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>> [BACKGROUND] GOOD EVENING OR AFTERNOON.
[CALL TO ORDER]
I HEREBY CALL THE CITY OF PARKER.IS THIS A SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING? I HEREBY CALL THE CITY OF PARKER SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.
IT IS TUESDAY, AUGUST 15TH, 2023.
AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK, MS. OLSON, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM?
>> I WILL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. FECHT IS NOT WITH US AT THIS TIME, BUT HOPEFULLY HE WILL BE JOINING US.
AS THIS IS A BUDGET WORKSHOP, I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TURN THIS OVER TO OUR DIRECTOR OF FINANCE,
[PROPOSED FY 2023-2024 BUDGET]
GRANT SAVAGE, FOR PRESENTATION.FIRST, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME OUT OF THE DAY TO SCHEDULE THIS MEETING SO WE CAN REVIEW THE BUDGET BEFORE IT GOES TO PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE TIME TO REVIEW IT.
I GAVE EVERYONE SEVERAL PACKETS.
FIRST SHOULD BE THE POWERPOINT, AND THEN THE SECOND DOCUMENT SHOULD BE THE LINE ITEM DETAIL LIKE THIS, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE SUPPLEMENTALS FOR THE GENERAL FUND, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE THE SUPPLEMENTALS FOR THE OTHER FUNDS, AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE LONG-TERM TENURE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE.
[BACKGROUND] IF YOU MIND, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE FOR ME.
I JUST WANTED TO DO JUST OVERVIEW HERE WITH THE GENERAL FUND TO START WITH.
YOU CAN SEE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE REVENUES, THERE'S DECREASES IN THE SALES TAX.
WE'VE NOTICED OUR SALES TAX REVENUE IS STARTING TO GO DOWN, SO WE BUDGETED A DECREASE FOR SALES TAX AND OBVIOUSLY ALL THE BUILDING RELATED INCOME.
LICENSE FEES PERMITS, WE BUDGETED A DECREASE IN THAT AS WELL.
HOWEVER, THAT WAS OFFSET BY OUR INVESTMENT INCOME.
OUR INVESTMENT INCOME IS BEEN DOING REALLY WELL THE LAST FEW MONTHS, SO THAT HELPED OFFSET THOSE OTHER LOSES.
IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, RIGHT NOW, WITHIN THE BUDGET, I'LL SAY THIS, THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN PREPARED USING THE DE MINIMIS RATE.
WITH THE DE MINIMIS RATE AND NO SUPPLEMENTALS IN THE BUDGET, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A $560,000 SURPLUS.
TOTAL TAXABLE REVENUES, THE ESTIMATE WAS 1.66 BILLION.
IT CAME IN A LITTLE HIGHER, ALMOST 1.7 BILLION.
THEN JUST A DETAIL THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT $770,000 OF ADDITIONAL REVENUE FROM THE PRIOR YEAR.
OF THAT AMOUNT, ABOUT 228,000 IS FROM NEW PROPERTY THAT WAS ADDED TO THE APPRAISAL DISTRICTS WEBSITE.
AGAIN, JUST AN FYI, JUST SO YOU HAVE THE IMPACT OF WHAT ONE CENT PROPERTY TAX INCREASE, DECREASE, HOW IT AFFECTS THE CITY BUDGET, IS PER ONE CENT AFFECTS THE BUDGET BY 170,000, AND THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER BASED ON $1,000,000 HOME, IT IMPACTS THEM ABOUT $106.
>> GRANT, CAN I ASK A QUESTION?
>> I SEE THAT YOU'VE GOT $70 MILLION IS FROM NEW TAXABLE PROPERTY, BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ANNEXED PROPERTY.
IS THERE A REASON THAT THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED?
>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE STATEMENT FROM THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE. I'M NOT SURE.
I DIDN'T EVEN BRING THAT WITH ME, SO I'M NOT SURE.
THINKING THROUGH THAT, IF IT WAS AN ANNEX PROPERTY, I GUESS BECAUSE THAT WASN'T IN THE THE VALUES LISTED YEAR BEFORE, THERE WOULD BE NEW VALUES ADDED.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT. BUT IT'S NOT?
>> WELL, THE CERTIFIED VALUE REPORT THAT I HAD PRINTED SHOWS 70 MILLION FOR, IT SAYS TAXABLE VALUE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION AND NEW PPP, AND THEN IT'S GOT ANOTHER COLUMN SAYING, TAXABLE VALUE OF THE ANNEXATIONS OR THE ANNEXATIONS.
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>> HAVE WE ANNEXED PROPERTIES?
>> THAT SMALL PIECE BY BROOKS FARM.
>> WELL, EVEN LIKE KINGS CROSSING 3 WHEN THAT COMES IN, DIDN'T CONSIDER IT ANNEXED AT THAT POINT?
>> YEAH, IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ANNEXED AT THAT POINT, BUT THE VALUE OF THE LAND, I DON T THINK WOULD BE AS CLOSE.
BECAUSE THE LAND IS LESSER VALUE THAN THE ACTUAL HOMES ON THERE, SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
WE'D HAVE TO JUST DOUBLE-CHECK THOSE FIGURES ON THAT.
I DON'T REMEMBER EVER SEEING THAT COLUMN ON THERE. BUT, YES.
MAYBE I HAVE NOT PAID ATTENTION TO IT.
I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE, JUST AS FOR THE RECORD?
>> TEN MILLION DOLLARS, SO SIGNIFICANT.
>> THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE THE VALUE OF THE LAND WITH THE NEW IMPROVEMENTS ON IT.
WHEN SHE PUT THE ROADS, EVERYTHING ON THERE, THAT COULD BE THE VALUE OF THE LAND AT THAT POINT.
>> MY REASON FOR POINTING IT OUT IS BECAUSE I WONDER IF THE AMOUNT OF TAX ON NEW PROPERTIES IS ACTUALLY HIGHER [BACKGROUND] THAN THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM NEW PROPERTIES VERSUS EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE A HIGHER NUMBER.
>> BECAUSE THAT WHOLE TAXABLE INCOME LEVEL GOES UP BY THAT AMOUNT, SO YEAH. I'LL LOOK INTO THAT.
THIS ONE IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE LINE ITEM DETAILED PACKET.
BUT THIS JUST SHOWS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST COLUMN, THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT THE ENDING BALANCE WAS AFTER THE AUDIT FOR 9/30/2022.
THAT WAS OUR BEGINNING FUND BALANCE FOR EACH OF THOSE FUNDS.
THEN IF LOOK AT THE NEXT FEW ROWS OR NEXT COLUMNS THERE, THAT'S THE BUDGETED REVENUES, BUDGET EXPENDITURES FOR FISCAL YEAR '22, '23, AND THE NET DIFFERENCE WITH THE ENDING ESTIMATED FUND BALANCE.
A LOT OF THIS JUST TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET FOR OUR CURRENT YEAR RIGHT NOW.
SOME OF THEM THAT HAVE THE LITTLE RED MARKS BY.
OBVIOUSLY WERE ONES WHERE WE ROLLED THE FUNDS, AND SO I HAD TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS FOR THOSE.
THEN THE '23, '24, WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW, WILL WE HAVE THE PROPOSED BUDGET? THEN WHAT THE ENDING FUND BALANCE WOULD BE.
YOU SEE THAT ALL THE FUNDS HAVE A POSITIVE FUND BALANCE ON THAT ONE.
THE NEXT FEW SLIDES JUST GOES OVER, THIS IS OVERVIEW OF THE SUPPLEMENTALS FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN THE SUPPLEMENTALS FOR THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND.
REALLY I WANT TO JUST TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO GET FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ON LINE ITEMS ON SUPPLEMENTALS.
I JUST WANTED TO GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH EVERYONE HAVING DISCUSSED THE BUDGET PRIOR TO THAT MEETING.
THIS TIME I'LL TURN IT OVER FOR QUESTIONS.
>> ARE YOU TAKING QUESTIONS ON THE ENTIRE BUDGET OR FUND IT A TIME? HOW DO YOU INTEND TO GO THROUGH THIS?
>> TYPICALLY, IN YEARS PAST, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE WENT THROUGH LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM AND EVERYONE GAVE FEEDBACK AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THIS TIME, I DON'T THINK THAT'S PROBABLY REALISTIC JUST GIVEN THE TIME FRAME THAT WE HAVE.
IF THERE ARE CERTAIN QUESTIONS YOU HAVE WITH THE LINE ITEMS, I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH EVERY LINE ITEM, BUT IF YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ALREADY IN MIND AND MARKED, THEN SHOOT AWAY AND I WILL START TO ANSWER THEM.
>> JUST CURIOUS, THESE AREN'T BIG, BUT WE GO BACK TO GENERAL FUNDING. [INAUDIBLE] SO ON THE FRANCHISE FEE COMMUNICATION, I GUESS COMING FROM CHARTER AND FRONTIER, I SEE THAT IT'S LAGGING QUITE A BIT OF WHERE WE ESTIMATED IT.
>> [LAUGHTER] THAT IS WHAT IT IS.
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>> USUALLY WE GET THOSE ON A QUARTERLY BASIS AND THEY PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT DETAIL, NOT MUCH, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A MATTER OF FEWER CUSTOMERS OR WHAT THE DEAL IS.
BUT WE'VE DEFINITELY SEEN A DECLINE IN REVENUE WE'RE SEEING FROM THOSE.
NOW THE OTHER ONES ARE A LITTLE EASIER TO TELL, ELECTRICITY IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, MORE USED OBVIOUSLY, AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S MORE HOMES.
I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE PEOPLE ARE FINDING A WAY TO COMMUNICATE, MAYBE LOWER TELEPHONE BILLS, MAYBE THE COMPANIES ARE BECOMING MORE COMPETITIVE, BUT WE'VE DEFINITELY SEEN A DECREASE IN THOSE COSTS.
>> I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
I JUST ASSUME THAT WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BUDGET AS MUCH REVENUE AS WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
ON THE HEALTH AND DENTAL FOR THE EMPLOYEES, I ASSUME BY THIS POINT IN TIME WE'VE GOTTEN SOME QUOTES.
I KNEW A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT BUDGETS ARE PUSHING UP THEIR HEALTH AND DENTAL BY 15-18%, SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT WHAT THE QUOTES ARE COMING IN AT, OR HAVE WE GOTTEN NO QUOTES AT THIS TIME?
>> WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN QUOTES YET.
OUR MEDICAL PLANS DON'T BECOME EFFECTIVE UNTIL NOVEMBER 1ST, AND SO WE USUALLY WON'T GET DECENT QUOTES UNTIL PROBABLY [OVERLAPPING] END OF SEPTEMBER.
WHAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THIS? I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON OUR INSURANCE PLANS.
WE'RE AGE-BANDED, SO EACH YEAR EVERYONE BECOMES A YEAR OLDER, SO AUTOMATICALLY EVERYONE'S RATES GO UP BY ONE YEAR.
THEN THERE'S ALSO THE IMPACT OF WHETHER WE'RE ANTICIPATING FOR INCREASE IN COST.
SOMETIMES WHEN WE HIRE DURING THE YEAR, WE MIGHT HAVE HAD A YOUNGER EMPLOYEE AND THEY WILL REPLACE WITH THE OLDER EMPLOYEE, SO THEN THAT WOULD RAISE OUR RATES SIGNIFICANTLY IN SOME CASES.
THAT ALSO WHEN YOU SEE A PERCENT INCREASE, SOMETIMES THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE IMPACT, IT'S FROM HIRING SOMEONE THAT WAS OLDER THAN THE PREVIOUS POSITION.
THEN ALSO, IF WE HIRE SOMEBODY THAT'S YOUNGER AND WE HAVE SOME RELATIVELY YOUNG INDIVIDUALS WHO WORK IN SOME DEPARTMENTS, I CAN'T BUDGET BASED ON WHAT THEIRS IS BECAUSE IF ONE OF THEM WERE TO LEAVE AND SOMEBODY ELSE COMES IN, WE'RE GOING TO SEE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
I TRY TO LEAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA MONEY IN THERE WHEN WE HAVE REALLY YOUNG EMPLOYEES IN A CERTAIN DEPARTMENT.
BUT THE AGE BAND MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR MY BUDGETING [INAUDIBLE] ESPECIALLY WHEN THE EMPLOYEES LEAVE.
>> THE THING ON THAT TOPIC, HOW CLOSE WERE WE LAST YEAR WITH OUR BUDGET ON HEALTH INSURANCE AND DENTAL INSURANCE?
>> WE WERE NOWHERE NEAR, AND THE REASON BEING WE HAD SAVINGS LAST YEAR.
OBVIOUSLY, A LOT OF SAVINGS WAS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE HAD VACANCIES AS WE WEREN'T PAYING MEDICAL BENEFITS, AND ALSO WE HAD SOME SAVINGS IN PUBLIC WORKS BECAUSE THEY HAD A COUPLE OF GUYS THAT WERE GONE AND SO THERE ARE VACANCIES THROUGH THE YEAR.
EVEN IN ADMIN, WE HAD A VACANCY FOR A LITTLE WHILE, SO FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS HAD SOME VACANCIES LAST YEAR AND I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT BEING THE CASE EVERY YEAR.
>> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS OUR BUDGET WAS A LITTLE BIT LOW IF WE HAD BEEN FULLY STAFFED, BUT BECAUSE OF THESE OTHER THINGS, THE BUDGET IS NOT SHOWING THAT YOU'RE OVER BUDGET.
>> SO THIS YEAR WHEN YOU WENT TO BUDGET THE HEALTH AND DENTAL, WHAT PERCENTAGE INCREASE DID YOU TAKE FROM THE ACTUAL THAT YOU PAID THIS YEAR?
>> WHAT I DID IS I ADDED ONE YEAR TO EVERYBODY'S AGE WHICH PERCENT-WISE DOESN'T WORK OUT AS A PERCENT, BECAUSE IT WAS WHATEVER ONE YEAR FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL WAS.
THEN I ADDED, I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE 5% IS WHAT I ALLOW FOR AN INCREASE.
WHEN WE'D SPOKEN WITH OUR INSURANCE BROKER, HE INDICATED THAT INSURANCE COSTS COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM NOTHING TO WHAT?
>> TML, I THINK ONE CITY WITH TML GOT A 45-50% INCREASE, BUT I THINK THEY HAD A LOT OF CLAIMS THAT YEAR.
WE DON'T TYPICALLY HAVE A LOT OF CLAIMS, I THINK OUR CLAIMS HAVE BEEN DOWN FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
>> WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT KIND OF INCREASE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, OUR INCREASES HAVE BEEN 5-10%.
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BUT THIS YEAR I'M ALSO THINKING IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE UNIQUE BECAUSE OF OUR SITUATION WITH OUR [INAUDIBLE]>> BUT WE HAD SOME BIG INCREASES THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE HAD DOUBLE-DIGIT INCREASES THERE FOR A WHILE.
>> IN OUR INTERESTS, KROGER DID GIVE US A HEADS UP THAT WE WERE GOING TO SEE SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN THOSE YEARS, AND THIS YEAR HE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE ANYTHING MAJOR.
>> WE'VE GOT SOME CHANGES HOPEFULLY COMING WITH THAT, THE AGE COMING OFF.
>> AND THEN WE BUNDLED WITHIN A LARGER GROUP.
>> WELL, WHAT THEY DO IS WE'RE PART OF A MARKET, IT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE, WE'RE LIKE IN THE NORTH TEXAS MARKET, SO THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT GROUPS OUR SIZE IN NORTH TEXAS AND THAT'S HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE DETERMINED, WHAT OUR COSTS ARE.
THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW IS WE CAN'T REALLY FUND OUR OWN POLICY, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EMPLOYEES TO FUND OUR OWN POLICY.
IF WE WENT TO COMPOSITE, IT WOULD JUST BE TOO COSTLY FOR THE EMPLOYEE AND THE EMPLOYEE'S FAMILIES.
WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS WHEN WE WERE FIRST HERE, WE'D GET THE COMPOSITE RATES WITH TML AND IT WAS JUST ASTRONOMICAL.
WE HAD SOME EMPLOYEES, I THINK PAYING 1,800, $2,000 A MONTH, ALMOST FOR FAMILY INSURANCE.
>> NOT ONLY THAT, THEY DO A COMPARISON FOR OUR INSURANCE PURPOSES FIRST IN EVERY YEAR.
IS IT BETTER FOR US TO GO AGE-BANDED OR IS IT BETTER FOR US TO GO COMPOSITE? BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOWER AVERAGE AGE, IT'S BETTER FOR US TO BE IN THE AGE BANDED PROGRAM.
>> GOING FORWARD, JUST A RECOMMENDATION OR SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO LOOK AT THOSE TYPES OF COSTS LIKE OUR HEALTH INSURANCE ON A TOTAL BASIS BECAUSE SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE SPLIT, THE EMPLOYEES ARE SPLIT, AND TO SEE WHAT OUR TOTAL COST OF THOSE THINGS IS WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
THE WAY YOU EXPLAINED IT WAS VERY HELPFUL IF WE COULD SEE AN ANALYSIS LIKE THAT IT WOULD ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS VERY QUICKLY.
>> I DO HAVE A SPREADSHEET WITH EVERYONE ON IT AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EACH YEAR BUT IT'S AGE-RELATED.
I'M NOT SURE THAT REALLY THAT SHOULD BE DISCLOSED.
>> WE JUST DON'T OFFER ONE PLAN TO OUR EMPLOYEES, WE OFFER MULTIPLE PLANS, AND SO THEY CAN CHOOSE WHICH ONE FITS THEIR FAMILY THE BEST AND THEIR BUDGET THE BEST.
BECAUSE WE OFFER A NICE PLAN AND WE OFFER THE HSA [OVERLAPPING] HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLANS, AND SO WE OFFER A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PLANS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES SO THEY CAN FIT WITHIN THEIR BUDGET AND THEIR FAMILY'S BUDGET FOR WHAT THEY WANT.
I THINK WE'RE ALL ALLOWED UP TO FIVE. RIGHT [INAUDIBLE]
>> I THINK WE'RE ALLOWED TO FIVE, BUT WE TRIED TO STICK WITH THE FOUR.
THAT SEEMED TO WORK THE BEST FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
WE RE-EVALUATE THOSE AND WE DO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR EMPLOYEES EVERY YEAR TO GO OVER THAT.
>> THE NEXT QUESTION I HAD WAS ON ACTUALLY THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET, WHICH I THINK IS ABOUT TWO SLIDES DOWN.
>> I'LL GO TO THE ACTUAL BUDGET DOCUMENT NOW.
>> WELL, HE'S GATHERING THAT QUESTION IS I KNOW LATER ON I THINK SOMEWHERE IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET PARKS IS ASKING FOR, I CAN WRITE 15,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WAS IN SPECIAL EVENTS, THERE'S TWO THINGS YOU HAD LINED OUT.
ONE WAS THE LIVING LEGACY TREE PROGRAM, THE OTHER ONE WAS MISCELLANEOUS EVENTS.
QUESTION IS THAT MISCELLANEOUS EVENTS, IS THERE ANYTHING SCHEDULED FOR THAT OR THERE'S NOT?
>> THEY JUST LOVE THE POSSIBILITY OF COUNCIL TO USE THAT [INAUDIBLE] NECESSARY.
>> WITH THAT IS, SOMETIMES IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S RETIRING, THAT IS WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM FOR THE RETIREMENT RECEPTION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THIS IS ACTUALLY LESS THAN IT HAS BEEN BECAUSE WE HAD A BUNCH OF MONEY IN THEIR HOME.
WE HAD THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY PARTY.
THAT MONEY WAS IN THIS, SO WE'VE GONE DOWN.
THEREFORE IT'S A CUSHION, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO COME UP IN THE BUDGET YEAR.
>> I WAS ONLY LOOKING AT REGARD TO THAT LATER REQUESTS FROM PARKS.
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THAT THIS IS AN AREA THAT PERHAPS WE COULD PULL FROM.>> WHAT I THOUGHT THE LIVING LEGENDS LEGACY TREE.
>> MISCELLANEOUS EVENTS VERSUS LIVING LEGACY.
>> I THOUGHT THAT WENT TO PARKS AND RECS.
>> NO, I HAD THAT ARGUMENT LAST YEAR TO KEEP THAT IN A GENERAL FUND.
JUST BECAUSE THAT MATCHES THE REVENUES, A BUDGET $4,000 OF REVENUE AND THE GENERAL FUND.
THE CASE SOMEBODY DOES BY A TREE, THEY WILL OFFSET.
IF I WERE TO PUT THAT IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, IT'S GOING TO REALLY CONFUSED I THINK EVERYONE, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO THINK THEY HAVE AN EXTRA $4,000 IS BEEN, AND REALLY THAT MONEY IS NOT THERE.
>> YOU'D HAVE THAT CONVERSATION SEVERAL TIMES WITH PARKS IN THE PAST YEAR OR SO.
>> IS EVERYBODY FAMILIAR WITH THE LIVING LEGACY TREE PROGRAM? IF YOU WANTED A TREE TO BE PLANTED OUT IN THE AREA AND YOU GET A PLAQUE THAT SAYS THIS IS A MATTER OF WHOEVER.
THERE IS A LIST OF APPROVED TREES BECAUSE THE HEIGHT BY MORE THAN ONE KNOWS THEM BY TOMORROW.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT COST, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
>> TWO QUICK QUESTIONS IS THAT, ON THAT SAME SUBJECT, COULD THAT BE SENT AS A RESERVE?
>> SURE. I COULD RELABEL THAT.
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO DO IT, DON'T YOU THINK? SETTING AS A RESERVE BECAUSE IF IT DOES TURN OUT THAT YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND WE COULD MOVE IT AROUND, BUT IT COULD BE SOMEWHERE ELSE, ALSO AS SUPPOSE TO BE [INAUDIBLE].
>> THE REASON I THINK GREG DID THIS WAS IN CASE WE DID GET SOMEONE TO PAY FOR ONE.
THE MONEY IS ALREADY THERE TO EXPAND FOR THAT TREE, SO WE'RE NOT COMING BACK TO COUNCIL.
>> [INAUDIBLE] ON THE TREE PROGRAM.
>> I THINK THEY SAID THAT WE HAVE TO GO AND ORDER THE TREE.
JUST THAT WAY IT WOULD OFFSET, SO THAT WHY WE HAVE THE REVENUE BUDGET AND WE HAVE AN EXPENSE BUDGET.
BUT IF WE DON'T SELL ANY TREES, THEN BOB SAID, [INAUDIBLE]
>> I JUST SEE IT STUCK IN THERE, I GUESS IT WAS.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD REGARDING THIS IS THAT ON THE PUBLICATIONS THERE'S 5,000, AND SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT $35,000 AND IT'S LAST YEAR ON THE PUBLICATIONS SECTION.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE DETAIL OF THAT WAS.
>> UNTIL WE MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT THE NEWSLETTER, WE DON'T KNOW.
>> RIGHT NOW, THAT HAD BEEN DONE AND TURN EVERYTHING HAD BEEN DONE INTERNALLY AND VOLUNTEER TIME, SO NOT KNOWING THAT AND SOME OF THE EXPENSES HAVE BEEN PAID AND OTHER PLACES IN THAT, I'M TRYING TO GET IT ALL IN ONE SPOT AND WE WILL DO AND TRY IT, WITH THE COST OF NEWSLETTER IS BETTER.
WE'VE REDUCED THAT TO 1,500, THE SAME AS WE HAVE THIS CURRENT HERE IN THE BUDGET.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE ANTICIPATING INCREASE.
WITH RESPECT TO NEWSLETTER, THERE'S SO MUCH ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS NOW THAT WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE PUBLICATIONS COST.
I WOULD ANTICIPATE WE WOULD FIND COST-SAVINGS THAT WAY AND NOT EXPEND SO MUCH IN MAILING THINGS THAT SO MANY PEOPLE NEVER SEEM TO SEE.
I THINK SOMETHING LIKE A $1,500-BUDGET WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE IN THAT CASE.
>> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, TERRY.
I WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.
>> I THINK UNTIL WE MAKE A DETERMINATION, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO TAKE IT OUT.
IF WE DON'T EXPAND IT AND WE JUST ROLL IT OR DO SOMETHING WITH IT NEXT YEAR.
BUT UNTIL YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, AND I WOULD HATE FOR US TO DECIDE ON THE OLD FASHION WAY AND THEN WE NOT HAVE MONEY FOR THE OLD FASHION ONE.
THE INCREASE I THINK IS BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING NEW HOMES ON THE GROUND.
IT USED TO BE [INAUDIBLE], SEND IT OUT TO 1,300 HOMES, AND NOW I THINK WE'RE AT WHAT? 1800 HOME.
>> THEY WERE ABOUT 2000 HOMES NOW.
>> THEY'RE ALREADY 2000 IT KEEPS GROWING. [LAUGHTER]
>> THEY WERE ABOUT 2000 HOMES NOW, [INAUDIBLE]
>> IT'S JUST I'M A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATIVE THERE, BUT WHATEVER THE GROUP WANTS TO DO.
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>> I GUESS FOR ME, BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK THERE, IF IT WENT FROM 1,300 TO 2000, SO WE'RE TALKING LIKE A 30% INCREASE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO HE DID A 30% INCREASE ON 1,500.
THAT WAS IF YOU WANT TO GET CRAZY ABOUT I DO A 50% INCREASE THAT WOULD GET IT UP TO 2,500 AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE 5,000.
THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION AND I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO ENGAGE ON THAT PROJECT, THAT I HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED.
I THINK ALSO THAT WE CAN DO SOME PRETTY COOL THINGS ON THERE WHERE PEOPLE WHO WANT IT ON A PRINTED BASIS, IF THEY ARE THEN EARNEST AND THAT THEY WANT THAT THEY CAN COME PICK A COPY UP HERE AND EVERYBODY ELSE CAN GET IT ELECTRONICALLY AND THEY WILL CUT SOME OF THAT.
[OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE] TO EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT I THINK THAT WE ALL JUST DRIVE THEN IN THAT DIRECTION AS WE GO INTO THE 2023, 2024, AND LET'S JUST MAYBE MAKE IT 2,500 IF EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THAT.
>> THAT MAKES SENSE. TERRY, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT?
>> YES, MA'AM. THAT MAKES SENSE.
>> I'M FINE WITH THAT. BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO EVEN COMMUNICATIONS FRANCHISE DEAL, THAT WAS WAY OVER BUDGETED ON THE REVENUE SIDE.
WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES, SO QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH MATERIALITY WE WANT TO DISCUSS AND THE SIZE OF THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE?
>> I THINK SOME OF THESE JUST STUCK OUT AS THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET IS OUR RESPONSE.
[LAUGHTER] IT'S OUR BUDGET AND WE WANT TO BE AS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AS POSSIBLE AND SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION OF THE ITEMS HERE.
IT'S DEFINITELY NOT MY INTENT TO MICROMANAGE THINGS.
HOWEVER, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION IN THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET AND THAT'S ON MUNICODE.
THAT BUDGET WENT UP SIGNIFICANTLY, FROM LAST YEAR?
>> PATTY, WE'RE LOOKING AT SWITCHING OVER TO THE, WHICH MAY I CALL IT?
>> FROM AMERICAN LEGAL OVER THE MUNICODE.
>> YES, I HAVEN'T HAD THAT TIME.
[LAUGHTER] WE WERE LOOKING AT SWITCHING FROM AMERICAN LEGAL OVER THE MUNICODE.
AMERICAN LEGAL, IT'S GETTING MORE COSTLY WITH THEM AND MUNICODE WAS JUST A MORE EASIER WEB-BASED FRIENDLY SERVICE FOR US.
>> WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, I BELIEVE.
>> IT'S FOR THE CODIFICATION BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING WE BOUGHT IN THE PAST, AMERICAN WHATEVER.
>> AMERICAN LEGAL, HAS DONE THE CODIFICATIONS OF ALL OF OUR CODES, WHICH ARE TO BE DONE AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR.
WE LOOKED AT MUNICODE AND THEY ARE BETTER ABLE TO DO OUR CODES AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WILL PUT THEM TOGETHER ALMOST AS WE DO NOW, AND KEEP THEM UP TO DATE FOR US AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT SCENE COST.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S OUR COURT OF ORDINANCES BOOK.
>> BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, BUT WE HAD MUNICODE BEFORE.
>> THEY'D SAID MY MUNICODE [OVERLAPPING] WILL BE ALWAYS AN AMERICAN LEGAL.
>> IT WAS ALWAYS AMERICAN LEGAL. WE WERE TRYING TO GET SWITCHED OVER LAST YEAR, BUT THEN WE CAME INTO SOME WHAT THE ORDINANCES THE CHAPTER WE'D MISSED DUE LAST YEAR.
>> CHAPTER 800 OF OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> CHAPTER 156, IT WAS ORDINANCE LABEL.
>> OF OUR CODES, AND THAT'S WHAT THROUGH ALL OF US OFF WITH THAT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE'D HAVE IT DONE WAY BEFORE THEN.
>> THAT'S FINE. [OVERLAPPING]. THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THE ORDINANCE IS DEFINITELY IMPORTANT FOR THE STAFF, AS WELL AS FOR THE RESIDENTS, THE HOMEOWNERS, SO THAT IS.
BUT I ASK THAT YOU BE JUDICIOUS AS YOU LOOK AT MAKING THE CHANGE TO THE NEW VENDOR.
>> WE'D HAD THAT CONVERSATION FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS INTERNALLY TRYING TO FIND A DIFFERENT SOURCE BECAUSE AMERICAN LEGAL, IT JUST SEEMED WE WERE HAVING ISSUES AFTER ISSUES MUNICODE WHERE AT LEAST IT ALSO GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT OTHER CITIES IN A QUICK DATABASE.
WE CAN TYPE IN KEYWORDS AND WE COULD PULL UP THEIR ORDINANCES REAL QUICK AND PULL EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAD WITH THAT ON THERE.
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IT ACTUALLY MAKES US MORE EFFICIENT, ALSO TRYING TO GET ALL THAT STUFF.IF I JUST USE GOLF CARTS, I'M JUST GOING TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
WE PULL ANYONE THAT USES MUNICODE AND SAY TEXAS, WHICH IS A LOT OF CITIES, WE CAN PULL IT IN ONE OF THEIR GOLF CART ORDINANCES AND APPLY IT, LOOK AT IT, AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND GO FROM THERE.
THAT WAS JUST MAKING IT EASIER FOR US.
>> OKAY. WE'RE GOING INTO [INAUDIBLE].
>> WELL, MUNICODE WAS ACTUALLY BOUGHT OUT BY CIVICPLUS.
CIVICPLUS NOW OWNS MUNICODE AND WE USE OUR GENDER SOFTWARE'S MUNICODE [OVERLAPPING] ALSO.
>> I KNEW I HAD SEEN THAT IT WAS SOMEWHERE.
>> I HAVE ANOTHER TOPIC TO DISCUSS.
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE BOND AND BASICALLY THE STORAGE TANK BOND, FUND CALLED FUND 62.
IS THE UTILITY CONSTRUCTION FUND FUND 62 IS MY IMPRESSION THAT THIS IS A, THE FUND THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PUMP STATION, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> CORRECT. YES, SO THAT'LL BE THE UTILITY RELATED PROJECTS.
I LOOK ON THE BALANCE SHEET AND WE EXPECT TO HAVE, LET'S SAY, A TOTAL ESTIMATED BALANCE AS OF THE SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024, $274,887, RIGHT?
>> THEN CAN THAT FUND BE USED TO CONSTRUCT A WATER DEPARTMENT BUILDING?
>> YES. THAT'LL BE OUR INTERPRETATION, IS THOSE DOLLARS COULD BE USEFUL I GUESS.
>> OKAY. THEN, IF WE NEEDED MORE MONEY THAN THAT, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO FUND THE REMAINING AMOUNT NEEDED TO BUILD A WATER DEPARTMENT BUILDING OUT OF FUND 03 BUDGET APARTMENTS?
>> FROM BALANCE? YES. FROM BALANCE COULD BE USED TOWARDS THAT.
>> THOUGH, WE HAVE SOME COVID MONEY THAT COULD ALSO BE USED FOR THAT?
>> NO, THE COVID MONEY CANNOT BE USED FOR WATER LINE.
>> THERE WAS ONLY LIKE CERTAIN THINGS.
IT WAS HELPING BUSINESSES OUT.
BROADBAND, WATER LINES, AND ONE OTHER THING, SALARY INCREASES, SO ONETIME SALARY ADJUSTMENTS AND WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.
WATER LINES IS BASICALLY WHAT WE THE ONLY THING WE REALLY QUALIFY FOR IT WITHIN THAT PROGRAM.
>> THEN ALSO, IF WE WANT TO JUST HAVE A TOTAL ALLOCATION OF FUNDS EARMARKED OR ALLOCATED TOWARDS A WATER DEPARTMENT BUILDING PROJECT, IN THE VALUE OF $800,000, WOULD WE NEED TO MAKE ANY SEPARATE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE WAY THE BUDGET IS DESIGNED?
>> YES, MA'AM. IF WE'RE GOING TO TRANSFER 800,000 FROM THE WATER FUND TO THE UTILITY CONSTRUCTION FUND.
>> IT WOULD BE A TOTAL, SO THAT IF THE PROJECT BUDGET WAS 800,000, THEN WE HAVE A BALANCE OF 27,487.
THE DELTA OF THOSE NUMBERS IS THE ONE WHAT WE WOULD BUDGET TO TRANSFER?
>> CORRECT, YES, AND THAT WE NEED TO BE BUDGETED ON PAGE 28, UNDER TRANSFERS, WE WILL NEED TO DO A TRANSFER TO UTILITY CONSTRUCTION FUND AT AVALON, NOT ON THERE.
IT PUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, AND THEN ON PAGE 43, WE WOULD NEED TO BUDGET REVENUES FROM TRANSFERS FROM [INAUDIBLE].
>> I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE DO THAT AS A CHANGE TO THE BUDGET AND HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.
>> GOOD ACTION. I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBERS IN THAT FUND, THE EXPENDITURES THAT ARE REFLECTED AS FOR FISCAL YEAR '23, '24, ARE THOSE SPECIFIC [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO. WE HAVE SECURITIES IN HERE.
JAMES FOR MIT TO GET WITH HIM ON THAT.
WE'VE ALREADY RELEASED THE RETAINAGE, WE'VE ALREADY MADE ALL THE PAYMENTS, BUT THERE'S A CONNECTION FEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY WHATEVER WE GET FROM WATER CONTRACT.
WHATEVER THAT CONNECTION FEE IS GOING TO BE BALLPARK, IT LOSES IT MAYBE $100,000 FOR CONNECTION OR SOMETHING.
>> ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY-FIVE.
>> IT'S GOING TO TAKE ABOUT 30-45 DAYS TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
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BUT DON'T HOLD ME ON THAT NUMBER.I'LL TEXT TO GARY TO COME IN HERE.
>> RIGHT NOW THERE'S SOME [OVERLAPPING] OTHER NUMBER, 90,000 CHARGES, BUT YOU.
>> WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION AT SOME POINT WELL, WILL HAVE TO WITH OUR CONTRACTOR TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
WHO WOULD WE BE PAYING THE MONEY TO? MORE TAXES?
>> NO, OUR CONTRACTOR WHEREVER WE HIRE.
WE STILL HAVE THE WAS GREAT KHAN.
THE GREAT KHAN. WE'VE PAID GREAT KHAN THAT AMOUNT.
OR WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER COMPANY COMES OUT AND MAKE THAT CONNECTION FOR US.
[OVERLAPPING] WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS THE HOLDOUT, THAT WE DID NOT PAY THEM, SO THAT WOULD BE LEFTOVER FUNDS WITHIN THAT FUND 62 I THINK.
>> RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 190,000 BUDGETED FOR THAT CONNECTION AND MIGHT BE A LITTLE EXCESSIVE.
>> RIGHT. TO ANSWER AMANDA'S QUESTION AND YES, WE COULD DO THAT.
WHAT I WOULD PROBABLY PREFER TO DO WOULD BE TO DO THAT AS A SUPPLEMENTAL AND CREATE A SUPPLEMENTAL SHOWING THAT AS A STAND ALONE.
I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PUT THAT TOGETHER, BUT THAT'S HOW HOT THE DEPARTMENT IF I MAY ASK JUST TO TO GIVE MORE INFORMATION FOR SUCH A LARGE EXPENSE LIKE THAT.
>> THAT COULD BE DONE AFTER THE BUDGET?
>> YES, MA'AM. WE COULD DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THAT AT ANYTIME.
IF WE WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL ACTUAL COSTS WERE DETERMINED, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO COUNCIL AS A BUDGET AMENDMENT AND ALLOW ME PRESENT AT THAT TIME.
>> NOW, YOU CAN ALWAYS BID IT OUT, GET THE COST, AND THEN DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS AT THAT POINT.
>> THAT MIGHT BE THE BETTER WAY TO DO IT.
>> I LIKED THAT IDEA AND THEN I WOULD PROPOSE CAN WE MAKE SURE WE DOCUMENT THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
>> THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW WE DO IT.
>> [NOISE] WELL, WE'LL GET THAT BUILDING PROJECT MOVING FORWARD AND START GETTING THOSE FUNDS OR START LOOKING AT THE ENGINEERING AND ALL THAT WITH IT, AND START GETTING THOSE NUMBERS PULLED TOGETHER, AT LEAST THE ENGINEERING COST.
IT WILL HAVE TO GET THE BID DOCUMENTS DRAWN UP FOR THAT. THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S FINE. THEN THAT WAY IT'LL MAKE MORE SENSE BECAUSE WHEN WE DO THE AMENDMENT UP TO THIS MORE CONCRETE.
>> YEAH, ONCE WE GO OUT FOR BID, WILL HAVE A NUMBER AT THAT POINT.
THEN WE CAN CANCEL FOR THAT CONTRACT AT THE [INAUDIBLE] BEGINNING OR MAKE MODIFICATIONS, AND THEN [INAUDIBLE].
>> ALSO, WE WOULD HOPEFULLY BY THAT TIME, THE WATER CONNECTION WOULD BE MADE IN THAT NUMBER.
IT'D BE A MORE CONCRETE NUMBER AS WELL.
THE LOBBY OF ADDITIONAL SAVINGS SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO TRANSFER AS MUCH.
>> OKAY. I GUESS THE NEXT FUN TODAY I'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT IS THE STREET CONSTRUCTION FUNDS.
I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT, IS THERE ANY MONEY SHOWN AS ANY UNEARNED REVENUE AND FUND 61 CURRENTLY?
>> YES, WE DO HAVE ANNUAL REVENUE.
AS FAR AS FUND BALANCE GOES, THAT FUND BALANCE, IT TAKES THE UNEARNED REVENUE INTO CONSIDERATION ALREADY.
UNEARNED REVENUE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE ALL THAT WE HAVE.
THAT THIS IS PURELY SOMETHING THAT GOES ON THE AUDIT, THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, AND THIS IS SHOWING MONEY THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THAT WE HAVE NOT ACTUALLY DESIGNATED.
IT'S ELON WITH A CONTRACT WITH COLLIN COUNTY IN TEXAS, SO IT'S THREE WAY PROJECT THAT WE HAVE.
>> THANK YOU. WHAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE IS THAT WE ADD ANOTHER $400,000 TO THE FUND, NUMBER 61 STREET CONSTRUCTION FUND FROM THE EXCESS THAT WE SHOW ON THE FRONT PAGE, THE 556.
>> NET CHANGE IN FUND BALANCE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORNER OF THE FRONT PAGE.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT APPEARS THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME EXCESS MONEY AVAILABLE TO ALLOCATE AND WHEN I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE IS THAT WE ALLOCATE 400,000 OF THAT TOWARDS THE STREET CONSTRUCTION FUNDS.
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>> I LIKE THE IDEA, BUT I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE BUDGET BEFORE WE START ALLOCATING THE EXCESS.
>> YEAH, PLEASE. WE GOT A LOTS OF SOMETHING HERE.
>> SORRY, WE'RE NOT GOING IN ORDER, SO [LAUGHTER] I JUST THREW THAT OUT THERE.
BUT THANK YOU THOUGH FOR RAISING THAT QUESTION.
>> I HAD A QUESTION. I'M PLEASED, WHICH IS PAGE 11, PLEASE.
HERE, WE'RE BASICALLY BUDGETING CLOSER TO WHAT IT WAS, I GUESS A PREVIOUS YEAR.
AND WE MUST BE DOWN IN POSITION THAT BECAUSE WE'RE RUNNING LOW FROM WHAT WE ESTIMATED FOR THIS YEAR.
FIRST QUESTION, I GUESS WAS, IF YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT POLICE CHIEF IS IN HERE, BUT WHAT WAS THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF OPEN POSITIONS THIS YEAR? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FOUR.
FOR MOST OF THE YEAR, WE HAD 2-3 POSITIONS OVER MOST OF THE YEAR AND THEN NOW WE HAVE FOUR VACANCIES RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S OF A TOTAL OF WOULD BE WHAT? WELL, 12 WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, 11 OR SO.
BASICALLY A THIRD OF OUR GROUP WE'RE MISSING AT THE POINT? YES, SIR.
IS THAT THEN AN AVERAGE YOU SAID IT WAS AROUND TWO DURING THE YEAR? FOR MOST OF THE YEAR, WE HAD TWO VACANCIES.
PROBABLY LAST YEAR, I THINK WE ADD TWO VACANCIES FOR A LOT OF THE YEAR.
IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE WE'VE HAD A FULL STAFF.
DO WE KEEP RECORDS OF TURNOVER? DO YOU KNOW WHAT OUR TURNOVER RATE IS WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? I DON'T HAVE THOSE.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW WITH IT, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT INFORMATION, YES.
STATUS-WISE, IF WE HAVE FOUR POSITIONS OPENING, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE STATUSES OF FILLING THOSE FOUR POSITIONS BEING DO WE HAVE CERTAIN CANDIDATES THAT WE'RE CLOSE TO LOOKING AT OR WE'VE GOT NOBODY? I KNOW THAT THE JOBS ARE POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE AND TO EMAIL AND WE CONSISTENTLY RENEW THOSE LISTINGS.
I'M NOT SURE. WE DON'T GET A LOT OF APPLICANTS.
WE'VE RECEIVED MORE APPLICANTS IN THE LAST, PROBABLY MONTH THAN WE'VE IN THE LAST FEW YEAR COMBINED, SO THAT'S BEEN A REAL CHALLENGE IS JUST HAVING PEOPLE APPLY.
I KNOW THAT THE FIRST TIME AN APPLICATION COMES IN, IT GOES THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY REVIEW IT TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT THEY CAN TAKE TO THE NEXT LEVEL, AND SO FAR, WE'VE HAD VERY FEW TO MAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL, JUST BASED ON I GUESS THEIR ART. YEAH.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE BUDGETING BASICALLY FOR A FULL POLICE DEPARTMENT THOUGH.
YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE BUDGETING FOR A FULL POLICE DEPARTMENT? THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A THIRD OPEN RIGHT NOW.
I HOPE SO, AND REASON I SAY I HOPE SO IS BECAUSE WE JUST RECENTLY RAISED THE MINIMUM STARTING SALARY, AND HOPEFULLY IN THIS NEXT YEAR, WE CAN FIND WAYS TO IMPROVE.
I KNOW THE THIRD HURTING OVER THERE WITH SO MANY OFFICERS BEING GONE.
WHEN I TALK TO CHIEF PRICE, I GUESS IT WAS IN THE LAST WEEK SOMETIME, HE HAD FOUR APPLICANTS, IS FIRST-TIME HE'S HAD THAT MANY.
NOW, THAT'S JUST THE APPLICATIONS COME IN AND HE'S JUST STARTING THE PROCESS SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WILL END UP. YOU NEVER KNOW WE HAVE THOSE POSITIONS.
THE COUNCIL HAS AUTHORIZED THOSE POSITIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THOSE POSITIONS BASED ON THE AUTHORIZATION OF THOSE POSITIONS.
WE CAN'T ASSUME THAT BUDGET FOR 10 WHEN WE'RE AUTHORIZED FOR 11, SO WE'D HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THE FULL AMOUNT FOR THAT.
I WOULD SAY IF WE WERE A LARGER CITY AND HAD MORE POSITIONS WITH A CERTAIN BUDGET IN ATTRITION INTO A BUDGET, BUT WE ONLY HAVE 12 POSITIONS ON THE BUDGET.
IF WE BUDGET IN ATTRITION AT ALL, THEN THEY WOULD MORE LIKELY IF WE FILLED THE POSITION IF YOU WRITE IN YOUR BUDGET MEANT THEN THEY'RE HAVING TO FIGHT FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY AUTHORIZED, SO YEAH, I WOULD BE NERVOUS ABOUT THAT.
I UNDERSTAND. BUT IN NO WAY I ASKED FOUR OPEN POSITIONS.
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YEAR STARTS OCTOBER.YOU'D HAVE TO FILL ALL FOUR BY OCTOBER TO HIT THE BUDGET. [OVERLAPPING] I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE PUTTING SOME PEOPLE TO THE ACADEMY, SO WE'LL HAVE TO PUT A MINIMUM PAYMENT, PAY THEM A MINIMAL PAYMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT, ALSO WHILE GOING TO THE ACADEMY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
TO BE HONEST, I THINK THE WAY IF YOU GO LOOK AT THAT FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT, BECAUSE I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS FAR AS THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THOSE POSITIONS FILLED, BUT WE'RE BUDGETING FOR IT.
I THINK SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE BETTER WOULD BE TO LOOK AT THIS TIME NEXT YEAR OR MAYBE JULY OF NEXT YEAR.
IF WE SEE THAT WE HAVE POSITIONS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FILLED AND WE SEE MAYBE THERE'S A NEED IN THE CITY, THEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF THEIR SALARY SAVINGS TO FUND THAT NEED AT THAT TIME, OR TO EVEN REDUCE THE BUDGET AT THAT TIME OR SOMETHING.
BUT I THINK WE START THE YEAR FULLY FUNDED AND THEN LOOK AT IT AS THE YEAR GOES ON.
JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION, SO YOU WOULD SUGGEST THAT MAYBE WE WAIT SIX MONTHS UNTIL WE LOOKED AT SOME TYPE OF AMENDMENTS OF THE BUDGET. [OVERLAPPING] POSSIBLY.
WHAT IF WE DIDN'T? [OVERLAPPING] POSSIBLY. WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF NEEDS.
WE KNOW THAT WE NEED RADIOS, THAT WE NEED OTHER ITEMS, AND SO ON, AND WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO BE ABLE TO FUND THOSE, AND SO NEXT YEAR IF WE'RE SIX MONTHS OVER BUDGET AND THEY HAD A LOT OF VACANCIES, A LOT OF SALARY SAVINGS, MAYBE WE LOOK AT USING THOSE DOLLARS TO FIND SOME OF THOSE RADIOS.
ONE OTHER THING, BUT SORRY. [OVERLAPPING] NO. GO AHEAD. [OVERLAPPING] THIS IS JUST BEING PICKY BUT IT CAUGHT MY EYE AS I SAW THAT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE OVERALL BUDGET FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY PART OF THE POLICE FORCE, THEY'D BE LIKE 6,500 VERSUS 2,400, AND ONE OF THE MAIN LINE ITEMS WAS A AMMUNITION.
I WAS THINKING THAT AMMUNITION, I'M PRETTY WELL VERSED IN THIS, [LAUGHTER] AMMUNITION HAS GONE DOWN QUITE A BIT IN THE LAST SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS, SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS.
WELL, SO I THINK PROBABLY YOU JUSTIFY IT BY SAYING THAT WE'VE GOT FOUR OPEN POSITIONS, AND ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS FOUR NEW RECRUITS THAT WERE GOING TO TAKE THEM A WHILE TO GET CAUGHT UP EVERY ONCE A MONTH, GO THROUGH MORE AMMUNITION THAN PREVIOUSLY USED.
THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET THE QUALIFICATIONS. [OVERLAPPING] YOU HAVE TO QUALIFY. [OVERLAPPING] YOU HAVE TO GET THEM INTO QUALIFICATIONS.
I WAS JUST ASKING BECAUSE I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM A P AND L STANDPOINT.
I WAS LOOKING AT OKAY [OVERLAPPING].
IN THOSE SAME LINES, THE REPLACEMENT VESTS, WE HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND BUDGET SINCE WE HAVE FOUR VACANCIES, ABOUT FOUR NEW ONES FOR THAT, THEN UNIFORMS ABOUT THREE OR FOUR. [OVERLAPPING] FAIR ENOUGH. I JUST HAD A QUESTION.
I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT IT IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
THAT LOOKING AT THE MOST RECENT FINANCIALS, I THINK WE STILL SPENT ZERO IN PUBLIC SAFETY ON POLICE, SO THE QUESTION IS, I LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, WELL, POLICE IS RANGE FEES AND AMMUNITION, AND I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT CHEAP PRICE OR THE EIGHT OR SO PEOPLE THAT WE'VE GOT IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DON'T GO TO A RANGE AND PRACTICE, SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN SQUARES THOSE COSTS SHOWING UP.
I CAN'T ANSWER THAT BUT I WILL SAY I KNOW WHEN HE BUYS AMMUNITION IN BULK.
WHEN HE BUYS AMMUNITION, THERE VERY WELL COULD BE THAT HE ENDED UP BEING IN A POSITION TO BACKED UP ALREADY THAT HE COULD USE AS A BUYERS AS A REPLACEMENT.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE THREE RANGES BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO GO TO TOWN.
[LAUGHTER] WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH TEXAS LEGENDS FOR A VERY DISCOUNTED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE ACTUALLY SENT US THE BILL THIS DAYS AGO.
WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
I DON'T KNOW. [OVERLAPPING] I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE AGREEMENT WAS.
[OVERLAPPING] WE HAVE THE AGREEMENT WITHOUT THE CONTRACT? YOU CAN GO SHOOTING IF YOU WANT TO.
[LAUGHTER] BUT THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO ASK BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A SEPARATE LINE ITEM, BUT I KNOW THAT TODD GIVE SO WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT GRANT, BUT THAT WAS IN A SEPARATE THING, LIKE A COMPETITION. [OVERLAPPING] THE TOP COP.
I THINK THERE WERE SOME AMMUNITION AND SO FORTH WITH THAT ALSO, SO OKAY.
I DON'T THINK THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AS YET.
IF THEY ACTUALLY GET STARTED ON THEIR RESERVE PROGRAM, IS THERE FUNDING FOR WHATEVER NEEDS THERE MAY BE FROM RESERVES? I DON'T KNOW.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S OPTIMIZED FOR RESERVE PROGRAM.
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HOWEVER, THAT COULD BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS DISFUNDED DEPENDING ON IF IT'S RECURRING COSTS OR IF IT'S A ONETIME COST TO BUY UNIFORMS AND WHATEVER THEY MIGHT NEED TO OUTFIT THEM.YOU CAN CERTAINLY USE SALARY SAVINGS OR SOME COST SAVINGS IN THE YEAR TO BE ABLE TO BUY THEIR STUFF BUT AS FAR AS NEXT YEAR, NOTHING SPECIFIC FOR OUR RESERVE PROGRAM.
I KNOW THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. I THINK IT WAS THAT LAST YEAR IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST THAT WE DIDN'T GET FUNDED LAST YEAR.
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD USE THE SALARY ALLOCATION TO INSTEAD PAY FOR THE RESERVE PROGRAM TRAINING AND THAT'S OKAY TO DO THAT WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE FUND? SURE.
A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN THE NON DEPARTMENT CATEGORY, PAGE 21.
IT SERVICES, THE DESCRIPTION, THE BREAKOUT HERE, ACTUAL PAYMENT IS IT POSSIBLE. BUT LOOKING AT THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT I HAVE [INAUDIBLE] COMPARED THE 91,000 THAT'S BUDGETED THIS YEAR, I'M CONCERNED IS A BIT HIGH.
>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AUTOMIZED ATOMS THERE, SOME OF THE INCREASE IN COST IS THE WEBSITE REDESIGN.
THAT IS PART OF THE INCREASE OF THE COST THERE.
THE OTHER ONES, THE COSTS ARE PRETTY MUCH AS AUTOMIZED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE IT MAINTENANCE.
THE IT MAINTENANCE IS ONE OF THOSE THAT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A GOOD NUMBER IN THERE JUST BECAUSE WE FIX THINGS AS AN APPROACH WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD PROGRAM OF I GUESS A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE REGULARLY REPLACING COMPUTERS, WE'RE DOING REGULAR MAINTENANCE I THINK SO.
WHEN THINGS WERE BROKE, WE CALL OUR IT GUY CAUSE ITS HIS CONTRACT AND THEN HE SENDS US A FUEL.
WE HAVEN'T BOUGHT NEW COMPUTERS IN ABOUT FIVE YEARS AND SO AS FAR AS HIM COMING AND INSTALL COMPUTERS AND UPDATING THEM AND ALL THAT, WE HAVE A HEAVY USE IN FIVE YEARS FOR THAT.
THERE'S SOME POINT WHEN THESE COMPUTERS START GOING DOWN THAT CAUSES SKY ROCKETING.
>> AS I LOOK AT THE TRANSACTIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING LIKE ON PROOF POINT ESSENTIALS, REMOTE MONITORING, BACKUP, STORAGE, AND TREND MICRO.
YOU SAY THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH WHAT'S BEING PAID.
>> WHEN WE PAY THOSE WE PAY THOSE PAY THROUGH OUR IT PERSON.
HIS COMPANY BUYS HIM STUFF AND THEN WE PAY HIM FOR THOSE LICENSE.
>> WE CAN BUY THE LICENSE OR WE GO THROUGH HIM TO BUY THE LICENSES.
THESE ARE TO HAVE HIM GO OUT AND GET ALL THAT STUFF FOR US THAN ME SIT THERE, GRANTS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND.
>> IT'S LIKE HILTON ITEMIZED BILL EACH MONTH WITH THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THOSE.
>> DESCRIPTION WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THE PAYMENTS SO THAT THOSE ARE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED, BUT NOW WITH RESPECT TO THE REDESIGN OF THE WEBSITE THE $16,000 IS THAT THE PREMIER?
>> THAT'S THE TOP OF THE LINE.
THAT'S WHY WE PUT THAT IN THERE.
TOP OF THE LINE OUT THE DOOR COST.
THAT WAS THE MOST RECENT ONE WE GOT PRICE UPDATE FROM.
IS THAT THE NUMBER I GAVE YOU?
>> WHAT IS THE CONTRACT WEBSITE FOR?
>> ITS ANNUAL RECURRING CONTRACT.
ALL WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS JUST PAYING FOR MAINTENANCE FEE ON THAT.
>> WELL, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A DECISION HAS BEEN MADE ON CIVIC PLUS.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT'S GOING ON THERE BECAUSE THE WEBSITE COMMITTEE HAS NOT MET.
>> IT WAS A WHILE AGO, BUT WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY DECISIONS.
WE'RE PUTTING NUMBERS IN THEIR TOP OF THE LINE.
JUST IN CASE THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE WANTS.
IT THERE'S THREE TIERS YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER TIER YOU WANT.
WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT OURSELVES COVERED TO THE TOP OF THE LINE.
>> WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH ELIMINATED OTHER COMPANIES,.
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>> WHATEVER ONES THAT WOULD GIVE US BIDS WE WERE ABLE TO WEED OUT COMPANIES BASED ON THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE WANTING.
LET'S JUST SAY IT WAS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE THAN THIS
>> THERE WAS A SHORTLIST IS WHERE YOU'RE SAYING OF BOTH FOLKS THAT WERE IN THE RANGE THAT YOU DO WHAT WE NEEDED THE SCOPE.
>> BECAUSE WE STARTED CALLING AROUND AND THAT NUMBER IS STARTED GETTING REAL HIGH REAL QUICK BECAUSE YOU'RE PAYING FOR EACH LITTLE MODULE.
YOU ADDED THIS LITTLE MODULE THAT WAS ANOTHER $2,000.
IT WAS THIS MODULE THERE'S ANOTHER COUPLE OF THOUSAND.
ROBIN AND LORIE WERE WORKING ON THAT.
>> SOME OF THE MODULES, BECAUSE YOU HAD ALSO BOUGHT THE WEBMASTER.
>> BUT WITH CIVIC PLUS OWNING MANY CURVE NOW AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT DOES GIVE US SOME LEVERAGE.
>> WELL, ALL OF OUR STUFF IS GOING TO START SINKING TOGETHER NOW, SO IT STARTS ADDING TOGETHER.
IT WILL BE A COMMITTEE DECISION.
THEY'RE READY TO PRESENT THAT, JUST GETTING THE TIME THOUGH.
>> WHAT'S THE RANGE? SIXTEEN WAS THE OTHER PREMIER.
>> DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS. I WANTED TO SAY NINE OR 10 WAS THE LOW END.
>> WE MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT EXCESS IN THAT
>> THEY DID CUT IT DOWN QUITE A BIT.
THEY GAVE US A BIG BREAK FROM THAT ORIGINAL QUOTA.
IT WAS ABOUT $1,000 TO THAT PREMIER.
>> HAS CIVIC PLUS BEEN BOUGHT BY A POWER TECHNOLOGY? SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
CIVIC PLUS IS OUT BUYING OTHER COMPANIES NOW.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHY IT WAS SOLD AT GRANICUS AT ONE POINT AND UNTIL WE GOT TURNED OVER TO COLLECTIONS BECAUSE THERE NO ONE EVER SENT US A BILL FROM THE THREE TIMES IT'S SOLD BETWEEN [LAUGHTER] SWAGGY AND THAT.
WE'RE LIKE, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU'VE GOT SOLD.
>> ANOTHER QUESTION IN THE NON DEPARTMENT.
THE UNDER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WORKER'S COMP, AND LIABILITY INSURANCE.
WE'VE GOT 150,000 BUDGETED FOR THAT.
I SAW PAYMENTS TO THE EXTENT OF 115,000 LAST YEAR.
ARE WE ANTICIPATING THAT MUCH OF AN INCREASE?
>> PROBABLY EVERY TWO YEARS, YES.
WORKMAN'S COMP AND THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE IT'S GOING TO GO UP BECAUSE ABOUT EVERY TWO YEARS THEY DO AN ANNUAL WORKMAN'S COMP AUDIT AND ABOUT EVERY TWO YEARS SALARY ADJUSTMENTS MADE IT.
IT'S A PLAY YOU'D LIKE KETCHUP FROM YEAR THAT WAS AUDITED AND THEN THE ADJUSTMENT FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR AT THE SAME TIME.
THIS IS A TWO-YEAR MARK, SO ANTICIPATING AN ADJUSTMENT FOR A TWO-YEAR PERIOD.
WHEREVER THEY DO THE AUDIT, WHATEVER SHORT POWER SHORTLY WORK FOR THAT YEAR, WE HAVE TO PAY THAT AT THAT TIME PLUS THAT ADJUSTMENT FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
>> IT SHOULDN'T BE AUDIT PROBABLY COME IN UNDER.
IT'S TYPICALLY ON WORKER'S COMP, YOU CAN HAVE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
YOU TELL HIM WHAT YOUR FULL YEAR NUMBER IS GOING TO BE ON COMPENSATION GIVEN LIKE POLICE PULL OVER DOWN AND X AMOUNT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT WE TOLD THEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT MORE IN COMPENSATION THAN WHAT WE ACTUALLY DID.
>> USUALLY SALARY THAT IS TRUE, BUT THEN RAISES WERE NEVER BUILT INTO IT.
THE RAISES ARE NEVER TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION ON THE ORIGINAL NUMBERS THAT GET.
THEN ANY RAISE THAT ARE GIVEN TO PAY WORKMAN'S COMP ON THAT AND OVERTIME AND STUFF LIKE THAT ON THE ACTUALS.
>> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE ACTUAL BASE FOR THE WORKER'S COMP CHANGES, IT INCREASES AS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IF YOU'D HAD ABOUT, LET'S JUST USE A 5% INCREASE OVERALL SALARY THEN THAT WORKER'S COMP THAT IS HERE; 70,000, IT WOULD BE 3,500 MORE THAN THAT.
>> I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS ON, NOW THAT MR. MATATA IS IN THE ROOM [LAUGHTER] ON A KIND OF ON THE REVENUES AND PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING OPERATIONS.
>> BEFORE WE LEAVE THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IF I COULD I ASK, YOU'VE GOT SWAG IT DOWN HERE.
DOES THAT COVER ALL OF OUR MEETINGS? TELL ME WHAT THAT ACTUALLY COVERS.
>> THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO COVER OUR PLANNING AND ZONING IN OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
>> PLANNING AND ZONING IN CITY COUNCIL. WHAT ABOUT CVA?
>> I THINK WE'VE HAD ONE CVA MEETING.
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I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH TO COVER THAT WORKSHOP.I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE-CHECK THAT, BUT WE HAVE ENOUGH TO COVER.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT WAS ENOUGH TO COVER CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING, ALL CITY COUNCIL AND ALL THE PLANNING ZONING.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE ACTUAL NUMBERS AGAIN.
>> OUR RESIDENTS REALLY ENJOY BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT WORKSHOPS.
IF WE HAD A CVA MEETING THAT'S ONE AREA WHERE I DON'T WANT TO CUT IT SHORT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO OH, WE'VE GOT THREE MORE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND LISTEN, WE DON'T GET ACCOUNT FOR IT.
>> CAN I ASK YOU AN ODD QUESTION ON THAT LOOP? JUST LET'S SAY, I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY WEIRD THAT WE WOULD EVER HAVE ANY SPECIAL MEETINGS OR ANYTHING ELSE WHERE YOU'RE GOING ON.
CAN YOU CHECK ON THAT NUMBER AND SEE HOW MUCH BANDWIDTH WE HAVE THERE? I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE IS THAT IF YOU GO OVER IS THERE A CHARGE THAT IS SET ON THE EXISTING 28K THAT WE HAVE DIVIDED BY THAT? YOU WOULD ADD INCREMENTALLY, OR DO THEY COME IN AND GIVE YOU A BIG ESSAY?
>> THERE'S PACKAGES. I THINK IT COMES IN, I WANT TO SAY 20 MEETING PACKAGES.
IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, I THINK IT WAS 20 MINUTES.
I'M TRYING TO PULL IT UP REAL QUICK HERE TO FIND IT REAL QUICK.
>> IF IT IS THEN AND IT IS 40, I THINK THAT 40 IS PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER, BUT 32 IN MY MIND. [OVERLAPPING].
>> NO. I WANT TO SAY IT'S 40, 50 RANGE.
DON'T QUOTE ME ON IT YET UNTIL I FIND IT.
>> THAT'S FINE. I WAS JUST UNEDUCATED INTO THE SYSTEM.
I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE BRACKETS WERE, WHETHER IT WAS A ONE MEETING THAT YOU COULD ADD OFF OR WHETHER THEY'RE BRACKETS OR WHAT COULD BE A ONE.
I'M JUST CURIOUS THING TO CHECK.
>> IT'S JUST AN IMPORTANT THING TO OUR RESIDENTS.
>> [LAUGHTER] LET ME START WITH PROBABLY THE EASIER ONE ON BUILDING PERMITS.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT BUILDING SLOWING DOWN NEXT YEAR.
HOWEVER, MY QUESTION IS, WE JUST CLOSED ON WHITE STONE.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING CLOSING CURRENTLY ON PARKER RANCH.
SO THAT PEOPLE CAN START BUILDING ON THOSE LOTS.
ARE WE NOT ANTICIPATING THAT WE'LL HAVE A.
>> ANOTHER YEAR LIKE WE'VE BEEN HAVING.
>> WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT, BUT WE WANT TO ALSO TEMPER THAT WITH THE MARK IS COOLING OFF.
SO I THINK WE'D BE A LITTLE CARELESS TO ASSUME THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER REALLY GOOD YEAR LIKE WE'VE HAD.
>> YEAH. IN WHITE STONE, WE'VE HAD THE PHASE BEFORE THIS ONE.
I JUST WENT IN. ALL THOSE LOCKS WERE SOLD WITHIN 48 HOURS.
THESE AREN'T GOING [OVERLAPPING]
>> SO THAT REALLY, WE WANTED TO TEMPER THAT A LITTLE BIT.
>> IF THAT HELPS YOU [OVERLAPPING] DECIDE THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO BE CAUTIOUS.
>> OKAY. WHAT IS, ON AVERAGE BUILDING PERMIT FOR A NEW HOME RUNS ABOUT, NOT INCLUDING THE UTILITY IMPACT FEE?
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT AVERAGE IS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> OKAY. I WAS JUST TRYING TO GIVE SOME STUFF IN MY HEAD.
SO NOW THE OTHER QUESTION RELATES TO NEW DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING FEES AND ENGINEERING COST, IN THE EXPENSE SIDE IN BUILDING OPERATIONS, PAGE 19.
AND I SEE THAT THE PLANNING FEES ARE ONLY ANTICIPATING A CLOSE OF ONE DEVELOPMENT NEXT YEAR.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A NEW LEGISLATION THAT'S AFFECTING HOW Y'ALL CALCULATE THAT.
DO YOU FEEL THAT NUMBER IT'S CONSERVATIVE, BUT IT'S NOT SO LOW THAT IT'S [LAUGHTER].
>> FOR THE TIME BEING, I WOULD SAY LET'S LEAVE IT THERE UNTIL WE'RE ACTUALLY MEETING THURSDAY WITH JOHN, AMY, MYSELF, GARY ARE MEETING WITH JOHN ON THURSDAY TO GO OVER OPTIONS FOR THAT.
TO LOOK AT THOSE COST NUMBERS.
WE'VE TALKED TO HIM NUMEROUS CITIES AROUND HERE AND THEN THE METRO PLEX IN DOWN SOUTH.
A LOT OF THEM ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS BILL IS TRYING TO CHARGE, WHAT WE HAVE TO CHARGE AND HOW WE CAN CHARGE IT.
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SO WE'RE GOING TO SIT DOWN WITH JOHN.HE'S GOT THE LAST 2,3 YEARS OR LAST 10 PLOTS WE'VE DONE TO GET THE AVERAGE.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO START NARROWING THAT DOWN.
WE'RE HOPING KNOCK ON WOOD HAVE SOMETHING HOPEFULLY BY SEPTEMBER 5TH THEY CANCEL, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON IT TO SEE IF YOU CAN GET THAT DONE BY THEN.
>> OKAY. [OVERLAPPING] JUST IN CASE EVERYBODY DOESN'T ALREADY KNOW, BUT WE CAN NO LONGER CHARGE AS OF SEPTEMBER 1 A PERCENTAGE OF CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE'RE HAVING TO FIGURE OUT WITH ASSISTANCE OF OUR THIRD PARTY ENGINEER, HOW WE CAN DO THAT AND BREAK IT DOWN IN THE PROCESS.
>> AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FEE IS ANTICIPATED TO COVER IS OUR ENGINEERS COST.
AND I SEE YOU'VE GOT $75,000 IN ENGINEERING COST IN THE PUBLIC IN BUILDING OPERATIONS.
PAGE 19, WHICH SEEMS PRETTY DEEP.
I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT MAYBE THAT'S HIGH.
ALTHOUGH AS WE LOOK AT THIS, THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS NEW BILL, ARE WE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE FEES AND MAYBE DO AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT OUR ENGINEERING COSTS HAVE BEEN ON SOME OF THESE THINGS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE IN FACT GOING TO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE CAN PASS THE ENGINEERING COSTS ON.
I DO KNOW WITH KING'S CROSSING PHASE 6, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A FULL LOAMER ON THAT LAST FOR THE WHOLE DRAINAGE OF MUDDY CREEK.
SO THAT IS GOING TO BE VERY COSTLY FOR US TO REVIEW THAT WHOLE LOAMER.
SO I WOULD ASSUME HAVING JOE LOOK AT THAT, THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY COSTLY.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BE PASSING THAT COST DIRECTLY BACK ONTO THEM?
>> IT'S COULD BE PASSED THROUGH.
>> SO THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE COSTS ACTUALLY INCUR IN ONE YEAR.
IT MIGHT BE THE NEXT YEAR BEFORE WE GET.
>> YEAH. FROM NOW ON IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PERCENTAGE.
BASICALLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE AT THIS POINT MOVING FORWARD.
>> SO HOPEFULLY COVERING OUR COST.
>> YEAH. [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING].
>> YEAH. IT'S GOING TO BE COVERING THE WHOLE COST.
>> IT'S GOING TO COVER EVERYTHING.
>> OFFICE SPACE, EVERYTHING, VEHICLES.
>> THERE WAS A COVER OUT FOR FEMALE RELATED, RIGHT?
>> THERE WAS A COVER FOR FEMALE RELATED STUFF.
I THINK WE CAN READ MY TIME, AMY'S TIME, GARY'S TIME, ANY STAFF TIME THAT WE'VE HAD REVIEWING ANYTHING.
THE ISSUE IS WE HAVE TO PUBLISH THE HOURLY RATE OF THAT AND THE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WITHIN OUR FEE SCHEDULE.
THAT'S THE ONE THING WE'RE SEEING WHAT SPECIFICALLY HAS TO BE PUBLISHED WITHIN THERE AND ALL THAT.
>> AND THE COST FOR PUBLIC VEHICLE?
>> NO, IT'S JUST PUBLISHING WITHIN OUR FEE SCHEDULE.
>> JUST WITHIN OUR FEE SCHEDULE.
>> I THOUGHT YOU MEANT PUBLISHING IN THE NEWSPAPER.
>> NO, WE HAVE A WEBSITE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PUBLISH IT IN THE NEWSPAPER.
SINCE WE DO HAVE WEBSITE, WE CAN JUST PUBLISH IT WITHIN OUR FEE SCHEDULE AND IT'LL BE ON OUR WEBSITE.
>> ANY QUESTION ON FIRE, WHICH IS I THINK ON PAGE 14.
[NOISE] MY FIRST QUESTION HERE IS THAT IT APPEARS, UNLIKE PART-TIME, WE'RE ACTUALLY RUNNING RIGHT ON BUDGET.
MAKE SURE WE'RE BUDGETING A 1% INCREASE.
SO I WAS WONDERING HOW DOES THAT WORK? ARE WE NOT ANTICIPATING THAT THERE'S AN INCREASE IN COMPENSATION COST OR?
>> WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS YEAR [INAUDIBLE] PRETTY MUCH AS I LOVE SHOPPING.
RIGHT NOW, WE GAVE OUR COUNTY FIREFIGHTERS RAISED LAST YEAR, BUMP THEM UP TO ME.
AND ABOUT 50% OF MY DATA, IDEALLY LOOKING AT 75% BRACKET AROUND THAT, ABOUT 50%.
BUT WEARING, SO WHAT YOU SEE THIS YEAR, THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE CORE HOURLY RATE.
I WILL GO FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS FOR MAINTENANCE.
I AM ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF HOURS.
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THE ASSISTANT CHIEF STRING.SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BASICALLY THE NEXT YEAR TO THIS YEAR.
JUST INCREASED. THIS COULD BE THE SAME RECOMMEND.
>> OKAY SO WE ONLY LOOK AT COMPENSATION INCREASES EVERY OTHER YEAR. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> [INAUDIBLE] [BACKGROUND] FIREFIGHTERS HAS THE INITIATIVE [INAUDIBLE] RATHER FIREFIGHTERS [INAUDIBLE].
AS A RESULT, YOU WILL SEE INCREDIBLE TURNOVER AND STAFF MOVING FOR EVER TRYING TO CATCH UP AND THEN CATCH UP THOSE THING THAT [INAUDIBLE] WHAT WE HAVE INSTEAD IS A PROGRAM WHERE WE BUILD UP 10 YEARS CONCEPT OF REQUIRED TIME.
REQUIRED TIME IS RECORDED IN THE FOLLOWING MANNER.
ALL OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE FULL-TIME SALARIED.
AS A RESULT, WHAT WE WERE DOING IS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE FIREFIGHTERS WE'LL IMPLEMENT AN INCOME IN LESS INTENSIVE FIRES.
TYPICALLY THEY'LL COME OFF SHIFT, COMING TO WORK FASTER THAN 24 HOUR SHIFT.
WE NEED THREE FIREFIGHTERS PER SHIFT [INAUDIBLE] BARELY RUNS, WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT DO IT.
THE POOL ADVOCATES RELATIVELY LARGER THAN IF WE WERE JUST GOING FULL TIME.
THE OTHER REASON WE DO THIS MORE SUBJECTIVE IN THAT I GET TO HAVE A POOL OF FIREFIGHTERS WHO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF DEEP EXPERIENCE FROM DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE MUCH MORE ACTIVITY THAN WE DO.
WHEN WE FEEL THE FIREFIGHTING CREW ON FIELDING FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 10 YEARS, 15 YEARS AT A TIME, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RETAIN THAT TYPE OF TALENT ON A FULL-TIME BASIS, BECAUSE WE JUST WE DON'T HAVE THE VOLUME OF CALLS.
WHAT WE DO IS FROM A STANDPOINT OF WHEN DO YOU PROVIDE A RAISE? AS I MENTIONED, PARAMETER NUMBER 1, WHAT'S MY TURNOVER? THAT'S TELLING ME PEOPLE ARE LEAVING EITHER BECAUSE THEY'RE LEAVING THE AREA, THAT HAPPENS, THEY'RE GOING TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
THAT'S MY CUE THAT WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT COMPENSATION.
THEN THE FIREMEN THEMSELVES SAY, HEY, SOMEONE SAYS I WAS GETTING PAID SO MUCH AN HOUR.
THE OTHER IS THE SUPPLY SIDE, AND RIGHT NOW THE SUPPLY SIDE IS GOOD.
>> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS ON THE PROTECTIVE CLOTHING, SO I CAN SEE HERE HOW MANY YOU'RE ASKING FOR EACH TYPE OF PROTECTIVE CLOTHING.
QUESTION, HOW BIG IS THE DEPARTMENT OVERALL?
>> THE DEPARTMENT OVERALL HAS ROUGHLY 40-43 MEMBERS, WILL FLUCTUATE BETWEEN 40 AND 45.
MAIN POINT THOUGH JUST THE NEW MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WE ONLY PAY OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO WHEN THEY WORK, BUT WE HAVE TO OUTFIT THEM.
THAT'S NOT THE REASON THE BUDGET'S THERE.
THE BUDGETS THERE BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRED BY NFPA STANDARDS TO REPLACE EVERY 10 YEARS BASED ON THE DATE OF MANUFACTURY, WHETHER YOU WEAR IT OR NOT, IT GETS REPLACED.
IN ADDITION, THE FIRE SERVICE HAS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS INCREASED AN INITIATIVE WITH RESPECT TO CANCER AWARENESS.
WHAT WE FOUND IS IN THE HOMES THAT WE'RE BUILDING TODAY, THERE IS SO MANY CARCINOGENS THAT ARE RELEASED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE WHEN YOU HAVE FIRE THAT THERE HAS BEEN AN UPTICK IN CANCER AMONG THE FIRE SERVICE.
THESE ARE OUR REQUIREMENTS, IS OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE ACTUALLY HAVING TO NOT JUST DECONTAMINATE THE GEAR, BUT WASH THE GEAR WHEN THEY COME BACK FROM A FIRE.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ALSO IS A NEED TO INVENTORY EXTRA GEAR FOR THESE GUYS TO BASICALLY GET INTO FOR THE COUPLE OF HOURS IT'S GOING TO TAKE.
WE HAVE OUR OWN SPECIAL WASHING MACHINES AND SPECIAL DRYERS.
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WE REGULARLY GO THROUGH.GENERALLY SPEAKING, A FIREFIGHTER WILL KEEP HIS GEAR ANYWHERE FROM 5-10 YEARS DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT GETS RIPPED, WHETHER IT FAILS INSPECTION HARMS. OUR GEAR GOES TO A THIRD PARTY INSPECTION SERVICE TWICE A YEAR BY REQUIREMENTS.
IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, THIS NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED AND IT IS AN ECONOMIC REPAIRING AND IT GETS REPLACED.
WE USUALLY BUDGET ABOUT 20% OF THE BUNKER GEAR FOR UNSCHEDULED REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS REALLY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO.
AND THE REMAINDER IS SIMPLY WE HAVE A VERY WELL-ESTABLISHED THIS IS THE DATE THIS EXPIRES, THIS THE DATE IT HAS TO GO AND BE REPLACED.
EVERY TWO YEARS WE ARE AUDITED BY THE STATE, THEY PHYSICALLY COME OUT AND LOOK AT THIS STUFF.
OUR LAST AUDIT WAS EARLIER THIS YEAR.
WE PASSED, BUT TWO YEARS THEY'LL BE OUT AGAIN VERIFYING THAT WE'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
>> ANOTHER QUESTION, I GUESS WE HAVE.
>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON THAT BUNKER GEAR? I SEE YOU'VE GOT SOME OF THAT IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUDGET AND THEN SOME IN THE DONATIONS FUND.
>> THE DONATION FUND IS MORE OF THE OPPORTUNISTIC AND WE FINALLY HAVE TO REPLACE IT. WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE IT.
>> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION ANYWAY, SO THE FIRE DONATION FUND AND WE'VE GOT A FIRE FUND.
FIRE DONATION FUND, ACTUALLY, WE BUDGET FOR A REASON, MORE EXPENSES THAN WHAT WE BUDGET FOR THE ACTUAL DONATION.
JUST WONDERING FROM A BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE, WHY WE DO IT THAT WAY?
>> LET ME DO A HISTORY ON THE FUND ITSELF. [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] OVER THE YEARS, THE DEPARTMENT HAS [INAUDIBLE] $70,000 IN A YEAR.
WE STOPPED ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO.
IT WAS SIMPLY NOT WORKING OUT.
WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IS OVERTIME THE DEPLETION OF THE FUNDRAISING BUDGETING.
CITIZENS HAVE MADE DONATIONS NOW AND THEN, WE'RE HAVING CORPORATE DONATIONS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, SO IT'LL BOUNCE IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S A FUND THAT IS BEING DEPLETED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
TYPICALLY, THE FUND IS USED FOR THE FOLLOWING REASON.
IT'S NOT USED GENERALLY FOR OPERATIONAL COSTS, NOR IS IT USED FOR PERSONNEL COSTS.
WHEN WE WENT OUT AND ASKED FOR DONATIONS, WHAT WAS GENERALLY FOR CAPITAL ITEMS. CAPITAL ITEMS MEANING, THAT THE GOODS YOU'RE PURCHASING LAST WELL OVER A YEAR.
FIREFIGHTING EQUIPMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, IS SOMETHING WE GO OUT FOR.
I THINK THE LAST BIG USE WE HAD OF THAT WAS WE REPLACED A GROUP OF OUR AEDS, THE AUTOMATED EXTERNAL DEFIBRILLATOR, WITH PROCEEDS FROM FUNDRAISING.
WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR FIRST LADDER TRUCK BACK 10 YEARS AGO, WE FUNDED A LADDER TRUCK WITH PROCEEDS FROM FUNDRAISING.
THEY'RE GENERALLY USED FOR VERY SPECIFIC PURPOSES.
ALL LONG LIVED IN TERMS OF THEIR NEEDS.
WHEN GRANT IS LOOKING AT THE BUDGET, IN TERMS OF WHAT DO WE NEED, WHAT WE DON'T NEED, PROVIDED WE HAVE A CAPITAL GOOD THAT WE CAN PULL OUT OF THE FUNDRAISING THAT IS TRULY CONSISTENT WITH THE SPIRIT BEHIND WHAT IT WAS PUT FORWARD THEN WE WILL USE THAT IF WE CAN.
>> THE LAST QUESTION I HAD WAS JUST AGAIN, BETWEEN THE FIRE AND FIRE DONATION ON THE PROTECTIVE CLOTHING.
IT MIGHT BE A CUT AND PASTE ERROR OR SOMETHING, BUT I THINK ON BOTH OF THEM IT SAYS FIVE COATS, HELMETS, HOODS, BOOTS, AND GLOVES.
HERE IT'S 8,900 ON THE FIRE BUDGET AND ITS 4,000 ON THE DONATION BUDGET. SAME NUMBER.
>> WELL, HE BUDGETED THE INCREASE.
>> GET THE MICROPHONE BACK PLEASE.
>> IN THE GENERAL FUND, HE HAD BUDGET THE INCREASE FOR THOSE ITEMS BECAUSE THE COST WAS UP IN THE DONATIONS ACCOUNT BECAUSE REALLY THE DONATIONS ACCOUNTANTS CAN ALWAYS BE USED FOR POWER OF THE NEED TO SUPPLEMENT ON THEIR BUDGET.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE LINE ITEMS, THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE.
THEY MIGHT NOT BUY EXACTLY WHAT'S ON THERE, THEY BUY WHATEVER THEY CAN LEGALLY WITH THOSE FUNDS.
>> ANOTHER REASON TOO IS THAT TO MANY OTHER CAPITAL ITEMS THERE HAS BEEN A BLACK LOG OVER TIME.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 12-18 MONTHS, IN THE MEAN TIME JUST TO GET EQUIPMENT.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS SOME STACKING UP OF THAT.
WE RECEIVE BANK STATE AND WAIVER IN TERMS OF THIS 10 YEAR RULE,
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DOES PASS AND GO AROUND, AND WE WERE NOT THE ONLY DEPARTMENT TO RECEIVE THIS, THAT ENABLES US TO CARRY OVER TO THE NEXT YEAR.THE LARGER ITEMS THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THAT IS REALLY CATCH UP ITEM.
HELMETS ARE A COUPLE OF $100 EACH.
BOOTS ARE A COUPLE OF $100 EACH.
THE MAJOR PURCHASE IS GOING TO BE THE ENSEMBLE, AND THAT'S ABOUT $2,000 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CODE AND [INAUDIBLE] I WAS SPECIALIZED IN THEIR MANUFACTURER.
THAT'S WHERE MUCH OF THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THAT FUNDRAISING IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENCE.
>> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THIS.
SO WE GET 50 MEETINGS AND ANYTHING OVER THAT 50 MEETINGS IS $150 A MEETING.
I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
>> I FINALLY FOUND THE CONTRACT.
>> SOUNDS GOOD. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION AND I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK, THE MISCELLANEOUS CATEGORY UNDER BUILDING AND STRUCTURE MAINTENANCE, SO THAT $5,500, WAS THAT FOR WALLS TO BE PUT UP OR IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
>> WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND WE HAVE NOT DONE YET IS THAT I NOW HAVE FEMALE FIREFIGHTERS.
BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP THE FEMALE FIREFIGHTERS IN ONE ROOM AND TRY IT OUT AS SEPARATE FROM A LIABILITY PERSPECTIVE, CITY'S PERSPECTIVE ESPECIALLY.
>> I REMEMBER WE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS.
I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS.
>> YET ANOTHER QUESTION, WASTE WATER FUND, WHICH I THINK STARTS ON PAGE 23. AGAIN, LOOKING AT I THINK THE JUNE STATEMENTS.
THIS IS ON WATER SALES, BUT I'M GUESSING JULY AND AUGUST ALSO HAVE NOT BEEN KIND TO US.
THAT WE BASICALLY WILL AT LEAST HIT JUNE'S NUMBERS AND THEREFORE, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL EXCEED WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED FOR WATER SALES.
JUST CURIOUS FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE WHERE WE STAND BASICALLY ON WATER SALES VERSUS WATER AVAILABILITY?
>> I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION WRITTEN.
I DIDN'T BRING THE ACTUALS FOR THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING I HAD TO GET FOR YOU PROBABLY.
>> JOHN MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT TONIGHT WHEN HE'S HERE FOR, NOT THE FINANCIALS, BUT THE ACTUAL WATER USAGE WITH THE MORATORIUM STUFF.
>> WATER CAPACITY, YES. NORTH TEXAS WILL GIVE US AS MUCH WATER AS WE WANT.
IT'S JUST THAT [BACKGROUND] WHAT RATE? WE'VE BEEN FAIRLY DECENT WITH OUR MOUNTAIN WATER WE'VE BEEN USING NOW, RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN CUTTING BACK.
>> IT'S NOT AS BAD AS I WAS EXPECTING THROUGH SUMMER.
>> LAST YEAR WE ONLY WENT OVER, I THINK, 4% AND WE WERE ALREADY CLOSE ENOUGH.
WHEN NEW HOMES WERE COMING ON, WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO START HITTING THAT 100%, THAT'S WHY WE HAD STARTED THE PLANNING FOR THAT NEW PUMP STATION.
THEN THIS YEAR WITH NEW HOMES COMING ON, WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO HAVE MORE COMING ON, AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED THAT NEW CONTRACT.
>> WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING OVER AGAIN THIS YEAR, BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT'S NOT AS BAD AS WE'VE BEEN WATCHING IT VERY CLOSELY DAILY.
IT COULD BE A LOT WORSE FOR US, JUST BASED ON WE HAVE A LOT OF HIGH VOLUME USERS IN THE CITY, AND IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE ARE NOT REALLY CUTTING BACK ON THEIR WATER.
>> SO WE INCREASE WATER SALES, I GUESS 28%, SO JUST CURIOUSITY, HOW WAS THAT CALCULATED?
>> WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, WE JUST RAISED WATER RATES.
WATER RATES WERE RAISED FOR OUR CURRENT YEAR THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HIT ANOTHER TIER FOR NEXT BUDGET.
NEXT BUDGET WILL SHOW OR FLIGHT BASICALLY TWO RATE INCREASES.
ALL THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR OF 3.6 MILLION DIDN'T HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION RATE INCREASES, SO NEXT YEAR'S RATE WILL BE TWO YEARS OF RATE INCREASES.
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>> ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THAT 28% THEN IS PURELY RATE INCREASES AS OPPOSED TO MORE HOMES?
>> I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T BRING IT WITH ME. MAYBE-
>> A YEAR, SO ALMOST 20% FROM WE'RE GETTING INCREASES.
>> THE WANT 13% ON US, AND WE'RE SLOWLY INCREMENTALLY UPPING OURS, 9-10.
I THINK I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND PULL THAT POWERPOINT SLIDE THOSE DOCUMENTS. DO YOU HAVE IT?
>> WELL, I'M GOING ON OUR WEBSITE, WE HAVE THAT THERE. [LAUGHTER]
>> OH, WE DO HAVE IT UP THERE.
>> WHILE, HE'S GLANCING AT THAT HOUSES, HOW ABOUT THE SEWER SERVICE REVENUES JUMP CONSIDERABLY, IS THE NEW DEVELOPMENT ALL ON SEWER OR?
>> NO, THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE INCREASES IN THOSE RATES.
THOSE RATE INCREASES TOO, THEY'VE GOT PAST THOSE RATE INCREASES.
WE JUST PASS THOSE DIRECTLY THROUGH, THOSE WEREN'T ANYTHING, WE WERE MAKING VERY LITTLE ON SEWER.
>> THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION IS THAT BASICALLY SEWER CHARGES ARE BASICALLY EQUAL TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT CHARGE.
AS A CITY ARE WE SUPPOSED TO PASS THAT THROUGH AT A COST?
>> NOT REALLY, BUT WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO IT.
YOU GET PAID BASICALLY A COST.
>> THERE'S A LITTLE IN THERE FOR EMPLOYEES, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND DO SOME MORE PAYROLL GARY'S GUYS HAVE TO GO OUT, BUT IT'S NOT MUCH.
>> IT'S NOT LIKE WHAT WE'RE HAVING BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HOMES THAT ARE ON THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM.
>> THERE'S THIS NEW ONES IN PARKER LAKES
>> IN PARKER LAKES, THAT'S RIGHT.
PARKER LAKES DOES HAVE THAT LIFT STATION THERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THOSE HOMES WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY ONES AFFECTED BY THAT.
>> BUT IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE NOW OR IN THE FUTURE THAT WE MAY HAVE TO DO TO THIS SEWER SYSTEM, BECAUSE I MEAN BASICALLY IF WE'RE PUTTING AT A COST AND LABOR, AND WE HAVE A COST [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE HAVE MAINTENANCE AND STUFF LIKE THAT BUILT IN THERE, BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST STRAIGHT PASS-THROUGH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING AS FAR AS THE RATE INCREASES.
>> THEN ON THE WATER FUND, I GUESS THE LARGER REPLACEMENT OF WATER METERS.
>> TO SPEAK THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE LARGE INCREASE.
TWO REASONS, ONE, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN PRIOR YEARS THAT HAVE BEEN BROKEN OUT BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS.
WE'VE BROKEN IT UP BETWEEN ON PAGE 26, THE VERY LAST ACCOUNT THERE, 036008935, WE TRIED TO SEPARATE THOSE IN YEARS PAST.
THEN YOU'LL SEE THE OTHER ONE WHERE IT'S CAUGHT IN PAGE 25 036008408, AND IN YEARS PAST, WE'D BUDGET THOSE IN TWO DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS TRYING TO CAPTURE WHICH ONES WERE FOR NEW HOMES THAT WERE BEING BUILT VERSUS REPLACEMENT ONES.
BUT IT WAS A TERRIBLE IDEA, WE BUY METERS AND IS IT IN 200 INCREMENTS OR 100 INCREMENTS, AND HE WOULD PUT THEM IN A SHELF AND USE THEM AS NEEDED.
IT WAS TOO HARD TO TRY TO TRACK, SO RATHER THAN DOING THAT, WE JUST COMBINED THEM AND PUT THEM INTO ONE ACCOUNT.
THEN IT ALSO GOT INCREASED A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE HE'S STILL SHORT ON METERS, AND THERE'S OLD METERS OUT THERE THAT SHOULD BE REPLACED, AND HE HASN'T BEEN REPLACING THOSE METERS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE METERS AVAILABLE.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
>> THEY'RE HARD TO COME BY TOO, WHEN WE'VE ORDERED THOSE, IT TAKES SIX MONTHS TO GET THEM.
WE'D LIKE TO KEEP SOME IN INVENTORY.
>> IS THAT TRUE FOR ONE INCH AS WELL AS TWO INCH?
>> WITH RESPECT TO THE WASTEWATER FUND, IF WE DECIDE THROUGH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, PLANNING, COMMITTEE MEETINGS, DECIDE TO REPLACE THE WATER LINES ON DUBLIN ROAD SOUTH, WHAT FUND WOULD THAT MONEY BE FUNDED THROUGH AND WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO TRY TO BUDGET IF WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO DO THAT?
>> AS FAR AS WHERE WOULD IT BE PAID THROUGH? IT'D BE PAID THROUGH THE UTILITY CONSTRUCTION FUND, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CAPITAL PROJECT.
HOWEVER, FUNDING FROM THAT, IT WOULD COME FROM A NUMBER OF SOURCES OF BONDS WE'RE ISSUED, OR FUND BALANCE WAS ISSUED, HOWEVER,
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GRANT MONEY WAS ISSUED OR GRANT MONEY WAS USED.AS FAR AS COSTCO'S, I'M GOING TO TURN THAT OVER TO GARY
>> WE HAD SOME COST INFORMATION, IT'S OLD NOW, WHAT WAS THAT LUKE AROUND 2, 3 MILLION.
>> I CAN'T REMEMBER AT THIS POINT.
>> I'VE SEEN IT ON THE WORKSHEETS, YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK IT WAS MAYBE LIKE 1.9 MILLION FOR THE SOUTH PART OF DUBLIN ROAD.
IT IS AN ESTIMATE FROM THE ENGINEERING OF PREVIOUS WORKSHEET, YES.
>> THAT MIGHT BE AN OLD NUMBER NOW
>> WILL WE HAVE THE, WAS THAT AARP? IT'S NOT AARP, I DON'T [LAUGHTER] IT'S ONE OF THOSE DAYS NOT ARP.
THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, MONEY, WE HAVE A ONE POINT. WHAT WAS IN THERE?
>> 1.3, SO WE HAVE THAT MONEY AND THEN WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT WE CAN USE FROM JUST REGULAR WATER REVENUE ACCOUNT.
>> GOT IT, SO IF WE WANTED TO TRY TO SCOPE A PROJECT TO REPLACE THE WATER LINES ON DUBLIN ROAD WE COULD POTENTIALLY FIND IT THROUGH THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT OF MONEY'S OR THE WATER FUND MONEYS, AND THEN WE TRANSFER THAT INTO THE FUNDS FOR THE UTILITY CONSTRUCTION FUND.
>> THANK YOU. IF WE WANTED TO TRY TO GET THAT STRUCTURE IN PLACE IN THE BUDGET, WOULD THAT MAKE SENSE TO TALK THROUGH NOW OR WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING WE WOULD DO LATER?
>> WE'D COME BACK WITH THAT BID DOCUMENT AND HAVE THAT ALL SET UP BECAUSE IF WE USE THAT AMERICAN RECOVERY MONEY, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CERTAIN THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THE BACON.
WHAT'S THE WAGE ACT? THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO WITH THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF MORE, WE HAVE TO HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH WITH THAT, BUT NOTHING ASTRONOMICAL, SO DAVID'S BACKING, THAT'S CORRECT.
DAVID'S BACKING ACT FOR WAGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
PREVAILING WAGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
YOU MENTIONED THE UTILITY IMPACT BE FUN.
THAT IMPACT FEE FUND THAT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT AREAS VERSUS SOMETHING MAYBE LIKE DUBLIN ROAD?
>> WELL, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IMPACT THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS ON, YES.
>> WE'D HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN THE RIGHT PLACE THERE.
>> CORRECT. [LAUGHTER] I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON IS THAT PRETTY WIDE OPEN, YOU COULD MAKE NOW [OVERLAPPING].
>> WATER TOWEL. WE HAVE TO ADD WATER TOWER OR WE'RE OVERSIZE IN A WATER LINE IN AN AREA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO PROVIDE THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT TO COME IN, STUFF LIKE THAT.
>> IF IT WAS JUST A REPLACEMENT, EVEN IF THE LINE CAPACITY WAS MORE IF IT WASN'T IMPACTING THE OTHER AREAS OR YOU COULD DEMONSTRATE THAT IT'S IMPACTING THAT AND THEN THERE'LL BE A NO-GO IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> I ALSO WANT TO CLARIFY THOUGH SOMETHING ELSE ON THOSE WATER METERS, THEY INCREASE.
CURRENTLY, THE TWO-INCH METERS ARE BEING MANUALLY READ AND SO THE GUYS HAVE TO GO OUT AND PHYSICALLY READ THOSE, SO THAT IS ALSO REPLACING SOME OF THOSE TWO-INCH METERS WITH THE ONES THAT HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO BE READ ELECTRONICALLY AND HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE IN THE GROUND RUNNING ON THE TWO-INCH?
>> THIS WOULD BE REPLACING PART OF THOSE WITH A GOAL OF GETTING ALL THOSE REPLACED SO THEY CAN ALL BE READ ELECTRONICALLY
>> I HAD A QUESTION ON THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND, WHICH IS PAGE 31.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE MOTOR VEHICLES, THE 110,000 BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR, LOOKING AT THE JUNE STATEMENT, SO IT LOOKED WE HAD SPENT 20,000 THROUGH JUNE ON $110,000 BUDGET AND WE'RE BUDGETING 120 NEXT YEAR, SO I'M WONDERING WHERE THAT BUDGET COMES FROM.
>> WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE LEASE THE VEHICLES, SO A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH ENTERPRISE TO START REASING CERTAIN VEHICLES.
THERE'S A TOTAL OF 15 VEHICLES THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY LEASE AND THIS WOULD BE THE PAYMENTS ON THOSE IF WE WERE TO REPLACE ALL 15 AND GET THEM INTO A LEASE PROGRAM.
THAT'S BEEN THE INTENT HOWEVER, THE MARKET HASN'T ALLOWED FOR THAT BECAUSE OF THE AVAILABILITY OF VEHICLES SOLD,
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BUT THAT'S THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE MAKING IS THAT THE MARKET IS GOING TURN AROUND AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE THESE VEHICLES AND HAVE THEM RELEASED.>> THIS IS THE POLICE VEHICLES OR PUBLIC SAFETY OR [OVERLAPPING].
>> PUBLIC WORKS, TWO FIRE VEHICLE.
I THINK THERE'S JUST 15 OR 16 VEHICLES.
>> FIFTEEN OR 16-YEAR VEHICLES WHEN IT WAS ALL SET.
>> THE LATEST PICKUP TRUCK POLICE CAR I THINK WE'RE PURCHASING, CORRECT?
>> CORRECT, NO, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AS A LEASE.
>> THIS WILL FALL UNDER THAT 120, BUT BASICALLY, UNLESS WE MOVE TO THE PURE LEASING PROGRAM, ARE THOSE VEHICLES READY TO BE EITHER HAVE TO BE REPLACED? YOU'RE SAYING THAT BASICALLY, WE TOOK ALL 15, WE DID IT, AND PUT IT UNDER A LEASE THAT WOULD ADD UP THOSE 120,000, SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE 15 VEHICLES REALLY THAT HAVE TO BE REPLACED?
>> WHAT THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS GIVEN, THE WAY THAT ENTERPRISE WAS SUPPOSED TO WORK WAS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO MANAGE OUR FLEET AND SO THEY WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT VEHICLES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND EVEN IF IT WAS ONLY ONE-YEAR-OLD, THEY WILL LOOK AT POSSIBLY REPLACING THAT VEHICLE, SELLING IT BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE WORTH MORE MONEY THAN WHAT WE ACTUALLY PURCHASE IT FOR AND SO THERE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT ALL THE VEHICLES ON YOUR ANNUAL BASIS.
SOME OF THEM I GET REPLACED EVERY YEAR.
SOME OF THEM LIKE POLICE VEHICLES MIGHT GET REPLACED EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS, SO THEY WERE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND ADJUST IT ACCORDINGLY, BUT YES, THEY WERE LOOKING AT REPLACING INITIALLY, 14 VEHICLES, 11 VEHICLES SORRY, FIRST YEAR AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR REPLACING THE OTHER ONES AND THEN LOOKING AT THEM ALL ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
>> THAT'S A PROBLEM WE RAN INTO IS THE TRUCK MARKET WENT BAD REAL QUICK.
WE COULDN'T GET TRUCKS EVERYWHERE.
THE ALLOCATION SYSTEM FORWARD EVERYONE.
FOR DODGE AND CHEVY, WHAT HAPPENED WAS IS YOU PUT YOUR ORDER AND ENTERPRISE WOULD PUT THEIR ORDER, AND FOR OUR CITIES AND STUFF, AND THEN THEY SKIPPED EVERY THIRD ONE OR SOMETHING AND SAY THIS IS GOING TO FILL IN THIS ORDER, SO THEY'RE GOING BY THEIR ALLOCATION IN THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN MAKING 40,000 UNITS, BUT THEN THEY WENT DOWN TO, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO MAKE 12,000 UNITS, SO THE SCARCITY OF THOSE VEHICLES BECAME REAL SCARCE REAL QUICK AND THAT'S WHY THE US MARKET WENT SKY HIGH REAL QUICK ON US.
THEN OF COURSE WE'RE SITTING HERE, WE'RE NEEDING UPDATED TRUCKS, AND [LAUGHTER] WE CAN'T GET NEW TRUCKS UNLESS WE GO TO THE ACTUAL LOTS AND PURCHASE THEM, AND WE'RE BASICALLY PAYING LOT PRICES AT THAT POINT THEN.
>> WHEN HE SAYS, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW MANY WE NEED TO REPLACE THOSE, THAT COMES TO COUNCIL.
THAT'S JUST LUCAN GRANT GETTING TOGETHER AND DECIDE WE WANT REPLACE EVERY CAR, NO IT COMES TO COUNCIL.
>> I UNDERSTAND, SO IS THIS 120,000 THEN BASICALLY A PLACEHOLDER?
>> THAT WOULD COVER IN AN IDEAL WORLD, IF EVERYTHING WAS REPLENISHED THE PLAN, THAT WOULD COVER THE LEASE PAYMENTS ANNUALLY.
>> THE QUESTION, WHAT'S THE CHILD'S SAFETY FUND?
>> THOSE WERE RESTRICTED DOLLARS THAT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR CHILD SAFETY ISSUES. IT'S PART OF IT.
WHEN YOU'RE OVER A TICKET, SOMEBODY COMES IN AND PAYS A CITATION.
PART OF THAT GOES TO THE COUNTY, AND THEN THE COUNTY REIMBURSES THAT ON A QUARTERLY OR HOWEVER OFTEN BASIS, AND THEN THOSE FUNDS ARE RESTRICTED TO BE USED FOR MAKING PAID FOR SALARIES, SORROWS OR SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS.
OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
BUT WHAT WE SPENT MONEY ON, WAS A SPEED TRAILER A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
THE CURRENT YEAR WE DID SOME RE STRAPPING OF A SCHOOL CROSSING ZONE, OR SOMETHING WE PAID FOR THE RE STRAPPING.
IT WILL BE USED FOR THOSE TYPES OF EXPENSES.
MAYBE EDUCATIONAL STUFF AS WELL.
>> I GUESS WE AGREED, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ALLOCATION AS I KNOW, AMANDA HAS ALREADY INDICATED.
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WHEN WE GO UNDER THE SUPPLEMENTAL ITEMS AT THIS TIME, DO YOU WANT GO OVER THOSE?>> I STILL HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION REGARDING THE GENERAL FUND AND PUBLIC WORKS.
GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION PRIOR WHERE I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE ABILITY TO FUND THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WATER LINES ON STREETS.
THIS APPLIES TO MANY STREETS IN GENERAL.
IF WE NEEDED TO FUND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DRAINAGE AS PART OF A ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, WHERE WOULD THAT FUND COME FROM?
>> SAME THING, WE COULDN'T USE THE RECOVERY FUNDS FOR THAT PROJECT.
BUT WE DO TRANSFER MONEY EACH YEAR TO THE DRAINAGE FUND, AND THOSE THOSE FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR THAT OR IF A BOND WAS ISSUED, BONDS COULD COVER THAT AS WELL.
>> OKAY. RIGHT. FOR INSTANCE, IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THE DRAINAGE FUND TO DO A PROJECT THAT GETS SCOPED, THEN YOU CAN SAY YOU CAN GET SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY FROM THE REVENUES AS AN OPTION OR?
>> IF THERE WASN'T ENOUGH MONEY, OBVIOUSLY, A BOND WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO RAISE MONEY FOR IT, OR YOU COULD SAY, WE NEED THE GENERAL FUND TO TRANSFER MORE MONEY TO COVER.
>> I DON'T WANT TO MOVE MONEY TO ANY OTHER FUNDS TO HELP COVER PROJECTS.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT AGAIN, CAN BE AGREED UPON WHEN THE PROJECT GETS SCOPED AND APPROVED DEMAND.
THAT'S HOW THE FUNDING WOULD HAPPEN TO FOR IT AT A FUTURE TIME?
>> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE FUNDS.
SOME OF THE ALLOCATED FUNDS THAT WE HAVE TRANSFER PAYMENTS TO.
THE BUDGET ASSUMES, FOR THE MOST PART THAT WE SPEND EVERYTHING THAT WE PUT IN.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE DETAILS FOR THAT.
I WOULD DO IT. I'D LIKE TO SEE A SPECIFIC BUDGET ITEM FOR IT OR IT NOT BE LISTED WITH THE THOUGHT THAT WHEN WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS, IT COMES TO COUNSEL AND GETS APPROVED.
WHY DO WE INCLUDE THIS WAY? CAN YOU EXPLAIN HELP ME UNDERSTAND.
>> WHY DON'T WE GO WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A BALANCED BUDGET OR [OVERLAPPING].
>> NO, WHY DO WE TAKE ALL THE MONEY OUT OF THE FUND IN THE YEAR WHEN WE DON'T HAVE PLANS FOR THOSE FUNDS, OR WE MAY HAVE PLANS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFICS OF THE PLAN.
>> USE THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT FUND.
THAT'S IT. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE AN EASIER ONE. [LAUGHTER]
>> DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT. NOT ALL, WE BUDGETED 100,000 ANNUALLY, SO THAT IF SOMETHING WERE TO COME UP DURING THE YEAR, OBVIOUSLY, IT WOULD BE BROUGHT TO COUNSEL.
BUT IT WOULD ALLOW TO NOT HAVE TO DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT AS WELL.
OR, IF THERE'S LIKE SOME SMALLER FEES AND SOME WANTED TO DO ENGINEERING FEES OR SOMETHING ON DRAINAGE, OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE EXPENSES.
DEPENDING ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY, I'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL.
BUT, AT LEAST IT ALLOWS YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING DURING THE YEAR.
IF THERE WERE CULVERT SPIN PLACES NEED THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED OR SOMETHING, YOU'D GIVE GARY THAT HE'D BE ABLE TO GO AND REPLACE THEM, CULVERT SPIN PLACES.
>> WHEN DID WE HAVE ONE THIS YEAR THAT WE HAD TO REPLACE? WHAT CULVERT ON, IT WAS OFF PARKER ROAD HERE.
IT WAS OFF STREET BEFORE DUBLIN.
THERE WAS A STREET WE HAD TO REPLACE A CULVERT UNDERNEATH THE ROAD BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY COLLAPSING ON US.
THAT'S WHERE THE DRAINAGE ONE CAME.
WE USED THOSE DRAINAGE FUNDS FOR THAT? BECAUSE THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> SADDLE TRAILER YEAH. BECAUSE OF THAT COLBERT HAS STARTED RUSTING OUT UNDERNEATH THERE, AND WE WERE CONCERNED THAT ROAD WAS GOING TO COLLAPSE UNDERNEATH, THAT COLBERT.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, ANY LARGE EXPENDITURES OVER WHAT, 25,000 WOULD COME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL BEFORE THEY SPEND IT ANYWHERE?
>> THAT'D BE ADVERTISED AND [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND?
>> CORRECT. WE WERE ABLE TO PIGGY, BUT THEY'RE INDIVIDUALLY.
WE DIDN'T HAVE TO ADVERTISE BECAUSE WE WERE PIGGYBACKED ON EACH GAC.
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>> OR SOURCE WELL, OR ONE OF THOSE CONTRACTS?
>> YEAH. OBVIOUSLY, IF WHERE THERE WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS OPENED TO OVER 25,000 WAVES, GIBBONS, AND ALL THAT?.
>> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE STREET CONSTRUCTION FUND.
IF WE GO THROUGH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING PROCESS AND DECIDE THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO PUT SEALANT OR SILK COATS ON A LARGE MAJORITY OF OUR STREET, AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, IF WE GO THROUGH KIND OF A DECISION-MAKING PROCESS, OR KIND OF MAKE VERSUS BUY.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN CONTRACT OUT THE SEAL COAT FOR SOME X NUMBER OF STREETS VERSUS, HIRING AN EMPLOYEE AND THE EQUIPMENT AND THE PRODUCT TO DO THAT JOB.
IF WE GO THROUGH THAT ANALYSIS AND DEEM THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO GO FORWARD WITH BY HIRING A PERSON, VERSUS CONTRACTING THAT WORK OUT.
HOW WOULD THE FUNDING FOR THAT GET DISCUSSED AND PROCESSED?
>> THAT ONE WOULD PROBABLY TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO DISCUSS.
BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THAT YOU COULD DO.
IF IT WAS SOMEBODY THAT YOU WERE GOING TO HIRE TO DO THE CEILING FOR THE CITY, AND THEN WHEN A CEILING WAS DONE, THEIR JOB WAS DONE, THAT WOULD BE ALMOST A CONTRACT BASIS.
WE PAID THROUGH THE CONTRACT, PAY THAT THROUGH THE STREET CONSTRUCTION FUND.
IF IT WAS A DEAL, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OUR APP.
THEY'RE GOING TO SEAL THE ROADS AND THEN AFTER THEY'RE DONE SEALING ON THE ROADS, OR WE CAN USE THEM OVER HERE TO HELP MORE, OR WHAT CAN HELP THEM.
HELP THEM WORK IN DEPARTMENTS AND SOME OTHER FORM OF FASHION.
THEN OBVIOUSLY, THE FUNDING, ADD THEM TO THE GENERAL FUND AND WATER FIRMS, ADD THEM TO THE EXPENSE.
IT WILL ENTIRELY DEPEND ON HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE USED LONG TERM.
>> YEAH, I THINK PART OF THE ANALYSIS WOULD BE LIKE, WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD BE DOING ALL SEASON LONG, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SEAL ALL THE STREETS OF THE CITY TO THE POINT WHERE WHEN THEY'RE FINISHED, AND THEY'LL START LOOKING BACK AT THE BEGINNING, AND SEAL OFF THE STREETS OF THE CITY SO THAT IT WAS BASICALLY A FULL-TIME JOB.
>> IF THAT WAS SOMETHING WE DECIDED AFTER DOING AN ANALYSIS, THEN YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE WOULD ADD UP A PERSON TO THE PUBLIC WORKS HEADCOUNT, AND PUT IT IN THE BUDGET.
THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING THAT, PROBABLY, BUT OF COURSE RIGHT.
NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.
I'M TRYING TO LEARN, HOW WOULD THIS GO?
>> PROBABLY, WOULDN'T BE ONE EMPLOY BECAUSE TYPICALLY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PULLING THE MACHINES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY TWO OR THREE EMPLOYEES WITH THAT, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT ONE DRIVING A TRUCK, AND THEN ONE FLAGGING AND ONE AND DOING THE CEILING.
WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE ANALYSIS AND BENEFITS, AND EVERYTHING WITH THAT.
>> WHEN FREDERICK TAYLOR WAS ON COUNCIL, WE DID A ANALYSIS ON DOING IT OURSELVES OR BIDDING IT OUT.
IT WASN'T COST-EFFECTIVE FOR US TO DO IT OURSELVES ON WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU STILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE A PLACE TO STORE.
>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANKS.
>> IF YOU GUARANTEE YOU STILL HAVE PATRICK?
>> IT WAS PROBABLY YOUR FIRST YEAR, BUT YEAH.
>> OKAY. THANKS. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
JUST TO KIND OF SEE HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS SO THAT, IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DISCUSS IT WITH RESPECT TO THIS CYCLE.
BUT, IF THERE'S AN UP-CYCLED DISCUSSION THAT CAN TAKE PLACE THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW.
>> ON A DIFFERENT SUBJECT, I WAS LOOKING IN GENERAL ON THE FACILITIES ON IMPROVEMENT FUND.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT 09:30, 22, WAS AROUND 700,000.
IT'S ALMOST 1 MILLION NOW AND THEN ANOTHER 300,000 GOING INTO IT.
OBVIOUSLY, ACCRUING A LOT OF FUNDS TOWARDS THAT.
WELL, I GUESS IT'S GONE 700-950 THOUSAND, ALMOST 1 MILLION.
BUT AT ANY RATE, WE HAD PLANS THAT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF BACKGROUND, AND THINGS YOU NEED TO BE WORKING ON TO GO FORWARD THAT.
BUT DOES THAT MONEY STAY THERE, OR.
>> ON PAGE TWO ALSO. IT DOES A SUMMARY.
>> AGAIN, I WAS JUST THROWING A COMMENT OUT THERE.
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>> I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING ANYTHING NEEDS TO CHANGE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING DO WITH THAT IF THAT KIND OF MONEY IS GOING TO BE SITTING. [OVERLAPPING]
WHATEVER GOES IN THERE IS OUR EXPENDITURE IT STAYS AND THEN SAY FINALLY IT WILL CONTINUE TO BUILD.
>> I GUESS, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, AS WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH THIS BUDGET, I FEEL HONEST TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WITH WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
BECAUSE AS IT CONTINUES TO ROLL AND WE'RE NOT SPENDING IT, OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO HAVE SITTING THERE.
>> DO WE GAIN ANY INTEREST ON THAT MONEY?
>> WE DON'T ALLOCATE THE INTERESTS TO THEIR WE'LL RECOGNIZE THE INTEREST IN THE GENERAL FUND.
BUT YEAH, IT'S MORE LIKELY SINCE WERE COOL CASH.
SOMEBODY WITH THE INTEREST, YES.
>> LET'S START WITH [INAUDIBLE]
>> NOW TO YOUR SERVICE, LET'S START WITH THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND, GO THROUGH THOSE REAL QUICK.
THERE'S THREE ITEMS IN THE REPLACEMENT FUND THAT'S ON THE SCHEDULE TO BE REPLACED OR AT LEAST HAVE DISCUSSION ON.
THE TWO ARE FIRE VEHICLES, THE RESTAURANT THAT WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ON, AND THEN ALSO THE PUMPER TRUCK.
TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MAY OR MAY NOT NEED TO BE EXPENSES THIS YEAR, THIS WAS JUST MORE OF A INSURANCE THEM AS BUDGETED SO THAT WAY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON IT.
THEN IF THE TRUCK COMES IN AND WE HAVE TO PAY IT, THE MONEY'S THERE.
IF NOT, OBVIOUSLY, THAT MONEY WOULD JUST GET RE-APPROPRIATE THE FOLLOWING YEAR WHEN THE EXPENSES DUE.
SAME THING, THERE'S NOT REALLY AN EXPENSE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
THE PUMPER TRUCK, HOWEVER, IT WOULD REQUIRE YOUR COUNCIL'S COMMITMENT FOR APPROVAL TO BE ABLE TO BUY THAT TRUCK.
I WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THERE.
IT WOULDN'T BE ANY EXPENSE THAT WOULD BE DUE IN THE NEXT YEAR, I THINK IT'S TWO YEARS OUT, BUT AT LEAST IT'S ON THE RADAR.
IN THAT WAY, THE TRUCK TO BE ORDERED AND THE MONEY COULD BE ALLOCATED ACCORDINGLY.
THE THIRD ONE IS ON THE REPLACEMENT FUND.
IT'S A 2006 CUB CADET THAT STARTING TO HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH IT.
THAT ONE HAS BEEN PUSHED OUT YEAR AFTER YEAR, BUT THIS YEAR IT SAYS GETTING ROUGH, SO IT'S PROBABLY TIME TO REPLACE THAT ONE.
>> LET ME JUST ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE TWO FIRE VEHICLES.
THE FIRST ONE, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT'S A 23-24 MONTHS BUILD?
>> THE PUMPER INDICATES 605 DAYS ON THAT CONTRACT, WHICH IS LESS THAN TWO YEARS.
>> THEY'RE SHOWN IN FRONT OF THIRD ONE.
>> A LITTLE BIT LONGER IS WHAT THE REALITY IS.
JUST THINKING ABOUT YEARS AND THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE, THAT WOULD [OVERLAPPING] THAT WOULD END UP A LITTLE BIT EARLIER THAN ITS PLANNED.
>> ALSO ADVICE PUT IN PLACE TO THE TRUCK SOLD, LOOKING AT THAT SO THE BUDGET WE'RE WORKING ON IS 23 , 24, I'M JOKING.
YEAH, PUSH IT EVEN FURTHER AHEAD.
IN REALITY THAT 200,000 IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A 24, 25 ITEMS. BUT JUST FOR SECURITY REASONS, THE CASE OF WHERE TO GET IT DONE EARLY AND JUST SHOW THE IMPACT IT HAS TO THE BUDGET, I WANT THEM LISTED NOW.
LIKE I SAID, IF IT DOESN'T GET HERE IN TIME AND WE NEED TO PUSH IT, WE'LL RE-APPROPRIATE TO THE NEXT YEAR.
THEN THE OTHER ONE FOR THE PUMPER TRUCK, PROBABLY REALISTICALLY, WE WOULD RECEIVE IN 25, 26 BUDGET YEAR.
THAT'S TO REFERENCE OVER TWO YEARS ALL.
WE HAVEN'T SIGNED A CONTRACT ON IT, SO IT WOULDN'T EVEN GET STARTED YET.
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>> ONCE IT GETS STARTED, IT WILL HAVE A LOT OF ERROR AT WHEEL FROM THE CONTRACT ITSELF.
IT'S A MATTER OF GETTING IT FROM THE MANUFACTURER.
HERE GOING TO GET FROM THE MANUFACTURER [INAUDIBLE]
>> AGAIN TIME-WISE, IF THAT COMES IN AND 24, 25, IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY IN THE FUND TO PAY FOR THAT, I THINK.
IF SO THAT'S THE CONCERN, I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS IN COUNCIL.
>> LOOK AT THAT REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE.
IN FISCAL YEAR 22, 23, THOSE ITEMS, THAT WAS THE BUDGETED AMOUNTS, AND WE DID HAVE SOME SAVINGS ON THAT, SO WE WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT.
THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME VEHICLES ALSO THAT NEED TO BE AUCTIONED OFF.
THAT'S ALSO GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT FUND.
WE WOULD BE REAL CLOSE ON BEING ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY WITHOUT RAISING THE AMOUNT FROM THE GENERAL FUND IF WE HAD TO PAY FOR IT IN 24, 25.
>> BUT WE WANT THE COST SAVINGS OF ORDERING [INAUDIBLE]
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND? THEN ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL ROUND 1.
JUST LOOKING AT THE FIRST FIVE ITEMS HERE, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT BENEFITS FOR EMPLOYEES HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AND WHAT THEY DO IN MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING CLOSE TO THEM.
THE FIRST ONE THERE WOULD BE LONGEVITY PAY.
IT'S ACTUALLY A REQUIREMENT ONCE YOU GET TO 10,000 EMPLOYEES.
IT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR [OVERLAPPING] 10,000 PEOPLE WHO ARE SERVING [OVERLAPPING] NOT 2,000 FOR HIS PARTNERS.
[LAUGHTER] WE'RE ALMOST THERE, THERE ARE 2,000 EMPLOYEES THAT PRINT.
BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A REQUIREMENT ONCE YOU HIT 10,000 POPULATION.
HOWEVER, EVERY CITY AROUND THIS DOES IT.
I CAN'T FIND A CITY THAT IT DOES IT IF YOU READ THIS, AROUND US.
IT'S USUALLY $4 A MONTH FOR EACH MONTH OF SERVICE AFTER YOU HIT ONE YEAR.
JUST THE IMPACT THAT THAT WOULD HAVE YOU CAN SEE IS ABOUT $7,800.
>> THAT WOULD BE FOR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES ONLY.
IT'S ONLY REQUIRED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IN FIRE, CORRECT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. BUT EVERY CITY AROUND US DOES IT FOR ALL EMPLOYEES.
>> WHEN IS THAT GET PAID? WHO IS IT?
>> TYPICALLY IT'S DONE SOMETIME AROUND THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER.
YOU GET A ONE-TIME PAY EACH YEAR FOR IT.
IT'S USUALLY DONE AROUND NOVEMBER.
BASICALLY, IT'S FOR EMPLOYEES.
>> IF A PERSON LEAVES DURING THE YEAR THEN THEY DON'T GET THE LONGEVITY PAY BECAUSE IT'S PAY OUT IN NOVEMBER?
>> CORRECT. IT'S FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR OVER A YEAR.
SINCE OCTOBER 1ST TO NOVEMBER 30, THAT GIVES ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF TO BE ABLE TO PAY IT OUT.
>> HOW DO WE DISCUSS THIS? WE SAY WE'RE IN FAVOR OR HOW DO WE DO THAT?
>> YES, PROBABLY [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT MAKES SENSE TO ME, I'M GOOD WITH IT.
>> WHATEVER YOU GUYS WE HAVE THAT $580,000.
>> OKAY. I'M IN FAVOR. [LAUGHTER]
>> YEAH. YOU HAVE THAT 580,000.
THESE ARE JUST SUPPLEMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE BUDGET THAT WEREN'T PLANNED WITHIN THAT BUDGET.
>> IF THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS LET'S LEAVE THIS IN HERE, THEN LEAVE IT IN HERE TO CONSENSUS IS WE'RE MOVING UP.
IT WILL BE LIVED THROUGH IT, AND THEN AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, I'LL HAVE THAT CHANGE REFLECTED.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS RIGHT NOW.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON IT RIGHT NOW.
YOU COULD WAIT UNTIL WE CAN LOOK AT EVERYTHING AND THEN SEE WHAT THE IMPACT IS AND THEN TELL ME WHAT YOUR FAVORITES ARE.
WHAT'S YOUR FAVOR OF, WHAT YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF? BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE THESE AND IF WE WANT TO.
SECOND ITEM WOULD BE THE TMRS. CURRENTLY, THE CITY EMPLOYEES PAY 6% AND THE CITY DOES A 12% FOR CONTRIBUTION.
FIFTY-FOUR PERCENT OF THE CITIES PAY 14% WITH EMPLOYEES BUT MEET 7%.
ALL THE SURROUNDING CITIES AROUND US, OR THAT'S WHAT THEY DO, 7%, 14%.
THIS WOULD JUST BE KEEPING UP WITH THEM.
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THE IMPACT OF THAT IS $46,000.>> I JUST HAD A COMMENT ON THAT.
I KNOW THAT WE HAD TALKED THAT THE CITY EMPLOYEES AREN'T ACTUALLY ON SOCIAL SECURITY, SO TMRS IS THE THING.
IT'S SOMEWHAT LIKE A 401(K) PLAN.
BUT AT 401(K) PLAN, TYPICALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATISTICS ARE TODAY, BUT I THINK THE AVERAGE THAT THE EMPLOYER PUTS INTO A 401(K) PLAN TODAY IS ABOUT 5%.
I THINK IT'S LIKE 4.7% ROUNDED OFF TO 5%.
WHAT A COMPANY WOULD PUT IN IF THEY ARE ON SOCIAL SECURITY WOULD BE 6.2%.
IF YOU PUT THE 6.2 AND ADD IT TO THE 4.7 THAT AN EMPLOYER WOULD TYPICALLY PUT INTO 401(K) PLAN, YOU'RE AT 11%?
>> WHEREAS AN EMPLOYER ALREADY PUTTING IN 12%.
AS I LOOK AT IT, THE CITY IS ACTUALLY PUTTING IN THE SAME AMOUNT OR TYPICAL OTHER TYPE OF NON-GOVERNMENTAL COMPANY OR WHATEVER WOULD PUT IN IN A TOTAL BASIS.
>> HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT. HOWEVER, THE DIFFERENCE IS IF AN EMPLOYEE LEAVES BEFORE THEY'VE BEEN HERE FIVE YEARS, THE EMPLOYEE LOSES EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY PUTS HIM.
T MORRIS TELLS US WHAT THE CITY'S RATE IS EVERY YEAR.
SOME YEARS THAT RATE MIGHT BE 9%.
THERE'S SOME YEARS IT MIGHT BE 13% DEPENDS ON WHAT THE BALANCE IS TO BE ABLE TO COVER RETIREMENT.
>> WHAT THE EMPLOYER PUTS IN US.
BUT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, IT WAS 9%, 9.7% WAS WHAT THE CITY'S PORTION WAS TO PAY IN.
WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WHENEVER THE PRIVATE SECTOR OR IF IT'S A 401(K), WHATEVER THE COMPANY PUTS INTO THAT, THAT'S THE EMPLOYEES' MONEY IN THAT ACCOUNT.
IF THEY WERE TO EVER PULL IT OUT, THEY GET WHATEVER THE EMPLOYER PUTS IN THERE.
>> THAT'S NOT EXACTLY TRUE BECAUSE YOU TYPICALLY INVEST INTO.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, YOU HAVE TO ESTIMATE.
BUT ONCE YOU INVESTED, ONCE YOU PULL IT OUT AND YOU GET ALL OF THE EMPLOYER'S PORTION ALSO.
IN THE SAME WAY THERE IS INVESTMENT PERIOD FOR THIS. IT'S FIVE YEARS.
IF YOU DON'T MAKE IT TO FIVE YEARS, THEN YOU LOSE THE CITY'S PORTION IF YOU WERE TO PULL THE MONEY OUT.
ALSO, LET'S SAY YOU GO TO RETIRE.
WHEN YOU RETIRE, YOU START PULLING THE FUNDS THAT YOU WERE CONTRIBUTION IS.
THAT IF YOU PASS AWAY, THEN THE MONEY THAT THE CITY HAD BEEN PUTTING IN FOR YOU, IF YOU'VE NEVER COLLECTED ALL THAT MONEY, WELL THEN IT GOES BACK INTO THE CITY'S FUND.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S PROPERTY OF THE EMPLOYEE.
IT'S JUST FOR THEIR LIFE OR WHATEVER THEY DESIGNATED.
THERE'S A REALLY GOOD CHANCE YOU'LL NEVER GET THAT THE EMPLOYEE IS NEVER GOING TO SEE THAT FULL 12%, 14%, WHATEVER THAT THE CITY IS PUTTING IN.
>> BUT IT'S LIKE A FIVE-YEAR HELPS TO KEEP THEM OR I GUESS IF THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE IT, RIGHT?
>> YOU'RE RIGHT. IT DOES HELP RETAIN, YES.
IT IS INCENTIVE FOR EMPLOYEES TO STICK AROUND TO GET TO THAT VESTED PERIOD. YES.
>> NOW IT SEEMS I REMEMBER SOMETHING BEING PASSED A FEW YEARS AGO THAT GIVE PEOPLE THAT COME INTO THE CITY THAT HAVE HAD PREVIOUS CITY SERVICE BENEFIT, DOES THAT AFFECT THE FIVE-YEAR?
>> IT DOESN'T, BUT IT'D BE UNFUNDED.
SAY SOMEBODY HAD PRIOR EXPERIENCE, FOR EXAMPLE, MYSELF, I WORKED MY FIRST JOB.
IT WASN'T A TMRS A TMR RECOGNIZED IT IS SOMETHING WHERE THEY WOULD GIVE YOU PRIOR SERVICE CREDIT.
WHENEVER I LEFT, I COULDN'T PUT MONEY INTO TMRS THAT MONEY, BUT THEY GAVE ME CREDIT FOR THAT TIME, BUT IT'S UNFUNDED CREDIT.
THAT'S ALL IT'S DOING IS IT'S NOT AN INCREASED COST TO THE CITY AND SEASONAL HAVE TO PAY ANY EXTRA MONEY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS AS FAR AS YOUR RETIREMENT ELIGIBILITY.
IN THE SAME WAY AS IF AN EMPLOYEE WORKED AT ANOTHER CITY AND THEY HAD CONTRIBUTED MONEY IN THERE AND THEY NEVER PULLED IT OUT, WELL, THEN THAT WOULD TRANSFER OVER,
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BUT WE WOULDN'T BE ON THE HOOK FOR THAT MONEY.IT WOULD BE WHATEVER CITY THEY WERE WORKING FOR OR LET'S SAY THEY PULL THE MONEY OUT, THEY PULL THE MONEY OUT AND THEN THEY LOOSE SOME PORTION.
>> FROM MY VIEWPOINT, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR SO THAT COMPANIES PUTTING IN OR THE CITY IS PUTTING IN 12%, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
BUT ON THE EMPLOYEES SIDE, YOU'RE PUTTING IN 6%.
>> WHEREAS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, I GUESS WE CAN PUT IN AS MUCH AS WE WANT.
WELL, THE CAP ON THE 401(K) PLAN AND WE'RE PUTTING IN 6% ON SOCIAL SECURITY WHICH EVENTUALLY MAY OR MAY NOT SOMEDAY COME BACK TO US.
IS THERE OTHER VEHICLES FOR CITY EMPLOYEE TO PUT MONEY ASIDE PRE-TAX?
>> YES, SIR. WE HAVE A 457 DEFERRED COMPENSATION.
THE BOYS CAN CONTRIBUTE UP TO WHATEVER THE HOUR ESTIMATE IS, SOMEWHERE AROUND $20,000.
THERE'S A MATCH ON THAT EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION.
THAT TAKES US INTO THE NEXT ITEM THERE IS THE DEFERRED COMPENSATION.
THIS ONE IS FOR ONE OF THE FEW CITIES.
IT DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIAL SECURITY.
MOST CITIES HAVE TMRS AND THE PARTICIPANTS SOCIAL SECURITY.
SINCE THE CITY NEVER OPTED INTO SOCIAL SECURITY, THEN WE CAN'T PARTICIPATE.
IF WE DID, I THINK THERE'S THIS BIG KETCHUP OR WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND BACK, PAY ALL THIS MONEY STUFF, AND SO THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE.
A COUPLE OF OTHER CITIES, WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS INSTEAD OF PARTICIPATING IN SOCIAL SECURITY, THEY WILL GIVE A PERCENT TO MATCH EMPLOYEE'S CONTRIBUTION INTO A DEFERRED COMPENSATION UP TO A CERTAIN PERCENT.
THIS WAS JUST SHOWING WHAT THAT IMPACT WOULD BE IF THE CITY ADOPTED THAT AND DID A 3% MATCH, SO THAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT OF IMPLEMENTING THAT CHANGE.
THEN THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE VISION INSURANCE.
OF ALL THE CITIES I LOOKED AT, THE EMPLOYERS PAY THE EMPLOYEE'S PORTION.
VISION INSURANCE, IT'S $88 A YEAR PER EMPLOYEE, SO THAT AMOUNTED TO ABOUT $2,500.
>> [LAUGHTER] I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT MEDICAL SAVINGS ACCOUNTS AND THE OTHER ONE.
>> HEALTH SAVINGS AND MEDICAL SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
[LAUGHTER] THOSE TWO ITEMS THAT THE CITY, BRIAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE CITY HAS THOSE OPTIONS FOR EMPLOYEES TO USE TO PUT TAX-DEFERRED OR PRE-TAX DOLLARS INTO.
>> TO USE TO PAY FOR, WHICH COULD BE THIS TYPE OF EXPENSE.
>> SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE BOTH OPTIONS.
HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN, THEN YOU CAN DO THE HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
BUT IF YOU DO A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT, YOU CAN'T DO THE FLEXIBLE SPENDING ACCOUNTS, SO YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH, YOU CAN HAVE ONE OF THOSE.
BUT YEAH, WE HAVE BOTH OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
>> AND WE OFFER THE VISION INSURANCE, WE JUST DON'T PAY FOR IT.
>> IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE OFFER THAT WE DON'T PAY FOR.
>> THAT WOULD BE WELL, WE HAVE AFLAC, THEN WE WE HAVE THAT'S AVAILABLE.
>> SO THESE ARE NICE BENEFITS FOR THE CITY TO BE PROVIDING TO EMPLOYEES TO GET AT A LOWER COST THAN THEY COULD GET IN THE OUTSIDE MARKET FOR SURE.
AND I REALLY AM A FAN OF THESE PRE-TAXABLE MONIES TO BE ABLE TO USE THOSE BECAUSE IT'S A LOT CHEAPER THAT WAY.
I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD BENEFIT THAT THE CITY PROVIDES TO THE EMPLOYEES, WHICH IS NICE.
>> AS FAR AS THE OTHER BENEFIT PLAN WOULD BE A LONG-TERM DISABILITY PLAN. SAME THING.
ALL THE SURROUNDING SISTER CITIES PROVIDE THAT FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES.
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WE DON'T HAVE A LONG-TERM DISABILITY, NOR DO WE HAVE A SHORT-TERM DISABILITY.SO THIS WOULD BE THE COST OF IMPLEMENTING LONG-TERM DISABILITY PLAN.
>> AS TERRY MENTIONED, I THINK THERE'S A GREAT BENEFITS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO THE CITY EMPLOYEES, SO LOOKS GOOD.
>> THEN OUTSIDE OF THE BENEFITS, THE ONLY OTHER TWO THAT WE HAD WERE REPLACEMENT FOR CBA UNITS FOR CONFERRED DEPARTMENT FOR THE ENGINE AND WERE THOSE EXPIRATION DATES OR?
>> I JUST WANT TO COME BACK TO THE BENEFITS FOR A MOMENT.
>> I APPRECIATE THE BENEFITS THE CITY HAS THAT THEY PROVIDE FOR PEOPLE.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE WOULD PAY FOR THESE ITEMS THAT ARE ON HERE.
>> WELL, HAVE A GOOD MISDIRECTION.
I'M JUST GOING OH, YEAH [INAUDIBLE].
>> NOW, I'LL ERASE ALL THESE CHECK MARKS.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE THERE IS A REQUEST FROM THE PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE TO DEFINE SOME OF THEIR SPECIAL EVENTS.
>> BACK TO TERRY'S QUESTION, IS THE CITY PROVIDED ANY LIFE INSURANCE PLAN, LIKE 50,000 OR ONE TIME SALARY OR ANYTHING?
>> SO THE CITY, THEY'RE COMPETITIVE WITH THE LIFE INSURANCE THEY PROVIDE 50,000 FOR EACH EMPLOYEE.
YES. WHEN WE GOT TO COST OUT, WE WOULD TO BE A [INAUDIBLE] MORE COVERAGE FOR SAYING NO.
>> AT THIS POINT, WHAT DO WE DO? WE SAY WHAT WERE IN FAVOR OF OR NEITHER? WE'RE SILENT.
>> YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE BUDGET.
BASED ON THE DE MINIMIS RATE OF TAX CALCULATION, I KNOW IT'S DEPENDENT UPON TONIGHT AND GIVING US DIRECTION ON THAT TOO AND ALL.
>> IS THIS BUDGET BASED THE DE MINIMIS OR THE OTHER DEAL?
>> YES, MA'AM, THE DE MINIMIS RATE.
>> SO BASED ON THAT, YOU DO HAVE WHAT WAS THAT HERE, 560,000 ALLOCATED TO DIFFERENT FUNDS.
YOU CAN USE THAT TO PAY FOR SUPPLEMENTALS, ALLOCATE THOSE TO STREETS, WHATEVER FUNDS YOU DEEM MEETING THOSE, YOU BELIEVE THAT NEED THOSE FUNDS.
>> OR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER PROJECT THAT YOU GUYS SUGGEST THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE BUDGET AS WELL.
>> SO THE SUPPLEMENTALS OR NOT ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE GENERAL BUDGET THAT WE REVIEWED.
>> THESE ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE OUT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE STARTED THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
THAT WAY IT'S ABSOLUTELY REOCCURRING COST THAT HASN'T BEEN IN THERE, SO WE SEPARATE THOSE OUT.
THAT WAY YOU GUYS CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONE AS A COUNCIL YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ADDED TO THAT BUDGET.
>> ANY QUESTION ON THE PARK SIDE? IN THE PARKS BUDGET, THERE'S ALSO A BUDGET FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.
SO IS THERE OTHER THING OTHER THAN PARKS FEST IS AN EVENT THAT COME OUT OF PARKS?
>> THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO OTHER EVENTS.
THEY HAVEN'T HAD THE FUNDS TO DO THEM BECAUSE THE SPARKLE FEST IT'S BEEN [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT'S BASED ON THE DONATIONS, RIGHT?
>> VERY EXPENSIVE AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY DONATIONS AS THEY WERE HOPING FOR.
>> THE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT'S IN THE BUDGET FOR THEM, THEY'RE GETTING DONATIONS RIGHT NOW SO THAT REVENUE WILL COME IN AND THEN THAT REVENUE HAS THE EXPENDITURE OVER THERE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.
>> SO THEY DON'T THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE 5,000 TO SPEND UNLESS THEY RAISE 5,000.
>> SO HOW DO WE WANT TO DO IT? WELL, IT'S NOT A VOTE.
SHOULD WE JUST GO THROUGH EACH ONE AND HAVE A SHOW OF HANDS OR WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO?
>> WHY DON'T WE START WITH THE FIRE? NOD YOUR HEAD.
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>> ON THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT?
>> YEAH, THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT. THE SUPPLEMENTAL.
>> IT'S ON THE TONIGHT'S AGENDA TONIGHT?
>> YES. TONIGHT, WHENEVER THOSE ARE DISCUSSED IF YOU GUYS DECIDE YES, WE WANT TO DO BOTH OF THESE, MAYBE GIVE DIRECTION TO SAY AND MAKE SURE THESE WERE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
>> IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, IF WE TAKE THE DE MINIMIS RATE, WHICH WOULD RESULT IN A 560,000 OVERAGE TO ALLOCATE AND IF WE APPROVED TO ALLOCATE ALL OF THE ITEMS ON BOTH SUPPLEMENTAL SHEETS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WOULD BE ABOUT 167,000 LEFT.
>> WE WOULDN'T TAKE THE SUPPLEMENTALS FOR THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT PLAN.
WE WOULDN'T TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THOSE ARE BEING PAID OUT OF A DIFFERENT FUND.
IT WOULD JUST BE THAT ONE SHEET THAT'S GOT THE LIST OF SEVEN SUPPLEMENTALS ON THAT.
>> WE TAKE THE 560 AND SUBTRACT THE 177 IF WE WERE WANTING TO DO THAT EVALUATION, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT?
>> THEN WHATEVER EXCESS REVENUE OR EXCESS SURPLUS OF FUNDS OR WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENT INCREASE IN TAXES THIS WOULD RESULT IN ON THE OVERCOME?
>> I HAVEN'T DONE THAT CALCULATION YET.
>> I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO ACKNOWLEDGE.
I'M VERY ENCOURAGED BY WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WORK AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE US MOVE THAT FORWARD AND HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO THAT.
BUT PART OF THAT IS BEING OPEN TO OUR RESIDENTS AS TO WHAT WE REALLY ARE TALKING ABOUT ON THEIR TAXES.
THE TAX RATE IS ONE THING, THE TAXES ARE ANOTHER.
>> HOLD ON A SEC. I'D LIKE TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT TODD FEG, COUNCIL MEMBER HAS NOW JOINED US.
>> I COME FROM BRECKENRIDGE BRINGING AS MUCH OF THE 42 DEGREES AS I WOKE UP THIS MORNING FOR ALL OF YOU.
>> [LAUGHTER] TERRY, GO AHEAD, I'M SORRY.
>> I THINK IT'S MORE THAN 10% JUST A QUICK CALCULATION TO THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE SO THAT IT'S ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS BUDGET AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
>> AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS ALLOCATING AN ADDITIONAL $400,000 TO FUND NUMBER 61-000-5001, WHICH IS THE TRANSFER FROM GENERAL FUND INTO THE STREET CONSTRUCTION FUND TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE OUR BUDGET FOR STREETS AND STREET REPAIRS.
>> I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE AND I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> I'D SUPPORT THAT TOO AND THEN WE WOULD AGREE.
>> WE WOULD HAVE SOME OF THAT MONEY WE HAD TALKED ABOUT TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THESE SUPPLEMENTAL ITEMS ALONG WITH THAT. THAT'LL GO A LONG WAY.
>> THAT WOULD STILL LEAVE HOW MUCH MONEY?
>> A HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND.
>> WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ALLOCATE THE REST OF THE MONEY TOWARDS THE SUPPLEMENTALS ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL RANKING SHEET, THAT REQUIRES 177,000.
WE'D BE OFF BY 10K OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> ALL OF THE BENEFITS I DON'T AGREE WITH.
THE DEFERRED COMPENSATION IS ONE THAT I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT THE CITY PROVIDES A PLAN.
LOOKING AT COLLIN COUNTY DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE TO A DEFERRED COMPENSATION PLAN AS I READ IT BUT THEY HAVE DEFERRED COMPENSATION PLANS FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE ADDING MORE FOR THAT PURPOSE.
THE OTHER ONE IS THE VISION INSURANCE.
WHILE IT MAY LOOK LIKE A SMALL NUMBER RIGHT NOW, THAT NUMBER CAN INCREASE OVER TIME AND I PERSONALLY THINK VISION INSURANCE IS OUR GRIP OFF
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AND SO I HAVE TROUBLE THINKING THAT'S A SMART THING TO DO.>> ACTUALLY, IF YOU'VE GOT CONTACTS OR GLASSES WE GET $200 A YEAR, I THINK, ALLOCATED.
IT DOES WORK OUT GOOD FOR THE EMPLOYEE.
I WILL SAY THAT BECAUSE I KNOW I'D GET $200 WITH CONTACTS EVERY YEAR.
>> I GUESS VISION INSURANCE IS CHEAP AND NOT EVERYBODY USES IT BECAUSE THEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE VISION ISSUES.
TYPICALLY EMPLOYERS GET A FANTASTIC RATE ON VISION INSURANCE AND PASS IT TO THE EMPLOYEES THEIR COST SO I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T COVER IT AS THE CITY.
LONG-TERM DISABILITY, I WOULD AGREE WITH.
WE SHOULD HAVE THAT, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.
DEFERRED COMP I WOULD AGREE WITH TERRY.
I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT THE 5,000, I GUESS IN COUNCIL BUDGET, I THINK 15 OVER WHAT THE WHOLE BUDGET WAS BEFORE MIGHT BE A STRETCH FOR US THAT 5,000.
I WOULD PROBABLY BE IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT, BUT STILL BE IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING IN THERE.
>> IN THE PARKS AND REC YOU'D BE IN FAVOR.
>> I MIGHT PASS SOMETHING OUT LIKE 10K.
THE REASON I SAY MORE THAN 5K IS THAT IF I REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEETINGS AGO THAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY NOT ONLY FACILITATING WITH THE PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED WITH, BUT THEY WERE ACTUALLY FLIPPING THE LEAD FOR ALSO.
I THINK THAT WE OWE THAT AT LEAST SOME BANDWIDTH TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET THE THING DONE WITHOUT HAVING TO DO IT THEMSELVES.
NOW IT'S OKAY IF OTHER PEOPLE AS A GROUP, MAYBE WE DO A BETTER JOB AT ACTUALLY DOING SOME FUNDRAISING AS A WHOLE COMMUNITY HAVE FUN TO PUT IT TOGETHER BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE PUT IN THEIR SHOULDERS. THAT'S JUST MY THING.
>> NOW THEY FEEL THAT THERE'S A CITY ORGANIZATION BUT THE CITY TAKES FULL CREDIT FOR WHEN WE HAVE A SUCCESSFUL EVENT.
THEY TRY VERY HARD TO GET DONORS BUT SOME YEARS IT'S DIFFICULT FROM THOSE.
THE MAIN THING THAT THEY REALLY NEED IS AND I CALL IT SEED MONEY FOR WANT OF A BETTER THING.
YOU GOT TO RUN YOUR TIP NOW, YOU GOT TO GET YOUR BAND NOW, YOU GOT TO DO THESE.
YOU MIGHT GET DONORS, BUT YOU CAN'T GET YOUR 10TH BUYER.
THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
>> THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IN-BETWEEN BECAUSE IT'S LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT IF THEY DON'T GET ANYTHING, THEN THEY DON'T GET ANYTHING SO WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.
>> THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO THE TREE LIGHTING, THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME UP WITH THE SPRING EVENT.
LIKE I SAID, THEY'VE GOT GREAT IDEAS AND GREAT ENERGY WE GOT TO HELP THEM GET THROUGH THAT AND THEY'RE DOING THINGS TO HELP [INAUDIBLE].
IT JUST TAKES TIME TO BUILD IT UP.
>> WE'LL TALK MORE. WE STARTED SOME CONVERSATIONS ON THIS, BUT I HAVE SOME IDEAS ALSO.
IT'S AMAZING HOW PEOPLE WILL SHOW UP FOR A PLATE OF BARBECUE AND SPEND $20 AND POP, SIT DOWN AND DO IT AND THEN YOU ADD THAT UP AND THEY DON'T REALLY THINK ANYTHING OF IT BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO GO OUT FOR DINNER AND THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND $45 FOR IT.
THE IDEA IS THAT I THINK THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE THE COMMUNITY PUTS SOMETHING INTO IT NOW THIS BUDGET BECOMES POSITIVE, PLUS THEY HAVE SOME MONEY ON TOP OF IT SO WE DEAL WITH IT.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT DEFERRED COMP.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE CURRENTLY PARTICIPATING IN THE DEFERRED COMP PLAN?
>> I BELIEVE THERE ARE EIGHT PEOPLE PARTICIPATING.
>> ALL EMPLOYEES ARE NOT IN THE DEFERRED COMP PLAN, WHICH IS I GUESS ANOTHER REASON.
TMRS EVERYBODY PARTICIPATES IN AND I LIKE THAT EVERYBODY IS GETTING THAT BENEFIT.
>> QUESTION. IS COUNCIL OKAY WITH TMRS OR.
>> YES FOR LONGEVITY, YES FOR TMRS,
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NO DEFERRED, NO VISION, YES LONGEVITY.>> YEAH, LONG-TERM, SORRY. YES ON SBA?
>> THEN ADVANCED 10,000 FOR PARKER FEST.
>> I THINK YOU GOT IT, EXACTLY.
>> THEN WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE THE EXCESS FUNDS PUT INTO THE TRANSFER TO THE STREET RECONSTRUCTION FUND?
>> OR DRAINAGE OR SOMETHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.
>> IF IT'S IN THAT FONT IT COULD GO INTO EITHER ONE OF THOSE, CORRECT?
>> YES, THAT'S RIGHT. LET'S JUST DUMP IT INTO ONE BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO MANAGE ESPECIALLY WHERE I'M GOING TO SEE.
>> ONCE WE BID IT OUT, WE'LL TAKE THAT MONEY FROM THERE AND LET IT ALL BE BID OUT AND ALLOCATED TO THAT CONSTRUCTION FUND. GOOD.
>> YOU JUST SAID IT FOUR MINUTES TO SPARE GRANT, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING ALL THE INFORMATION TOGETHER.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO THE PAGE NUMBERS AND ALL THAT STUFF BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
IF THEY WERE ON EXCEL SHEETS SO WE CAN LOOK AT THE COLUMN NUMBERS, IT'D BE EASY, BUT I THOUGHT WE NAVIGATED THROUGH VERY WELL.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT INFORMATION.
>> JUST TO ALSO LET YOU KNOW THE RULES, AT LEAST ONE CHANGE.
I KNOW WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE LINE ITEMS. THAT'D BE REFLECTED AND WHATEVER SAVINGS FROM THAT ALSO WE PUT INTO THE STREETS.
>> THANKS, GRANT. THANKS, EVERYONE.
>> IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE, WE ARE ADJOURNED FROM THIS MEETING.
I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.