[CALL TO ORDER]
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>> [NOISE] I HEREBY CALL THE CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CITY OF PARKER, TEXAS TO ORDER.
IT IS AUGUST 22, 2023 AT 2:00 PM.
MR. OLSEN, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM?
>> MADAM MAYOR, YOU HAVE A SUPER QUORUM.
>> ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS?
>> THEN WE WILL MOVE INTO WORKSHOP ITEM 1,
[CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN (CIP) CONSIDERATION OF PHASED APPROACH]
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, CONSIDERATION OF A PHASED APPROACH.ARE YOU, OR GARY, OR WHO IS GOING TO LEAD?
>> GARY AND I WILL TAG TEAM THIS AND GO THROUGH THIS.
I GUESS THE FIRST THING WE TALKED TO JOHN BIRKHOFF ON, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A PHASED APPROACH TO THE SOUTHERN PART OF DUBLIN ROAD FOR THE TIME BEING DUE TO THE FACT THIS FIRST SHEET YEAR.
YOU'LL SEE HERE THE BETSY TO CITY LIMITS SHEET.
ONE THING WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE PHASED APPROACH IS ON THE S-CURVES IS DO A FULL REBUILD ON THOSE S-CURVES DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE SUBBASE IS PRETTY MUCH TRASH UNDERNEATH THERE.
THE WATER SAT UNDERNEATH THOSE S-CURVES IN THAT AREA THERE, AND IS REALLY TORN UP THAT SUBBASE OVER THE YEARS.
>> FAILURE UNDERNEATH THE ROADWAY.
>> IT THAT JUST THE SOUTH S-CURVE YOU'RE TALKING?
>> YEAH. JUST THE SOUTH S-CURVES WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, AND HAVING THAT AS THE ISSUE.
THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS WE WOULD ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT SOME DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, AND WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT KIND OF RIGHT OF WAYS WE WOULD NEED OR EASEMENTS.
WE WOULD NEED TO ACQUIRE TO GET THAT WATER MOVED AWAY FROM THAT SUBBASE IN THAT AREA.
I THINK JOHN WOULD NEED TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON THAT, JUST TO GET THAT WATER AWAY FROM THAT SECTION OF THE ROADWAY THERE.
WE DO KNOW THAT THAT WATER LINE IS VERY CLOSE, IT WOULD BE ON THE WEST SIDE.
>> ON THE S-CURVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
THE WATERLINE ARE REAL CLOSE TO ROCHELLE.
>> YEAH. IT'S ABOUT A FOOT DEEP THERE.
>> JUST REAL QUICK, YOU'LL PROBABLY ADDRESS THIS.
WHAT WOULD THE TIMING BE FOR THAT? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE WANT TO DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME.
>> WE WOULD PROBABLY DO THE WATERLINE AND THE DRAINAGE AROUND THE SAME TIME PERIOD, THEN REBUILD THAT S-CURVE.
IT'D BE WATERLINE DRAINAGE IS PHASE, PHASE 1A, PHASE 1B WOULD BE REBUILD S-CURVES.
THEN WHAT WE'VE CALLED AS PHASE 1C WOULD BE REBUILD THE STRAIGHTAWAYS, AND THAT WOULD BE THE REMIXING THE REST SOUTHERN DUBLIN FROM BETSY TO THE SOUTH CITY LIMITS.
THAT'S JUST MIXING GRIND IN PLACE, MIXING 32 POUNDS OF PORTLAND CEMENT.
>> THIRTY-TWO POUNDS OF PORTLAND.
>> THEN COMING WITH 1.5 INCH OR TWO INCH WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
>> TWO INCH AND THEN 1.5 INCH.
>> WE HAVE TWO-INCH GLASS, AND THEN THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> TWO-INCH GLASS PANE, AND THEN 1.5 INCH OF THE FINAL PAVED SURFACE.
>> THAT BOTTOM SUBBASE WOULD BE THE GROUND AND PLACE.
>> THE CURRENT STRAIGHTAWAY SECTIONS WOULD BE GROUND AND PLACE.
WE DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S MANY ISSUES WITH THAT.
>> ON THE S WHAT WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE ON THAT, WHEN YOU BRING IN OTHER MEDIA TO DO SUBBASE?
>> TAKE OUT THAT FLEX BASE THAT'S IN THERE RIGHT NOW, AND REPLACE THAT FLEX BASE.
>> CHECK THE SUBBASE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T NEED SOME ATTENTION.
>> THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION, IN MY MIND, I'M THINKING THE DRAINAGE OR WORK THAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO GET RID OF, WOULD THAT INVOLVE PIPES UNDERNEATH THAT DIVERT THE WATER UNDERNEATH QUITE A WAYS AWAY OR HOW [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO. IT'S GOING TO BE CLAIMED THAT THE DITCHES OUTLET.
WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT TYPICALLY WHAT THAT WOULD BE IS JUST ESTABLISHING A DATE TO THE FLOW LINE.
>> THAT WOULD CONTAIN THE WATER AND CARRIED AWAY.
SO THAT IT DOESN'T SIT WHEN IT SIT IT SOAKS INTO PLACES.
WHERE IT SHOULDN'T BE AND CAUSES THE DAMAGE.
>> ESPECIALLY IN THE DRYER TIMES OF THE YEAR, IF IT STAYS WET AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS DRY, THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE MOVEMENT.
>> IT'S LIKE PUTTING A PIECE OF BREAD IN MILK, AND THEN JUST WATCHING IT GET SOGGY AND SOGGIER AND SOGGIER UNTIL JUST DETERIORATES IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THAT.
>> I DID SPEAK WITH JOHN YESTERDAY ABOUT THE WATERLINE, AND HIS ROUGH ESTIMATE RATE NOW IS 1.5 MILLION.
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>> WE DO HAVE ABOUT 1.3, I THINK RIGHT NOW SITTING IN THOSE ARPA FUNDS.
[OVERLAPPING] THAT IS A PROJECT THAT IS QUALIFIED FOR THOSE FUNDS.
>> THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THAT LINE, GARY.
>> I THINK THAT'D BE ALL OF DUBLIN WATERLINE.
I'D HAVE TO CLARIFY, BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL DUBLIN ROAD.
MINUSING OUT THE SECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE FAIRLY RECENTLY.
WHICH WE HAD A FEW SECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, WHERE IT'S ALREADY UPGRADED TO AN EIGHT-INCH LINE IN THERE, AND WE WOULD JUST CONNECT TO THAT AND CONTINUE ON.
>> ASKING YOU IN ANOTHER WAY, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION.
THEN AT THAT POINT ALL THE WATERLINE REPAIR THAT'S REQUIRED THERE, THAT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY IF THERE'S A BREAK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I MEAN, AS FAR AS WE KNOW IT WOULD BE THEN GOOD TO GO.
>> YOU HAVE POLYLINE IN THERE FROM THAT POINT ON. I DON'T THINK.
>> JUST MAKING SURE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE CASE.
>> HOW MUCH ASBESTOS LINE THAT WE HAVE IN THAT AREA THERE?
>> I DON'T KNOW THE FOOTAGE EVER, BUT WE HAVE SOME IN THERE.
>> BUT WE WOULD ABANDON THAT IN PLACE, AND THEN PUT THIS LINE ON THE OTHER SIDE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY WE HAVE, JUST TO SAVE COST.
>> IF THERE ANY EASEMENT ISSUES.
>> NO. THERE ARE LOTS OF EASEMENT ISSUES THROUGH THERE.
A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ONTO THE CENTER OF THE ROAD, BUT PRESCRIPTIVE IS WHAT WE HAVE.
>> WE HAVE SOME OF THAT, BUT WE CAN PUT WATERLINES AND CERTAIN THING IN THE AREAS OF THAT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] YOU SEE WHERE SHE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THERE.
>> ON THE SECOND PIECE, THE REBUILD YOU INDICATE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BETSY TO THE CITY LIMIT LINE.
HOWEVER, IN LOOKING AT THE STREET CONDITION SURVEY THAT THE PCI INDEX, THE PIECE FROM CREEKSIDE DOWN TO THE CITY LIMIT IS STILL AT A 60 RATING.
ARE WE STILL GOING TO REDO THAT PART OF IT?
>> WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, AND IF WE DON'T NEED TO WE CAN SAVE THE MONEY AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE THING.
>> I PREFER TO LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.
I THINK THE S-CURVE AND THAT LITTLE STRAIGHT AREA ON BOTH SIDES WOULD BE THE PROBLEM AREAS FOR NOW.
>> WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS BUILD A NICE NEW ROAD, AND HAVE THAT PIECE FALLS APART.
>> FIVE YEARS OR THREE YEARS LATER.
>> BECAUSE WE HAD ALL RIPPED UP. I UNDERSTAND.
>> WE COULD HAVE DONE IT FOR CHEAP, COMPARATIVELY SPEAKING WHILE WE WERE THERE.
>> WHEN WE STARTED TALKING TO THE CONTRACTOR ONCE WE GET OVER 500 TONS, THE PRICE COMES DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY FOR THE TONNAGE.
SO IT'S BETTER TO GET THEM OUT THERE FOR LARGER PROJECTS.
>> RIGHT. IT MAKES SENSE AT THAT POINT IF WE'RE GETTING MORE ECONOMIES OF SCALE, FOR SURE.
THE OTHER THING IS THESE ESTIMATES ARE INDICATING A 25-FOOT WIDTH.
>> CORRECT. AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST A COST ESTIMATE FOR US JUST TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM A COST ESTIMATE STANDPOINT, THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE.
WE'RE WELL AWARE THIS WAS US PLUGGING IN NUMBERS, SO WE HAD SOMETHING TO GIVE YOU ALL.
WAS THAT MC COAT UPDATED? IS THAT THE UPDATED NUMBER, GARY?
>> BECAUSE THERE WAS A COUPLE OF THESE NUMBERS THAT WE WERE STILL TRYING TO GET FROM THE CONTRACTOR, I KNOW THE GLASS PAVE WE WERE STILL TRYING TO GET, AND THE MC COAT.
THERE WAS A COUPLE OF NUMBERS HERE.
>> I DON'T THINK THE MC HAS BEEN UPDATED YET, OR THE TACK COAT.
>> OR THE TACK COAT. THERE'S A COUPLE OF NUMBERS THAT STILL HAVE TO BE UPDATED.
THEY WERE STILL WORKING ON GETTING THOSE NUMBERS FROM THEIR SUBS.
>> AS WE GET INTO THAT, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT [OVERLAPPING] IT IS IMPORTANT, AND MAYBE THERE'S A REASON ON THE CURVE THAT YOU WANT A WIDER WIDTH BUT DUBLIN ROAD, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO SOME ISSUES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
>> WHY DID ANY MORE BECAUSE ALL THE MAILBOXES ARE THERE AND THEN WE'RE GETTING TO WHERE I HAVE TO MOVE THOSE MAILBOXES BACK AND THAT GETS TO [OVERLAPPING]
>> YES HOW WIDE WOULD YOU ESTIMATE THAT IT IS CURRENTLY, APPROXIMATELY?
>> RANGE IS PROBABLY FROM 20-22 FEET.
>> I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT 24 FEET.
>> I THINK THE OTHER THING, UNLESS I'M INCORRECT ON THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE DRAINAGES NEXT TO THAT IT DROPS OFF REALLY QUICKLY, SO IN OTHER WORDS MAKING ANY WIDER THERE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE HAVE TO MOVE THE FLOW LINE.
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>> OVER THE YEARS WE'VE PUSHED IT OUT AS FAR AS WE CAN IN THOSE AREAS WITH THE ASPHALT PAVEMENT, THE DRIVES SURFACE.
I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH MAXED OUT AS WHAT WE CAN DO.
>> EVERY TIME WE'VE OVERLAID AND WE WOULD GO OUT A FEW MORE INCHES.
>> BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN GO ANY FURTHER, SO WE GOT 10 FOOT TRAVELING.
>> [OVERLAPPING] TO DRASTICALLY DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
>> LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER IGNORANT QUESTION IS THAT BECAUSE WE'RE AT THAT AGE LIKE THAT, IS THERE A NATURAL ROLL-OFF OF THE ALIGNMENT OF THE ROAD ANYWAY? OR CAN IT BE BUILT OUT OR DOES IT FALL OFF ON THE EDGE WHERE IT'S GOING TO BREAK OFF THE EDGES?
>> WELL, THAT GETS INTO YOUR SHOULDER TREATMENT OR WHATEVER YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO PRESERVE THE SHOULDERS.
THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
>> THAT'S A PROBLEM THERE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> SOME ARE NOT SO EXPENSIVE BUT SOME ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS, SOME ARE NOT AS GOOD.
>> ANOTHER QUESTION RELATES TO THE TREES THAT ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE STREETS.
ARE THERE TREES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE THERE ARE POSSIBLY TOO CLOSE TO THE ROAD TOO.
>> IDEALLY, YOU'D WANT TO REMOVE ALL THE TREES OR THE CANOPY HANGS OVER THE ROAD, BECAUSE AS THE CANOPY HANGS OVER THE ROOTS GO UNDER, AND THAT CHANGES THE MOISTURE CONTENT AND THAT'LL CAUSE CRACKING.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO REMOVE.
>> I THINK THE GRINDING MACHINE WILL TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF THE ROOT SYSTEM UNDERNEATH THAT ROADWAY ONCE WE GET GOING UNDERNEATH THERE SO IT JUST.
>> THE GLASS PAVE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE CRACKING.
>> BECAUSE THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I CAN THINK OF IS THAT IF THEY ARE PRETTY HEALTHY TREES AND THEY START ROOT GROWTH, THEY TEND TO COME UP TO THE SURFACE AND THAT CAN BE INTERRUPTIVE.
>> THEY'RE GOING TO FIND WATER, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING INTO THE WATER SOURCE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE FOR OPEN LAND TRYING TO FIND THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE UNDERNEATH GOING TOWARDS THE ROADWAY TO THAT MUCH THEY MIGHT BE GOING AND TRYING TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROADWAY, BUT YOU'VE GOT THE TAPROOT THAT'S GOING PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHT DOWN AND YOUR OFF SHOOTS THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH GOING TO STAY ON THAT OTHER SIDE REALLY OF THAT ROADWAY SO.
>> I'VE GOT A QUESTION, SO LOOKING BACK AT THE 2020 DUBLIN ROAD ESTIMATE, THAT'S WHERE I'M CONFUSED I GUESS 1,000,003 IS AS I LOOK AT IT BASICALLY SAID THE SOUTHSIDE OF DUBLIN, IT WOULD COST ABOUT 1,000,006 TO DO THE DRAINAGE WORK AND ON THE NORTH SIDE IT WOULD BE ABOUT 1,000,008 SO WHERE THE 1,000,003 NUMBERS COME FROM?
>> THAT'S IF WE REDID THE WHOLE DRAINAGE WHEN IN THERE, WE DID ALL THE DRAINAGE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
>> NO, THIS IS JUST PURELY ROAD WORK.
>> I'M LOOKING INTO 2020 ESTIMATE TO REDO DUBLIN.
PART OF IT WAS LIKE THE SOUTHSIDE WAS EIGHT INCH WATERLINE WAS 835,000.
THEN ANOTHER 770,000 CAME FROM DRIVEWAY COLBERT'S HEAD WALLS, RANGE AND CONTROL, VEGETATION, CULVERT PIPES, ETC.
DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ROAD, HAD TO DO WITH WHAT HAD TO BE DONE TO DO THE DRAINAGE WORK, WAS ANOTHER 770.
>> THAT WAS US WITH WIDENING THE ROAD AND REDOING ALL THE DRAINAGE AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS.
>> I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE REDOING DRAINAGE.
>> WE PROBABLY NEED TO SCOPE WHAT DRAINAGE WORK WE WOULD WANT TO DO [OVERLAPPING].
>> CAN WE HAVE ONE AT A TIME SPEAK? GO AHEAD AMANDA.
>> I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TRY TO SCOPE THE DRAINAGE WORK THAT WE WANT TO DO I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS JUST FIRST ADDRESSING THE S-CURVE BUT THEN BEYOND THAT, I THINK IT'S QUESTIONABLE ABOUT WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO GIVEN THE PROXIMITY OF THE TREES AND MAILBOXES AND RIGHT OF WAY NEXT TO THE ROAD, SO I THINK WE NEED TO TALK THROUGH WHAT WILL THE SCOPE OF THAT DRAINAGE BE AND WHAT THE ENGINEERED TOLD US LAST TIME WAS THEY'RE GOING TO WANT A DO A STUDY AND THEN GIVE US A PROPOSAL, I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT ONTO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE LIKE A FULL PROPOSAL OR SCOPE DEFINED YET, BUT TO YOUR POINT YOU HAVE A PREVIOUS DOCUMENT THERE AND MAYBE YOU CAN SUMMARIZE WHAT THAT INCLUDED AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE, DO WE CONTINUE TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS OR NOT.
>> THE 2020 DOCUMENT AND GARY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WAS US REDOING EVERYTHING IN THAT WHOLE AREA THE DRAINAGE, ALL THE CULVERTS EVERYTHING DOWN, [OVERLAPPING] TO DO WIDENING THAT ROAD THROUGH THE WHOLE AREA THERE SO.
>> OKAY. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT 1,000,003 IS ONLY 1,200 OR WHATEVER 1,200 OR SO LINEAR FEET OF THE S-CURVE, REDOING THE DRAINAGE THERE, BECAUSE SOMEWHERE I HEARD SOMEONE SAY, THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF ALL OF IT SO I'M STILL CONFUSED ON WHAT THE 1,000,003 SMN COVERS.
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>> I GUESS I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOUR QUESTION.
>> I THINK EARLIER AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CONVERSATION TODAY, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE'S 1,000,003 APPROXIMATELY AVAILABLE FROM DARPA FUNDS, I WASN'T CLEAR MYSELF WHETHER THAT WAS THOUGHT TO GO TOWARDS FIXING THE WATER LINES OR GO TOWARDS DRAINAGE SO MAYBE WE COULD CLARIFY THAT.
>> I THINK IT'S AVAILABLE FOR WATER LINES.
>> JUST OUR MONEY ARE JUST FOR WATER LINES, YES.
>> NUMBER OF DRAINAGE FOR THE WATER LINES.
>> WE HAVEN'T GOT THAT NUMBER YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DEFINED THAT SCOPE YET OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AS FAR AS EASEMENTS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ACQUIRE OR ANY OTHER WAY WE'D HAVE TO MOVE THAT WATER ALONG THAT CURVE BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO MOVE TOWARDS THE WEST ALMOST ONE WITH GARY DOWN, WHAT'S THAT ROAD THERE? ALONG SMITH THERE.
>> WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IS WE'D HAVE TO GO TO ESTIMATE TO TAKE OUT A BUNCH OF TREES, CREATE A DRAINAGE WAY THAT'S NOT THERE TODAY.
ACQUIRE EASEMENTS AND MAYBE POSSIBLE WELL EASEMENT AND TAKE THE WATER DOWN TOWARDS THE DECREE AND KEEP IT FROM CHEATING ON TO THE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY THAT ARE THERE AND THAT MIGHT BE WHERE THAT 1.3 CAME FROM BECAUSE THERE WAS A HIGH NUMBER ESTIMATED FOR THAT IN THE PAST AND I HAVE MIGHT BE WORTH, I DON'T KNOW WHICH DOCUMENT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
>> I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT DOCUMENT AGAIN, IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, I GUESS WHERE WE THOUGHT IT WAS WHERE WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ALL THE DRAINAGE AND REDOING EVERYTHING ON DOUBLING BUT.
>> CAN YOU SCROLL THAT UP JUST A TAD BECAUSE IT SAYS 1,250 FEET, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> GO TO THE KEEPER WINDOW, GO DOWN.
>> WHERE THAT START AND WHERE THAT FINISH?
>> THAT'S FROM EDGE MORE TO CREEK SIDE.
>> EDGEWATER. YEAH. EDGEWATER.
>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK IF WE CHOSE TO DO ONLY 600 LINEAR FEET, WHICH WOULD PUT US HALFWAY BETWEEN THE CURVE AND EDGEWATER AND HALFWAY BETWEEN THE CURVE AND CREEK SIDE TO SHORTEN THE DISTANCE OF FULL RECONSTRUCTION.
WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE PROPOSAL?
>> THAT IS A POSSIBLE PROPOSAL AND SOUNDS FINE TO ME.
FROM EDGEWATER TO SOUTH TO THE S-CURVE, THE ROADS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE NOW FROM THE S CURVE AND THE EXIT FROM THE S CURVE TO CREEK SIDE.
I DON'T THINK THE ROADS IN AS BAD A SHAPE AS IT IS ON THAT NORTH SIDE.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT PROBABLY IN MAYBE ADJUST ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND MOVE ALL THAT TO THE NORTH SIDE FOR RECONSTRUCTION.
>> WOULD IT BE PROPORTIONATE IF WE CUT IT IN HALF FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE?
>> I ALREADY AGREE THOUGH THAT THE S CURVE AND THEN THAT SPACE BETWEEN EDGEWATER AND THE S-CURVE IS BASICALLY THE SAME.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER.
THERE'S A HUGE RIGHT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD.
>> IF WE TOOK SOME OFF OF THE S CURVE, WHAT LINEAR FEET WE TAKE OFF OF THAT WOULD GO INTO THE OTHER PROPOSAL?
>> I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE FULL SOUTH DUBLIN ROAD.
>> IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL DEEMS TO DO. YEAH.
>> THEY'RE ADDED TOO TO GET THE FULL LENGTH OF DUBLIN ROAD.
>> WE DID PUT A LITTLE BIT OF DOING THE 25 FOOT THAT DOES GIVE US CONTINGENCY.
A LITTLE BIT CONTINGENCY IN THERE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK WE'D BUILD CONTINGENCY IN THERE.
BUT WE DID. WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY THAN WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE.
>> I THINK THERE'S ALSO A DISCREPANCY IN THE LENGTH.
THAT PREVIOUS ESTIMATES HAD ESTIMATED A TOTAL LENGTH OF 5,907 LINEAR FEET.
THEN THIS HAS A SEGMENT OF 5,300 AND THEN 1,250.
THERE'S ALSO A LITTLE, I GUESS, EXTRA OVERAGE, IF YOU WILL, FOR JUST THE OVERALL NUMBER OF LINEAR FEET ON BOTH OF THESE.
IN OTHER WORDS, THIS COST ESTIMATE MIGHT BE ON THE HIGH SIDE WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE ACTUAL LINEAR FEET.
>> IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO SHOOT A LITTLE HIGH AND COME IN LOWER.
>> JUST TO DO IT THE OTHER DIRECTION.
>> ESPECIALLY WHEN EVERYTHING IS BASED OFF THE TONNAGE BECAUSE WE COULD GET OFF ON
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A TONNAGE HERE THERE AND IT GOES REAL SOUTH ON US REAL QUICK.>> PROBABLY A STUPID QUESTION.
BUT WHEN YOU GO OUT FOR BID, DO YOU SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY THE LINEAR FEET THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR?
>> WE CAN SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY THE LINEAR FEET.
WE CAN SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY THE ACTUAL SPOTS THAT WE WANT ADDRESSED, PUT WATERMARK ON.
>> OKAY. THAT'S IN THE BID DOCUMENTS.
>> THIS ONE, WE USE TEXAS BID ON WHICH WE DO HAVE AN INNER LOCAL WIDTH.
>> TECHNICALLY, WE COULD USE THE ELLIS COUNTY, DALLAS COUNTY IN OUR LOCAL THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM TO GET THEIR PRICING.
>> I DON'T HAVE THEIR NUMBERS YET.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT. WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING.
>> HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THE WEEK IS WHAT THEY SAID.
>> THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF BIDS THEY'RE WORKING UP.
WE GOT PUT ON THE BACK-BURNER.
>> THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE.
I KNOW I'M PUTTING THE CART WAY BEFORE THE HORSE, BUT IF WE THINK THAT WE HAVE THIS SCOPE DOWN, LET'S JUST SAY BASED ON SOME ITERATION OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE, WHAT WILL BE THE TIMING AND IS THIS SOMETHING YOU CAN GET DONE THIS YEAR?
>> IT TAKE A WHILE FOR THEM TO GET FREED UP, TO MOBILIZE, AND THEN THEY CAN PROBABLY START TO WORK MAYBE THIS YEAR, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE FINISHED.
>> I DON'T THINK WE WANT EVERYTHING TORN UP FOR IT AND THEN COME BACK LATER ON.
>> WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE FALL AND HAVE IT HALFWAY DONE AND HAVE TO COME BACK AND CONTINUE IN THE SPRING.
>> ESPECIALLY GOING THROUGH THE WINTER.
IF YOU DO HAVE FREEZES AND STUFF, THAT'S NO WAY NO EITHER.
>> WE CAN PROBABLY SHOOT LIGHT FROM MARCH.
>> APRIL TIME FRAME HOPEFULLY.
>> LATE MARCH, EARLY APRIL. HOPEFULLY.
>> IF WE DID WATERLINE WE COULD DO THAT THROUGH THE WINTER.
>> YEAH. THAT'S THE BEST TIME TO DO THAT.
>> AVAILABLE TO WORK ON THE ROAD.
WE WOULD WANT TO DO THAT FIRST ANYWAY, IF WE DECIDED TO DO THAT.
>> HERE'S A QUESTION. IF YOU DO AN ITERATIVE LIKE THAT, IS THERE GOING TO BE SOME OTHER COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH KIND OF AT LEAST HAVING THEIR ROAD IN SHAPE TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE ON WHEN YOU'RE MESSING WITH THE WATERLINE IS RIGHT THERE.
>> THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT CONTRACT.
WHENEVER IF THEY HAVE TO CROSS THE ROAD OR TURN THE ROAD UP, THEY'D HAVE TO PATCH IT.
THAT'D BE IN THE WATERLINE CONTRACT.
>> OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.
WE'RE GOING TO DIG IT UP ANYWAY IN MARCH, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T MATTER.
IN FACT, COULD [OVERLAPPING] BE A BLESSING THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER SITUATION FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS UNTIL YOU RIP IT UP.
>> YOU DOING THE WATERLINE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET THAT ENGINEERED AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ACTUALLY GET BID SPECS DRAWN UP FOR THAT.
THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING WE CAN JUST DROP IN THE GROUND AND GO.
>> WELL, THE REST OF COUNCIL HAVE TO WEIGH ON THIS, BUT MY OPINION WHERE WE WANT TO PROBABLY GET GOING ON THAT ASAP.
>> I AGREE. WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATERLINES, COULD I ASK TO SEE THE WATERLINE DRAWING AND JUST SHOW ME JUST HIGH LEVEL WHICH WATERLINES WERE DISCUSSING.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING YET. JOHN'S WORKING ON THAT.
>> I JUST TALKED TO HIM YESTERDAY AND HE WAS PUTTING SOME MORE STUFF TOGETHER.
AS SOON AS I SEE THAT I'LL GET IT TO LOOK AND HE CAN DISTRIBUTE THAT.
IT'S ALL THE WAY THROUGH HERE GOT SIX INCH.
>> THERE'S SOME SIX, THERE'S SOME THREE, THERE'S SOME FOUR, THERE'S SOME TWO.
>> DO YOU THINK ALL OF THOSE MIGHT NEED TO BE REPLACED OR YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO ASSESS.
>> TO BE DONE, ABANDON AND HAVE ALL THE SERVICES AND EVERYTHING TIED ONTO A NEW WATERLINE.
AS IT IS TODAY THERE'S MULTIPLE WATERLINES DOWN THERE AND SOME HOUSES ARE TIED ONTO WOOD AND SOME ARE TIED TO THE OTHER TO THE OTHER.
I WOULD LOVE TO CLEAN THAT UP.
>> SOMETIMES WE SHUT OFF WATER AND WE THINK IT'S TO THE RIGHT HOUSE AND IT'S NOT TO THE RIGHT HOUSE, THEN YOU START DIGGING IN AND IT BECOMES AN ISSUE.
>> AGAIN, PARDON MY IGNORANCE ON THIS, BUT I MEAN THE PROPOSALS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT WOULD CLEAN ALL THIS UP THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OR IS THIS.
>> THIS IS GOING TO BE WEATHER SENSITIVE IF WE WANTED TO START IT NOW?
>> ON WATERLINE NOT AS WEATHER SENSITIVE AS ROAD.
>> WHAT'S A REALISTIC TIME-FRAME TO TACKLE THIS PROJECT AND FINISH IT?
>> IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO ENGINEER THIS.
REALISTICALLY, I DON'T THINK WE'D GET IT DONE THIS WINTER.
>> WELL, AS FAR AS WEATHER SENSITIVE, NOT DURING THE SUMMERTIME. [LAUGHTER]
>> YEAH. WE WERE SENSITIVE IN THE SUMMERTIME BECAUSE OF DEMAND.
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WE CAN STILL WORK ON IT.>> YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] WE GOT BACK FEET CAPABILITIES THERE.
IT'S JUST YOU DON'T WANNA DO THAT THOUGH.
YOU ELIMINATE ONE FEED IN AND YOU ONLY GOT IT BACK-UP FEED THAT YOU FEED AND YOU GET A PROBLEM IT REAL QUICK.
BUT TWO YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO WHEN THEY TOOK DOWN THE MAIN FEED.
>> FROM START TO FINISH, IS THIS A TWO-MONTH PROJECT OR A SIX-MONTH PROJECT? JUST HELP ME WRAP MY ARMS AROUND IT.
>> THE WATERLINES ARE ABOUT A YEAR.
>> THAT KIND OF HITS ME SIDEWAYS HERE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT IF WE START NOW, WE'RE NOT DOING THE ROAD UNTIL NEXT MARCH, NOT THIS COMING MARCH, BUT NEXT MARCH. AM I HEARING THAT RIGHT?
>> POTENTIALLY UNLESS WE CAN SPEED THAT UP SOME WAY.
>> CAN YOU MAYBE SHARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS? IN OTHER WORDS, HOW MUCH OF THAT DO YOU THINK WILL TAKE FOR THE ENGINEERING PIECE BEFORE THEY ARE EVEN ABLE TO GO GET THE BID AND THEN START THE WORK.
>> THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF ENGINEERING THAT GOES INTO THIS TO TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT AND MAKE SURE WE COVER EVERYTHING.
THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME.
>> WAY MORE THAN THAT. THEN THE ACTUAL INSTALLATION OF THE WATERLINE IS LESS THAN THE WATERLINE TAKE MONTHS TO FINISH THAT.
BUT THE ENGINEERING IS WHAT'S GOING TO TAKE THE LONGEST.
>> DOES THE DRAINAGE PLANNING NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WATERLINE PLANNING OR ARE THOSE CAN BE SEPARATE?
>> YOU'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT SOUTH DUBLIN.
>> SO FAR, BUT WE NEED TO ALSO TALK ABOUT NORTH DUBLIN ALSO.
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, MAYOR PETTLE.
BUT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT ALL OF THE WATERLINE.
>> I NEED TO GET CLARIFICATION FROM JOHN ON THE NUMBER THAT HE PROPOSED, WHICH I THOUGHT IT WAS THE ENTIRE LINK.
BUT I THINK TO HURRY UP AND GET THIS THING MOVING NEEDED TO WORK ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF DUBLIN ROAD AND THAT WHERE WE CAN START PAVING THAT AND WE CAN DO WATERLINE ON THE NORTH PORTION.
>> MAYBE WHAT WILL I WANT TO ASK JUST BECAUSE I'M GETTING A LITTLE CONFUSED.
[LAUGHTER] EASY BECAUSE I'M A MAN OF SMALL BRAIN.
BUT I GUESS WHAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO JUST THE SOUTH PORTION IN THE WATERLINE THERE, DOES THAT TIME SCHEDULE WITH ENGINEERING AND GETTING IT DONE AND ALL THAT FIT INTO A SCHEDULE OR BY MARCH WE COULD REDO THE S CURVE IN THAT AREA SOUTH.
OR IF NOT, WHAT IS THE TIME SCHEDULE?
>> WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PIECE THAT IN.
I JUST DO THAT PIECE AND MOVE THAT FASTER JUST THE S CURVE.
BUT TO DO THE WHOLE THING IS GOING TO TAKE PROBABLY MORE TIME THAN THAT.
>> CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT YOU MEAN BY MORE TIME? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A YEAR, YOU TALKING ABOUT SIX MONTHS.
CAN YOU GIVE US ANY KIND OF ESTIMATE YEAR?
>> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO JOHN ABOUT LOAD BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING] A LOT OF IT IS HOW BUSY ARE THE CONTRACTORS RIGHT NOW TOO, HOW BIG IS THIS PROJECT GOING TO BE.
IF IT COMES IN AT 800,000 ESTIMATED HERE, I'M JUST THROWING THIS NUMBER, IT MIGHT NOT BE WORTH A LOT OF CONTRACTOR'S TIME AND EFFORT TO MOBILIZE FOR AN $800,000 PROJECT WHEN THEY CAN DO SOMETHING FOR NORTH TEXAS FOR 20 MILLION.
IT'S ALL DEPENDENT UPON STUFF LIKE THAT.
THE SECOND TAKE POINT, WE GOT A REAL GOOD BID ON THAT DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE PICKED A WEEK TO GO OUT FOR BID WHEN THERE WAS NO OTHER BIDS GOING OUT THAT WEEK.
THE STUFF LIKE THAT WE CAN LOOK FOR DURING THOSE TIME PERIODS.
GARY, CAN YOU MAKE A NOTE OF THAT FOR US TO GET WITH JOHN ON THAT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEN WE CAN SEND OUT A MEMO TO Y'ALL ON THAT PORTION OF IT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF I CAN INTERRUPT JUST FOR ONE SECOND, IS THAT OKAY? THE ACTION I WOULD THINK THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS IS NUMBER 1, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO THE WATER AT THE S-CURVE AND SOME TYPE OF HEAVING SITUATION, THAT'D BE CASE 1.
CASE 2 WOULD BE THE S-CURVE IN THE SOUTH PORTION AND THE ASSOCIATED WATERLINE.
THEN I GUESS CASE 3 WOULD BE WHATEVER LEVEL OF PAVING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, BUT ALL OF THE WATERLINES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND THEN THE TIMINGS FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE, I THINK.
I THINK WE NEED ALL THOSE OPTIONS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE CAN DO. [OVERLAPPING]
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>> ON THE THIRD OPTION, JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE YOU SAYING ALL OF DUBLIN ROAD OR?
>> WELL, IT WOULD BE WHATEVER THAT WE WANT TO DECIDE BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, I THINK IF YOU HAVE THE WATERLINE ON BOTH SIDES AND THE S-CURVE TAKEN CARE OF, WE CAN DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
IF WE DO JUST A PORTION OF IT, IF WE DO 1,200, OR 1,500, OR 600, IT DOESN'T MATTER AS WE ALL DONE.
BUT SINCE YOU'RE LOOKING AT BOTH SIDES OF THE NORTH AND SOUTH PORTION OF IT, THEN THE WATERLINE WILL BE IMPACTED ON BOTH SIDES, I THINK.
>> WELL, IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE THAT LONG, IT MAY BE THAT WE WILL HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THE ENTIRE ROAD AT ONE TIME, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT A CONTRACTOR'S WORTHWHILE TO COME OUT AND DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW.
>> THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. WE WILL HAVE TO WEIGH THAT WITHIN THE OTHER SCOPE OF OTHER ROWS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AT THE SAME TIME.
WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE WHAT MAKES SENSE.
WHAT'S THE BEST ECONOMIES OF SCALE AND WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
>> BUT TO GO BACK TO THE WATER, AND I UNDERSTAND CONTRACTORS AVAILABILITY, AND JUST TAKE ALL OF THAT OUT IN A PERFECT WORLD, IS THIS MORE THAN A YEAR, GARY?
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING MORE THAN TWO.
>> THAT HELPS ME WRAP IT. [INAUDIBLE]
>> IF EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT, ENGINEERING SIX MONTHS, AND THEN GOD FORBID, DEPENDING ON THE CONTRACTORS, THAT'S WHAT REALLY IS GOING TO DRIVE IT FROM THAT POINT ON.
>> IT COULD BE LESS THAN A YEAR.
>> YEAH, CONTRACTORS AVAILABILITY FROM THAT POINT ON.
>> IN THEORY, THE WATER WOULD BE 18 MONTHS BEFORE YOU COULD EVEN START THE ROAD, AND THEN THE ROAD WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY A YEAR?
>> NO. THIS IS IDEAL, ENGINEERING SIX MONTHS FOR THE WATERLINE, AND THEN BIDDING THAT OUT, SO IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT ANOTHER MONTH TO BID THAT OUT.
THEN FROM THAT POINT ON, HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO GET ONSITE.
YOU COULD SAY EIGHT MONTHS, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM THIS POINT, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT APRIL.
YOU COULD PROBABLY START BY THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR ON THE ROAD POTENTIALLY, AND HAVING IT WRAPPED UP, IN A PERFECT WORLD, OCTOBER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> -WHICH WILL LIVE IN. [LAUGHTER]
>> DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS BY OCTOBER IF IT WAS PERFECT.
>> ADD IN FOUR MONTHS FOR NOT PERFECT?
>> YEAH, ADD A A COUPLE OF MORE MONTHS AND THEN THROW IN WEATHER AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WILL HIT.
WE KNOW BECAUSE AS I TELL OUR DEVELOPERS, THERE'S CERTAIN MONTHS THAT ARE RAINY AND PLAIN ON RAIN HAPPENING FOR SIX MONTHS STRAIGHT AT SOME POINT.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT WE LOOK AT THE ENGINEERING SCOPE TO BE THE WHOLE PROJECT ON DUBLIN ROAD NORTH AND SOUTH.
BECAUSE TO ME, IF THE ENGINEER IS GOING TO START MAKING A PLAN AND GET INVOLVED IN EVALUATING THIS TYPE OF A PROJECT, IT SEEMS LIKE JUST ON THE SURFACE FOR THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE ENGINEER TO JUST DESIGN THE WHOLE PROJECT, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASES AFTER WE HAVE THE PLAN.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT IS THE COST OF ENGINEERING THE WHOLE DUBLIN ROAD AS ONE LINE ITEM AND THEN BREAK IT APART AS A SEPARATE.
>> I THINK JOHN, THE 1.5 AND 1.58 WAS I THINK IT WAS THE ENTIRE DUBLIN ROAD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, IS DOING THAT ENTIRE WATERLINE.
I'LL GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
I THOUGH I HAD THAT NUMBER SOMEWHERE HERE FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
>> I THINK SHIDA'S LOOKING AT FROM 2020 WHICH WAS COMBINES THEM AROUND 3 MILLION FOR EVERYTHING.
BUT TAKE A STEP BACK AND FORGIVE ME FOR CONFUSION, BUT CAN SOMEONE CLARIFY, I GUESS, THE INNER WORKINGS AND THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE DRAINAGE ISSUE AT THE S-CURVE AND THE WHOLE WATERLINE ISSUE? IT SEEMS LIKE WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE WATERLINE AND THEN DRAINAGE, AND IT'S, WELL, HOW ARE THOSE NECESSARILY CONNECTED?
>> THERE'S THREE ELEMENTS, THE ROAD SURFACE, THE WATERLINE, AND THEN DRAINAGE.
THE WATERLINE WOULD NEED TO BE DONE FIRST BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO LAY DOWN A NEW ROAD SURFACE AND THEN GO FIX DRAINAGE AND THEN COME IN AND DO A WATERLINE OF TEAR ALL THAT UP AND THEN FIX IT BACK, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WATERLINE.
THEN THE DRAINAGE TIES INTO THE ROAD SURFACE BECAUSE WITHOUT PROPER DRAINAGE, YOU'RE GOING TO WRECK THE BASE ON NEW ROAD AND CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR YOUR NEW ROADS.
>> FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THE WATERLINES THEMSELF,
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I KNOW THAT THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT SAYING, HEY, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A LARGER WATERLINE, AND HEY, THE WATERLINES ARE ONLY A FOOT DEEP SO THEY COME IN TO REPAIR MORE THAN THEY SHOULD, BECAUSE OF JUST THE PLAIN DEPTH OF THEM.BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY EVER REMEMBER SAYING THAT THE WATER LINES WERE IN DISREPAIR AND NEEDED TO REPLACE
>> THEY'RE UNDERSIZED TO THAT SIDE OF TOWN
>> IT SHOULD BE AN EIGHT INCH LINE, SO IT HAS A FIRE PLUG ON IT IN THOSE AREAS.
>> FOR FIRE PROTECTION, WE NEED THE EIGHT INCH.
>> YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW THAT SOMEONE SAYING THAT UNDER SIDE OF IT NOW THEY CANNOT STAY IN IT'S EXISTING STATE?
>> THEY CAN STAY IN ITS EXISTING STATE AS LONG AS WE WANT IT TO.
BUT TO PROVIDE THE BEST SERVICE FOR OUR RESIDENTS, IT SHOULD BE AN EIGHT INCH LINE
>> SHOULD BE, COULD BE, WOULD BE, BUT THE POINT IS [OVERLAPPING] PROBABLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT, HEY, IT HAS TO BE, OTHERWISE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPLY WATER FOR PUTTING OUT FIRES.
>> YOU RUN INTO THAT POTENTIAL.
>> IS THERE SOMEONE [LAUGHTER] OF AUTHORITY SAYING ABSOLUTELY, THAT LINE WILL NOT SUFFICE WHAT WE HAVE TODAY? WE'D HAVE TO GET WITH JOHN AND SEE ON THAT.
BUT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, YOU GET THESE NEW FIRE TRUCKS, THEY CAN PUMP A WHOLE LOT MORE CAPACITY, THEY'LL COLLAPSE THESE WATER LINES. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
>> IT WILL SUCK IT IN AND COLLAPSE IT.
>> JUST THAT MUCH PSI AND PRESSURE IS A PULSE?
>> THEY'LL SUCK IT UP ON THAT LINE, THEY'LL COLLAPSE.
>> ONE OTHER QUESTION AND MAYBE MY MISUNDERSTANDING ON THIS IS, WEREN'T THESE LINES OLD SCHOOL ASBESTOS LINED OR SOMETHING LIKE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S AN ISSUE, SO ONCE YOU GO IN THERE, YOU PRETTY MUCH HAD TO REPLACE THEM, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> WE REPLACE PIECES OF IT OFTEN.
A LOT OF TIMES WE JUST PUT A CLAMP.
THEY DON'T REALLY SPLIT AROUND IT, IT JUST BREAK LIKE A SAW CUT, JUST PUT A CLAMP ON THAT AND FIX IT, HAPPENS A LOT ON ASBESTOS LINE.
>> I WOULD ASSUME THAT RIGHT NOW THE PUMPER TRUCKS THAT WE HAVE INCLUSIVE OF THE LADDER TRUCK, WHATEVER THE PUMP CAPACITY IS, ET CETERA, IS NOT GOING TO COLLAPSE THE LINE.
>> WELL, THEN I ASSUME THAT WHATEVER THE GUY'S NAME IS, THE TECHNICIAN GUY ON THE PUMP IDENTIFIES HOW MUCH IT'S PUMPING OUT, AND CAN IDENTIFY WHERE HE WANTS TO TAKE THAT WATER PRESSURE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHY FIRE HYDRANTS ARE IDENTIFIED BY COLOR, SO THEY KNOW WHAT SIZE LINE THEY'RE ON, SO THAT THEY KNOW THEY'RE PUMPING CAPACITY IF THEY'RE PAYING ATTENTION.
>> FROM THAT ASPECT, THE FIRE TRUCK CAN IDENTIFY IT AND CAN PREVENT DESTROYING THAT LINE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION, IS THERE ANYONE THAT SAYS THOSE LINES HAVE TO BE REPLACED AS IS OR ARE SIGNIFICANT ISSUE TO THE CITY?
>> THAT'S AN OPINION OF BIRKHOFF'S AND MINE THAT THOSE LINES NEED TO BE REPLACED.
THEY'RE OLDER THAN THE ASBESTOS CEMENT LINES AND THEY'RE UNDERSIZED.
THERE'S SOME HOUSES THAT ARE ON TWO INCH LINES NOW AND THEY SHOULD BE ON AN EIGHT INCH LINE.
>> IN A YEAR'S TIME, HOW MANY TIMES ARE YOU HAVING TO WORK ON THOSE LINES, DO YOU?
>> DEPENDS ON THE YEAR AND HOW DAMAGING THE WEATHER IS TO IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD BEEN OUT THERE A WHOLE LOT LATELY BUT WE HAVE IN THE PAST, SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON DUBLIN.
>> BUT THERE'S NOT A TEXAS CODE THAT REQUIRES BY 2026 ALL THREE INCH LINE SHOULD BE CHANGED TO EIGHT OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, IS THERE?
>> NO. THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AD REPLACE THEM IF THEY'RE SERVICE AND WORKING.
WHEN YOU GO THROUGH AND REPLACE THEM, YOU NEED TO BRING THEM UP TO STANDARD WHICH IS EIGHT INCH.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I THINK IT WAS 2015 WHEN DUBLIN ROAD WASHED OUT.
THEY WENT BACK IN WITH THE WATER PIPES THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE AT THE TIME, WHICH WERE LITTLE PIPES.
THEY WERE UNDERSIZED FOR DUBLIN ROAD, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD TO PUT IN.
IT WAS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, AND IT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED THAT THEY WOULD GO BACK AND PUT IN THE RIGHT SIZE WHENEVER WE REDID DUBLIN.
>> AGAIN, DUBLIN ROAD PERSPECTIVE.
IF THERE'S MORE AND MORE THAT ARE GOING TO SUCK, THAT'S PROBABLY A WRONG WORD TAKE WATER [LAUGHTER] FROM THE WATERLINES ON DUBLIN ROAD, THEN YOU'D SAY, I NEED TO LOOK AT, AT LEAST POTENTIALLY INCREASING THE LINES BECAUSE I CAN HAVE THAT MUCH MORE NEED FOR CAPACITY LATER.
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BUT THE WATERLINES EXIST ON DUBLIN ROAD NOW, IS IT REALLY GOING TO BE ANY MORE DEVELOPMENT OF ANY NATURE THAT IS GOING TO PULL FROM THAT DUBLIN WATERLINE?>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THERE'S THE 50-ACRE PIECE THAT I THINK A COUPLE OF THOSE JUST BOUGHT.
I THINK THEIR PLANS TODAY ARE TO LEAVE 50 ACRES THAT COULD DEVELOP ONE DAY AND TURN INTO MORE HOUSES.
I DON'T KNOW ANY THAT WOULD END UP BEING 20 MORE PLOTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THAT AREA IS PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT.
I DON'T SEE A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN DENSITY DOWN THERE.
UNLESS PEOPLE START SELLING OFF AND SPLITTING IT UP INTO SMALLER ONE-OFFS OR SOMETHING OUT. I WON'T SEE THAT.
>> THEN WASN'T THERE SOME DISCUSSION IN PREVIOUSLY THAT SAID IF YOU WENT IN WITH ADDITIONAL WATERLINE AND THE 10-INCH WHATEVER, THAT'S WHERE WE I THINK TODD BRIEFLY MENTIONED THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME POTENTIAL LAND ISSUES WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND SAY, CAN WE DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE LANDOWNERS THERE, RIGHT? OR NO?
>> I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO CALL IT.
>> YOU MEAN, THE RIGHT OF WAY?
>> BECAUSE I THINK TERRY AND I HAD SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME AT ONE POINT IN TIME TRYING TO IDENTIFY ALL THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ISSUES ALONG DUBLIN.
THERE'S QUITE A MISHMASH OF WHAT RIGHT OF WAYS THERE ARE.
>> THERE ARE SOME RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN THERE'S SOMEWHERE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ONTO THE CENTER OF THE ROAD.
>> SO PRIOR TO HAVING TO DO WATERLINES, ALL THOSE RIGHT-OF-WAY ISSUES WOULD HAVE TO BE RESOLVED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, I WOULD GUESS.
>> WELL, THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ANY QUESTION BECAUSE WE HAVE A PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT OF WAY THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO WORK IN THERE BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE WHERE SHE'S COMFORTABLE.
>> AMANDA, WHAT'S NEXT? [LAUGHTER]
>> IT'S FINE, I'LL JUST LET HER FINISH.
>> NO, I WAS JUST SAYING WE'LL JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE LIKE WE HAVE WITH SOME OF OTHER STREETS TO SEE WHAT TO BE ACCOMPLISHED AND WITHIN OUR RIGHT OF WAY OR PERSPECTIVE INSTANCE.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, ON THE S-CURVES THERE ON THE EASTSIDE OF THE S-CURVE, WE DO HAVE SOME EASEMENTS THROUGH THERE.
WE WOULD HAVE AREAS ALONG THAT SECTION THERE WHERE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE WENT IN.
WE HAVE GOTTEN EASEMENTS THROUGH THERE AND I'M SURE WE CAN WORK WITH THE TEMPORAL TENTS. [OVERLAPPING].
>> WITH OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY EASEMENT ON THAT SIDE.
>> YEAH. WELL, I'M SURE WE CAN WORK WITH THE TEMPORAL TENTS AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THAT AREA TO GET THE REMAINING EASEMENTS THAT WE MIGHT NEED FOR THAT WATERLINE, AT LEAST ON THE SOUTHSIDE.
NORTHSIDE, I THINK IT'S GOING TO GET A LITTLE TRICKY AS WE GO ACROSS BETSY, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO GET A LITTLE BIT TRICKIER, BUT WE'LL CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE GET TOWARDS THAT GETTING THAT DESIGN PART OF IT.
>> JUST ONE QUESTION REGARDING THE MAINTENANCE ON THE WATERLINES, DO YOU EVER HAVE TO FIX A PROBLEM WHERE THE WATERLINE IS BENEATH THE ROADWAY WHERE YOU'VE HAD TO CUT INTO THE UNDERNEATH THE ROAD TO CORRECT A WATERLINE ISSUE?
>> NOT NECESSARILY IN DUBLIN ROAD, BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE ROADWAY MOSTLY THERE.
IT DOES CROSS UNDER IN PLACES, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD TO FIX THOSE, BUT WE HAVE TO CUT CONCRETE ROADS UP QUITE A BIT TO FIX WATER LINES.
>> YES, THERE ARE ROADS IN PARKER THAT HAS THE WATERLINE UNDER THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. YES.
>> WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT OUT OF THAT ROAD, FOR THAT REASON, BUT WE'LL NOT ALWAYS ABLE TO.
>> I'M SURE AT INTERSECTIONS, I CAN APPRECIATE IT.
YOU HAVE TO CROSS OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE, BUT JUST THE LONG ROADWAY.
I WAS WONDERING IF IT'S CLEAR OF THE MAIN ROADWAY WHERE BUT MEANDERS UNDERNEATH OR CROSSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> THAT WATERLINE DOWN DUBLIN DOES THIS.
IT GOES OUT TO THE ROAD AND INTO THE FENCE AND OUT TO THE ROAD INTO THE FENCE.
>> FOR MY QUESTION I GUESS, TO ME, FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE AS I'M STILL NOT ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT I'VE HEARD OF ANYTHING THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE WATERLINES.
WE DO KNOW WE HAVE MAJOR ISSUES ON THE ROAD AND WE KNOW THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT NEED TO DO DRAINAGE WORK ON THE S-CURVE.
THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL DEMAND GOING TO BE ON THAT PARTICULAR WATERLINE.
THEN THE QUESTION IS, FOR TODAY, FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS ANYWAY, SHOULD WE BE INSTEAD OF JUST LOOKING RIGHT NOW AT THAT S-CURVE SITUATION, IDENTIFY AND IF WE NEED TO DO ANY DRAINAGE WORK AND DO THE ROAD AND PUSH BACK THE WATERLINES?
>> RANDY, I'M ACTUALLY FINE WITH THAT PROPOSAL.
BUT MY PROBLEM IS, THE WATERLINE IS GOING TO NEED TO BE REPLACED AT SOME POINT.
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IF WE SEE THAT SAME MAYBE 5 YEARS AND WE PUT A GOOD ROAD SURFACE DOWN TODAY.YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK IN 5 YEARS AND TEAR THAT UP TO FIX THAT.
IF YOU GUYS DECIDED THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, THAT'S FINE.
LET'S AT LEAST THINK ABOUT IT AND SEE. THAT'S ALL.
>> BUT YOU HAVEN'T CONVINCED ME, IS TO WHY IN 5 YEARS WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO REPLACE THE WATERLINES.
>> WELL, WE GOT 2-INCH LINES FEEDING 8-INCH AND 6-INCH LINES.
>> YEAH. WE'VE GOT CHOKE POINTS ALONG THAT WHOLE LINE.
TYPICALLY, YOU'LL WANT THAT SYSTEM LOOPED.
YOU'VE GOT 8-INCH LINES THAT ARE LOOPED INTO A 2-INCH LINE.
WE CAN'T KEEP PRESSURE THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM IN THOSE AREAS.
>> THAT WOULD MEAN IF WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY MORE PEOPLE PULL FROM THAT THICKER LINE RIGHT NOW, IT'S FAIRLY BUILT OUT RIGHT NOW UNTIL THE POTENTIAL TEMPORAL TENTS GOES.
ARE WE HAVING A BUNCH OF CITIZEN COMPLAINTS AND I HAVE NO WATER PRESSURE BECAUSE OF THESE 2-INCH LINES?
>> THE PRESSURES FOR US FOR POINTS OF TIME WHEN WE HAVE HIGH USAGE, LIKE WHEN WE ARE DURING DROUGHT PERIODS.
>> WHEN WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN TO MAKE A REPAIR, IF WE HAVE TO SHUT OR FED BY AN 8-INCH UP THROUGH DOWN HOLD BOATMAN ROAD, WHICH IS A DIRT ROAD BEHIND ALL THOSE HOUSES THAT GO DOWN DUBLIN AND ACROSS INTO DUBLIN PARK, AND THE 8-INCH GOES IN THERE AND THEN IT FEEDS BACK IN, TO DUBLIN ROAD BACK THAT WAY.
IF WE HAVE TO SHUT THAT LINE DOWN, IF WE'RE ONLY FEEDING THAT SIDE OF TOWN THROUGH THAT LINE THAT'S GOT THE 2-INCH AND 4-INCH AND 3-INCH IN DIFFERENT CHOKE POINTS, IT IS HARD TO GET WATER TO THOSE PEOPLE.
>> I JUST HAVEN'T HEARD THAT THERE HAS BEEN MAJOR COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT.
I DO KNOW THERE'S MAJOR COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD MAJOR COMPLAINTS ABOUT WATER ISSUES.
>> I HAVE ABOUT THE PRESSURE ON THE NORTH END.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE AGE OF THESE LINES.
DO WE KNOW THE AGE OF THESE LINES AND THE HOW? WHAT IS THE EXPECTED AGE OF WATERLINES?
>> WE'RE NOT GIVEN BIRTHDAY PARTY OF THEM.
>> BACKOFF, I WOULD HAVE A GOOD ANSWER OF THAT QUESTION.
THE AGE OF THOSE LINES AND AN ESTIMATION THAT I COULD MAKE WOULD BE BACK FROM THE MCCONNELL ORCHARD WATER SUPPLY DAYS.
A LOT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE OLD FROM PROBABLY BACK IN THE '60S AND '70S.
I THINK A FAIR ESTIMATION IS 25 YEARS OF USEFUL LIFE ON SOME OF THESE WATERLINES BEFORE WE STARTED HAVING PROBLEMS OUT OF THEM.
>> BUT THE EMERGENCY LINES WENT IN IN 2015, IF I HEARD YOU CORRECT.
>> JUST THAT ONE PART THAT WASHED OUT.
>> ON THAT ROAD. ON ROAD DUBLIN.
>> NO. IT'S LIKE A CROSS FROM JOHN CHISHOLM SOUTH.
THERE WAS A PIECE OF DUBLIN ROAD THAT JUST WENT AWAY AND THEY DID EMERGENCY REPAIRS.
THEY TOOK WATERLINES THEY HAD IN THE SHED AND PUT THEM IN TO GET EVERYTHING BACK TO SNUFF.
THAT'S WHAT GARY'S TALKING ABOUT, THE 2-INCH LINES TO THE 8-INCH LIDES.
>> QUANTITY OF PIPES THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED FROM TWO TO 8.
>> YOU CAN SEE UP HERE YOU'VE GOT SOME 3-INCH, UP HERE AND SOME 6-INCH, AND THEN DOWN HERE YOU'VE GOT SOME 2-INCH.
THAT 8-INCH FEEDS ON THE BACKSIDE.
THIS IS WHERE THAT ALL BOZEMEN COMES DOWN ON THE BACKSIDE HERE, OR DUBLIN PARK, FEEDS THE BACKSIDE HERE.
THEY'VE GOT 8-INCH ALL THROUGH HERE.
WE REQUIRED THE DEVELOPER, WHO LOOKS LIKE BACK THEN AND DO THAT, BUT THEN DEAD ENDS DOWN HERE UNTIL 6-INCH.
YOU'D LIKE TO GET THAT ALL LOOPED IN TO EQUALIZE THAT PRESSURE THROUGHOUT THAT SYSTEM, UP DUBLIN ROAD.
ALL THESE HOUSES FEEDING OFF OF IT.
MOST OF THESE HOUSES DO HAVE A SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
>> FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM WITHIN THEM.
THEY DO HAVE INTERCONNECTS FOR THAT TOO, SO, THOSE SYSTEMS WILL CALL AS THE MAYOR HAD THAT HAPPENED TO HER HOUSE, [LAUGHTER] SHE'S VERY WELL AWARE THAT THEY WILL PULL A LOT OF WATER REAL QUICK.
>> ONE OTHER QUESTION IF I CAN ASK UNLESS THE COUNCILMEMBER AFFECT US, YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD GO?
>> IF WE WERE TO DO THE ALL 8-INCH LINE, WOULD THERE BE OTHER BENEFITS THAT WE CAN EMPLOY SUCH AS WHERE THE LINE IS ROUTED AND ALL THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE WEIGHT IT'S UNDER THE ROAD AND WOULD WE BYPASS ALL OF THAT,
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JUST LEAVE THAT LINE THERE AND THEN PUT OTHER LINE IN THAT IS MORE, I GUESS, DESIRABLE IF WE HAVE TO GET TO IT AND NOT HAVE TO GO UNDER THE ROAD OR WILL YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE PARTS OF THE LINE UNDER THE ROAD?>> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE PIECES UNDER THE ROAD.
THERE'S JUST NO GETTING AROUND THAT TO CROSS.
>> WOULD IT BE LESS THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW? POSSIBLY OR NO?
>> THE NICE THING IS WE'D BE ABLE TO GET PARTS QUICKER FOR THE POLYLINE THAN WE ARE WITH US ON THIS AC LINE.
>> YES. WE CAN CONSOLIDATE INVENTORY.
>> BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO CALL KERALTON.
>> FARMERS BRANCH, FORT WORTH. [OVERLAPPING].
>> FOR THE PARTS AND WE CAN'T FIND IN SUPPLY HOUSES.
>> HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT'LL TAKE TO GET THE ESTIMATES THAT COUNCILMEMBER REED BROUGHT UP EARLIER ON THOSE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS?
TO GIVE THE ESTIMATES. I IMAGINE WE COULD GET SOME ESTIMATES PROBABLY PRETTY QUICK WITHIN MAYBE A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
>> THEN WE NEED TO MAKE A FUNDAMENTAL DECISION OF DO THE WATER LINES ARE NOT BECAUSE YOU'RE TURNED UP ROADS AND HAVING ADDITIONAL COST. IN YOUR OPINION?
>> IT JUST MAKES GOOD SENSE IN MY OPINION, BUT IF HE DECIDED NOT TO, THAT'S OKAY TOO.
THE WATER SYSTEM FUNCTIONS TODAY.
>> DO WE WANT TO KEEP DISCUSSING DUBLIN OR MAKE A DECISION ON IT? OR DO WE WANT TO NOW GO TO LEWIS LANE?
>> I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT I'M EQUALLY AS INTERESTED IN THE OVERALL SCOPE TO FIX NORTH DUBLIN ROAD.
I KNOW WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT SOUTH DUBLIN ROAD, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT NORTH DUBLIN ROAD IS EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT AND WILL BE SCOPED EQUALLY WITH AN EQUAL IMPORTANCE.
BUT WE JUST STARTED TALKING ABOUT SOUTH DUBLIN ROAD JUST DUE TO THE S-CURVE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE, I FEEL LIKE ALL OF DUBLIN ROAD IS EQUALLY IMPORTANT.
>> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK ONE OF THE THREE SCENARIOS WAS ALL OF DUBLIN, SO WE CAN GET AN ESTIMATE AND LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF IT ALL.
>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I'M MAKING NOTES HERE.
WE WANT A COST ESTIMATE FOR THE WATERLINE FOR ALL OF DUBLIN, CAN WE BREAK THAT OUT ON A NORTH AND SOUTH BASIS? IS THAT ALL RIGHT COUNCIL?
>> THEN DO THE ROADWAY THE SAME WAY AND THEN LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE FROM THE S-CURVE.
WOULD THAT POTENTIALLY WOULD LOOK LIKE GOING DOWN SMITH?
>> BUT THAT COSTS WOULD LOOK LIKE, IS THAT? THANK YOU.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON NORTH DUBLIN THAT ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CURVE BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY ACCIDENTS AND THE POLICE AND BROUGHT IT DARK TENSION.
>> IT IS. IT'S A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'VE GOT A TRUCK COMING IN YOUR FRONT YARD AND YOU GOT BABIES OUT THERE PLAYING.
>> TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION WE SHOULD HAVE NOW WHILE WE'RE WRAPPING UP OUR DISCUSSION ON DUBLIN ROAD TO BRING THAT TOPIC UP IN TERMS OF THE S-CURVE ON NORTH DUBLIN, IS THERE ANY CONVERSATION, DISCUSSION, OR INFORMATION WE SHOULD JUST SHARE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THE WHOLE SCOPE?
>> ONE THING LUCAS SAID ON SEVERAL TIMES AND I STILL DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WERE OTHER OPTIONS FOR.
>> WHAT GARY AND I HAVE TALKED WITH A STRIPING COMPANY.
THEY HAVE AN OPTION THEY'VE DONE IN SOME OTHER AREAS IS MORE OF AN OPTICAL ILLUSION.
WHAT THEY DO IS THEY MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S NARROWER IN THAT SECTION.
THEN WHAT THEY DO, THEY STRIPE IT LIKE THAT.
THEN PEOPLE TEND TO SLOW DOWN BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LOT NARROWER ROADWAY PATH THAN IT REALLY IS.
THEY'VE DONE THAT IN OTHER CITIES, CREATING THAT ALMOST AN OPTICAL ILLUSION.
THAT IS AN OPTION THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THAT TOO.
THAT'S AN INEXPENSIVE TO TRY SOMETHING OUT.
>> IT'S NOT A LONG-TERM. IT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND SEE IF IT WORKS AND WE CAN GET THAT TO WORK THEN, LET'S TRY IT AND SEE, GO FROM THERE.
>> I ALSO I'M A FAN AT AND I MAYBE ALONE ON THIS.
I'M A FAN OF HAVING THE STOP SIGNS THERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WILL ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE, I REMEMBER WHEN CHIEF BROOKS WAS HERE AND WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THAT AND WE SAW THE ACCIDENT.
FREQUENCY WAS MUCH HIGHER THERE,
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AND I THINK IF I REMEMBER THE DATE OR I COULD BE OFF, BUT I THINK 85% OF THOSE WERE ALL SPEEDING.ALSO, WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THERE BECAUSE YOU CAN GET THEIR ADDRESS BECAUSE WHEN THEY PAY FOR THE VIOLATION.
THEY WERE MAJORITY NOT RESIDENCE HERE.
I THINK THAT HAVING THAT STOP SIGN THERE, WE KNOW IT BECAUSE WE LIVE HERE, BUT IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN THERE AND ESPECIALLY NOW FOR REPAIR THE ROAD, [LAUGHTER] AND THERE'LL BE BARRELING DOWN THERE 50 MILES AN HOUR PLUS AND THEN THEY'LL COME IN AND IT'S HARD LEFT TURN.
IF THEY DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S COMING IN, I THINK THE STRIPING IS A LITTLE BIT OF A WARNING ALSO, BUT I THINK THE STOP SIGN WILL CAUSE PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN.
>> WE HAD SOME CURVED SIGNS THERE, BUT I THINK MOST HAVE BEEN KNOCKED DOWN.
[LAUGHTER] I DON'T KNOW [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK GARY JUST GOT A NEW SUPPLY THOUGH.
BY THE TIME YOU SEE THE CURVES SIDE THAT JUST THE ORIENTATION OF THE WEATHER THAT S-CURVE.
I THINK THE STOP SIGNS AWAY WHEN YOU SEE A STOP SIGN, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO STOP IT'S NOT JUST A CURVE.
THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT IT TOO, IS THAT ALTHOUGH THE STOP SIGNS WOULD BE THERE FOR THE SAFETY PART OF IT, SOMEBODY RUNS THE STOP SIGN.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL, BUT IT WILL STILL SLOW HIM DOWN.
>> I AGREE. WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR COUNCIL PUTTING OUT SIGNS AND STUFF, I WAS STUNNED AT HOW MANY PEOPLE TREAT THAT LIKE THE BAJA 500 AND DRIVES SO FAST.
THEY THINK THEY'RE ON THE GERMAN AUTOBAHN, AND THOSE CARS ARE NOTICEABLE AND THEY'RE NOT IN ZIP CODE.
>> I GOT PASSED ON SOUTH DUBLIN'S CURVE BY A BMW THAT WAS DOING WELL OVER 50 MILES AN HOUR, AND YOU JUST [LAUGHTER] IT'S JUST BLUE PASS ME.
>> WAS IT THE WHITE ONE, WAS IT? IT WAS GRAY, IT WAS ACTUALLY MINE. [LAUGHTER]
I WAS PROBABLY DOING 35, I'LL ADMIT TO THAT, BUT I WAS JUST SHOCKED THAT WAS PASSED LIKE I WAS STANDING STILL.
>> ARE WE TALKING ABOUT STOP SIGNS ON THE NORTH OR SOUTH? CURVES, I'M SORRY.
>> BOTH WAYS, SO WHAT RON MARK ROAD AND ALSO DUBLIN CREEK LANE.
>> WHATEVER POLICE CHIEF RECOMMENDS.
>> I'LL GET WITH THE CHEAPER PRICE ON THAT TOO, AND GARY.
>> ARE THE STOP SIGNS MAYBE IN THE SOUTH AS PER 50 MILES AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS?
>> THEN THAT STRIPING WOULD HELP?
>> I LIKE ALL THOSE IDEAS [OVERLAPPING] ARE GREAT.
THEY'RE NOT EXPENSIVE, AND I THINK IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO MORNING PEOPLE.
>> THEN WE'VE DONE OUR PART TO TRY TO SLOW DOWN AND WE CAN CITE THEM IN.
>> ANYTHING ELSE ON DUBLIN? DO WE WANT TO MOVE TO LEWIS LANE NOW?
>>> JERRY, YOU WANT TO START US ON LEWIS? [LAUGHTER] OR LUKE?
>> THAT'D BE THE MIRROR OF [INAUDIBLE] FROM DR. MATHEW'S HOUSE.
>> I'LL GET WITH THE CHEAP PRICE, GARY AND MR. BIRKHOFF ON THAT.
WE'LL HAVE TO CIRCLE AROUND WITH OUR ESTEEMED LEGAL COUNSEL OVER HERE TO HELP US WRITE THAT ORDINANCE TO MAKE IT LEGAL FOR YOU ALL TO PUT THOSE STOP SIGNS UP.
>> YOU WANT TO START WITH LEWIS LANE? YOU WANT ME TO? [LAUGHTER] I'LL START WITH LEWIS LANE.
[LAUGHTER] LEWIS LANE, ALSO IS JUST AS CRITICAL AS THE DUBLIN ROADS ASPECT.
I APPRECIATE THE MAP THAT OR THE PICTORIAL THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET BECAUSE IT SHOWS VERY CLEARLY THE ISSUES WE'RE DEALING WITH.
I MENTIONED TO LUKE SOME THINGS THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE CHECKED OUT BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH SOME OF WHAT'S THERE. [LAUGHTER] BUT.
[LAUGHTER] I ASSUME LUCAS DON'T AGREE WITH CERTAIN ASPECTS OF WHERE THAT ROADS AT.
>> AS IT'S MENTIONED ON PAGE 23 OF THE HANDOUT OR OF THE AGENDA PACKET,
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THE FIRST ITEM IS DETERMINING WHO OWNS EACH SECTION.I THINK BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE [LAUGHTER] WITH RESPECT TO FIXING THE ROAD, THAT IS STEP 1, WE MAY NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DO IN THE INTERIM TIME FOR DRIVING THAT ROAD, BUT TO FIX THIS ROAD, THAT IS THE FIRST THING THAT'S GOT TO HAPPEN SO THAT WE KNOW WHO OWNS WHAT AND PERHAPS NOT JUST KNOWING WHO OWNS WHAT, BUT WORKING WITH THE OTHER PARTIES TO GET AGREEMENT OF HOW WE SPLIT IT UP, SPLITTING IT UP WHERE WE HAVE ONE SIDE OF THE STREET AND THEY HAVE ANOTHER SIDE, IT WON'T WORK.
>> HAVEN'T YOU AND OR GARY TALKED TO.
>> WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
GARY AND I HAVE LOOKED AT THE MAP.
THERE ARE SOME DISCREPANCIES OF WHERE THEY BELIEVE WE OWN AND WHERE WE THINK THEY OWN.
WE'VE GOT A SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND GO OVER ALL THAT.
WE'VE JUST GOTTEN A LITTLE TIED UP WITH SOME OTHER HOUSE BILL STUFF THAT WE'VE GOT A GET DONE LEGALLY BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER.
THAT'S ON OUR LIST TO GET WITH THEM ON THAT TO GET THAT SQUARED UP ON THEM WITH THAT.
>> DOES COLLIN COUNTY STILL OWN?
>> COLLIN COUNTY HAS SOME SECTIONS ON THAT[OVERLAPPING].
>> HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH COLLIN COUNTY?
>> NO. IT DID A REALLY GOOD JOB BREAKING THIS OUT HERE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT SHE DID HERE.
BREAKING THIS SECTION OUT HERE AND GOING THROUGH ALL THESE FLATMAPS.
HELPING OUT WITH THAT. NOW, LEWIS LANE IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE.
I BELIEVE IT'S, GARY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, THAT SECTION 3 ON HERE.
>> IT'S JUST NORTH OF VILLAGE STATION.
>> NORTH OF VILLAGE STATION THERE.
THAT'S OUR SECTION RIGHT IN THERE AND WE'VE GOT A POTHOLE THAT'S FAIRLY LARGE IN THERE THAT WE NEED TO.
>> FIX THAT BAD SECTION THERE.
THAT IS A SECTION THAT WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GET REPAIRED.
>> ONE MORE TIME, IS THAT SECTION 1 THERE OR?
>> WHOEVER DID THESE MAPS TO THE HECK OF IT. [OVERLAPPING].
[OVERLAPPING] THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE IS WHERE WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE AT.
BECAUSE RIGHT HERE IS THE LEFT STATION.
HERE'S A KINGS CROSSING PHASE 3.
THIS LITTLE SECTION RIGHT IN HERE IS WHERE WE'RE HAVING SOME OF THE ISSUES.
THIS SECTION AND PHASE 4, SOUTH HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE UP TO OUR CITY LIMITS RIGHT THERE. THAT ONE'S BEEN DONE.
THAT'S THE SECTION THAT WAS DONE WITH THE GLASS MAT BY THE DEVELOPER, STEVE SOLOMON AND HIS COMPANY WITH THAT.
THIS SECTION WE WOULD LIKE TO HOPEFULLY GO BACK IN THERE, GARY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG AND REDO IT LIKE THAT SECTION TO THE SOUTH THERE.
>> IN THAT SECTION. THAT'D BE REMIXED IT ALL IN THERE.
COME IN THERE WITH THE CONCRETE SUB BASS AND DO THE GLASS MAT AND ALL THAT IN THERE.
>> I JUST ALSO WANTED TO NOTE AN ERROR ON ZONE 3, IS ACTUALLY KINGS CROSSING PHASE 4, NORTHERN BORDER TO KINGS CROSSING PHASE 3.
MY MISTAKE THERE ON ZONE 3, THAT'S ACTUALLY KINGS CROSSING PHASE 4 AT THE TOP, KINGS CROSSING PHASE 2 AT THE BOTTOM, AND PHASE 3 ON THE RIGHT.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE AREA BY KINGS CROSSING PHASE 4.
>> ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE PUT ON A PROJECT TO BE DONE CURRENTLY?
>> THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU ALL.
WE'VE GOT TO SEE, AND I GOT TO DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT IF THAT IS COLLIN COUNTY OR NOT I'M NOT REALLY SURE OF THAT.
>> IS IT OURS? I THINK THAT SECTION. [OVERLAPPING].
>> THEY CHANGED THE RULES AND I THINK 15 OR WHEN YOU [INAUDIBLE] YOU GET THE ENTIRE ROAD NOW.
I JUST HAVE, SO AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AFTER THAT.
>> WE WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK ON TO MAKE SURE.
>> THAT WILL BE THE CASE ON BOTH SIDES THEN?
>> WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE, WHETHER 24-25 FOOT WIDE SECTION THERE, GARY.
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>> L THINK WE GOT 24 [INAUDIBLE].
>> I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M REMEMBERING THIS AND I MIGHT BE REMEMBERING WRONG, BUT I WAS THINKING THAT YOU WERE TALKING TO THEM AND THEY WERE OPEN TO DOING THEIR PART OF IT ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, SO YOU GO GET THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE.
>> LUCAS WAS. [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND SEE IF WE CAN GET A BIGGER SCOPE HERE.
WE'D LIKE TO GET IT DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
BUT IF WE CAN GET AN ECONOMY OF SCALES HERE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE USING 500 TONS OF ASPHALT FOR THAT SECTION.
>> NO, IN THAT SECTION [OVERLAPPING].
>> I DON'T THINK WE'LL GET CLOSE TO THAT.
I'D LIKE TO GET A BIGGER SECTION THERE TO GET THAT 500 TONS TO GET THAT NICE LITTLE BUMPED DOWN.
>> AS YOU GO SOUTH THERE, SECTION 5 IS ALL THE COLLIN COUNTY.
ZONE 6 IS SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE ON THE WESTSIDE, FOCUS ON THE EASTSIDE.
>> CAN WE DO COLLIN COUNTY'S PORTION AND THEN BILL THEM FOR THAT?
>> YOU'D HAVE TO GET THEM TO AGREE TO PAY YOU BEFORE YOU DO THAT.
>> SOMEONE HAS SUGGESTED THAT RATHER THAN ENOUGH.
>> WE CAN ALWAYS SEND THEM A BILL, BUT THEY WON'T PAY THEY HAD TO AGREE TO.
>> AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND WE HAVE THIS LIST OF THESE ARE THE PROBLEMS IN THESE ROADS AND PERHAPS AS YOU ALL ARE COMMUNICATING AND TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM ON WHERE WE GO GOING FORWARD.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT NEED IMMEDIATE ATTENTION WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL ON LEWIS LANE.
THERE HAS BEEN A REQUEST FOR SOME TYPE OF LIGHTING OR SOMETHING AT LUCAS AND LEWIS LANE BECAUSE THEY ARE HAVING ACCIDENTS UP THAT WAY.
BUT THE ZONE 1, THIS IS ONE THAT I MENTIONED TO LOOP BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S A LUCAS'S ROAD AND THEY HAD JUST REDONE THAT ROAD RIGHT AFTER WE MOVED IN.
I THINK IT'S 2016, LUCAS DID THAT ROAD WHICH IS SHOWING SIGNIFICANT WEAR AND TEAR ALREADY AS WELL.
THEY DIDN'T USE THAT GLASS MERCURY.
[LAUGHTER] BUT THESE OTHERS, AGAIN, I JUST HATE TO SEE US FIXED OUR SIDE AND LEAVE THE OTHER.
WE NEED SOME FORMAL COMMUNICATION WITH THE OTHER OWNERS OF THOSE AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THEM REPORT BACK.
>> I DON'T LIKE HOW THE LAWS WRITTEN WHERE THE DEVELOPER ONLY HAS TO DO THERE HALF OF THE ROAD.
THEY NEVER MADE SENSE TO ME WHY IT WAS WRITTEN LIKE THAT.
DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY COULD USE JUST ONE HALF OF THE ROAD, THE OTHER HALF IS STILL COULD BE JUST AS BAD AS A [OVERLAPPING] IT COULD BE DIRT ON ONE SIDE AND ASPHALT ON THE OTHER SIDE AND IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IT'S WITHIN STATUE.
WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH LUCAS.
WE'RE GOING TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS HERE AND GET THIS TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
BRING COLLIN COUNTY ON BOARD AND GET AN IDEA OF, ALL RIGHT, THIS IS THE PROJECT WE NEED TO GET DONE.
IF IT REQUIRES US TO KIND OF SIT DOWN AND MAYBE KNOCK OUT ALL OF LEWIS LANE AND THE SECTIONS THAT AREN'T DONE AND MAYBE WE CAN COME UP WITH THAT.
I'M PRETTY SURE THAT COUNTY IS GOING TO WANT TO GIVE US THAT ROAD AFTER THE FACT. [LAUGHTER]
>> THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY.
>> YEAH, [LAUGHTER] AFTER IT'S DONE, BUT IT'S NOT UNTIL AFTER IT'S DONE.
WE WILL ACCEPT IT THEN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT IT THE WAY IT IS.
>> THE POTHOLE ON LEWIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED OR AT LEAST PATCHED IMMEDIATELY.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CORRECT?
>> GOING NORTH OF THE LIFT STATION? YES. THERE'S A BAD ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE TOO THAT IS ON THE LUCAS SIDE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ON THE LUCAS SIDE OF LEWIS LANE.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE ABOUT THAT ONE TOO.
BUT WE'LL HAVE TO TALK TO LUCAS AND SEE IF THEY WORK TUESDAY.
>> OKAY. BUT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF OURS.
>> YES. TOMORROW UNLESS WE FIND OUT WE DON'T OWN THAT, BUT I THINK WE DO.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE'LL PUT A TREE THERE.
>> YOU BUST A TOWER OUT OF A BOTTLE.
YOU REALLY DON'T CARE WHO OWNS IT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE'LL SIT DOWN WITH LUCAS ON THAT AND GET SOME SPREAD OUT.
>> BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ALSO SEGUE WAY GOING INTO THAT OR WE DO GOT A SECTION ON CURTIS THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
THAT IS [OVERLAPPING] FAILING INTO THE DITCH AREA THERE [LAUGHTER] ALONG, CURTIS.
WE DO NEED TO GET THAT SECTION WE NEED TO GET THAT SHORED UP THERE TO GET THE DITCH LINE AND THE ROADWAY SAFE TO TRAVEL ON.
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THAT WAY IF WE DO START GETTING RAIN AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS.>> I KNOW WE GOT SEPTEMBER 15TH, BUT AS IT SAYS A MONTH FULL, IS IT REALISTIC BY OCTOBER 15TH TO BRING CLOSURE OF TALKING TO LUCAS LANDOWNERS, SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THIS STUFF? IS THAT A REALISTIC TIME-FRAME OR CAN WE DO IT IN A WEEK?
>> POSSIBLY. WE CAN PUSH LUCAS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN GET THEM TO AGREE TO.
DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS MIGHT BE.
WELL, WE CAN TALK TO THEM AND SEE.
>> WE CAN TRY TO SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH THEM.
>> I THINK WE WOULD KNOW WHETHER THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE THIS YEAR OR NOT. WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
>> TO YOUR POINT, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST KEEP HAVING MEETING AFTER MEETING, AFTER MEETING AND NOT EVER GET ANYWHERE.
WE NEED TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS.
>> YOU READ MY MIND SO WELL. THANK YOU
>> [LAUGHTER] YES. I THINK WE'RE ALL THERE TODD.
>> TO YOUR POINT TODD, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US AS A COUNCIL TO ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR THESE PROJECTS IF THEY'RE NOT FIXING THE POTHOLE, FOR INSTANCE, IN THAT SECTION, I'M GUESSING IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND SAME WITH THE CURTIS ROAD PATCH.
THOSE AREN'T HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE JUST MOVE FORWARD DOWN A PATH AND KIND OF ALLOCATING THE FUNDS.
THEN YOU MOVE FORWARD DOWN THE PATH OF DETERMINING RIGHT AWAY AND THEN SCOPING THE PROJECT.
BUT WE GIVE YOU KIND OF ESSENTIALLY LIKE A NOT TO EXCEED BUDGET AND THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD FASTER.
>> THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE TO ME.
>> GRANT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE DO HAVE MONEY ALLOCATED WITHIN THE BUDGET FOR SOME ROAD MAINTENANCE WITHIN THERE.
WE COULD DO THOSE ROAD MAINTENANCE WITH WHAT'S CURRENTLY BUDGETED.
>> THE PROBLEM WOULD BE THE SIZE OF THOSE JOBS TO GET.
>> BECAUSE TEXAS BID WILL ONLY COME OUT ON CERTAIN SIZE JOBS.
IF WE HAVE TO BID THAT OUT, TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY TO BID THOSE SMALL JOBS.
AS WE'RE TRYING TO INCLUDE IT IN A BIGGER SCOPE, THAT MIGHT TURN INTO A BIGGER PROBLEM.
>> WE'LL TRY TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
WE'LL TRY TO GET SOMETHING FIGURED OUT WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK ON THAT.
>> EVEN ON PROJECTS, IF THEY'RE SMALL ENOUGH, WE CAN GET A BID OR IT TAKES SIX MONTHS, JUST HELP US WRAP OUR ARMS AROUND.
THIS IS 200,000 OR 2,000,000 IS THIS 600,000 OR 1,000,004 SO WE CAN ALLOCATE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY AND GET SOMETHING DONE.
>> WITH THAT PROJECT WE COULD END UP IN BETWEEN LIKE THIS FUNNY ZONE OF 50,000 AND 100,000 GARY.
>> ON CURTIS AND THAT POTHOLE ON LEWIS.
KIND OF LIKE IN A FUNKY LITTLE AREA WHERE IT'S REALLY A SMALL PROJECT THAT IT'S OVER THE BID THRESHOLD THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
I MEAN THIS MIGHT BE REACHING, BUT I MEAN, IF THEY'RE IN THE WHOLE AREA OF PARKER, ARE THERE OTHER LIKE REPAIRS THAT WE COULD DO THAT WE WOULD ALLOCATE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE TIME LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW THAT SPRING HILL ISN'T EVEN ON THERE, BUT THE NORTH SIDE OF SPRING HILL STARTING TO DEGRADE A LITTLE BIT.
I MEAN, YOU MIGHT PATCH UP THERE AND THERE OTHER AREAS THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO PATCHING TO MAKE IT ENOUGH THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE OR IS THAT JUST THAT'S.
>> IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO, WE CAN DO THAT.
>> I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING FROM A STANDPOINT OF THAT.
IF IT MEANS THAT YOU GO TRIGGER BETWEEN ACTUALLY GETTING SOMETHING DONE IN A REASONABLE TIME POINT OF TIME AND MAYBE WE'D LOOK AT IT AT A LITTLE WIDER SCOPE IF IT ISN'T A CRAZY.
>> WELL, IF WE JUST DO A POTHOLE, IT SEEMS LIKE A POTHOLE ITSELF WOULD NOT GO OVER THAT MARKER.
BUT GARY, YOU GOT BETTER INFORMATION.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THE POINT I WAS GETTING ON THIS. YOU CAN ONLY SPEND $50,000 PER CONTRACT OR CORRECT ME.
CORRECT. GRANT. SO IF WE SPENT OVER $50,000 WITH ONE CONTRACTOR, THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE AN INNER LOCAL WITH OR CONTRACT WITH, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BID IT OUT.
THAT'S WHERE YOU START. THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING OUT WITH THAT WE'RE GETTING THIS LITTLE CRAZY ZONE HERE BETWEEN LIKE 50,000 AND 100,000 WHERE IT'S A REAL SMALL PROJECTS.
BUT YOU STOPPED TO BID IT OUT.
IT'S JUST WEIRD ZONE TO BE IN.
ACTUALLY, GARY AND I WERE LOOKING AT LAST WEEK AT SOME OTHER PROJECTS.
WE WERE LOOKING AT GRAND PRAIRIE, FORT WORTH, AND RICHARDSON TO SEE WHAT THEY'D BID OUT RECENTLY ON SOME OF THEIR ROAD PROJECTS TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING WE CAN PIGGYBACK ON AND WE CAN KEEP AN EYE ON.
I KNOW THEY HAD SOME BIDS CLOSING SOON ON SOME OF THEIR ROAD STUFF SO WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE TWO AND SEE IF WE CAN PIGGYBACK OFF THOSE.
>> BUT I THINK WE'RE ALSO TALKING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
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ONE IS SOME MAINTENANCE AND THE OTHER IS [OVERLAPPING].>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE PORTION BECAUSE IF WE GET OVER WITH A CONTRACTOR THAT 50,000, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BID IT OUT EVEN IF IT'S MAINTENANCE.
>> I THINK TEXAS BIDS, IT'S LIKE A 200,000 MINIMUM.
>> POINT IS THAT WE STILL HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED CHURCH OR DONIHOO.
IF WE DECIDE WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH CHURCH AND DONIHOO THEN, THESE TWO PATCHES CAN CERTAINLY BE PART OF THAT, CORRECT?
>> THAT'S THE POINT RIGHT NOW.
>> WHEN WE MET LAST TIME, WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE LIST OF ROADS THAT ARE IN MAYBE SEVERE OR VERY POOR CONDITION AND DONIHOO WAS ONE OF THOSE ROADS.
THEN OVER THE WEEKEND I WENT DOWN DONIHOO JUST TO DRIVE IT AND LOOK AT IT MYSELF, AND I JUST MADE AN OBSERVATION THAT ON THE NORTH SIDE IS LOCATED BENEATH THE EASEMENT, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE HIGH VOLTAGE LINES.
ON THE SOUTH SIDE IT BACKS UP TO THE BACKYARDS OF HOMEOWNERS, AND THERE'S PEOPLE WHO JOG UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD, BUT THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY AS PER SE THAT ARE UTILIZING THAT ROAD.
THE QUESTION CAME TO MY MIND IS, SHOULD WE CONSIDER THAT ROAD AS BEING OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY ROAD, WHERE THERE'S NOT REALLY VERY MANY PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN IT? OR SHOULD WE LOOK AT A DIFFERENT ROAD, EVEN THOUGH THAT ONE HAS A VERY POOR OR SEVERE RATING.
>> IT IS STILL BEING UTILIZED BY THE BUILDERS TO SOME STAT, AND DO WE WANT TO PUT MONEY INTO A ROAD THAT STILL HAS THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING TORN UP BY DUMP TRUCKS AND VARIOUS AND SUNDRY BLANKS WHEN IT'S NOT UTILIZED VERY MUCH LIKE YOU SAID.
>> I GUESS MY MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE RECONSIDER THAT ONE ON OUR LIST OF RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND DECIDE IF WE THINK THERE'S MAYBE A DIFFERENT ONE THAT MIGHT BE HIGHER PRIORITY.
>> I ALSO TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE DONIHOO AND I DID NOTICE THAT THERE'S A SELF-DEVELOPMENT ON, I GUESS, THE NORTH SIDE AS YOU GO UP DONNA LANE TO GET TO DONIHOO.
I SAW TRAFFIC, ANYWAY, COMING OUT OF THAT SOUTHERN ELEMENT TURNING, RIGHT ONTO DONIHOO TO GET OVER TO MORE NORTH SIDE, SO I THINK THAT'S TAKING TRAFFIC FROM THERE.
MY OBSERVATION AT DONIHOO WAS THAT THE ROAD ACTUALLY, IT NEEDS LIKE A DRESSING OVER IT SOME TYPE.
BUT THE ROAD ITSELF WAS IN, TO ME, VERY GOOD SHAPE, JUST NEED A BASICALLY A TOP LAYER ON IT.
>> WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS GARY?
>> THAT MIGHT BE A CANDIDATE FOR CHIP SEAL WHICH I KNOW JIM DOESN'T LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT ROAD IS.
>> WHY DO YOU NOT LIKE CHIP SEAL?
>> IN MY EXPERIENCE, AND I WENT THROUGH THIS WITH PENNSYLVANIA AND THERE'RE STUFF UP THERE AND I WENT THROUGH NORTH TEXAS WHEN I WAS IN SHERMAN, AND YOU PUT IT ON AND IN SIX MONTHS WITH THE TRACKS ARE FOR THE CAR IT'S DOWN TO THE BASE THAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY.
THE OTHER THING I DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT IS I DON'T LIKE ABOUT ALL THE CHIPS THAT IT PUTS INTO THE BOTTOM OF MY CAR.
[LAUGHTER] I DON'T LIKE DRIVING IT AT ALL, I DON'T LIKE IT.
I MEAN, IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS IT, THAT'S FINE.
I WILL NOT VOTE FOR IT, I PROMISE YOU THAT.
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT CHIPS THE PAINT ON THE CAR?
>> YEAH. WHAT HAPPENS IS IS THEY ESSENTIALLY TAKE TAR AND THEN THEY TAKE CHIPS AND THEY PUT IT ON TOP, AND IT'S A VERY AGGRESSIVE LAYER OF THE CHIPS THAT ARE PUT ON THERE.
THEN THEY BRUSH IT TO GET SOME OF THAT OFF AND IT GOES OFF TO THE SHOULDER AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF AGGREGATE THAT'S ON THERE, IT'S VERY LOOSE.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A ROCK ROAD, AND WHEN YOU DRIVE OVER THAT WITH THE TIRES, AT LEAST SEVERAL OF MY CARS HAVE LOW PROFILE TIRES THEY GRAB ALL THAT STUFF AND YOU CAN JUST HEAR IT GOING UP IN THE WHEEL WELLS AND ON THE FENDERS AND ALL THESE CARS NOW ARE SWEPT LOW AND YOU CAN JUST COUNT THE NUMBER OF CHIPS HERE IN PAINTING BOTTOM OF IT.
AGAIN, IF IT LASTED FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, THAT'D BE GREAT.
BUT I MEAN, I GUARANTEE, IN SIX MONTHS, YOU CHECK IT OUT AND WHERE THE TIRE TRACKS ARE IS DOWN TO THE ORIGINAL BASE.
>> IS THERE A WAY TO PUT A HARDENER IN THEIR LIKE SIX SACK VERSUS FOR FOUR SACK OR NO?
>> THAT'S A TAR, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING HE SAID.
[LAUGHTER] BUT IT IS AN OPTION.
>> I WOULD RATHER, AS COUNCILMAN KERCHO WAS SAYING IS THAT CS PUT A SMALL ASPHALT ON TOP OF IT AND THAT WOULD TAKE THE CROWN OFF OF IT.
IT HAS A CROWN ON IT ALSO IS A PRETTY HEAVY CROWN, I MEAN, YOU WANT TO CROWN A LITTLE BIT SO THE DRAINAGE COMES OFF AND IT DOESN'T STAND.
I THINK FOR US, JUST A SMALL ASPHALT CAP ON THAT THAT WOULD DO GREAT ON THAT ROAD, AND IT WOULD BE OFF THE LIST.
I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING COUNCILMAN NOE,
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BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE WHEN YOU GET OFF THE LIST FOR NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY.>> BUT I GUESS, WHERE MAYOR PETLE WAS SUGGESTING THAT THERE'S STILL CONSTRUCTION GOING ON WITH DUMP TRUCKS GOING UP AND DOWN IT, MAYBE FOR THAT REASON WE SHOULD PROLONG THAT PARTICULAR ROAD.
>> BUT I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE UNTIL WHITESTONE IS DONE.
>> THERE'S A PHASE 4 THAT'S IN [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S GOING TO BE A LONG TIME.
>> BUT I JUST WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF WE LOOK AT THAT ROAD AND CONSIDER IT LIKE A MUCH MORE SEVERE CONDITION THAN ANY OTHER ROAD OF IT'S SIMILAR STRUCTURE AND NATURE, I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING ANY FAR WORSE OR BETTER THAN OTHERS THAT ARE IN A SIMILAR CONSTRUCTION.
>> WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT IT AS MAYBE FOG SEAL PROJECT OR SOMETHING DOWN THAT LINE?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THAT ON CHIP SEAL, CAN WE?
>> I DON'T KNOW WE'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH JOHN.
>> BECAUSE THAT'S JUST BASICALLY A DIRT ROAD, IT'S GOT TAR AND GRAVEL TOP OF IT.
>> WE COULD SEE AND JUST TO FILL IN THOSE CRACKS THAT WAY IT'S NOT AFFECTING THE BASE ANYMORE.
>> TO ADD ASPHALT TO THAT, I THINK IT BECOMES A BIGGER PROJECT TO STABILIZE THAT BASE TO THE POINT THAT'S HOW IT WOULD BE GOOD.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
>> IF WE LOOK BACK AT OUR DRAFT INITIAL PROPOSAL THAT WE LEFT THE LAST MEETING WITH.
LUKE HAS THIS PROPOSAL UP HERE.
WE PUT THE IDEA OUT THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER DOING DUBLIN ROAD SOUTH S CURVE WITH 200K, AND THEN 200K TOWARDS PATCHING NORTH AND SOUTH SECTIONS ON DUBLIN ROAD.
JUST RE-SUMMARIZING WHAT WE WERE LEFT WITH LAST TIME, 200K FOR THE S CURVE, 200K FOR PATCHING ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, 200K TOWARDS SOME WORK ON LEWIS LANE, PARTICULARLY ZONE 3, I BELIEVE WAS OUR FIRST PRIORITY THERE.
THEN SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS WE IDENTIFIED HERE AS CHURCH LANE, GRAY LANE AND DONIHOO THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.
SINCE THEN, WE'VE HAD BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, NOW I KNOW BUDGET IS STILL BEING DISCUSSED IT'S NOT FINAL, BUT A DISCUSSION WAS TO TRY TO PUT MORE MONEY TOWARDS STREET PROJECTS, AND I THINK IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET PROPOSAL WAS $2.4 MILLION OR THEREABOUTS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE IS THAT WE CONSIDER DOING THE S-CURVE AND DOING THE SECTION AT DUBLIN THAT WE HAD THE QUOTE FOR FROM THE DEVELOPER, SO THAT WAS I THINK IT'S ABOUT 1.4 TOTAL TO DO SOUTH DUBLIN ROAD.
IF WE LOOKED AT POTENTIALLY A PROPOSAL TO CONSIDER TO ALLOCATE A 1.4 TOWARDS DOING SOUTH DUBLIN ROAD REPAIRS, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, DO THE S-CURVE WHICH IS GOING TO BE LESS THAN 400 BECAUSE IT'S SHORTER AND NARROWER, SO 300, I'M NOT SURE.
THAT WOULD BE ABOUT MAYBE 1.7, DOES THAT SOUND LIKE ABOUT A GOOD APPROXIMATION WITHOUT BETTER INFORMATION?
>> THE REASON WHY I'M SUGGESTING TO NOT PUT MONEY TOWARD PATCHING IS BECAUSE THE TYPES OF DAMAGE THAT WE HAVE TO DUBLIN ROAD IS SUCH THAT WE REALLY NEED TO NOT DO ANY TYPE OF OVERLAY.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE A REMIX AND OR REPAIR SOME OF THE BASE BENEATH, SO I THINK PATCHING WOULDN'T BE A WISE USE OF OUR MONEY, I DON T THINK.
>> THE ONLY THING THAT I WAS MAYBE SUGGESTING BASED ON WHAT MR. MACHADO WAS SAYING WAS THAT WHEN THEY DO THE WATERLINE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO IN AND DO SOMETHING ANYWAY TO AT LEAST PUT IT IN SOME STATES, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE WHOLE DEAL THAT WHEN YOU WERE DOING THE WATERLINE THAT YOU WOULD GET SOMETHING ALONG WITH IT.
BECAUSE THE OTHER THING WE JUST NEED TO DISCUSS AS A GROUP IS THAT THIS MONEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE SPENT UNTIL PROBABLY NEXT YEAR.
I MEAN, NOT THAT IT'S A PROBLEM ROLLING IT OVER, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT FOR THAT PROJECT, BUT WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING THIS YEAR.
IT COULD BE AS LATE AS NEXT MARCH, NOT THIS COMING MARCH, BUT THE MARCH FOLLOWING.
>> THAT'S GREAT. ANOTHER PIECE OF THIS EQUATION IS THAT THE, I FORGET WHAT THE MONEY IS CALLED, THE $1.3 MILLION?
>> AMERICAN RECOVERY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT HAS TO BE SPENT WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME OR WE LOSE IT.
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THAT CAN GO TOWARDS THE WATERLINES SO THAT'S BASICALLY LIKE FREE MONEY TOWARDS WATERLINE.>> DOES IT HAVE TO BE SPENT OR ALLOCATED AND COMMITTED?
>> IT HAS TO BE ALLOCATED TO A PROJECT BY 2024, AND HAS TO BE SPENT BY 2026.
>> WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT EASILY.
>> [BACKGROUND] AS LONG AS AS LONG AS WE HAVE IT ALLOCATED FOR A PROJECT.
WHICH IF WE ALLOCATE THE FUNDS FOR THIS PROJECT, THERE SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM AT THAT POINT MOVING FORWARD.
IDEALLY, IF WE COULD BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOCK ON THE WOOD, IF WE CAN GET A GOOD TIMELINE HERE AND GET THINGS MOVING FAIRLY QUICK, THERE'S A POTENTIAL WE COULD START SOME OF THESE PROJECTS BY THE END OF THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR, HOPEFULLY. IT JUST DEPENDS.
>> WERE THERE ANY WATERLINES ASSOCIATED WITH LEWIS LANE?
>> THOSE ARE ALL NEW. [BACKGROUND]
>> WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT STREET THERE?
>> YOU GOT TO NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM, BUT I DON T THINK IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF SITUATION THAT YOU'VE GOT WITH DUBLIN ROAD, IS THAT FAIR?
>> DO WE HAVE A COST ESTIMATE FOR THE PORTIONS OF LEWIS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT?
>> WE'LL BALLPARK AT IT ON LEWIS AT ABOUT 300,000 -400,000.
>> BASED ON THE PREVIOUS ON THE NUMBERS FOR THIS ESTIMATE WAS DONE.
>> WHAT SPECIFICALLY WOULD THAT 300,000 -400,000 COVER?
>> IT WOULD BE MIXING PLATES, THE CURRENT ROAD.
>> WIDENING IT AND PUTTING THE 32 POUNDS OF CEMENT IN THERE, TWO INCH ASPHALT BASE, GLASS PAVE AND AN INCH AND A HALF OF DRIVABLE SEALS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WHAT ABOUT ANY OF THE DRAINAGE?
>> THAT DRAINAGE ISSUE, THAT IS FINE.
>> IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT IT'S NOT CAUSING PROBLEMS.
>> IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN SHOOT OUT THIS LINE AND WE COULD PROBABLY DO.
>> CLEAN THAT UP AND MAKE IT WORK.
>> GET BOB COME OVER THERE AND CLEAN THAT UP OURSELVES ALMOST.
>> IF WE GO BACK TO THIS SUMMARY PAGE, WE WOULD HAVE AT 1.7 TOWARDS DUBLIN, WE'D HAVE 0.3 TOWARDS LEWIS, WE'D HAVE 200K TOWARDS CHURCH AND 200K TOWARDS GRAY LANE, THAT WOULD BE I BELIEVE 2.4.
>> DID WE HAVE CURTIS ON THERE?
>> WE DIDN'T INCLUDE CURTIS IN THAT.
SO YOU'RE RIGHT, WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR CURTIS.
THAT WOULD BE 2.6, THAT'LL BE TOO MUCH.
I THINK IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE DUBLIN ROAD NUMBER WOULD COME IN AT.
>> IT WAS ADJUSTED OUT OF DUBLIN.
>> I DON'T THINK THE CURTIS SECTION, AND THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.
I WOULDN'T PUT A LOT INTO CURTIS RIGHT NOW.
I JUST FIX THAT LITTLE SECTION THERE FOR THE TIME BEING.
LET'S JUST GO IN THERE AND GRIND THAT OUT, PUT AN ASPHALT BACK IN, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT RIGHT NOW WITH THE RESERVE AT SOUTHRIDGE.
WE ARE GOING IN AND THEN WITH THIS SECTION 2551, THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS IN THAT AREA.
I JUST DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THAT.
IT DIDN'T HAVE IT ALL TORN UP OVER THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, AND WE JUST GET LEFT HOLDING THE BAG.
>> JAMES THAT REPAIR LIKE OF ONE OVER THERE BY LEWIS, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO JUST MAKES IT, STABILIZE IT, AND OVERLAY IT ON CURTIS INSTEAD OF PUT THE GLASS IN IT.
>> I WOULD PROBABLY DO IT. THAT'S UP THE COUNCIL, THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION.
>> FOR A LITTLE BIT LESS MONEY.
>> ONE OTHER QUESTION. I KNOW WE THREW THAT 200K FOR CHURCH AND THAT WAS GOING TO RESTRUCTURE, THE OTHER ONE'S GOING TO BE A REMIX FOR GRAY.
I THINK WE WERE GETTING TOWARDS THE END OF THE MEETING, AND WE WERE COMING UP WITH THE PROPOSAL, I THINK THAT WORKED, SO I JUST WANTED TO READDRESS THAT REAL QUICK, MAYBE RECEIVED.
>> I JUST SUGGESTED TO BRING UP THE SPREADSHEET, SO THAT MAYBE WE MIGHT WANT TO CREATE LIKE A NEW VERSION, AND JUST TRACK OUR DISCUSSIONS TO SEE IF WE MAKE ANY CHANGES.
>> I THINK CHURCH IS GOING TO BE WAY UNDER.
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GOING TO BE A DRAINAGE PROJECT ALSO.I BELIEVE THAT IS GOING TO BE A LOT BIGGER PROJECT AND WHAT WE CAN HANDLE RIGHT NOW, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION ON THAT, JUST KNOWING WHAT'S DOWN THAT ROAD.
THEN TALKING TO JOHN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG PROJECT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DRAINAGE ISSUES THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE ROADWAY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] SUBSTANTIAL DRAINAGE WAY.
>> I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A FULL RECONSTRUCT ON THAT.
>> IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO CHURCH LANE TO MAKE IT TO WHERE THEY CAN DRIVE WITHOUT THE POTHOLES?
>> [LAUGHTER] WHAT DO WE DO TO BUY TIME?
>> YEAH. IT'S BEYOND FOG CEILING, IT'S BEYOND ANY OF THAT.
IT'S BASICALLY GOING TO BE AN OVERLAY.
>> CROSS YOUR FINGERS FOR HOW LONG DO YOU GET OUT OF IT.
>> I WOULDN'T DO THAT, UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO DO DRAINAGE WORK.
>> BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE DRAINAGE.
THE DRAINAGE IS JUST SITTING THERE, THE DITCHES AREN'T DRAINAGE PROPERLY.
>> IT'S FAR OF THE DRAINAGE TO THAT, AND IT STAYS IN THE EDGE OF THE ROAD AND CAUSES PROBLEMS.
>> LET US GET WITH MR. BIRKHOFF ON THAT AND COME UP WITH AN IDEA, IF THERE IS ANYTHING WE CAN DO AS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION, THAT COULD LAST MAYBE A COUPLE OF YEARS FOR CHURCH UNTIL WE CAN REBUILD SOME FUNDS UP TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA ON THAT, BECAUSE I JUST KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY COSTLY TO GET THAT ROAD DONE, WITH THAT DRAINAGE WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE IN THERE.
>> IS TXDOT ABLE TO HELP US ANY ON CHURCH SINCE SOME OF THE DRAINAGE IS TXDOT, BECAUSE IT'S THE PARK OF ROAD TO THE CHURCH?
>> I'M AFRAID THEY'LL CLAIM THAT THAT'S NOT THEIR PROBLEM.
NORTH OF WHERE THEY PUT THAT DRAINAGE IN, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING NORTH TO THERE.
THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IS ON A NORTH PIECE.
WE COULD ASK, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO ENTERTAIN ANY OF THAT.
>> I'M PRETTY SURE IT SAYS THE FARM FIELD.
>> THAT BRINGS A LOT OF WATER THAT DIRECTION.
WE NEED TO STUDY THE FIELD TO SEE HOW MUCH WATER COMES THAT WAY, AND ACCOUNT FOR IT IN THE DRAINAGE.
>> BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT THERE ALL THE TIME REMOVING CORN HUSK, WE GET- [OVERLAPPING]
>> HALF INCH OF RAIN, THERE'S CORN HUSK CLOGGING UP THE WHOLE DRAINAGE OUT THERE.
>> THAT'S GET A HUGE WATERSHED.
>> WHEN THEY HARVEST CORN OUT THERE, IT REALLY MESSES UP THE DRAINAGE.
>> I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN, BECAUSE I'M HEARING WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME OF THIS NOW, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE MORE MONEY.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT FORGETTING, THAT THE GOAL HERE IS FOR US TO HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THAT ADDRESSES ALL OF OUR STREETS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET THERE.
I DO AGREE, WE NEED TO START MAKING A PATH FORWARD.
ALTHOUGH I'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL COMMENTS SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T DO A THING [LAUGHTER] UNTIL WE HAVE THE FULL PLAN.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S RIGHT TO START ADDRESSING THINGS, AND I THINK THESE ARE A GOOD STARTING POINT.
BUT WE HAVE TO FIGURE HOW TO GET THAT PLAN.
>> I DON'T THINK THOSE ITEMS ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
I THINK WE CAN DO SOME THINGS WHILE WE ARE IN THE PLANNING FOR THE REST OF THING.
WE MAY NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION FROM MR. BIRKHOFF ON COST OR WHATEVER.
BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT TO START MOVING FORWARD.
OUR RESIDENTS DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER GOING TO DO ANYTHING, AND I KNOW I HEAR ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.
>> SURE. LET'S START MAKING A PROPOSAL THIS TIME, BUT IT DOES HAVE YEARS OUT.
RIGHT NOW WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING HEAVILY, WHAT DO WE DO THIS YEAR FOR '23-'24.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, MAYBE TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT HOW WE WANT TO PUT DOWN ANOTHER VERSION OF A PROPOSAL FOR ALLOCATION FOR '23-'24.
THEN IF YOU MOVE TO THE RIGHT THERE'S '25,'26,'27.
IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO MAKE A CUT AT EACH ONE OF THESE ROWS, WHEN DO WE THINK IS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO IT? PUT A NUMBER DOWN IN TERMS OF A BALLPARK NUMBER, AND IT MIGHT BE RADICALLY WRONG.
WE MIGHT NOT HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, BUT MAYBE WE COULD JUST GO AHEAD AND JUST START PUTTING DOWN SOME.
>> YEAH, PUT SOME NUMBERS DOWN AND THEN GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN,
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AND COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDED CHANGES.>> THE COUNCIL MEMBER LAUNCHES POINT THAT'S WHEN I ASKED BIRKHOFF IF I OWN THE DALLAS COWBOYS.
HERE MY GM BUILD ME A TEAM, COULD ASKING ME HOW WIDE THE STREETS ARE, WHAT COLOR I WANT THEM.
COME BACK WITH YOUR ENGINEERING KNOWLEDGE THAT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, AND TELL US THIS IS THE BEST PLAN.
YOU GOT 47 MILES OF ROADS TO DO.
IT'S GOING TO COST 103 MILLION, AND LET'S MAKE IT IN YOUR PLAN.
I THINK IT'S BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD FOR TOO LONG. YOUR THOUGHTS?
>> I TEND TO AGREE THAT WE NEED TO UTILIZE THE EXPERTISE OF AN ENGINEER TO DEVELOP THE INITIAL PLAN, THIS IS WHAT MAKES SENSE.
THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AND RUN IT THROUGH THESE YEARS.
WE CAN KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT WE'RE NOT EXPERTS AND IT'S UTILIZING A LOT OF OUR RESOURCES THAT I THINK WOULD BE BETTER OFF.
WE'D GET MORE A PROFESSIONAL OPINION, AND HOPEFULLY A BETTER PRODUCT BY UTILIZING THE EXPERTS.
>> I THINK WE DO ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF DATA PROVIDED TO US THOUGH IN THE PREVIOUS SPREADSHEET.
I THINK WE HAVE A ROAD STUDY WHERE THEY WENT OUT, AND THEY EVALUATE IT ON THE PCI RATINGS ON THE ROAD.
THEY CAME BACK WITH ESTIMATES OF WHAT IT WAS GOING TO COST, TO DO THOSE WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF ROAD PAVEMENT TYPE OF SURFACES, SO WE HAVE THAT DATA.
I GUESS WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO FIND WHAT DATA DO WE NEED NEXT.
>> I BELIEVE IN THAT ROAD STUDY, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST PAVEMENT?
>> HE DIDN'T GIVE A RECOMMENDATION ON MOVING FORWARD.
>> I THINK WE HAVE THE INFORMATION.
LET'S PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND MOVING FORWARD FROM THERE.
>> I THINK I CAPTURED THAT THERE IN COLUMN J, JUST PUT FROM THE OTHER TABLE THAT WAS PROVIDED.
THE RECOMMENDATION WAS, ON THE FIRST COLUMN A, WAS WHAT PHASE TO DO IT.
COLUMN J WAS, WHAT TO DO IN TERMS OF THE SURFACE, AND THE COST ESTIMATES WERE ON THE OTHER PAGE.
I DIDN'T BRING THEM OVER BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO PUT THEM.
WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT YEAR TO DO THEM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
>> I THINK WE'RE GETTING A GOOD PHASED APPROACH RIGHT NOW.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS, WHAT COUNCIL'S DIRECTING STAFF TO LOOK AT.
I THINK WE ARE LOOKING AT A VERY GOOD PHASED APPROACH RIGHT NOW.
JUST WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED SO FAR, BECAUSE WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS, WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR A LITTLE BIT.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT TWO YEARS ALREADY BUILT UP AND WE'RE ALREADY START WORKING AND LOOKING AT 3, 4, AND 5 NOW.
I KNOW IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE DOING MUCH, BUT WE ARE REALLY KNOCKING OFF A LITTLE BIT HERE, I THINK WE ARE.
>> THE FACT WE GOT OUT OF THE STARTING GATE, I THINK IS IMPORTANT, BUT I AGREE WITH, COUNCILMEMBERS IN FACT AND LYNCH THAT WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THAT OUT FURTHER BECAUSE NOW LET'S ASSUME, I THINK WITH ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES WITH MASSIVE, I'LL CALL IT PRETTY MASSIVE PROJECT THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO SCOPE FOR DUBLIN THEN.
NOW IT'S OFF THE TABLE NOW WE NEEDED TO LOOK TO THE NEXT ONE AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE.
WITH WHAT WE DID ON LEWIS AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ON CURTIS.
WILL THAT BE ENOUGH TO KEEP IT OUT A COUPLE OF MORE YEARS, SO THEN IT DOESN'T GO BACK [LAUGHTER] ON THE ROTATION IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
>> IF THIS IS ALL WE'RE DOING, IF THIS IS, LET'S SAY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
THESE OTHER ROADS ARE JUST CONTINUING TO GET BAD AND THE CURRENT GOOD ROADS ARE GOING TO START GETTING BAD.
WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A MORE POWERFUL ACTION.
OUR INTERNAL RESOURCES I DON'T THINK ARE SUFFICIENT TO CREATE ALL OF THAT, OF A PLAN.
>> WE NEED A COMPLETE 360 PLAN OF THIS IS $87 MILLION.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE 10 YEARS YOU BUDGETED.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY MORE MEETINGS LIKE THIS.
>> GARY, QUESTION. WITH THAT, ONCE IN SALES TAX, HOW MUCH ARE WE PREDICTING THE BUDGET? I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, 380?
>> WE CAN START USING SOME OF THAT MONEY ALSO, FOR SOME PANELS.
THERE WERE SOME PANELS AND LOSS FOR AGE.
WE COULD USE THAT MONEY FOR THAT,
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SO WE CAN START KNOCKING OFF SOME OF THIS ROAD MAINTENANCE STUFF TOO WITH THAT MONEY TOO.>> [OVERLAPPING] I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
>> WE HAVE HOW MANY LINE ITEMS TO THOSE? [BACKGROUND] THERE'S BETWEEN 25 LINE ITEMS THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO PUT IN IN A BUDGET ALLOCATION.
>> AGAIN, I LIKE THAT WE'RE GETTING OUT OF THE STARTING BLOCK, BUT TO COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH'S POINT AND OTHERS WHO'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE CAN PUT THOSE OUT.
THE SALES TAX IS A SHOT IN THE ARM FOR A MAINTENANCE THING TO JUST KEEP THINGS GOING.
BUT AS FAR AS A TRUE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE MUCH BIGGER NUMBERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE WE NEED TO GO OUT AND REALLY UNDERSTAND WHATEVER IT IS.
IF IT'S 50 OR $70 MILLION OR WHAT HAVE YOU AND THEN HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE LAID OUT, BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOING TO BE MUCH DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS THAN JUST A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND HERE, 300,000 THERE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE GETTING AT AND [OVERLAPPING]
>> ONE OF OUR MEETINGS MAY NEED TO BE ON FUNDING.
WHAT ARE ALL THE AVAILABLE FUNDS OR HOW MANY DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES ARE THERE? WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? WHAT'S AGREEABLE, WHAT'S NOT AGREEABLE?
>> EVEN BEFORE THAT SCOPING, WHAT IT IS? WHAT IS THE TARGET NUMBER THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO ALL THOSE? IT'S OVER 10 YEAR PERIOD AND IT'S $80 MILLION.
WELL, THAT'S WAY MORE THAN [LAUGHTER] WE EVER ARE GOING TO HAVE IN OUR BUDGET TO DO THAT, AND ROADS DO GET VERY EXPENSIVE AND EVERY CITY WILL TELL YOU ABOUT THAT, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE FUNDING OPTIONS AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DO.
MAYBE WE COME BACK AND WE SAY, WELL, THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO DO $70 OR $80 MILLION FOR OUR ROADS, BUT WE MIGHT DO EIGHT MILLION OR FIVE MILLION, AND THEN WE LAY THAT IN THERE.
>> I THINK WE HAVE INFORMATION HERE THAT WE COULD JUST START PUTTING DOWN NUMBERS.
I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD AND THEN COME BACK AND LOOK AT THEM AND THEN DECIDE, DO WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO FUND THEM? IF NOT, WHERE DO WE GET THE FUNDING?
>> LET'S GIVE IT A SHOT. LET'S START. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S FINE. I'M OKAY FOR HAVING SOMETHING OUT THERE.
LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR THE NUMBERS, BUT WE CAN MAYBE FIGURE IT OUT.
>> MAYBE IF WE START AT THE TOP WITH DUBLIN, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT TODAY.
MAYBE WE PUT DOWN 1.4 MILLION FOR 23-24, AND THEN WE SAID LEWIS LANE, WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME WORK THERE, 300,000, OR YOU THINK FOUR?
>> WE COULD DO THAT IN THREE [INAUDIBLE].
>> THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND WITH INFLATION.
>> IT SHOULD BE LESS THAN THAT, BUT WITH INFLATION.
>> THEN WE'RE GOING TO PATCH CURTIS BECAUSE IT'S IN OUR STRONG NEEDS.
SO PATCHING CURTIS, WHAT DO YOU SAY FOR PATCHING CURTIS AND WITH THE OVERLAY?
>> IS IT STILL IN CONSTRUCTION?
>> JUST SAY 75? [OVERLAPPING] JUST A PATCH.
[BACKGROUND] THEN CHURCH, TO ME, SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DELAY CHURCH BECAUSE IT'S A BIGGER PROJECT THAN WE CAN TAKE ON THIS YEAR.
>> THERE'LL BE A LOT OF DRAINAGE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE.
I'D RATHER WE COME UP WITH SOME IDEA FOR A PATCH.
>> FOR NOW WE'LL TALK ABOUT DELAYING, AND IF WE COME BACK WITH AN IDEA FOR A PATCH THEN WE'LL PULL IT BACK IN, SO WHERE ARE WE AT?
>> NOT DELAYING, FUTURE LINE ITEM?
>> CORRECT. A FUTURE LINE ITEM.
>> WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING? IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A BIG PROJECT, ARE YOU SAYING THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE WHAT, A MILLION DOLLARS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR WHAT?
>> WE HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE AND FIGURE THAT OUT, BRING IT BACK, TALK ABOUT IT AND THAT CAN BE PART OF FUTURE [OVERLAPPING]
>> COULD WE PUT A WILD GUESS IN THERE THAT IT SAY IT'S GOING TO BE $700,000 OR SOMETHING CRAZY?
>> WOULD BE A REALLY WILD GUESS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YES. I WOULD SAY IT'D BE OVER $1 MILLION, PROBABLY.
>> BY THE TIME YOU STUDY IT AND DESIGN IT AND BUILD IT.
BUT THAT'S A GUESS. [BACKGROUND]
>> IF WE GO BACK UP TO TRY TO SCOPE DIAMOND ROAD NORTH, WHICH IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE AT LEAST THE SIMILAR TYPE OF SCOPE, 1.4 IS THAT A REASONABLE NUMBER TO PUT ON AS AN ESTIMATE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT SHOULD BE MUCH WITH THE DRAINAGE AND ALL THAT.
SHOULDN'T IT BE A LITTLE LESS OR NO?
>> THAT'S PROBABLY RIGHT. [BACKGROUND].
>> PROBABLY 1.7, 1.8, JUST TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE.
>> WHAT YEARS DO YOU LOOK AT THAT, 25-26?
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>> BETTER ACCOUNT FOR INFLATION.
>> CHURCH LANE WE SAID IS GOING TO BE A BIGGER PROJECT THAN WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT.
JUST TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE, WHAT YEAR DO YOU THINK WE COULD LOOK AT CHURCH LANE GIVEN THIS OTHER PROJECTS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.
'27, '28, IS THAT TOO FAR? THAT'S TOO FAR, SO BRING IT BACK IN.
>> WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, THEN FIGURE IT OUT.
WE COULD GET THE ESTIMATE OF WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST.
>> SEE WHERE YOU GUYS MIGHT WANT TO PUT IT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN IDEA ABOUT-
>> THAT'S FINE FOR NOW. I MEAN, WE'LL REDISCUSS IT BUT THAT'S FINE.
JUST PUT IT SOMEWHERE SO IT'S IN THE FOLDER.
>> BUT THEN A NUMBER THAT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE SCOPED.
WE'LL LOOK AT TRYING TO DO IT FOR '25, '26.
GRAY LANE TO DO THE RE-MIX ON THAT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE HAD THAT AT
GRAY LANE, IS THE 200K STILL A GOOD NUMBER, KEEPING IT IN '23 IS STILL GOOD?
>> IF IT WAS A REMIX, THAT'S GOING TO BE AN OVERLAY REMIX OR WHAT?
>> WE'LL CHANGE THAT TO A REMIX INSERT.
>> IT HEADED ON THERE, GRAY LANE.
THANKS. IS THAT A GOOD NUMBER TO DO A REMIX ON THAT STREET WHICH IS 2,211 LINEAR FEET? IT'S ABOUT ONE.
>> JUST PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT, ABOUT THREE.
>> [BACKGROUND] BUT THE LEWIS 3200 LINEAR FEET.
>> THAT'S NOT THAT SECTION THOUGH OF LEWIS LANE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S A MUCH SMALLER SECTION ON LEWIS LANE.
IT'S NOT 3,200 SQUARE LINEAR FEET THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> FROM THE LEFT STATION, NORTH.
>> THIS SECTION HERE IS 2,020,000 SQUARE LINEAR FEET.
>>TWO MILLION ZERO OR TWO MILLION TWO?
>> GARY, WHAT'S THE NEXT HIGHEST PRIORITY IN YOUR EYES?
>> MAYBE CONSIDER SEAL COATING SOME OF THE ROADS LIKE SPRING HILL AND SOME OF THE ROADS THAT AREN'T IN BAD CONDITION YET TO PRESERVE THEM FOR A LONGER TIME SO THAT THEY DON'T GET TO THE POINT WHERE NOW WE HAVE TO SPEND 2 MILLION TO FIX THEM.
WE CAN JUST TRY TO MAINTAIN IT WITH THE SEAL COAT ON SOME.
>> THERE'S A PATCH ON SPRING HILL THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN THAT COUNCILMAN REED ISN'T IDENTIFIED, THEN PROBABLY SEAL COAT THAT TO PROLONG LIFE.
>> WITH THAT '25,'26 OR WHAT TIMING DO YOU THINK, GARY?
>> ON THOSE SHOULD WE TRY TO START EARLIER, LIKE '24, '25? IT SEEMS LIKE '23, '24 IS PRETTY BOOKED.
>> ON SPRING HILL AND ALLEN HEIGHTS, DO WE HAVE ANY INFORMATION FROM COLLIN COUNTY OR ALLEN ON THEIR PLANS? BECAUSE THAT STREET IS ON THE THIRD FLOOR PLAN, AND AT SOME POINT.
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>> WE'RE GOING TO BE FORCED TO DO IT.
>> YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO BE FORCED TO MAKE IT A FOUR-LANE DIVIDED.
WE'VE PUT THAT OFF AND PUT THAT OFF AND TRY TO AVOID IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN, BUT I HATE TO SEE US PUT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY IN AND THEN THE NEXT DAY, BOOM, THERE WE ARE, SO DO WE KNOW?
>> YEAH. ALTHOUGH THIS ONE I THINK, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE'RE NOT TALKING A HUGE EXPENSE ON THIS.
THIS IS A PROTECTIVE EXPENSE, SO A LITTLE BIT OF REPAIR IN THE NORTH SIDE, BUT THE REST OF IT WILL BE SEAL COAT WHICH IS JUST PROTECTING IT.
>> YOU'RE JUST TALKING REPAIR TO ONE.
>> WE REALIZED THAT FOUR-LANE, THAT'S A BIG DEAL AND ALL THE MAILBOXES NEED TO BE MOVED. THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
>>THE SEAL COAT IS REALLY INEXPENSIVE.
IT'S ONLY 23 CENTS A SQUARE FOOT, SO YOU COULD PROBABLY SEAL COAT SPRING HILL IN THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS NOT.
>> MAYBE ANOTHER 10-15K FOR WHAT YOU HAD TO FIX IN THE NORTH SIDE OR WHATEVER.
>> IT SHOULD BE PRETTY MINIMAL JUST TO DO MAINTENANCE VERSUS HAVING IT DETERIORATE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO REPAIR IT.
>> GARY, ON SEAL COATING, IS IT TEMPERATURE SENSITIVE? AS FAR AS PUTTING IT DOWN?
>> IT'S LIKE A FOUR MONTH WINDOW OR A SIX MONTH WINDOW IN THE SUMMER, RIGHT?
>> WE'VE GOT JOHN LOOKING AT SOME DIFFERENT TYPES OUT THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT ANYTHING IF WE DO REMIX IT, SO THAT IT'S NOT AFFECTING ANY CHEMICAL COMPOSITIONS OR ANYTHING LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD.
WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT ADOPTION TO MAKE SURE THAT [OVERLAPPING] ANYTHING IN THE LONG RUN.
I'VE SEEN THAT DONE AND IT'S EFFECTIVE.
>> SEVERAL DIFFERENT ONES OF THOSE THAT HAVE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES AND STUFF.
>> ARE THERE OTHER ROADS YOU WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE SEAL COAT?
>> OH, JUST NEED TO GO LOOK AT ALL THE ASPHALT ROADS WE'VE GOT AND SEE WHICH ONES MIGHT BE CANDIDATES FOR IT AS OPPOSED TO WAITING UNTIL THEY DETERIORATE TO THE POINT IT WOULD NEED REPAIR.
>> HERE'S ONE THAT I KNOW IS A LITTLE BIT OF A RED HERRING, BUT WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO WITH SYCAMORE?
>> CRACKS HILL AND THEN MAYBE FOX HILL, THAT'S CANDIDATE FOR IT THERE TOO.
>> WE COULD PUT THAT IN THE SAME YEAR-
>> [OVERLAPPING] AT THE SAME TIME WE DO SPRING HILL.
>> THERE'S A LITTLE EDGE RETENTION ISSUES ON THAT ROAD, THE WAY IT'S CROWNED.
>> IT WOULD CREATE, THERE'S JUST A TEENY BIT
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK, GARY, ABOUT 100,000 FOR THAT?
>> I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE COST IS ON THAT.
BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT ONES IN DIFFERENT METHODS IF THEY DO IT, I THINK THE COST VARIES, SO I'M NOT SURE.
>> HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE YOU TO WRAP YOUR ARMS AROUND IT AND GET COMFORTABLE WITH A NUMBER?
>> THAT SHOULDN'T TAKE TOO LONG, ONCE WE GET JUST A LINEAR FOOT COST ON THAT.
IT SHOULD BE PRETTY SIMPLE TO GET FROM YOU GUYS.
WE'D JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHICH CONTRACTORS AND WHAT METHOD.
>> WHOEVER OF THEM FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH CHEMICAL COMPOSITION THEY'RE USING.
>> IT MIGHT BE 150 WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, BECAUSE IT WOULD PROBABLY BE 100K TO DO THIS.
>> IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN USE STREET MAINTENANCE FUND TOO.
WE'RE NOT DIFFERENT TO THE CIP FUNDS FOR THAT, WE'RE JUST DIPPING INTO YOUR STREET MAINTENANCE.
THEN USING YOUR CIP FUNDS FOR YOUR RECONSTRUCTS AND YOUR REMIXES.
>> CRACKS HILL AND FOX HILL UNDER MAINTENANCE.
>> IF WE WANT TO TRY TO KEEP LOOKING AT THE ROAD, SO LET'S GO TO MOSREG.
WE HAVE SOME CONCRETE PATCHES AND REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE DONE THERE THAT WE WANTED TO TRY TO BUDGET.
DO WE TRY TO DO THAT IN '23-'24, BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME.
>> EXTRA BUDGET THERE. LET'S TRY TO PUT THAT IN '23-'24.
>> I CAN PERSONALLY TESTIFY TO CHUNKS OUT OF THE ROAD WHERE IF TWO CARS ARE COMING, I'VE GOT A BREAK LET HIM COME THROUGH OR I'M PUTTING MY WHEEL IN A FOUR FOOT HOLE.
>> THE ENTRANCE THERE'S A REALLY BAD.
>> THE ENTRANCE IS BAD AND IT'S JUST CHUNKS, IT WAS PLOTTED 1980.
THERE'S JUST CHUNKS OF CONCRETE THAT HAVE FALLEN OFF IN PEOPLE'S YARDS.
I ACTUALLY KNOW QUITE A FEW OF THOSE ROADS THAT HAD THAT HAPPEN TO.
>> WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR HORSES OF [LAUGHTER].
>> I GOT A PONY INSTEAD OF RIDING MY HORSE.
>> [LAUGHTER] WE'VE GOT 5 MINUTES LEFT, AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO.
>> THAT'S HOW MUCH THE LAST CONCRETE PATCH WAS THAT WE HAD DONE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WHILE YOU'RE DOING THE MATH IN YOUR HEAD.
WE NEED TO SCHEDULE ANOTHER MEETING,
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BECAUSE I WANT US TO KEEP GOING SO WE DON'T LOSE ANYTHING IN THE PROCESS.>> MADAM MAYOR, I GOT A QUICK QUESTION.
MULTI PRONGED APPROACH, I LOVE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, BUT I GO BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH, WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE TOLD ME WHEN I WAS RUNNING, WE NEED TO HAVE A COMPLETE 360 PLAN.
SO GARY, DO WE HAVE FROM BIRKHOFF COST? DO WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO IF WE ADD ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD TO MAKE THIS STREETS BEAUTIFUL?
>> NO, WE DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL THAT TODAY, WE CAN GET A NUMBER FOR THAT.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO STRAIGHT THIS OUT OVER 10 YEARS AND NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE GOOD IN 10 YEARS.
>> I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE NEED A BASELINE OF TODAY, IT'S 87 MILLION.
BOOM, WE KNOW IT'S 4% INFLATION.
WE CAN PLAY WITH THAT, BUT WE'LL NEED THE BIG PICTURE NUMBER TO SEE HOW MANAGEABLE THIS CRISIS IS, QUITE FRANKLY.
>> I THINK YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO USE TODAY'S NUMBER AND YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO PUT AN INFLATIONARY ON IT AND ROLL THAT OUT, THAT'S ALL YOU DO.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU KNOW FOR SURE, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO WHEN YOU BUDGET.
>> WELL, AND TO AN EXTENT, THAT IS WHAT WE'VE DONE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH WITH BIRKHOFF'S ESTIMATES AND LOOKING AT EACH INDIVIDUAL ROAD AS TO HOW WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE.
>> WE CAN RUN SOME NUMBERS AND WE COULD, IN THEIR OLD NOW.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE SOME NUMBERS WE COULD USE TO GET AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD BE, AND DO SOME MATH ON IT.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF TODD GOT A COPY OF THAT.
DID YOU GET A COPY OF THE STREET STUDY?
>> BECAUSE THE OTHER THING IS, I HOPE YOU'VE READ THE CIP PLAN FROM SUNNYVALE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SUCH A GOOD EXAMPLE.
NEXT MEETING, WHAT IS EVERYBODY'S, I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO WORK FOR YOU, JIM, ON THE 29TH, WHICH IS NEXT TUESDAY.
I THINK YOU'RE IN FINLAND OR SOME PLACE.
[LAUGHTER] YOUR UP, BUT THEY DO.
BECAUSE AFTER THAT WE WOULD GO TO THE 12TH AND AMANDA, I THINK YOU'RE OUT OF THE COUNTRY ON THE 12TH.
[LAUGHTER] NOW, WE COULD MOVE OFF A TUESDAY IF THAT HELPS ANYBODY.
IS THERE ANY TIMEFRAME LUKE THAT YOU NEED TO GET US SOME MORE OF THE INFORMATION.
>> IT'S JUST SITTING DOWN AND TRYING TO WORK WITH THESE CONTRACTORS.
SITTING DOWN RIGHT NOW, WORKING WITH THESE CONTRACTORS TO GET NUMBERS AND SCHEDULING A MEETING WITH LUCAS AT THE COUNTY.
COUNCIL MEETING IS THE 5TH AND THE 19TH?
>> PATTY, WHAT'S OUR 19TH COUNCIL MEETING LOOKING LIKE, IS IT FULL?
>> IT'S NOT FULL. IT'S NOT BAD AT THE MOMENT.
>> WOULD YOU ALL HAVE AN OBJECTION TO A MEETING BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING OR I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE, I'M SORRY.
>> I'M NOT TRYING TO, I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT DATES HERE AND.
>> DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU RANDY?
>> [OVERLAPPING] WILL YOU BE BACK ON THE 19TH? TODD 19TH?
>> AMANDA, I DON'T KNOW [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE MEET [LAUGHTER] 4:00 ON THE 19TH, AND WE CAN HOPEFULLY GO OVER ALL THAT STUFF AND GET AN IDEA AND IT GIVES US SOME TIME.
>> IF AMANDA, IF YOU WOULD UPDATE YOUR SPREADSHEET AND SEND IT TO EVERYBODY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN SEE IT ACROSS LIKE THAT.
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>> THAT'S WHAT I'M [LAUGHTER] VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD.
>> I BELIEVE, IT'S THE 19-20 [INAUDIBLE]
>> 4:00-6:00, I GUESS BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE AN EXACT.
>> 4:00-6:00. [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND] IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY BECAUSE IT'S 4:00 O'CLOCK.
THEN WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 4:00 O'CLOCK ON AUGUST 22ND.
[NOISE] [OVERLAPPING]
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.