[CALL TO ORDER]
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>> I HEREBY CALL THE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF PARKER, TEXAS TO ORDER.
IT IS AUGUST 15TH, 2023 AT 6:00 PM.
AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK MR. OLSON.
>> FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT FEELS WE NEED TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION? NOT HEARING THAT, WE WILL GO RIGHT TO THE PLEDGES.
I WILL ASK RANDY, OUR NEWEST MEMBER, TO LEAD US IN THE AMERICAN PLEDGE, AND TODD, HOW ABOUT YOU LEADING US IN THE TEXAS PLEDGE?
>> THANK YOU. SWAGIT AND PATTI HAVE ASKED ME TO REMIND EVERYBODY.
WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING, PLEASE TURN ON YOUR MIC AND LEAN INTO IT OR PULL IT TO YOU BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS NOT GETTING PICKED UP ON SWAGIT.
SECONDLY, I NEED TO INTRODUCE EVERYBODY FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC.
WE HAVE COUNCILMEMBER RANDY KERCHO AT THIS END. NEXT TO RANDY IS COUNCILMEMBER TERRY LYNCH. NEXT TO MS. LYNCH IS MAYOR PRO-TEM JIM REED.
WE HAVE CITY ATTORNEY AMY STANPHILL, MAYOR LEE PETTLE. THIS IS CITY ADMINISTRATOR LUKE OLSON. NEXT TO LUKE IS COUNCILMEMBER AMANDA NOE, AND WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE COUNCILMEMBER TODD FECHT WITH US TONIGHT.
THANK YOU. WE WILL TRY TO REMEMBER TO INTRODUCE ANYBODY THAT WE SPEAK TO IN THE AUDIENCE OR AT THE FIRST TABLE.
ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NOT HEARING ANY, WE WILL JUST MOVE RIGHT ALONG.
[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]
I HAVE SOME ITEMS OF INTEREST.THE FIRST IS STARTING ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, WE WILL AGAIN PARTICIPATE IN THE PEANUT BUTTER DRIVE THAT BENEFITS THE NORTH TEXAS FOOD BANK.
EVERY CITY IN COLLIN COUNTY GENERALLY PARTICIPATES AND TRIES TO OUTDO THE OTHER IN THE AMOUNT OF PEANUT BUTTER JELLY, OR LIKE THAT THAT WE CAN RAISE.
THERE WILL BE A BOX IN THE FOYER HERE.
GENERALLY, THE POLICE PUT A BOX IN THE POLICE STATION AND WE HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL PARTICIPATE.
SECONDLY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE.
THEY HAVE A MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 13TH, AT 5:00 PM.
HOWEVER, PARKERFEST COMMITTEE HAS A MEETING, WHEN'S THIS COMING? [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S MONDAY AT 4:30 AT CHRISTINA'S ON 544.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DATE IS MONDAY, I'M SORRY.
>> I JUST GOT BACK AND IT HAS BEEN POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.
>> IT IS ON THE WEBSITE. ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME AND HELP WITH THE ARRANGEMENTS AND EVENT, PLEASE SHOW UP, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU.
PARKERFEST ITSELF WILL BE ON OCTOBER 29TH, FROM 3:00 TO 6:00.
THEN WE HAVE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.
I HOPE YOU WILL GET YOUR AREA TO PARTICIPATE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE CITY PEOPLE, FIRETRUCKS, POLICE DEPARTMENT TO COME OUT TO YOUR AREA, PLEASE DOWNLOAD ONE OF THESE SHEETS OF PAPER OR SEND AN EMAIL TO PATTI AND SHE'LL SEND YOU ONE, OR TO MICHELLE OVER AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SIGN UP SO WE KNOW WHERE TO HAVE CITY OFFICIALS AND OUR POLICE AND FIRE PEOPLE TO COME OUT.
BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE A REALLY NICE TIME,
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IT'S A VERY NICE EVENT.WE HAVE VOTING ON NOVEMBER 7TH.
WE WILL BE A VOTING LOCATION HERE AT PARKER.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DATES BUT JUST KNOW THAT.
NEXT, WE WILL GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[CONSENT AGENDA ]
ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE THREE ITEMS, THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR AUGUST 1ST, 2023, APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR AUGUST 8TH, 2023, AND CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-748, PROVIDING FOR THE MODIFICATION AND EXECUTION OF THE JAIL SERVICES CONTRACT AMENDMENT 3, BETWEEN THE CITY OF PARKER IN COLLIN COUNTY, AND THE ONLY THING THAT IS CHANGED IS THE COST OF THE INMATE PER DAY.FIRST OF ALL, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WANTS ANYTHING PULLED OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA?
>> NOT HEARING ANYTHING, I WILL THEN CALL FOR YOUR VOTE OR CALL FOR MOTION.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I SECOND THE MOTION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER NOE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
ANY DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, NOW I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
ANY OPPOSE? IT PASSES FIVE, ZERO.
[4. TEMPORARY MORATORIUM EXTENSION]
THE TEMPORARY MORATORIUM EXTENSION.IN JUST A MINUTE, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE EXTENSION OF THE TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ON THE ACCEPTANCE, REVIEW, AND APPROVAL IS NECESSARY FOR THE SUBDIVISION SITE PLANNING, DEVELOPMENT, OR CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OF PARKER.
AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANY COMMENTS ON THE WATER MORATORIUM.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? WE'RE OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:08.
NOT SEEING ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO VISIT WITH US ON THAT? LAST CHANCE.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:09.
AT THIS TIME, I WILL CALL FOR CONSIDERATION AND ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 846, EXTENDING THE TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ENACTED BY NUMBERS 844, 839, 833, 824, 815, AND 8112 ON THE ACCEPTANCE, REVIEW AND APPROVE IS NECESSARY FOR THE SUBDIVISION SITE PLANNING, DEVELOPMENT, OR CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OF PARKER.
FIRST, I WILL ASK MR. BIRKHOFF TO UPDATE US ON THE WATER SITUATION.
>> GOOD EVENING. JOHN BIRKHOFF WITH BIRKHOFF HENDRICKS & CARTER OF DALLAS, TEXAS.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE MORATORIUM.
I THINK THIS WOULD BE THE FOURTH EXTENSION.
AS WE HAVE LOOKED AT DATA, WE SEE THAT WE NEED TO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH BRINGING IN NEW SUBDIVISIONS UNTIL A CONTRACT, IT GETS EXECUTED WITH THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT TO BRING SUPPLY INTO THE CENTRAL PUMP STATION.
LAST YEAR, WE WENT THROUGH A PRETTY EXTENSIVE REVIEW OF ALL THE SUMMER DEMANDS FOR EACH DAY, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WATER IS BEING USED TO SUBSTANTIATE THE MORATORIUM.
THIS YEAR, NOW THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH A GOOD PART OF THE SUMMER, WE LOOKED AT THE RECORDS FOR JUNE AND JULY TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING.
WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOK AT THE HOURLY RECORDS OF WHAT'S BEING PUMPED INTO THE SYSTEM,
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AND WE LOOKED AT HOURLY RECORDS OF MOVEMENT IN STORAGE.A SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO MEET THE MAXIMUM HOUR DEMAND WITH A COMBINATION OF YOUR PUMP STATIONS AND YOUR ELEVATED STORAGE TANK.
YOUR SUPPLY IS BASED ON YOUR DAILY DEMAND, WHAT YOU GENERALLY PUMP.
WE LOOKED AT THE RECORDS FOR JUNE AND JULY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAD AVAILABLE TO US.
WE LOOK AT THE DAY THAT WE HAD THE MOST SUPPLY FROM THE DISTRICT AND PUMP PITCH, AND JUNE 30TH TURNS OUT TO BE THE DAY OF MAXIMUM USAGE FOR 2023.
WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT THE POPULATION IS.
BACK INTO THAT, WE LOOK AT THE METER COUNT, HOW MANY METERS ARE OUT THERE, AND YOU'RE ALL ARE RESIDENTIAL METERS.
WE USE A FACTOR OF 2.79 PEOPLE PER HOUSE, AND THAT BACKS INTO A POPULATION OF ABOUT 5,882 PEOPLE.
COMPARING THAT TO LAST SUMMER, YOU HAVE ABOUT 115 MORE PEOPLE THIS YEAR THAN YOU HAD LAST YEAR.
THE MAX DAY VOLUME THAT WE CALCULATED WAS 3,917,000 GALLONS.
WE DIVIDE THAT BY THE POPULATION OF 5,882, WE GET A MAX DAY DEMAND OF 666 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY.
WHICH SURPRISINGLY IS PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR.
IT'S ACTUALLY DOWN ALMOST 30 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY.
WE SCRATCH OUR HEADS AND SAY, HOW ARE PEOPLE USING WATER DIFFERENTLY? YOU ALL HAD PUT OUT SOME PUBLIC INFORMATION ASKING FOR SOME ASSISTANCE TO BETTER MANAGE THEIR WATER.
I WOULD ALSO SUSPECT THAT THERE ARE LESS NEW YARDS BEING PUT IN THAN THERE WERE LAST YEAR.
SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
YOU ALL ARE STILL WAY HIGHER THAN MOST PLACES IN THE METROPLEX.
MOST OF THE DEMAND STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE, YOU'LL SEE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 300 AND 350 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY OUT THERE.
ONCE WE LOOK AT THE HOURLY RECORDS, AND WE KNOW THAT THE DAY OF MAXIMUM USAGE WAS JUNE 30TH, AND WE KNOW THAT VOLUME OF WATER, THEN WE LOOK FOR THE PEAK HOUR.
THE PEAK HOUR, THE SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED PIPE-WISE, SIZE, ELEVATED STORAGE, AND THE MAXIMUM HOURLY RATE, A RATE OF WATER NOT A VOLUME, OCCURRED AT 6:00 AM ON A PER CAPITA BASIS PER DAY.
IT'S 1,078 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY.
WE COMPARE THAT TO LAST YEAR, THE PEAK HOUR OCCURRED AT 10:00 PM.
>> THIS YEAR, 6:00 AM, LAST YEAR, 10:00 PM.
IN 2022, WE WERE AT 1,190 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY RATE FOR THAT INSTANTANEOUS MOMENT IN TIME WHEN EVERYBODY'S TURNS EVERYTHING ON AND THE SYSTEM HAS TO RESPOND.
THERE WAS A REDUCTION OF ABOUT 112 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY.
WE'RE STILL REALLY HIGH IN THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT IS CONSUMED HERE IN PARKER.
THE SUPPLY CONTRACTS WE GET FROM THE DISTRICT IS THREE-AND-A-HALF MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
YOU'LL USE 3.9 BILLION GALLONS A DAY.
A LITTLE BIT OF AN IMBALANCE THERE.
BILLING-WISE, THE DISTRICT LOOKS AT YOUR AVERAGE USE AND THEN THEY HAVE A MULTIPLIER OF TWO-AND-A-HALF TO THAT.
BUT THERE'S A LIMIT TO WHAT THEY CAN SQUEEZE THROUGH THEIR SYSTEM TO THE SIDE PUMP STATION.
BUT THEY WERE STILL ABLE TO MEET IT THIS YEAR.
JUST LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS, WE HAVEN'T SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED THE WAY WE USE WATER.
WE'RE EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM HOURLY DEMAND THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE DISTRICT WITH.
WE RECOMMEND THAT THE MORATORIUM BE EXTENDED UNTIL WE GET A NEW CONTRACT WITH THE DISTRICT TO BRING NEW SUPPLY INTO THE CENTRAL PUMP STATION.
I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS ANYONE MAY HAVE.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION, MADAM MAYOR, IF LATER WE ENTER A NEW CONTRACT WITH THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT AND WE HAVE A MORATORIUM AT THE TIME, CAN WE SIMPLY CALL A MEETING TO TERMINATE THE MORATORIUM?
>> WITH THAT IN MIND, OUR SUPPLY IS OUR SUPPLY BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT THE CONTRACT IS.
THE DEMAND REALLY ISN'T CHANGING, RIGHT? IF ANYTHING, IT PROBABLY, EVEN THOUGH IT WENT DOWN A LITTLE BIT, PROBABLY WOULD GO UP.
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QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE CONSIDER INSTEAD OF A 90-DAY MORATORIUM, LIKE A SIX-MONTH MORATORIUM AND BASICALLY NOT HAVE MR. BIRKHOFF GO THROUGH ALL THESE CALCULATIONS EVERY 90 DAYS?>> SINCE STATUTES WRITTEN ANTICIPATES UP TO 120-DAY, 90-DAY HAS BEEN WHAT THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING SINCE MARCH OF '22.
WE JUST ROLLED IT AND THAT'S HOW IT WAS PUBLICIZED.
IF IT'S EXTENDED AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT RUNNING UP TO WHAT, DECEMBER 2ND SO.
THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE HOLIDAYS, AND SO IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO PROBABLY COME BEFORE COUNCIL AGAIN IF WE DON'T GET A RESOLUTION.
AT THAT TIME, YOU COULD CONSIDER IT 120-DAY.
>> THE NUMBER CRUNCHING ONLY OCCURS WITH SUMMER NUMBERS.
AS WE GO INTO THE FALL, WINTER, YOUR DEMAND IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY DOWN.
PEOPLE MOVING IN, WE'RE STILL USING THE 666 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY TO PROJECT, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER.
>> THE NEXT ONE WE'LL HAVE, NO NEED REALLY NUMBER CRUNCHING FROM JOHN BECAUSE WE'LL BE WELL INTO WINTER TIME OR FALL.
>> WE MAY DO A CHECK WHEN WE GET THROUGH WITH AUGUST, WAS THERE A DAY THAT GARY WAS SEEING THAT IT'S GREATER THAN THE THREE-POINT TIME? THEN WE MAY GO BACK AND CRUNCH JUST TO SUBSTANTIATE THE 666, MAYBE A LARGER.
>> WE'RE ACTUALLY SURPRISED IT WAS A DAY IN JUNE NOT JULY.
>> I WOULD'VE ANTICIPATED TOWARDS THE END OF JULY.
>> HOTTER STREAK, PEOPLE START TO USE MORE WATER.
BUT 6:00 AM, 10:00 PM JUNE, JULY.
>> IT'S UNPREDICTABLE WHEN IT OCCURS.
>> JIM, YOU HAD A QUESTION EARLIER THAT THEY HAD SAID YOU WILL BEST ADDRESS THAT TO MR. BIRKHOFF WHEN HE WAS HERE.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE QUESTION? [LAUGHTER]
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS TERRY OR JIM.
>> THE LINE THAT WAS THERE, IN JOHN'S LETTER HERE, IT SAYS WE'RE ALLOWED WHAT? WE COULD GET UP TO 4.43 MGDS.
>> THERE'S A SUPPLY LINE FROM THE DISTRICT AND A PUMP STATION THAT THEY'RE FEEDING YOU OFF ANOTHER LINE AS MUCH WATER AS THEY CAN FEED THROUGH THERE.
THERE'S CRITERIA OF VELOCITIES AND EVERYTHING, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP YOUR GROUND STORAGE TANKS FULL.
THEY'LL GET IT FULL AND WATER MAY HAVE TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE FOR A WHILE, BUT THEY KEEP FILLING EVERYBODY THE BEST THEY CAN AS THEY MOVE WATER AROUND.
THEN YOUR EAST SIDE PUMP STATION IS IF YOU'RE RUNNING EVERYTHING, YOU'RE MEETING THE DEMAND.
>> FOUR PUMPS, YOU SHOULD ONLY BE USING THREE, WITH THE LARGEST PUMP SOON TO BE OUT OF SERVICE.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE USING EVERYTHING AND YOU DON'T HAVE A REDUNDANCY.
AS WE BRING ON CENTRAL, IT'S DESIGNED THE SAME WAY, LARGEST PUMP OUT.
IF ANYTHING FAILS, YOU ARE STILL ABLE TO SUPPLY WATER.
>> THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU FOR REMINDING.
>> THAT WAS LEAKED. [INAUDIBLE] TALK ABOUT THAT.
>> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BIRKHOFF?
>> MADAM MAYOR, WITH THAT, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND ORNATE 846 AS THE TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ENACTED BY THE ORDINANCE NUMBERS 844, 839, 833, 824, 815, AND 812 ON THE ACCEPTANCE, REVIEW AND APPROVAL IS NOT NECESSARY FOR THE SUBDIVISION, SITE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, AND EXTRA TERRESTRIAL JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OF PARKER. EASY FOR ME TO SAY.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MAYOR PRO TEM REED AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER FECHT.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY.
WE'LL TALK THROUGH YOUR VOTE ON APPROVING ORDINANCE NUMBER 846, EXTENDING THE TEMPORARY MORATORIUM.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 5, 0.
NEXT, WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 5,
[5. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2023-749 SETTING A PROPOSED TAX RATE; AND APPROVING DATES, TIMES; AND A LOCATION FOR ONE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED FY 2023-2024 BUDGET AND TAX RATE, AND A DATE FOR THE VOTE ON THE ADOPTION OF THE 2023-2024 BUDGET AND APPROVAL OF A TAX RATE.]
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CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-7497.I PROPOSE TAX RATE AND APPROVING DATES, TIMES, AND A LOCATION FOR ONE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED FY2023-2024 BUDGET AND TAX RATE, AND A DATE FOR THE VOTE ON THE ADOPTION OF THE 2023-2024 BUDGET AND APPROVAL OF THE TAX RATE.
GRANT, YOU WANT TO LAY THIS OFF, PLEASE, SIR? OUR DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, GRANT SAVAGE.
THANKS. SO JUST GO THROUGH THIS POWERPOINT REAL QUICK.
TO JUST SHOW YOU WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE BUDGET PROCESS AND TAX RATE PROCESS.
I FILED A PROPOSED BUDGET WITH THE CITY SECRETARY ON AUGUST 4TH AND IT'S POSTED ON THE WEBSITE, AND THEN TONIGHT WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE AND THEN ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE AND BUDGET AND FINAL ACTION.
THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER WAS PREPARED USING THE DE MINIMIS RATE, SO WHEN I GO THROUGH THIS, I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT SENATE BILL 2 THAT WAS PASSED IN 2019, THE DIFFERENT TAX RATE CALCULATIONS.
WE HAVE THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE, AND IN THE YEARS PAST THAT WAS CALLED THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE AND IT'S A TAX RATE NEEDED TO RAISE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY IS THE PRIOR YEAR.
VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE, AND THAT WAS THE ROLLBACK TAX RATE, AND THAT IS THE RATE NECESSARY TO RAISE 8% MORE FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS THAN THE YEAR BEFORE.
THEN THERE'S THE DE MINIMIS RATE, IT'S A TAX RATE CALCULATION DESIGNED TO GIVE SMALLER TAXING UNITS WITH CITIES WITH POPULATION BELOW 30,000 FLEXIBILITY TO ADOPT A TAX RATE THAT GENERATES 500,000 MORE AND PROPERTY TAX REVENUE THAN THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
THIS IS JUST TO PROTECT THEM FROM THE 3.5% LIMIT, THE SET.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TAX RATE CALCULATIONS ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THESE WERE DONE BY THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND THEN I REVIEWED AND APPROVED THEM, SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE, AND THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE FOR 2023.
THEN AT THE BOTTOM, THAT'S THE PROPOSED TAX RATE OF 322680, AND BECAUSE IT EXCEEDS EITHER OF THOSE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE NEXT TWO, THE M&O RATE AND THE DEBT TAX RATE, IF YOU ADD THOSE TOGETHER, THAT'S GOING TO CALCULATE FOR YOUR TOTAL TAX RATE.
DE MINIMIS RATE IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE TAX RATE, SO IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME AT 322680.
THE PROPOSED TAX RATE IS ACTUALLY A DECREASE IN AS FAR AS TAX RATE GOES OF 0.06609 CENTS FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
BECAUSE IT DOES EXCEED THE NO NEW REVENUE OR THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE, THE RECORD VOTES REQUIRED TONIGHT AND THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX RATE IS SET TO BE SCHEDULED, THAT PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, TUESDAY AT CITY HALL AT SEVEN O'CLOCK. ANY DISCUSSION?
>> ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION?
>> MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-746, SETTING A PROPOSED TAX RATE.
>> AT SOME POINT? [BACKGROUND]
>> SETTING A PROPOSED TAX RATE OF .322680, AND PROVING THE DATES, TIMES, AND LOCATION BEING SEPTEMBER 5TH AT 7:00 PM IN CITY HALL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024 BUDGET AND TAX RATE, THAT DATE ALSO FOR THE VOTE OF THE ADOPTION OF
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THE 2023-24 BUDGET AND APPROVAL OF THE TAX RATE.>> MADAM MAYOR, THAT MOUTHFUL.
>> PLEASE REPEAT IT, WOULD YOU? [LAUGHTER]
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH AND A SECOND FROM MAYOR PRO-TEM JIM REED TO SET THE TAX RIGHT AS .322680, AND FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO BE AT SEPTEMBER 5TH 2023 AT 7:00 PM IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS, AND THE VOTE ALSO TO BE SEPTEMBER 5TH 2023 AT 7:00 PM IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THIS TAX RATE IS A DECREASE BY.006609 FROM LAST YEAR.
>> MADAM MAYOR, JUST ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED TAX RATE, WHEN WE COME TO SEPTEMBER 5TH THAT RATE CAN BE CHANGED.
>> THAT'S MY FAULT, A PROPOSED TAX RATE, YES.
>> IT IS A PROPOSED TAX RATE AS THIS IS THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
ANYTHING CAN BE CHANGED UNTIL THE FINAL VOTE?
>> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. EXCEPT THIS IS THE MAX THE TAX RATE CAN BE, WE'RE SETTING THE MAX TAX RATE, SO IF IT CHANGES IT CAN ONLY GO LOWER.
>> THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE, WILL IT BE UPDATED FOR THE ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN THE WORKSHOP EARLIER TODAY?
>> SO PEOPLE COULD SEE THE MOST CURRENT?
>> I HAVE A COVER SHEET ATTACHED TO IT AS WELL, YES, MA'AM.
>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, COMMENTS? IF NOT, I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE ON.
>> IS IT GOING TO BE A RECORD VOTE?
>> I GOT MY PAPERS ALL SCREWED UP, THERE WE GO.
FOR RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-749.
AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK EACH OF YOU TO VOTE FOR OR AGAINST COUNCILMEMBER KERCHO?
>> RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-749 IS ADOPTED ON A 5-0 VOTE.
>> GRANT, DO WE NEED TO RESTATE THAT SINCE THAT WILL HAPPEN, THEN FINAL MEETING WILL TAKE PLACE?
>> QUIT TRYING TO COMPLICATE THINGS, REED.
>> I'VE NEVER, THERE USED TO BE LANGUAGE, [LAUGHTER]
>> WE USED TO HAVE TO STATE STUFF AFTER CERTAIN THINGS.
>> I FIGURED SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN [INAUDIBLE]
>> WELL, THERE USED TO BE A WAY WE HAD TO DO THINGS BEFORE CHANGES WERE MADE.
>> I KNOW, IT CHANGES LIKE WEEKLY.
WE WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 6,
[6. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2023-750 OF THE CITY OF PARKER SUSPENDING THE SEPTEMBER 1, 2023 EFFECTIVE DATE OF COSERV GAS, LTD.’S REQUESTED RATE CHANGE TO PERMIT THE CITY TIME TO STUDY THE REQUEST AND TO ESTABLISH REASONABLE RATES; APPROVING COOPERATION WITH OTHER CITIES IN THE COSERV SERVICE AREA, TO HIRE LEGAL AND CONSULTING SERVICES AND TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE COMPANY AND DIRECT ANY NECESSARY LITIGATION AND APPEALS; REQUIRING REIMBURSEMENT OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE OF CITIES SERVED BY COSERV GAS’ RATE CASE EXPENSES; FINDING THAT THE MEETING AT WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS PASSED IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS REQUIRED BY LAW; REQUIRING NOTICE OF THIS RESOLUTION TO THE COMPANY AND LEGAL COUNSEL.]
CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-750 OF THE CITY OF PARKER SUSPENDING THE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2023 EFFECTIVE DATE OF COSERV GAS LTD REQUESTED RIGHT CHANGE TO PERMIT THE CITY TIME TO STUDY THE REQUEST AND TO ESTABLISH REASONABLE RIGHTS.APPROVING COOPERATION WITH OTHER CITIES IN THE COSERV SERVICE AREA TO HIRE LEGAL AND CONSULTING SERVICES AND TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE COMPANY AND DIRECT ANY NECESSARY LITIGATION AND APPEALS.
REQUIRING REIMBURSEMENT OF THE CITY COMMITTEES OF THE CITY SERVED BY COSERV GAS RIGHT EXPENSES.
FINDING THAT THE MEETING AT WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS PASSED IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND AS REQUIRED BY LAW.
REQUIRING NOTICE OF DISRUPT RESOLUTION TO THE COMPANY AND LEGAL COUNSEL.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION
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ON ITEM NUMBER 6 THE COSERV RIGHT REQUEST? IS THERE A MOTION THEN?>> MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-750, SUSPENDING THE SEPTEMBER 1 EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE COSERV GAS REQUESTED CHANGE, ETC.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FECHT TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2023-750, SUSPENDING THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF SEPTEMBER 1, 2023 OF COSERV GAS REQUESTED RIGHT CHANGE.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-750, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0.
[7. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2023-751 MAKING AN APPOINTMENT TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION (P&R) COMMISSION ALTERNATE ONE POSITION EXPIRING NOVEMBER 30, 2024.]
CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-751, MAKING AN APPOINTMENT TO THE PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION, ALTERNATIVE ONE POSITION WHICH WILL EXPIRE NOVEMBER 30TH, 2024.I BELIEVE THAT PATTI HAS GOTTEN TO YOU, APPLICANT FOR THAT POSITION.
RICHARD PRATT. ANY QUESTIONS? I WILL OFFER THIS MR. PRATT HAS BEEN PARTICIPATING ON THE PARK FEST COMMITTEE AND HAS BEEN QUITE ACTIVE BEEN IN OUR CITY A COUPLE OF YEARS AND EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN THIS.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICANT, RICHARD PRATT, FOR THE APPOINTMENT TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION, ALTERNATE ONE POSITION EXPIRING NOVEMBER 30, 2024.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH IN A SECOND, BUT MAYOR PRO TEM REED TO APPOINT RICHARD PRATT TO PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION, ALTERNATIVE ONE POSSESSION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? [INAUDIBLE] I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 50.
PATTY, WOULD YOU PLEASE LET MR. PRATT KNOW OF HIS APPOINTMENT? NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER 8,
[8. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2023-752, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PARKER, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, APPOINTING THE CURRENT ALTERNATE 2 POSITION HOLDER TO THE VACANT PLACE TWO POSITION, AND APPOINTING AN ALTERNATE MEMBER TO SERVE IN THE THEN VACANT ALTERNATE 2 POSITION ON THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.]
CONSIDERATION OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-752 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PARKER, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, APPOINTING THE CURRENT ALTERNATIVE TWO POSITION HOLDER TO THE VACANT PLACE TWO POSITION, AND APPOINTING AN ALTERNATE MEMBER TO SERVE AND VACANT ALTERNATE TWO POSITION ON THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.WHEN MR. KERCHO JOINED US ON COUNCIL, HE RESIGNED HIS SEAT OF CBI.
THE FIRST ALTERNATE WAS TRUDY JACKSON, AND MS. JACKSON WOULD LIKE TO MOVE UP TO THE VOTING MEMBER.
WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR THE ALTERNATE POSITION TWO TED LANE, WHO IS HERE TONIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF NOT, QUESTIONS COMMENTS.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, APPOINTING TO THE CURRENT ALTERNATE TWO POSITION HOLDER, MR. TED LANE, TO THE VACANT PLACE, POSITION NUMBER 2.
MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT THE CURRENT ALTERNATE TWO POSITION HOLDER TO THE VACANT PLACE TWO POSITION AND
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APPOINT AN ALTERNATE MEMBER TO SERVE IN THE THEN VACANT ALTERNATE TWO POSITION IN THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AS MR. TED LANE.>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER NOE AND A SEPARATE BY COUNCIL MEMBER FECHT TO A POINT, TRUDY JACKSON FROM ALTERNATE POSITION TO THE VOTING POSITION, AND TO APPOINT TED LANE TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AS AN ALTERNATE.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? THEN I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES 50.
WELCOME TO THE ZONING BOARD, AND MR. LANE, WHEN YOU CAN PLEASE GET WITH PATTY, SHE WILL GET YOU SWORN IN AND ALL YOUR PAPERWORK DONE.
[9. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2023-753, REGARDING NOMINATION OF A BOARD OF DIRECTOR POSITION FOR THE COLLIN COUNTY CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT.]
CONSIDERATION OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-753, REGARDING NOMINATION OF A BOARD OF DIRECTOR POSITION FOR THE COLLIN COUNTY CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT.WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR, THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A COUNCIL MEMBER, CAN BE ANYBODY IN THE WORLD THAT YOU WANT TO NOMINATE.
IN THE PAST, WE HAVE ALWAYS NOMINATED ONE PERSON AND GIVEN THAT ONE PERSON, ALL OF OUR FIVE VOTES, BECAUSE PARKER BEING LITTLE, TO BE HONEST, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANCE OUR PERSON IS GOING TO BEAT OUT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY VOTES PLAY MIDDLE CLASS.
>> BUT WE TRY SO IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT HAS AN INTEREST OR WANTS TO NOMINATE.
>> SO I HAVE A QUESTION IN READING THROUGH THE INFORMATION, IT APPEARS THAT IT'S ALL OF THE DIRECTORS ARE BEING ELECTED AGAIN OR THIS YEAR.
ALL FIVE POSITIONS, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN IT HAD BEEN IN THE PAST.
THERE'S ACTUALLY FIVE DIFFERENT NOMINATIONS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED.
AT FRONT IT SAYS 2 YEARS TERMS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTATION FROM COLLIN COUNTY, IT REFERS TO A 4 YEARS TERMS. IT WAS UNCLEAR, I WOULD IMAGINE THERE'S SOME ROLE IN PERIOD.
>> I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, AND THEN COLLIN COUNTY IS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO GET BACK WITH US TO LET US KNOW OUR ALLOCATION OF VOTES.
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S BEEN FIVE, AND SO YOU CAN NOMINATE 1 TO 5, SO OBVIOUSLY IT GETS REPEAT [INAUDIBLE], BUT IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU.
IF YOU WANTED TO DO BETWEEN 1 AND 5 NOMINATIONS.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE TWO INDIVIDUALS TO TWO OF THE POSITIONS OR PUT THEM IN MULTIPLE TIMES.
ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE IS RICHARD WILLIAMS, WHO LIVES ON ENGLENOOK DRIVE.
>> ENGLENOOK DRIVE, RICHARD KENT WILLIAMS III.
>> THE SECOND INDIVIDUAL IS CHARLES WEIS WHO LIVES ON SPRINGHILL ESTATES DRIVE.
>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? COUNCIL, DO YOU WANT TO SOMEHOW BRINGING UP? I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO EITHER.
>> YOU'VE GOT TWO ME, I UNDERSTAND, TWO.
IT'S THE THIRD ONE THAT I HAD WANT YOU TO DO THIS.
>> I'D SUGGEST PUT MR. WILLIAMS IN THREE [INAUDIBLE] AND MR. WEIS IN TWO.
>> MADAM MAYOR, JUST A QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
IS IT SUCH THAT IF WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE NOMINATED, IS ONE PERSON ABLE TO REPRESENT ALL FIVE VOTES AT ONE TIME, OR IS IT ONLY SINGLE VOTE EVENT?
>> WE WILL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE HOW TO ALLOCATE THE VOTES ON THE DOCKET, OR ON THE BALLOT.
APPRAISAL DISTRICT HAS SOME OTHER STEPS TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH US.
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WE JUST FOR GETTING AHEAD OF IT ON THE NOMINATION PART, I THINK THE ACTUAL ALLOCATION IS A FUTURE ACTION ITEM.>> AS I READ IT, IT'S FIVE SEPARATE VOTES.
>> CORRECT, THAT'S IN OCTOBER.
>> YEAH. WE'RE JUST NOMINATING PEOPLE.
WE CAN NOMINATE TO FIVE PEOPLE.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ONLY HAVE FIVE VOTES AT THE BALLOT TIME IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER.
>> BUT WE'RE NOT DILUTING ONE.
>> NO. YOU CAN DO YOUR TWO AND FIVE ON EACH.
>> WE'RE JUST NOMINATING PEOPLE TONIGHT.
>> I THINK THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN THE CITY OR KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE AREA.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PARKER TO GET THE RIGHT FOR PEOPLE TO SEE PARKER.
PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED AND WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS.
>> I THINK IT'S VERY GOOD AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER NO BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT IS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE VOTES ARE REPRESENTATIVE.
IF WE HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT ARE ABLE TO ATTEND, I THINK THAT'S OUR CHANCE OF ALWAYS HAVING ATTENDANCE ALSO.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT TO GO FORWARD.
>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE HAVE TWO NOMINEES.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION OR DO WE NEED A MOTION?
>> WE NEED A NOMINATION, THAT'S NEED A MOTION.
>> THAT'S A MOTION THEN I NEED A SECOND.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I SECOND THESE NOMINATIONS OF RICHARD WILLIAMS AND CHARLES WEISS, EXCUSE ME.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO NOMINATE RICHARD WILLIAMS THREE TIMES AND CHARLES WEISS TWO TIMES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THOSE NOMINATIONS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES 5,0.
NUMBER 10, CONSIDERATION AND OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-754
[10.CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2023-754 APPROVING THE PURCHASE OF A NEW 4X4 FORD F550 TYPE 6 WILDLAND/GRASSLAND FIRE TRUCK FROM SIDDONS-MARTIN EMERGENCY GROUP, LLC UNDER ITS HGAC 2023 CONTRACT PRICING AS REPLACEMENT FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT VEHICLE BRUSH 811 AND AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF THE RELATED CONTRACT DOCUMENTS]
APPROVING THE PURCHASE OF A NEW 4X4 FORD F550 TYPE 6 WILD LAND GRASSLAND FIRE TRUCK FROM SIDDONS MARTIN'S EMERGENCY GROUP, LLC UNDER ITS HDAC 2023 CONTRACT PRICING AS REPLACEMENT FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT VEHICLE BRUSH 811 UNAUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF RELATED CONTRACT DOCUMENTS.I SEE OUR FIRE CHIEF RIGHT HERE TO ADVISE.
>> EVERY TIME I STAND UP HERE, IT SEEMS IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE FOR THE CITY, BUT IT'S UNFORTUNATE.
>> I WISH I COULD. WE'VE KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE, YOU'LL NOTICE ALONG THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LINES IT'S A 15 YEAR REPLACEMENT CRITERIA THAT THE CITY HAD AGREED FOR THE BIG ENGINE AND 10 YEARS FOR THE BRUSH TRUCK.
I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BRUSH TRUCK AND THIS FIRST ONE.
THE BRUSH TRUCK WE ACQUIRED FOR A COST OF $14,000, THAT WAS 10 YEARS OVER 12 YEARS AGO.
THE TEXAS FIRE SERVICE PAID FOR THE REMAINDER.
OUR OBLIGATION WAS TO MAINTAIN THE VEHICLE FOR 10 YEARS, WHICH IS WELL PAST.
I WOULD SAY THAT DURING THAT TIME, WE DID DEPLOY DOWN TO THE BASTROP FIRES AND PROTECTED AREAS IN THE COUNTY.
RIGHT NOW, THE VEHICLE IS IN NEED OF CONSISTENT REPAIR.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WE'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY THAN IT'S REALLY ECONOMICALLY WORTH AT THIS POINT.
IN ADDITION, THE CITY IS DIFFERENT TODAY THAN IT WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
WHEN WE FIRST BOUGHT THIS, IT WAS ABOUT I THINK 40% BUILT OUT AND TODAY WAS SUBSTANTIALLY MORE.
THE AMOUNT OF GRASSLAND HERE IS REDUCED DRAMATICALLY, BUT THAT DOESN'T SAY WE DON'T HAVE GRASS FIRES.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL IN THE PAST THREE YEARS.
WE LOST A STRUCTURE TWO YEARS AGO TO A GRASS FIRE.
THESE ARE FAST MOVING FIRES TYPICALLY, WELL, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN HAWAII RIGHT NOW, EXCEPT NOT TO THE EXTENT YOU'VE SEEN IT IN HAWAII.
BUT THEY WILL MOVE VERY RAPIDLY AND AS A RESULT, WE STILL NEED A A BRUSH TRUCK IN ORDER TO COMBAT THE FIRES.
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WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS GOING BACK TO WHAT WE HAD BEFORE, [NOISE]IT IS NOT WHAT I'LL CALL SOMETHING WITH ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES, IT'S JUST THE OPPOSITE.
BUT THAT'S REALLY ALL WE NEED RIGHT NOW.
THE CHALLENGE WE FACE WITH THIS, AS WELL AS A CONVERSATION NEXT, IS THAT THE PRICE IS GOING UP ABOUT 7% A YEAR.
AND THE TIMEFRAME TO DELIVER, ACTUALLY IN THIS CASE IT'S ALMOST TWO YEARS, IS EXTENDING OUT.
[INAUDIBLE] CHASSIS IS THE MOST CHALLENGING FOR THE FABRICATORS.
AS A RESULT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TODAY IS LOCK IN A PRICE IN 2023 DOLLARS THAT WILL HOLD IN HIS FIRM.
THE MANUFACTURER IS TAKING THE ECONOMIC RISK OF THE PRICE INCREASES THAT WILL OCCUR.
MY RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IS TO REPLACE THE VEHICLE TODAY.
THEY'VE ALREADY PUT IN 28,000.
WE KNOW IT WILL BE IN NEED OF REPAIR AGAIN, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT YEAR, BUT SUBSTANTIALLY AFTER THAT, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE REPAIRS ARE REQUIRED TYPICALLY BECAUSE THIS VEHICLE GOES OFF THE ROAD.
IN GOING OFF ROAD, IT DOESN'T GO FAST THAN FIVE MILES AN HOUR.
THAT SURE IT'LL BE SLOWER, BUT IT WILL HIT THE REPS AND IT'LL BANG DOWN IN AT 10 YEARS OF THAT WATER SITTING ON THAT CHASSIS.
IT JARS EVERYTHING YOU'VE JUST REPLACED THE TURBO ON THAT COSTS IT GOT BANGED AROUND AND THAT'S WHAT CONTINUES TO HAPPEN.
THEREFORE RECOMMEND A NEW REPLACEMENT, WHICH AT LEAST WE'LL SAVE SOME MONEY ON WARRANTY, AS WELL AS SIMPLY THE COST OF OPERATING BECAUSE IT'S A SMALLER VEHICLE. OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.
>> CHIEF, ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT I KNOW IT'S STRANGE TO SAY THIS BECAUSE WE PAID SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT FOR THE EXISTING TOOL THAT WE HAVE AND IT NEEDS REPAIR, BUT IS THERE ANY RECOVERY THAT WE CAN GET FOR THAT VEHICLE? THAT AS FAR AS BACK TO THE CITY?
>> OF COURSE, YES. I'M SORRY. I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED IT. IT'S ANOTHER THING.
THE EXPECTATION IS WE WILL PUT UP FOR AUCTION WHEN WE GET THE NEW VEHICLE AND ONCE WE EXCEED IT'S OPERATIONAL.
WHAT I'D SAY HERE IT'S ABOUT 50,000.
IT SHOULD BE 50,000. I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG ONE.
WHEN I SOLD THE OUR F550 10+ YEARS AGO, WERE ABLE TO GET ABOUT 50,000 FOR THAT TOO.
>> I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE EXTENSIVE REPAIRS.
I MEAN, CAN YOU GIVE A BALLPARK OF WHETHER IT'D BE IN THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OR TWENTIES OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
>> IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL REPAIRS?
>> YES. YOU SEE ON THE HORIZON.
>> AND WE KNOW WE JUST PUT $5,000 INTO IT. FOR THE TURBO.
>> ALMOST 30 WHEN IT WAS ALL SAID AND DONE, I THINK.
>> WE GOT TO CROSS IT WITH CASCADING.
>> WE KEPT CASCADING MORE AND MORE AND MORE.
>> THAT'S MY POINT. THAT'S WHAT I WANT [INAUDIBLE]
>> ONE THING LED TO ANOTHER THAT LED TO ANOTHER THAT LED TO ANOTHER.
>> WHAT WERE THE ACTUAL EXPENSES INCURRED ON THIS VEHICLE IN THE LAST YEAR?
>> THE ACTUAL EXPENSES OCCURRED ON THE VEHICLE?
>> MAINTENANCE? MAINTENANCE, ITSELF IS JUST A COUPLE OF THOUSAND DOLLARS.
>> DO WE EXCEED 40,000 OR IS IT 30,000 OR 25,000?
>> IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE? IN TERMS OF UNSCHEDULED REPAIRS?
>> IN THE LAST YEAR WE SPENT 28,450.
>> THE NEW TRUCK THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, HOW MANY GALLONS OF WATER? HOW MUCH PUMP CAN YOU GIVE US A FEEL FOR THAT.
>> THE NEW VEHICLE WILL CARRY ROUGHLY 400 GALLONS OF WATER, WHICH IS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT FOR THE NEEDS WE HAVE.
REMEMBER THEY GO OUT, THEY COME BACK AND REFILL.
THEY GO OUT AND COME BACK AND REFILL.
THE CURRENT VEHICLE CARRIES 500 GALLONS OF WATER.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.
IT JUST CARRIES THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF HOSE WE USE FOR WILDLAND FIREFIGHTING.
THESE ARE NOT STRUCTURAL FIREFIGHTING VEHICLES ARE NOT MADE FOR THE HOUSES.
THESE ARE PUMPING ROLE PUMP SIZES GENERALLY 75 GALLONS IN METER OR SO ABOUT THAT.
>> AND YOU KNOW PUMP IN THIS TRUCK?
>> WELL, THIS TRUCK WILL HAVE PUMP ALSO, WE WOULD CARRY CLASS A PUMP.
>> GENERALLY ON THESE THINGS IS 20 GALLONS FOR THIS ONE.
WE'LL HAVE 30 ON THE OTHER IT'S 20 GALLONS.
>> ORIGINALLY, THE FIRST TRUCK YOU GOT,
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YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE IN A COST-SHARING AGREEMENT WITH FOREST RESERVE.>> YEAH. IS THERE ANY TYPE OF WHAT BROUGHT THAT ABOUT AND IS THERE ANYTHING PROGRAM AVAILABLE.
>> WELL, IT TOOK US FIVE YEARS TO GET THAT.
WE HAD APPLIED FOR A GRANT SOMETIME WELL, FIVE YEARS PRIOR TO THAT, I JUST BECOME FIRE CHIEF 2005, I GOT A LETTER SAYING, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU ARE COST-SHARE FOR A NEW LARGE BRUSH TRUCK.
THEY SAID YES, YOU DID FIVE YEARS AGO.
WHEN I SAID WHAT IF I WANT A SMALL BRUSH TRUCK? HE SAID WE'LL PUT YOUR NAME ON THE LIST TO GET IN FIVE-YEARS WE'LL CALL YOU BACK AGAIN.
>> PRACTICALLY, IT'S NUMBER ONE, THE LIST IS LONG.
NUMBER TWO, IT HAS TO BE FUNDED.
NUMBER THREE, THEY GET VENTRALLY GET TO YOUR NAME.
WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED THE GRANT ONCE ALREADY.
>> CAN YOU IDENTIFY HOW MUCH THE TRUCK I KNOW YOU SAID IT WAS AGAINST THE FIRE MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO OR A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT TRUCK HAS BEEN USED ON HOW MANY EVENTS THIS PAST YEAR?
>> WE RUN ABOUT 20 GRASS FIRES A YEAR.
>> THEN THE COST OF THE REPAIRS IT SAYS HERE, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, YOU SPENT 28,000 OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, SO ROUGHLY 10,000 A YEAR.
AT THAT POINT, THE COST OF THE NEW TRUCK AT 180,000, DON'T KNOW WHERE THE INTEREST RATES ARE GOING T O BE IN TWO YEARS OR EVEN WHAT THE STATE OF THE TRUCK IS GOING TO BE IN TWO YEARS.
BUT I GUESS 180,000 ON INTERESTS WOULD COVER THE REPAIRS IF IT STAYED AT 10,000.
THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU FEEL THAT THIS TRUCK IS IN DEFINITE NEED OF REPLACEMENT AFTER THE 30,000 THAT YOU'VE SPENT ALREADY ON IT?
>> THE ANSWER IS YES IT IS, BUT THERE'S A FACTOR YOU'RE NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, WHICH IS WHEN IT'S OUT OF COMMISSION WE HAVE NO REST TRUCK.
FIRE MOVES RAPIDLY, SO WHILE WHEN WE'VE RECEIVING HELP FROM OTHER FIRE STATIONS, THOSE FIRE STATIONS ARE FURTHER AWAY, AND WHEN THE FIRE GETS OUT OF CONTROL, IT BECOMES MUCH LARGER IN A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM FOR MANY MORE PEOPLE.
REALLY THE BALANCE IN THE EQUATION HERE IS THE DOLLARS IN TERMS OF, AS YOU'RE DESCRIBING, ANNUAL REPAIRS.
BUT THE UNKNOWN IS HOW LONG IS IT OUT OF SERVICE AND IS IT OUT OF SERVICE AT THE WRONG TIME?
>> CHIEF ONE OTHER FACTOR, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT IS THERE ALSO A FACTOR WITH THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLE BEING A LITTLE MORE MANEUVERABLE THAN THE EXISTING ONE THAT'S PRETTY LARGE, IS THAT A FACTOR?
>> IT IS, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THE VEHICLE WAS ACQUIRED WHEN WE HAD MUCH MORE OPEN LAND.
TODAY, IF 550 GETS INTO THE SMALLER AREAS, WE COULD NOT USE THIS BIG VEHICLE IN THE BACKYARDS OF PEOPLE'S HOMES, FOR EXAMPLE.
IT JUST WOULD NOT GET BACK THERE, THOUGH IT HAS MORE UTILITY.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF SHEFF? OKAY. COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AMONG YOURSELVES? IF NOT, I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION.
>> ONE OTHER THING I GUESS THAT I THINK I WANTED TO JUST ADD FOR THE RECORD IS THAT YOU CHIEF SHEFF MENTIONED THIS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE ACTUAL TIMING OF THIS, WE WOULD BE ACTUALLY WORKING ON ON STARTING NOW, BUT IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE RECEIVED. FOR HOW LONG?
>> WELL, THEY'RE SAYING 23 - 24 MONTHS AND THEN THEY'RE SAYING THAT'S JUST AN APPROXIMATION.
>> WE ARE ESSENTIALLY BUYING IT AT TODAY'S PRICE, BUT NOT RECEIVING IT FOR TWO YEARS.
>> TWO YEARS. IT'LL LIKELY BE MORE THAN TWO YEARS
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH MY MIND THAT I COULD MAKE SEE TODD'S MIND GOING ALSO IS THAT CAN WE ARRANGE SOMETHING THAT WE PUT A CERTAIN AMOUNT DOWN AND HOLD SOME OF THAT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY PAY AT ALL OR WHAT ARE THE TS AND CS IN BEING ABLE TO GET IT LOCKED IN.
YOU SAID WE WERE LOCKING IN THE VOTE.
>> NO, WE'RE LOCKING IT IN NOW.
>> WELL THAT'S JUST MY POINT, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY DOWN PAYMENT.
>> OH, NO DOWN PAYMENT, BUT LOCKING IT IN NOW.
>> NOW, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS EXECUTE THE CONTRACT AND WE'LL PAY FOR IT UPON DELIVERY.
>> THEN ALSO IN YOUR LAST PRESENTATION, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, YOU WERE SAYING IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND THIS UNIT USED MAYBE TWO YEARS FOR 130,000 SAY 50,000 OF DEPRECIATION [BACKGROUND]
>> AND GET AN EXTENDED WARRANTY SO WE'RE COVERED?
>> THE CHALLENGE OF USED VEHICLES, NUMBER 1 IS EVERYONE IS HOLDING ONTO VEHICLES AS LONG AS THEY CAN, SO WHEN THEY'RE RELEASED INTO THE AFTERMARKET, THESE VEHICLES ARE JUST BATTERED AROUND.
WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE PAYING A PREMIUM FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S USED EQUIPMENT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND A FIVE-YEAR-OLD PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
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>> ANYTHING ELSE? THEN, I WOULD ACCEPT A MOTION.
COUNCIL, DO YOU WISH TO PASS ON THIS ITEM?
>> MADAM MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-754, FOR THE PURCHASE OF A NEW FOUR-BY-FOUR FORD F550 TYPE SIX, WILDLAND, GRASSLAND, FIRE TRUCK IS IDENTIFIED.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER NOE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF PASSING RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-754, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANY OPPOSED? WELL, MOTION CARRIES 5-0.
>> OF COURSE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> WELL, WE'LL UPDATE THAT WITHIN THE [BACKGROUND]
SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE APPROVED THAT, I KNOW WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION EARLIER, SO IT WE'LL MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT TOO.
[11.CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. 2023-755 APPROVING THE PURCHASE OF A NEW STRUCTURAL FIREFIGHTING PUMPER FIRE TRUCK FROM DACO FIRE EQUIPMENT UNDER ITS HGAC (#FS12- 19) AND BUYBOARD (#651-21) CONTRACT PRICING AS REPLACEMENT FOR FIRE Page 4 of 4 DEPARTMENT VEHICLE ENGINE 811 AND AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF THE RELATED CONTRACT DOCUMENTS.]
CONSIDERATION AND OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-755, APPROVING THE PURCHASE OF A NEW STRUCTURAL FIREFIGHTING PUMPER TRUCK FROM DACO FIRE EQUIPMENT UNDER ITS HDAC AND BOB BOARD CONTRACT PRICING AS REPLACEMENT FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT VEHICLE ENGINE 811 AND AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF THE RELATED DOCUMENTS.>> THIS ONE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, NUMBER 1, IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE OBVIOUSLY.
WE HAVE TWO FIRE TRUCKS BASICALLY, AND WHEN ONE WORKS, WHICH IS OUR PRIMARY ONE, THAT'S OUR LARGE LADDER TRUCK, IT IS COMBINATION LADDER PUMPER TRUCK THAT'S WHAT GOES FIRST.
THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE SHOP, IT'S IN THE SHOP UNDER WARRANTY, BUT IT'S BEEN IN THE SHOP FOR SEVERAL WEEKS, IT'LL CONTINUE TO BE IN THE SHOP SEVERAL WEEKS.
WHEN THE VEHICLE GOES EITHER FOR MAINTENANCE OR FOR, IN THIS CASE, UNSCHEDULED REPAIRS, WE RELY ON OUR SECOND VEHICLE.
OUR SECOND VEHICLE IS A PUMPER, WE BOUGHT IT IN 2001, 2002.
IT IS OVER 20 YEARS OLD, WE PUT $30,000 INTO IT ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO SAYING WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THREE MAYBE 4, 5 YEARS OUT OF IT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 2-3 YEARS NOW AND IT'LL BE REACHING ITS LIMIT, IT PRESENTLY HAS ADDITIONAL, IT HAS A LEAK IN IT'S FOAM TANK.
WE WOULD CARRY NO FOAM IN THE APPARATUS RIGHT NOW, SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS TO FIX IT.
WHY? BECAUSE IN ORDER TO GET TO THE TANK, YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE APART HALF OF THE INSIDE OF THE TRUCK AND THAT'S ALL LABOR AND THEN YOU GOT TO PUT IT BACK AGAIN AFTER YOU FIX IT.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S RUNNING WITHOUT FOAM, UNFORTUNATE AS IT IS.
A YEAR OVER YEAR, SO LET'S LOOK AT IT FROM JULY TO JULY LAST.
AROUND 64 CALLS, 14% OF OUR CALLS RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST RAN 30 MINUTES AGO ON IT CALL, RAN THREE YESTERDAY.
IT'S BEEN IN SERVICE NOW FOR THREE WEEKS ON THIS ONE, IT'LL BE IN SERVICE PROBABLY FOR ANOTHER THREE WEEKS UNTIL WE GET OUR APPARATUS BACK.
IT'S 20-YEAR-OLD FIRE TRUCK, EVERY TIME WE TURN THE IGNITION, IT'S GOT TO START, IT DOESN'T GET ANY SIMPLER.
OKAY, SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, IS A BARE-BONES REPLACEMENT.
THIS IS NO BELLS AND WHISTLES, THIS IS NO FRILLS ON THIS THING, I DON'T NEED FRILL, WE DON'T HAVE HEAVY INDUSTRY, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUT RESIDENTIAL HOMES, SOME LARGE BUILDINGS.
BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE PUMPER IS JUST AS GOOD FOR OUR NEEDS.
AT $875,000, WE'D LOCK IN THE PRICE TODAY DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE INTEREST RATES WILL BE, AS I DID LOOK IN TWO YEARS, IT'LL COST $1 MILLION AT 7% A YEAR OVER WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE VALUE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, $875,000 TODAY AT A 4% INTEREST RATE IS IN TWO YEARS WORTH 946,000.
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EFFECTIVELY YOU'RE LOCKING IN A VEHICLE THAT'LL COST 1 MILLION, AND TODAY'S VALUE OF 871.IF WE GET IT TWO YEARS FROM NOW AT CITIES COST OF CAPITAL, YOU'RE STILL SAVING ABOUT $50,000 OVER WHAT WE OTHERWISE WOULD PAY IF WE HAD DONE NOTHING AND JUST BOUGHT IT IN THE OPEN MARKET.
THE REASONS FOR IT ARE THE SAME AS WITH THE BRUSH TRUCK, WE NEED A SECOND FIRE TRUCK.
WE HAVE A CHOICE, WE CAN RELY ON WHAT WE HAVE HERE AND HOPE IT RUNS.
IT IS BEEN OUT OF SERVICE IN THE PAST REGULARLY, AND THEN WE'RE DOWN TO ONE FIRE TRUCK.
THE ALTERNATIVE OF BUYING USED, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, EVERYONE IS HOLDING ONTO THEIR VEHICLE, WE LOOK AT THE USED FIRE MARKET ALL THE TIME.
THE REALITY IS YOU'RE JUST BUYING 20 YEARS OF SOMEONE ELSE'S PROBLEM AT A PREMIUM, I SHOULD LAY THAT.
WHEN WE QUERY A DEALER AS TO WHAT THE PRICE WOULD BE IN THE AFTERMARKET TODAY, WE GOT ABOUT A $40,000 QUOTE FOR BOTH.
BY THE WAY, THAT'S BOTH THIS ENGINE AND THE OLD ONE WE HAVE IN 1995, WHICH IS BEYOND ECONOMIC REPAIR AT THE MOMENT, THEY GIVE US 40,000 FOR BOTH OF THEM, SO THAT'LL BRING THE PRICE DOWN SLOWLY.
BUT THAT'S TODAY'S COST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'LL BE IN TWO YEARS.
MAYBE IT'LL BE HIGHER, MAYBE IT WILL BE SLIGHTLY LOWER, I DON'T KNOW.
AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT'S A DECISION WE NEED TO MAKE.
IT'S TIME TO REPLACE THE VEHICLE, WE KICKED IT DOWN THE ROAD ABOUT A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK.
IF WE WAIT, KICK IT DOWN, AND ROW IT AGAIN, IT'LL BE $1 MILLION OR MORE, AND I BELIEVE THAT BASICALLY TAKES IT OUT OF THE PRICE RANGE OF THE CITY AT THAT POINT. OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS?
>> QUESTION, I HAVE I GUESS IN MY MIND IS THAT SINCE WE'RE HAVING TO USE THE VEHICLE RIGHT NOW AND IT WAS LIMPING.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN OLDER VEHICLE.
YOU WERE SAYING THAT IF YOU GET SOME PRE-OWNED VEHICLES FROM SOMEONE ELSE, YOU'RE TAKING SOMEONE ELSE'S GARBAGE ESSENTIALLY.
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE EVEN THOUGH IT'S OLDER.
MY MIND IS THINKING THAT, LET'S CALL IT A MILLION DOLLARS, PRACTICALLY.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE A LOT OF REPAIR THAT YOU CAN PUT IT IN THAT VEHICLE.
I WOULD THINK YOU COULD RECONSTRUCT THE WHOLE THING FOR LESS THAN THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF HAVING A VEHICLE THAT OLD, BUT I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE A LOT LESS THAN THAT.
IN MY MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND A FULL TOP TO BOTTOM ONCE WE GET OUR NUMBER 1 BACK, WHAT THAT WOULD BE? LOOK AT THAT, WHAT THE TIMING WOULD BE TO DO THAT IF THAT'S FEASIBLE.
THEN MAYBE RE-EVALUATE WHAT WE DO HERE BASED ON THAT RESPONSE, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A MILLION DOLLAR DECISION WHEN WE HAVE A VEHICLE THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LEVEL OF REPAIR IS.
THAT'S JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, BUT I'LL PASS IT TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.
>> YES. THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO SAY IS, I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO LET THE COMPANY KNOW BY SEPTEMBER 1, WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH THIS OR NOT, OTHERWISE, THERE'S APPROACHED CHANGED.
>> MADAM MAYOR, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION REGARDING HOW MANY COMPETITIVE BIDS HAVE WE RECEIVED, AND IF WE HAVE THE SPECIFICATION FOR [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE LOOKED AT A FEW MANUFACTURERS, BUT THIS IS BASICALLY BASED ON THE AGE GAP AND BY BOARD.
EVERYONE BASICALLY QUOTES AT ABOUT THAT SAME LEVEL.
>> I GUESS HOW MANY SEPARATE ACTION WILL QOUTE SHOULD WE RECEIVE?
>> WE DON'T NECESSARILY GET QUOTES PER SE.
WE'LL SPEC OUT, AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS BASICALLY GOING TO COME DOWN TO THAT SAME AGE GAP NUMBER.
>> THEY'LL BID AT THAT SAME LEVEL.
>> THESE ARE PRE-BID OUT WHERE MEMBERS OF BY BOARD IN HOUSTON-GALVESTON AREA COUNCIL, THEY DO ALL THE BIDDING.
PEOPLE FROM NORTH DAKOTA, CALIFORNIA, ANYWHERE AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE BASICALLY BUYING OFF HDACS CONTRACT FOR FIRE TRUCKS.
FOR SAINT MARTIN AND ALL THAT, WHETHER IT'S IN MARTIN'S ROSENBAUM, YOU CAN LOOK, THEY'LL HAVE EVERY MANUFACTURER, BASICALLY.
>> EVERY MANUFACTURER OR QUOTED.
>> THAT WHAT YOU CAN LOOK AT ON THERE.
>> I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THERE'S REALLY NOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT FOR A COMPETITIVE BID INSTEAD, THE WAY THIS WAS.
>> THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF AGE GAP, IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO AFTER COMPETITIVE BID.
IT IS COMPETITIVE THERE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR BIDS.
>> YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S ONLY ONE SOURCE TO GO GET BIDS?
>> YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S ONLY ONE SOURCE TO GO GET BIDS?
>> THE COMPANIES, THEY BID TO ALL THESE, WHETHER IT'S SOURCE WELL, BY BOARD, HDAC,
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THEY SEND ALL OF THEM, THEY'RE ALL WORK TOGETHER.AS FAR AS THE PURCHASING, IT'S AN INSURANCE AGENT.
>> YEAH. WELL, INDEPENDENT INSURANCE AGENT THAT YOU GO OUT AND THEY BASICALLY DID EVERYTHING.
>> THEY BID EVERYTHING OUT FOR YOU.
>> THEN THEY TALLY UP THOSE BIDS AND LAY EVERYTHING OUT.
THEY WRITE ALL THE SPECS, THEY WRITE EVERYTHING OUT FOR YOU.
THEN YOU CAN GO AND PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH MODEL YOU WANT.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS ONE, THIS IS A COMMANDER 70.
EVERY COMMANDER 70 IS GOING TO HAVE A PRICE AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR ADD-ONS THAT THEY PRICE OUT.
>> LET'S GO BACK TO OUR CURRENT MODEL, YOU SAID HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN WITHOUT FOAM?
>> ON THIS ONE SPECIFIC UNIT THAT'S IN THE SHOP, SO THAT IT HAS NOT HAD A FOAM FOR A WHILE.
>> NO, WE JUST NOTICE THE LEAK MAYBE THREE WEEKS AGO, FOUR WEEKS AGO.
>> ABOUT $9,000. THAT'S JUST FOR THE FOAM.
>> I'M GOING TO GO TO THE GYM. I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE HERE TONIGHT.
I AGREE, WE SHOULD GET SOME MORE KNOWLEDGE IN THIS AREA BEFORE WE SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS OF TAXPAYERS MONEY.
>> I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE HDAC BY BOARD.
THOSE ARRANGEMENTS ARE A CO-OP PURCHASING CO-OP, IT'S LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY SATISFIED THE COMPETITIVE BID.
THEY GET THE LOWEST BIDS FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS FOR THE DIFFERENT GOODS.
THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
>> COULD YOU BE A SHORT BACKGROUND ON THE PUMPER TRUCKS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU SAID THAT 1995 IS OUT THERE THOUGH.
IT'S A BOAT AT THIS POINT, BUT I ASSUME SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY WE HAD 100 FOOT LADDER TRUCK AND WE HAD TO PUMPER TRUCKS AND SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY WE PUSHED THE ONE OUT AND SAID IT'S NOT WORTH FIXING.
>> WELL, WAIT. THE BACKGROUND THERE IS THAT WHEN WE HAD THE PUMPER TRUCK AS OUR PRIMARY VEHICLE, WHICH IS THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
WE THEN BROUGHT A LADDER TRUCK, THAT LADDER TRUCK BECAME OUR PRIMARY.
THE PUMPER TRUCK BECAME OUR SECONDARY, IT WORKED FOR MANY YEARS AS A SECONDARY, MAYBE 10 OR 15 YEARS.
WE GOT THE FIRST LADDER TRUCK 13 YEARS AGO.
THE SECOND BUMPER WAS ACTUALLY WHEN WE HAD JUST TWO PUMPERS.
THAT WAS THE 1995, THAT MOVED INTO RESERVE, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF RESERVE WAS WHEN WE WENT FOR ISO RATINGS.
THE RATING REQUIRED US TO HAVE A RESERVE PUMPER AND HAVE A RESERVE LADDER TRUCK.
WELL, THERE WAS A LADDER TRUCK, I NEGOTIATED WITH THE CITY WILDLY THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE ONE OF THEIR RESERVE VEHICLES IF THAT OCCURRED.
BUT WITH REGARD THAT THE PUMPER, IT WAS THERE.
WE DIDN'T NEED TO DO THAT AND WE HAVE THE PUMPER FOR RESERVE AND WE GOT HER ISO RATING IT TO, WHICH PUT US IN THE TOP 10% FIRE DEPARTMENTS NATIONALLY.
THE YEARS HAVE GONE BY NOW, THAT PUMPER IS WORTH MAYBE $5,000.
I DON'T RECOMMEND PUTTING THE MONEY, WE NEED IT TO IT, IT'S AIR CONDITIONING DOESN'T WORK.
THE PUMP HAS TO BE REBUILT, AND THAT'S $10,000 JUST TO PULL IT APART AND SEE WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT.
FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, IT JUST SITS THERE.
WE CAN SELL IT AS A GROUP PURCHASE, SO TO SPEAK, AND THAT'S THE STORY ON THE 95, IT'S JUST BEYOND ECONOMIC REPAIR.
>> YOU SAID THAT LADDER TRUCK IS CURRENTLY OUT OF COMMISSION WAITING FOR REPAIR BEEN IN THREE WEEKS, POTENTIALLY ANOTHER THREE WEEKS.
IS THAT A TYPICAL IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG WITH ONE OF THESE TRUCKS, AT THAT TYPE OF REPAIR TIME?
GENERALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU'RE SEQUENCING AND YOUR HAVE VEHICLE AND ALL THE OTHER FIRE TRUCKS THAT ARE AT THE REPAIR SHOP.
WHEN THEY GET TO IT, THEY WILL DIAGNOSE THE PROBLEM.
WHEN THE PROBLEMS DIAGNOSED AS IN THIS CASE HERE FOR US, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO TO CUMMINS ENGINES, WHICH HAS SPECIALIZED SHOP FOR THEM TO WORK ON THE ENGINE.
THEN IT'LL GET PUT IN A SEQUENCE, THAT SEQUENCE WILL EVENTUALLY GET TO OUR TURN.
IT'LL BE REPAIRED AND SENT BACK TO US.
JUST THESE VEHICLES ARE EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR GENERALLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PARTS THAT GO INTO IT, A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, AND THERE ARE A LIMITED NUMBER OF REPAIR SHOPS AND ACTUALLY DO THE REPAIRS.
WE'RE NOT A DALLAS WHICH HAS ITS OWN REPAIR SHOP.
WE ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE OUR SIZE OR SLIGHTLY LARGER, WILL USE A THIRD PARTY.
>> FROM YOUR KNOWLEDGE PERSPECTIVE, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY REBUILDING OR DOING MORE REPAIR COSTS ON THE PUMPER TRUCK IN QUESTION.
WITH WHATEVER, CAN YOU GIVE US ANY MORE INFORMATION AS FAR AS WHAT YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH IT.
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FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE IF THE ONE TRUCKS OUT FOR SIX WEEKS, JUST FOR ONE THING, WHAT WOULD WE THE- [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING]>> RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO ON THE CURRENT ENGINE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THE AIR CONDITION WOULD HAVE TO BE REPAIRED OR REPLACED BECAUSE IT IS UNDER-PERFORMING.
WE WOULD HAVE TO PULL PART THE PUMP WOULD HAVE TO BE THEN OVERHAUL.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE REPLACED THEM SEALS ON IT, BUT IT NOW HAS TO BE REPAIRED EVERY YEAR THE PUMP WILL GO THROUGH A THIRD PARTY CERTIFICATION.
IF IT FAILS, IT FAILS AND IT HASN'T FAILED YET.
BUT IF IT FAILS, IT GETS PULLED OUT OF SERVICE UNTIL THAT PUMP IS REPAIRED AND IT CAN BE $30-$40,000 TO REPAIR A PUMP.
MUCH OF IT IS UNKNOWN UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY PULL IT APART AND SEE IF IT'S AN IMPELLER THAT HAS A BLADE THAT'S BROKEN OFF OR IT'S MORE INVOLVED THAN THAT.
>> I GOT TO CONFUSE WHAT WERE WE TALKING NOW? THE 95, ARE WE TALKING? [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO, NO. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE.
>> THEY BOTH HAD EVER CONDITIONING ISSUES.
>> THEN THE AIR CONDITIONING, IS IT REFRIGERANT JUST YOU HAVE IN AN AUTOMOBILE AND WHATNOT. IT MIGHT BE A [OVERLAPPING].
>> TO 20 YEAR OLD AIR CONDITIONER, PROBABLY [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE WHOLE THING YOU'RE TALKING WHAT MAYBE $3,000 IF HE HAD TO REDO THE WHOLE THING COMPRESSOR AND THE WHOLE 9 YARDS.
>> I'D HAVE TO FIND OUT, I WOULD GUESS WITH LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.
>> BUT WOULD HAVE TO BE REPLACED, IT'S A 20 YEAR OLD VEHICLE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] IS THE WORKING WITH ONE TRUCK RIGHT NOW AS WE SURMISED.
LUCKILY WE'VE GOT THE BACKUP OF THE SURROUNDING CITIES.
WHAT'S OUR EXPOSURE WITH ONE TRUCK RIGHT NOW?
>> WE HAVE ALL OUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET.
WELL, ACTUALLY WE HAVE TWO TRUCKS.
ONE IS OUT FOR SERVICE AND THEREFORE WE HAVE THE SECOND TRUCK AVAILABLE.
BUT NOW THAT THE SECOND TRUCK ARE BEING USED, THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE USING A 20 YEAR OLD TRUCK AND RELYING ON THAT, OR ARE WE USING SOMETHING MORE CURRENT?
>> BUT IF WE WOULD PUT THE 2011 IN FOR WHATEVER REPAIRS NEED TO BE, WE ARE GOING TO BE DOWN TO ONE TRUCK.
WHAT IS OUR EXPOSURE ONE TRUCK?
>> WELL, THE EXPOSURE IS WE TURNED THE KEY AND IT DOESN'T WORK.
WHAT WE DO THEN IS WE CALL FOR ASSISTANCE FROM THE OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND WE GO GET IT REPAIRED.
IN THE SHORT TERM, I BORROWED FIRE TRUCKS FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND THEY'VE BORROWED FROM US.
>> ONE OTHER THING, JUST TO ADD, JUST AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR MY UNDERSTANDING AND COLLECTIVELY US ALL UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF WE SAID RIGHT NOW, LIKE GO AHEAD, 880K, ORDER IT TOMORROW, WE'RE STILL TALKING TWO YEARS, SO WE STILL HAVE A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE TO NAVIGATE FOR PROBABLY 24 MONTHS.
MY SUGGESTION IS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE 2001, I THINK YOU SAID RIGHT.
2001 PUMPER TO GET IT TO A LEVEL THAT WE CAN USE IT FOR TWO YEARS SO THAT WE'RE NOT IN A PANIC MODE IN THE TWO YEARS THAT IT TAKES TO GET THE NEW VEHICLE EVEN IF WE DECIDE TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
THE SECOND THING IS THAT ONCE WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND WE LOOK AT IT, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THIS KIND OF DEADLINE FOR THE PRICING.
BUT IN MY OPINION, I THINK BECAUSE OF THE LARGE COST THAT WE ARE TALKING HERE AND WE HAVE TO DO IT ANYWAY.
I THINK WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED, GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND THEN EVEN IF WE HAVE TO SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS AND I'M HERE EATING CROW BECAUSE WE GET MADE THE DECISION THAT WAS NOT RIGHT OFF OF GUT.
WE DID OFF OF INFORMATION THAT WE KNEW TO MAKE THAT DECISION. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
AT SOME POINT, I BELIEVE ASSISTANT CHIEF MILLER TOLD ME THAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO CHANGE IN 25 OR 27 AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS FOR GETTING THIS TRUCK NOW.
>> I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE EMISSION CONTROLS ON THE DIESELS ARE GOING TO GO I THINK IT'S YOUR 25 IN THE MANDATED EMISSION CONTROLS DON'T HOLD ME TO THE 25-YEAR, BUT NO, THE INCREASES PRICE BACK COMING UP WILL BE BECAUSE OF CHANGES IN GOVERNMENT REGULATION.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PRICE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE IF WE DID IT TONIGHT?
>> I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE PUT OUT THEIR 7%.
>> THEY WERE TELLING US THE INCREASE IN COST IS ABOUT 7%.
>> I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE SPENDING $800,000 WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS CITIZENS HERE THAT HAVE USED CARS JUST LIKE BUSINESSES.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ANALYSIS ABOUT $100,000 NEW UNIT FOR A TWO OR THREE-YEAR-OLD,
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MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE OR 600,000, SAVE A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS IN DEPRECIATION RIGHT OFF THE BAT.THEN YOU COULD DO AN EXTENDED WARRANTY HAVE IT UNDER WARRANTY.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY I CAN VOTE WITHOUT THAT.
>> LET ME UNDERSTAND YOUR ASKING FOR SOME QUOTES AND THE AFTERMARKET
>> I MIGHT ADD ALSO, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER THAT WE HAVE WHAT THE REPAIR COST IS OF OUR AUXILIARY UNIT THAT'S OUR PRIMARY RIGHT NOW SINCE OUR NUMBER ONE, IS IT A SHOT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT ANYWAY.
>> YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S JUST NUMBERS.
SAY WE TAKE THE 20-YEAR-OLD UNIT THAT TAKES 44,000 A YEAR TO KEEP IT RUNNING PERFECT OR YOU GET A NEW UNIT, YOU'LL SAVE A QUARTER MILLION OR DEPRECIATION AND IT COSTS YOU 30,000 A YEAR TO KEEP IT RUNNING IT'S JUST NUMBERS, I NEED TO SEE THEM.
>> PART OF THE QUESTION THOUGH IS GOING TO BE RIGHT.
IF YOU DO REPAIRS AND YOU GET THE TRUCK RUNNING FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS, RIGHT? THEN YOU BUY A TRUCK, GETS TWO YEARS OUT BEFORE YOU GET THAT NEW TRUCK.
YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, NOW I'M TALKING FOUR YEARS OUT, RIGHT?
>> THEY WENT WITH ROSENBAUER BECAUSE THEY HAD A TWO-YEAR LIMIT? THE PEERS WAS WHAT, FOUR TO FIVE YEARS BUILD-OUT TIMEFRAME.
THAT'S WHY THEY WENT- [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU'RE SAYING THE LEAD TIME.
>> THE LEAD TIME WAS FOUR TO FIVE YEARS WITH PEERS.
>> WHAT IF THE ISSUE IS AS LARGE AS IT MAY BE, IT MAY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO FIND THAT USED UNIT FOR 500,000, SAVE 300,000 DEPRECIATION, AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT COULD GO INTO SERVICE WITHIN 60 DAYS?
>> I WILL OBTAIN THE INFORMATION ON THE NEWS.
I THINK YOU'RE OVERESTIMATING WHERE THE MARKET IS.
I ALSO THINK YOU'RE OVERESTIMATING WHAT WILL BE AVAILABLE AND THE DESIRABILITY OF THE APPARATUS WHEN IT IS AVAILABLE, WHERE IT'S COMING FROM, ETC., AND THE HISTORY OF THE APPARATUS.
>> I'M JUST SENSITIVE TO SET SPENDING OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. THAT'S ALL.
>> I UNDERSTAND. ONE OTHER THING TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT FIREFIGHTERS, YOU START PUTTING THEM IN USED VEHICLES.
BUT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT TURNOVER.
YOU'LL SEE THE TURNOVER INCREASES, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
YOU'RE TELLING THE FIREFIGHTERS WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THEM FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THEIR SAFETY.
I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> I AGREE. I MEAN, BUT I THINK IN THE SAME SENSE.
I'M NOT SAYING NECESSARILY, NO, NO WAY, I'M SAYING, LET'S LOOK AT IT AND LET'S ROLL IT IN, HOW IT MAKES SENSE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING AND I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE ALSO HAVING A DEADLINE OF TONIGHT TO LOOK AT THIS AND MAKE A DECISION.
I WOULD RATHER HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME.
EVEN IF IT COSTS US MORE MONEY OR A LITTLE MORE LEAD TIME [NOISE], I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE HAVING THAT INFORMATION.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE GOOD EQUIPMENT.
IN FACT, I THINK I WAS LOOKING AT THE ASPECTS THAT, LOOK WE NEED TO REPAIR THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT.
I MEAN, AS FAR AS IF I WAS A FIREFIGHTER AND HAD SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T HAVE AIR CONDITIONING AND HAD INEFFICIENT WITHOUT FOAM AND ALL THAT THING.
I THINK I WOULD SEE IT AS A BIG PLUS THAT NEAR-TERM, THEY'RE FIXING THE UNIT SO THEY OPERATES BETTER AND LONGER-TERM.
THEY'RE GOING TO GET A NEW ONE DOWN THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHERE MY HEAD IS ON IT. NOT, NO.
>> WHERE I'M HEADING IS THE FOLLOWING.
ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, WE SPENT $30,000 TO HAVE THE VEHICLE INSPECTED AND WE PULLED THOSE ITEMS THAT WE FELT WERE MANDATORY FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE AND GOT THOSE REPAIR.
THERE ARE OTHERS ELEMENTS THAT WERE NOT.
BUT IN ORDER TO ANSWER WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, WHICH IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
IT HAS TO GO INTO THE SHOP AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND MONEY IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
AS LONG AS WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
>> WE'RE PROPOSING A WIN-WIN SITUATION.
WE JUST WANT TO SPEND THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY THE BEST WAY AND TAKE CARE OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS.
AND MAKE SURE OUR CITY IS VERY SAFE.
>> AND CHIEF SHEFF, YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF MANAGING THE FLEET TO WHERE EVERYTHING DONE AGE OUT AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THIS CAME AS A SURPRISE AS [LAUGHTER]
>> THIS WASN'T ON THE LIST WHILE IT'S INCLUDED ON THE EQUIPMENT SCHEDULED FOR 25, 26, I THINK THE YEAR BEFORE IT WAS ANOTHER YEAR OUT.
IT'S SLOWLY COMING GETTING CLOSER INTO THE- [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK THE SURPRISE WAS AS THE DELAY IN RECEIVING IT HAS EXTENDED.
WE'VE PUSHED UP THE DECISION BECAUSE OF JUST THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
>>WELL, IN AGREEMENT WITH THE FOLKS HERE AS FAR AS WE NEED SOME TIME TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT ALL THE FACTS TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME WE WERE GIVEN THIS INFORMATION.
>> I BELIEVE WE HAD A WORKSHOP ON BOTH OF THE TRUCKS
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ON THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON JULY, WHAT WAS IT? [OVERLAPPING]>> THE PRESENTATION WAS ON THE BRUSH TRUCK.
>> BUT WHAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE ENGINE AND ALL OF THE LONG-TERM PLANNING MEETINGS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
>> THOSE ARE VERY HIGH LEVEL AND NOT A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE.
>> YES, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO DO AN ANALYSIS TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE IF THERE ARE ANY ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS AND REALLY PUT FORTH A PRESENTATION OR A DOCUMENT THAT SHOWS WHAT WERE THE ALTERNATIVES CONSIDERED ON THE PRE-OWNED MARKET.
WHAT WERE THE REASONS WHY THEY WERE NOT GONNA BE SUFFICIENT TO KIND OF BE ABLE TO BETTER JUSTIFY THE EXPENDITURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING?
>> YOU STARTED OUT YOUR TALK, I THINK IDENTIFYING WHAT MAYBE CITY COUNCIL, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT CITY COUNCIL HAD GIVEN THOSE DIRECTIVES OR THOSE AREA YOUR DIRECTOR, AS FAR AS HOW LONG THE CITY HAD IDENTIFIED THE KEY CERTAIN VEHICLES.
>> I BELIEVE WE HAVE A REPLACEMENT PLAN IN PLACE, I THINK IT'S RIGHT HERE ON THE SHEET HERE WHERE I GOT THE NUMBERS FROM.
>> I THINK YOU HAD SAID AT THE BEGINNING THAT THE CITY HAD INDICATED THEY WOULD KEEP CERTAIN VEHICLES 15 YEARS AND OTHERS.
AM I JUST IMAGINING THAT OR DID YOU SAY THAT?
>> HE WAS LOOKING AT THAT SHEET?
>> IT'S ON THE SHEET ITSELF? NOT SURE I'M GETTING THE NUMBERS FROM.
>> I THINK WHAT COUNCILMAN KERCHO WHAT WAS ASKING IS THAT WHERE DID THAT DATA COME FROM FOR THE NUMBERS FOR EACH OF THE LIVELIHOOD OF THE VEHICLES.
>. WHAT IS THE TYPICAL LIFE OF A PUMPER TRUCK?
>> THE TYPICAL LIFE FOR PUMPER TRUCK DEPENDS ON IF IT'S URBAN, IT'S 10 YEARS.
IF IT'S SUBURBAN AS IT WOULD BE ABOUT 20 YEARS.
AFTER 25 YEARS NFPA REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT THIS CITY COULD NOT BUY A 26-YEAR-OLD PUMPER TRUCK.
AS IT SAYS WAY OF SAYING WE WOULD BE PRECLUDED.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCIL, WHAT IS IT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO?
>> MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS RESOLUTION OR POSTPONE THIS RESOLUTION UNTIL WE COULD GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION FROM CHIEF CHEF ON THE ACTUAL OTHER OPTIONS, WHETHER IT BE A PRE-OWNED VEHICLE IF THAT EXISTS, AND ALSO THE REPAIR COSTS OF THE EXISTING BACK-UP UNIT THAT WE HAVE.
THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE A DECISION ON HOW WE WANT TO GO FORWARD.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MAYOR PRO TEM REED, AND SECONDS FROM COUNCILMEMBER TODD FECHT, TO POSTPONE ANY ACTION ON THIS ITEM FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.
>> ONE DISCUSSION I WOULD MAKE THAT ONCE HE HAS THE INFORMATION, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE TO TALK THROUGH IT AGAIN, WHATEVER THAT IS, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT.
YOU CAN DO A SPECIAL MEETING OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.
>> IT'LL BE SEVERAL WEEKS UNTIL WE GET THAT, SO THIS IS NOT AN IMMEDIATE THING.
>> THAT MEANS THAT IF IT IS PAST SEPTEMBER 1ST, THEN THE DEAL THAT'S ON THE TABLE IS GONE; IS THAT CORRECT? JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE ON THAT.
WE'VE GOT MOTION, SO I'M NOT GOING TO ASK THAT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THEN I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OR POSTPONING ANY ACTION ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANYONE OPPOSE? FOR ONE WITH THE ONE BEING RANDY KERCHO AGAINST.
>> THANK YOU, MIKE. NEXT WE HAVE ANY UPDATES,
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MR. OLSON YOU'RE UP.>> TWENTY FIVE 51, I HAVE NO UPDATES.
IT SAYS TXDOT, I DO NOT KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO START ON THAT PROJECT.
>> ANY OTHER UPDATES? I'M TRYING TO SCHEDULE SEVERAL DIFFERENT WORKSHOPS LIKE THE CIVICPLUS WEBSITE, THANK YOU.
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WENT BLIND THERE, THE WEBSITE.ANOTHER CRP COMP PLAN, WELL, WE HAVE A CRP TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE 22ND, I BELIEVE IT IS.
>> WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE WHERE MEETING THURSDAY TO SEE WHERE WE STAND WITH THOSE, MYSELF, JOHN, AND AMY ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL THOSE.
>> HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING.
WE'RE REALLY PUSHING THE CONTRACTORS TO GET US SOMETHING OUT.
>> THINGS ARE NOT JUST DISAPPEARING, WE DO HAVE THEM AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH PEOPLE'S SCHEDULES TO GET THEM GOING.
JUST SO EVERYBODY, ONE GROUP OF JUST IGNORE THEM.
NEXT WE HAVE, EVERYBODY'S GOT THE REPORTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU ON THE WEBSITE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THOSE OR ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CERTAINLY BRING THEM TO THE NEXT MEETING.
IF YOU HADN'T A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL DO ITEM 13 DONATIONS,
[13.ACCEPTANCE OF DONATION(S) FOR POLICE, FIRE, AND CITY STAFF FOR THE RECORD (Each valued at between $0 - $500)]
ACCEPTANCE OF DONATIONS FOR POLICE FUND CITY STAFF FOR THE RECORD.DAVID SHANTY DONATED HOMEMADE COOKIES VALUED AT $10 TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
LASTLY, THIS WILL BE SECOND TO LAST TONIGHT.
ARE THERE ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS THOSE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TRUCK? NOT HEARING ANY, IF YOU BUY DOES THINK OF SOMETHING, PLEASE JUST SHOOT ME AN EMAIL AND IT WILL BE CONSIDERED.
LASTLY, I'M GOING TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENTS BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
ABOUT THE START OF THE MEETING AND WHATNOT AND I DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD FROM MR. PILGRIM, COME ON UP, BUDDY AND TELL US WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND.>> THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING HERE ON TIME FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE GOING TO START TILL ABOUT 7:00.
I'M BUDDY PILGRIM, I LIVE AT 3106 BLUFFS LANE.
I WANT TO COMMENT ON TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TAX RATES TONIGHT OR IF NOT, MAYBE I MISS THAT.
I REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE CITY OF PARKER TO IMPLEMENT A POLICY BEFORE YOU CONSIDER WHAT TO DO WITH THE RATE ITSELF TO IMPLEMENT A POLICY THAT WOULD HONOR AND RECOGNIZE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AND OVER 65 EXEMPTIONS.
THE CITY DOESN'T, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING EITHER ON OR BOTH OF THOSE OR ONE OF THOSE, CONSIDERING THE VALUATION OF THE PROPERTY AND THE TAXES THAT ARE ASSESSED ON IT.
THIS IS A GREAT COMMUNITY TO RETIRE IN.
PROPERTY TAXES ARE ONE OF THE MOST EGREGIOUS FORMS OF TAXES FOR ANYBODY THAT RETIRES.
BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE NOT EARNING AN INCOME, IT ESSENTIALLY BECOMES A WEALTH TAX.
MOST CITIES RECOGNIZE THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AND THE OVER 65 EXEMPTION, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PARKER DO THAT AS WELL BEFORE YOU RECONSIDER TAX RATES.
SECOND THING, I'VE GOT A MINUTE OR SO LEFT ON MY TIME IS TOMORROW IS WHEN THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY HAS THEIR FINAL HEARING ON THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO RULE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SURPRISING IF THEY DON'T RULE IN FAVOR OF THE DECISION BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, THAT'S A PRETTY INCESTUOUS GROUP DOWN THERE AND CORRUPT IN SOME WAYS.
I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE CITY OF PARKER IF TCQ RULES IN FAVOR OF THE PLANT, TO BE WILLING TO SPEND THE MONEY TO FILE AN APPEAL, TO REQUEST A REHEARING OF THE MATTER TO TRY TO SEND IT BACK TO COURT.
IF WE LOSE AGAIN ON REHEARING, I WOULD ENCOURAGED FILING A FORMAL APPEAL, WHICH WOULD BE I THINK TO THE TRAVIS COUNTY DISTRICT COURT.
THIS NEEDS TO GET INTO A COURT ISSUE.
NOT A CIVIL COURT, WHICH IS WHERE IT'S BEEN, BUT TO A REAL APPEALS COURT BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE SOME VERY SIGNIFICANT LEGAL ISSUES THAT COULD GENERATE THIS DECISION BEING OVERTURNED AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT.
LAST THING, JUST LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION ON THE FIRE TRUCK, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.
HAVING RUN TO MULTI HUNDRED MILLION AND MULTI BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES THAT HAD LARGE FLEETS OF 18 WHEELERS AND HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS.
THE LAST ONE HAD OVER 1,000 TRUCKS, OVER 800 THAT WERE HEAVY DUTY 18 WHEELERS.
I WENT INTO BOTH TWO OF THOSE LAST COMPANIES THAT I RAN AS A TURN AROUND CEO AND FOUND THAT THEY HAD YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN RUNNING WHAT I CALL THE BUBBLE GUM BALING WIRE PHILOSOPHY, NOT ONLY ON THEIR TRUCKS BUT ON THE EQUIPMENT.
BUT I'D SPENT MANY YEARS OF CONSULTING IN NORTHWEST ARKANSAS AND I LEARNED FROM WATCHING WALMART AND JB HUNT, TWO OF THE LARGEST VEHICLE FLEETS IN THE WORLD, THAT THEY KEEP THEIR COSTS LOW, NOT BY RUNNING OLD EQUIPMENT, BUT BY RUNNING NEW EQUIPMENT.
YOUR ACTUAL COST OF OPERATION, AS MUCH AS I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT CAPITAL EXPENDITURES, WILL PROBABLY BE LOWER OVER THE LONG HAUL FOR THE CITY OF PARKER IF WE RUN IN GOOD EQUIPMENT THAT'S MORE DEPENDABLE AND LESS AND WILL COST LESS TO OPERATE.
I'VE SEEN THAT FROM OWN EXPERIENCE IN HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
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PART OF THAT REASON IS BECAUSE IT'S VERY VERY DIFFICULT TO BUY ANY HEAVY EQUIPMENT ON THE USED MARKET THAT'S NOT ALREADY WORN OUT.>> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT SINCE WE STARTED A LITTLE BIT EARLY TONIGHT? NOT HEARING ANY, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE? IF NOT, WE ARE ADJOURNED, IT IS 7:30.
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* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.