFS TO REFLECT RIGHT ADJUSTMENTS.>> MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS JUST NOTED.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I SECOND THE MOTION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9, 10, AND 11 IS THAT CORRECT? ANY DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? IF NOT, I WILL TALK WITH YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THOSE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES 4-0.
NOW, WE WILL GO BACK AND DEAL WITH MS. LYNCH AND WANTED TO DO THE THREE OF THEM TOGETHER OR SEPARATELY?
>> I THINK WE CAN DO THEM TOGETHER.
MY REASON FOR PULLING THEM, AS YOU SEE, THOSE ARE A NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT WE'RE CANCELING.
THERE'S REASONS TO NEED TO MOVE THOSE DATES.
HOWEVER, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE RESCHEDULE GENERAL MEETINGS DURING THESE TIMES SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE APPROPRIATE MEETINGS AS NEEDED.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN COMMITTEE IS IN NEED OF A OF A MEETING AND DURING A REGULAR MEETING TIME WOULD BE MOST ACCOMMODATING.
>> THE ITEM IS CONSIDERATION ANY ACTION ON CANCELING OCTOBER 3RD REGULAR MEETING FOR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.
>> I CAN TAKE THEM INDIVIDUALLY AND SAY SO FOR OCTOBER 3RD I DON'T APPROVE THIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO INSTEAD OF CANCELING THE OCTOBER 3, IS TO RESCHEDULE OCTOBER 3 TO ANOTHER DATE.
>> CAN WE SPECIFICALLY STATE THE DATE?
>> IF WE LOOK AT ITEM 6, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT RESCHEDULING THE NOVEMBER JUST TO SHOW YOU HOW IT'S WORDED.
WE RESCHEDULE IT THAT WAY IN A SEPARATE ISSUE.
WHAT I HEAR YOU'RE ASKING FOR, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT YOU WANT THAT THE OCTOBER 3RD MEETING WILL BE CANCELED, BUT ANOTHER MEETING WILL BE CALLED IN ITS PLACE?
>> DID YOU HAVE A DATE IN MIND?
>> DID YOU HAVE A DATE IN MIND OR IS IT JUST IN A FUTURE DATE IS MY QUESTION.
>> I THINK WE NEED A SPECIFIC DATE.
I'M WONDERING OCTOBER 2 OR THE 4TH, THAT MONDAY OR WEDNESDAY.
>> CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO MODIFY THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM AS WRITTEN TO READ INSTEAD OF CANCELING OCTOBER 3RD, TO INSTEAD READ TO RESCHEDULED OCTOBER 3RD MEETING TO TAKE PLACE ON OCTOBER 2ND?
>> THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR NUMBER 6. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I HAVE A QUESTION TO THAT, ON OCTOBER 2.
>> WE CAN KEEP THE SAME DAY BUT WE CAN GIVE SOMEONE ELSE.
>> YOU MAY CHECK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
>> WELL, AT THIS POINT, IF WE MOVE THE MEETING TO OCTOBER 2ND, HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL COMMIT RIGHT NOW, THAT THEY WILL BE HERE?
>> MR. MACHADO, WILL YOU BE AVAILABLE?
>> I'M SORRY. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF MR. MACHADO WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON THAT DATE, ESPECIALLY, I KNOW THAT AGENDA IS NOT SET, BUT IF WE'RE CONSIDERING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, COMMITTEE DISCUSSIONS.
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>> WELL, THE NEXT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN DISCUSSION WORKSHOP SHOULD BE THE SECOND TUESDAY OF OCTOBER BECAUSE THAT'S OUR WORKSHOP NIGHT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, BEEN DOING THAT FOR A LONG TIME NOW.
>> I WOULD SUGGEST, AND THAT IT'S NOT BEEN VOTED ON BY THE COUNCIL.
>> I DON'T RECALL A VOTE, AND THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING IT ON THAT DATE IS IT CREATES THE NEED FOR A SUPER QUORUM AND IT APPEARS WE HERE HAVE A FULL, YEAH WE HAVE A SUPER QUORUM AVAILABLE, BUT WE NEED A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY.
WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE IMPORTANT JOBS THAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY FOR THEM.
>> ABOUT THAT, LET'S SEE THIS, WE'RE IN SEPTEMBER.
I BELIEVE I COULD BE WRONG, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE, BUT IN MAY OR JUNE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE WERE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING MEETINGS TOGETHER, GETTING PEOPLE TO GATHER, AND WE DISCUSSED THEM AS A COUNCIL.
WE DISCUSSED USING THE SECOND TUESDAY OF THE MONTH BECAUSE THAT WAS OPEN TUESDAY AND EVERYBODY AGREED THAT WE WOULD DO THAT AND THAT WOULD BE OUR WORKSHOP.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS HOW IT WAS DONE IN THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL.
BUT SINCE THE NEW COUNCIL IS HERE.
>> SORRY, MADAM MAYOR, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE HAD STANDING MEETINGS ON THE OPPOSITE TUESDAY FOR OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT MEETINGS TO DATE.
WE WERE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING PEOPLE TOGETHER FOR ANY OF THE WORKSHOPS BE IT CAPITAL PLAN, BE IT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, WHATEVER.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS A COUNCIL.
THIS, AFTER THE ELECTION AND SAID, "OKAY, WE HAD THE FIRST AND THIRD COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR COUNCIL.
LET'S USE THE SECOND ONE FOR WORKSHOP, NOT SPECIFICALLY, WHICH WERE JUST AS WORKSHOP NIGHT." AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING VERY WELL ON THEM SINCE.
>> I WOULD DISAGREE TO SAY THAT IT HAS BEEN WORKING VERY WELL, AND I ALSO DON'T BELIEVE THAT, I BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT YOU WANTED TO TRY DOING THOSE MEETINGS ON THE OPPOSITE TUESDAYS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS THERE WAS A COUNCIL CONSENSUS THAT THIS IS THE PROCESS OF OUR MEETINGS.
>> I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH ON THAT RECOUNT OF THE DISCUSSION.
IN THAT CASE, WITH RESPECT TO THE THREE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, WE WOULD LIKE TO MODIFY THEM FROM BEING CANCELED TO PROPOSING A NEW ALTERNATIVE RESCHEDULED DATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CORRECT MODIFICATION OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS TO SAY AS FOLLOWS.
FOR CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER.
>> FOUR. I WOULD LIKE TO RESTATE HOW THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM 4 READS TO SAY INSTEAD OF TAKING APPROPRIATE ACTION ON CANCELING THE OCTOBER 3RD REGULAR MEETING, TO INSTEAD SAY TAKE AN APPROPRIATE ACTION TO RESCHEDULE THE OCTOBER 3RD MEETING TO OCTOBER 2ND OF 2023, AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
>> IF I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, TERRY, YOU'VE GOT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO ON YOUR MOTION OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO WITH AMANDA'S MOTION?
>> LET'S GO WITH AMANDA'S MOTION, PLEASE.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. IS THIS FOR CIP ONLY, OR IS THIS FOR OUR COUNCIL MEETING? I'M SORRY.
>> EVERY COUNCIL, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A CLARIFICATION HERE.
>> IT WOULD BE A REGULAR MEETING, HOWEVER, COUNSEL WORKSHOP COULD OCCUR DURING THAT TIME.
>> THE MOTION IS THAT THE OCTOBER 3RD MEETING BE MOVED TO OCTOBER 2ND AT FIVE P.M.,
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AND IT WOULD BE A CITY COUNCIL MEETING.>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR IS EVERYBODY TOTALLY CONFUSED NOW? [LAUGHTER]
>> THEN AT THIS TIME, I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CHANGE THE CONTENTS FOR ITEM 5 TO INSTEAD READ CONSIDERATION AND OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON CANCELING THE NOVEMBER 7TH, 2023 REGULAR MEETING DUE TO ELECTION DAY, TO INSTEAD READ CONSIDERATION AND OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION TO RESCHEDULE THE NOVEMBER 7TH REGULAR MEETING TO OCTOBER 4TH, 2023.
>> WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT AGENDAS TO COVER, BOTH CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS, AS WELL AS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT MEETING AGENDA ITEMS, AND SO THE AGENDAS FOR THOSE MEETINGS CAN BE COVERED WITH ALL THE AGENDA'S ITEMS THAT WE SHOW IN TERMS OF TOPICS THAT WE WANT TO DISCOVER, WHICH IS THE LAST ITEM FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
THERE'S A LONG LIST OF ITEMS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON AND GET DONE IN ADVANCE WITHIN COUNSEL, AND SO I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE PLENTY OF AGENDA TOPICS TO FILL WITH THOSE TWO MEETINGS IN OCTOBER.
>> YOU WANT TO HAVE A MEETING ON OCTOBER 2ND AND ON OCTOBER 4TH?
>> I DON'T BELIEVE STAFF WILL HAVE TIME TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, JUST TO BE SMOOTH HONEST WITH YOU BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO, INCLUDING THE PACKETS IN THE RESEARCH FOR THE OT, THAT'S OFTEN REALLY QUICK.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT THAT'S OFTEN QUICK.
>> WELL, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT'S ON THE AGENDAS.
I GUESS THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING.
>> YEAH. BASICALLY, YOU PUT TWO AGENDAS TOGETHER AT ONCE AND KICK THEM OUT, WHERE AM I MISSING SOMETHING.
>> CORRECT, BUT HOW MUCH INFORMATION IS NEEDED AND ALL THAT.
IF IT'S FOR JUST DOING ONE MEETING WITH CIP, WE PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHAT THE CIP STUFF IS, AND IF IT'S JUST A COUNCIL MEETING, WE CAN DO THAT STUFF TOGETHER TOO, IF IT'S JUST A WORKSHOP.
>> LET ME MAYOR PEDAL, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU AND PRESENT THIS.
YEAH, DO WE THINK THAT HAVING THE OCTOBER 2ND MEETING, WE COULD DO MORE THAN JUST THE CIP DO HAVE A FULL REGULAR MEETING WITH POSSIBLY A WORKSHOP AS WELL? WOULD THAT BE MORE ACCOMMODATING TO STAFF TO ACCOMPLISH THINGS? THEN IN NOVEMBER, WE'RE CANCELING THE NOVEMBER 7TH, BUT WE'RE MOVING UP.
>> THE THE NOVEMBER MEETING TO THE 14TH.
ALL OF THESE MEETINGS WILL BE VERY, VERY JAM-PACKED. [LAUGHTER]
>> WELL, WE'VE ALREADY GOT A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 17TH, SO THAT'S ON THERE.
THAT WOULD BE OCTOBER 2ND, OCTOBER 4TH, AND OCTOBER 17, THEN THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE NOVEMBER 14TH UNLESS THE SPECIAL ONE WAS CALLED.
>> YOU ALL ARE THE ONES THAT KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ACCOMPLISHED.
OUR GOAL IS TRYING TO GET THINGS DONE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE ROADBLOCK.
WE WANT TO HELP YOU ALL ACCOMPLISH YOUR TASK.
WE WANT TO HELP YOU ALL MOVE THINGS ALONG, WE DON'T WANT YOU ALL.
IF YOU THINK THAT IF WE HAVE OCTOBER THE SECOND OCTOBER THE [OVERLAPPING] 17TH, AND THEN NOVEMBER THE 14TH.
WE'D STILL BE ELIMINATING ONE MEETING IN NOVEMBER, BUT WOULD THAT GIVE US THE SUFFICIENT TIME TO GET THINGS IN ORDER?
>> MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WE GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE OCTOBER 2ND MEETING.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE 17TH SCHEDULED.
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LET'S SEE, AFTER THE OCTOBER 2ND MEETING, SEE WERE WE ARE DO WE NEED ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING, DO WE NEED A WORKSHOP? YEAH. WHAT IS IT THAT WE NEED, AND THEN WE SCHEDULE IT.WHAT WE NEED MORE THAN ANYTHING IS A COMMITMENT FROM COUNCIL TO BE PRESENT.
I'M TIRED OF HAVING TO CANCEL MEETINGS BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T HERE.
I UNDERSTAND LIFE HAPPENS, BUT IT HOLDS UP.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE TWO PAGES WORTH OF AGENDA ITEMS ON PAGE 381 AND 382 OF TODAY'S PACKET.
[OVERLAPPING] I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE TWO PAGES WORTH OF FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH ON PAGE 381 AND 382 OF TODAY'S PACKET.
I FEEL LIKE WE ARE OFFERING TWO MEETINGS THAT I THINK WE CAN FILL WITH VERY GOOD CONTENT AND CONVERSATION AND GETTING WORK DONE WITH COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 2ND AND OCTOBER 4TH.
SINCE WE HAD THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT MEETING CANCELED, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT WORK DONE.
THAT'S ALREADY QUEUED UP AND READY TO GO, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TWO MEETINGS ON THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 2ND.
>> PATTY, WOULD YOU GO GET ME THE PROPOSED AGENDAS FOR OCTOBER 17, NOVEMBER 4, WHATEVER IT IS, NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER 5, PLEASE.
>> THE ONES THAT SHOULD BE IN?
>> YES. WE'VE ALREADY HAVE THINGS SCHEDULED OUT AND I WANT TO SEE WHAT CAN BE MOVED AND WHAT CAN'T.
I DON'T OBJECT TO HAVING WORKSHOPS FOR CRP, COMP PLAN WANTS, IS IT A PLACE WHERE THEY FEEL THEY NEED TO MEET WITH CRP TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THERE'S OVERLAP THERE AND THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I WAS TRYING TO THINK BUT TRIED CRP, COMP PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON ENTERPRISE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A WORKSHOP, HER PRESENTATION.
>> MADAM MAYOR, WAS THERE A CONFLICT OR COMMITMENT ISSUE OR JUST MOVING THE SEVENTH TO THE 14TH AND THE 21ST TO THE 28?
>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
>> WELL, IF WE JUST MOVED THE NOVEMBER 7TH TO THE 14TH, THE 21ST TO THE 28TH, WAS THERE COMMITMENT ISSUE?
>> THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE 28TH BECAUSE WE WILL BE IN TCEQ HEARING ON THE MUD, ON NOVEMBER 28 THAT'S THE FIRST DAY AND THE WEEK BEFORE THAT WE WILL PROBABLY BE PRETTY BUSY GETTING READY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S READY TO GO FOR THAT HEARING.
NOW, THERE'S OTHER TIMES WHERE IF WE WANT TO MEET ON SOME OF THESE DATES, WE HAVE TO ASK MIKE IF HE WILL ALLOW US TO BORROW HIS FIRE STATION SO THAT WE HAVE A PLACE TO MEET BECAUSE THAT'S AN ISSUE.
>> WELL, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE LEAVE, YEAH, WE KEEP WITH THE SECOND AS YOU RECOMMENDED, MAYOR, THAT WE DO THE SECOND, DO THE 17TH [LAUGHTER] AND THEN AT THAT POINT, IDENTIFY IF WE NEED TO, CAN WE ADD A REGULAR MEETING IF WE DETERMINE A REGULAR MEETING IS NEEDED?
>> WE CAN ADD A WORKSHOP, WE CAN ADD A REGULAR MEETING.
THE ONLY THING I'M ASKING YOU, AND I'M HAPPY TO ADD WHATEVER AS LONG AS WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE HERE.
>> I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION FOR DOING THE SECOND AND THE FOURTH, AND I SAID I SECOND IT.
WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT AND WE GOT FOUR PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE ALL SAYING THEY CAN BE HERE ON THE SECOND AND BE HERE ON THE FOURTH VERSUS WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH IS SAYING THAT THIS SPECIAL MEETINGS WHEN YOU ALREADY GOT AIRPLANE TICKETS BOUGHT AND IT'S A SEVEN DAY NOTICE.
I THINK IT'D BE MUCH WISER TO JUST GET THIS KNOCKED OUT AND SERVE THE PEOPLE ON THE SECOND AND THE FOURTH.
>> IF IT CAN BE DONE, AGAIN, I HAVE SOME HESITATION BECAUSE THE STAFF TIME WITHOUT SAYING WHAT WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED PATTY TO GO GET THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE LIMITED STAFF AND FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO PUT THINGS TOGETHER
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DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS ON THE AGENDA AND HOW COMPLICATED IT MAY BE.BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T WANT YOU COMING UP HERE FOR A MEETING ONLY TO FIND OUT ABSORBERS, THERE'S NOTHING READY. [LAUGHTER]
>> YEAH, SO MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH MATERIAL TO COVER ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT WE CAN CONSUME A WHOLE ENTIRE MEETING ON JUST THAT SUBJECT.
>> I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH MATERIAL READY TO REVIEW ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT WE CAN CONSUME AN ENTIRE MEETING ON JUST THAT SUBJECT.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE TENTATIVE AGENDA THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
THE FIRST ONE IS [NOISE], THE SECOND ONE IS NOVEMBER 14TH, AND THE LAST ONE IS DIFFERENT AND WE'RE [NOISE] NOT GOING TO TEST THE PRODUCTS FOR THE YEAR.
[LAUGHTER] MOST OF THOSE THINGS, UNLESS THERE'S A LEGAL CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS THE NAMING ISSUE, CAN BE MOVED AROUND.
BUT THIS IS FOR COUNCIL, THIS IS NOT THE WORKSHOP CRP, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT OCTOBER SECOND IF THAT'S THE FIRST THING UP.
IS THAT WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO AND IS EVERYBODY GOING TO BE HERE?
>> I CAN'T HEAR YOU, I'M SORRY.
>> THAT'S OKAY. IF WE MADE CRP, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WHAT WOULD BE OCTOBER 2? LUPE AND GARY, IS MOST OF THE STUFF THAT IS NEEDED READY?
>> WE'RE WORKING WITH SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE STUFF.
>> THAT GIVES YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
>> OCTOBER 2ND WILL BE CRP AND I'M GOING TO BRING IN COMP PLAN, SO THOSE ISSUES.
>> DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO MAKE THAT RESCHEDULED TO A REGULAR MEETING BUT INCLUDE THE COLUMN OR THE CRP ON THAT DAY?
>> IT'S FINE IF THE SECOND IS ONLY US, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, JUST EVERYBODY ELSE THAT I THINK, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE FOR COUNCIL MEMBER, LYNCH?
>> BUT IT'S STILL A REGULAR MEETING?
>> YEAH. MOST OF OUR WORKSHOPS HAVE NOW MORPHED INTO REGULAR MEETINGS BECAUSE THAT'S OUR ESTEEMED COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE.
>> SADLY, THEY'VE ACTUALLY MORPHED INTO SPECIAL MEETINGS, SO THAT'S THE SUPER QUORUM, BUT I THINK WHAT'S TRYING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED HERE IS TO RESCHEDULE THAT CANCELED TO BE A REGULAR LIKE WE'RE DOING IN NOVEMBER AND THEN KEEP IT THERE, IT'S ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF THE FORUM.
>> WE CAN SCHEDULE IT NOT AS A REGULAR MEETING BECAUSE IT'S NOT.
THAT WOULD MEAN THE SECOND WOULD HAVE TO BE A SUPER QUORUM BECAUSE THE REGULAR MEETINGS ARE THE FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAY AT 07:00 PM, ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT IS CONSIDERED A SPECIAL MEETING.
NOW, DO ALL SPECIAL MEETINGS HAVE TO HAVE A SUPER QUORUM OR ONLY THOSE THAT ARE DEALING WITH FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS?
>> ALL SPECIAL MEETINGS MUST HAVE A SUPER QUORUM, ALL REGULARLY CALLED MEETINGS IS A QUORUM.
BUT I THOUGHT THAT ON NUMBER 6 WHAT WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS RESCHEDULE THE NOVEMBER 21ST REGULAR MEETING TO NOVEMBER 14TH AND KEEP IT AS A REGULAR MEETING.
I KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL MOTIONS, [LAUGHTER] BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
WHAT WAS YOUR MOTION A SECOND?
>> I THINK THE GOAL IS TO HAVE CRP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
>> IF WE DO IT ON THE SECOND, WE COULD DO IT AS A WORKSHOP AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MIGHT LIMIT IF WE DID IT AS A WORKSHOP AS OPPOSED TO A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING.
A WORKSHOP DOES NOT REQUIRE A SUPER QUORUM, DOES IT?
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>> WELL, WHAT DO YOU GET READY TO SIGN?
>> TYPICALLY THE WORKSHOPS AND THEN FOR COMMITTEES.
THERE'S COUNCIL MEMBERS ON IT BUT THEY'VE BEEN APPOINTED.
THERE'S NEVER BEEN A FULL QUORUM, BUT A QUORUM COULD SHOW UP.
THAT'S WHY WE POST IT THE WAY WE DO.
IT'S THE COMMITTEE THAT A QUORUM COULD SHOW UP, THE WEBSITE COMMITTEE.
THAT'S WHAT WE DID THE OTHER DAY.
CAN YOU GIVE ME AND AMY FIVE-MINUTES TO LOOK OVER SOME THINGS, AND CAN WE TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK WHILE WE LOOK AT SOMETHING?
[NOISE] THAT WAY WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU AS BAD INFORMATION.
>> WE WILL TAKE A RECESS UNTIL 07:45.
[NOISE] I'M WANTING TO ACCOMMODATE [INAUDIBLE] JUST HOW TO GET THERE.
BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT IS US TO HAVE A MAIDEN AND THEY DON'T HAVE BODIES.
>> YEAH, WELL, THEY WERE ALL COMMITTED PREVIOUSLY TOO.
>> YEAH, WHEN WE HAVE SPECIAL MEETING [INAUDIBLE].
JUST POPPED UP OUT OF THE BLUE TODD.
>> NO THEY HAVE IT. I'M GOING TO GO BACK AND GET THE TYPE BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S ON TOP, SO I WILL GET IT.
BUT BOTTOM LINE IS, WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DO TONIGHT.
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>> WE DEFINE PLANNING SESSION.
[LAUGHTER] BUT I COULD ARGUE THAT UNDER OUR CURRENT CONGRESS [INAUDIBLE].
THEY WILL SCHEDULE MEETING WE WILL WORK OUT.
>> SCHEDULE IT AS A WORKSHOP OR AS A MEETING.
>> WHAT YOU'VE GOT? [BACKGROUND] WELL, NO, I DON'T HAVE IT.
MY [INAUDIBLE] I'VE GOT TO GIVE STAFF TIME TO GET STUFF DONE.
THERE'S NO POINT IN HAVING A MEETING FOR EVERYBODY TO GET HERE AND WHATEVER THEY WANT TO SEE RIGHT HERE.
THOSE ARE GOOD TOO. THERE ARE TWO ISSUES AND IF YOU LOOK AT MOST OF THE STUFF ON HERE IS BEING DEALT WITH TONIGHT.
>> IT'S NOT ACCURATE, BUT IT MAKES SENSE.
WE'RE NOW RECONVENING AT 07:45.
MS. NOE HAS POINTED OUT THAT WE HAVE A COP MEETINGS SCHEDULED TONIGHT THAT WAS NOT ABLE TO GO FORWARD, AND THEREFORE WE SHOULD BE READY TO GO FORWARD WITH IT ON OCTOBER 2ND AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
I AGREE WITH THAT AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION THE PAST 10-5 O'CLOCK, SO YOU'RE FREE.
>> WE DIDN'T VOTE, MADAM MAYOR.
>> BUT WE DIDN'T VOTE ON THE MOTION THAT SHE PUT UP AND THEN THE SECONDED, IS THAT CORRECT, AMY?
>> YOU'RE RIGHT, THE NUMBER 4 PASSED OCTOBER 2ND, FIVE O'CLOCK.
>> OKAY. FIVE IS CANCELING THE NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING DUE TO EARLY VOTING WILL BE IN HERE.
RIGHT AFTER THAT, NUMBER 6 IS TO MOVE THE MEETING UP TO THE NOVEMBER 14TH.
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THERE IS A POSSIBILITY AT ANYTIME THAT A SPECIAL MEETING CAN BE CALLED IF IT'S NECESSARY.WE CAN MAKE IT A COUNCIL MEETING, WE CAN MAKE IT OF CRP COMMITTEE OR CIP MEETING, WE CAN MAKE IT YOU NAME IT.
WE CAN DESIGNATE WHAT IS ON THAT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AND THE WELL-SPENT AND I HAVE THE THING AND I TRIED TO GO BY SOMETIMES STATE LAW DICTATES.
ITS LIKE TONIGHT, WE HAVE TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS OR [LAUGHTER] WE IN TROUBLE.
>> WHAT WAS THE MOTION I SECONDED?
>> OKAY. NOW, LET'S GO ON ITEM 5.
>> I MAKE A MOTION ON ITEM 5 TO CHANGE THE WORDING FROM CONSIDERATION AND OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON CANCELING THE NOVEMBER 7TH, 2023 REGULAR MEETING DUE TO ELECTION DAY VOTING TO INSTEAD SAY CONSIDERATION OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESCHEDULING THE NOVEMBER 7TH, 2023 REGULAR MEETING TO OCTOBER 4TH AT 5 O'CLOCK PM.
>> OKAY. I WILL POINT OUT, YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE OCTOBER 3RD WAS IRREGULAR MEETING FOR THE PAST I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS, WE HAVE ALWAYS CANCELED THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER BECAUSE OF NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.
I WOULD SAY BEING PREPARED FOR IT IS NOT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT. SHOULD WAIT? NO, ISN'T AN ASSUMPTION THAT WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND CANCEL.
OH, YEAH, BUT WE WERE PREPARED FOR NEXT MEETING BEING THE 17TH.
WHAT I'M THINKING OF A STAFF, WOULD YOU WANT THAT MEETING TO BE A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING WITH NORMAL ATOMS OR WOULD YOU WANT IT TO BE A WORKSHOP MEETING?
>> MADAM MAYOR, SINCE THE CONSIDERATION IS TO RESCHEDULE THE NOVEMBER 7TH REGULAR MEETING TO OCTOBER 4TH, THE REQUEST WOULD BE JIM COVER, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS.
>> IN A COUNCIL MEETING, CORRECT.
>> YEAH. IT WILL BE A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING IS THE REQUEST.
>> I HAVE A CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING A MEETING OF THE SECOND, THE THIRD, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THE THIRD EVENTS AS WELL.
THEN HAVING ANOTHER BIG MEETING ON THE FOURTH, I'M AFRAID THAT'S TRYING TO BE A LITTLE MORE.
THINKING ABOUT OUR STAFF AS THE MAYOR HAS POINTED OUT, I THINK IT'S A VALID POINT THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER HER SUGGESTION THAT WE GO AHEAD AND THEN HAVE THE 17TH MEETING AND AT THAT POINT DETERMINED IF WE IN FACT NEED ANOTHER MEETING IN THE NOVEMBER, FINE.
I THINK WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME IN BETWEEN SO THAT ALL OF THIS, YOU HAVE OTHER COMMITMENTS THAT WE COULD GET IT ON OUR CALENDARS AND NOT TRY TO SCHEDULE IT AT A LATER DATE, BUT I DON'T THINK I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION BECAUSE OF THAT.
>> OKAY. WE JUST SAYING WE ALSO HAVE OCTOBER 3RD IS A TUESDAY, OCTOBER 10TH IS A TUESDAY, OCTOBER 17TH IS WHEN THE FIRST MEETING BE HELD OCTOBER 24TH AND OF COURSE, HALLOWEEN.
WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE A TRICK OR TREATING.
[LAUGHTER] WELL, JUST TO GIVE YOU OTHER OTHER OPTIONS.
NOVEMBER IS COMPLICATED BETWEEN THE ELECTION.
>> I THINK MS. NOE JUST TRYING TO GET IT ON THE CALENDAR, SO WE DON'T HAVE SURPRISED MEETINGS THAT POP UP WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE OTHER COMMITMENTS.
ALL FOUR OF US CAN MAKE IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
> OKAY. WHAT SURPRISED MEETING ARE YOU REFERRING TO?
>> ANYONE THAT MAY COME UP IN THE FUTURE THAT'S NOT ON OUR CALENDAR.
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THAT'S WHAT MRS. NOOR IS TRYING TO DO.GO AHEAD, MS. NOE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO?
>> WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHEN HAS THAT HAPPENED?
>> RATHER, MAYOR, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER CANCELING THE OCTOBER 3RD REGULAR MEETING THAT'S ON OUR CALENDAR AND WE'RE MAKING A MOTION TO RESCHEDULE THE OCTOBER 3RD MEETING TO ONE SINGLE FOLLOWING DAY LATER, OCTOBER 4TH, WHICH, WITHOUT THESE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE BEING RAISED, SEEMS LIKE A LOGICAL PROPOSAL, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT PROPOSAL AND CAUSE SOME EFFECT TO SECOND TO THE MOTION.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER NOE AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER FACT TO MOVE THE NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING TO OCTOBER 4TH AT 05:00 PM.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOVING THE NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING TO OCTOBER 4TH AT 05:00 PM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[LAUGHTER] I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO WITH AGAINST ONLY BECAUSE I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE STAFF TERM.
I WOULD IT BE HAPPY TO MAKE IT FROM NOVEMBER 7TH TO NOVEMBER 4TH, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE ONE ON THE 17TH.
>> I CANNOT DO THE TINT, THAT'S MY DAUGHTER'S BIRTHDAY.
>> EXCUSE ME, I DIDN'T MEAN TO AFFECT SAMANTHA.
>> CAN I THROW THIS OUT THERE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT I KNOW, AMY AND I HAVE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN PUTTING OFF.
WE NEED TIME TO DEFINITELY GO THROUGH AND I KNOW WE GOT AUDIT COMING UP IN A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF, SO STAFF TIME IS GOING TO BE MOVING.
I KNOW BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO WORK ON THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY GOT TO GET DONE.
THAT WOULD BE PUT SOME THINGS ON THIS AGENDA SO WE COULD DO THAT DURING THAT TIME-FRAME.
>> OKAY. HOW ABOUT WE HAVE THE MEETING ON THE SECOND AT THE END OF THAT MEETING, LET'S SEE WHERE WE ARE.
AT THAT POINT, IF WE NEED TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING, BE IT WHENEVER WE CAN DO SO.
IT DOESN'T PUT ONE DOWN IN STONE AS A LITTLE GIRL, BUT IT AT LEAST GIVES THE OPTION BECAUSE I THINK WE'LL TAKE CARE OF AN AWFUL LOT OF STUFF LIKE YOU SAID, IF THINGS ARE NOT READY, IT'S HARD TO HAVE A MEETING [LAUGHTER] WITHOUT THE STYLE.
I DON'T WANT TO KILL MY STYLE.
THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT GO ON WITH STYLE.
THAT MOTION FAILS, IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION FROM ANYONE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO MODIFY OR IS THERE ANOTHER ONE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT OR SHALL WE JUST MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6? YES.
>> JUST THE STRAIGHT CANCELING IT.
THE MOTION FAILED TO MOVE THE MEETING FROM NOVEMBER 7TH TO OCTOBER 4TH.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5 AS WRITTEN, CANCELING THE NOVEMBER 7TH REGULAR MEETING DUE TO ELECTION DAY VOTING.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SAUER TO APPROVE CANCELING THE NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING DUE TO EARLY ELECTION DAY VOTING.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING CANCELING THE NOVEMBER 7TH, THE MEETING DUE TO THE ELECTION BY VOTING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
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THOUGHT WAS THAT A VOTE? ANYONE OPPOSED? THANK YOU. WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS.NOW WE ARE TO ITEM 6, CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESCHEDULING THE NOVEMBER 21ST, 2023 REGULAR MEETING TO NOVEMBER 14TH DUE TO THE THANKSGIVING DAY HOLIDAY.
>> MADAM MAYOR, AFTER THE DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT ABOUT OTHER DATES, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ACTION ON RESCHEDULING THE NOVEMBER 21 REGULAR MEETING TO NOVEMBER 14 DUE TO THE THANKSGIVING DAY HOLIDAY.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER KERCHO TO RESCHEDULE THE NOVEMBER 21ST, 2023 REGULAR MEETING DATE TO NOVEMBER 14TH DUE TO THE THANKSGIVING DAY HOLIDAY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
MOTION CARRIES 3-1 [INAUDIBLE] THE ONE OPPOSED.
I THINK WE'VE ALREADY BEEN OUT OF NUMBER 7.
[LAUGHTER] NOW, AGAIN, IF AT ANY POINT IN TIME SOMEONE FEELS TO ME TO HAVE A SPECIALTY CALLED MEETING, LET ME KNOW.
NEXT ONE, WE PULLED OFF ITEM NUMBER 12.
THIS IS ASKING TO WRITE THE PARK RULES FOR PARKER FEST AND THE REASON I ASKED IT TO BE PULLED OFF IS IN THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION, YOU SHOULD HAVE FOUND A NEW ONE ON YOUR DESK THERE.
ITEM NUMBER 23 GOT INADVERTENTLY OMITTED AND ITEM 23 DOES NEED TO BE WIDE BECAUSE IT IS HOPED THAT WE WILL USE DRONES TO FILM PARKER FEST.
SINCE THE PARKER RULES DON'T ALLOW DRONES, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT WIDE WITH THE OTHERS, WHICH ARE MOTORIZED VEHICLES AS YOU CAN READ.
I'M MAKING SURE OF [LAUGHTER] THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING.
IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN I WILL TAKE A MOTION.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MOTION TO THE RESOLUTION SUSPENDING CERTAIN PARK RULES APPLICABLE TO THE PRESERVE A CITY POWER PURSUANT TO SECTION 97.11 AND 97.14 OF THE PARKER CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR PARKER FEST 2023 ON SUNDAY, OCTOBER 29TH, 2023, FROM 12:00 PM-08:00 PM, UPON SATISFYING CERTAIN CONDITIONS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER NOE AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-761.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? NOT HEARING ANY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF PASSING RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-761, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES FOR ALL.
I THINK WE'RE OUT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. WE'RE ONLY IN OUR LIFE AND WHAT THE HECK? THAT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION AND IT WAS FALSE SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND SOME THINGS.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEMS.
[13. PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED FY2023-2024 BUDGET.]
FIRST ONE IS ITEM NUMBER 13, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET.[01:05:01]
AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.IT WAS 759 AND OUR DIRECTOR OF FINANCE GRANT SAVAGE WILL GIVE US SOME INFORMATION.
>> SURE. MAYOR, COUNCIL LET'S GO OVER SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
THE BUDGET HAS BEEN PREPARED USING THE PROPOSED TAX RATE OF 0.322680.
THERE'S A DECREASE FROM LAST YEAR OF 0.006609 CENTS.
THE BUDGET ALSO INCLUDES SALARY INCREASES FOR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.
IMPROVED EMPLOYEE BENEFITS INCLUDE TMRS CONTRIBUTION RATE CHANGE, LONGEVITY PAY, AND THE ADDITION OF A LONG-TERM DISABILITY INSURANCE.
WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR REPLACEMENT OF FOUR SCBA AIR PACKS FOR THE FIRE ENGINE.
INCREASED FUNDING FOR THIS RECONSTRUCTION FUND, EQUIPMENT TECHNOLOGY REPLACEMENT FUNDS AND THE PARKS FUND.
ALSO INCREASE IN FUNDING FOR WATER METER REPLACEMENT, REPLACED IN 2006 CUB CADET AND A 2010 BRUSHSTROKE.
AS WELL AS THIS BE THE FIRST YEAR OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SALES TAX RATE INCREASE FOR STREET MAINTENANCE FUND THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE MAY ELECTION.
THIS NEXT SLIDE, JUST OVERVIEW OF ALL THE FUNDS WITH THE BUDGETED REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES.
I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IN TOTAL, THE BUDGETED EXPENDITURES FOR ALL FUNDS IS $17,049,663.
NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE GENERAL FUND.
REVENUES INCREASED ALMOST 17%.
THAT WAS DRIVEN PRIMARILY THROUGH PROPERTY TAXES AND INCREASE INVESTMENT INCOME.
WE DID HAVE SOME DECREASES IN LICENSE FEES AND PERMITS AND SALES TAX.
OPERATING EXPENSES INCREASED ABOUT 7%.
BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE INCREASES CAME IN THE FORM OF TRANSFERS TO OTHER FUNDS AND THAT WAS PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY INCREASE OF $470,000 IS GOING TO FUND STREET MAINTENANCE FUND.
>> THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION.
AT THIS TIME, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAVAGE?
>> NOW, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING PORTION.
IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM, MR. MCDOWELL.
>> I'LL SAY THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER]
>> IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET? ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
ON NUMBER 17 HERE ON THIS MOTION OF WHAT WAS BEING GIVEN TO US, WHAT IS THE EFFECTIVE IN 8.17% INCREASE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S ACTUALLY FOR THE TAX RATE THAT WILL COME SHORTLY AFTER.
>> BECAUSE YOU USED THE 0.32 POLE IN THE SAME SENTENCE AND USED IT UP THERE.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE TYING IT TOGETHER.
>> AT THIS TIME, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IT IS 8:02 PM.
COUNCIL DO YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE BUDGET?
>> MADAM MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT ORDINANCE 847,
[14. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NO. 847 ADOPTING THE 2023-2024 BUDGET.]
APPROVING THE FISCAL YEAR 2023, 2024 BUDGET AS PRESENTED WITH AN AMENDMENT EXCLUDING SECTION 5 PARAGRAPH 2.>> MADAM MAYOR I SECOND THAT MOTION.
>> BEAR WITH ME FOR A WHILE PLEASE.
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WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.WE HAVE A MOTION BY TERRY LYNCH TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE NUMBER I47, ADOPTING THE 2023-2024 BUDGET.
I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
TERRY, WHAT IS YOUR AMENDMENT?
>> IT WOULD REMOVE ON PAGE 185, SECTION 5, PARAGRAPH 2 THAT SAYS WITH THE APPROVAL.
THIS SECTION SPECIFIES AUTHORITY IS GIVEN TO THE MAYOR, CONDITIONED TO SET FORTH BELOW MAKING THE FOLLOWING ADJUSTMENTS.
SECTION PARAGRAPH 2, IT WILL ELIMINATE THIS PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR AND OR MAYOR, TRANSFER APPROPRIATIONS FROM DESIGNATED APPROPRIATIONS FROM ONE DEPARTMENT OR ACTIVITY TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT OR ACTIVITY WITHIN THE SAME FUN.
THE CITY STAFF STILL HAS THE OPPORTUNITIES OF MAKING CHANGES WITHIN THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT.
THAT STAYS AS IS BUT IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR MOVING BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS WITHOUT APPROVAL OF COMING TO TO COUNSEL.
>> JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTANDING THIS, SO IF THE POLICE CHIEF WANTED TO GIVE SOME OF HIS TRAINING MONEY TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HE WOULD HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT COULDN'T JUST BE A ROUTINE ITEM?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. WE SPEND A GOOD BIT OF TIME IN WORKING ON THE BUDGET AND WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE LINE ITEMS, WE LOOK AT DEPARTMENTS THEN WE THINK THE INFORMATION OR THAT INTEGRITY OF THE BUDGET IS CRITICAL I BELIEVE.
THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUDGET IS CRITICAL BEING ABLE TO MOVE BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS LOOSES A BIT OF THAT CREDIBILITY AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO HOLD BACK IN ORDER SO THAT WE KNOW WHERE THINGS ARE.
>> EVEN THOUGH WE ALWAYS REPORT IT TO COUNSEL?
>> WELL, THEN IT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM TO ELIMINATE.
>> NO, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I [OVERLAPPING] UNDERSTOOD.
>> WE DO IT. EVEN MORE REASON WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE IN AN ORDINANCE?
>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, COMMENTS?
>> NO. I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH.
>> THIS CALLS FOR A RECORD VOTE.
SO MR. CARTWRIGHT, DO YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF ARGUMENTS NUMBER 847 WITH AMENDMENT OR AGAINST IT?
>> MOTION PASSES FOUR TO ZERO. THANK YOU.
NEXT WE HAVE CONSIDERATION AND OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 847, WE JUST DID THAT.
I'M 15 CONSIDERATION AND OR INAPPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 848,
[15. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NO. 848 RATIFYING THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE INCREASE IN THE 2023-24 BUDGET AS A RESULT OF THE CITY RECEIVING MORE REVENUES FROM PROPERTY TAXES IN THE 2023-24 BUDGET THAN IN THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.]
RATIFYING THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE INCREASE IN THE 2023-24 BUDGET AS A RESULT OF THE CITY RECEIVING MORE REVENUES FROM PROPERTY TAXES IN THE 23-24 BUDGET THAN IN THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.MR. SAVAGE, I SEE YOU STANDING THERE.
>> SURE. SO EVEN THOUGH THE TAX RATE ACTUALLY DECREASE THIS YEAR, THERE ARE AN INCREASE IN THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE COMPARED TO LAST YEAR.
SO ANYTIME THAT HAPPENS TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE REQUIRES THE COUNCIL TO RATIFY THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE.
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>> ANY QUESTIONS MR. SAVAGE? I WOULD TAKE A MOTION.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 848, RATIFYING THE INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUES REFLECTED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024 BUDGET.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I SECOND THE MOTION.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY AGAIN, THIS IS A RECORD VOTE.
THIS TIME WE'LL START WITH MR. FE.
[16. PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED FY2023-2024 TAX RATE.]
WHICH IS THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED 2023-2024 TAX RATE.AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> AS I'D PREVIOUSLY STATED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING, THE PROPOSED TAX RATE IS 0.322680.
I SAID, IT'S A DECREASE OF 0.00609 CENTS OR 2% DECREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
EVEN THOUGH THE RATE DECREASED, COUNCILS REQUIRED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE BECAUSE IT EXCEEDS THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, EXCEEDED IT BY 8.17%.
LOOKING AT A COMPARISON BETWEEN OUR CURRENT TAX RATE AND THE PROPOSED TAX RATE YOU SEE THE TOTAL TAX RATE CONSISTS OF THE M&O AND THE DEBT RATE, ADDITION OF THOSE TWO.
THE DEBT RATE HAS DECREASED FROM LAST YEAR AND THAT'S BECAUSE OUR DEBT IS ACTUALLY GOING DOWN AND THE M&O RATE SLIGHTLY INCREASED.
2022 RATE WAS ADOPTED AT THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE.
AND THEN THIS YEAR, THE PROPOSED TAX RATE IS THE SAME AS THE DE MINIMIS RATE.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAVAGE?
>> JUST A CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE RATES.
SO THIS INDICATING THE RATE IS HIGHER THAN THE NO-NEW-REVENUE RATE IS SAYING THAT OUR PROPERTY TAXES WILL INCREASE SOME.
>> THE NO-NEW-REVENUE IS THE RATE THAT WOULD TAKE TO RAISE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR BASED ON THIS YEAR'S APPRAISED VALUES.
>> THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING, DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK OR AGAIN JUST TO SAY HI, MR. MCDOWELL.
>> YEAH, I'LL ASK SOME QUESTION.
>> I HAVE FAITH IN YOU [LAUGHTER]
>> Y'ALL ARE GOING INTO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT PROBABLY WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL DEBT AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
INTEREST RATES HAVE BEEN MOVING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION, AND I WONDER WHETHER COUNCIL HAS CONSIDERED WHAT THE MAXIMUM INTEREST EXPENSE TO REVENUE LEVEL WILL BE SO THEY HAVE SOME IDEA AS TO WHAT THEIR CAPACITY TO BORROW WOULD BE.
Y'ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING?
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FROM AN INTEGRITY STANDPOINT, INFORMING THE PUBLIC THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS A LIMITATION TO HOW FAR THEY WILL BORROW.
>> MR. SAVAGE, YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE MS. LYNCH, YOU HAD ASKED THAT AT A PREVIOUS MEETING AND SHOULD WE HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL?
>> SURE. WE RAN THOSE SCENARIOS.
HAVE RAN THEM RECENTLY, BUT WE DID RAN THEM BACK IN, I BELIEVE, APRIL, MAY TIME FRAME WHENEVER WE WENT OUT FOR A BOND ELECTION,
[01:20:05]
BUT THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED, NO.>> DO YOU REMEMBER THE LEVEL OF INTEREST EXPENSE, THE EXPECTED REVENUE THAT YOU WERE HAVING?
>> WE DIDN'T CALCULATE IT BASED ON WHAT THE INTEREST, IT WAS A TOTAL DEBT PAYMENT IN TOTAL, YES.
[BACKGROUND] AND THERE'S A NEW SUPREME COURT CASES THAT ARE PROBABLY COMING DOWN THAT IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO AFFECT INTEREST RATES DIFFERENTLY FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT DEBT ISSUANCE CASE COMING OUT OF PUERTO RICO WITH THEIR DEBT ISSUANCE FOR MISCIBLE BONDS.
SO THAT WE'VE GOT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, HOW THAT'S GOING TO SHAKE OUT.
>> WE'RE GOING TO KEEP A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT TOO.
>> IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, NOT TO STRESS AS ALL.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY COMMENTS? IF NOT, THEN I WILL TAKE A MOTION.
WELL, NO. THAT'S THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ADAM 17 CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 849,
[17. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NO. 849 ADOPTING THE 2023 TAX RATE.]
ADOPTING THE 2023 TAX RATE.>> MADAM MAYOR I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 849, SETTING A TAX RATE OF 30.322680, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY AN 8.17% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE ABOVE THE NO-NEW-REVENUE TAX RATE.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 849, ADOPTING THE 2023 TAX RATE.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS?
>> MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
>> WITH RESPECT TO I THINK OUR CITY STAFF FOR WORKING SO HARD ON HELPING TO PULL THIS BUDGET TOGETHER, AND I'M ENCOURAGED BY WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PUT INTO OUR FUNDS FOR OUR STREETS, WERE REALLY WORKING HARD TO TACKLE OUR STREETS AND AS WELL OUR EQUIPMENT, WE'VE BEEF THAT UP AS WELL.
SO EVEN THOUGH OUR TAXES ARE INCREASING A BIT, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE GOOD NEWS IS OUR DEBT IS DECREASING AND WE'RE FUNDING THESE THINGS.
SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD BUDGET AND IT'S A FAIR TAX RATE.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER EFFECT TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 849, ADOPTING THE TAX RATE.
AT THIS TIME, I WILL DO A RECORD VOTE AS REQUIRED.
WE'LL START WITH MR. CARTWRIGHT THIS TIME FOR OR AGAINST.
>> ORDINANCE NUMBER 849 IS ADOPTED BY VOTE OF FOUR, ZERO. THANK Y'ALL.
[18. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2023–758 APPROVING THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH BIRKHOFF, HENDRICKS & CARTER, LLP, A QUALIFIED INDEPENDENT THIRD-PARTY FOR SERVICES RELATED TO THE REVIEW AND/OR PROCESSING OF ENGINEERING PLANS, CONSTRUCTION PLANS, AND/OR INSPECTION OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS CONSTRUCTED BY PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT TO MEET THE CITY’S ACTUAL COST REQUIREMENT ESTABLISHED UNDER LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 212.906.]
CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023758, APPROVING THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS.EVERY PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH BIRKHOFF, HENDRICKS & CARTER LLP, A QUALIFIED INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY FOR SERVICES RELATED TO THE REVIEW AND/OR PROCESSING OF ENGINEERING PLANS, CONSTRUCTION PLANS, AND/OR INSPECTION OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS CONSTRUCTED BY PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT TO MEET THE CITY'S ACTUAL COST REQUIREMENTS ESTABLISHED UNDER LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 212.906.
[01:25:05]
I THINK YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN ABOUT THIS. [LAUGHTER]>> YES, DURING THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THE LEGISLATURE DEEMED THAT WE HAVE A 5% REVIEW FEE THAT WE CHARGED FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD COVER OUR ENGINEERING SERVICES, OUR STAFF TIME, AND EVERYTHING.
WE CAN NOT CHARGE 5% ANYMORE, IT'S GOT TO BE STRAIGHT COST.
WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TO BECOME COMPLIANT WITH THE LAW IS ENTERING INTO A THIRD-PARTY AGREEMENT WITH BIRKHOFF, HENDRICKS & CARTER TO DO THOSE INSPECTIONS AND REVIEW THOSE PLANS LIKE WE NORMALLY DO, BUT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A STRAIGHT PASS-THROUGH.
WHAT WE'LL DO IS ONCE WE GET THE BILL FROM BIRKHOFF, HENDRICKS & CARTER, PATTY WILL GO THROUGH THOSE LINE ITEMS AND THEN BILL OUT THOSE DEVELOPMENTS FOR THAT.
THIS AGREEMENT WILL ALLOW THEM TO TRACK THIS INTERNALLY IN THEIR SYSTEM BASED ON PER PROJECT SO WE CAN HAVE A PROJECT NUMBER THAT WAY WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE BILLING TO EACH DEVELOPER BASED ON THEIR PROJECT.
THERE IS A SPECIFIC CARVE-OUT.
WE CAN ACTUAL COST AND THEN I THINK THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL FEE WE CAN CHARGE FOR THE LAMAR'S WITH THAT, THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS WITH THAT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE DOING WITH THIS, BUT THE SAME COSTS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE PAY BIRKHOFF, HENDRICKS & CARTER RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST A PASS-THROUGH IS ALL IT IS.
>> THERE'S NOT AN INCREASE, WE'RE JUST PASSING IT THROUGH. IS THAT CORRECT? THE CITY BIRKHOFF WON'T BE CHARGED IN THE CITY MORE THAN HE DID THIS YEAR?
>> WELL, ANYWAY, HE CAN INCREASE HIS PRICES, BUT YEAH, IT'LL BE THE SAME PRICES.
>> I GUESS I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
ONE, IN RESPECT OF BEING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LEGISLATURE, IT SEEMS WE ALREADY HAD THIS ASPECT OF COST AVAILABLE BECAUSE WE HAD A BILL FROM BIRKHOFF AND SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD CHARGE TO THE DEVELOPER.
IT WAS MORE OUR INTERNAL COSTS THAT I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO CAPTURE TO CHARGE FOR THOSE INTERNAL COSTS BECAUSE I KNOW GOOD AND WELL THAT MANY OF OUR STAFF HAVE BEEN DOING INTERNAL WORK.
IS THIS PROPOSING THAT WE OUTSOURCE THOSE FUNCTIONS NOW TO BIRKHOFF?
>> CORRECT THAT WE WOULDN'T BE PROPOSING THOSE TO BIRKHOFF, HENDRICKS & CARTER, AND I THINK TIMOTHY JOHNSON IS THE OTHER ONE.
>> HENRY JOHNSON FOR THE OTHER ONE.
THIS WOULD FREE UP BOBBY'S TIME WITHIN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW HE'S HAVING TO BABYSIT ON THESE PROJECTS A LOT.
WE DO HAVE FM 2551 THAT'S GOING TO PROBABLY BE STARTING HERE IN NOVEMBER TIMEFRAME NOW.
I WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT ON THAT PROCESS WHEN THAT ITEM CAME UP, BUT HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO SIT OUT THERE AND BABYSIT THAT PROJECT OUT THERE NOW.
SO IT FREES HIS TIME UP FOR THAT AND FREES THEM UP TO DO OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED HIM TO DO THAT HE'S BEEN TAKING UP HIS TIME ON THESE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
>> SO WE ARE OUTSOURCING THESE FUNCTIONS AND SO OUR STAFF WILL HAVE MORE TIME AVAILABLE TO DO OTHER SERVICES?
>> LET ME MAKE ONE COMMENT THERE TOO.
ONE OF THE THINGS THE NEW LAW CALLS FOR IS A NEW STANDARD IS WE WOULD HAVE TO TELL THEM ON A BUILDING FROM HERE THAT'S $20 OF [INAUDIBLE] TIME, THAT'S $10 OF PATTY'S TIME THAT HOW MANY DOLLARS.
WE'RE NOT A BIG CITY THAT HAS ONE PERSON THAT DOES A COMPLETE PERMIT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO DIVVY IT UP AND FIND OUT ON EVERYTHING HOW MUCH STAFF TIME.
[LAUGHTER] IT'S UNREALISTIC FOR US.
>> I PERSONALLY, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE OUTSOURCING THE FUNCTIONS BECAUSE THIS ISN'T OUR KEY SERVICE.
THIS IS UNTIL WE GET FULLY DEVELOPED AND I THINK THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH WORK TO BE DONE.
HOWEVER, I DO BELIEVE THERE'S STILL OTHER WORK THAT WILL BE DONE INTERNALLY AND WHEN WE GET TO THE FEE SCHEDULE, I'LL ASK ABOUT THAT PIECE.
[01:30:01]
BUT NOW, WITH RESPECT TO THIS AGREEMENT WITH BIRKHOFF, THIS NEW SERVICES AGREEMENT, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THE RATES ARE HIGHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE BEEN PAYING IS MY UNDERSTANDING AND LOOKING AT IT WITH THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE, NOW, I'M NOT AWARE THAT THE RATES HAVE BEEN INCREASING ANNUALLY.HOWEVER, I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING A REQUEST FOR A PROPOSAL OF MULTIPLE ENGINEERING FIRMS TO DETERMINE WHO THE BEST VENDOR IS FOR THIS WORK.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE DID A REQUEST FOR A PROPOSAL ON THE ENGINEERING WORK?
>> WAS THERE ACTUALLY A REQUEST FOR A PROPOSAL THEN OR WAS THAT JUST THE ONE DID WE HAVE MULTIPLE PROPOSALS?
>> FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WAS MULTIPLE PROPOSALS.
>> IT WAS BID OUT, IT WAS PUBLISHED, WE GOT SEVERAL AND COUNCIL DECIDED TO STAY WITH BIRKHOFF.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT ARE THERE ANY OTHER FIRMS OUT THERE THAT DO THIS?
>> THERE IS OTHER FIRMS. WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GET IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATUTE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
JUST BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE HOW THIS WAS SHAKEN OUT AND WHAT OTHER CITIES WERE DOING.
IT SEEMED LIKE WE WERE MORE AHEAD OF THE CURVE IN THE OTHER CITIES BECAUSE WE HAD OTHER CITIES ASKING US HOW WE WERE HANDLING IT.
THIS IS HOW WE DEVELOP THIS AS A ONE-TIME.
LET'S JUST GET THIS ON THE BOOKS.
LET'S SEE WHAT THIS COSTS, WHAT THIS IS GOING TO ENTAIL GOING FORWARD.
WE KNOW WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO COME UP.
I THINK DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO SLOW DOWN THIS NEXT YEAR, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AS MUCH PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING UP.
WE CAN LOOK AT THIS AND SEE IF THIS IS THE BEST OPTION FOR THE CITY DURING THAT TIMEFRAME.
AS FAR AS GOING BACK TO THE FEE SCHEDULE, WHEN WE INQUIRED ABOUT THE FEES, WE FOUND OUT THERE WAS AN ACCOUNTING ERROR ON THEIR END THAT THEY HAD NOT CHECKED THE RIGHT BOX IN THEIR ACCOUNTING DEPARTMENT FOR THE NEW FEES EVERY YEAR AND THAT IS WHAT'S LED US TO NOW WE WILL BE CHARGED THE CORRECT FEES.
ONCE WE INQUIRED ABOUT WHY THERE WAS A FEE DIFFERENCE, SO WE WILL BE CHARGED THE CORRECT FEE AMOUNT THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR OUR CURRENT CONTRACT.
>> BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT WAS A SEPTEMBER 1 DEADLINE AND FOR WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH.
HOWEVER, WITH RESPECT TO THE WORK THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, WELL, I DON'T HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING, THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT WITH PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY SUCH AS WHITESTONE AND KINGS CROSSING 5, [LAUGHTER] WHICH ONE IS IT?
>> YET SINCE THOSE PROJECTS WERE ALREADY UNDERWAY, THEY WON'T FALL UNDER THIS NEW.
IT WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WOULDN'T FALL UNDER THIS NEW LEGISLATION BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THE WORK.
WE'RE INCREASING THESE COSTS NOW THAT WILL LESSEN OUR NET REVENUE BECAUSE WE'RE STILL JUST CHARGING FIVE PERCENT, BUT WE'RE INCREASING THE EXPENSES.
>> YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN WE INQUIRED ABOUT THAT BETWEEN THE TWO FEES, WHEN WE WERE DOING THAT, THAT'S WHEN WE FOUND OUT WE WEREN'T BEING CHARGED ACCURATELY.
>> WELL, AND PLUS YOU'RE UTILIZING MORE ENGINEERING SERVICES THAN YOU HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST.
>> CORRECT, BUT THOSE PROJECTS, THEY WOULD BE CHARGED THE OLD WAY, THE FIVE PERCENT, THE ONES THAT HAVE ALREADY STARTED.
ANYTHING NEW COMING IN, SO IT WOULD BE WHITE'S, KINGS CROSSING SIX, GARY AND THEN KINGS CROSSING EIGHT.
YEAH. WE JUST WEREN'T SURE IF ANYTHING ELSE WAS GOING TO POP UP ALONG THE WAY.
IF THE MORATORIUM WENT AWAY, SOMETHING DOWN THAT LINE, IF COUNCIL GOT RID OF IT.
WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW AT THE TIME.
[01:35:03]
THERE'S NOTHING, WE DON'T WANT TO BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE AND SOMETHING HAPPENED, AND THEN WE'RE SITTING HERE SCRAMBLING, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO AND NOT BEING ABLE TO CHARGE ANYTHING.>> SO IF THERE'S NEW PROJECTS, BUT WE ARE UNDER A MORATORIUM, SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE NEW PROJECTS, THAT, YOU'RE NOT.
>> UNLESS IT FALLS WITHIN THE WHITESTONE, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ONES.
YOU'RE ANTICIPATING THIS NEW SERVICES AGREEMENT TO GO IN EFFECT NOW, EVEN FOR THE PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY?
>> IS THAT THE PHASES THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION?
>> NO. WE'D STILL GET THE FIVE PERCENT FOR THOSE.
>> RIGHT. BUT WOULD THE ENGINEERING FIRM TAKE ON THESE ADDITIONAL TASKS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH JUST INQUIRED ABOUT OR WOULD WE STILL HAVE CITY STAFF DOING THE SAME STAFF'S TASK?
>> THEREFORE, YEAH, WE WOULD FINISH THOSE.
OUR STAFF'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR MOST OF THOSE PROJECTS OUT THERE.
THEY ARE VERY WELL FAMILIAR WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON.
THEY'VE SAT THROUGH ALL THE PRE-CONS, THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING, ALL THE BACKGROUNDS ON THAT.
I'D PREFER STAFF FINISH THOSE OUT THAN TURN IT OVER HALFWAY THROUGH THE PROJECT.
YEAH, IT WOULDN'T GET REAL MESSY REAL QUICK.
WHEN THESE NEW PROJECTS COME IN, I HAVE A CONCERN THAT WE'RE GIVING A BLANK CHECK TO OUR ENGINEERS WITHOUT ANY ACCOUNTABILITY.
I DON'T SEE ANY NOTICE IN THE INFORMATION ABOUT US HAVING A BUDGET THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING THESE COST TO BE AND SOMEBODY ON OUR SIDE IS WATCHING WHAT THESE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE.
TO THINK WE'RE GOING TO JUST SEND THE BILL TO THE DEVELOPER AND THEY'RE JUST GOING TO PAY IT OUT RIGHT.
>> THE COST IS ALSO GOING TO BE MORE CONTROLLED BY THE DEVELOPER THAN ANYTHING.
>> YEAH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE DEVELOPERS THAT WE STILL SEND.
WE HAVE THE SAME COMMENTS ON PHASE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
THEY DON'T CORRECT THEM ON ANY OF THE PHASES.
IT'S ALWAYS THE SAME COMMENTS, IT'S THE SAME ENGINEERING FIRM.
I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD FIGURE IT OUT BY THE THIRD TIME IT'S THE SAME COMMENT FOR THE SAME KIND OF COVERT OR SOMETHING ON THAT LINE OR DITCHES.
A LOT OF IT'S GOING TO BE DRIVEN BY THEM.
WHEN WE HAVE TO GO OUT THERE MULTIPLE TIMES, I DON'T WANT TO USE IT, BUT I HAVE TO, KINGS 3.
I THINK WE ACTUALLY LOST MONEY ON THAT BECAUSE WE WERE OUT THERE SO MANY TIMES JUST BECAUSE OF NO ONE WAS HAVING ANY OVERSIGHT OUT THERE.
STAFF ENDED UP ALMOST BEING OVERSIGHT FOR THE PROJECT AT SOME POINT, IT FELT LIKE WHILE WERE OUT THERE.
NOW THEN YOU GO TO A COMPLETE OPPOSITE WITH WHITESTONE 5.
>> WENT SMOOTH. THEY HAD AN ON-SITE PERSON.
THAT PROJECT WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN BASIC BARE MINIMUM COST BECAUSE THEY HAD SOMEONE ON-SITE MANAGING THE PROJECT, MANAGING EVERYTHING TAKING PLACE OUT THERE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS THERE AND I THINK AT THE END, WITH MINOR THINGS.
>> THERE'S ALWAYS MINOR THINGS.
>> ULTIMATELY, IF THEY SUBMIT PLANS THAT MEET COLE EXPECTS STANDARD ENGINEERING PLANS, EVERYTHING, THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS MOVING FORWARD WITH ANYTHING GOING.
IT SHOULD BE QUICK REVIEWS AND IT SHOULD BE VERY MINIMAL COST TO THEM.
THERE'S SOME THAT DO TAKE AWHILE JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION, YOU GOT TO GET NEW SPECS, YOU GOT TO DO NEW THINGS.
THERE'S FIELD CHANGES THAT SOMETIMES HAVE TO BE DONE.
THERE'S SOME TIMES THAT COSTS DO GET UP THERE.
>> BUT YEAH, WE STILL RECEIVE THE BILL, WE PAY THE BILL AND THEN WE SEND AN INVOICE FOR IT.
SOMEHOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE OF REVIEW PRIOR TO [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE CAN HAVE GARY LOOK THROUGH THAT BILL.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A LITTLE TIME BEFORE WE'RE.
>> I THINK IT'S NET 45 IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
I THINK IT WAS THAT 30 OR NET 45 ON THAT, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE THIS ORDINANCE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE ARE ABLE TO GET REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FROM MULTIPLE ENGINEERING FIRMS ON COST.
>> IN OTHER WORDS, GO OUT FOR BO OR AN RFP OR RFQ.
>> NOW, LOOK, SO YOU SAID THAT BASICALLY WE'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE IF WE DON'T PUSH IT THROUGH.
BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE, HERE YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEW DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF THE MORATORIUM, EVEN IF WE WERE OUT OF.
[01:40:02]
>> YEAH, PHASE 6 IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE COMING IN.
>> YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING IN, BUT THEN PROBABLY 30, 45 BITS.
>> WELL, BUT WE'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH RESPECT TO THE FEE SCHEDULE.
WE COULD STILL PASS, IS IT 17 OR 18? [LAUGHTER] WHATEVER NUMBER.
TWENTY. YEAH, WE COULD STILL PASS THE FEE SCHEDULE, BUT THIS PIECE, I JUST THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE NEED TO DO AN ENGINEERING REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL TO FIND OUT, ARE WE IN LINE WITH COST? IS THERE A BETTER FIRM OUT THERE? BIRKHOFF HAS BEEN DOING.
I WORKED FOR A LONG TIME AND I RESPECT THAT AND I KNOW HE KNOWS THE CITY, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
ONE IS, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE GO OUT FOR ALL ENGINEERING OR JUST AS TO THIS?
>> I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ALL ENGINEERING.
>> OKAY. ARE YOU AWARE OF THE LENGTH OF TIME IT TAKES TO DO THAT? TO GO OUT, GET THE INFORMATION BACK, MAKE A DECISION IN THE NEXT WHAT, 90 DAYS?
>> I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
WAIT A MINUTE. RANDY WAS MIXED.
>> FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE'D BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
IF WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE AND REALLY NOT USING IT OTHER THAN FOR WHITESTONE 6, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE TO GO AHEAD AND START THAT, IT STILL GIVES US PRETTY AMPLE TIME TO GO OUT AND REVIEW THINGS AND THEN DECIDE TO MOVE AWAY FROM BIRKHOFF, SO ON.
BUT I DON'T SEE THE NEGATIVE TO PASSING THIS RIGHT NOW.
>> YEAH, WE JUST HAVE TO GIVE 30-DAY WRITTEN NOTICE IS ALL WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH PRE-CONTRACTS.
>> I KNOW IT'S GOING TO RAISE THAT IF THERE'S A TERMINATION WITHOUT CLAUSE 30-DAY NOTICE.
ALSO, THE FEE SCHEDULE THAT'S ATTACHED TO OR THE ATTACHMENT A TO THE FEE SCHEDULE IS BASED UPON THE SAME SCHEDULE AS THE BIRKHOFF AGREEMENT, WHICH IS THEIR 2023 FEES THAT THE CITY PAYS UNDER ITS ENGINEERING AGREEMENT.
THE FEE SCHEDULE ORDINANCE HAS THAT EXHIBIT AS WELL.
>> I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD PUT IT ON A FUTURE COUNCIL AGENDA ITEM TO GO OUT FOR BID.
>> I THINK WE STILL HAVE COMMENT.
I WANTED TO ASK, CAN WE MAKE THE MOTION WITH A CONDITION? IN OTHER WORDS, A CONDITIONAL, A MOTION TO PASS CONDITIONALLY IS MY QUESTION.
CONDITIONALLY UPON GOING OUT FOR AN RFQ.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION [INAUDIBLE] TO GO OUT FOR AN RFQ FOR TWO-MONTH SERVICES. [INAUDIBLE]
>> NOW AT THIS TIME WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION. CORRECT?
>> MY QUESTION IS, IN TERMS OF WORDING THE MOTION THAT WAS JUST PROPOSED, IS IT POSSIBLE OR DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THE MOTION BEING MADE WITH A CONDITION? THE CONDITION IS GOING OUT FOR AN RFQ AFTER THE ORDINANCE PASSES IN GENERAL WITH THE CURRENT WORDING.
>> WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF TIME FRAME ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
>> IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS BUT GO OUT FOR AN RFQ SO THAT IF WE GET SOMETHING ELSE BACK THAT WE KNOW ARE BETTER WE CAN MOVE ON WITH THIS.
THE GOAL HERE WOULD BE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW, BYPASSING THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN, BUT THEN ALSO PROVIDING A MECHANISM TO GO OUT FOR RFQ SUCH THAT IT COULD BE REVISED AT A LATER DATE.
>> BACKING UP AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE EVERYBODY'S COMING FROM.
BUT THE INITIAL ITEM WAS TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF AN AGREEMENT FOR THESE SERVICES WITH BIRKHOFF, NUMBER 1.
[01:45:03]
WE CAN'T REALLY AUTHORIZE EXECUTION OF A CONTRACT CONDITIONALLY BECAUSE WE'RE CONTRACTING WITH SOMEONE TO DO THAT.BUT IF YOU WANTED TO AUTHORIZE THAT AGREEMENT AND THEN I'M HEARING FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. WE WANT TO CONSIDER GOING OUT FOR A TOTAL RFQ FOR ALL ENGINEERING SERVICES.
YOU NEED TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR, SO I'LL LET YOU FIGURE IT OUT.
>> THANKS FOR CLARIFYING. THE MOTION I HAVE IS THE COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH MADE A MOTION TO VOTE SPUN.
ANY DISCUSSION DEALING WITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 758 AT THIS TIME.
>> MAY I MAKE IT ANOTHER MOTION AT THIS TIME. I'M JUST ASKING.
>> NO, WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH ONE MOTION AND SEE WHERE IT GOES BEFORE WE GO TO A NEW MOTION.
UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION IN WHICH YOU ASKED GARY, CAN I ADD THIS TO YOUR MOTION?
>> I'D LIKE TO MAYBE HAVE GARY RESTATE HER MOTION, MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S CLEAR.
>> I BELIEVE MY MOTION WAS TO POSTPONE THIS RESOLUTION, NUMBER 758 UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE COULD GO OUT FOR PROPOSAL WITH MR. BIRKHOFF FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION BASED ON THE MOTION YOU JUST SAID.
YOU SAID UNTIL WE WENT OUT FOR AN RFQ OR MR. BIRKHOFF.
OR DO YOU MEAN WOULD JUST GO OUT FOR AN RFQ FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES? MAY OR MAY NOT BE MR. BIRKHOFF.
>> DIDN'T REALIZE I SAID MR. BIRKHOFF, I GUESS IT'S GETTING LATE. [LAUGHTER]
>> BUT I WOULD AMEND MY MOTION.
[LAUGHTER] NOW I'M GOING TO LEAVE MY MOTION.
>> WELL, YOU CAN WITHDRAW AND START OVER IF YOU WANT.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MS. LYNCH TO POSTPONE ANY CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-75 UNTIL WE GO OUT FOR AN RFQ FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES.
IS THERE A SECOND? NOT HEARING ANY MOTION FAILS?
>> IS THERE STILL ROOM FOR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? I JUST WANTED TO ALSO COMMENT THAT IN PRINCIPLE, I AGREE WITH MS. LYNCH'S PROPOSAL.
I THINK IT IS A GOOD PROPOSAL.
I THINK PERHAPS MAYBE THE METHODOLOGY THAT WE NEED TO USE TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL SOUNDS TO ME LIKE FROM OUR COUNCIL'S ADVICE, MIGHT NEED TO BE DONE IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
BUT IN SPIRIT, IN CONCEPT, I AGREE WITH MS. LYNCH'S PROPOSAL.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT ORDINANCE 15.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ACTION AND RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-758, APPROVING THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH BIRKHOFF HENDRIX, AND CARTER LLP, A QUALIFIED INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY FOR SERVICES RELATED TO THE REVENUE AND OR PROCESSING OF ENGINEERING PLANS, CONSTRUCTION PLANS, AND/OR INSPECTION OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS CONSTRUCTED BY PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT TO MEET THE CITIES ACTUAL COST REQUIREMENT ESTABLISHED UNDER LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 212.906.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER NO.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER NO AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CAUTURE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-758 PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[01:50:01]
MOTION CARRIES 3:1.>> WE'LL ADD ON FUTURE AGENDA.
[LAUGHTER] I GOT STAFF DIRECTION.
>> THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE THE ITEM 19.
[19. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NO. 850 APPROVING A PLAT SUBMITTAL CALENDAR TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR AND/OR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND UPDATED AS NEEDED.]
CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 850, APPROVING A PLOT SUBMITTAL CALENDAR TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR AND/OR THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND UPDATED AS NEEDED.MR. ROSSEN YOU'LL EXPLAIN THIS?
>> YES. A LOT OF CITIES AROUND US HAVE A PLOT SUBMITTAL CALENDAR.
YOU HAVE THE SHOCK CLOCK NOW, THE 30-DAY SHOCK CLOCK FOR EACH PHASE.
>> EXPLAIN WHAT A PLOT SUBMITTAL IS.
>> WHENEVER A DEVELOPER SUBMITS A PRELIMINARY PLAT, WE HAVE LIKE 30 DAYS TO ACT ON THAT.
THE FIRST 30 DAYS IT HAS TO GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING.
THEN THE NEXT 30 DAYS IT HAS TO GO TO IF YOU ASK ME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
THEN FINAL PLOT WOULD BE THE SAME THING, 30 DAYS AND THEN 30 DAYS.
WHAT THIS IS DOING IS THIS IS GIVING US A CALENDAR OF WHEN YOU CAN SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATION.
IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE CERTAIN DATES.
DATES CERTAIN OF WHEN MEETINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.
WE FOUND OUT DURING THE PANORAMA THING, IT WAS DRINKING FROM A FIREHOSE, JUST TRYING TO MEET CERTAIN DATES BASED ON THE WAY THE HOLIDAYS FELL AND EVERYTHING.
WE WENT THROUGH THIS CALENDAR.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE KINKY THERE AND THE MAY 23RD SECTION, THERE'S TWO THAT WAS DONE ON PURPOSE BECAUSE OF ELECTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MET THE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THOSE AREAS SO WE CAN HIT MEETING DATES ON CERTAIN AVENUES.
THIS IS JUST REALLY JUST HELP PLANNING AND ZONING.
WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH SOMETIMES GETTING PLANNING AND ZONING QUORUM, SO THIS HELPS OUT WITH THAT.
THEN IT'S DATE CERTAIN FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
IF THEY MEET THIS DEADLINE, THEY KNOW WHEN THEY ARE EXACTLY GOING TO PLANNING AND ZONING WHEN THEY GO INTO COUNCIL MEETINGS.
IT'S JUST HELPFUL FOR THE DEVELOPER'S, HELPFUL FOR US.
IT'S JUST HELPFUL FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.
>> EXHIBIT I, IS THIS SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE TIME ON HERE?
>> JUST ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION.
IN THE EVENT THAT A MEETING GETS RESCHEDULED, DOES THE CALENDAR STILL HOLD AS PASSED IN THE ORDINANCE?
>> WERE HOPING NONE OF THESE MEETINGS GETS RESCHEDULED AND IT'S ALL DEPENDENT UPON WHETHER SOMETHING IS EVEN SUBMIT IT TO.
WE'RE NOT GETTING SUBMITTALS EVERY DAY FOR STUFF LIKE THIS.
IT'S JUST WHENEVER IF IT'S SUBMITTAL DATE, WE'LL KNOW AHEAD OF TIME WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THAT WAY WE'RE NOT RUSHING TO FIND A DATE OR SOMETHING.
IF WE DO NEED TO MOVE IT, WE CAN THEN FIND SOMETHING THAT WORKS WITHIN TIMEFRAMES.
WE'LL HAVE AT LEAST SOME SORT OF TIMEFRAME TO LOOK WITH IT.
IT WAS JUST REALLY STAFF PLANNING TOOL AND HELPING EVERYONE OUT.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 850, PROVING A PLAT SUBMITTAL CALENDAR TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR AND/OR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND UPDATED AS NEEDED.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER I51.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM TERRY LYNCH TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 850 AND A SECOND FROM TODD THAT ALSO TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 850.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THEN I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES 4-0.
[20. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NO. 851 APPROVING THE SEPTEMBER 2023 CITY FEE SCHEDULE AMENDMENT IN COMPLIANCE WITH NEW LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 212.906 AND TO REMOVE ELEMENTS REPEALED BY ORDINANCE NO. 840, MARCH 21, 2023.]
WE'LL GET THERE, FOLKS.[01:55:02]
CONSIDERATION AND OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 851, APPROVING A SEPTEMBER 2023 CITY BE SCHEDULED AMENDMENT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 212 NANOSECONDS, AND TO REMOVE ELEMENTS REPEALED BY ORDINANCE NUMBER 840, MARCH 21ST, 2023.>> THAT'S THE MOST I'VE TALKED ABOUT COUNSELING IN A WHILE [LAUGHTER] WHEN AMY AND I WERE GOING THROUGH THE FEE SCHEDULE HERE, WE CAME ACROSS SOME THINGS THAT WE COULDN'T FIND BACKUP INFORMATION FOR, ONE WAS A 7% SURCHARGE.
WE COULDN'T FIND ANY BACKUP INFORMATION.
IT FOUND ITS WAY ON THERE AND ABOUT 2011 IS WHEN WE FOUND I THINK IT'S THE LAST ONE WE CAN FIND.
WE DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WAS ON THERE, BUT SINCE WE REMOVED THAT SECTION THERE. COMING DOWN.
ANY PROJECTS PERMANENT THAT WE THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN ON THERE COMING DOWN TO PUBLIC WORKS INSPECTION FEES.
THAT'S JUST NOW GOING TO BE THE SCHEDULE A ATTACHED TO HERE.
THAT'S THE THIRD PARTY SCHEDULED NOW.
THEN WHAT WE DID WITH THE SEWER CONNECTION AND THE WATER FEE THERE, WHAT WE DID WAS WE BROKE THAT OUT TO SEE ORDINANCE 840 THAT WAS BREAKING THAT OUT OF THE FEE SCHEDULE.
THAT WAY WE HAVE A SPECIFIC ORDINANCE TIED TO THAT.
>> SINCE YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE ALREADY COVERING RATHER THAN HAVING IT IN TWO PLACES AND GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ERROR.
I'LL TAKE IT OUT OF YOUR FEE SCHEDULE, LEAVE IT IN THE WATER AND SEWER, COORDINATE ACCORDINGLY.
>> ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION? THEN I WOULD ACCEPT A MOTION.
YOU HAD A QUESTION ON THE SCHEDULE.
>> WELL, I JUST CLARIFYING ABOUT WHAT WAS JUST SAID ABOUT THE UTILITY FEES.
I SEE SEWER SERVICE, I SEE SOLID WASTE, I SEE WATER METERS.
THERE IT IS. YOU DO REFER TO THE ORDINANCE. GOT IT.
NOW MY QUESTION ABOUT THE NEW FEES RELATED TO THE SERVICES.
BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT OUR STAFF DOING WORK RELATED TO THESE PROJECTS.
HOW WILL WE CAPTURE THAT OR WILL WE BE CAPTURING THAT IN ANY WAY ONCE WE GET TO THE NEW PROJECTS?
>> WELL, IF WE GET PROJECTS WE'LL PROBABLY DO IF THERE'S QUESTIONS OR SOMETHING THAT THESE DEVELOPERS HAVE, WE'LL START TRACKING THAT.
IF GARY'S TIME OR SOMETHING WILL START TRACKING THAT THAT WAY WE CAN SEE BECAUSE THE WAY THE LAW WAS WRITTEN AS WE HAD TO GIVE THEM AN ESTIMATE OF THE ACTUAL HOURS AND TIME. I KNOW THE PULL THAT.
>> ACTUAL COST IS EITHER GOING TO BE THE ACTUAL STAFF TIME AND THEIR SALARIES AND THAT WILL BE POSTED ON THE
>> WEBSITE. BUT WE ALSO HAD TO GIVE AN ESTIMATE AT SOME POINT WITH THOSE HOURS THAT IT WAS GOING TO COST AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I THOUGHT TOO UNDER THAT STATUTE.
>> WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO APPORTION IT.
IT'S EITHER ACTUAL COST OF THE STAFF BY BROKEN DOWN AND POSTED FOR IT WAS A CONST QUALIFIED THIRD PARTY WHICH CHARGES FOR THESE SERVICES.
>> WE'LL KEEP TRACK OF THAT AND SEEING IF WE DO NEED TO ADD ARE STUFFED INTO IT.
IF WE'RE SPENDING MORE STAFF TIME THAN WE NEED TO BE DOING ON THAT.
>> BECAUSE AGAIN, I CAN SEE YOURS AND MR. MACHADO'S TIME GOING TO THESE FUNCTIONS.
>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STILL BE INVOLVED.
>> I WANT I'M GOING TO GET PAID FOR IT [LAUGHTER]
>> I THINK THE PROBLEM WAS WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT DIFFERENT ONES, THEY WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THAT WAS THE HARD TIME, HARD TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH TIME, HOW MUCH TIME WAS GOING TO BE INVOLVED WITH EACH ONE OF THEM WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE STATUTE AND WHAT WAS REQUIRED UNDER THE STATUE.
>> IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS AND AS TIME GOES ON, YOU WILL IMPROVE IT AND MAKE IT BETTER.
>> WE'RE NOT LIKE THE BIG CITIES THAT HAVE ALL THE NICE FANCY SOFTWARE THAT CAN TRACK EVERY LAST MINUTE OF THE DAY, OF EVERY PROJECT, BUT WE WE TRY OUR HARDEST TO GET THE TIMES PRETTY GLOVES.
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>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION?
>> MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 851, APPROVING THE SEPTEMBER 2023 CITY FEE SCHEDULE AMENDMENT IN COMPLIANCE WITH NEW LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 212 GOT 906 AND TO REMOVE ELEMENTS REPEALED BY ORDINANCE NUMBER 840, MARCH 21, 2023.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I SECOND THE MOTION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BURNOUT TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 851.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ORDINANCE NUMBER 851, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANYONE OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES 4-0. THANK YOU.
[21. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NO. 852 AUTHORIZING EXPENDITURES AND APPROVING AMENDMENT(S) TO THE FY 2022-2023 OPERATING BUDGET.]
OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 852, AUTHORIZING EXPENDITURES AND APPROVING AMENDMENTS TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2022-2023 OPERATING BUDGET.MR. SAVAGE, I'LL SEE YOU THERE.
>> I'M HERE, COUNCIL. THIS IS A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM HERE AT THE YEAR END.
WE HAVE THREE ACCOUNTS THAT CUP AROUND ALL YEAR HOPING THAT THAT WE WOULDN'T EXCEED THE BUDGET.
HOWEVER, WE DID HAVE SOME INCREASED EXPENSES AFTER THE BUDGET WAS PREPARED.
WE PASS THE BUDGET IN APRIL 22ND, AND THEN AFTERWARDS, WE GOT SOME INCREASES FROM NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT FOR WATER RATES AND THE WASTEWATER.
THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE THE BUDGET TO REFLECT THOSE INCREASES.
THEN ALSO WE'VE HAD AN INCREASE LEGAL FEES IN THE WATER DEPARTMENT OVER THE YEAR.
IN TOTAL, THIS WOULD INCREASE 140,000 IN THE WASTEWATER FUND
>> IT'S ONE OF THOSE DAYS. [LAUGHTER]
>> MR. SAVAGE AND I DID TALK ABOUT THESE ITEMS. I THINK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGETS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT ON THE WATER PURCHASE AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT COST AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT.
WITH RESPECT TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND INCREASED LEGAL FEES, JUST A CLARIFICATION.
WE HAD A CONSULTING ATTORNEY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY ON STAFF.
DID THAT AFFECT THAT NUMBER AS WELL?
>> YES, MA'AM. THAT IS CORRECT.
IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PERSONNEL COSTS, WILL HAVE THE SAVINGS AND THE PERSONNEL COST SECTIONS TO COVER THAT.
THIS IS IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
WE LOOK AT THIS AND I START GETTING WORRIED ABOUT, MY GOODNESS, THAT'S $140,000 MORE EXPENSES, BUT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THE REVENUES.
>> BUDGET, I GENERALLY LOOK AT REVENUES AND EXPENSES.
DO WE HAVE THE ADDITIONAL REVENUES THAT WILL BE COMING IN TO COVER THESE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES?
>> YES, MA'AM. YOU ARE CORRECT THERE ALSO.
WE DO HAVE AROUND $1 MILLION AS OF NOW, EXCESS REVENUE THAT WE HAD IN THE WATER FUND FROM OUR WATER CELLS BECAUSE OF USAGE, BECAUSE OF A RATE INCREASE THAT WE HAD A FEW MONTHS AGO.
OUR REVENUES ARE HIGHER IN THE WATER FUND, WASTEWATER FUND. WE'RE IN THE SAME BOAT.
WE USE MORE WATER, SO OBVIOUSLY, THE WASTEWATER GOES UP AS WELL.
THOSE RATES ARE HIGHER AND WE HAD THE RATE INCREASE AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE DID THE WATER RATE INCREASE.
OUR REVENUES ARE DEFINITELY HIGHER TO COVER THESE EXPENSES.
>> JUST FYI, THE AUGUST NUMBERS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS.
[LAUGHTER] THAT WE HIT THAT NEW HIGH ON.
THAT STARTS THE NEW FISCAL YEAR FOR THEM.
>> WHAT STARTS THE NEW FISCAL YEAR?
>> AUGUST 1ST IS THEIR NEW FISCAL YEAR.
>> YEAH. I THINK IT'S AUGUST, THOUGH OUR WATER YEAR IS AUGUST 1ST. I CAN'T REMEMBER.
>> YEAH, FOR THE TAKER PAY. [OVERLAPPING] IT'S AUGUST 1ST IS OUR.
[OVERLAPPING] THE AUGUST NUMBER
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IT'S HARD TO KEEP ALL THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY ON A CALENDAR YEAR FOR THEIR BUDGET.I CAN'T REMEMBER IT'S ALL DIFFERENT THINGS.
>> THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
>> NO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION?
>> MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 852, AUTHORIZING EXPENDITURES AND APPROVING AMENDMENTS TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2020/2023 OPERATING BUDGET.
>> MADAM MAYOR I SECOND THE MOTION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER NOE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 852, APPROVING THE BUDGET AMENDMENT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ORDINANCE NUMBER 852 PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANY OPPOSED? ORDINANCE NUMBER 852 PASSES 4-0.
PARKER PARKS AND RECS COMMISSION IS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE
[22. PARKER PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION ANNUAL REVIEW.]
SO RESOLUTION TO DO AN ANNUAL REVIEW FOR COUNCIL.MR. DACOSTA IS THE CHAIR OF PARKS AND RECS AND HE HAD SOME MEMBERS HERE, BUT I THINK THEY GAVE UP ENOUGH. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK WE LOST THEM, YES. [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE WATCHING HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE.
I'M THE CHAIRPERSON FOR PARKS AND REC.
WE WANTED TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR INVOLVEMENT WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE DO.
THERE IS A PACKET OR DOCUMENT IN YOUR PACKET THAT DESCRIBES OUR ANNUAL REVIEW FOR WHAT WE DID OVER THE PAST YEAR. I'M NOT GOING TO READ THAT.
YOU CAN DO THAT AT YOUR LEISURE, BUT I'LL JUST HIT A COUPLE OF THE HIGH POINTS.
WE CERTAINLY DID PARKER FEST 2022 LAST TIME, AROUND IN EXCESS OF 500 VISITORS, LIVE MUSIC, ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
WE'RE BUSILY WORKING ON PARKER FEST 2023, SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT ALL WE DO. WE HANDLE WILDFLOWERS.
WE HAVE A NICE WILDFLOWER PATCH BACK NEAR THE GAZEBO THAT HAS BEEN GROWING.
IT'S THRIVING. IT'S A GREAT SPOT.
WE KNOW WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING DOING WEDDING PICTURES AND GRADUATION PICTURES AND WHATNOT THERE.
WE LOVE MAKING SURE THAT LOOKS REALLY GOOD AND IT'S DOING VERY WELL.
LAST YEAR WE HAD EARTH DAY 2023.
WE DID TWO THINGS DURING THAT.
WE DID OUR GREAT AMERICAN CLEANUP, WHICH WE DO ANNUALLY.
WE ALSO DID WHAT WE CALL OUR WILDFLOWER WORKDAY.
WE GOT A BUNCH OF EAGER VOLUNTEERS.
WE PUT PLASTIC BAGS IN THEIR HANDS AND GRIPPERS AND YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
[LAUGHTER] WE GOT OUT THERE AND PULL UP A BUNCH OF GARBAGE AND THEN WE SEND A BUNCH OF THEM OVER TO WORK IN THE WILDFLOWER AREA.
THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR US AND WE'LL PROBABLY DO ANOTHER BIRTHDAY THING THE NEXT TIME AROUND. PARK BENCHES.
WE WENT OUT AND THANKS TO A GIFT FROM THE PARKER WOMEN'S CLUB, WE HAD MONEY TO BUY SOME PARK BENCHES AND CITED THEM, AND GARY'S TEAM WENT AND INSTALLED THEM AND THEY LOOK GORGEOUS AND A GREAT PLACE TO SIT AND REST AFTER YOU'VE WALKED FOR LOOP.
THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. SIGNAGE. THAT'S ANOTHER PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
GENERALLY, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE PARK MORE BEAUTIFUL AND MORE ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE COMING.
WE'VE DONE SOME SIGNAGE FOR A WHILE.
WE'VE HAD THAT SIGN IN THE FRONT WITH THE PICTURE OF THE MAP OF THE TRAIL AND EVERYTHING INFORMATION ABOUT THE PRESERVE.
THIS PAST YEAR WE PUT THE ONE BACK AND THE GRAY LANE PARKING AREA BECAUSE WE HADN'T PUT THAT ONE UP YET.
THEN JUST GENERAL MAINTENANCE, WE KEEP OUR EYES OPEN FOR THINGS THAT ARE BREAKING DOWN THAT NEED ATTENTION FROM THE CITY.
WE ALSO SEND OUR PEOPLE TO CONFERENCES.
KEEP TEXAS BEAUTIFUL IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT WE BELONG TO.
WHEN THEY HAVE A CONFERENCE, WE WILL SEND OUR PEOPLE THERE FOR CONTINUING EDUCATION, SO WE STAY UP ON THE EDGE.
I'LL READ THIS. THE COMMISSION WISHES TO THANK THE MAYOR, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE ABLE CITY STAFF AND DEPARTMENT HEADS, AS WELL AS THE MANY CITIZENS WHO VOLUNTEERED THEIR TIME AND EFFORT AND THOSE BUSINESS LEADERS WHO HAVE SPONSORED OUR VARIOUS EVENTS, WE COULD NOT ACHIEVE VERY MUCH IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CHEERFUL GENEROSITY OF THOSE WHO VALUE THE CITY OF PARKER THE WAY WE DO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS? [OVERLAPPING]
>> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONFIDENCE?
>> YEAH. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO JUST ECHO
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THAT SENTIMENT AND JUST THANK YOU AND ALL THE VOLUNTEERS WHO HAVE DONE SUCH GREAT THINGS FOR THE PARK AND THE PRESERVE AT THE PARKER FEST AND ALL THE ACTIVITIES AND PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE WORKED ON.IT JUST MAKES PARKER A BEAUTIFUL PLACE AND I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
>> YEAH. THE BLUEBONNETS WERE GORGEOUS.
YOU ALL HAVE JUST EXCEEDED OUR EXPECTATIONS.
YOU EVEN HAVE EXTRA VOLUNTEERS, NOT JUST THE COMMISSION BUT PEOPLE, BUT EXTRA VOLUNTEERS THAT COME IN AND ARE ENGAGED IN THAT.
THANK YOU. [OVERLAPPING] THANK YOU.
>> FRANK. I THINK THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF FOR PARKER FEST IN MY OFFICE TOO. LAST YEAR.
[LAUGHTER] I THINK THERE'S ABOUT FIVE OR SIX BOXES.
NOT SURE HOW THEY ENDED UP IN MY BOX IN MY OFFICE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW I ENDED UP IN THERE.
I'LL GET WITH YOU GUYS ON THAT.
>> WE NEED TO HAVE A TRANSACTION ABOUT THAT.
>> THANK YOU, FRANK. DO WE NEED TO ACCEPT THE ANNUAL REVIEW? I NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT PARKS AND RECS ANNUAL REVIEW.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE PARKS AND RECS ANNUAL REVIEW.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I SECOND THE MOTION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER NOE TO ACCEPT PARKS AND RECS ANNUAL REVIEW.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND IF YOU WISH TO ACCEPT PARKS AND RECS ANNUAL REVIEW.
THANK YOU, FRANK. ITEM NUMBER 23,
[23. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2023-755 APPROVING THE PURCHASE OF A NEW STRUCTURAL FIREFIGHTING PUMPER FIRE TRUCK FROM DACO FIRE EQUIPMENT UNDER ITS HGAC (#FS12- 19) AND BUYBOARD (#651-21) CONTRACT PRICING AS REPLACEMENT FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT VEHICLE ENGINE 811 AND AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF THE RELATED CONTRACT DOCUMENTS. [POSTPONED – 2023 0815]]
CONSIDERATION AND ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-755, APPROVING THE PURCHASE OF A NEW STRUCTURAL FIREFIGHTING FIRE TRUCK FROM DAYCO FIRE EQUIPMENT UNDER A FGAC FS1219 AND BAR BOARD, NUMBER 651-21.CONTRACT PRICING IS REPLACEMENT FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT VEHICLE ENGINE IDLE 11, AND AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF THE RELATED CONTRACT DOCUMENTS.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME BACK FOR A SECOND TIME.
THEY SAY I BROUGHT THE CHIEF KENDRICK, WITH ME TODAY.
HE'S HERE, HE'S LIAISED WITH A NUMBER OF THE VARIOUS VENDORS AND HE CAN CONTRIBUTE AS WE SEE FIT.
LET ME START WITH THE FOLLOWING.
I LEFT EVERYONE A POWERPOINT SLIDE DECK.
BASICALLY IT BRIEFLY OUTLINES, REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, TO GO OVER SOME OF THE STUFF HE WENT THROUGH LAST TIME, BUT LET ME START WITH TWO OVERARCHING COMMENTS.
LET ME START WITH TWO OVERARCHING COMMENTS AND I CAN GET IT TO THIS.
THEN YOU WILL FIND, I WILL GO OFF ON TANGENTS AS I GO THROUGH THIS ANYWAY, AND THEN WE'LL ANSWER QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY AS YOU ASK THEM.
NUMBER 1 IS, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO BUY A FIRE TRUCK FOR DELIVERY NOW.
WE'VE COMMUNICATED IT TO COUNCIL, THROUGH THE LAST FEW STRATEGIC WORKSHOPS, PLANNING WORKSHOPS.
WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO BUY IN 2025.
BY BUYING IN 2025, WE START TO SPREAD OUT THE TIME FRAME BETWEEN, OUR TWO MAIN PIECES OF APPARATUS.
SO WE'RE NOT ALL BUYING AT THE SAME TIME OR WE DON'T HAVE OLD APPARATUS THE SAME TIME.
WHAT'S CHANGED, IS THAT THE TIMING OF OBTAINING THE VEHICLE, IS NOW EXTENDED TO 2-3 YEARS AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WERE IN FRONT OF COUNCIL NOW.
THE OTHER COMMENT, OVERARCHING COMMENT, IS UNLIKE THE COMMERCIAL AUTOMOTIVE MARKET, WHICH IS HIGHLY EFFICIENT, THE FIRE TRUCK MANUFACTURING MARKET IS NOT.
I CAN LOOK ONLINE FOR AN F1, THE BLUE F150, WITH THE SAME FACTORY OPTIONS, ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, CHECK FOR THE LOWEST PRICE, AND I CAN BUY WITH THE CONFIDENCE THAT IT'S THE SAME VEHICLE, THAT'S SOMETHING I BOUGHT IT FROM A DEALER HERE IN FORT WORTH OR BY DALLAS.
I KNOW THAT THE DEALER, LOCAL, WILL BE ABLE TO SERVICE THAT VEHICLE, REGARDLESS OF WHERE I BUY IT.
THEN THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING IT SERVICED, OBVIOUSLY, IF WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE THE VEHICLE FOR PERSONAL USE, FOR OUR BUSINESS, USE IT ANYTIME.
FIRE DEPARTMENT, OF THE FIRE MANUFACTURING MARKET IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, IT'S DIRECTIONALLY OPPOSITE.
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OR A LIMITED NUMBER OF FIRE DEPARTMENT MANUFACTURERS, THE MANUFACTURERS THEMSELVES ARE QUITE DIVERSE.FIRST AND FOREMOST, THERE IS NO STANDARD FOR A FIRE TRUCK FROM ONE MANUFACTURER TO ANOTHER.
NFPA 1901, SOON TO BE 1,900 STEPS, THE MINIMUMS, BUT THOSE MINIMUM IS SET REALLY LOW.
BUT THAT'S THE STANDARD. THE BIBLE WARS AND THE AGE GAP, CONTRACTS ENABLE US TO ESTABLISH MINIMUM ALSO, WHICH THE VENDORS HAVE TO APPLY TO.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE VARIOUS MARKETPLACES, I HAVE A COMPANY THAT MAY HAVE A 25-YEAR FAMILY-OWNED BUSINESS, THAT PRODUCES COMMERCIAL CHASSIS.
THEY PRODUCE SOME CUSTOM CHASSIS, AND I LOOK AT ANOTHER COMPANY THAT PRODUCES 700 CHASSIS A YEAR.
THEY'RE 9001, ISO 9001 CERTIFIED, WHICH TELLS ME SIMILAR TO THE COMMERCIAL MARKETPLACE, THAT I HAVE THE SAME CONSISTENCY OF PRODUCTION, IN A FIRE TRUCK FROM THAT UNIT.
WHERE IS, I DON'T HAVE THAT SAME FROM A NON 9001 CERTIFIED COMPANY.
THE SECOND DIVERSITY, IS WITH RESPECT TO THE ABILITY TO SERVICE LOCALLY.
THE IMPORTANCE OF LOCAL SERVICING IS THAT, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS OVER THE DECADES I'VE BEEN WITH FIRE DEPARTMENT, IS THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING ABLE TO GET A SERVICE TECH OUT TO OUR FIRE STATION THE SAME DAY WE HAVE A PROBLEM, TO DIAGNOSE THE PROBLEM AND HOPEFULLY FIX THE PROBLEM WITHIN 24 HOURS, IF NOT SOONER.
IF THE PART ISN'T AVAILABLE WITH US, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE DEALER WE ACQUIRE THE VEHICLE FROM, OR IF IT'S USED THAT SERVICE THE VEHICLE FROM, IS WITHIN AN HOUR TO AN HOUR AND A HALF OF OUR LOCATION, SO WE CAN HAVE THAT VEHICLE IN SERVICE.
REMEMBER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A REPLACEMENT VEHICLE FOR A TRUCK.
WELL, WHEN THAT TRUCK GOES OUT OF SERVICE, THAT ENGINE BECOMES THE FIRE TRUCK FOR THE CITY, PERIOD.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT IF THAT FIRE TRUCK GOES DOWN, I NEED TO HAVE IT REPAIRED.
IMPORTANCE OF HAVING LOCAL DEALERSHIPS CANNOT BE UNDEREMPHASIZED OR OVEREMPHASIZED.
LASTLY, THE FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL OF THE SERVICING, AS WELL AS MOSTLY THE VENDOR WE'RE BUYING IT FROM.
THE OEM IS PARAMOUNT TO, WE'RE BUYING A 25-YEAR VEHICLE.
LOOKING OVER THE LIFE OF OUR CURRENT ENGINE, 811, WHICH WAS THE 2002, A LOT HAS HAPPENED TO THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY OVER THAT TIMEFRAME.
WE'VE SEEN GENERAL MOTORS GO BANKRUPT.
WE'VE SEEN CHRYSLER SOLD, GONE BANKRUPT, REINVENTED AS A EUROPEAN COMPANY.
AS A RESULT, WHAT I LOOK TO IS A FINANCIALLY SOUND OEM ALSO, AS THE THIRD COMPONENT.
THAT WAS MY OVERARCHING COMMENT.
NUMBER 1, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO BUY, NOW.
NUMBER 2, THE MARKET IS NOT THE SAME AS BUYING A COMMERCIAL APPARATUS OR COMMERCIAL VEHICLE.
FLEET REPLACEMENT, THIS IS SIMPLY A REVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I CAN GO THROUGH THIS REAL QUICKLY.
COMING UP CLOSELY TO 25-YEAR-OLD APPARATUS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IN CLASS SESSIONS, THE NEED TO HAVE THIS REPLACED.
THE FIRST, IT ALLOWS FOR THE SPACING OF THE VEHICLES.
SECOND, IT PERMITS US TO ALLOCATE ADDITIONAL FUNDS, IN THE NEXT YEAR TO TWO YEARS, TO PAY FOR A PART OF THIS.
LASTLY, DUE TO THE RAPID ESCALATING COSTS, INCLUDING CHANGES IN THE DIESEL EMISSION STANDARDS.
WE DO KNOW FOR A FACT THAT COME MID SUMMER, WE'RE BEING TOLD OF THE NEXT YEAR, THE ENGINES THAT WERE BEING QUOTED ON IN THIS YEAR, WON'T BE AVAILABLE.
WE'LL BE LOOKING AT ANOTHER TENS OF THOUSANDS MORE, IN A PRICE ESCALATION JUST DUE TO THE EMISSION STANDARDS, LET ALONE ESCALATION OF COSTS AND ALL THE OTHER COMPONENTS.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY AND NOT IN 2025.
LASTLY, JUST IN THE SUMMARY, THROUGH THE PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH, WE DID SPEAK TO OTHER FIRE TRUCK MANUFACTURERS, CHIEF KENDRICKS TO TALK TO THAT.
WE DID LOOK AT THE USED FIRE MARKET.
I'LL GO INTO THAT IN FURTHER DETAIL LATER, AND WE DID END UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR A ROSENBAUER PUMPER, THE ROSENBAUER NAME IS THE LAW.
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THEY GOT THE LARGEST, FIRE MANUFACTURING ENTITY IN THE WORLD.THEY PRODUCE 5,000 A YEAR, 700 JUST IN NORTH AMERICA ALONE HERE OUT OF THEIR PLANTS IN THE UNITED STATES.
THAT PROVIDES ME THE CONSISTENCY.
THEY HAVE THE FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL, TO BE HERE FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS TO HELP US, IF WE NEED HELP WITH THAT VEHICLE IN SERVICING.
>> ON THE LAST SLIDE ON THE 875, WHAT DOES THAT REPRESENT?
>> EIGHT HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND.
>> OKAY, 875203, REPRESENTS THE COST TO THE CITY, FOR THE ROSENBAUER PUMPER, PAYABLE WHEN WE TAKE DELIVERY.
IF WE MAKE MILESTONE PAYMENTS PRIOR TO DELIVERY.
WE CAN REDUCE IT PROBABLY UP TO TEN, WE CAN BRING IT PROBABLY DOWN AND I'M ESTIMATING HERE ABOUT 800,000.
BUT THAT'S MAKING MILESTONE PAYMENTS WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE SIMPLY DELAY PROVIDE THE CITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THE MONEY ASIDE.
BUT THAT'S COUNCIL'S DECISION WHETHER YOU CAN DO IT THAT WAY.
>> WHAT WAS THE USED EQUIVALENT THAT YOU CAME UP WITH?
>> WHAT WAS THE USED PRICED AND HOW OLD WAS IT LIKE A FIVE-YEAR-OLD ONE, WE TALKED ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
WHAT WAS THAT PRICE COMPARED TO THAT?
>> WELL, LET'S GO THROUGH THAT THEN.
USE UNIT CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO JUST A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
LET'S SAY IT'S A 425,000 DOLLARS VEHICLE.
WHEN YOU BUY USED JUST TO MOVE UP TO THE US MARKET I CAN GO FORWARD. THERE WE GO.
THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT I TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN I LOOK AT USED OR TWO THINGS.
FIRST USE COMES AS AN AS-IS, WHERE IS NO WARRANTY PRACTICE.
THE UNKNOWNS ASSOCIATED WITH THE USED VEHICLE LET ME GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES, MAKE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS AN UNCOMFORTABLE RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE AND I WOULD NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR USE SOME EXAMPLES.
I CAN LOOK AT A PUMPER THAT HAS A FOAM CAPACITY, THAT FOAM CAPACITY ENABLES THE PUMPER TO PUMP FOAM WHEN WE HAVE FOAM ON OUR TRUCKS.
WHEN YOU PUMP FOAM, YOU HAVE TO FLUSH THE PUMPER AND FLUSH THE PIPING WITH WATER AFTERWARDS, BONUS CORROSIVE.
IF LEFT TO SIT, IT MEANS THAT I WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE A CHALLENGE AND MAINTENANCE WITH MY PLUMBING.
I CAN LOOK AT A FIRE TRUCK THAT IS NEW, I WILL GET A TEN YEAR WARRANTY ON THE PIPING.
I'M LOOKING AT A FIRE TRUCK THAT IS USED WHERE I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND AS A RESULT, I AM NOT RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR A 25 YEAR VEHICLE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO HERE.
WITHOUT A WARRANTY THAT COVERS US FOR THOSE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS OF BASICALLY WHEN THINGS BREAK, THERE ARE TWO WAYS WE CAN LOOK TO FIX IT.
WE CAN LOOK TO THE OEM WHO MANUFACTURED THE FIRE TRUCK, AND WE CAN LOOK TO THE OEM WHO MANUFACTURED THE PUMP, WHO MANUFACTURED THE CHASSIS, WHO MANUFACTURED THE ENGINE, THE DIESEL COMPANIES OR THE TRANSMISSION ALLISON.
NOW, WHEN YOU PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER ON A FIRE TRUCK, WHICH IS WHAT THE OEM DOES.
THEY MAKE DECISIONS, THEY MOVE THINGS AROUND, THEY ALTER THINGS, AND AS A RESULT, THE OE, THE ORIGINAL OEM ON BACK PUMP, THE ORIGINAL OEM ON THE TRANSMISSION IS GOING TO QUESTION WHETHER WHO MADE THE PROBLEM.
WE'VE SEEN THIS ALL THE TIME THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL.
WHAT IS IMPORTANT, HOWEVER, IS THAT I HAVE A DEALER THAT SAYS WE'LL DEAL WITH THE OEM WE'LL FIXTURE PROBLEM.
WE RAN INTO THIS FOR TWO YEARS WITH OUR OTHER LADDER TRUCK AND PIERCE, WHICH IS EQUALLY LARGE COMPANY, THE DEALER AND PIERCE AND WE WERE ON A PHONE CALLS, THE DEALER, PIERCE'S REP WE ALL WORKED THROUGH THE PROBLEMS. THE DEALER AND PIERCE PICKED UP THE ISSUE WE DIDN'T PAY WAS UNDER WARRANTY.
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WHAT PIERCE DID WITH THE OEMS THAT THEY BOUGHT FROM I DON T KNOW.THE IMPORTANT PART THERE WAS THEY HAD THE FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL TO SAY, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT OUR CUSTOMER IS SATISFIED BECAUSE OUR REPUTATIONS AT RISK.
IT'S A 25,000DOLLARS 30,000 DOLLARS, 100,000 DOLLARS FIXED.
THAT'S A ROUNDING ERROR FOR THEM.
I DO THAT IN MY BUSINESS YOU DO THAT IN YOUR BUSINESS.
THAT'S THE TYPE OF DEAL OR IF I'M LOOKING AT USED, I LOSE THAT ABILITY TOTALLY AND NOW WE'RE SIMPLY LIKE WE'RE ROLLING THE DICE ON.
PROBABLY NOT A GOOD CHOICE OF WORDS, BUT THAT WAS MY FEELING, IS YOU'RE ROLLING THE DICE OVER 25 YEARS AT CERTAIN THINGS WON'T HAPPEN BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE COST OF FIXING IT IF IT DOES AND THE FRAME OF REFERENCE I'M COMING FROM, IT'S NOT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
MAYBE WE'RE GOING TO BUY AT FIVE YEARS AND I'M SURE IT'S FINE.
IF IT'S A 2020 VEHICLE FOR FIVE YEARS, IT'S GOING TO WORK.
I'M NOT WORRYING FIVE-YEARS, BUT IT'S GOT TO WORK FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS BEYOND THAT AND IT'S TEN YEARS FROM NOW WHERE THE CITY IS GOING TO START EATING COST WHEN THESE THINGS START TO FAIL.
WE DID CHECK WITH THE PIERCE DEALER AND SAID, IF A TRANSMISSION FAILS ON OUR CURRENT PEERS, IT'LL COST.
WE FOUND OUT 50,000 DOLLARS TO YOU REPAIR.
IF THE PUMP FAILS, IT'LL COST 50,000 TO PUMP TRANSMISSION.
IT WILL COST 50,000 DOLLARS TO REPAIR THESE ARE NOT INSIGNIFICANT REPAIRS.
WE'VE LEARNED THAT THE PIPING CAN COST THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO REPAIR.
FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF USED IT TO ME, NOT THE COST IS THE OPPORTUNITY COST OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITHOUT THAT WARRANTY TEN YEARS FROM NOW, NOT TOMORROW, NOT THE NEXT DAY TEN YEARS FROM NOW.
I HOPE I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION IF NOT, I'LL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK.
>> WHAT'S THE NUMBER? HOW MUCH IS A USED ONE? THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW.
>> HOW MUCH WAS IT USED AND USED TO FIRE TRUCK?
>> WITH USE FIRE TRUCKS CAN GO FROM 425,000 USED FIRE TRUCKS AND GO FOR 100,000.
>> WELL, BECAUSE IN THE LAST MEETING WE WENT THROUGH THIS.
WE UNDERSTAND WE DEFINITELY NEED ONE, BUT WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THEY USED COST WAS WITH AN EXTENDED WARRANTY YOU DON'T.
>> YOU TAKE AN EXTENDED WARRANTY AT ALL.
>> NO WARRANTIES THESE ARE AS IS WHERE IS THERE ARE NO WARRANTY?
YOU'RE BUYING THROUGH A BROKER AND YOU'RE BUYING FROM ANOTHER FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THE OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENT IS NOT PROVIDING A WARRANTY, THERE IS NO WARRANTY. THE MANUFACTURER.
>> THERE ARE NO THIRD-PARTY COMPANIES THAT DO IT LIKE IN REGULAR CARS AND STUFF.
>> IS ONE YEAR ON THE CAB, FIVE-YEARS ON THE PUMP.
>> THERE'S NO THIRD-PARTY COMPANIES THAT DO IT LIKE ON FORD CARS WHEN THEY GET OLDER, YOU CAN.
>> I UNDERSTOOD OKAY. WE'RE 75 NEW LOCK STOCK AND BARREL AND THE USE ROOM IS APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH FOR A FIVE-YEAR-OLD UNIT.
>> FIVE-YEAR-OLD UNIT, PROBABLY ABOUT 400,000 TO 425,000 DOLLARS.
>> IS THE WARRANTIES THAT ON THE NEW ONE.
>> THE NEW FIRE TRUCK WARRANTIES ARE GOING TO VARY BY OEM, BUT THEY'RE GENERALLY THE FOLLOWING ONE YEAR ON THE CAB, FIVE-YEARS ON THE PUMP, THE PUMP IS A PASS-THROUGH.
YOU HAVE THE POWER TRAIN WHICH CAN GO FIVE YEARS, THE PIPING FOR ROSENBAUER IS 10 YEARS, IT COULD BE LESS FOR OTHER VENDORS.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S ONE YEAR ON THE MECHANICAL ASPECTS.
>> SUMMARIZED ON PAGE 308, JUST FOR REFERENCE.
>> FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF THE COST, I REMEMBER YOU SAID THAT AT SOME POINT IT GOES TO THE NEW ENGINE DUE TO ADMISSION STANDARDS AND THAT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF 90,000, I THINK.
>> WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT HIGH.
>> CHIEF KENDRICK HAS SOME CONVERSATIONS ON THAT.
I THINK THAT'S A COMPONENT OF A LARGE INCREASE, BUT THAT INCREASE INCLUDES MORE THAN JUST THAT PARTICULAR DIESEL ENGINE.
>> THOSE THAT HAVEN'T MET HIM USE HIS CHIEF KENDRICK.
>> CHIEF KENDRICK, CARRY OUT THIRD DIVISION CHIEF.
LIKE I SAID WITH THE NEW EMISSIONS, THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW EXACTLY, BUT IT'S ANYWHERE FROM ALMOST $100,000 THAT WERE POTENTIALLY COULD ADD TO THE COST OF IT IF WE DON'T ACT.
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NOW, SOMETHING ELSE TO JUST ADD TO IT WITH DAYCO ON THIS 875.THAT PRICE WAS GIVEN US TO US LIKE 6'1 AND ON THEIR CONTRACT THEY SAID THAT IT'S ONLY GOOD FOR 45 DAYS.
WE'VE TALKED WITH DAYCO, THEY HAVE WORKED WITH US AND THEY HAVE EXTENDED THIS OBVIOUSLY WAY PAST JULY 16TH.
THAT'S WHERE THEIR UNDERSTANDING TO WHERE WE WERE WANTING TO TRY TO GO AS FAR AS THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THE PRICE IS GOING TO GO UP, SO THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH US VERY WELL THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING BACK NOW TRYING TO GET THIS HOPEFULLY DONE.
>> PART OF THE ISSUE, NOT JUST JUMP AHEAD BUT JUMPING AHEAD, IS THAT YES, I KNEW IT WAS 6'1 AND IT WAS 815 IS WHEN THAT EXPIRED, BUT STILL IT'S IN OUR PACKET, SO IF WE APPROVE SOMETHING, IT'S STILL SAYS THAT PRICE IS ONLY GOOD THOUGH 815.
>> WE HAVE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT WITH DAYCO SAYING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HONOR THIS PRICE UNTIL BASICALLY IS ESSENTIALLY SAME AS THE BRUSH TRUCK.
>> THEY SEND US AN EMAIL SAYING HOW LONG THEY WILL HONOR THE PRICE.
>> BASICALLY, IF WE GET THE APPROVAL TODAY, WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING HAVE THE MAYOR SIGN IT AND THEY WILL HONOR THAT PRICE AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS.
>> WHAT YEAR WAS THE EMISSION STANDARDS CHANGE?
THE EMISSIONS AND COMMENTS AND PARTICULARLY IT'S GOING TO GO FROM THE ENGINES THEY PRODUCED TODAY.
I THINK I CALLED THEM THE X9 TO AN X10, THE X10 WILL BEGIN PRODUCTION IN 2024.
BUT THE DEALERS ARE, THE POINTS WERE BUYING IT FROM, CANNOT ORDER THE ENGINE WE HAVE TODAY THAT THE PRICE TODAY PASS THEY BELIEVE NEXT SUMMER.
STARTING NEXT SUMMER, THEY GOING TO BID OUT NEW FIRE TRUCKS BASED ON THE NEW ENGINES THAT ARE COMING OUT IN 2026.
>> FROM THE STANDPOINT OF COUNCILMAN [INAUDIBLE] QUESTION IS THAT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU BUY THE CHASSIS AND THEN ANOTHER GROUP BASICALLY STARTS PUTTING EVERYTHING ONTO IT.
THE QUESTION THEN IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT REALLY IS THAT QUOTE? WHAT YEAR IS THAT CHASSIS THAT WE'RE BUYING? IS IT A 2023, 2024?
>> ACTUALLY, I THINK IT SPELLS IT OUT THERE, WE'LL BE BUYING A 2024 CHASSIS FOR THE FIRE TRUCK.
>> WHEN WE SAY OUR CURRENT ONE IS FROM.
>> IT'S ACTUALLY 2001 CHASSIS [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE REFERRED TO IT AS 2001 OR 2002.
>> I WOULD CALL IT A 2002 CHASSIS BECAUSE IT RECENTLY BOUGHT IT.
WE BOUGHT IT NEW, SO THAT'S REALLY WHEN IT WAS PRODUCED AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE CHASSIS IS HOLDING THE WEIGHT OF THE VEHICLE, SO IT'S DRIVING.
THAT PROCESS DIDN'T START IN 2002.
>> LAST THING IS I KNEW THAT YOU HAD SAID WHEN WE TALKED, WAS THAT PART OF THE PUMPER TRUCK ITSELF AS SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT BASED UPON AS WELL, OUR AGREEMENT WITH NEIGHBORING CITIES IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ASSIST. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> WHY DID WE OUTFIT A PUMPER TODAY WITH A 2,000 PLUS GALLON PER MINUTE PUMP? THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS WHY.
BUT SPECIFICALLY WITH TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE ARE PART OF WHAT I CALL A STRATEGIC ALLIANCE WITH WILDLY WITH FAIRVIEW, WITH MURPHY, WITH LUCAS, I'M TALKING TO SOMEONE, OUR FIRST RESPONSE DISTRICT INCLUDES AREAS OF THOSE CITIES.
THOSE AREAS ARE NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL.
AS A RESULT, WE CAN FIND OURSELVES FIRST DO IN THOSE AREAS.
SECOND, BECAUSE OF OUR AGREEMENTS TO BACK EACH OTHER UP.
WHEN WE ARE BUSY, THEY BACK US UP AND WHEN THEY ARE BUSY WE WILL GO INTO THEIR FIRE STATION AND NOW WE ARE SITTING IN THEIR CITY WITH OUR FIRE TRUCK RESPONSIBLE NOT JUST FOR OUR CITY NOW, BUT FOR THEIR CITY.
WHEN WE LEAVE UNDERSTAND THAT WE GET BACKUP FROM PLAYING WITH OTHER PLACES TOO, SO WE DON'T LEAVE THE CITY NAKED, BUT WE ARE NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR A GREATER AREA THAN SIMPLY THE CITY OF PARKER.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE. WHEN WE OUTFITTED, WE HAVE TO OUTFIT A VEHICLE AS A CONTRIBUTOR TO WHAT IS REALLY
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AN EIGHT FIRE STATION CONGLOMERATION OR SYNDICATE OF INDEPENDENT AND INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS.BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR CITY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR OUR RESIDENCES THAT UNLESS YOU ARE BUILDING WITH IT EVERY 5,250 FEET UNDER HVAC, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN THE HOME.
ONE OF MY BIGGEST FAILURE AS FIRE CHIEF IS TO NOT TO GET THE CITY TO CHANGE THAT, THAT'S NOT THE POINT HERE.
I HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR HOMES AND I HAVE TO SAY, I HAVE A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME SAFE THAT I NEED TO PROTECT.
WHEN WE PUT FIRES OUT, IT COMES DOWN TO HOW MUCH WATER DO WE PUT ON THE FIRE TO ABSORB THE AMOUNT OF HEAT THAT'S BEING RELEASED.
ITS ENGINEERING, IT'S MECHANICAL, IS ARITHMETIC, AND IT'S A FORMULA AND BASICALLY FOR A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT FIRE, I'VE GOT TO HAVE 1,700 GALLONS PER MINUTE OF WATER.
IN ORDER TO EXTINGUISH THAT FIRE, FIRE PUMPS ARE RATED AT 150 PSI.
WHEN I SAY A RATING ON THE PLATE OF 2,250 SAY, THAT'S AT 150 PSI.
THE RATING, THE GALLONS PER MINUTE DROPS TO ROUGHLY 70-75% DEPENDING ON THE MANUFACTURER, AT 200 PSI AND IT DROPS FURTHER TO 50% OF THAT AT 250 PSI WITH THAT ASIDE.
NOW THE PROBLEM IS, IS I'VE GOT TO GET THE WATER FROM THE FIRE TRUCK.
FIRE HYDRANT HAS HOSE SUCH AS THE THE FIRE TRUCK, FIRE TRUCK HAS THE PUMP.
I GOT TO GET THE WATER FROM THE FIRE TRUCK TO THE FIRE.
IT GOES THROUGH FIRE HOSE, IT GOES THROUGH A NOZZLE.
EVERY TIME IT MOVES THROUGH SOMETHING, THERE'S FRICTION LOSS.
IF YOU HAVE A GARDEN HOSE, GREEN GARDEN HOSE AT HOME, YOU TAKE THE NOZZLE OFF THE END, AND YOU TURN IT UP AS HIGH AS YOU CAN.
YOU GET A NICE LITTLE STREAM, IT GOES OUT 10 FEET.
YOU PUT A KICK IN THAT FIRE HOSE, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU FORCE PRESSURE, AND THE STREAM DOESN'T LOOK AS PRETTY AND IT DOESN'T GO AS FAR.
WE HAVE THE SAME ISSUES IN FIRE.
IN ORDER TO PLACE 1,700 GALLONS OF WATER PERMITTED ON A FIRE, GIVEN THE STRETCH BETWEEN OUR STREETS AND WHERE THESE HOMES ARE ON A 200 FOOT HOSE, JUST ONE HOSE 200 FOOT.
IF I WANT TO FLOW 180 GALLONS A MINUTE, WHICH IS ABOUT WHAT I CAN GET OUT OF THE NOZZLE OF ONE OF OUR FIREHOSE IS THAT WE TAKE INTO A HOUSE.
I HAVE TO PUMP IT 180 PSI AND GO THROUGH ALL THE MATH, BUT IT'S 180 PSI.
I'M ALREADY HALFWAY TO MY 200 OR I'VE SAID WE'VE NOW AT 70%, WHICH IS 1,700 SQUARE FEET, 1,700 IS ABOUT WHERE THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
I'M LOOKING AT THE REALITY OF WHAT I HAVE AND THEN I SAY, OKAY, SO I NEED A 2,250 GALLON MINUTE BUMP.
IT DOESN'T ADD A LOT OF MONEY TO THE ULTIMATE COST.
IT'S PROBABLY $10,000 BETWEEN A 2000 GALLONS PER MINUTE PUMPING AT 2,250, BUT IT GIVES ME THAT FLEXIBILITY TO MANAGE FIRES IN OUR LARGE HOMES.
WE'VE HAD A LARGE LOSS FIRE TWO YEARS AGO.
IT WAS AN 8,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME.
WE COULD NOT EVEN PUT THAT MUCH WATER ONTO THE FIRE AND IT JUST CONSUME THE HOME.
OUR JOB IS TO LIFE SAFETY FIRST, PROPERTY CONSERVATION SECOND.
WE'LL GET THE PEOPLE OUT, DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME.
BUT IT IS LITERALLY SCIENCE AS TO WHETHER I CAN PUT THE FIRE OUT OR NOT, AND IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT SCIENCE, WE HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH GALLONS PER MINUTE FLOWING IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
>> HOW MUCH CAN I GET OUT OF OUR CURRENT UNIT WHEN WE SELL IT IN 2025?
>> HOW MUCH CAN WE GET OUT OF THE?
>> WHEN WE SELL OUR FIRE TRUCK.
>> WE CAN GET MAYBE 50,000, 40,000, WHICH DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE 875.
>> I GUESS PART OF THE DISCUSSION TOO IS WHEN DOES IT ACTUALLY GET DELIVERED? WE'RE TALKING OF 2025 BUT IT'S ALREADY MID SEPTEMBER OF 2023.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MID SEPTEMBER 2025? [OVERLAPPING]
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I MEAN THERE ARE SO MANY UNCERTAINTIES WHEN THE CHASSIS ARE AVAILABLE, WHEN THE PUMP IS AVAILABLE, WHEN THE COMPONENTS THAT GO INTO THIS ARE AVAILABLE.
USING A VENDOR WHO IS BUYING AND PRODUCING 700 OF THESE A YEAR, THEY HAVE BUYING POWER, I CAN GET IT FASTER THAN I CAN THROUGH A SMALLER VENDOR, THAT'S MY EXPECTATION BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU IN TWO YEARS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S AVAILABLE EARLIER AND WE DON'T WANT IT EARLIER.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUSH IT TO THE 24 MONTH PERIOD?
>> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE.
I THINK IT'D BE DIFFICULT TO DO THAT TO BE HONEST BUT WE'RE BEING TOLD CONSISTENTLY THAT THE TIME-FRAME FOR DELIVERY IS ABOUT TWO YEARS.
I'VE HEARD THREE YEARS FROM OTHERS BUT TWO YEARS SEEMS TO BE WHAT WE'RE HEARING CONSISTENTLY.
>> IF WE EXECUTE IT TODAY, THEN WE HAVE 30-60 DAYS WHEN WE ACTUALLY DO A BUILD PROCESS, WE WILL GO UP TO THE MANUFACTURER, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD THEN WE WILL COME BACK, EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD SIGN IT AND THAT IS WHEN THE TO A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS WE'LL ACTUALLY START FOR THE BUILDING OF THE APPARATUS? WE'RE LOOKING IN 30-60 DAYS, WE'RE LOOKING PROBABLY NOVEMBER MAYBE WHEN THEY ACTUALLY MIGHT START SO I WOULD PROBABLY WOULDN'T FIGURE IT'S GOING TO BE PASSED THE TWO-YEAR MARK.
I WOULD SAY WE WOULDN'T SEE THIS APPARATUS FOR PROBABLY TILL DECEMBER, JANUARY TIME-FRAME WOULD BE MY A ROUGH GUESS. THIS ONE WE WOULD SEE.
>> YOU'RE BASICALLY GETTING INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR AFTER THAT.
SOMETHING WE'VE NOT TALKED ABOUT ARE THE STOCK PURCHASES.
IN OTHER WORDS, WHY DON'T WE JUST BUY OUT-OF-STOCK? THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY BOUGHT IT, WE BOUGHT OUR LAST TWO VEHICLES OUT-OF-STOCK.
WHERE YOU BUY IT OUT-OF-STOCK YOU THEN CUSTOMIZE IT FURTHER THE SMALL NEEDS YOU CAN FOR THE CITY AND IT GOES INTO FINAL PRODUCTION AND WE CAN GET IT.
THE CHALLENGE OF STOCK IS ROSENBAUER RIGHT NOW IS NOTHING AVAILABLE FOR STOCK.
I THINK I MENTIONED TO I SPOKE TO ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID THERE IS A MANUFACTURER OF FAMILY OR MANUFACTURER DOWN IN MISSISSIPPI, DEEP SOUTH THAT HAS A STOCK VEHICLE FOR $725,000.
>> CHIEF, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT THE INFORMATION FROM DEEP SOUTH INCLUDED THE CHASSIS, BUT THEN THE REST OF THE WHOLE ENTIRE FIRE TRUCK WOULD BE COMPLETELY CUSTOMIZABLE.
WOULD YOU CALL THAT A STOCK FIRE TRUCK OR WOULD THAT BE ACCUSTOMED FIRE TRUCK JUST FOR CLARITY?
>> WELL, STOCK FIRE TRUCKS ARE LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE A DEALER AND WE'RE GOING TO BUY A SPEC CAR AND THE DEALER WILL BUY IT FOR THIS WAY.
IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAYS, HEY, CAN YOU ADD THIS, CAN YOU ADD THAT AND THESE ARE THE DEALER OPTIONS, THAT WOULD BE A STOCK TYPE OF VEHICLE.
WELL, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IT WOULD BE A MORE CUSTOM IF HE'S JUST GETTING THE CHASSIS.
>> YEAH. THE INFORMATION FROM DEEP SOUTH WAS THAT IT WOULD BE A CHASSIS.
I THINK SPARTAN IS THE MANUFACTURER AND WITH CHASSIS.
>> WHEN WE WOULD BE BUYING FROM ALSO.
>> RIGHT. THEN EVERYTHING BEHIND THAT CHASSIS TO THE END OF THE FIRE TRUCK WOULD BE COMPLETELY CUSTOMIZABLE.
I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE THE CORRECT TERM TO USE AS CUSTOMIZE.
>> I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT WOULD BE.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT WAS $725,000.
HERE'S THE DILEMMA I HAVE WHICH IS WHY I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND PURCHASING THAT AND IT IS AS FOLLOWS.
IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
I HAVE A 25-YEAR LIFE ON THIS AND I LOOKED AT WHO THE VENDOR IS, THAT PARTICULAR VENDOR HAS A DEALER IN BEAUMONT, TEXAS, THAT'S THEIR TEXAS DEALER.
IT'S A 25-YEAR-OLD FAMILY-OWNED BUSINESS AND THAT'S WONDERFUL, I MOVE THAT ASIDE.
WE'RE ALL GOOD SHEPHERDS OF OUR CITY'S FUNDS.
EVERY MEMBER OF COUNCIL IS, THAT SOME OF MINE? I LOOK AT 25-YEAR LIFE, I AM IN THE FINANCIAL WORLD, I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS OVER GENERATION OF FINANCIAL CYCLES.
I LOOK TO ROSENBAUER OR PIERCE AND I SEE FINANCIAL STABILITY OVER THE LIFE OF OUR APPARATUS.
I ALSO LOOK TO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE LOCAL DEALER RIGHT HERE WITHIN HOURS, IT'S [INAUDIBLE].
AGAIN, CHECK THE BOX WITH RESPECT TO LOCAL SERVICE WHICH TO ME IS PARAMOUNT.
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CHECK THE BOX IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL TO BE HERE 25 YEARS, IT'S 150-YEAR OLD COMPANY.I'M FOCUSING ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY MORE RECOMMENDING BUT I COULD SAY THE SAME APPEARANCE IS ONLY OSHKOSH, ANOTHER MAJOR ORGANIZATION.
WHAT I LOOKED TOO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS THE ABILITY OF THE VENDOR TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC MARKETS TO RAISE DEBT IF THEY NEED TO PROVIDE LIQUIDITY FOR THEM TO CONTINUE.
I DEAL WITH A SMALL 25-YEAR-OLD FAMILY OWNED BUSINESSES DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT TYPE OF CAPITAL.
I'M LOOKING AT TODAY A ENVIRONMENT WITH HISTORICALLY HIGH INTEREST RATES AND I QUESTIONED SMALL BUSINESSES AND THEIR ABILITY TO SURVIVE OVER SEVERAL BUSINESS CYCLES.
THEREFORE, I LOOK TO THE LARGER ONES I'VE ONLY RECOMMENDED IN THE CITY PURCHASE FROM LARGE AMONG CRITICAL MASS VENDORS WHO HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO STAY IN SERVICE THEIR VEHICLE. YES, SIR.
>> THESE ARE YOUR TWO OPTIONS YOU'RE PROPOSING?
>> YEAH. THE OPTIONS ON PROPOSED WELL, WE HAVE ACTUALLY FOUR OPTIONS.
OPTION ONE IS WE DO NOTHING WE JUST KEEP THE C VEHICLE.
I DON'T RECOMMEND REFURBISHING BECAUSE NFPA SAYS AFTER 25 YEARS, WE DON'T WANT TO REFURBISH TAKE THAT OFF SO WE CAN KEEP THE OTHER ONE FOR SEVERAL MORE YEARS WITH THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WHAT IT COSTS TODAY, WHAT WILL IT COST TO REPLACE IT WILL GROW.
OPTION NUMBER 2 IS WE CAN BUY USED.
WE CAN BUY IT, WE CAN SPEND $420,000 ON AS-HIS WHERE-IS VEHICLE NOT KNOWING HOW IT WAS UTILIZED.
I'M BIASED IN HOW I'M JUST STRIKING AS I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT I'M TRYING TO ALSO PROVIDE THE FACTS AS I SEE THEM BECAUSE THAT'S MY JOB AND LASTLY, WE CAN BUY NEW.
IF WE'RE GOING TO BUY NEW, I'M NOT LOOKING TO BUY TOMORROW I'M LOOKING TO BUY TWO YEARS FROM NOW IF I CAN, THAT'S NUMBER 1.
BUT I STRONGLY RECOMMEND WE BUY FROM VENDORS WITH CRITICAL MASS, WE CHECK WITH PIERCE, WERE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PIERCE VEHICLES, WE'RE NOT PARTICULARLY HAPPY WITH HOW IT TURNED OUT.
WE ARE HAPPY WITH THE WARRANTY WORK THAT WAS DONE, WE KNOW THAT OUR NEIGHBORING FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN VARY HAPPY WITH THE ROSENBAUER NAME AND IT CHECKS MY BOXES FOR OTHERS.
I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE, I KNOW WE'RE ALL TIRED. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD ONE MORE.
>> COMMENT PLEASE. IN TERMS OF THE SPARTAN UNIT FROM THE DEEP SOUTH COMPANY, THEY HAD THE CHASSIS IN STOCK CURRENTLY AND WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE CUSTOMIZATION AND DELIVERY BY Q1 OF 2024.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY AN IMPORTANT POINT TO NOTE THAT IF WE DID INVESTIGATE THAT COMPANY FURTHER, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF OUR CITIES SOONER WITH A NEW FIRE TRUCK VERSUS WAITING THE POTENTIAL TWO TO THREE YEARS THAT I PROPOSE ROSENBAUER UNIT SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT COMMENT.
>> THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. MY RESPONSE TO THAT WOULD BE YOU ARE RIGHT WITH TWO EXCEPTIONS IF I MAY.
THE FIRST IS I'M NOT LOOKING TO BUY FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS BECAUSE IT STILL GIVES ME NOW 10 YEARS AND I'VE GOT TO HOLD FIRE TRUCKS OR 15 YEARS FROM NOW, I GOT TO HOLD FIRE TRUCKS.
AT THE SAME TIME WE JUST TAKE ANY FUTURE COUNCIL SINCE SAYING BECAUSE I KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
SECOND, I GO BACK TO THE VENDOR AND I'M LOOKING FOR FINANCIAL STABILITY IN THAT VENDOR.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT FINANCIALLY STABLE, I HAVE NOT INVESTIGATED THAT, I AM TELLING YOU 25-YEAR-OLD COMPANIES THAT PRODUCE REGIONAL FIRE TRUCKS THAT DON'T HAVE MASSIVE DEALERSHIPS IN TEXAS ARE NOT WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND EVEN $700,000.
>> ALSO, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT TOO WHEN YOU DO WITH THE DEEP SOUTH, YOU'RE DEALING WITH TWO DIFFERENT VENDORS, YOU HAVE A SPARTAN CHASSIS AND THEN YOU HAVE THEIR CUSTOM CAB ON THE BACK.
WHAT HAPPENS IS IN THE HISTORY OF SOME OF THE THINGS IS THE DEEP SOUTH MIGHT SAY, HEY, IT'S THE CHASSIS AND THE SPARTAN MIGHT SAY NO, IT'S DEEP SOUTH.
NOW WE'RE IN A FIGHT BETWEEN GOING BACK-AND-FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO VENDORS.
WITH ROSENBAUER FROM THE FRONT BUMPER TO THE BACK BUMPER, IT'S 100 PERCENT ROSENBAUER.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU CAN SIT THERE AND GO BLAME ONE COMPANY FOR ANOTHER COMPANY BECAUSE THAT POTENTIALLY HAS HAPPENED FOR NUMEROUS PEOPLE.
THEY HAVE SAID, YEAH, YOU HAVE SPARTAN'S SAY NO OR THEY PUT TOO MUCH WEIGHT ON IT, THAT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM BUT THE WAY THEY BUILT THE CUSTOM CABINET LIKE YOUR OTHER CUSTOM BOX IN THE BACK.
WELL, IT'S WHO SO WHO? THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING AND WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID PUTTING US IN
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THAT PREDICAMENT WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO BLAME AND GET IT TO BE FIXED.DOES THAT HELP YOU A LITTLE BIT ON SOME OF THAT?
>> IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR TWO SHERIFF OR CHIEF KENDRICKS? OKAY. THANK YOU.
COUNSEL, DISCUSSION AMONG YOURSELVES, AMONG US.
NOT HEARING ANY [LAUGHTER] SPECIAL NAME.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-755 [LAUGHTER] OF APPROVING THE PURCHASE OF A NEW STRUCTURAL FIREFIGHTING PUMPER, FIRE TRUCK FOR DAKPO FIRE EQUIPMENT UNDER THE H-GAC AND BY BOARD, CONTRACT PRICING AS REPLACEMENT FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT VEHICLE ENGINE 811 AND AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF THE RELATED CONTRACT DOCUMENTS.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARTEL TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-755.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, THEN I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER 2020-755 PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 40.
>> I APPRECIATE BOTH OF YOU PATIENTS AND BEING HERE AND YOUR PRESENTATION.
ITEM NUMBER 24, CONSIDERATION AND/OR
[24. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2023–762 AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF PARKER AND CIVICPLUS, LLC FOR CONTINUED WEBSITE SERVICES AND DESIGN SERVICES.]
ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-762, AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF PARKER AND CIVICPLUS LLC FOR CONTINUED WEBSITE SERVICES AND DESIGN SERVICES.YOU'VE SEEN THE PAPERWORK THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET, THIS IS TO CONTINUE A CONTRACT WITH CIVICPLUS, WHO WILL ALSO PROVIDE US WELL.
DAVID, REDESIGNED FOR COMPUTE WEBSITE BECAUSE MOST OF US I THINK, FEEL THAT IT'S DESPERATELY NEED YOUR HELP AND WE HAD A REAL GOOD MEETING THE OTHER DAY WITH THE WEBSITE COMMITTEE ON UPDATING AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE IN.
WE WOULD WANT TO GET THIS APPROVED SO WE CAN GET IT ACTUALLY STARTED.
ANYBODY IS WELCOME TO THAT MEETING, BY THE WAY, JUST IN CASE YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF IT.
ANYTIME THERE'S A WEBSITE IN ANYBODY'S ESPECIALLY IF YOU'VE GOT OUR TINA.
>> [LAUGHTER] DO YOU WANNA SAY LAURIE AND THE ROBIN REALLY WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS [OVERLAPPING] GETTING THE INFORMATION PULLED TOGETHER.
THERE WAS ONE CHANGE THAT WE WERE UNAWARE OF THAT CAME TO LIGHT THAT DIDN'T CALL COUNCIL THE WEBSITE COMMITTEE ON WAS THE ANNUAL CONTRACT.
WE STILL HAD TO PAY FOR THE ANNUAL CONTRACT FEE, WHICH WAS THE 7,000 SOME CHANGE BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE OUR CURRENT WEBSITE THAT WE STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR A WHILE THIS ONE'S GETTING DEVELOPED AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THEN ON TOP OF THAT, IT WOULD BE THE 15,000 AND SOME CHANGE FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OF THE WEBSITE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE PROCESS INVOLVED WITH THAT.
I'M TRYING TO GET IT BROUGHT UP HERE WITH THE DIFFERENT PHASES HERE.
IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF WORK BEING DONE TO GET THIS KICKED OFF.
WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING RESIDENTS FOR PICTURES OF THE CITY, ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS SO WE CAN GET OUR WEBSITE LOOKING CLEAN, FRESH.
THEN WITH THIS, IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO DO EVERY FOUR YEARS OR COMPLETE REDESIGNED.
THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PRICING TUBE.
>> WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS, OUR CURRENT WEBSITE WILL CONTINUE IN THE NEW MODIFICATION AND EVERYTHING WILL BE RUNNING BEHIND THE SCENES SO WE CAN CATCH THINGS THAT DON'T WORK OR ANY PROBLEMS THAT DO COME UP.
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>> THIS IS ALSO ALLOWING FOR STAFF TO ACTUALLY GET TRAINING.
A LOT OF STUFF HAS NOT HAD TRAINING ON THIS CIVICPLUS I THINK I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE ON STAFF THAT'S EVER HAD CIVICPLUS TRAINING.
BUT MY KNOWLEDGE IS VERY LIMITED IN IT BECAUSE I JUST KNOW A COUPLE THINGS HOW TO DO.
BUT STAFF IS HOW TO LEARN THE HARD WAY.
BUT THIS WILL GIVE THEM TRAINING A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS TO START CONTROLLING THEIR WEBSITE OR THEIR PAGES.
WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH HERE AND LOOK AT THE ARCHIVING.
WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THERE WHERE YOU TYPE IN KEYWORDS AND IT PULLS UP STUFF ALL THE WAY BACK TO LIKE 2008.
WE NEED TO NARROW THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE DOWN AND ARCHIVE IT.
THAT IS GOING TO BE A BIG UNDERTAKING AND FIGURING OUT WHAT DATES WE USE FOR WHAT AND GOING FORWARD.
>> IN OUR MEETING, AGAIN, AS THE MAYOR SAID, WE DID HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION AND ROBIN AND LAURIE PULLED A LOT OF INFORMATION TOGETHER.
I WORKED WITH CIVICPLUS TO GET SOME INFORMATION MORE ABOUT WHAT THE SYSTEM CAN DO AND TRYING TO TARGET IT TO MAKE SURE IT'S STREAMLINED WELL, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE WEBSITE COMMITTEE WILL STAY INVOLVED IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS AS WE GO ALONG BECAUSE I FELT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAD WHEN THE LAST DESIGN WAS DONE AND THIS WAS PREVIOUS TO MOST OF THE CURRENT STAFF.
NOBODY FROM COUNCIL OR RED OR INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS.
WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
THAT IT HAS SOME LOOKS AND SEES AND TESTING AND QUESTIONING AS IT GOES ALONG.
BUT I THINK WE DON'T HAVE EXPERTISE IN HOUSE TO DO THE REDESIGN.
SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SAY THAT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN WE SHOULD SPEND.
I THINK WE'RE GETTING A QUALITY COMPANY DOING THIS WORK.
CIVICPLUS IS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE OF GOVERNMENT ENTITIES.
IF YOU LOOK THROUGH MANY WEBSITES, YOU'LL SEE THEY DO A LOT OF THEM.
WE'RE HOPING TO GET THEIR EXPERTISE AS WELL AND IDEAS TO MAKE IT BETTER.
>> IF YOU SEE WEBSITES YOU LIKE AMONGST COUNCIL, LET US KNOW THAT WAY WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE AND SEE WHAT AND IF YOU LIKE CERTAIN ASPECTS OF IT, LET US KNOW SO WE CAN SEE IF WE CAN INCORPORATE THOSE INTO OUR WEBSITE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE FULLY CUSTOMIZABLE WEBSITE.
IF YOU SEE CERTAIN THINGS, LET US KNOW AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
>> THERE ARE THREE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY IMPRESSIVE OUT OF OUR MEETING.
ONE IS CIVICPLUS IS ALWAYS BEEN THERE AND HELPED THE LADIES WHENEVER THEY'VE CALLED WITH A PROBLEM.
THERE'S NOT THEN WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU IN A WEEK FROM NOW.
THEY'VE BEEN THERE. TWO, WE LOOKED AT OTHER COMPANIES WHILE THE OTHER COMPANIES DIDN'T EVEN RESPOND TO OUR REQUEST FOR INFORMATION.
WITH THE NOVELIST FOUND, WELL, WHY WOULD WE THINK THEY WOULD RESPOND TO OTHER STUFF? WELL, THIS MIGHT BE AN EXPERIENCE.
THE WORLD WAS COMING TO TECHNOLOGY.
WE HAVE GOT TO MAKE THE NEED WHERE PEOPLE START GETTING THEIR INFORMATION OFF OUR WEBSITE, NOT FACEBOOK OR SNAPCHAT OR PICKS UP THAT.
WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING THE INFORMATION PEOPLE NEED AND ALSO HAVE IT INTERACTIVE AS POSSIBLE.
>> OTHER QUESTION, LOOKING AT I DIDN'T KNOW IF EVERYTHING WAS INCLUDED IN THIS PACKAGE OR NOT, THAT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE STATEMENT OF WORK IS SUPER HELPFUL.
TYPICALLY, EVEN IF YOU LOOK BACK AT PREVIOUS TO THAT WENT THROUGH, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DETAILS OF WHAT THE STATEMENT OF WORK IS GOING TO BE IN THIS NEAR NOTHING IN IT.
>> WHAT WE'VE GOT TO GET THAT FINALIZED, WE TRY AND GET THAT LAST DOCUMENT.
THAT'S ALL. WE'LL TRY TO GET IT WITH.
>> WE WERE TRYING TO FIND THAT DOCUMENT.
>> PRIOR TO POSTING THE PACKAGE LAST FRIDAY, WE WERE TRYING TO COBBLE TOGETHER EVERYTHING THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE CONSTRUED AS THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS.
WE ARE MISSING A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE HAVE THE MAJOR THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND THAT'S A GOOD THING, BUT WE WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE NEED.
THAT'S WHY THE ITEM HAS TO AUTHORIZE EXECUTION OF CONTRACT DOCUMENTS.
>> A CLARIFYING QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO THAT TOPIC ON PAGE 363.
[03:00:07]
IT HAS REFERENCES TO FORMER ADMINISTRATIVE EMPLOYEES.IS THIS A KIND OF A REFERENCE DOCUMENT THAT'S HISTORICAL OR IF YOU COULD CLARIFY.
>> IT'S A HISTORICAL DOCUMENT.
>> THAT WAS THE UNDERLYING AGREEMENT.
WE ALSO DID THE PIECE TOGETHER, THE HISTORY BECAUSE WE HAVE ENGAGED THEM FOR SOME TIME.
WE WENT AHEAD AND PROVIDED SOME OF THE PREVIOUS HISTORICAL INFORMATION SO YOU CAN SEE THE HISTORY ON TIMELINE.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I WOULD ACCEPT A MOTION.
[LAUGHTER] ARE WE STILL AWAKE [LAUGHTER]
>> MAYOR, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 24, CONSIDERATION AND OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION.
ITEM RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-762 AUTHORIZE AN EXECUTION OF AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF PARKER INSTEAD OF A CLASS LLC FOR CONTAINMENT WEBSITES SERVICES, AND DESIGN SERVICES.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-762.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, QUESTION?
>> THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE, YOU INDICATED THERE WAS MORE DOCUMENTS TO BE HAD IS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE THOUGH, THAT SCOPE OF SERVICES CLEARLY DOCUMENTED AND A COPY OF THAT WOULD BE.
>> YES, IT SHOULD BE. ALL COUNTS.
>> YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO FINALLY GET THAT.
HOPEFULLY TOMORROW. I'LL MAKE SOME PHONE CALLS AND GET THAT LOUISE.
>> SO YOU'LL VERIFY THAT BEFORE YOU SEND IT.
>> WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE RIGHT DOCUMENT FOR THE PRICING BECAUSE THAT THREW US OFF ON THAT.
I WAS TRYING TO GET THAT BETWEEN THURSDAY AND FRIDAY AND TRYING TO GET IT IN THE PACKET JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT PART.
>> AND I THINK THAT ANYTIME A WEBSITE COMMITTEE MEETING IS SCHEDULED, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE NOTIFIED OF IT SO THAT THEY CAN ATTEND OR NOT. AS I SEE FIT.
>> I THINK WE DO POST IT ONLINE.
LUKE ASKED ME TO DO IT AS APPOINTMENT I ORIGINALLY HAD SET UP AS A FEMALE LIKE A NORMAL AGENDA THAT WE SET IT UP.
THERE'S AN APPOINTMENT AND I PUT THE ONES THAT WERE REQUIRED.
THEY WERE THE MEMBERS AND THEN THE REST OF THE COUNCIL AFTER THE END SO THEY WOULD KNOW.
I THINK I EVEN PUT A NOTE IN THE BODY THAT SAID THAT THESE ARE THE MEMBERS.
>> YEAH. BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S WELCOME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? THEN I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-762 PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES 4-0. THANK YOU.
>> STEPH IS VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT [LAUGHTER]
[25. UPDATE(S)]
LUKE, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ITEM 2521?>> I'M GOING TO LET GARY TALK ABOUT 2551.
HE ACTUALLY WENT TO THE MEETING LAST THURSDAY.
HEY, GARY, GRAB THAT MICROPHONE.
>> THANKS. DOTS ON TRACK TO START CONSTRUCTION IN NOVEMBER ON THE SECTIONS FROM AROUND CURTIS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO TIE IN NORTH, AND BEFORE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO START PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS OR SO, TWO, THREE WEEKS.
THEY'RE GOING TO START ON THIS SECTION FROM HOGUE NORTH ACROSS THE OPEN FIELD.
>> AND THEN THAT AREA, DELAHEY AND PARKER ROAD, THAT IS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THEIR TWO CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS.
>> RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER. SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR TWO CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS.
>> THEY ARE PUTTING NEW CREDIT ASPHALT MILLERS DOWN RIGHT NOW TOO FOR THAT.
>> HAVE ALL THE UTILITY HAS BEEN?
>> SORRY, I SHOULD NOT ASK THE QUESTION [LAUGHTER]
>> NO THEY HAVE WHAT, HOW BIG ARE THOSE POLES THAT HAVE TO COME IN?
>> EIGHTY-FIVE FOOT POLES THAT YOU'RE BRINGING IN.
>> ELECTRIC POLES HAVE TO COME IN.
>> THEY'RE HARD TO GET. BUT THEY'VE APPARENTLY GOT THOSE POLES IN THERE TO BE DELIVERED ANY DAY NOW.
AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE DONE BY MID-NOVEMBER AND BE ABLE TO START.
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>> I DON'T KNOW THAT [LAUGHTER]
>> ANY QUESTIONS ON 2551? I WAS GOING TO NOTE THAT THE NEXT TIME CRP MEET, WHICH NOW AND THAT WILL BE OCTOBER 2ND, COMP PLAN WILL ALSO BE INCLUDED IN THAT MEETING BECAUSE THEY NEED SOME INFORMATION TO COORDINATE.
>> SO WILL WE GET INFORMATION ON THAT BEFORE THE MEETING?
BUT DO YOU NEED IT BEFORE THE MEETING?
>> YEAH. I'M ASSUMING THAT A PACKET IS GOING TO COME OUT BEFORE THAT MEETING WITH ANY MATERIALS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTED ON THE PUMP LINE.
>> DO WE NORMALLY GET A PACKET BEFORE CRP MEETINGS? THEN I WILL SEE WHAT I CAN DO.
BASICALLY, COMP PLAN IS TO A POINT WHERE THEY NEED THE CRP INFORMATION IF I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY, RANDY, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE BEEN THERE AT THE MEETINGS.
>> THEY'RE STILL ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON IT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING THAT PASSIVE OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT IF THERE'S A COMP PLAN MEETING THAT THE COUNCIL GETS NOTIFIED OF THOSE MEETING DATES AND TIMES?
>> I'M SORRY IF THERE'S A COMP PLAN?
>> YES, MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT IF THERE IS A COMP PLAN MEETINGS SCHEDULED, THAT THE COUNCIL IS NOTIFIED OF THOSE MEETING DATES AND TIMES?
>> I KNOW OF NONE THAT ARE SCHEDULED BECAUSE I THINK COMP PLAN IS WAITING TO MEET WITH CRP AND GO FROM THERE TO SEE HOW TO INCORPORATE WITH EACH OTHER.
>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. AND MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT ALL THOSE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF THE ACTIVITIES OF THE COMP PLAN ACTIVITIES?
>> I DON'T KNOW OF ANY. I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR QUARTERLY REPORTS THAT ARE IN YOUR PACKET.
YOU NOTICED ON THE POLICE REPORTS THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM AND IT SAYS CORRECTED.
>> AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE WAS A GLITCH THAT CAUSE SOME MISINFORMATION AND THEY HAVE SINCE CORRECTED THE GLITCH IN WHICH CAUSED THEM TO CORRECT ALL THE INFORMATION.
THIS SHOULD BE ALL CORRECTED ON THAT.
[26. ACCEPTANCE OF DONATION(S) FOR POLICE, FIRE, AND CITY STAFF FOR THE RECORD (Each valued at between $0 - $500)]
THE CITY IS ACCEPTING DONATIONS FROM JOHNNY AND CINDY FROST WHO DONATED COOKIES VALUED AT $30 TO THE PARKER POLICE DEPARTMENT.THE PARKER WOMEN'S CLUB DONATED DONUTS, APPLE FRITTER, FRUIT BOWLS, TEA AND MISCELLANEOUS PLATES, CUPS, FORKS, AND NAPKINS, VALUED AT $113 TO THE PARKER POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, AND CITY STAFF.
MARY YAM BOURGEOISIE AND MOHAMMAD MOSSADEGH DONATED ONE DOZEN NOTHING BUT CAKES, BUT TANEY'S VALUED AT $28 TO CITY STAFF.
FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS I'M PUTTING GOING OUT TO BUILD ON ENGINEERING SERVICES.
[27. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS?>> NO, JUST TO RECAP THAT WE WILL HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN MEETING ON OCTOBER 2ND AND ALSO COVER THE TOPIC OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DURING THAT MEETING AS AN AGENDA ITEM.
>> HOW ABOUT IF I CALL IT COMBINED COMP AND CRP?
>> THAT SOUNDS FINE. THANKS [LAUGHTER]
>> OCTOBER 2, AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
[03:10:01]
>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND THAT'S IT [LAUGHTER] ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS OR ANY OTHER ISSUES? THEN WE ARE ADJOURNED.
IT IS 10:04 [BACKGROUND]
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