[CALL TO ORDER]
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>> [NOISE] [INAUDIBLE] AT THIS TIME [INAUDIBLE]
>> YES MADAM MAYOR, HOW ARE YOU DOING?
[1. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN (CIP)]
[INAUDIBLE] THIS IS MORE OF A WORKSHOP.HELLO. EVERYBODY GOT ONE [INAUDIBLE] CITY ADMINISTRATOR I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DID THIS OR PURITY DID THIS.
>> CAN GREEN AND I LIKE CODE JOINTLY WORK AS A TEAM TO WORK TOGETHER, HAD BEEN WORKING ON THIS TABLET EQUIPMENT CLIENT WITH COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF FOR THEM.
I'D LIKE TO PLEAD WITH MR. REED, HE'S GOING TO LEAD AND I'M GOING TO PROVIDE THESE LONG HOPEFULLY WITH MR. RACADO AND MR. REED.
>> IF YOU WANT, YOU CAN PUT THAT OTHER SLIDE BACKUP, THEN YOU'D HAVE THE POWERPOINT.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. I DIDN'T MEAN TO MEASURE OUT.
OBVIOUSLY JUST TO BRING EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE, SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
I WANTED TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND, THE CURRENT SITUATION AND PATH FORWARD.
THE OBJECTIVE ACTION OF THIS REVIEW ISN'T CHANGED EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T CHANGED THIS SINCE ACTUALLY NOVEMBER, DECEMBER TIMEFRAME, BUT THERE WAS A BORING SAMPLE AGREEMENT FROM THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT DRAINAGE IMPACT, OVERALL COSTS AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THIS IS.
BUT JUST FOR REFERENCE, WHEN WE DID THE CIP, WE DID THE SAME THING, SO I HAVE JUST DID DEFINITION OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN COORDINATES ALL THE STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR FINANCIAL CAPACITY AND PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT MAYOR PEDAL HAS GONE THROUGH WHAT SOME OF THAT INVOLVES AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT INVOLVED.
AS WE GROW, WE DECIDED AND TERRY HAD SPEARHEADED THIS INITIALLY WHEN I JOINED LATER ON, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A FIVE-YEAR CIP, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS IT AT LEAST WE DIDN'T ABOUT FORMALIZED ONES.
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THE COMMITTEE WAS ASSIGNED TO UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF THESE PROJECTS.KEY TOPICS WERE ADDRESSED, INCLUDING SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, EVEN THOUGH WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT NOT BEING ON THERE, BUT IT WAS ALSO INCLUDED AND ROAD INTEGRITY WAS A PART OF THE OVERALL NEEDED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED.
THE GOAL HERE IN THE BIG PICTURE FOR THE CIP IS UNDERSTAND THE FULL VIEW OF THE CAPITAL NEEDS OF THE CITY.
FUTURE DISCUSSIONS WILL BE ADDRESSED ON THAT AND I THINK THAT FITS IN WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER NOAH WAS TALKING ABOUT. I THINK THAT FITS WELL.
IF I'M TO BOTTOM LINE THIS IMMEDIATE GOAL AND LONG-TERM GOAL, AND I KNOW A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE ASKING WHAT WE WANT TO DO FOR ROADS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME NEAR-TERM NEEDS, THERE ARE LONGER-TERM NEEDS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AS A GROUP, AND WE NEED TO MELT THOSE TOGETHER IN AN OVERALL PLAN, BUT WE CAN SET THAT TOGETHER.
THE IMMEDIATE GOAL WAS TO UNDERSTAND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE CITY IS WITH THE BUDGETING PROJECT.
COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE RESIDENTS, IT INVOLVED THE NEEDS THE STREETS AS ONE ITEM.
THEN LONGER-TERM, WE WANT TO LOOK AT CITY STREETS SUCH THAT THEIR CONDITION IS AT LEAST FAIR OR BETTER.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE ASSESSMENT THAT WE'VE DONE A WHILE BACK, THAT WAS NOT IN PLACE PRIOR TO THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE BEING PUT TOGETHER EITHER, SO THAT'S A GOOD PIECE OF INFORMATION WE CAN REVIEW.
THEN WE WANT TO ADDRESS ALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND PRIORITIZE THOSE AFTER THAT.
WE CAN USE THIS AND I MIGHT DEFER TO TERRY, IF WE WANT TO GO INTO MORE DETAILS ABOUT THIS, BUT I'LL DO THIS VERY QUICKLY IS THAT IN 2021 THERE WAS A STREET ASSESSMENT SURVEY THAT WAS CONDUCTED.
THE ASSESSMENT IS SHOWN HERE AND IT SHOWS IT BETWEEN COLLECTOR AND RESIDENTIAL STREETS AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL.
WE CAN LOOK AT THESE IN DETAIL.
LUKE HAS ALL OF THE INFORMATION IN THE PACKET THAT GOES THROUGH ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IN DETAIL SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT IN ESSENCE, IN TERMS OF LINEAR FEET, THERE'S 273,000 IN TOTAL, AND OF THAT, IT'S SPLIT UP BETWEEN THE COLLECTOR STREETS AND THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
THEN THE BULLETS TO THE LEFT, YOU CAN READ, WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT.
BUT THE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS IS IT WAS CALCULATED TO GIVE US A RATING OF WHERE THE STREETS ARE, WHETHER THEY'RE POOR OR LINE POOR, VERY POOR, SEVERE OR FAILED.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT BEFORE AT ALL.
IT WAS JUST AN ASSESSMENT OF WHAT SOMEONE SAID, I APPRECIATE GARY AND HIS TEAM, AS WELL AS OUR ENGINEERING STAFF GOING THROUGH AND GETTING THIS DONE.
THAT'S ALRIGHT. SEEMED TO NEXT LINE IS OKAY.
THIS WAS JUST AN ASSAY AS AN AERIAL VIEW OF OUR CITY, SHOWING THAT THERE ARE STREETS ALL OVER THE CITY, THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE HEARING THIS FROM OUR RESIDENTS.
BUT THE REASON TO SHOW THIS IS THAT THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THIS BY GEOGRAPHICAL AREA OR WE COULD DO IT BY, IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT JUST FEEDER ROADS THAT HAVE MORE TRAFFIC FLOW, ETC.
BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF AREAS YOU CAN SEE THE RED ONES AND THE ORANGE ONES ARE THE ONES THAT NEED WORK, SO I JUST WANTED TO SHOW IT FROM A GEOGRAPHICAL PERSPECTIVE.
THEN THIS JUST LOOKS AT IT IN TERMS OF DOLLARS, THESE ARE JUST PROJECTED DOLLARS THAT WE DID BASED ON JUST A VERY BROAD BRUSH.
I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT MAINLY A REMIX CONSIDERATION, BUT WE WENT THROUGH AND WE DID AN ASSESSMENT OF THIS.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS IS WHERE I THINK WE NEED TO DIG IN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT BOTTOM GRAPH THERE IT TALKS ABOUT OVERLAY REMIXED, RECONSTRUCT OUR CONCRETE AND ASPHALT, JUST A QUICK OVERLAY IS LIKE $110, I THINK, AND THEN IT GOES 245 FOR AN OVERLAY.
>> OKAY, IT'S IN THE NEXT SLIDE THERE, I GUESS.
THIS IS THE IDEA HERE IS THAT WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WANT TO DO ON THE STREETS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION HAS BEEN PUT TOGETHER.
I THINK THAT YOU MENTIONED IT VERY WELL WHEN YOU WERE IN THE MEETING THAT ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO, [LAUGHTER] IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.
I THINK WE NEED TO JUST GO THROUGH THAT.
BUT HERE IT SHOWS THAT 315 PER SQUARE FOOT SHOULD BE ADDED FOR SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT AREAS IF THAT HAPPENS.
AT ANY RATE, THE IDEA HERE IS THAT THIS JUST GIVES YOU SOME IDEA OF THE COST.
IT CAN BE $600 OR SO FOR LOOKING AT CONCRETE, IT CAN BE IN THE 390, ALMOST $400, IF YOU DO A REMIXED WITH AN OVERLAY IN A FLEX BASE.
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FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THROUGH DISCUSSIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH GARY, DISCUSSIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH ALL OF OUR ENGINEERING STAFF IS THAT THAT MIGHT BE A PRETTY GOOD WAY TO GO TO GET US SOME LONGEVITY.OTHERWISE, THEY WON'T DO THAT POTENTIALLY.
BUT DRAINAGE IS ALSO AN IMPACT THERE, SO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT.
I THINK THAT BRINGS ME TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AND I THINK AFTER THIS NEXT SLIDE I'LL BE DONE. YES. QUESTION.
>> QUICK QUESTION BACK AT SLIDE 2.
THE QUESTION THERE IS THAT WE SAVED $30,000 FOR PUTTING IN CONCRETE, BUT THE QUESTION IS AS I LOOKED AT LIKE THE BOARD EXAMPLES OR X AMOUNT FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU HAVE [INAUDIBLE] ALMOST A THIRD OF THE ENTIRE BID WAS [INAUDIBLE] THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER COSTS INVOLVED AND DISCRETE OTHER THAN THE MATERIALS COST.
IF WE LOOK AT THIS, IT MEANS [INAUDIBLE]
>> JOHN, I'LL LET YOU ANSWER THAT.
>> I SLEPT SINCE WE [LAUGHTER] BUT I'LL PUT THESE TOGETHER BACK TO HERE.
BUT I BROUGHT SOME NOTES. WHEN WE PUT THESE TOGETHER, AND WORK WITH OTHER CIP COMMITTEES IN THE PAST WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET A MAGNITUDE FOR COMPARISON OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE HAVE THE MATERIAL COST, AS YOU'VE SAID, WE HAVE SOME EROSION CONTROL, WE'VE GOT SOME NEW SOLID SIDE TYPE THINGS IN THERE.
AS WE GET OUR NUMBER TOGETHER, TRYING TO MAKE THAT COMPARISON SO WE CAN GET INTO KNOWING THAT WE WANT TO DO COPPERY STREETS, OR WE WANT TO DO ASPHALT STREETS.
THEN YOU GO OUT TO THAT INDIVIDUAL STREET THAT YOU HAVE AND SAY, WHAT DOES IT TAKE? BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT.
AS YOU TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC CONTROL OR TAKE CARE OF THE WATERLINE, TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE, IS JUST A BIG NUMBER.
SOME OF THEM WILL REQUIRE A BRIDGE OR MAJOR CULVERT SOME BLUEBERRY MIND.
THIS IS REALLY JUST A MAGNITUDE EXERCISE.
>> DOES IT INCLUDE THE DEMOGRAPHIC FLOWS [INAUDIBLE]
>> YEAH, THE BLACK BARRICADES IN THAT, NO, WE HAVE NOT INCLUDED THAT ON A PER FOOT ON WHAT SEE IN MY NOTES.
WE GET TO MORE DETAILED, AND WE START TO INCLUDE THOSE SENTENCES.
DIFFERENT STREETS REQUIRE DIFFERENT NUMBERS FOR BARRICADES PHASE AND FORCES IN THE PROJECT.
WE'RE GOING TO STRIPE IT OR WE'RE NOT CONSTRUCTING IT.
THE SIDES, THEY'RE NOT SIDEWALKS, NO SIDEWALKS.
THIS REALLY GETS DOWN TO THIS MATERIAL COST, PAYMENT ITSELF.
THEN YOU HAVE $315 FOR MAJOR DRAINAGE, AND PREVIOUS WHATEVER THOSE.
WE HAD A PROPOSAL TO GO OUT, AND LOOK AT A NUMBER OF STREETS.
WE TRIED TO TYPE THOSE NUMBERS DOWN, AND AT THAT POINT, I WANTED TO SPEND THAT MONEY.
VISITED YOUR BACK, START TO DO SOME OF THOSE DETAILS NUMBERS FOR THOSE SPECIFIC STREETS AND THOSE STREETS WERE THE ONES THAT WERE RATED 35-40 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEN YOU TALKED ABOUT SOIL BORINGS, THE BILLING THAT THERE WAS A QUOTE FROM A GEOTAG LAB THAT I HAVE $25,000 YOU MAY DO THOSE ABOUT EVERY 500 FEET DEPENDING ON, DO YOU DO ALL THE STREETS, DO YOU DO REPRESENTATIVE AMOUNT? WE NEVER REALLY MOVED FORWARD ON THAT.
>> STILL TO THOSE SAME QUESTIONS.
>> YOU CAN PROBABLY ADD 2500 [OVERLAPPING].
>> TWENTY TONES OVERHEAD OR WHEREVER YOU MAY GET 25.
>> YEAH, A CONTINGENCY OF 25%.
>> WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THOSE IN 2022, PRICES WERE HIGH.
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THEY HAVE E EASE SOME, I'LL NEVER COME BACK TO WHERE THEY WERE.THEY'LL COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
INSTEAD OF WE KEEP INCREASING AGAIN AND NEVER GO DOWN AND NEVER STABILIZE.
COST-WISE WHAT WE SAW DURING THE '70S AND '90S, THOSE DAYS ARE GONE.
THE WORLD ECONOMY IT'S ALWAYS THIS NOW.
>> WE CAN SAY THE DECREASE ON THE TIME THAT WE DID, THE 3%, 5% TIME.
>> VERY SMALL. [LAUGHTER] YOU'RE ABLE TO GET SUPPLIES, YOU'RE ABLE TO GET A RELIABLE AND CONCRETE DELIVERIES.
CONCRETE IS ALWAYS A SHORTAGE OF SOMETHING.
THEN YOU ARE RIGHT NOW IN THE PERIOD THAT EVERYBODY GET ALL THE CONCRETE THEY WANT.
TWO YEARS AGO, YOU WERE ADDED, AND SIGN UP FOR IT THREE MONTHS IN ADVANCE, AND THEN THEY CANCEL OUT.
>> WE GOT OUT LATER TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS I HAVEN'T TALKED TO FLEE ABOUT THE PAST.
GOING OUT THROUGH AND BEING IN THE SMALLER CITY, IN THE FACE OF JOBS THAT SOMETIMES.
FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, IF WE LOOK AT THESE CLUSTERS OR PROPERTIES, ARE THIS LIKE IN GENERAL AND LEAVING A TOUGHER SIGN TOUGHER TIME FINDING.
>> IT REALLY ALL DEPENDS ON THE MARKET.
>> IT ALL REALLY DEPENDS ON THE MARKET.
HOW HUNGRY THEY ARE, HOW MUCH WORK IS OUT THERE, IF YOU HAVE A VERY SMALL PROJECT, WHETHER IT'S HERE OR IN PLANO, TEXAS IS GOING TO COST YOU MORE.
IF YOU HAVE A LARGER PROJECT OF MILES OF ROAD, THERE'S A LOT OF EFFICIENCIES AND BECOME IN THE SEA THAT HAD BID PRICES.
UP TO THIS POINT, YOU-ALL ALLOTTED ABOUT $300,000 A YEAR AND THAT'S WHAT TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS, AND THEIR PRICES REFLECT THAT.
IS IT A REALLY HIGH SPIKE? PROBABLY NOT. BUT IT IS AN INCREASE FOR SMALLER PROJECT.
IF YOU CAME IN, AND SAID WE WANT TO SPEND TWO MILLION DOLLARS, AND WE WANT TO DO IT OVER 50 STREETS, THE PRICES ARE GOING TO BE HIGHER.
YOU HAVE TWO MILLION, AND IT'S ON 1 OR 2 MILES OF ROAD IS GOING TO BE CHEAPER THAN MATTER WHEN YOU'RE IN PARKER IN PLANO.
>> VERY SIMILAR OR THE $200,000 CONTRACTORS THAT WERE LISTED IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER [INAUDIBLE].
>> CONTRACTORS, THAT THEY ARE EXPERIENCING THE SAME AS EVERYBODY ELSE IS.
THEY CAN'T FIND WORKERS, WHERE WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH WORK.
VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE PAST, WE HAD MANY, MANY CONTRACTORS BITING INTO BOTH BE FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE, NOW YOU'RE DOWN TO A HANDFUL, AND THEY START TO PICK, AND CHOOSE.
>> DEPENDING ON WHEN YOU BID OR ASPHALT PLANTS UP OR DOWN.
WHAT'S THE PRICE OF OIL FOR ASPHALT? ALL THOSE THINGS, AND PLAYING EVERY DAY IS DIFFERENT.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE BIDDING THAT SAME DAY YOU'RE BIDDING.
>> THIS POINT HERE IN BOOMING AT THIS ICING THAT YOU SAW ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THERE WOULD ALSO HAVE AVAILABLE IS FOR EACH OF THESE THREE IS WE HAVE STUDIED THERE ARE NOT TRAFFIC VOLUMES FOR EACH OF THOSE THREE.
WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH MR. MACHADO UNDER THE CONDITION OF THE SCREEN TO FIND OUT HOW POOR IT IS IF THERE'S A BRAIN INJURY OR NOT.
WHAT SURFACE IT IS? WHAT ARE CONNECTOR OR WHAT STREETS RELY ON THIS THREE? OR IS IT AN INDEPENDENT STREET, THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT IT'S ALWAYS A STANDALONE SCREEN THAN OTHER CARS ARE PASSING THROUGH IT AS WELL.
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WE TRIED TO LOOK AT ALL OF THAT.A WELL, ANOTHER THING WE LOOKED AT IS THE PATH, AND I FORGET HOW MANY YEARS HAVE SEEN THAT YOUR BIRKHOFF BROUGHT SOMETHING TODAY THAT YOU MIGHT GET INTO LATER AS WELL? WE LOOKED AT THE PREVIOUS REPAIR RENOVATION THAT WERE DONE ON THE STREETS, SO THAT WE WERE AWARE OF THEM, AND WE THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE DECIDE WHICH STREET WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON.
>> THAT CAN BE IMPORTANT. ALSO, THERE'S A NUMBER OF REPAIRS, AND MAYBE REPAIR IS GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT MIGHT HAVE TO GO UNDER A DIFFERENT TYPE OF REPAIR THERE.
MAYBE A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION RATHER THAN PUTTING MONEY ON SOMETHING, FILLING IN SOME CASES, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT YOU DID AT $100 OVERLAY ON SOMETHING, IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS, BUT THEN WHEN IT BREAKS OUT, AND MAY ACTUALLY BE IN POOR CONDITION THAT IT WASN'T BEFORE.
IT WAS ACTUALLY, AND NOW SO WE CONSIDER.
>> WHAT ARE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO PREVENT THE LOCATION AND FIND WHAT SEEMS TO WORK REALLY WELL FOR THESE TYPES OF SOLAR SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
>> JUST A LITTLE HISTORY WHEN WE FIRST STARTED WITH THE CITY WOULD GO OUT, AND PAY CERTAIN ROADS IN RE-MIX IN BID IT, HAVE IT DONE, AND WHAT WE WERE SEEING IS A LOT OF CRACKING IN THESE ROADS, AND IN PROBLEMS. IT TOOK ME A ONE OR TWO CYCLES, AND CONVINCED THE CITY AT THAT TIME, THE HIGHER TESTING LAB.
WE'RE GOING TO RE-MIX IT THAT YOU ACTUALLY CHECK THE COMPACTION, AND MAKE SURE YOUR SUB-GRADE IS SOUND, THAT'S THE ROOT CAUSE OF ANY PAVEMENT FAILURE, IS THE SUB-GRADE FAILURES.
ONCE WE STARTED TO DO THAT, THE ROADS ARE STARTING TO HOLD UP BETTER, AND THEN WE STARTED TO BRING IN, THIS PAVED GLASS GRID PRODUCTS THAT I MENTIONED THAT THE COUNCIL MEETING REINFORCED THE ASPHALT, AND THAT HAS BEEN HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL.
WE ARE NOW ABLE TO REMIX OR OVERLAY AND WE DON'T SEE CRACKS.
>> THAT IS WITH RESPECT TO THE STATEMENT YOU JUST MADE, WHICH IS TO PUT THE GLASS PAVE OVER THE EXISTING ROAD.
ARE THERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING ROADS SUCH THAT IF IT GETS TO A CERTAIN POINT, THEN DOING THAT OVERLAY ISN'T GOING TO BE A GOOD APPROACH.
I WONDERED IF YOU COULD DESCRIBE WHAT CONDITIONS SHOULD THAT LOWER INITIAL SURFACE OF THE ROAD BEEN BEFORE WE LOOK AT PUTTING THE GLASS PAPER.
IF YOU DON'T MIND ELABORATING.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THEN WE CAN SAY THAT WE WANT TO DO AN OVERLAY.
AN OVERLAY IS REALLY EXTENDING THE LIFE OF THE ORIGINAL PAVEMENT, WHETHER IT IS ASPHALT, CONCRETE, YOU'LL SEE TEXTILE OVERLAY ROADS.
ALL THEY'RE DOING IS EXTENDING THE LIFE OF THE ORIGINAL PAINTING SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT IT AND NOW OVERLAYS, GRIND OVERLAY 30, 40 YEARS BECAUSE IT'S COST-EFFECTIVE TO BUILD IT AND REBUILT IT.
AS YOU LOOK AT A ROAD IS IF THERE'S A LOT OF BASE FAILURES AND BASE FAILURES, YOU CAN PRETTY WELL SEE A LOT OF DEPRESSIONS, ALLIGATOR CRACKING. THE BASE IS GONE.
AS I'VE TOLD THE CITY, YOU CAN OVERLAY IT ALL YOU WANT AS JIM SAID, IT WILL FAIL PRETTY QUICK.
YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A SOUND BASE TO GET STARTED TO DO THIS KIND OF OVERLAY.
THERE'S JUST CERTAIN AREAS IN THE ROAD THAT WE CAN REPAIR.
WE'LL GO IN AND WE'LL REPAIR THOSE AND THEN WE'LL PUT THE FABRIC DOWN AND OVERLAY.
THE COUNCIL MEETING, I THINK OF THE STREET, BUT IT'S DONNA.
DONNA WAS AN ASPHALT ROAD THAT WE DID AN OVERLAY.
WE WERE VERY CLEAR WHERE WE WANTED TO DO A COUPLE OF PATCHING, DIG IT UP, FIX THE DEPRESSION, THE ALLIGATOR CRACKING FOR WHATEVER REASON IT DIDN'T GET DONE.
PUT THE FABRIC DOWN, THEY OVERLAID.
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HE COULDN'T WAIT TO GET RID OF THEM [OVERLAPPING] AND THAT HAS BEEN TWO YEARS, THREE.AND WITH THIS FIBERGLASS MAT THAT WE PUT DOWN THOSE BAD AREAS HAVE NOT COME BACK TO THE SURFACE YET.
YOU ARE GOING TO GO BACK AND DRIVE THIS PAST WEEK.
IT DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB, EVEN OVER BAD ROADS.
[OVERLAPPING] I WOULD TELL YOU YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO FAIL SOONER THAN THE REST OF THE ROADS.
IF WE LOOK AT A ROAD IN THESE BAD AREAS AS FIX THOSE OVERLAY, EXTEND THE LIFE COURSE.
THE OTHER WAY WE USE THE GLASS PAVE, IS WHERE THE ROAD IS, IS TOO FAR GONE, IT'S NOT WORTH PUTTING ANY MORE OVERLAYS ON IT.
THROWING THE MONEY AWAY, THAT YOU SPEND THE MONEY AND RE-MIX.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THERE SHOULD BE A ROCK TYPE BASE UNDER THERE AND WE DON T KNOW WHAT ALLOW THESE ROADS ARE DOING SOME SORT OF ORANGE WHICH WOULD HELP TELL US THAT WE PUT ABOUT 32 POUNDS OF CEMENT IN AND WE MIX THE BASE AND THE ASPHALT ON TOP AND GRIND IT ALL UP, MIX IT.
AND WE'RE REALLY MAKING A RIGID BASE NOW AND PUTTING A FLEXIBLE RIDING SURFACE ON TOP.
AGAIN, RESIDENTIAL STREETS, LOT OF CITIES DO IT BECAUSE IT IS ECONOMICAL TO DO.
WHAT HAPPENS IS RIGID BASE BECAUSE OF THE SOILS WILL MOVE OR CRAFT, REFLECTIVE CRACKS COME UP.
WITHIN 6-9 MONTHS LONGITUDINALLY.
WHEN WE STARTED TO USE THE LAST PAGE.
WE WOULD PUT THE RE-MIX IT YOU GOT TO PUT SOME AN INCH AND A HALF OR HOT MIX OR LESS IF HE GETS THE SMALLER AGGREGATE, WHICH IS, IT'S BEEN HARD TO GET AROUND HERE.
THEN YOU PUT THE FABRIC AND THEN YOU PUT THIS TOP SURFACE SO THAT GRID OR FABRIC ACTS AS REINFORCING AND THOSE ARE REFLECTED CRACKS DON'T COME TO THE SURFACE.
WE DID THAT ON SPRING HILL ESTATES AND THAT'S BEEN LIKE SEVEN YEARS WITH A GRID.
I THINK THERE'S ONE AREA THAT I'VE SEEN THAT THAT LITTLE AREA, BUT THERE'S NO LAW AND YOU'RE DOING YOUR CRACKS AND THAT'S ALMOST.
>> LIKE AN ONLINE SHE BROUGHT IT ON A REPAIR YOU GO BACK AND LOOK FOR THAT FIBROBLASTS AND THEY'RE [INAUDIBLE]
IT DIDN'T SPREAD. ELLIS STATES, NO SOIL BORINGS, WE'RE DONE.
THIS ONE AREA, YOU KNOW WHY IS THAT ONE FAILING? THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE BASE, BUT IT'S VERY ISOLATED.
WE WOULD NEVER HAVE FOUND THAT 11, ERIC, IT'S PRETTY SMALL.
>> THEIR HEAD IS IN THE PAINT HAS TO DO WITH TRAINING IN THE AREA WHERE ALAN AND THEN ALSO COME DOWN PARKER IN THAT AREA RIGHT WHERE HE'S.
>> MR. REED SAID, DRAINAGE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR SUBGRADE AT A CONSTANT MOISTURE CONTENT THE BEST YOU CAN.
WE HAVE SOME OF THESE DITCHES THAT ARE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE ROAD.
THEY DON'T DRAIN WELL, THEY FILL UP, THEY SATURATE, AND THEN WE GET INTO THE SUMMER, THEY DRY OUT.
YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO SEE FACE VALUES.
WHEN WE LOOK AT DEVLIN ROAD, WE'VE REMIXED AND WE STILL SEE FAILURES COMING INTO THE BASIS SHOT.
WE TRIED TO BAND-AID IF WE TRIED TO GET DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT IT'S GOT A PERMANENT FIX AND THAT'S A HEAVY VOLUME ROAD.
SOMEBODY'S RESIDENTIAL STREETS, NOT HIGH-VOLUME.
YOU KNOW, THE GARBAGE TRUCK OR THE MOVING VAN IS DOING THE MOST DAMAGE.
SOME OF THOSE PROBABLY OVERLAY BEFORE THEY GET BAD MESSAGE.
THERE WOULD BE SOME THOUGHT OF WE WANTED TO HAVE ALL CONCRETE STREETS AND RECONSTRUCT THEM OFF.
WHAT WE GOT I NEED TO KNOW IS, ARE WE HOW DO WE WANT TO PROCEED AND TRYING TO GET LIGHT OUT OF THE PAGE.
>> WE'VE SEEN IT DONE. WHAT THAT REALLY DOES, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE WATER OUT OF THE SUBGRADE.
ACETYL-COA, ACETYL-COA, FEW YEARS WORTH OUT OF IT.
YOU HAVE TO KEEP SLURRY CODES, FOG COATS, CHIP AND SEALS ARE JUST SEALING IT.
YOU GET A YEAR OR TO HAVE AT BIT SEAL.
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>> IT'S A SLURRY THAT GOES OVER AND THERE'S SOME MICRO PAVING THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
I KNOW DALLAS SAYS THAT MY RESIDENTIAL ASPHALT STREET, IT'S FOOD FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS AND IT'S LIKE COMING OFF AND THEY COME AND DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO EXTEND A LOT.
>> AGAIN IT'S A BAND-AID THAT LASTED ABOUT TWO YEARS.
YOU GO IN AND YOU PUT A NOTE, AN OVERLAY, AND I THINK USING FABRIC, YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING, HOPEFULLY YOU GET 81012 YEARS OUT OF IT.
AGAIN, WHAT ARE THE COST DIFFERENCES, WE WOULD KNOW.
THAT COME INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND DALLAS AND ALL THE GAS OR WHETHER IT WAS PAINTED THE STREET, THEY WASTED MONEY FOR IT.
BUT THE PURPOSE WAS SEALED IN A SLURRY AND IT'S PROBABLY CHEAPER THAN TRYING TO CRACK SEALING.
>> THE COMMENT THAT I WANTED TO ASK YOU.
THESE ARE ALL GREAT CONVERSATIONS AND MRS. MOLDY FLESH OUT AND I THINK THAT ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE RELEVANT BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS STATEMENT HE SAID, OKAY, WELL, I KNOW WE'RE ON THE STREETS.
THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF CAPITAL, WHAT WE HAVE TO INVEST ON EQUAL BASIS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, YOU'RE GOING TO COME IN AND SAY, OKAY, IF IT IS LIKE WATER OR SOMETHING [INAUDIBLE] I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE IT'S NO WALK IN THEIR BRAIN [INAUDIBLE] BUT THE POINT BEING IS THAT WILL BE FIGURED OUT, THAT MIGHT BE RECONSTRUCTED NEED TO DO AND I'LL DRAW WHILE NUMBER.
I WOULD SAY IT'S A [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT WAY.
THAT'S PROBABLY NOT RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO MEAN, I'M NOT MAKING ANYBODY WHO ISN'T IN.
THIS WAS CERTAINLY MORE GOVERNOR, EVERYBODY ELSE? FOR MY UNDERSTANDING, WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO THAT AND THEN WITH WHATEVER IS LEFTOVER MONEY, BAND-AID FOR AWHILE.
AND THEN MAYBE AT THAT POINT, THE ONES THAT ARE LOWER IN THE BLANK, WE'LL COME UP TO THE TOP AND THEN YOU DO THAT.
WE NEED TO JUST STICK TO THAT CLIENT.
IT MAY MEAN THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU CAN SIT HERE IN OUR WESTERN WORLD ALL OF THIS.
BUT WE'LL NEED TO JUST KIND OF GIVE A BIG CHUNK TO DO THIS BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THESE SITUATIONS WITH WILDLIFE ISSUES.
YOU'D BE ABLE TO RECONSTRUCT, GET AN INTERVIEW. THE MOMENTS I THOUGHT.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE ANY REDNESS OR SO LET'S PUT THAT IN AND MAYBE THAT GROWS WITHIN THE LADY.
THE POINT OF THAT WATER WILL MOVE ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT THAT'S ALL I THINK WE NEED TO DO.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ANY PROJECT LIKE THIS OR NOT, BUT I MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY ALL THE TIME.
BUT YOU HAVE TO JUST TAKE THE D, LINE IT OUT, SEE WHAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S FINE.
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>> I THINK JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH
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WHAT COUNCILMAN LYNCH WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THAT WE PROBABLY ALSO OUGHT TO HAVE MAYBE ANOTHER CATEGORY ON THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE COLLEGES OTHER OR IF YOU WOULD CALL IT SOME EXTENUATING WHETHER IT BE DRAINAGE, WHETHER IT'D BE EASEMENTS, ARE SOME OTHER CONSIDERATION THAT WOULD CAUSE IT TO BE MAYBE A PROBLEM CHILD, IF YOU WILL, OR IT MIGHT HAVE MORE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.THAT'LL BE THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO ADD, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT COMPREHENDED.
BECAUSE IF, FOR EXAMPLE, WE KNOW ON DUBLIN THERE ARE SOME THINGS THERE, THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME EASEMENT THINGS, THERE'S SOME EDGE RETENTION ISSUES WITH DRAINAGE, THERE'S WATER LINE.
I MEAN, WE CAN DISCUSS ALL THOSE BUT I'M JUST SAYING AS AN OTHER CATEGORY SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
>> HE'S HERE TO UPDATE THEM ALL THE TIME [INAUDIBLE].
>> AS YOU PRIORITIZE STREETS AND AGAIN, THE DOLLARS YOU HAVE IS JUST MAGNITUDE FOR COMPARISON AT THIS POINT.
HE SAID DUBLIN ROAD IS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.
THEN WE WOULD NEED TO GO OUT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE LIMITS ARE.
GO OUT AND DO A LITTLE BIT MORE EXTENSIVE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE
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FOR THAT STREET AND COME BACK WITH A PRETTY EXTENSIVE LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO DO TO THAT PARTICULAR STREET.THEN EVEN THOUGH WE MAY LOOK AT FOR THIS 40,000 FT, BUT LOOK AT ALL OUR STREETS.
YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO GO AND TRY TO RE-ENGINEER ALL YOUR STREETS AND DOWN.
YOU HAVE TO ZERO IN ON SOMETHING TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE AND TIMELY TO DO.
IS YOU LOOK AT AT GROUP AND YOUR STREETS.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU ALSO HAVE SOME FUNDS FOR SOME IMMEDIATE NEEDS OF FAILURES, SUCH AS CURTIS ROAD.
THERE'S A SECTION THAT'S JUST FALLING INTO TO CHANNEL.
THIS IS ONLY GET WORSE AND TRY TO FIX THAT UNTIL YOU CAN GET TO CURTIS, THAT MAY BE IN YEAR 4.
>> THANK YOU, JOHN, AND THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT TO MAKE.
MAYBE WHAT WE DO HERE IS THAT WE NOTE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO COMPLETELY RECONSTRUCT IT OR I DON'T THINK WE EVEN HAVE A METHOD THERE THAT'S SHOWN, BUT WE CAN DEFINE THAT.
IN 2023. FOR CURTIS, WE DO SOME TYPE OF A PARTIAL REPAIR PATCH, CALL IT, AND WE HAVE $100,000 FOR THAT OR WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS.
WE NOTE THAT THE 2023 WORK ISN'T OUR TOTAL RECONSTRUCT.
BUT THEN LATER IN TIME WE'VE GOT FOUR YEARS LATER.
WE ALSO HAVE IN THAT WERE THERE AND THAT'S WHERE WE DO THE RECONSTRUCT.
AS A TEAM WE CAN CHOOSE TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH THIS AND SAY LIKE, FIRST OF ALL, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR THE 2023/2024 BUDGET? WHAT WOULD BE OUR TOP PRIORITIES? CAN WE START FILLING IN SOME OF THE SQUARES WITH AN ESTIMATED COST AND THEN FIND OUT, AFTER WE ESSENTIALLY BUDGET OR ALLOCATE THE MONEY WE HAVE FOR 2023.
LET'S THEN NOW MOVE TO WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO IN 2024 OR '24 AND FORTH AND SO FORTH THERE.
BUT I'D LIKE TO MAYBE TRY TO MOVE TO LET'S TRY TO GET AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH BUDGET DO WE HAVE OR COULD WE THINK ABOUT CONSIDERING FOR EACH ONE IF THAT MAKES SENSE? I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT OR NOT AT THIS TIME.
>> I THINK WE'RE PREMATURE TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE IN THE BUDGET.
BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IN A MAYOR PEDAL HELP ME.
>> HER QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE? PERHAPS THE BEST PLACE TO START IS WHAT WE HAD? WHAT THE PROJECTIONS ARE SHOWING IN THE BUDGET PRESENTLY?
>> THAT'S NOT ANY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT.
>> WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE WE HAVE TO START WITH SOME SOME GUIDE IN TERMS OF WHAT TO CONSIDER.
>> HELP ME. IF WE USE THE BALANCE AS OF SEPTEMBER 30, '22, PLUS WHAT WE KNOW WE PUT IN THERE THIS YEAR, MINUS WHAT WHAT GRANT IS PROJECTING BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE.
I THINK WHAT SAID PLUS 300,000? I THINK HE'S SHOWING 200,000 OF EXPENSES FOR THIS YEAR, SO FIVE MINUS TWO SO WE'VE GOT THREE.
THEN I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT FOR BUDGET PURPOSES, WE WILL KEEP THIS AT LEAST THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
PLUS WE KNOW WE HAVE THE STREET SALES TAX.
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BUT AGAIN, GRANT HAS ESTIMATED THAT.THAT'S WHAT'S PRETTY MUCH HERE.
>> BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS [INAUDIBLE].
>> I DIDN'T BRING THAT SHEET OF PAPER WITH ME.
>> WE HAVE 2.2 TOTAL [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE SHOW IN MILLION ONE AT THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR AND 880. [INAUDIBLE]
>> BUT DOES IT COST [INAUDIBLE]?
>> EXCUSE ME. WE HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION.
>> I DON'T CARE [INAUDIBLE] OF WHAT WAS TO GO TO [INAUDIBLE] OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE FOR THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> OUR STARTING POINT IS 2.2 MILLION.
I THINK IS A SAFE PLACE TO BE. MR. MACHADO.
>> AS GLENN AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT IT, [INAUDIBLE] IS 2.2 MILLION THEREABOUT.
SOME OF THOSE ARE FOR EMERGENCY [INAUDIBLE].
BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER NUMBER WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO BE [INAUDIBLE] STUFF LIKE THAT.
TWO MILLION IS THE NUMBER [INAUDIBLE].
>> OKAY. THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE FUND.
>> THAT'S JUST ROADS, AND SO FOR THIS PURPOSE, WE'RE JUST TALKING THAT NUMBER.
TWO TWO MINUS 200,000. SO $2 MILLION.
>> SARAH, TO YOUR POINT, [INAUDIBLE] TO THAT.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT NOW, BUT [INAUDIBLE] WE DO, BUT THERE IS SOME MONEY THERE AS WELL [INAUDIBLE].
>> IT'S ALSO MONEY WE CAN TALK ABOUT ONE AND OFF.
THERE ARE OTHER FUNDS THAT FEED TO THIS PROJECT, HOPEFULLY, TO HELP OUT.
ONCE WE IDENTIFY THE STREETS, I THINK THEN WE CAN PULL ALL THOSE PIECES IN AND GIVE A MORE COMPLETE PICTURE.
BUT WE CAN GET A BIRD'S EYE VIEW AND A PRETTY GOOD DIRECTIONAL VIEW.
FROM A HIGH LEVEL I THINK [INAUDIBLE]
>> OKAY. NOT TO REPEAT MYSELF, BUT I WILL, IS THAT IF WE TOOK THE VERY POOR AND POORER STREETS WE'RE AT BASICALLY $4 MILLION BEFORE ANY DRAINAGE WORK.
DRAINAGE WORK WOULD MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT. IT'S EIGHT MILLION.
OUR CURRENT BUDGET OR MONEY AVAILABLE AT TWO MILLION IS BASICALLY BEEN BUILT UP, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS OR SO.
TYPICALLY, THE BUDGET BEING PUT ASIDE WAS A HALF MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR.
IF WE LOOK AT TWO MILLION AS OUR CURRENT NUMBER TO GO SPEND AND SPEND IT ALL, WILL TAKE US THREE YEARS TO GET THERE.
THEN THE QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE WE DOING? BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN FIXED THE VERY POOR AND SEVERE STREETS WITH THAT MONEY? LOOKING AT ALL YOUR SPREADSHEET IS GREAT.
I STILL THINK THAT WE ARE HAVING TO LOOK AT PIECES OF ROADS.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
WE HAVE INFORMATION OF LINEAR FOOT OF SOUTH DUBLIN.
WE DON'T HAVE SAYING, HEY, MAYBE JUST THE S CURVE NEEDS TO BE FIXED AND WHAT'S THE LINEAR FOOT OF THE S CURVE.
I THINK PART OF THAT NEEDS TO BE THAT GIVEN THE MONIES THAT WE'VE GOT AVAILABLE AND THE COST THAT'S OUT THERE IS TO GO BACK AND REALLY SAY, OKAY, WHAT HAS TO BE FIXED ON THESE ROADS AND WHERE ARE WE? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN GO THEN ALL THAT BECAUSE SOMETHING HAPPENS IMMEDIATELY WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
WE'VE BUILT THAT UP FOR THREE YEARS.
I THINK THERE'S THAT INFORMATION THAT WE STILL NEED TO GO GET BECAUSE THE NUMBER
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IS BIG AND THE NUMBER THAT WE'VE GOT TO SPEND AGAINST IT IS NOT.>> DOING THAT [INAUDIBLE] WHERE YOU SAID, SHOULD WE HAVE A CATEGORY ON YOUR DEBT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT. [INAUDIBLE].
>> I THINK THEY ALL HAVE OTHER ISSUES.
[BACKGROUND] DID YOU EVER SAY SOMETHING, GARY, ABOUT THE IDENTIFICATION OF LIKE DUBLIN?
WE CAN ALWAYS BREAK THE ROADS OUT INTO PIECES WHEREVER.
WE GOT A ROUGH ESTIMATE JUST TO GET SOME NUMBERS TOGETHER THAT SAYS WE COULD DO 8,000 FEET ROUGHLY OF ROAD AT THE COSTING.
>> THAT WAS INCLUDING DOING THE S CURVE WHICH IS GOING TO REQUIRE DIFFERENT TYPE OF WORK TAKEN OUT THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND THEN WE ADDED ABOUT 6,000 FEET OF ROAD THAT WE COULD DO.
WE SPLIT THAT OUT, PUT IT WHEREVER WE WANT.
>> BECAUSE THAT 6,000 FEET, IT'S NOT [INAUDIBLE] ANYTHING ELSE.
>> TO RANDY'S POINT I THINK THAT THERE'S TWO FACTORS HERE.
I THINK THIS IS OBVIOUS, BUT IT'S WORTH REITERATING BECAUSE WE CAN GET TIED UP IN OUR UNDERWEAR HERE ON LOOKING AT HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO FIX EVERYTHING AND WE CAN LOOK ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THE INTERIM.
OUR JOB WHICH IS A DAUNTING ONE, IS WE GOT TO DO BOTH.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A PATH WHERE YOU TAKE SOME OF THE MONEY AND DO SOME MINOR REPAIR, BAND-AID, IF YOU WILL.
YOU TAKE MAYBE LARGER AMOUNTS OF MONEY AND MAYBE DO A 390 FLEX BASE ASPHALT OVERLAY RE-MIX FOR HOWEVER MANY LINEAR FEET THAT YOU CAN GET.
THEN RANDY, TO YOUR POINT, WE'RE GOING TO BE SURE.
IF WE WANT TO GO DO THIS AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE CAN, BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO DO LIKE PLANO DOES, YOU'RE GOING TO DO A BOND BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG AMOUNT OF MONEY.
BUT IF WE DON'T DO THAT WITH THE BUDGETS THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE WILL HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY.
AGAIN, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH THE CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW WHERE THE MONEY COMES IN FROM THE SALES TAX, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT STYMIED WITH SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH BUILDINGS GOING ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW WITH OUR MORATORIUM AND EVERYTHING.
BUT NEVERTHELESS THERE WILL BE MORE MONEY COMING IN.
SO MAYBE IT'S SEVEN OR 800,000 RATHER THAN 500,000.
AGAIN A DROP IN THE BUCKET FOR WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT RANDY.
BUT THE POINT IS THAT SOMEHOW WE NEED TO ALIGN IT OUT ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
IF IT'S ONLY A SECTION OF ONE OF THE ROADS WILL THEN YOU DO THAT SECTION, BUT THEN YOU'RE DONE WITH THAT AND HOPEFULLY THAT LAST FOR AT LEAST FIVE, SIX SEVEN YEARS.
THEN THE NEXT YEAR MAYBE IT'S NOT A BUDDING AREA RIGHT WHERE YOU STOPPED OFF ON THAT ROAD AND YOU KEEP GOING.
MAYBE IT'S ANOTHER ROAD SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY BUT YOU DO ANOTHER HOWEVER MANY LINEAR FEET.
BUT IT'S DONE IN A MANNER THAT IT'S GOING TO LAST FOR A WHILE AND THEN SPLATTER AGAIN AMONG THE COMMUNITY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE PATCHING, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, TO DO IT BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY.
IT'S GOING TO BE A MULTI-YEAR PROCESS.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS UNDERSTAND WHAT ROADS ARE GOING TO BE AND IF WE CAN DISSECT IT DOWN IN THIS MEETING WHERE WE SAY DUBLIN SOUTH FROM BETSY TO BLAH,
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IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE THAT MUCH THAT WE CAN DO.THEN WE CAN SAY THAT, AND THEN MAYBE THE NEXT YEAR NOW YOU REASSESS IT AGAIN AND YOU SAY, WE'VE ONLY DONE 15% OF DUBLIN OR 20% OF IT.
THE NEXT YEAR WE DO PART OF LOUIS.
BUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO GUT IT OUT AND ROLL THEIR SLEEVES UP AND FIGURE IT OUT.
>> I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION ON CHANGE OR WHATEVER.
I DON'T REMEMBER, TERRY MAYBE YOU DO AT THE DECEMBER OR JANUARY WORKSHOP, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT BORING SAMPLE SHOULD ONLY BE DONE WHEN NECESSARY, NOT ON ALL THE ROADS.
IS THAT STILL WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO DO? BECAUSE THAT'S A COST AND I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS WE WANT.
THE REASON THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION IS I THINK THAT AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFLICTED ON THE BORING SAMPLES.
I THINK THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNICATION WHERE I'VE HEARD, WHERE WE THINK THAT OVERLAY REMIXED WITH FLEX SPACE IS THE WAY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO.
YES, WHEN YOU DO THE RE-MIX, THE LIME YOU PUT IT IN THERE OR WHATEVER CONTENT COULD BE DIFFERENT BASED ON WHAT THE BORING SAMPLE SAYS SO YOU COULD MODIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT IF YOU HAD GOOD SUCCESS AND EVEN AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DONNA WHERE IT WAS NOT DONE RIGHT, AND IT'S STILL ACTUALLY DID PRETTY WELL, WOULD WE WANT TO FOREGO ALL OF THAT AND JUST GO FORTH WITH THE PROCESS AND KNOWING THAT WE'VE HAD PRETTY GOOD LUCK WITHIN OUR AREA? I DON'T KNOW HOW DIFFERENT THE SOIL CONDITIONS ARE FROM ONE PART TO THE OTHER IN PARKER.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE DO, BUT THE POINT BEING IS THAT BEFORE WHAT HAPPENED IS I THINK WE GOT INTO A SITUATION WHERE AS A COMMITTEE, IT WAS VERY STRONGLY SUGGESTED THAT WE NEED TO GO GET THE BORING SAMPLES.
I WAS AMBIVALENT TO IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WELL, YES, IT DOES GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION BUT THE OTHER THING YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IS DOING THIS BORING SAMPLES IS PRETTY DISRUPTIVE TO THE ROAD ALSO AND THE COMMUNITY.
AGAIN, AS A GROUP, WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT.
I'M PERSONALLY PROBABLY OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD BUT WE DO NEED DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO BECAUSE WE NEVER GOT OFF THE DIME ON THAT BECAUSE IT NEVER GOT THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
>> [LAUGHTER] AS YOU WORK WITH GEOTECHNICAL FIRMS, WHEN YOU REBUILD THE ROAD THEY LIKE TO DO A SOIL BORING ABOUT EVERY 500 FEET BECAUSE SOILS DO CHANGE.
THEY DO LOOK FOR SULFATES IN SOILS THAT THEY CAN BLOW UP AND ASK FOR PAYMENT PRETTY QUICK.
DO YOU GO DO ALL YOUR STREETS KNOWING THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU 25 YEARS TO GET TO THE LAST ONE? YOU CAN DO THEM BY STREET.
IF YOU WANTED TO FOCUS JUST WHAT'S ON THE SPREADSHEET SOUTH DUBLIN, YOU WOULD TAKE SOME SOIL BORINGS THERE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
THE NEXT YEAR YOU HAVE SOME OTHER PROJECTS IN THERE.
THE OTHER PART OF TOWN YOU WOULD DO THOSE.
WHEN YOU HAVE A GROUP OF THOSE THROUGHOUT THE CITY YOU START TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SOILS ARE AND THEN YOU MAY BACK OFF ON SOME OF THOSE.
BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME BUT THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT WE GOT THE ONE TO DO IT ALL.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF DATA YOU MAY NOT USE FOR MANY YEARS.
>> TO THAT POINT, NOT TO BELABOR THIS BUT IT IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION IS THAT, IF YOU DID SAY SOUTH DUBLIN AND YOU DID BORING SAMPLES, IF YOU DID EVERY 1,500 FEET, THREE SAMPLES EVERY 1,500 FEET AND THE ASSAY CAME BACK AND THEY WERE LIKE PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SAME, COULD YOU DETERMINE THAT MAYBE THAT ROAD COMPOSITION IS PRETTY CONSISTENT? BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO DO THEM EVERY 500 FEET AND ALL THE DATA COMES BACK AND IT'S ALL THE SAME CONSISTENCY AND YOU SPENT ALL THAT MONEY ON DOING BORING SAMPLES AND DISRUPTED THE ROAD TRAFFIC FLOW AND EVERYTHING ELSE FOR THAT.
>> TO DO A SOIL BORING A DRILL RIG COMES OUT CUT OFF THE ROAD.
THEY DRILL THE HOLE AND IS PROBABLY A COUPLE OF HOURS AND THEY MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE.
THE DEGREE OF DISTURBANCE IS SUBJECTIVE BUT IT'S PRETTY QUICK AND ONCE THEY GET THROUGH THE HOLE THAT'S IN THE GROUND THEY'LL MAKE SOME SAP CREEK AND THE SAP CREEK PUT TRAFFIC RIGHT BACK ON IT.
IN MOST OF YOUR ROADS THEY WOULD NEED TO BE CLOSING ONE LANE DOWN BECAUSE THERE'S NO SHOULDER OR ANYTHING TO TAKE THE SOIL BORING.
>> AT THE MEETING OR A WORKSHOP WHERE THE BORING SAMPLES CAME UP,
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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SAID, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WERE THERE, SO I'M REPEATING THIS SO YOU KNOW, IS MR. BIRKHOFF KNOWS WHAT THE UNDER SOIL IS.WE DON'T NEED TO DO BETWEEN HIM AND GARY THAT HE KNOW WHAT THE ROADS ARE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THEM ALL THIS TIME.
JUST SO YOU KNOW THERE'S GREAT CONFIDENCE.
>> GARY AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDER THERE. [LAUGHTER]
>> WELL, AS JIM SAYS WE CAN LOOK AT BORINGS AS A PART OF THE ROAD.
WHEN WE DETERMINE A ROAD WE CAN DETERMINE TO DO THEM ALL FOR HOWEVER YOU ALL WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AS LONG AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
>> SO I AGREE WITH CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BORING SAMPLES.
I THINK WHEN WE GET INTO A STREET PERHAPS IT'S THE BETTER TIME OR GROUP OF STREETS THAT WE CAN MAYBE, I KNOW THERE'S A LITTLE ADVANTAGED PRICE IF YOU GET MULTIPLES.
BUT WHEN WE'RE READY TO DO STREETS IS A BETTER TIME TO GET TO THE BORING SAMPLES.
>> WE'RE BACK TO THE QUESTION OF HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD.
>> YEAH, I WOULD PROBABLY AGREE SOMEWHAT TO WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER, JIM, AS FAR AS SAYING, IF YOU TAKE THE BUDGET, THESE BASICALLY SAY, OKAY, I'M GOING TO GO OUT AND FIX WHAT I GOT TO FIX.
WHATEVER MONEY I GOT LEFT, I CAN EITHER SAY SOME OF THOSE FIXES I WANT TO MAKE MORE PERMANENT, OR I CAN GO DO MORE, OR THERE'S ANOTHER CHOICE AT THAT TIME.
BUT AGAIN, FOR ME, I THINK THE PIECE THAT WE'RE MISSING IS THE SECTIONS OF THE STREETS.
I KNOW WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT SOUTH DUBLIN AND I DRIVE SOUTH DUBLIN.
I LOVE TO HAVE SOUTH DUBLIN COMPLETELY DONE PERSONALLY.
BUT I'D BE WILLING TO GIVE UP POWER TO [LAUGHTER] HELP OTHER PEOPLE ON THEIR STREETS.
AGAIN, I'M MORE ABOUT SAYING SECTIONS OF STREETS AND THEY HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET THE INFORMATION AND SAYS WHAT SECTION OF STREETS DEFINITELY NEED TO BE DONE USING THE NUMBERS THAN THAT WE'VE GOT BASED UPON THE COST AND OVERHEAD AND WHATEVER.
SAY, HOW MUCH IS THAT ALL COME TO? I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT TO DO.
WE THINK THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE, IT'S SUNKEN IN, WHAT HAVE YOU I THINK WE OWE IT TO EVERYBODY TO GO DO IT.
THEN WHAT MONEY IF WE GOT LEFTOVER, AND TO YOUR POINT, THEN WE CAN SAY, HOW DO I DO IT THAT TAKES SOME OF THOSE ISSUES AND MAKE IT BETTER OR GO DO MORE? BUT I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT THE INFORMATION COST-WISE.
IF WE COULD GET THE SECTIONS OF THE STREET AND SAY, HOW MUCH A LINEAR FEET ARE THERE IN BETWEEN THESE SEVERE AND VERY POOR STREETS? THAT'S A START AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT THE MONEY TO GO DO THAT, LET'S GO DO IT RIGHT AWAY.
THEN WE CAN THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH ANY MONEY LEFT OVER.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD NEED TO GO.
>> YEAH. THE SPREADSHEET HERE DOES ENCOMPASS WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.
I'LL JUST MAYBE POINT OUT THAT ON THIS COLUMN D, IT SHOWS A SECTION.
IN OTHER WORDS, FOR INSTANCE, AS AN EXAMPLE, LET'S JUST TAKE HACK VERY LEAN.
THIS SECTION ONLY ENCOMPASSES FROM DONHU TO PECAN ORCHARD, AND THEN THAT 1,700 LINEAR FEET, AND IT'S RATED IN POOR CONDITION WITH, WHAT'S THE RATING COLUMN? D, SOMETHING.
SOME ROAD INDEX RATING, THE PCI, THANK YOU.
THE CONDITIONS SHOWN, VERY POOR, POOR, SEVERE, FAIR IS SHOWN IN COLUMN H, AND THEN THE PCI RATING, WHICH IS A ROAD CONDITION RATING, IS ALSO SHOWN THERE.
THE DATA HERE, DOES BREAK IT OUT IN SOME CASES, TWO SECTIONS THAT PERHAPS YOU'RE REQUESTING EVEN SMALLER SECTIONS THAN WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
I BELIEVE YOU SAID OVER 6,000 METERS CUBIC SO [INAUDIBLE] WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE.
I MEAN, WE HAD A NUMBER HERE LIKE AT 1.4 MILLION, SO WHAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO IS START CHOOSING WHICH STREETS DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT FIRST, I DID JUST COPY OVER FROM THE OTHER SPREADSHEET OF THE WORK PREVIOUSLY DONE, A PHASE ONE.
THE TWO PHASE ONE PREVIOUSLY NOTED STREETS ARE DUBLIN AND LOUIS LANE.
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RESIDENTIAL STREETS ARE SHOWN HERE.POTENTIALLY, WE JUST STARTED BY TALKING ABOUT PHASE ONE STREETS FOR 2023, 2024 BUDGET TO FOCUS THERE, AND THEN TRY TO MOVE FORWARD TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE ALLOCATE THE $2,000,000 BUDGET THAT WE HAVE FOR 2023 TO 2024, SO THAT WE CAN SCOPE THAT YEAR'S PROJECTS AND THEN MOVE FORWARD FOR NEXT YEAR.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO NEXT YEAR.
THEN AS WE GO, BUT WE NEED TO START BY, FIRST OF ALL, DOUBLE-CHECKING THAT THE RESURFACE METHOD IS STILL RECOMMENDED IN THE ACCURATE METHOD, AND THEN TRY TO PUT A PRICE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT BASED ON THE PRICE TABLE THAT WE HAVE, AND TRY TO PUT THE PRICE NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH DOING EACH ONE OF THESE STREETS AND SCHEDULING IT OUT.
WHAT YEAR CAN WE DO IT GIVEN THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT DUBLIN SOUTH IN THE S CURVE.
WE HAVE THOSE SECTIONS SET OUT INDIVIDUALLY.
DID JOE MENTION THAT THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF RE-MIX OR A DIFFERENT KIND OF CONSTRUCTION?
>> I'M GOING TO BACK UP A MINUTE.
THE SECTIONS THAT ARE ON THERE ARE THE SECTIONS THAT THE SURVEY GROUP WENT OUT, AS WE WERE DRIVING THE STREETS, WE SAID THERE'S A LOT OF STREETS AND THIS IS FIRST TIME THAT THE GROUP WENT OUT, DROVE THOSE STREETS.
WE PUT SEGMENTS IN, THE BEST WE COULD AS WE'RE DRIVING THEM.
AS WE LOOK AT DUBLIN SOUTH OR GO BACK TO DONHU TO PECAN ORCHARD.
THAT WAS JUST A LOGICAL FROM STREET TO STREET, AND OVERALL, THAT WAS THE RATING.
IF YOU WENT BACK AND SAID, IN THAT SECTION, WHAT REALLY, IS IT ALL BAD OR ALL POOR? OR IS THERE A SECTION THAT REALLY DROVE THAT NUMBER? IF WE LOOK AT CURTIS THERE'S ONE SECTION THAT REALLY DROVE IT.
WE DIDN'T TRY TO BREAK IT DOWN BECAUSE WE SPENT LIKE A WEEK.
YOU CAN LOOK AT SO MUCH ROADS.
THOSE SECTIONS ARE NOT NECESSARILY PERTAINING TO EVERYTHING THERE COULD BE, COULD NOT BE, IT'S JUST THE WAY WE SURVEYED IT.
THAT'S WHY WE RECOMMEND ONCE YOU ZERO IN ON SOMETHING, WE GO BACK OUT AND SAY, WHAT IS IT THAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO.
ON SOUTH DUBLIN, THE S CURVE HAS COME UP, IT KEEPS COMING UP, IT'S FAILING.
EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE GROUPED IN A BIGGER SECTION, BECAUSE ALL THAT SECTION WAS NOT VERY GOOD.
TWO-AND-A-HALF YEARS AGO, IT WASN'T IN THE CONDITION THAT IT IS IN NOW.
AS EVERYONE ELSE, WE NEED TO DO SOME REHABILITATION, SOME FIXING, SOME MORE BAND-AIDING.
BASICALLY, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT WE KIND OF ZEROED IN JUST ON S CURVE AS A PROJECT TODAY.
YEAH, YOU CAN BREAK IT INTO SMALLER PIECES, BUT YOU REALLY NEED TO GO BACK OUT AND SAY, WHAT IS IT? ULTIMATELY, ALL THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH THESE REMIX OR WHATEVER, LIKE ON A COLLECTOR STREET, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT THAT COLLECTIVE STREET TO BE? DO YOU WANT IT TO BE AN ASPHALT OPEN DITCH, DO YOU WANT TO BE CONCRETE? AS WE LOOK AT THE LONG TERM, WHAT IS IT? WE WERE TO FIX SOMETHING LONG TERM, I WOULD TELL YOU WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT DRAINAGE, AND WHAT TYPE OF SECTION DO YOU WANT? WHY DO YOU WANT THE ROAD, WHAT MATERIALS YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT UP? BECAUSE WE JUST CONTINUE UP TO THIS POINT OF BUYING TIME.
IN A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT ARE ASPHALT YOU CAN OVERLAY AND YOU CAN DO SLURRY CODES.
THESE ARE COLLECTOR STREETS THAT WE REALLY NEED DIRECTION ON.
AS WE LOOK AT THE S CURVE TODAY, AS I WAS TELLING GARY, WE'VE DONE IT TWICE.
WE NEED DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT'S AN OUTWARD LOOKING AT CLOSING THE ROAD, EXCAVATING OUT, BRING IN FLEX BASIN.
WE STILL HAVEN'T TAKEN CARE AT THIS POINT DRAINAGE, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LONG-TERM VISION IS FOR DUBLIN.
THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO KNOW THAT YOU WANT IT TO BE CONCRETE.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, HOW DO WE TAKE CARE OF THE DRAINAGE.
WE'RE LANDLOCKED RIGHT HERE, OR IF YOU GO SOUTH, HOW FAR DOES THE DRAINAGE BYPASS HAVE TO GO, AND HOW IS THAT INCORPORATED INTO THE FUTURE OF WHAT WE KNOW THAT ROAD IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE?
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>> I AGREE. I MEAN, THE OTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO DO, I THINK AS A COUNCIL IS BASICALLY SAY AS WE GO OUT AND EVEN THE SAFETY ISSUES, AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE S-CURVE OR THAT TYPE OF THING IS SAY WHAT IS IT IF IT'S A COLLECTOR ROAD.
WHAT'S THE VISION OF THE COUNCIL AS FAR AS SAYING WHAT TYPE OF ROAD ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AS COLLECTOR ROAD.
LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE OVERLAY FOR COLLECTOR ROADS AND OTHER ROADS WE'RE NOT.
WELL, THAT MEANS IS WE GO DO THAT FIX FOR SOUTH DEVLIN, HOPEFULLY, JUST LIKE THEY DID.
I THINK LOUIS LANE, THE SECTION OF IT, THE DEVELOPER PUT IN THE OVERLAY.
IF WE GO OUT THERE AND WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO FIX THIS ON DEVLIN OF THIS PIECE OF STRETCH, THEN DEPENDING AGAIN UPON THE MONEY THAT WE'VE GOT AVAILABLE AND WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO FROM THE SAFETY ISSUES ACROSS THE VERY POOR AND SEVERE STREETS, IS TO SAY, WE'VE GOT SOME EXTRA MONEY, THEN LET'S GO TO THAT COLLECTOR STREET AND MAKE IT AN OVERLAY AS WE DO IT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK RIGHT AWAY AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK FORWARD.
>> I'M CONCERNED IN THINKING ABOUT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, THE GOAL ISN'T TO FIX SOMETHING, IT'S TO PATCH AND I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
I AGREE WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE LONG-TERM PURPOSE OF THESE STREETS ARE.
DEVLIN ROAD IS A [LAUGHTER] COLLECTOR STREET.
NO MATTER WHAT IT SHOWS IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, IT COLLECTS, PEOPLE HAVE TO USE DEVLIN ROAD TO GET IN AND OUT.
IT'S A VERY CRITICAL ROAD FOR OUR CITY.
TO THINK OF CONCRETE AND THE COST OF CONCRETE.
FOR THE CITY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE ASTRONOMICAL AND I JUST DON'T THINK, I MEAN, THAT'S A POLL THAT ISN'T ACHIEVABLE AND WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE THAN IS REASONABLE IN MY MIND.
THIS ROAD HAS NEVER BEEN A CONCRETE ROAD AND IT'S GOT A CHARACTER ALL ITS OWN THAT, IT'S LIKE GO INTO NEW ORLEANS.
YOU JUST CAN'T CHANGE NEW ORLEANS.
YOU CAN'T CHANGE DEVLIN ROAD BECAUSE IT IS DEVLIN ROAD.
I THINK THE PEOPLE LIKE THE CHARACTER, BUT THEY ALSO WANT SAFETY.
TO ME, I WOULD SAY NO, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET AGREEMENT ON HOW WE'RE GOING FORWARD.
I WOULD SAY NO TO THE CONCRETE ROADS, BUT I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO MAKE THESE ROADS A LITTLE BIT WIDER.
I RECOGNIZE THAT GETS INTO SOME OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ISSUES THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS PROJECT TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
WE CAN'T DO THE ROADS WITHOUT DOING DRAINAGE OR WITH THROWING OUR MONEY DOWN THE DRAIN.
IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO SAY, WELL, LET'S DO THIS ON DEVLIN ROAD, KNOWING WE'RE NOT FIXING THE DRAINAGE.
THAT'S MY TWO SENSE ABOUT THOSE ISSUES AND HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED.
MR. BURKEP, IF YOU HAD A CRYSTAL BALL OR IF YOU WERE IN CHARGE, HOW WOULD YOU RECOMMEND WE TACKLING OUR DRAINAGE ISSUES? YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY MORE PRETTY WELL.
>> AS WE LOOK AT DEVLIN ROAD, WE CAN LOOK AT NORTH, SOUTH.
YOU GO IN AND YOU DO A DRAINAGE STUDY.
WHAT DOES IT PAY TO PUT A WIDER ROAD IN IF WE'RE 24 FEET NOW AND WANT A 30-FOOT RIGHT AWAY, YOU DO SOME PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING.
YOU GO IN AND YOU FIGURE OUT WHERE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS AND [INAUDIBLE], I THINK YOU'VE DONE SOME OF THE RESEARCH ON THAT AND YOU HAVE A STRIP MATH, YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU HAVE, WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
THEN YOU GO IN AND YOU SAY, DO THE DRAINAGE STUDY OF WHERE THE DRAINAGE BASINS ARE, WHERE THE CREEKS ARE, WHERE CAN YOU DISCHARGED YOUR WATER?
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YOUR STANDARDS TODAY ARE DESIGNED FOR THE HUNDRED YEAR STORM.WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO DO THAT? IN A DRAINAGE STUDY, WE WOULD THEN SAY, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO DO THE 50 YEAR STORM AND THE 25-YEAR STORM? WHAT SIZE DO THE PIPES NEED TO BE, AND YOU START TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MAGNITUDE OF THAT IS.
CAN YOU DO THE HUNDRED YEAR AFTER YOU DO IT IN SECTIONS AND THERE IT FALLS OUT TO BE SOME LOGICAL SECTIONS BASED ON DRAINAGE NOT NECESSARY THIS ROAD TO THAT ROAD.
THEN YOU GET YOUR PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING DONE, DESIGN WORK THAT WOULD FOLLOW UP EVENTUALLY INTO THE DESIGN OF THE REAL FIX.
MOST ROADS YOU DESIGNED WITH THE SOIL BORINGS, KNOW WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THE SOIL, HAD TO BEEF UP THE ROAD FOR THOSE CONDITIONS AND YOU CAN REALLY DESIGN THEM FOR A 20-YEAR LIFE.
YOU CAN SPEND SOME MORE MONEY AND THESE ITEM FOR THE 30-YEAR LIFE.
WHAT WE KNOW IN THIS AREA, A LOT OF THOSE GODFREY STREETS SITTING IN PLANO ARE 20, 30, 40 YEARS OLD.
THEY DO LAST, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR.
THE INTERSTATES ARE DESIGNED AND I THINK THEY WERE REASONABLY DESIGNED FOR 20 YEARS.
THEY'RE REBUILDING THEM AT 30 AND 40 YEARS.
NEW DESIGNS FOR TEXTILE DAYS, I THINK 30 AND 40 OF YOUR LIVES.
>> HOW MUCH DOES A DRAINAGE COST?
I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO GO IN AND LOOK AT THE BASINS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
YOU MAY BE IN THE RANGE OF $50,000, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHERE THE BASINS ARE AND DO THE CALCULATIONS AND YOU'D LIKE TO GO OUT AND DO SOME SURVEYING TO FIGURE OUT THESE ARE THE SIDES DITCHES YOU HAVE.
YOU KNOW THEY DON'T WORK AT ALL.
I MEAN, YOU COULD SKIP THAT AND SAY THIS SIZE GAUGE OR THIS SIZE PIPES THAT YOU NEED AND WHERE YOU DISCHARGE THEM.
THAT GETS YOU TO WHERE YOU NEED TO BE.
WHEN YOU GET INTO DESIGN PLANS, YOU GO WITH CRAIG, YOU GET 100 YEAR STORM ELEVATION, YOU WOULD DO ALL THE ACTUAL FLOODS STUDIES.
THAT'S ALL WE REQUIRE A SUBDIVISION ENGINEERS AS TO WHAT A GOOD DESIGN WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE PRELIMINARY WORKS.
IF YOU WENT TO THOSE HYDRAULIC STUDIES TODAY, YOU'D PROBABLY BE OVER $100,000 IN SOME OF THESE STUDIES.
>> HOW ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT?
>> PROBABLY ABOUT THREE MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS TO GO THROUGH IT ALL AND GET THE DATA.
>> YOU STILL HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE DRAINAGE.
YOU HAVE SOME SOGGY AREAS UP THERE THAT THE WATER JUST LAYS UP THERE.
THE DEVELOPERS PUSH THE WATER TO THE CHANNEL AND ULTIMATELY IS GOT TO MAKE IT TO THE CREEK AND NOT SITTING IN THE ROAD RIGHT AWAY.
YOU WOULD DO IT PROBABLY IS SIMILAR PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING AND SAY, WHAT IS THAT DRAINAGE COST AND MAGNITUDES A YOKE AND CONVERGING.
RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT ERODE AND SAY, HERE, WE WANT TO GO FROM 24-30 INCH OR 30 FOOT WIDE ROAD, WE CAN ESTIMATE THAT PRETTY EASILY DRAINAGE YOU STILL BE ABOUT 300, $400 A FOOT.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO DO THE ENGINEERING TO SUBSTANTIATE THAT.
THEY MAY BE LESS, THEY MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
>> IF YOU GO THE DRAINAGE STUDY ROUTE, THE TIME TO DO THAT, BUT IF YOU JUMP RIGHT INTO THE DESIGN PLANS TO TAKE CARE OF THE DRAINAGE FROM POINT A TO POINT B, THERE'S PROBABLY A GOOD 9-12 MONTHS OF ENGINEERING DESIGN TO GET A SET OF CONSTRUCTION PLANS TOGETHER.
THEN TO BUILD IT ALL, YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING TO ANOTHER YEAR.
YOU DO FULL CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR PAVING AND DRAINAGE.
WITH ROAD YOU WANT WE KNOW WE WANT IT ASPHALT OR CONCRETE AND WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO DO DRAINAGE TO REBUILD
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THE ROAD AND DESIGNING IT FOR THE ACTUAL PAVEMENT DESIGN AND FREQUENCIES OF VEHICLES, HEAVY TRUCKS, ETC, YOU CAN DESIGN IT FOR CONCRETE OR YOU CAN DESIGN AN ASPHALT PAVEMENT FOR THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.IF YOU STICK WITH ASPHALT, YOU MAY HAVE A FLEXIBLE BASE UNDERNEATH OF 12 INCHES OR SO AND MAYBE SIX INCHES OF HOT MIX AND WHEN YOU COMPARE THE COST MAY BE A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER IN THE CONCRETE.
BUT IF IT'S DESIGNED PROPERLY, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU SOME MONEY VERSUS LET'S JUST PUT SOME ASPHALT THERE.
>> I GUESS IF WE JUST BRING IT BACK TO THE APPROXIMATELY $2 MILLION BUDGET THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED FOR 2023, '24, HOW DO WE GET TO A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT MONEY AND TALK ABOUT WHAT ROAD IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY, SECOND PRIORITY, THIRD PRIORITY, BASED ON SAFETY AND USE IN OTHER PRIORITIES.
>> I THINK WE'D BE PAID THOSE PAYMENT COST THAT I GAVE YOU [INAUDIBLE] $25 FOR DRAINAGE [INAUDIBLE] REBUILD THE ROAD [INAUDIBLE] CONCRETE COST IN DRAINAGE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE WITH CONCRETE AND THE DESIGNS AS THE QUOTATION.
>> OKAY, I'LL JUST TAKE LIKE 15 MINUTES AND GIVE YOU A FEEDBACK.
>> I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST SUMMARIZE AND JUST SEND HER BACK ON THE TOPICS AT HAND AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE ANY DECISIONS ON WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED SO FAR AND THEN TRY TO MOVE TOWARDS ALLOCATING THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND THEN ASSESSING WHAT WE NEED FOR NEXT YEAR'S AND SO FORTH.
I GUESS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION REGARDING WHAT THE SCOPE OF THESE PROJECTS ARE THERE ARE PRETTY LENGTHY, BUT INSTEAD OF CONTINUING DOWN TO MUCH OF THE DETAILS OF THE SCOPE, REALLY JUST TRYING TO BRING IT BACK TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF JUST TRYING TO GET COST ESTIMATES AND THEN SEE WHAT WE CAN GET FOR THOSE COSTS.
>> I'LL GET BACK TO YOU. JUST ONE THING THAT I THINK WE OUGHT TO CAPTURE IS THAT THE SECTION BREAKOUT THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT, RANDY STARTED WITH.
WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO FIND OUT NATURAL BREAK POINTS? I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE STUDY BECAUSE THE STUDY IS GOING TO TAKE AWHILE BUT I MEAN COULD IT BE SOMETHING WHERE IT WOULD NOT TAKE THAT LONG WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING AROUND YOU YOU WOULD TAKE
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ADVANTAGE OR TAKE ACCOUNT TO WHAT YOU SEE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD SOMEHOW SUB-DIVIDE SOME OF THESE TO MAKE THEM IN SMALLER SECTIONS LIKE RANDY IS TALKING ABOUT.
IS THAT AN ACTION THAT WE CAN TAKE?
>> WE ALL KNOW THE ESTIMATES, ESTIMATES IS A BIT [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE CAN GET JOHN TO COME BACK WITH A PHASE 1 ON THAT WITH A COST ESTIMATE FOR THE DRAINAGE.
I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SOME 20 AND 25 FOR DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENTS THROUGH THERE.
NOW HOW FAR THAT GOES, I DON'T KNOW DOWN THESE PHASES HERE SO WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I THINK AT ONE TIME WE DID LOOK AT THAT IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.
DID WE JOHN, DIDN'T WE SUM OF THE DRAINAGE?
>> YEAH. I THINK WE NARROWED THAT NUMBER DOWN A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
>> THAT WAS A SPECIFIC CHALLENGES.
[INAUDIBLE] DRAINAGE COST OF EACH ESTIMATES WE HAD TO GET [INAUDIBLE]
>> WE COULD CALL THAT LIKE PHASE 1, FOR DUBLIN SOUTH.
WE CAN JUST CALL THAT WHAT COUNCIL DEEMS THAT'S AN EASY BREAK POINT FROM EDGEWATER TO CREEP SIDE PORT, YOU KNOW THOSE ARE EASY BREAK POINTS FOR THAT.
JUST FOR THAT S CURVE AND THEN WHAT OTHER STREETS COUNCIL LOOKS AT AND WE CAN GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT THOSE SECTIONS AND SEE WHAT I'M SAYING.
WHATEVER YOU GUYS DEEMED TO US THAT WE CAN GO OUT THERE TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE ROADS AND THEN IDENTIFY WHAT SECTIONS.
LIKE WE KNOW CURTIS THAT ONE SECTION IT'S GOT TO BE FIXED.
THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE HAVE TO GET DONE, AND THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE NORMAL MAINTENANCE SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT SECTION OF CURTIS IS GOING TO COST.
>> A VERY LARGE SECTION, I'M THINKING THAT'S NOT LESS 100, 000.
>> AS FAR AS OUR COLLECTORS STREETS FIRST, I WOULD SAY IN THE NORMAL CASE OF THINGS, COLLECTOR STREETS WOULD BE FIRST BECAUSE THE HIGHEST TRAFFIC.
I'M GOING BACK JUST TO SAFETY ISSUES I HAVEN'T DROVE ALL THE STREETS THERE ARE ONE IS MARK SEVERE AND VERY POOR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONDITION THOSE ARE IN OR IF THERE ARE SECTIONS OF THOSE THAT ARE SAFETY ISSUES.
I WOULD SAY SAFETY ISSUE FIRST, COLLECTORS STREETS THEN IT WOULD BE NEXT.
>> THE S CURVES WILL STILL BE SAFETY ISSUE AND IT CLASSIFIES AS BOTH AND THEN I THINK THERE IS A SECTION ON THE NORTH S CURVE ALSO THAT WE HAVE SOME SAFETY ISSUES WITH, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE TWO AREAS.
>> WE LOOK AT THE SUM [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE THINK WE'VE GOT A SOLUTION FOR THAT, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO BROADCAST THAT SOLUTION, IT'S AN OPTICAL ILLUSION THING WE COULD DO IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE VERY CHEAP OPTION.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE BUT IF WE'RE WORKING AT COLLECTOR STREETS I'M SORRY, LET ME PULL THAT BACK UP.
>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SAFETY ISSUE FIRST, TAKE CARE OF THE S-CURVE, AND THEN WE STARTS SAVING ONE OR REBUILD THE PAVEMENT WITH 20, 30 YEARS OF WE USE $905 BUT CONCRETE OR THE DRAINAGE OF PAVEMENT SECTION WE COME UP
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WITH FOR A MILLION DOLLARS [INAUDIBLE].WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY WELL EVEN IF YOU HAVE AN ASPHALT SECTION IT WOULD LAST, [INAUDIBLE] WE DO A DESIGN SECTION TAKE CARE OF THE DRAINAGE RIGHT AWAY.
YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING TO ABOUT 100, 000.
>> GO BACK TO THE NUMBERS OF THE OVERLAY I CAN'T REMEMBER 345 OR SOMETHING.
>> 900 WAS TAKEN IN IT BY THE DESIGN PAVEMENT SECTION.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO STAY CONCRETE IF WE DID AN ASPHALT BLACK SPACE AND IT DID HAVE SOME THICKNESS.
YOU'RE PROBABLY THINKING WE HAVE THE DOLLAR, BUT WE'RE JUST GOING THROUGH A DIFFICULT.
>> OUTSIDE THE S CURVE? YOU GET BEYOND THE SAFETY ISSUES WITH SECTION OF ROADWAY [INAUDIBLE] DESIGN AND DOES ALL THE DRAINAGE TO IT, YOU WANT TO HAVE A DESIGN CONCRETE, ASPHALT, WHATEVER SECTION YOU HAVE.
YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING 1800 TO 900 DOLLARS JUST WANTED REMIX WHAT IS THEIR FOR THE PAVEMENT SECTIONS AND DO DRAINAGE AND IT'S GOING TO BE LESS MONEY.
>> JUST FROM MY OWN PERSPECTIVE AS I LOOK AT ALL THE ROWS AND TAKE LINEAR FEET AND IDENTIFY WHAT WE THINK THE COST IS GOING TO BE, THAT'S MY ONLY REASON I'M ASKING.
TO ME I WAS GOING TO SAY IF I LOOKED AT A ROAD AND I WANTED TO DO THE OVERLAY ON IT WITH THE GLASS LINING, THAT WAS 395 AND ADD I ADD 315 FOR DRAINAGE SO I'M AT 725 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
NOW YOU'RE SAYING 8 OR 900 SO WHERE IS THE EXTRA COST? I DON'T WANT TO USE 700 BECAUSE YOU SAID, EIGHT OR NINE, IF YOU DO YOU THINK IT'S EIGHT OR NINE THEN I WANT TO CHANGE THE NUMBERS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE ESTIMATE THE OTHER ROADS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] FOR SAFETY ISSUE.
>> IF YOU WANT ANOTHER SECTION OF THE ROAD.
>> SO I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
COULD YOU PLEASE REFRESH MY MEMORY WHAT METHOD WAS USED ON SPRING HILL? WHAT WAS THAT DESCRIBED TO BE ON THE CHART?
>> [INAUDIBLE] SPRING HILL STAYS.
WE ADDED CEMENT TO WHATEVER WAS THERE, THE BASE, THE ASPHALT, WE CAME IN, I THINK IT WAS AN INCH AND A HALF OF HOT MIX AND THERE WE ACTUALLY USED A FIBERGLASS GRID AND HOWEVER A HARDCORE BASICALLY AND THEN WE DO THESE OUT THAT GRID OFF.
>> WOULD THAT BE THE PRICING [OVERLAPPING].
>> WAS QUITE REASONABLE LIKE ESSENTIAL
>> WAS THAT CONSIDERED LIKE THE REMIXED PRICING AND THE PRICE CHART?
>> [INAUDIBLE] GRID NOW. [INAUDIBLE].
>> WOULD THAT BE DESCRIBED AS THE OVERLAY METHOD OR THE REMIX METHOD?
>> THAT WILL BE THE REMIX [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT WOULD JUST BE THE REMIX ON WHAT YOU HAVE [INAUDIBLE] TO OVERLAY.
THE OTHER IS THE RECONSTRUCT WHERE WE TAKE ALL THAT THEN OBEYS OUT WHATEVER IT IS, AND JUST PUT [INAUDIBLE] INTO THE BASE
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[INAUDIBLE].>> OKAY. YEAH. I GUESS OUR CHALLENGE HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE 2 MILLION AND WE WANT TO TRY TO HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON WHAT WE DO, AND WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION.
IF WE THEN INSTEAD GO TO REMIX, IF THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID IN SPRINGFIELD, SPRINGFIELD HAS HELD UP VERY WELL AND IT'S ALSO A PRETTY HIGH TRAFFICKED ROAD.
AND SO I GUESS IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR A RESPONSIBLE SOLUTION IN A BUDGET WE HAVE?
>> WHAT WE DO FOR THE [INAUDIBLE]. YOU HAD A QUESTION. YES. IT WOULDN'T BE.
BUT WITH ALL HAVE SAID YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE AN ENGINEER PAVEMENT SECTION THAT WOULD HAVE A DESIGN LIFE OF 20 OR 30 YEARS.
I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THAT DESIGN LIFE IS BECAUSE IT WAS JUST, THE THE MONEY THAT WE HAD, WE COULD DO SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHAT THE CITY HAD BEEN DOING IN THE PAST.
THIS AREA WE HAD NOT REALLY USED BEFORE, AND WE SAID, LET'S USE IT, LET'S SEE WHAT WE GET TO IT. JUNIOR, YOUR QUESTION.
>> NO. SO ALL THAT WE'VE DONE ON THAT S CURVE IS RE-MIX AND PUT HOT MICS ON TOP OF IT.
SO IF WE WERE TO DO IT AGAIN TODAY, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO BECAUSE WE'VE DONE IT TWICE IS GET RID OF THAT MATERIAL UNDERNEATH BECAUSE WE CAN'T STABILIZE IT ANYMORE.
BUT THE FLEX BASIS AND USE THE FABRIC WITH TWO SANDWICHED BETWEEN TWO LIST OF HOT MIX.
WHERE WE THINK THAT WILL BUY US A GOOD CHUNK OF TIME, BUT WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDERNEATH TO SAY, LET'S DO A PAVEMENT DESIGN, THIS TRAFFIC VOLUMES, ALL THOSE THINGS TO SAY, YEAH, WE'RE PROJECTING A 20-YEAR LIFE OR A 30-YEAR LIFE.
WE PUT UP AN INCH AND A HALF A HOT MIX.
WE PUT THE FABRIC IN AN INCH AND A HALF OF RIDING SURFACE ON TOP.
THAT'S ALL WE'D GET THE DEVELOPER TO DO.
>> IF WE TALK ABOUT THE OTHER STREETS THAT ARE LOWER CONDITION.
JUST AS WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO, THERE'S THREE OTHERS THAT ARE IN LOWER CONDITION THAN THE OTHER COLLECTOR STREETS, AND THAT'S CHURCH LANE, WHICH I THINK HAS OTHER ISSUES.
I HATE TO SAY IT HAS OTHER ISSUES, BUT DEVELOPMENT AND STUFF, I THINK.
I DO HOPE WE CAN FIND WAYS TO PATCH OR TO KEEP THAT MOVABLE ON CHURCH LANE.
BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS A PROBLEM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RESIDENTS THERE.
>> THAT'S WHAT MY RECORD SHOW AS WELL.
I MEAN, IS THAT A ROAD WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT? [OVERLAPPING] IT'S 2000.
THEN THE NEXT TWO THAT ARE IN POOR CONDITION OR GRAY LANE FROM PARKER ROAD TO GREGORY AND THAT'S 2,200 LINEAR FEET.
THEN DONNA WHO LANE FROM HACK BURIED TO DONNA, WHICH IS 2000 LINEAR FEET.
>> THOSE ARE THE OTHER STREETS WE CAN'T IGNORE.
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>> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN'T FIT IT INTO THIS PHASE BUT IT NEEDS TO BE IN A [OVERLAPPING] PLANNED CURRENT YET AS SOON AS POSSIBLE PHASE.... [INAUDIBLE]
>> I DON'T RECALL THAT [INAUDIBLE] THIS YEAR OF WORK THAT HAS TO DO THAT THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION, BUT THAT'S WHAT I RECONSTRUCT. I WOULD SAY THAT [INAUDIBLE]
THAT'S TRUE. I THINK YOU DON'T HAVE TO WE'RE NOT GOING IN I THINK JOHN IS SAYING HERE AND GET THAT WRONG, JOHN.
I'M SORRY. GO BACK TO WHATEVER.
WHAT WHAT WHAT IS THE ULTIMATE SECTION THAT YOU WANT FOR A 20-YEAR LIFE? WHAT DOES [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] THAT CONDITION TODAY? THAT THEY NEED REMEDIAL WORK.
REMEDIAL WORK? DIFFERENT HOURS OR DAYS AND STILL NOT DOING ANYTHING.
GREAT. GRADES? YEAH, BECAUSE I LOOK AT THE S- CURVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S NOT 2,000 SQ FT.
WE'RE WORKING WITH A WHOLE STRETCH OF ROAD.
WE'RE JUST DOING A SMALL SECTION THERE.
YEAH, 500 FT OF THAT AREA THERE.
FOR SOME REASON I MIGHT HAVE MISSED THAT, I THOUGHT.
OKAY. WE'LL HAVE TO PROBABLY BRING SOME KNEE FLEX SPACE IN THERE AND RECONSTRUCT IN THAT AREA.
AND EVEN TODAY S CURVE THE RADIUS.
YOU WANT TO HAVE STOP SIGNS OF 50 MPH.
GET OUT. ARE THAT ROAD IS OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TODAY, RIGHT AWAY.
PROPERTY OWNER, WE CAN ADJUST THE CURVE AND THESE GOOD DESIGN SPEED AND 20 MPH IN VEGAS CURVE, BUT REALLY PROUD AND WE'VE RECOMMENDED THAT STOP SIGN.
THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT AND THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY.
IF WE KEEP DOING THAT NOTE ADDRESSED, THE DRAINAGE ISN'T GOING TO KEEP WASHING OUT, YOU KNOW, IF SO.
AND HOW LONG ARE WE WASTING OUR MONEY? WHAT ARE WE DOING? TO START OFF? I MEAN, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO NOT PUT GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD ON SOMETHING.
I MEAN, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THAT S CURVE.
WE'VE DONE IT TWICE WITH THE OVERLAY AND IT DIDN'T WORK, THEN WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND KIND OF REVIEW THE SCHEDULE WITH MR.
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BIRKHOFF TO SEE THE KIND OF THE AREAS WE HAD IDENTIFIED.SO I THINK THE INFORMATION IN HERE, IT'S JUST WE HAVE TO PICK YEAH.
I THINK TO CARRY ON THE SAME POINT YOU JUST MADE, WHICH IS WE JUST REALLY NEED TO JUST PUT SOMETHING DOWN AS OUR INITIAL BUDGET AND THEN WE CAN REVIEW IT AND EDIT IT IF WE NEEDED.
BUT I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST START WITH ALLOCATING FUNDS AND THEN MAKE EDITORIAL CHANGES AFTER WE HAVE A START POINT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE PUT DOWN LIKE ONE-AND-A-HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR DUBLIN SOUTH.
I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE DON'T CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OF THE S CURVE AND INSTEAD JUST PUT STOP SIGNS THAT THE CREEK SIDE AND IS IT EDGEWATER OR THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT SPAN THAT CURVE THAT WE JUST PUT STOP SIGNS.
THEY ARE TO HAVE AN EFFECT TO SLOW THE TRAFFIC DOWN.
SO THEY'VE GOT TO STOP AT THIS ROAD BEFORE.
THEN THEY'RE GOING FROM A FULL STOP TO GO THROUGH THE S-CURVE AND THEN GOING THROUGH AND TRIED TO APPROACH IT FROM THAT WAY.
AND THEN IF THAT IS NOT A GOOD WAY, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CHOOSE ANOTHER WAY.
AND I DID TALK WITH LUKE ABOUT THIS TOO BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE ANY ANY STATE LAWS THAT SAID WE CAN'T.
BUT THE OTHER THING TO ME THAT'S IMPORTANT IS WHAT ARE THE BEST PRACTICES? BECAUSE I CAN SEE I DON'T WANT US TO PUT START PUTTING STOP SIGNS DOWN AND HAVING PEOPLE COMING TO GARY, YOU'RE SAYING I WANT TO STOP? YEAH. I MEAN YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S NATURE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT THOSE SIGNS AND THERE ARE LEGITIMATE REASONS SOMETIMES THAT WE NEED THEM AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THEM, BUT MAYBE THERE'S AN ORDINANCE THAT WE NEED OR OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A POLICY OF PRACTICE OR WHAT TO KEEP OUR CITY STAFF FROM GETTING INUNDATED WITH REQUESTS FOR STOP SIGNS THAT SAYS WE WILL WE WILL ONLY PUT STOP SIGNS WHEN THERE IS AN ENGINEERING CONVERSATION I HAD WITH OTHER CITIES.
THEY HAVE PUT OUT WITH SOMETHING BECAUSE IT WAS GET REQUESTS.
YOU'LL FIND I KNOW I GREW UP I GREW UP IN A LITTLE BIT.
YIELD SIGN OR A STOP SIGN AT EVERY INTERSECTION AND JUST DRIVE THE COMPLETELY INSANE WHEN YOU GET THERE.
>> THIS IS THE ONE WHO TOLD ME THAT HAVE SET OUT UNDER THE TRAFFIC. IT SAYS IT HAS TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA FOR STUMPS.
ONE IS DUTY ENGINEERING MEETS HER CREDIT FOR IT.
WHAT DID WE FIND? 92,003 THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO DO IT BY REFERENCE, WHICH WOULD BE SIMILAR, BUT IT SAYS YOU CAN'T ENFORCE IT UNLESS IT'S BY ORDINANCE, THEN THERE WAS NO WAY TO ENFORCE THAT STOP SIGN.
SO I'M ASSUMING PEOPLE BUT WHEN YOU SAID AN ORDINANCE LIKE SO COUNSELED TO PASS AN ORDINANCE WELL, THEY HAVE TO PASS IT ON AND SAID THAT THAT STOP SIGN IS ALLOWED TO GO THERE.
THAT WAY. IT'S AN ENFORCEABLE TRAFFIC INFRACTION IS WHERE THE STATE CAME BACK TO.
THE CAUTION IS BECAUSE I GET CALLS OUT TO GET THEM ALL RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT'S SPELLED RIGHT? MUCH CALLS STOP SIGN. AND THEN I COULD CALL THEM AND SAY MERGE OR THEY WANT TO TAKE A DAY.
BOTH SIDES. YEAH, YEAH, I GET IT.
IN THIS CASE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO IMPEDE THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST SHOWED ALL THAT DATA.
AND ONE THING I WANT TO, AS I SAID,
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THAT I'M LOOKING AT ALL THESE AND THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE ALL SPEED.SO SPEED THROUGH AN AREA THAT WE'RE IN WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T BE SPEEDING, STOP SIGN THERE.
THAT GRANT JUST LIKE YOU SAID, YOU HAVE 15% OF PEOPLE WILL GO IF YOU'RE 90 MI AN HOUR AND HOW SOFT IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IT'LL STOP SOME PEOPLE AND IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE HIGHEST ACCIDENT RATE THERE, IT REDUCES A FIVE PER CENT AND I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THAT.
WE'VE DONE SOMETHING AND THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD GO BACK TO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH. LIKE IT WOULD BE GARY, MYSELF, ENGINEER AND THEIR DATA WE HAVE WE SEEN IT YEAH.
THAT WE WOULD SIT DOWN IF SOMEONE REQUESTS ONE, THEY WOULD COME TO US FIRST.
WE'D SIT DOWN, LOOK AT AS HE DID MED TRAFFIC COUNTS, STUDIES, ALL THAT STUFF BEFORE IT EVEN GOT TO COUNT THE CRITERIA.
THERE'S NO REASON TO BREAK IF THERE ARE NO ACCIDENTS, TRAFFIC COUNTS.
SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT.
I COULD ASK ALL THE TIME AND I'M SURE SOME OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT PUDDING, EVERYBODY WANTED TO STOP GIVING THEM ANY CRITERIA FOR IT.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND THE CHEAPEST METHOD THAT'S NOT THE BLAME AND STOP SIGNS ARE EXPENSIVE.
YEAH. I DIDN'T WANT TO REQUIRE SOME SUBSTANTIAL STRUCTURE.
>> ANOTHER CONSIDERATION [OVERLAPPING].
>> CAN WE [LAUGHTER] GET BACK TO OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS LIKE THAT.
I AGREE WITH THE STOP SIGNS QUESTION ON THE 1.5 MILLION.
AGAIN, I'M SORRY TO REPEAT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ON THE S CURVE.
THERE'S SOME IMMEDIATE NEEDS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN OR IT SOUNDS LIKE PLUS WE'RE WANTING TO DO A PROPER REPAIR OF THAT S CURVE.
ARE WE GOING TO LET IT BE AS IT IS UNTIL WE'RE READY TO DO A PROPER REPAIR OF THE S CURVE OR?
>> WHAT JOHN AND I TALKED ABOUT IS DOING THE WORK, IF WE JUST SAT ON THESE 3 ROADS.
LEWIS, CURTIS AND CURTIS IN WITH WHATEVER WAS LEFT OVER, IN AS MUCH AS WE COULDN'T THOUGH, BUT WE CAN GET THESE THREE PIECES DONE.
TALKING ABOUT DOING AN S CURVE, A BETTER REPAIR OF THE ESTIMATOR AND [INAUDIBLE] YOU DON'T WANT TO GO LIKE [INAUDIBLE].
>> BUT IF WE GO NORTH BY DEBORAH, WE WOULD NATURALLY DEVELOPED FOR SECTION.
>> ON LOUIS, WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THAT BUS STATION [OVERLAPPING] AREA THAT IS WITHIN THAT SECTION.
WE ONLY GOT SHORT SECTION THERE.
FERTILIZATION, NOR DOES NOT INVOLVE ONE REALLY BAD AREA THAT NEEDED.
THERE'S PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE THE SAME FOR THE MOUTH AND THEN WE'LL CALCULATE THE MOMENT.
SO AND WE DO SAY IT'S 500 FEET.
FACE THE SITUATION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? 444.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS SHORT-TERM IS ANOTHER THING THAT WON'T MAKE SURE THAT WE DID BEFORE YOU JUST PRODUCE ANY MORE CURRENT ON THE RIGHT.
BUT THEN DUBLIN, THE S-CURVE IS ABOUT 508.
SO IS THAT OKAY? FOR OUR RECORDS ARE SAYING CREEK SIDE TO EDGEWATER IS 1,583 LINEAR FIELD.
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I'M PROBABLY JUST ASK HER THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY'RE TALKING AND DOING A WAR.IT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO YEAH, THERE ARE, YEAH, YEAH, THEY ARE.
REALLY. BUT HERE'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
WHAT MARGARET, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT IF WE REVIEW THOSE IN A CERTAIN WAY, PART OF THE NODE THAT S CURVE, WHEN YOU DID, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU DID JUST AN OVERLAY. NOTHING, NO.
OKAY. BUT THESE ARE OTHER PARTS OF DUBLIN BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL SITUATION THAT WE COULD DO THAT MAYBE WE HAVE WE OVERLAID ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT? WE HAVE. OKAY. WE'LL LET THAT GO BACK.
AND IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS.
THERE'S BEEN THREE AND WATCH THAT.
SO AS YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE A WAY TO MAKE YOUR DOLLAR RESTRICTION A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND THEN YOU HAVE A LONGER-TERM PLAN.
I MEAN, I AGREE WITH THE LOOK.
I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT RECONSTRUCT FOR SOME OF THESE AREAS.
I MEAN, THIS IS LIKE A WORD THAT I DON'T WANT TO SAY IF THE BOTTOM BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE BIG MONEY.
BUT FOR THIS RISK CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN GOING BANKRUPT, SMBS, YES.
NO CAP ON ROADS AND SO BECOMING PART OF THIS CONVERSATION, BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, SOME VERY TACTICAL REPORT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
SO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME GET BACK TOGETHER.
I THINK YOU'VE COVERED A HEGEL AND ROUND. I THINK IT'S BEEN A REALLY GOOD.
BUT WE NEED TO REMEMBER, I WANT TO COME OUT HERE WITH SOME PLAN.
IF THE PLANE IS THAT WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER ABOUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND WE NEED GOOD MORNING.
STRATEGIC PART OF IT. I'M COOL WITH THAT.
WE CAN ALL USE TACTICAL APARTMENT, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOMETHING DONE.
SO WHEN I WAS DOING WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE A GROUP HERE AND I WANT TO DO THIS, BUT I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH NUMBERS UP THAT DAY WAS TO ENTERTAIN THEM AND 200 K HEARD IS ON.
SURE. THAT THAT'S A WEIRD ONE BECAUSE I GOT THE COUNTY AND ALL THAT INVOLVED. RIGHT.
YOU KNOW WHAT ESSENTIALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS LARGE AS OURS AND LOUIS WERE TALKING ABOUT AS LARGE AS OURS. OKAY.
SO ON THAT REALLY I ADD A LUCAS'S.
YEAH. JUST DRESS THE NORTH-SOUTH STRANDS.
BUT LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
HOW MUCH LEVERAGE DO YOU HAVE TO GO OUT THERE? AND WE SPENT TO DO KIND OF AN OVERLAY SCENARIO THERE.
AND KIND OF PUT A BUG IN THEIR EAR AND SAY LIKE, HEY, THAT FITS THAT SECTION.
CONVERSATION WITH LEUKOCYTE AND DOCUMENT OR AN ACADEMIC CONVERSATION WANDER LOUIS COUNTY IN ON THAT TOO? YEAH. MAYBE TRYING TO GET UPDATES, BUT ABOVE, WHERE DO YOU GET EVERYBODY INVOLVED? THE NEWNESS AND ONE TIME, WHAT WOULD THAT SAY? WHAT PERSONAL LUCAS'S PERCENTAGE.
OKAY. THEY SOUNDED LIKE ARE YOU INTERESTED IN THEY SENT OVER SOME INFORMATION.
I DISAGREE WITH YOUR QUESTION.
THEY SAID WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK SESSIONS THAT I DON'T THINK.
SO. I WISH YOU'D GOTTEN CONVERSATION.
YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. BUT I MEAN, COULD HE EVER MEETING YOU? WHAT WE GRADE IS THAT SAY WE COME UP WITH THE CURRENT SECTION.
NO. NO. SO ANYWAY, I I WAS I WAS JUST KINDA PUTTING SOME NUMBERS ON THESE TACTICAL THINGS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THE MORE STRATEGIC STUFF ON THE ROADS.
BUT IF LOUIS IS 200 FOR THAT 500 FOOT SECTION AND WE CAN GET EVERYBODY ELSE INVOLVED TO GET THAT.
AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET CLOSER, WE COULD COME THROUGH WITH PLANS THAT WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO START DOING THESE THINGS, GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO ACTUALLY GET PEOPLE OUT, BIDS ON IT, ALL THIS OTHER KIND OF STUFF.
WE COULD WORK THAT ALL OUT, BUT SAY ANOTHER 200 K FOR CURTIS AND 200 FOR DUBLIN FOR JUST THE S. NOW AFTER THAT, WHAT ARE WE WHAT ARE WE START LOOKING AT? SO YOU'D HAVE ESSENTIALLY ANOTHER MILLION BUCKS.
SAY YOU'D HAVE ANOTHER I'M SORRY.
LET'S JUST START WITH THAT ONE. YOU JUST START THERE.
WELL, I LOOKED AT EVERYBODY FOR THAT.
I WANT MINE ALLOCATING SOME OF THE OTHER FUNDS SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THOSE, AT LEAST FROM A, FROM A TOP-DOWN VIEW VIEW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS.
MY THOUGHT. WELL, WHAT GARY WAS SAYING THAT THE SECTIONS THESE WERE SUBSECTIONS NOW,
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LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT RANDY EARLIER, BALLPARK AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE, BUT HE WAS SAYING FIVE TO 700 FT FOR LOUIS.OKAY. DUBLIN, THE S CURVE IS 500 FT AS WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED.
AND THEN CURTIS, I THINK YOU BALLPARK ANOTHER 500 FT. ALRIGHT.
SO I WAS GOING LOW BALL ON LEWIS OF LEWIS MIGHT BE MORE LIKE 200 OR 300 K IF YOU GO 700 FT, BUT IF THEY'RE ALL 500, I WAS DOING BALLPARK NUMBERS OF $400 A LINEAR FOOT YOU MULTIPLY THAT, THAT'S 200 K FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE FLEX BASE ASPHALT SECTION PROCESS.
THIS ISN'T DRAINAGE. THIS IS ONLY ROADS OFF, RIGHT? VERY CLEAR. YEAH.
YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE.
WE KNOW THAT THE WAY THAT WE DID THE S CURVE BEFORE WAS NOT THIS METHOD.
SO WE THINK THAT IT'LL PROBABLY WOULD LAST LONGER.
BUT I'M, I'M I MEAN, THEY WILL HAVE TO SAY WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS OF IT IF IT MAKES SENSE TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE, IF HE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE DRAINAGE.
YOU SAID THE DRAINAGE IS A LITTLE COMPLICATED BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT TO THE SOUTH AND ALL THE WAY ACROSS TO GO ACROSS THE CREEK.
BUT WHATEVER THAT IT IS, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, I WOULD SUPPOSE.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE FOR WHAT WE WANNA DO, TACTICALLY SHORT-TERM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IF THEY COULD GET THE DRAINAGE DONE IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WE CAN WORK IT IN AND I WOULD SAY GO FOR IT, LET'S GET IT DONE.
BUT AT LEAST YOU'D HAVE AN UPGRADED ROAD SURFACE.
IT'S STILL A BAND-AID, BUT IT MIGHT BE A BUTTERFLY RATHER THAN JUST A BAND-AID OUT OF THE PACKAGE AS THE ONE I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
AND NOW WE CAN LOOK AT SO AGAIN, BALLPARK JUST TO KINDA GET TO SOMETHING, SO WE GET SOME SEA OF 600 K. NOW YOU HAVE 1.4 LEFT THAT WE CAN DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE WHILE.
WE SAID WE HAVE AN EXTRA 200,000.
SO I MEAN, FOR ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES, YOU COULD SAY THAT 1.4 IS STILL ON THE TABLE THAT WE COULD ALLOCATE THAT FOR WHATEVER WE WANNA DO.
WOULD IT BE FOR THESE SAFETY ISSUES THAT RANDY WAS TALKING ABOUT? WE TAKE CARE OF THAT WITH THE S CURVE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THERE OR ARE WE JUST GO TO THE VERY PORES AND WE DO? THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION.
I MEAN THAT'S WHY I ASKED WHEN THE LAST TIME THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY PATCHED AND HE SAID, I THINK IT'S LIKE FOUR YEARS AGO.
IT WAS LAST TIME IT WAS PATCHED.
THE QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH OF IT COULD YOU DO A LESSER REPAIR WITH THAT? AGAIN, IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO LAST, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING.
>> YEAH AND WITH THAT WE WILL NOT FIX THE DRAINAGE.
>> YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT THAT MUCH MONEY.
>> IT'S NOT MUCH BUT WE [INAUDIBLE] BUT IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT BUDGETS THAT WE NEED TO COVER AND THEY BOTH SHOULD BE HAND-IN-HAND, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO DRAINAGE OUT OF THE STREET BUDGET.
WE SHOULD ADD A COLUMN IF WE COULD LOOK NEXT TO LIKE COLUMN N AND ADD DRAINAGE AND THEN THAT'S FROM A DIFFERENT FUND, BUT WE NEED TO ESTIMATE HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE NEED TO ALLOCATE FROM A DIFFERENT FUND ON DRAINAGE.
>> THE WATER LINE BUDGET SO ADD THE DRAINAGE COLUMN AND ADD THE WATER COLUMN AND THE TWO SEPARATE FUNDS BUT THEY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE WHOLE PROJECT.
DUBLIN DOES HAVE QUITE A BIT OF PROBLEMS ON IT.
BUT I MEAN, TO PATCH IT WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE DRAINAGE.
THE PART WE'RE DOING ON LOUIS ISN'T A BIG PIECE TO WHERE DRAINAGE IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE THERE OR IS IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WHERE THE WATER COMES OR CROSSES.
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>> YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT OVERLAY.
I MEAN NOT JUST OVERLAY OR GOING TO HAVE GLASS PAVE.
>> IT'S GOING TO HAVE A GLASS PAVE A LOT LIKE WHAT THEY HAD.
>> I THINK THAT WAS THE NUMBER WE HAD.
YEAH, THAT WAS THE 300S WITH THE NUMBER WE HAD BEEN GIVEN.
[OVERLAPPING] THEY HAD A LOT LARGER AREA.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE DO MAYBE IF THE NUMBER IT WILL DO IS I'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS HAVE IT I WOULD GET THAT NUMBER GO DOWN [INAUDIBLE]
>> OR MAYBE YOU CAN GET MORE DONE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY IT WILL BE DUMPED OUT.
NOW OF COURSE, IF THEY'RE OVER THERE, LOUIS TOGETHER PROBABLY WOULDN'T DO IT RIGHT THERE, BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POINT IS THAT WHAT ELSE COULD WE DO IN PARKER? HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE US TO GO OVER TO THE PLAN? [OVERLAPPING].
>> BUT THE AREA THAT IT'S A LOT CHEAPER AND MOBILIZATION COMES OUT, THAT'S WHERE THEY HIDE A LOT OF THEIR MONEY CONTRACT AND I'VE HAD FIVE MILES AWAY FILE TRACKING [INAUDIBLE] AND ONE THAT'S 40 MILES AWAY, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S $40,000.
>> YEAH, BUT THAT'S THE POINT IS THAT DO WE ROLL AND ENSURE [INAUDIBLE] SOMETHING ELSE, SINCE THEY'RE VERY POOR AND SAFETY AND WE CAN NOTICE IN BIDS GOING OUT ALSO BECAUSE I THINK HE COOL ABOUT THAT BEFORE HE WOULD MAYBE A LITTLE BIT WIDER SCOPE.
>> ADDRESS SOME OF OUR RESIDENTIAL.
>> I THINK TERI SAID IT. WELL, WHAT I WAS JUST SAYING IS IF WE GET A LITTLE BIT WIDER SCOPE ON THAT AND MAYBE HE HIT CHURCH LANE DOWN.
IF THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE PICK.
THAT NOW YOU'RE HITTING SOME COLLECTOR ROADS, YOU'RE HITTING AN AREA WITH THE S CURVE, THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM AND WITH ALL GOOD FAITH, WE CAN SAY, LOOK OUR BUDGET IS WHAT IT IS.
WE'RE GOING WITH A HIGHER-COST SOLUTION THAT WE KNOW HAS BEEN PROVEN TO WORK BETTER WITHIN PARKER SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH, WE'RE GOING TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS.
WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THE IMPACT IS LUKE AS AN ACTION OF WHAT OTHER DRAINAGE STUFF IS, AND THEN WE HIT CURTIS AND WE HIT LOUIS ALSO WITH THE SAME SOLUTIONS AND NOW WE FIXED, I DON'T KNOW, 1,500 SQUARE FEET PLUS WHATEVER WE CAN DO IN THOSE OTHER ONES AND THEN SEE WHAT THAT COMES OUT AS.
>> NO, I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU IN THE REST OF THE DUBLIN.
>> I WAS GOING WITH WHAT GARY WAS SAYING.
>> BUT AGAIN, NOT JUST LIKE BEING FLIPPANT ABOUT IT AND THEY REGARD, BUT IF IT IS MORE THAN THAT, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING 600K FOR THOSE 200K POP SO I MEAN, IF IT'S ANOTHER 50K OR 60K TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE FURTHER ON BOTH SIDES, AND LUKE WORKS HIS MAGIC AND GETS DOWN THE COST FROM 390 TO 290 BECAUSE HE HAS SOMEBODY COMING OUT THEN MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT NOW.
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>> [INAUDIBLE] OR TALKING ABOUT IT FUNDAMENTALLY OR WHAT WE WANT TO DO FROM OUR BIG STANDPOINT OF THESE OTHER ROADS, THE COLLECTORS.
>> SO HOW MUCH MONEY CAN WE ALLOCATE TOWARDS THE OTHER THREE ROUTES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ARE IN SEVERE AND VERY POOR CONDITION?
>> WHEN WE GET ANOTHER, ARE WE ALLOCATING FUNDS OR WE GET ANOTHER ESTIMATE SAYING, HERE'S THE ROADS WE WANT.
GENERALLY, I THINK THEY KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND THEY COME BACK WITH AN ESTIMATE OR WE'RE JUST PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS THAT OR WHAT?
>> WE JUST KEEP THESE ROADS, AND COME BACK WITH AN ESTIMATE BECAUSE WE WOULD RATHER COME BACK WITH THE CONTRACT STAFF.
THAT WAY WE'RE TYING UP A CONTRACTOR FOR MOBILIZATION BECAUSE WE JUST SAW THAT [INAUDIBLE] A CONTRACT THE INTEGRAL [OVERLAPPING] DALLAS COUNTY AND [OVERLAPPING] SO THAT YOU HAVE A MATERIAL PRICE THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO PARTICIPATE BECAUSE THAT'S THE BIT THAT MEANS THAT CONTENT AND THAT MIGHT MAKE IT A LOT EASIER.
>> HAVE A COUNTY MAP AT THE SAME TIME.
>> IT MIGHT BE EASIER FOR US TO GET THEM ONLINE.
SO WE SET A COUPLE OF WEEKS [INAUDIBLE]
>> I THINK SO AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BUDGET, WE'LL HAVE THAT PLACEHOLDER NUMBER THAT IF IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT, WE WILL ADDRESS THAT AS TO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT WORK.
>> THE ACTION YOU'RE GOING TO PAY ESSENTIALLY.
WE'LL BE WORKING AT AN S CURVE [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE]
>> I GOT TO WALK. THERE WE GO.
SO WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING JUST AS AN ACTION.
SO WE'VE GOT ALL THESE ACTIONS CAPTURED.
SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT LOUIS CURTIS, RIGHT? AND ASK HER.
>> AND THEN ABC. AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING OUTSIDE THAT S CURVE IF WE DIDN'T GET PRICING ON THAT.
>> AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE, I KNOW THAT, JOHN HAS TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY'VE GONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT FROM JUST A BALLPARK IN IT, WE'RE SAYING THAT'S GOING TO BE SIX OR 700 K, LET'S SAY.
NOW WE'RE SAYING, IF WE HAVE ANOTHER 1.3, 1.4 TO SPEND, I WAS SAYING THAT WE WOULD GO BACK AND ALSO ASK ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] GRAY AND [INAUDIBLE] IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS IN AGREEMENT THAT THEY MAY NOT BE.
>> SO I WOULD ASK ABOUT, LIKE [INAUDIBLE]
>> AND WE WILL BE TALKING TO DO THOSE THAT WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE TALKING PATCHING, RIGHT? SO YEAH, WE MIGHT AS WELL.
[BACKGROUND] LET'S SEE WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST.
>> YEAH, WE'LL BE THERE. WE'LL DO IF ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] AND WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AND SEE GRINDING UP WITH SECTION [INAUDIBLE] BASED OF THOSE AREAS THAT I KNOW.
YOU HAVE MOISTURE GETTING THERE.
AND THEN GOT [NOISE] [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> [OVERLAPPING] I GUESS LIKE THE STOP SIGN.
>> YOU'LL STILL HAVE [INAUDIBLE]
>> [INAUDIBLE] ABOUT 10 GRAND IS LESS THAN THAT.
>> I THINK THERE WAS A FIVE OR SIX AS WELL.
THAT'S WHAT I GOT A WHILE BACK.
SO THAT NUMBER IS ALL DUE REFRESH THIS POLYGON.
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>> SO IT'S MORE OF JUST AN ILLUSION WHERE WE MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S NARROWER AND IT'S NOT.
AND IT SLOWS PEOPLE DOWN IN THIS COMPANY FOR IT AND IT'S REALLY HELPED OUT.
>> AND I WOULD RECOMMEND MAYBE DOING SOMETHING THAT ALL OF THIS OUT THERE ALSO [OVERLAPPING].
>> YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU [INAUDIBLE] ADDRESSED. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THIS ONE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT JUST SOMETHING THAT WASN'T FITTING, BUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON GOING OUT AND ACQUIRING RIGHT AT PLAY STRAIGHTENING OUT OCCURRED TO ME.
>> THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY DO THAT OVER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT WAS WEIRD LOOKING AT IS JUST SOMETHING I'VE NOTICED.
>> SO THIS MEETING WAS THAT IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
THAT'S ALL WE NOTICED. I DON'T TAKE PERMISSION TO TAKE ACTION FOR THE PUBLIC ON PARTICULAR STREETS.
BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT YOU WANT TO KIND OF REFINE THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE DISCUSSED TODAY AND COME BACK.
WHEN YOU SAY COME BACK, DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK TO A COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO MISS THE 15TH BECAUSE OUR HOSTING DEADLINE IS FRIDAY.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE THAT WOULD BE THE FIFTH, WHICH IS ALSO FINAL BUDGET DAY.
AND THEN I WAS LIKE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT COMING BACK TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION TO ADOPT TO SEE? OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO ADOPT IT AT A FULL COUNCIL, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU'RE QUITE READY.
RIGHT NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRIAGE.
SO JUST GETTING CLARITY THERE.
>> WE'RE GOING TO COME UP TO THE COLDER SOON.
>> NOBODY WANTS A BIG PROJECT RIGHT NOW. [INAUDIBLE]
>> YEAH. WELL, THEY CAN'T DO MUCH WORK, ASPHALT WORK BECAUSE WHAT'S THE TEMPERATURE GOT TO BE IN RISING JOHN OR ASPHALT 50 AND RISING.
>> USUALLY THE ASPHALT SEASON END.
>> YOU'RE KIND OF ROLLING THE DICE WHEN YOU DO THOSE KIND OF WORK AT THAT TIME FRAMES ON.
>> [INAUDIBLE] AUGUST 22ND FOR THOSE WHO [INAUDIBLE]
>> [OVERLAPPING] BREAK THE 22ND MIGHT BE PUSHING THAT INFORMATION.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT INFORMATION NEEDED SO THAT WE HAVE PROPER DISCUSSION.
AND WHEN WE GET BACK TOGETHER, I ALSO LIKE POINTED OUT THIS IS FOR THREE ODD BECAUSE REALLY WE'RE STILL DOING [OVERLAPPING].
>> MY DAUGHTER IS RUNNING FOR NORTH TEXAS PRINCESS AND I'VE GOT STUFF GOING ON THAT NIGHT, BUT THE FAIR POSSIBLY.
I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT A DAMPER ON STUFF. I'M SORRY.
>> I'M STILL TRYING TO DO A COUPLE OF HOUSE BILLS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] STRATEGIC SIDE OF IT.
>> YOU WANT TO BE HERE NECESSARILY DO THE WORK.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'D HAVE TO BE.
>> I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE ABOUT 20 SECONDS IS AN ISSUE TO YOU.
>> IF YOU HAVE ALL THIS NOW, SO THEN YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO THIS DATA AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT THE PRICING IN ALL THIS, ON ALL THAT, THAT THEY WOULD AT THIS TIME AND KIND OF SAY,
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FOR THE THREE OFF PART OF THIS TACTILE THING, WE'RE GOING TO GO IN TRIGGER.AND WE SAY GO DO IT. CAN YOU GET IT DONE BEFORE OCTOBER? AND HE SAID, YEAH.
BUT, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF [OVERLAPPING] CONVERSATIONS ON, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE REST OF THE DOUBLE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH OTHER PARTS OF [INAUDIBLE] WE NEED TO PAY OFF THE TABLE IF YOU DO THIS UP, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO GO AND SOMEHOW MAYBE [INAUDIBLE] LOUIS COME OFF THE TABLE.
WE DO SOMETHING THAT LASTS FOR FIVE YEARS.
THEY COME OFF THE TABLE AT THE TOP ONES, MAYBE STILL DOWN THREE OR FOUR YEARS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, BUT WE STILL HAVE THAT HIERARCHY SOMEHOW.
[OVERLAPPING] AND I THINK BETWEEN THE FORWARD BIAS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] DO WE HAVE THESE ARE AWFULLY LIMIT.
>> I'LL MOVE THEM DOWN THE LIST. [OVERLAPPING]
>> AND GIVE US TIME TO MAKE DECISION [OVERLAPPING].
>> BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A HIERARCHY WE WANTED TO DO AND WE CAN LOOK AT THEM AND THE SIDE WORK IS.
>> GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE SOME DECENT NUMBERS ON THAT.
SO THE ESTIMATES THAT WE HAVE IN [INAUDIBLE] ARE THEY?
>> YEAH. FLORIDA FOR THREE DAYS.
>> DO YOU HAVE [INAUDIBLE] HERE?
>> WE DON'T HAVE TO CALL [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT DEPENDS ON THEIR SCHEDULING.
IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY'RE AT WITH THEIR SCHEDULING.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PROBABLY BLOWN AND GOING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S HOT AND IT'S BEEN NO RAIN, SO THEY'RE PROBABLY MOVING PRETTY QUICKLY PROJECTS, BUT THEY DID HAVE SOME RAINY PARTS EARLIER IN THE SPRING.
SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHETHER OUT WITH THEIR SCHEDULING AT THIS POINT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] SO THE LONGER WE WAIT WE GET TOGETHER AGAIN THE CLOSER WE GET NEXT YEAR [OVERLAPPING].
>> IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN BE PART THERE?
>> YEAH, WE JUST WANT TO SAY [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M EXPECTING A GRAND BABY ANY [LAUGHTER] THING THEY [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S QUESTIONABLE AT THIS POINT, YES.
[LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND] IF YOU GO SIT IN THE HEAT, YOU CAN SIT IN THE HEAT?
>> I WOULD ABANDON MY DAUGHTER [LAUGHTER]
>> [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IT.
>> YEAH, TO BE QUITE HONEST [INAUDIBLE] I THINK WENT THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
I THINK WE MAY NOT, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE DIFFERENCE.
>> I KNOW IT WAS VALUABLE TODAY.
>> OH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, VERY VALUABLE.
BUT NOW WE KNOW IT'S A MATTER OF JUST PRIORITIZING WHAT'S OUT THERE.
>> WHAT'S YOUR PRIORITY? THAT WE GO BACK AND FIND THOSE NUMBERS.
>> AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO US.
>> THAT WOULD BE THE MAIN THING OF THAT MEETING, ON THE 22ND.
TAKE THAT SHEET, AND JUST GO THROUGH THERE AND SAY IT WAS ONE THROUGH WHATEVER.
>> [BACKGROUND] QUESTION [BACKGROUND] BECAUSE PROBABLY BE FINE.
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>> EARLIER IN THE DAY I COULD BE HERE.
IF YOU'RE THERE EARLIER IN THE DAY, I COULD BE HERE.
YEAH. I'M NOT GOING TO BE THERE ALL DAY.
RIDICULOUS. I'M NOT GOING TO SIT OUT THERE AND THE HEAT IS 110 DEGREES ALL DAY, COMPLETELY SWEATING.
AS LONG AS I'M OUT THE DOOR BY 04:00, I'M GOOD TO GET THERE IN TIME.
2:00 TO 4:00 IS THAT I HATE DOING THAT TO YOU.
[BACKGROUND] SORRY, I APOLOGIZE, SORRY FOR BEING A PAIN.
>> THIS STUFF COST ME A LOT OF MONEY AND ALL.
>> [NOISE] HEY. QUICK QUESTION, SINCE WE HAVE 15 MINUTES.
DO WE WANT TO PUT THAT OUT [BACKGROUND].
>> WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE.
>> BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY REALLY FOUR, RIGHT?
>> SO AGAIN, ACCIDENTS OR THIS WANT TO TALK ABOUT AS PER LOUIS PEREZ.
PERSONALLY, JONATHAN AND [INAUDIBLE]
>> [NOISE] OPTION UP ON [INAUDIBLE] THE NEWS THAT WAS [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'M STILL USING THAT [INAUDIBLE]
>> THEY'RE NOT THE VOLUME OF CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES GOING TO KNOW THAT THE FIRST PERMANENT FIRST OPENED BACK UP, OPENED UP A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THE RUNAWAY.
THERE'S STILL TRAFFIC. IT'S JUST THAT YOU'RE NOT HEARING THE BODY.
>> SO, THEN THE OTHER THING WAS THE DUBLIN PATCH, RIGHT?
AND THEN THERE WAS THIS STRIPING FOR DOUBLE-BLIND ON BOTH SIDES,10K AND THE NORTON'S.
>> YEAH, WELL, WE'VE GOT SOME MONEY SET ASIDE, WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH.
>> I HEARD ON THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAD AN AVERAGE.
CONSIDER CHURCH. [BACKGROUND] CHURCH.
[INAUDIBLE] THERE ARE SO MANY VIEWS ON CHURCH THAT'S MY OPINION [INAUDIBLE] SO I THINK THE NEXT AREA IF YOU GO DOWN THE PATH OF THE DATA, WE GO COLLECTOR'S PIECE FIRST, RIGHT? DR. BENJAMIN DO ANYTHING MORE THAN THE COLLECTOR.
AND THEN RESIDENTIAL, I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ORDINARY WORK, AND THEN LOOK AT FECAL TRANSPLANTS, RIGHT? A MORE TOWARDS THOSE THREE, THIRD GIVING YOU.
>> WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THOSE PARTS ARE GOING TO COST REALLY.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE NUMBER WOULD BE.
>> WE HAD ABOUT SIX OR 700K ON THE AUTOGRAPHS [INAUDIBLE] THE COLLECTIVES.
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THERE'S NOTHING MAGICAL ABOUT THE WILDLIFE AROUND.
I WAS JUST DOING IT BASED ON WHAT I SEE.
>> YEAH, BECAUSE MY VERY RUDIMENTARY SAVED THE POLITE WORD FOR THAT.
WE CAN COME BACK AND SEE, WHATEVER, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND SAY, THIS IS HOW MUCH THE LINEAR FEET WE CAN FINISH UP WITH, WITH TEXAS BIT.
>> I DON'T NEED THE COOL THING BECAUSE IF THEY COME BACK THEY GIVE YOU [INAUDIBLE] THEN IT MIGHT BE LIKE BOILING CHIP [INAUDIBLE] I REFUSE TO DO THAT.
>> [BACKGROUND] YEAH, WE'LL LOOK AT THIS.
WE'LL GET WHAT TEXAS BIT [INAUDIBLE] BUT IF, BUT IF IT'S OVERLAY AND IT COMES IN AND IT'S PRETTY GOOD DEAL FOR US.
WE MIGHT ON JUST THE KIND OF KNOW IT'S TEMPORARY.
WELL, YOU MIGHT YOU MIGHT TAKE SOME LIVE STREET TO YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DRAIN AWAY, RECESS CONTEMPORARY PURCHASABLE ON MAKE SURE THAT I'M SAYING WHAT'S CHIP SEALS, WHAT I'M HEARING THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HEARING IS SHE LOVES CHIPS HILL.
YEAH. WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL LOOK AT THIS.
YES. MY POINT IS WE CAN GET SOME MIGHT NOT BE THE SCALE, WOULD YOU GUESS? I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD PATH TOWARDS COUNCIL SURE.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE SECOND PART OF IT, I HAVEN'T DONE THIS YET.
I HAVE DONE THAT, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE BIG MONEY.
YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HIERARCHIES OF THAT MINUS RIGHT? YOU'RE SAYING NOT DO ANY OF THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL STREETS, EACH ONE OF THOSE OTHER.
FIRST-PASS. YOU THINK YOU GOT 681012.
YOU DON'T PRODUCE THE SAME NUMBER.
THAT NUMBER WHAT WOULD IT COST TO PUT A CONCRETE PIECE BACK HERE? LIKE ALL MOSQUES RIDGE, IF YOU TOOK OUT ONE OF THE DAMAGE, HOW MANY SECTIONS ARE OTHER THAN 32? SURE. JOHN DEAN AND THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION. OH, YEAH.
YEAH. THE WHOLE SUDDEN THERE'S OTHER HALF.
12 BY TIM RYAN, DRIVEWAYS TWO.
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SO YOU'RE GOING TO DRIVE IN THAT $32,000.JOHNSON HAD A QUESTION ON THE HAMMOCK HAS DRAINED USERS, THEY'RE STILL MOVING OR THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY KIND OF QUESTIONING THOSE SECTIONS? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE CHALLENGE THAT YOU HAVE THIS DATA DOWN ONE'S OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A BIGGER GAP, I THINK.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE THERE THEY'RE DONE MOVING.
THERE SHOULD BE DIALED INTO EACH OTHER, SO WELL, YEAH.
SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS THAT CAN YOU GO IN AND FIND ANY OF THAT OFF? AND I MEAN, SLABS THAT ARE OUT THERE, REINFORCED REINFORCED STEEL.
RIGHT? THE OTHER REALLY PROBABLY GATHERED TOGETHER WHATEVER BASE THEY HAD REACHED OUT TO YOU TO COME IN AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TAKE THOSE LAB 66 BY 6 " IF YOU TRY TO BRIGHTEN THE IDEA.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF US DO, YEAH, THAT'S THE CORE ENOUGH.
YOU KNOW, YOU GO OUT TO THE COURT.
BRIGHTENING UP. HEY, GARY IS PULLING UP THE LAST 200/S IN THE BALLPARK.
WE HAD TO BUY A COUPLE OF SECTIONS HERE. NOT TOO LONG AGO.
BY THE TIME WE GOT CONTRACTOR AND BUBBLES.
YEAH. JUST TO GET A BALLPARK, IT WORKS.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KNOW ANYWAY.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS ANYWAY, EVEN IF YOU DON'T DO IT, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE THIS COMES IN AT 50 GRAND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE DECISION OF THE COMPANY OR ANY OTHER STROKE OFF TO GET STARTED. WHY?
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.