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>> [BACKGROUND] GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO PARKER'S CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING.
IT IS AUGUST 1ST, 2023 AT 6:00 PM.
AT THIS TIME I WILL ASK MR. OLSON, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM?
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>> YEAH. FOR THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING AT HOME, I'LL START ON THIS SIDE.
THE FAR END HERE IS COUNCIL MEMBER TERRY LYNCH, NEXT TO HER IS MAYOR PRO TEM, JIM REED, NEXT TO HIM, EXCUSE ME, [LAUGHTER] GET MY PRONOUNS STRAIGHT.
[LAUGHTER] HERE IS OUR CITY ATTORNEY, AMY STANPHILL.
OVER HERE IS OUR CITY ADMINISTRATOR, LUKE OLSON, AND THERE IS TODD FECHT, CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
SITTING OVER HERE, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN'T SEE OR YOU MIGHT HEAR IS PATTI GREY, OUR CITY SECRETARY.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL RECESS TO CLOSE EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY
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CONTAINED IN GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.074, PERSONNEL TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT, DUTIES, DISCIPLINE, OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER, OR EMPLOYEE.GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.0 711, CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY CONCERNING PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION.
GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.0712, CONSULTATION WITH THE ATTORNEY ON A MATTER IN WHICH THE DUTY OF THE ATTORNEY TO THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY, UNDER THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT OF THE STATE BAR OF TEXAS, CLEARLY CONFLICTS WITH THIS CHAPTER OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THIS TIME WE ARE [NOISE] IN RECESS, IT IS 6:02.
I AM RECONVENING THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, OF THE CITY OF PARKER ON AUGUST 1ST, 2023.
COUNCIL IS THERE ANY ACTION OR DELIBERATION FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE?
>> NO, MADAM MAYOR, THERE'S NONE.
>> OKAY. THEN AT THIS TIME, WE'LL DO THE PLEDGES.
CINDY LANE, WOULD YOU DO THE AMERICAN PLEDGE? LET'S SEE, RANDY KERCHO, WOULD YOU DO THE TEXAS PLEDGE? [NOISE]
[NOISE] [BACKGROUND] NEXT IS PUBLIC COMMENTS,
[PUBLIC COMMENTS ]
AND WE WILL START WITH KATHY HARVEY.[APPLAUSE] PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
OH, YOU BROUGHT YOUR LITTLE ONES WITH YOU.
>> YEAH. MY NAME IS KATHY HARVEY.
WE LIVE AT 5804 GREGORY LANE, PARKER, TEXAS ALSO KNOWN AS AWKWARD RANCH.
I AM HERE TO OBJECT TO PANORAMA STREET.
WE MOVED TO PARKER BECAUSE IT WAS A SAFE CITY, AND IT WAS NONCOMMERCIAL.
IT HAS LARGE AGRICULTURAL LOTS.
WE WANTED TO LEAVE A LEGACY TO OUR CHILDREN AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN.
WE HAVE HORSES, COWS, WE GROW HAY AND PECANS.
WE HAVE A CERTIFIED WILDLIFE HABITAT AND HAVE HAD IT SINCE WE MOVED TO PARKER.
THERE WE HAVE THREATENED AND ENDANGERED SPECIES, SPECIFICALLY KILLED DEER, LAY THEIR NEST ALONG OUR DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD ABUT MARGARET TURNER'S PROPERTY,
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TO REMOVE THOSE REQUIRES PERMISSION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.WE HAVE WORKED HARD TO HONOR THE WILDLIFE IN PARKER.
WE'VE TAUGHT IT TO OUR CHILDREN AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN.
OUR INTENT IS TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN, TO LEAVE OUR PROPERTY BETTER THAN WHEN WE BOUGHT IT. THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE] NEXT, MARGARET HENRY.
>> I'M ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF THE ROAD AS WELL.
WE MOVE TO PARKER BECAUSE WE MOVED OUT OF DALLAS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO LIVE IN THE COUNTRY.
I RIDE MY HORSE TO THE PARK AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK, AND WE LIVE IN THE COUNTRY.
HORSES GET OUT SOMETIMES, DOGS GET OUT SOMETIMES, CHILDREN RIDE THEIR BIKES.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO COUNT ON 600 FAMILIES DRIVING THEIR CARS CAREFULLY TO LOOK OUT FOR LOOSE HORSES, LOOSE DOGS, LOOSE CHILDREN.
IT IS A HUGE CONCERN OF MINE AND PART OF THE REASON WE'RE HERE. THANK YOU.
[NOISE] [APPLAUSE] EMILY PLUMMER.
>> THANK YOU. I LIVE AT 5908 GREGORY LANE, AND MY PROPERTY WOULD BE RIGHT BETWEEN THE PROPOSED PLOT FOR PANORAMA AND THE BRIDGE.
I HAVE SEVERAL OBJECTIONS TO THE PLOT FOR PANORAMA.
THE FIRST IS THEIR PLAN FOR DRAINAGE.
WHEN I WENT TO THE DEPOSITION FROM THEIR DEVELOPER, HE SAID THAT THEY INTENDED TO CHANNEL OVER HALF, I THINK UP TO THREE-QUARTERS, TWO-THIRDS OF THE STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT DOWN PANORAMA, ONTO THE EXISTING STORMWATER COLLECTION STRUCTURES ON GREGORY LANE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY MY FRONT YARD SO I OBJECT TO THAT.
I OBJECT TO PUTTING THAT MUCH TRAFFIC ONTO GREGORY.
THE MOST RECENT REVISION FROM NATALIE SCOTT SEEMS TO SUGGEST THAT THERE WILL ONLY BE 15% OF THE TRAFFIC GOING DOWN PANORAMA, WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD POSSIBLY REGULATE THAT.
PEOPLE CAN DRIVE WHERE THEY WANT TO DRIVE.
WE LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY. YOU CAN DRIVE WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANT.
DRIVING OFF GREGORY IS A MORE REASONABLE WAY IF YOU'RE GOING OUT TO CENTRAL, OR ANY OF THE OTHER MAJOR THOROUGHFARES.
I THINK THAT IT WOULD PUT WAY TOO MUCH TRAFFIC ONTO GREGORY LANE UNSUSTAINABLE.
GREGORY IS NOT A THOROUGHFARE, IT'S NOT EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC.
FINALLY, I OWN A SEPARATE TRACT OF LAND, SO MY PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY PLOTTED TWICE.
I HAVE THE ONE WITH MY HOUSE, THEN I HAVE A REALLY SMALL TRACT OF LAND, THAT AS FAR AS I CAN TELL CONTAINS GREGORY LANE.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO CHANNEL THAT MUCH TRAFFIC ONTO GREGORY LANE, ONTO LAND THAT I OWN AND PAY TAXES ON EVERY YEAR SO THOSE ARE MATRIXES. THANK YOU.
I RESIDE AT 5004 DUBLIN CREEK LANE, AND HAD BEEN PART OF THE OPPOSITION TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
AS OF LATE LAST WEEK, WE GOT A SIGNIFICANT REVISION TO THE PROPOSAL OF WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS PLANNING THERE.
IT RAISES A NUMBER OF ISSUES, SPECIFICALLY, THE ADDITIONAL 850 OR ESTIMATED 850 ADDITIONAL CARS UNDER GREGORY LANE BASED ON THE DEVELOPER'S NUMBERS, AND THAT'S JUST THE 15% THAT THEY'RE ASSUMING WILL POUR OUT ONTO GREGORY LANE.
IT COULD BE EVEN HIGHER, AND THIS GREGORY LANE REALLY BUILT FOR THAT ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
IN ADDITION, WE NOW UNDERSTAND HOW THEY EXPECT TO DRAIN THE WATER OFF THIS PROPERTY, A LOT OF IT WILL GO INTO MAXWELL CREEK, BUT SOME OF IT WILL GO INTO DUBLIN CREEK.
THERE JUST HASN'T BEEN ADEQUATE TIME TO REALLY ANALYZE THE FULL IMPACT OF THE REVISIONS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THEN LASTLY FOR THE CITY OF PARKER, THE PROPOSAL IS TO CUT THE CITY OUT OF
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DRAWING WATER FROM THE CITY OF PARKER AND TO EITHER IMPLEMENT WELLS AND PULL WATER FROM THE GROUNDWATER TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, OR TO PULL AN EIGHT-INCH MAIN LINE OFF THE LIFT STATION OF DUBLIN CREEK.THERE'S JUST SO MANY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AND I WOULD ASK THE CITY OF PARKER TO JOIN WITH THE CITY OF MURPHY IN ASKING FOR A DELAY, SO WE HAVE ADEQUATE TIME TO REVIEW THE REVISIONS, AND MAKE AN APPROPRIATE DECISION ON WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE] LYNN ROCCO, OROSCO. I APOLOGIZE. I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW TO PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME.
[OVERLAPPING] I HAVE 5700 AND 5704 GREGORY.
JUST WEST OF MY PROPERTY WOULD BE PANORAMA DRIVE SO I STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS FOR MUCH OF WHAT HAS BEEN SPOKEN ALREADY BUT WE KNOW MULTIPLE THINGS ABOUT GREGORY.
FIRST, IT IS A DEAD END THAT IS MEANT FOR THE FEW HOMES THAT ARE ON IT.
BASICALLY, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN AND IF THERE'S TRASH CANS FOR ONE, [LAUGHTER] ONLY ONE CAR CAN PASS.
HOW COULD IT HAVE SO MANY MORE CARS COMING IN AND OUT? THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE A MAJOR ROAD BACK TO THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WOULD DIRECTLY AFFECT MY FAMILY, THE SAFETY I FEEL, ALL OF THAT, OR MY KIDS ARE OUT EVERYWHERE.
THERE IS WILDLIFE. IT'S A MAJOR FACTOR.
IF ANYBODY HAS SPENT ANYTIME IN GREGORY, YOU KNOW THAT THE WATER DRAINS, AS EMILY POINTED OUT, ESSENTIALLY EAST TO WEST TOWARDS MAXWELL CREEK BUT OUR BRIDGE. AND AS IT IS, IT'S A MAJOR PROBLEM DRAINAGE ON GREGORY FOR ALL OF US.
WE ALL HAVE PICTURES OF STANDING WATER AT ALL TIMES.
WE ALL HAVE PICTURES OF THE BRIDGE MASSIVELY FLOODING EVEN AFTER THE REDO WHICH WE APPRECIATE, BUT STILL A MAJOR ISSUE.
AS WAS SAID, WE ARE HERE BECAUSE MANY OF US HAVE STRESSFUL JOBS IN DALLAS AND WANT TO BE OUTSIDE OF THAT, AND THIS IS NOT THAT.
SO WE DO ASK THAT YOU OPPOSE PANORAMA DRIVE. THANK YOU.
MICHELLE TOLADO. I MAY BE MISPRONOUNCING THAT TOO. I'M SORRY.
>> PERFECTLY. HELLO. I'M MICHELLE TOLADO, 6060 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, DALLAS, TEXAS. I'M WITH LJ ENGINEERING, THE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
I AM SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF TEXAS LAW AND CITY PARKER REGULATIONS, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE PLAT AND ENGINEERING PLANS FOR PANORAMAS STREET BE APPROVED.
TO THE EXTENT YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO APPROVE THIS ITEM, WE REQUEST THAT IT BE TABLED TO A DATE BEFORE AUGUST 20TH TO GIVE YOUR STAFF TIME TO REVIEW THE RESUBMITTED DOCUMENTS. THAT'S ALL.
>> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTED TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE FILL OUT A GREEN CARD, AND HAND IT TO PATTI.
>> HE'S GOT MY NOTES SO CAN I GIVE IT TO HER WHEN YOU'RE DONE?
>> SURE. OH, GOD. BUT CAROLYN'S GOING TO GO FIRST. [OVERLAPPING]
>> HE CAN GO BEFORE ME [INAUDIBLE].
DON'T WANT 600 HOUSES DOWN MY STREET.
>> FIRST, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. [OVERLAPPING]
6100 GREGORY LANE, PARKER, TEXAS.
>> NO ROAD EXPANSION. DON'T WANT 600 NEW HOMES DOWN MY STREET THAT CAN'T HANDLE THE TRAFFIC DEAD END AS NOW.
THE FLOODS SITUATIONS ARE BAD WHEN THE RAIN COMES. I HAVE CATTLE THAT RUN UP AND DOWN GREGORY LANE.
I ALSO HAVE TRAFFIC. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO GET TO THIS PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH THE OTHER WAYS ARE NOT WANTED EITHER BECAUSE
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WE DON'T WANT THE HOUSES HERE.I ALSO MOVED TO PARKER TO GET OUT OF THE CITY.
I DIDN'T WANT THE CITY FOLLOWING ME HERE.
SO NO MORE TOO FAMILIES WANTED, AND WE DON'T NEED THE NEW ROAD, AND THE BRIDGE IS A BIG PROBLEM. THANK YOU.
>> HELLO. MY NAME IS CAROLYN MOEBIUS.
I LIVE IN 1412 PARKVIEW LANE IN MURPHY, TEXAS. I'M HERE TO SPEAK REGARDING THE PANORAMA ROAD, AS WELL AS SOME ASPECTS OF THE MED PETITION AND THE MAJOR AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE JUST RECEIVED.
IT'S OBVIOUS THAT SOME OF THE HOMEWORK HASN'T BEEN DONE REGARDING THE TWO ENTRANCES THAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED FOR THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.
GREGORY LANE IS A PRIVATE ROAD.
AS EMILY PLUMMER HAD TESTIFIED, THAT SHE DOES OWN PART OF THAT ROAD.
SHE, I'M SURE, HASN'T BEEN APPROACHED, IF IT'S OKAY TO USE HER PART OF THE ROAD TO GET TO.
WELL, IT'S JUST PART OF GREGORY LANES.
SO EVERYONE WHO LIVES ON GREGORY LANE, MOST OF THESE PEOPLE DO OWN PART OF THE ROAD.
I BELIEVE I SAW LYNN OROSCO DOES, KATHY HARVEY DOES. I KNOW THERE'S A FEW OTHER FOR SURE THAT DO, 38 CHAMPS DOES. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY EVEN KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
SO I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC SAFETY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA, AS WELL AS THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD ONLY HAVE ONE ROAD, POTENTIALLY. THAT'S JUST STANDARDS.
ALSO THE DRAINAGES WAS NOTED BEFORE BY TED LANE IS, YES, MOST OF IT DOES GO TO MAXWELL CREEK, BUT DOES INCLUDE PART OF DUBLIN CREEK.
I AM ON THE ROLLING RIDGE HOA BOARD, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE JUST LEARNED WITH THE REBUTTAL PRELIMINARY, OUR PREFAB TESTIMONY OF LJ ENGINEERING.
MR. WAGER OR WEAGER, HOW DO WE SUPPOSED TO SAY HIS NAME, IS THAT THEY PROPOSE TO HAVE STORMWATER DRAINAGE GO OVER THE ROLLING RIDGE HOA PROPERTY.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE ROLLING RIDGE HOA BOARD IS NOT VERY PLEASED WITH THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO RESEARCH WHAT THAT MEANS FOR US IN ROLLING RIDGE.
ALSO, WE KNOW THAT IN THE MED PETITION, THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS THE GROUND WATER.
IN REGARD TO THAT, THERE'S GOING TO BE SUPPOSEDLY MAYBE WELLS, IF THERE'S NOT ANY OTHER WAY THAT THE DEVELOPER CAN GET WATER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND TO ONE OF THESE PROPOSALS IS ALSO WELL INJECTION.
I KNOW THAT TCQ HAS DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR WELLS, AND THEY NEED TO HAVE TIME TO REVIEW THAT, AND THAT JUST HASN'T BEEN REVIEWED.
THERE'S SO MANY ISSUES WITH THE PETITION NOW THAT THE PETITIONER HAD DUMPED A BUNCH OF FOULS REGARDING THE MED ON FRIDAY THAT I DO REPEAT WHAT TED LANE ASK.
PLEASE DO, CITY OF PARKER, ASK OR AGREE WITHIN 90 DAYS? [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S UP. THREE MINUTES. I'M SORRY.
>> HADN'T REGRET NOW MY POINT.
>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, SIR.
I LIVE AT 3106 BLUFFS LANE IN PARKER.
I WANT TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THE CONSIDERATION OF THE PANORAMA PLAT.
I'M OPPOSED TO THAT AND LET ME SEE IF I CAN GIVE YOU MAYBE THE FOUR REASONS THAT I THINK AM.
FIRST OF ALL, I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICATION TO PLANNING AND ZONING WAS UNTIMELY MADE.
AS I READ THE REQUIREMENTS, IT REQUIRES THAT THE APPLICATION BE MADE 28 DAYS PRIOR TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.
IT WAS MADE 20 DAYS PRIOR TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.
FOR THAT REASON ALONE, YOUR DECISION SHOULD BE TO REMAND THE APPLICATION BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING, FOR THEM TO REMANDED BACK TO THE APPLICANT FOR IT TO BE RESUBMITTED IN A TIMELY MANNER OF NOT LESS THAN 28 DAYS PRIOR TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.
BEYOND THAT, THERE ARE MANY OTHER REASONS TO OPPOSE THIS.
FIRST OF ALL, IT IS AN APPLICATION IN NAME ONLY BEING MADE BY HARRINGTON/TURNER ENTERPRISES, LP.
HARRINGTON/TURNER ENTERPRISES IS THE APPLICANT ON THE COLLIN COUNTY MUD 7 APPLICATION AND ON THIS APPLICATION, BUT THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN MERELY THE SELLER OF THE LAND.
THEY WILL HIT NO TIME EVER ON THE LAND
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ON WHICH ANY OF THE FACILITIES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED OR BEING BUILT.MARGARET TURNER HAS TESTIFIED IN OUR OWN DEPOSITION AND IN HER PROFILE TESTIMONY IN THE COLLIN COUNTY MUD CASE, THAT SHE HAS HAD NO INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER IN THE APPLICATION FOR COLLIN COUNTY MUD.
NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN HANDLED BY HER.
IT HAS BEEN HANDLED BY OTHER PEOPLE.
THAT IS WHY I SAY SHE IS NOT JUST AN INAPPROPRIATE APPLICANT, BUT SHE HAS AN APPLICANT IN NAME ONLY AND FOR THAT REASON ALONE SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED.
SHE HAS NO INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER.
HARRINGTON/TURNER ENTERPRISES, LP HAS REPRESENTED BY MARGARET TURNER, HAS NO INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER IN THE ACTUAL ACTIVITIES THAT WILL EVER BE CONDUCTED ON THAT LAND OR ON ADJACENT 101 ACRES OF LAND THERE.
LET'S SEE IF I DIDN'T THINK OF A COUPLE OF OTHER REASONS THAT I WAS GOING TO MENTION.
THE TRUE PARTY IN INTEREST HERE IS DON AND PHILLIP HUFFINES WHO ARE THE OWNER OF HUFFINES COMMUNITIES MOST PEOPLE KNOW THE HUFFINES BY THE CAR BUSINESS, THAT'S THEIR BROTHER RAY, DON AND PHILIP ARE TWIN BROTHERS.
THEY FOUNDED THE HUFFINES COMMUNITIES SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE LARGEST OR ONE OF THE LARGEST REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERS IN NORTH TEXAS.
NORMALLY, THEY BRAND THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT THEY DO HAVE, FIND SIGNATURE COMMUNITIES.
INSTEAD OF BRANDING THIS ONE, THEY'VE HIDDEN BEHIND IT.
THEY FORMED TWO FAMILY TRUST, ONE FOR EACH OF THEIR KIDS, ONE FOR DON HUFFINES, AND ONE FOR PHILLIP HUFFINES THOSE TWO TRUST FORMED NOT A TEXAS ENTITY, BUT A DELAWARE LLC CALLED TEXAS PRAIRIE LAND TO MASK THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE TWO TRUST.
TEXAS PRAIRIE LAND THEN FORMED A TEXAS ENTITY CALLED RESTORE THE GRASSLANDS LLC, A PRETTY IRONIC NAME FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO DO ANYTHING BUT RESTORE GRASSLANDS TO 101 ACRES.
BUT IT'S ALL TO MASK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRULY INVOLVED.
RESTORE THE GRASSLANDS IS A TOTALLY CONTROLLED, SOLELY OWNED ENTITY OWNED BY TEXAS PRAIRIE LAND, OWNED BY THE OTHERS.
NONE OF THESE ARE THE APPLICANTS IN INTEREST, THE HUFFINES ARE.
>> SORRY. THAT'S YOUR THREE-MINUTE WORD.
[APPLAUSE] IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? WELL [LAUGHTER].
I LIVE AT 6000 GREGORY LANE AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE PANORAMA.
MY MAJOR CONCERN THAT SPOKE WITH OUR CONGRESSMAN KEITH SELF ABOUT AND HE AGREES, IS THE CONCERN OF THE ADDITIONAL WATER THAT WILL BE INSERTED INTO THE CREEK.
LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT ONCE IT'S DOWN THERE, IT'S AN ISSUE FOR DOWNSTREAM THAT IT'S MOVING TOWARDS THE LAKES. IT'S NOT TRUE.
AS WE DISCUSSED WHEN WE BUILT A NEW BRIDGE AND WE DISCUSSED WITH OUR CITY ENGINEER, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL WATER, IT EFFECTIVELY ACTS AS A DAM.
IT'S THE SAME THING AS IF YOU HAD A LARGE THREE OR FOUR FOOT HIGH PILE OF CEMENT OR A SPEED BUMP.
WHEN YOU PUT THAT EXTRA WATER IN, IT SLOWS DOWN THE FLOW OF THE WATER THAT THEN HITS AND THAT CAUSES IT TO WIDEN, WHICH HAS FLOODED MULTIPLE HOUSES, IS A SERIOUS CONCERN FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE WHO HAVE HAD THEIR HOUSES FLOOD.
SEVERAL OF HAD TO USED SPEND $80,000 OR MORE RAISING THEIR HOUSES SO THEY DON'T GET FLOODED AGAIN.
IT ALSO BEGINS TO BACKUP, WHICH WAS THE MAIN PROBLEM IS THEY WOULD BACKUP ALL THE WAY TO THE CULVERT, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH FLOW RATE TO THEN CONTROL IT AND BACKS UP ALL INTO THE FIELD WHERE THE NATURE PRESERVE THIS TURNS INTO A GIANT LAKE.
MY HOUSE, WHICH IS RIGHT PAST THE CORNER, HAS FLOODED THREE TIMES BEFORE I MOVED IN THERE.
IT'S NOT HAD ANY ISSUES SINCE WE'VE PUT IN THE NEW CULVERT.
HOWEVER, THE ISSUE OF THE FLOODING WAS IT BACKING UP INTO THE FIELD AND THEN COMING OVER THE STREET INTO THE FRONT OF MY HOUSE, NOT FROM THE CREEK.
THAT IS DUE TO THERE WAS STUFF THAT WE CLEARED OUT OF THE CREEK AND THE CULVERT.
BUT IF THIS WATER ENTERS IN THERE, IT WILL EFFECTIVELY ACT AS A DAM.
WILL BACK UP AT MY HOUSE, WILL PROBABLY FLOOD.
I WOULD APPRECIATE NOT HAVING AN ISSUE WHERE THE ONLY EXIT OUT OF THE COMMUNITY IS FLOODED OVER.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M GOING TO TAKE MY THREE YOUNG CHILDREN, THANK YOU.
>> I DO HAVE A NEW REGULATIONS THAT I PROVIDED TO THE CONGRESSMAN.
>> ANYONE ELSE FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. THEN WE'RE MOVING ON.
[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]
ADAMS VENTRESS ARE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION WILL MEET WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 9TH, RIGHT HERE AT 5:00 PM.[00:25:03]
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE MEETING, IT'S AN OPEN MEETING.PARKS AND RECS HAS AN OPEN POSITION IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO APPLY FOR BEING ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION.
WE ARE GOING TO SET A PROPOSED TAX RATE ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 15TH, AT 6:00 PM IN OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
[NOISE] THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE AND BUDGET AND FINAL ACTION ON TAX RATE AND BUDGET WILL BE ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 5TH AT 6:00 PM THAT'S THE TUESDAY AFTER LABOR DAY.
NEXT WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY CHIEF PRICE ON POLICE VEHICLES. CHIEF.
[PRESENTATION]
>> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A PACKET IN YOUR DEAL THAT LAYS OUT THE REQUESTED VEHICLE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TRYING TO OBTAIN.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THESE VEHICLES HAVE GONE UP SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND THIS ONE IS $77,000, BUT IT COMES COMPLETELY OUTFITTED, READY TO GO TO WORK MINUS THE STRIPING.
WE PUT IN FOR A FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW IN THE PAST WITH THE FEW SNOW EVENTS WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD ISSUES GETTING AROUND IN THE TAHOES, AND WE'VE HAD AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF ISSUES WITH THE TAHOES, WE'RE RESEARCHING CHANGES INTO OUR FLEET IN WHOLE, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION ON THIS TRUCK THAT'LL HAVE A FUNCTION FOR.
IT'D BE SET UP FOR PATROL, BUT IT'LL BE USED BY CID AT FIRST, IT WILL ALSO BE USED AS A VEHICLE TO MOVE THE TRAFFIC TRAILERS THAT WE HAVE THAT RADAR SPEED AND DO TRAFFIC COUNTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BECAUSE IF WE STICK WITH TAHOES, THEY'RE NO LONGER PUTTING A TOW PACKAGE ON IT AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE IF GARY HAD A VEHICLE IN PUBLIC WORKS FOR US TO USE TO MOVE THE TRAILERS.
AND SO JUST SO THAT WE'RE NOT DEPENDENT ON SOMEBODY ELSE, AND THEN COME WINTERTIME AND WE NEED A VEHICLE, AND THEN THERE'S OCCASIONS WHERE IF WE HAD TO GET OFF-ROAD, THAT WOULD BE THE VEHICLE TO USE, SO THAT WE'RE NOT TEARING UP ONE OF THE TAHOES TRYING TO GET TO IT, AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THIS REQUEST.
YOU'LL ALSO NOTE THAT THIS VEHICLE IS GOING TO BE SOLID BLACK AS A COST-SAVINGS, IT'S AN EXTENSIVE EXPENSE TO PAINT THOSE DOORS WHITE AND, OR WRAP THEM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO ELIMINATE SOME COST IN THAT AS WELL.
SO I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS ANYBODY MIGHT HAVE.
>> [BACKGROUND] COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS?
>> THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS IN THE OVERALL FLEET EXPENSE WITH THIS, THROUGH THE ENTERPRISE DEAL THAT WE PUT TOGETHER.
I MEAN, WE'RE BRINGING ON NEW VEHICLES [NOISE] IS THERE ANYTHING WE'RE TRADING? I MEAN, HOW IS THAT WORKING?
>> WE ACTUALLY HAVE A UNIT THAT IS TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE, SO SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT OFF OF THAT WOULD BE TRANSFERRED INTO THIS VEHICLE, THEN THAT VEHICLE WILL BE STRIPPED AND SOLD FOR SURPLUS.
IT'S A 2019, IT'S GOT OVER ALMOST 108,000 MILES, BUT IT NEEDS ABOUT $12,000 WORTH OF REPAIR TO MAKE IT OPERATIONAL, AND IT'S JUST NOT COST-EFFECTIVE TO DO SO.
>> BUT ISN'T THAT PART, THEY DON'T BUY THAT BACK? I THOUGHT THEY DID. THAT WAS A VEHICLE WE ALREADY OWNED?
>> NO, THE TAHOE WE ALREADY OWN, WE HAVEN'T SWITCHED OUT ANY OF OUR VEHICLES.
THE ONLY ONES WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW IS A TAHOE, IT'S A 2022 TAHOE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] 22 FORD EXPLORER,
>> THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO WE'VE GOTTEN SO FAR.
THE MARKET IS STARTING TO COME BACK, GETTING THE VEHICLES BACK INTO THE MARKET NOW SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE IS THE GOVERNMENT DISCOUNTS ARE NOT WHERE THEY USED TO BE.
WITH THE TAHOES, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THEY REALIZED THAT THEY CAN MAKE MORE MONEY SELLING IT TO THE REGULAR CONSUMER, SUCH AS LIKE THE RIDGELINE OR WHATEVER PACKAGE THEY'RE SELLING.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THEY'VE GONE THE GREAT LENGTHS TO SHRINK THE AMOUNT OF DISCOUNTS OFFERED TO GOVERNMENTS ON THE VEHICLES, THEY'VE RAISED THE PRICES ON THEM AND THEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING FEWER OF THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING IT PER ORDER IN THEIR DEALERSHIPS WHERE THEY GET MORE MONEY.
AND RIGHTFULLY SO IT'S A BUSINESS OPTION THAT THEY HAVE AND THEY'RE DOING REALLY WELL WITH IT AND THEY HAVE NO SIGNS OF CHANGING IT.
THEY WENT FROM A $6,000 KICKBACK, I THINK IT'S A 1,500 NOW, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT ON THE VEHICLES.
>> AND THEN I ALSO TALKED TO THEM AS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT
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A TAHOE WITH THE SAME FORMAL DRAFT FEATURE WOULD BE ANY LESS THAN IT'S IDENTICAL COST FOR THE VEHICLE ITSELF.>> AND THEN THIS IS PROBABLY A REALLY STUPID QUESTION ABOUT ANY OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE ADDING, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD GET THAT A MORE STRIPPED DOWN VERSION AND DO THOSE OPTIONS AFTER MARKET? WOULD THERE BE A BENEFIT TO THAT OR NOT?
>> IT WOULD COST US MORE IN LABOR TO DO THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
SO IF WE BOUGHT THE TRUCK JUST BASIC AND THEN WENT SOMEWHERE, WE JUST STILL HAVE TO PAY SOMEBODY ELSE TO INSTALL IT, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO PAY SOMEBODY ELSE TO SHIP IT TO US, HOWEVER THAT CASE MAY BE.
AND IT SEEMS, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THAT GETTING IT ALL DONE AT ONE TIME, IT'S DONE BY THE SAME PERSON, IT'S ALL CONSISTENT, AND IT'S MORE BENEFICIAL.
WE COULD CERTAINLY DO IT THAT WAY, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM DOING IT THAT WAY IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION ACCOUNTS WOULD LIKE TO TAKE, BUT I FOUND IT TO BE DIFFICULT IN THE PAST.
>> AND I THINK THAT WARRANTY THAT MORE TOO
>> [OVERLAPPING] THEY WARRANTY A LOT OF IT.
>> I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN OPTION OR NOT, SO I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
>> BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IF WE WERE DOING A TAHOE FOR A TAHOE, WE WOULD STILL LET COUNCIL KNOW, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY CHANGING A TAHOE OUT FOR WELL FOR A CHEVY
>> [OVERLAPPING] A PICKUP TRUCK,
>> A PICKUP TRUCK. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS TO COUNCIL JUST TO GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK AND SEE WHAT THE FEELING OF COUNCIL IS ON THIS.
>> YOU INDICATED THIS IS NEW, WE DON'T HAVE TRUCKS IN OUR FLEET CURRENTLY.
DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE? DO OTHER CITIES USE THESE TYPES OF TRUCKS AND HAVE THEY BEEN SUCCESSFUL?
>> ABSOLUTELY. THE CITY OF ALLEN HAS F-150 PICKUPS, THEY HAVE SIX OF THEM I BELIEVE.
MOST OF THEM WERE ASSIGNED ORIGINALLY TO SPECIALIZED UNITS SUCH AS LICENSE AND WEIGHT.
THEY NOW USE THEM FOR K9 PATROL CARS.
THEIR MAINTENANCE ON THE FORD IS EXTENSIVELY LESS THAN WHAT THEY'D BEEN PAYING FOR THE EXPLORER AND THEIR TAHOES, THE ONLY PROBLEM IS FORD DON'T HAVE ANY AND WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING THEM.
SO THEIR NEXT QUOTE IS NOT UP TO BUILD CARS ON THAT LUCK OF THE DRAW THING FOR ANOTHER THREE MONTHS AND THIS TRUCK IS AVAILABLE.
>> AND THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS, YOU INDICATE ANOTHER VEHICLE IS BEING TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE, WILL IT EVENTUALLY BE TRADED OR NOT TRADED IN SOLD?
>> WE'RE NOT ADDING A NEW VEHICLE TO THE FLEET WHERE IT'S A ONE FOR ONE TRADE.
YEAH. YEAH. SO WE HAVE ONE THAT'S OUT FRONT THAT'S OUT OF COMMISSION.
I DON'T WANT, IT'S NOT WORTH SPENDING THE 12,000 TO FIX IT OR MAYBE FIX IT. WE DON'T KNOW YET.
THAT'S JUST A GUESS TO GET IT THERE.
SO THAT VEHICLE WOULD COME IN AND REPLACE THAT PARTICULAR CAR.
>> CHIEF PRICE, ONE MORE QUESTION.
>> YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THE CAPABILITY ENHANCEMENTS THAT YOU'D HAVE BY HAVING A TRUCK WITH A TOWING CAPABILITY AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER DRAWBACKS OF AS FAR AS HAVING A PICKUP TRUCK RATHER THAN HAVING THE VEHICLE WHEN IT HAS TO DO WITH THE UTILITY [BACKGROUND] OF THE POLICE VEHICLE?
>> TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IN MY 18 YEARS WITH PARKER, I DROVE A PICKUP FOR A LITTLE WHILE, PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
AND TRAFFICKING UNITS OR WHAT WE CONCERNED WITH ESPECIALLY AS THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT HERE, PEOPLE DON'T GENERALLY THINK OF A PICKUP AS A POLICE CAR, SO THEY TEND TO DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO [LAUGHTER] IN FRONT OF THAT TRUCK WITHOUT REALIZING IT.
SO THAT PART OF IT'S BENEFICIAL THAT WE CAN HAVE A GREATER PART OF THEM, BUT I'M NOT TRYING TO DUPE ANYBODY, BUT THEY DO DO THE SAME THING.
>> IT'S ALL BLACK, SO IT'LL BE LIKE AN UNMARKED.
>> [LAUGHTER] NO, IT'S ALL BLACK BUT IT'LL STILL HAVE OUR STRIPE DOWN THE SIDE OF IT, THAT'S VERY REFLECTIVE.
NO, I DON'T WANT TO INDICATE TO ANYBODY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SNEAK ATTACK OR WHATEVER.
[LAUGHTER] WE WANT TO BE VERY OPEN AND VERY PUBLIC, AND I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO SEE IT.
WE JUST NEED A FUNCTIONAL VEHICLE THAT'S GOING TO MEET NOT ONLY A PATROL CAR NEED, BUT IT'LL BE CID NEED, IT WILL ALSO MEET SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS THAT WE ALREADY ARE INVOLVED IN, NEEDS TO MOVE THOSE ABOUT, AND TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.
AND THEN IN, GOD FORBID, WINTER STORMS, SUCH AS THE LAST COUPLE THAT WE'VE HAD, WE'VE REQUIRED TO EITHER SIT AROUND AND WAIT AND HOPE WE GET THERE WITH THE CHAINS ON THE TAHOE OR FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
I'M NOT TRYING TO SUGGEST THAT WE MAKE ALL OF THE VEHICLES FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE, BUT AT LEAST ONE.
>> SO YOU THINK YOUR STEALTH TRUCK WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT?
>> I THINK [LAUGHTER] YES, ABSOLUTELY.
IT SEEMS LIKE A CITY THAT HAS THE INTERSECTION OF EXCHANGE IN 75 DOES QUITE WELL WITH THEIR F-150.
[LAUGHTER] BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS GOT SOMEONE PULLED OVER.
>> AND THEY DO THAT A LOT, AND THOSE TRUCKS, ACCORDING TO THE AGENCIES THAT I'VE TALKED TO HAVE THEM, THE COST OF MAINTAINING THOSE PICKUPS HAVE BEEN FAR LESS THAN THE COST OF MAINTAINING THEIR EVERYDAY PATROL CARS.
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THEY HAD ONE F150 THAT HE SPECIFICALLY SAID THE FIRST ONE THEY HAD, AND HE SAID THAT OVER A TWO-YEAR PERIOD, ALL CHANGES, TIRES AND REPAIRS WAS $6,000 AND I CAN'T SAY THAT WE'VE HAD THAT SHORT OF THEM ON ANY ONE OF OUR TAHOES.>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF PRICE? THEN COUNCIL THIS IS A PRESENTATION THAT WE DON'T HAVE A VOTE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE PERMISSION, OR CONSENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSIDERATION OF THE PICKUP TRUCK.
IS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? THANK YOU, CHIEF PRICE.
>> NEXT WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[CONSENT AGENDA ]
ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE HAVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM JULY 18TH.THE MEETING MINUTES FOR JULY 18TH, ONE WAS A WORKSHOP AND THE OTHER IS A REGULAR MEETING.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT NEEDS EITHER ONE OF THOSE ITEMS MOVED OFF TO CONSENT AGENDA? THEN I WOULD ACCEPT A MOTION.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LYNCH AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FECHT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES THREE, NOTHING.
INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEMS.
[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEMS ]
ITEM NUMBER 3: CONSIDERATION AND APPROPRIATE ACTION TO FILL A COUNCIL MEMBER VACANCY THROUGH MAY 2024, BY EITHER SPECIAL ELECTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH TITLE 12 TEXAS ELECTION CODE SUBSECTION 201.054, OR BY COUNCIL APPOINTMENT AS AUTHORIZED BY THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 22.010, FOR A TYPE A GENERAL LAW CITY WITH TWO-YEAR TERMS AND ONE VACANCY, AND IF BY COUNCIL APPOINTMENT, APPOINT E NOMINATIONS, IF ANY.FIRST, LET'S DECIDE ON HOW Y'ALL WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.
>> MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCILMEN, I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER AND JUST LOVE THE FEEDBACK AND THOUGHTS, AND IDEAS OF LETTING THE CITIZENS PUT IN THE APPLICATIONS.
MAYBE WE DO IT IN A SHORT PERIOD BECAUSE WE GOT THE BUDGET ISSUES.
BUT GOING TO SEVEN DAYS, AND THEN CONSIDERING IT FOR SEVEN DAYS AND DOING PHONE INTERVIEWS, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS?
>> IF I RECALL, WE'VE DONE BOTH WAYS IN THE PAST.
MAYOR PETTLE, YOU MIGHT HELP ME IF I GET SOMETHING INCORRECT, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN?
>> OKAY. IN THE PAST WHEN THERE HAS BEEN A VACANCY ON COUNCIL, AND WHEN I WAS ON THE COUNCIL WE NEVER DECIDED TO DO AN ELECTION.
AN ELECTION COST ROUGHLY $60,000.
THAT SEEMS RATHER PRICEY FOR 18 MONTHS OF A TERM.
THERE'S TWO WAYS TO DO AN APPOINTMENT THAT I KNOW OF.
ONE WAY IS COUNCIL PUTS OUT A BROADCAST TO THE ENTIRE CITY AND TELLS PEOPLE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN BEING ON COUNCIL, FILL OUT AN APPLICATION AND SUBMIT IT.
ALL APPLICATIONS ARE THEN VETTED FOR QUALITY TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE IS A RESIDENT OF PARKER, AND THEY MEET THE BASIC QUALIFICATIONS.
THEN THERE'S EITHER INTERVIEWS OR REVIEWS OF THOSE APPLICATIONS.
>> YES, THAT IS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THE OTHER WAY IS COUNCIL CAN JUST CHOOSE TO DO AN APPOINTMENT, AND THEY CAN DO IT TONIGHT.
THEY CAN NOMINATE SOMEONE AND MOVE FORWARD.
NOW IT'S UP TO COUNCIL ON HOW THEY WANT TO PROCEED.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, TERRY? [LAUGHTER]
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD JOB.
MY CONCERN IS IT'D BE BEST IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD GET INPUT FROM EVERYONE.
BUT IN THE EXPEDIENCY OF TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN,
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AND WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUDGETING PROCESS, AND THERE'S ALREADY BEEN SOME CONFLICTS IN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, I WOULD BE OF THE OPINION OF APPOINTING SOMEBODY QUICKLY, IN THE PROCESS OF SOME OF OUR DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, PICKING SOMEBODY WHO HAS SOME EXPERIENCE, THAT CAN BE RAMPED UP PRETTY QUICKLY AND WE CAN GET GOING.AS I SAID, IT'S A SHORT-TERM, SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET SOMEBODY RAMPED RIGHT AWAY.
BECAUSE I STILL THINK ALTHOUGH COUNCILMAN FECHT HAS SOME GOOD POINTS IN TRYING TO GET THAT AND LOBBYING EVERYONE'S INTERESTS AND THAT THING, WHEN YOU WOULD GO TO ELECTIONS IN LARGE ELECTIONS, THEIR INTERESTS NORMALLY IS NOT TREMENDOUSLY HIGH, [LAUGHTER] IN MY OPINION.
IF THERE'S SOMEONE WHO IS INTERESTED AND WANTS TO DO IT RIGHT NOW, IN MY OPINION, I THINK WE NEED TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT, SO IT HAPPENS QUICKLY.
>> I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER, OUR MAYOR PRO TEM REED.
[LAUGHTER] I LOVE SEEING MORE PEOPLE BECOME INVOLVED IN OUR CITY, [NOISE] AND WANTING TO PARTICIPATE.
AND I'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE TALKING TO ME ABOUT WHERE WE ARE, WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND EXPRESSING INTEREST ON OTHER PEOPLE, THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.
BUT IN TALKING AND THINKING ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AS MAYOR PRO TEM REED MENTIONED, JUST MAKING OUR MEETINGS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE.
THIS REQUIRING A SPECIAL AND EXECUTIVE SESSION, POSSIBLY A SPECIAL MEETING, I THINK IT'S BEST THAT WE GO AHEAD AND APPOINT, AND ENCOURAGE ANYBODY THAT HAS AN INTEREST IN OUR CITY TO RUN FOR THE UPCOMING ELECTIONS COME MAY APPLY TO BE ON COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS, IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT HAS THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE CAN APPOINT.
>> MADAM COUNCIL, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US THE SUPERMAJORITY, AND THEN WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON WITH THE BUDGET, AND JUST BRING EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED?
>> WE REQUIRE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR REGULAR MEETINGS AND FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR MEETINGS THAT ARE EITHER SPECIALLY CALLED OR NOT OUR REGULAR MEETINGS OR MEETINGS THAT DEAL WITH THE BUDGET TAX RATE.
HAVING A VACANCY DOES NOT AFFECT THE FORM REQUIREMENTS, SO NOW WE ARE STILL REQUIRED TO HAVE THREE AND FOUR IN THIS RESPECTIVELY, REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE PER SE.
>> MAYOR, DO WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION OF HOW WE WISH TO MOVE FORWARD?
>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH AN APPOINTMENT VIA NOMINATIONS.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH, THAT WE MOVE FORWARD BY APPOINTING SOMEONE BY NOMINATION.
IT IS SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM, JIM REED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD BY APPOINTING BY NOMINATION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES THREE.
NOW, NEXT WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 4.
>> WAS GOING TO DO THAT RIGHT HERE.
>> ITEM 4: CONSIDERATION AND APPROPRIATE ACTION CONCERNING RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-746, APPOINTING A COUNCIL MEMBER TO SERVE EFFECTIVE AUGUST 1, 2023, THROUGH THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED ELECTION OF MAY 4TH, 2024.
COUNCIL, IS THERE A NOMINATION?
>> MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE RANDY KERCHO.
RANDY IS CURRENTLY ON THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
HE ALSO HAS RECENTLY BEEN ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN COMMITTEE, AND PRIOR LIFE, SO TO SPEAK, PREVIOUSLY, HE WAS ALSO ON THE HOME RULE COMMISSION.
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>> WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE RANDY KERCHO.
>> I WOULD SECOND THAT MADAM MAYOR.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPOINT RANDY KERCHO TO COUNCIL.
ANY DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPOINTING RANDY KERCHO TO COUNCIL, TO SERVE THE REST OF PRIOR COUNCIL MEMBER MICHAEL SLAUGHTER'S TERM, WHICH WOULD END ON MAY 4TH, 2024, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANYONE OPPOSE? HEARING NONE, MOTION CARRIES.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO.
>> ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH US? [LAUGHTER].
>> ARE YOU AVAILABLE TO SERVE?
[NOISE] WELL, THEN IF YOU WOULD, COME UP TO THE PODIUM.
[BACKGROUND] [NOISE] THIS IS THE ONE, IF YOU NEED SOMETHING.
>> IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. I.
>> DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE.
>> DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE.
>> THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF COUNCIL MEMBER.
>> THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF COUNCIL MEMBER.
>> AND WILL, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
>> AND WILL, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
>> PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND.
>> PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND.
>> THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE. SO HELP ME GOD.
>> THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE. SO HELP ME GOD.
>> I NEED YOU TO SIGN RIGHT HERE AND THEN [INAUDIBLE].
[LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND] AT THIS TIME, WHILE HE IS DOING HIS PAPERWORK, COUNCIL, I WILL ASK IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO ACCEPT MR. KERCHO RESIGNATION FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
[LAUGHTER] SO HE CAN ACCEPT? YES.
>> DO I NEED A FULL MOTION FOR THAT OR CAN WE JUST GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT?
>> WE GO AHEAD AND THEN TO THE NEXT ITEM, IF THERE ARE ANY [INAUDIBLE].
>> WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 5,
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CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON PANORAMA STREET PRELIMINARY PLAT SITUATED IN THE PHILIP ANDERSON SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 10, CITY OF PARKER, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS.[BACKGROUND] YES, MR. BIRKHOFF IS HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE SHOULD START WITH MR. MACHADO OR MR. BIRKHOFF OR MISS, SAY YOUR LAST NAME FOR ME.
[LAUGHTER] WHERE SHOULD WE START? WE WILL START WITH MICHELLE.
EXCUSE ME FOR THAT, BUT I CAN PRONOUNCE YOUR FIRST NAME.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THE FIRST TIME. IT'S TILOTTA.
MICHELLE TILOTTA, AGAIN, 6060 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, DALLAS, TEXAS.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, WE RESUBMITTED THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE PLAN SET TO THE CITY.
I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL WAS PROVIDED AN ELECTRONIC VERSION OF OUR UPDATED RESPONSE LETTER.
IF ALLOWED, I'D LIKE TO DISTRIBUTE A PHYSICAL COPY OF THE UPDATED RESPONSE LETTER THAT WAS SENT TO THE CITY YESTERDAY.
>> DOES THAT INCLUDE THE PLANS TOO?
>> WE DID NOT BRING PHYSICAL COPIES OF THE PLANS TONIGHT, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE THOSE.
[BACKGROUND] I BELIEVE COUNCIL HAS AN ELECTRONIC VERSION OF THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE RESUBMITTED PLAT AND PLANS BE APPROVED, AND IF STAFF NEEDS MORE TIME TO REVIEW THOSE DOCUMENTS, WE REQUEST THAT THE ITEM BE TABLED TO A DATE BEFORE AUGUST 20TH.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, LET ME KNOW I CAN ANSWER THOSE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] SESSION, I THOUGHT OUR 30TH DAY WAS ACTUALLY AUGUST.
I THOUGHT OUR 30TH DAY WAS 19TH.
>> I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE SAID.
>> ANY QUESTIONS? [NOISE] [BACKGROUND]
>> SHOULD I ASK ABOUT THE [INAUDIBLE]?
>> I'M SURE THERE'S [INAUDIBLE], SPECIFICALLY, THE FEMA REGULATIONS FOR THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM, THE NFID, WHICH IS REQUIRED FOR [INAUDIBLE].
WE CAN'T TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE. I'M SORRY.
>> THAT'S RESERVED FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION.
>> I'M SORRY. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND ASK YOU TO REMIND, WE'RE GOING TO BRING MR. BIRKHOFF BUT WE MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
MR. BIRKHOFF OR MR. MACHADO, I'M NOT REAL SURE WHO WANT.
>> JOHN BIRKHOFF WITH BIRKHOFF HENDRICKS & CARTER OF DALLAS, TEXAS.
WE HAD THE INITIAL REVIEW ON THIS SET OF PLANS AND WE DRAFTED A LETTER TO BACK TO THE CITY FOR P&Z ACTION BACK ON JULY 13TH.
DURING THE PRESENTATION TO P&Z, WE STATED THAT THERE WERE MANY ITEMS IN THIS SET OF PLANS AND THE PLAT THAT DO NOT MEET THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
YOU MEET IT OR YOU DON'T MEET IT.
WE RECEIVED AN INCOMPLETE SUBMITTAL BACK A LETTER DATED JULY THE 20TH, AND GOING THROUGH THAT LETTER, THE MAJOR POINTS AND THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE ARE STILL NOT BEING MET.
THERE WERE MANY COMMENTS IN THE REPLY THAT IT WAS GOOD ENGINEERING, AND BASICALLY, WE ACKNOWLEDGED IT.
WE MAY DO SOME THINGS, OTHER THINGS WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO.
WE'VE WAITED FOR A SET OF PLANS TO SHOW UP WITH THAT SECOND SUBMITTAL AND DID NOT RECEIVE ANY.
>> I'M SORRY, YOU GOT THEM WHEN?
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ON JULY 31ST, YESTERDAY, THERE WAS AN ELECTRONIC SET OF CONSTRUCTION PLANS SENT TO US AROUND 4:30S WHEN I RECEIVED THEM IN AN UPDATED LETTER.WHEN I PERUSED THE LETTER, THE MAIN POINTS AND THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE ARE STILL NOT BEING MET.
LOOKING AT THE ENGINEERING PLANS, THEY CORRECTED A NUMBER OF THINGS IN THE ENGINEERING PLANS THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO THE CALCULATIONS OF HOW DRAINAGE WILL BE HANDLED.
I'D LIKE TO JUST GO THROUGH THE MAJOR POINTS THAT WE SEE IN THE PLAT AND THE PLANS.
THE DEVELOPER CONTINUES TO TELL US THIS IS A STREET PLAT.
THERE IS NO STREET PLAT IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
YOU READ THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, IT SAYS, IF THERE'S A STREET ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE PLANNING, THEN IT'S A MAJOR PLAT.
THERE'S QUITE A FEW REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAVE FOR A MAJOR PLAT THAT THEY NEED TO FOLLOW.
THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE STATES THAT IF A STREET IS INCLUDED IS THE MAJOR PLAT, THE LOT IS ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I SEE THAT THEY WANT TO USE ON THE LOT IS INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTS.
DURING THE P&Z MEETING IN THE AUDIENCE, THEY BROUGHT UP SOME INFORMATION TO ME.
I'VE HEARD THAT INFORMATION TODAY ABOUT THE DRAINAGE.
UNTIL THIS FIRST SUBMITTAL, I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT, HAD NEVER SEEN IT.
I KNEW THAT THERE WAS THINGS GOING ON IN THE MUD.
I DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN ANY OF THAT.
THIS IS FAIRLY NEW TO ME, GOING THROUGH THE REVIEW AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DRAINAGE IS.
WE HAVE THIS ETJ PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IF THEY WANTED TO PLAT, THEY COULD DO THAT, AND IF THE STREET WAS PART OF THE PLAT, WE COULD LOOK AT IT.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE ETJ BEING PLATTED BY THE CITY.
THEY TALK ABOUT A MUD THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN.
BUT NOW THEY WANT TO HAVE THIS ROAD THAT GOES TO NOWHERE.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN DOESN'T REQUIRE A ROAD THERE.
THE ORIGINAL SET JUST HAD A CUL-DE-SAC AT THE END.
THE SECOND LETTER SAID, WELL, IT'S TEMPORARY WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE, THE ETJ.
WELL, WE DON T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE ETJ.
TYPICALLY WHEN YOU SEE SOMEONE PLATTING AND PHASES OR PARTS, YOU SEE THE WHOLE PLAN.
I THINK YESTERDAY I RECEIVED SOME INFORMATION ON THE MUD ITSELF AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE STREETS TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT, AND WHAT'S IN THE MUD IS NOT CONSISTENT IF THEY WERE TO PLAT WITHIN THE CITY.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE A MUD, THEY NEED TO BE A MUD.
IF THEY'RE GOING TO COME INTO THE CITY, THEY NEED TO COME INTO THE CITY.
BUT WHAT WE'RE GETTING IS A MIXED BAG OR TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY REALLY WANT TO DO.
WELL, ENGINEERING-WISE, I REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING TO REALLY REVIEW THE PLANS AND GIVE YOU ALL SOME GOOD FEEDBACK.
THE STREET THAT THEY HAVE, THE STREET TO NOWHERE THAT MAY CONNECT TO SOMETHING SOMEDAY.
WHY DO WE WANT A STREET TO NOWHERE THAT THE CITY HAS TO MAINTAIN? IN THE INITIAL PLANS, THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON DRAINAGE THAT WE HAD TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT, LOOKING FOR CALCULATIONS.
AS I SAID TONIGHT AND AT THE P&Z, PEOPLE BROUGHT UP THINGS ABOUT THE MUD OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ROUTE WATER.
WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PLANS TODAY, THE DRAINAGE AREA MAP DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THAT WATER.
IT JUST APPEARS TO ME THE ENGINEER OF RECORD IS NOT GIVING THE CITY THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO REALLY REVIEW THESE DETENTION PONDS.
WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THE SET OF PLANS, THE STREET CONTRIBUTES VERY LITTLE WATER, AND I'M THINKING, MAYBE IT'S AN ENTRY FEATURE TO THE SUBDIVISION IN THE SOUTH.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THEY HAD SO MUCH WATER RETENTION PONDS, THEY WERE CALLING RETENTION PONDS.
I THINK IN THE SECOND LETTER, THEY SAID, WE'LL AGREE TO A RETENTION POND.
WELL, WHAT IS IT? I STILL AM NOT CLEAR.
AND MAYBE THIS THIRD SET OF PLANS THAT THEY SUBMITTED WILL CLEAR THAT UP, BUT WE DO NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IN THEIR MASTER PLAN.
WHERE'S THE WATER GOING ULTIMATELY? THEY HAVE WHAT WE CALL A RESERVE STRIP ALONG THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
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THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE DOES NOT ALLOW RESERVE STRIPS.THIS IS BASICALLY A STRIP OF LAND THAT REALLY DENIES ACCESS TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE COME BACK IN THEIR SECOND LETTER OF JULY 20TH SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE AN ACCESS EASEMENT.
GREAT. IT STILL DOESN'T ELIMINATE THE RESERVE STRIP.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED BY YOUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
NOT SURE WHY THE ENGINEER DOES NOT WANT TO FOLLOW THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND REMOVE RESERVE STRIP.
AGAIN, IT'S A MAJOR PLAN BY YOUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
THE PLAN SHOWS THAT THEY'RE ELEVATING THE ROAD.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY HARD, EVEN THROUGH A RESERVE STRIP, TO ALLOW THE ADJOINING PROPERTY TO ACCESS THIS PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY ROAD FOR THE CITY WITHOUT MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS, BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE A DRAINAGE CHANNEL THAT THEY'RE PUTTING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BERM TRYING TO COLLECT WATER.
AND THEN I'VE SEEN WHERE THEY'RE COLLECTING IT IN A POND AND I'VE SEEN WHERE IT'S JUST PASS-THROUGH WATER.
SO IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT THEY'RE REALLY DOING WITH THE STORM GRANT WHEN THEY DISCHARGE IT.
THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT A WATERLINE BE CONSTRUCTED ALONG THIS ROAD TO CONNECT THE CITY WATER SYSTEM TO THE MUD OR TO THE PLATTED PROPERTY IN THE CITY.
IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWN THERE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT THE WATER LINE IN.
BUT IN THE MASTER PLAN, THEY HAVE A WATER LINE, SO NOT SURE.
ON ONE HAND, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT, BUT IN THE MASTER PLAN, THEY WANT TO DO IT, AND WE HAD A MEETING THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT THIS MUD THE ETJ IS IN YOUR CCN, SO YOU DO HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM WATER AND THERE'S WAYS TO DO THAT, BUT THE PLANS ARE NOT CLEAR ON EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES A STREET TO CONFORM TO THE ORIGINAL TOPOGRAPHY OUT THERE, GET AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN.
RAISING THE ROAD A FEW FEET UP IN THE AIR, CREATING A BERM DOES NOT MEET THE INTENT OF YOUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE OF BEING CLOSE TO THE NATURAL GROUND.
MOST STREETS THAT ARE BUILT USUALLY GO A LITTLE BIT LOWER AND THE WATER DRAINS INTO THE STREET, THE AREA TO THE WEST USE THE OUTLETS IN THE STORM SEWER SYSTEM WITH DROP INLETS TO PICK THAT WATER UP AND NOT KNOWING HOW THAT WILL ULTIMATELY DEVELOP OUT, IF IT DEVELOPS AT ALL.
SO THE OTHER THING THAT THE MAJOR PLAT REQUIRES IS THAT YOU SHOW ALL OF YOUR EASEMENTS ON THE PLAT.
THE ONLY THING THAT THEY SHOW IS RIGHT AWAY ON THE STREET EVERYTHING ELSE IS BY EASEMENT, BY THEIR DOCUMENTS.
WELL, IF YOU HAVE EASEMENTS AND YOU KNOW THEY'RE EASEMENTS, THEY NEED TO BE ON THE PLAT, YOU CAN'T DO IT SEPARATE.
YOU USUALLY DO A SEPARATE INSTRUMENT IF YOU HAVE OFF-SITE EASEMENTS REQUIRED FOR UTILITIES, DRAINAGE, AND THE LIKE.
SO GREGORY LANE, WE HEARD TONIGHT, THAT IS NOT A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
WE, IN OUR JULY 13TH LETTER, POINTED THAT OUT THAT THEY STAY PRIVATE ROAD.
WE DID A LITTLE BIT MORE INVESTIGATION ON IT, AND WHAT WE KNOW IS THE ENTIRE NORTH SIDE OF GREGORY LANE IS PRIVATE.
PART OF THE ROAD TO THE WEST IS PRIVATE, GOING EAST, JUST THE EASTBOUND LANE IS PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU TIE A PUBLIC STREET INTO A ROAD THAT'S MAINLY PRIVATE.
SO YOU HAVE PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT-OF-WAY TODAY, AND THAT PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT IS REALLY FOR A DEAD END STREET WITH A LIMITED NUMBER OF VEHICLES.
I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU OVERCOME TYING A PUBLIC STREET INTO A PRIVATE STREET.
I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT ANSWER.
SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO REVIEW THE DESIGN PLANS WHEN SO MANY OF THE ITEMS IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE ARE NOT BEING MET.
WHEN THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS ARE MET, THEN WE CAN DO WITH OUR REVIEW OF THE ENGINEERING PLANS.
RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ENGINEERING PLANS THAT DO NOT CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE OF WHETHER IT'S RAISING THE ROAD OR ANY OF THESE OTHER ITEMS. SO I WOULD STAND HERE TODAY AS I TOLD THE P&Z, THIS SET OF PLANS AND PLAT, THEY DO NOT MEET THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
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THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, AS I SAID EARLIER, IS BLACK OR WHITE, YOU DO IT OR YOU DON'T, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME OF MR. BIRKHOFF? MR. MACHADA, WERE YOU AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION?
>> CAN YOU TELL ME IF THEY HAD A RECOMMENDATION OR NOT?
>> THEY HAD A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY.
>> TO DENY. WOULD YOU PLEASE COME BACK UP?
>> WHO PAYS THE LIGHT BILL IN THIS ROOM?
>> AND WE'VE JUST SPENT THE LAST 45 MINUTES BURNING TAX DOLLARS WHEN YOU'RE BRINGING SOMETHING HERE THAT'S OBVIOUS SHOULDN'T BE HERE.
I'M EMBARRASSED FOR YOUR FIRM.
IN THAT BASIS, I MOVE TO DENY THIS BASED ON NOT COMPLIANCE WITH SUBDIVISION IN THE TRANSPORTATION REQUIREMENT FOR THE PANDORA STREET PARLIAMENT PLAT ABSTRACT NUMBER 10.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER FECHT TO DENY THE PLAT.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER FECHT, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM JIM REED TO DENY THE PLAT BASED ON NOT MEETING SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
>> SUBDIVISION AND TRANSPORTATION REQUIREMENTS.
>> SUBDIVISION AND TRANSPORTATION REQUIREMENTS.
>> I THINK IT'S TRANSPORTATION.
>> MORE SPECIFICALLY THE TRANSPORTATION CODE.
>> SO IF WE CAN AMEND THAT, ACTUALLY WE MIGHT AMEND THAT AND WE MIGHT START OVER
>> IN NUMBER 5, THE CODE [INAUDIBLE] OH, I SEE IT. NEVER MIND.
>> I MOVE THAT WE DENY IT, BASED ON THE CODE AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH SUBDIVISION AND TRANSPORTATION REQUIREMENTS.
>> ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT HIS AMENDMENTS TO THE MOTION?
>> YES, MADAM MAYOR, I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION AS STATED.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE PANORAMA STREET PLAT AS PRESENTED FOR NOT MEETING TRANSPORTATION CODE AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANYONE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 4-0 [APPLAUSE]. THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER 6: CONSIDERATION AND/OR APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-747, MAKING APPOINTMENTS TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
COUNCIL, WHEN WE STARTED TONIGHT, WE HAD ONE OPENING.
WE NOW HAVE TWO AT THIS TIME, I KNOW WE HAVE ONE APPLICANT.
HIS APPLICATION WAS IN YOUR PACKET.
IS THERE ANY MOTION OR DISCUSSION ON THAT?
>> MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE [INAUDIBLE] BUDDY PILGRIM TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO THE ALTERNATE 1 POSITION.
>> OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OR ANY DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, THEN I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE ON THE MOTION IS TO APPOINT BUDDY PILGRIM, HI, BUDDY, TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO SERVE OUT THE TERM TO 2020.
PATTY HELP ME HERE, WHAT WAS THE TERM?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
BUDDY, WELCOME TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
>> THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE]. [APPLAUSE]
>> ITEM 7, AUTHORIZING STAFF AND ENGINEERING TO ADVERTISE, AND PREPARE BID DOCUMENTS FOR THE 2024 STREET MAINTENANCE PROJECT.
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COUNCIL, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, WHEN WE WERE IN CIP OR OTHER WHEREVERS.WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS GO AHEAD AND BRING THREE ROADS, DUBLIN ROAD, LEWIS LANE, AND CURTIS LANE FOR A REPAIR.
AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO GO OUT FOR BID, ONE, TO FIND OUT WHAT THE ACTUAL COST WILL BE.
BECAUSE WE'VE ALL HEARD NUMBERS.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW ACCURATE THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
LET'S GO OUT FOR BID, HAVE THE BIDS COME IN, AND HOPE WE GET BIDS, AND THEN SEE WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO AT THIS TIME, WHILE WE'RE STILL WORKING ON AN OVERALL CIP PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, OR DISCUSSION?
>> I MIGHT HAVE SOME DISCUSSION IF I CAN HAVE THE FLOOR JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT.
>> I WENT THROUGH SOME OF THIS, AND I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE OVERALL SCOPE HERE.
I'M ALL FOR HAVING OUR ROADS BE IN BETTER SHAPE, CERTAINLY, BEING ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS AN INITIAL INVESTIGATION, THAT WE FOUND, WAS THAT WE HAD TO UNDERSTAND THE LEVEL OF CONSTRUCTION THAT WE HAD TO EMPLOY.
AND WE ALSO HAD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WANTED TO PRIORITIZE.
AND THEN WE HAD TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND, MAYBE, IN ADDITION TO THIS, IS THAT WHAT CATEGORIES OF ROADS ARE WE LOOKING AT ALSO? SO SOME OF THAT I THINK IS IMPLIED HERE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, THAT THESE ARE ALL FEEDER ROADS AND I THINK THERE WAS A CONSENSUS, THAT THOSE ARE ONES THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IN GOOD ORDER.
HOWEVER, THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION PROCESS COULD BE VASTLY DIFFERENT, AND I MIGHT HAVE OUR ENGINEER, SINCE HE'S HERE, COME UP BECAUSE I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EXTENSIVELY.
IF HE COULD COME UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, [NOISE] ONE OF THE BARRIERS THAT WE HAD WAS BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF THE SOIL.
YOU HAD TO REALLY DO CORE SAMPLES TO FIND OUT WHAT TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION YOU WANTED TO DO, WHAT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE.
AND THERE WAS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH ALL THOSE.
SO MY CONCERN HERE AND LOOKING AT ALL THIS, AND LOOKING AT COST CONSTRAINTS, TIMING, AND IMPACT OF EVERYTHING IS THAT I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN GO FORWARD WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT TYPE OF ROAD STRUCTURE THAT WE COULD PUT TOGETHER.
SO MAYBE YOU COULD COMMENT ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.
>> JOHN BIRKHOFF; BIRKHOFF, HENDRIX & CARTER; DALLAS, TEXAS ONCE MORE.
SO AS WE TALK ABOUT ROADS HERE IN PARKER, YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF CONCRETE ROADS, AND YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF ASPHALT ROADS ABOUT TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS AGO, WE DID A PAVEMENT EVALUATION, AND FOR THE MOST PART, YOUR CONCRETE ROADS ARE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
THERE'S ONE OR TWO THAT ARE NOT SO DESIRABLE, FOUR-INCH VERY LITTLE STEEL, THAT WILL CREEP UP IN TIME.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF ASPHALT STREETS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT HAVE DETERIORATED IN THE PAST.
IT'S REALLY MAINTENANCE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ON THESE STREETS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE STREETS WE HAVE, OR WE'RE TRYING TO RECONSTRUCT THEM.
WE HAD SOME CONVERSATION THAT THEY ALL OUGHT TO BE CONCRETE, SOME OF THE OTHER OUGHT TO BE ASPHALT, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND SO WHEN YOU GET INTO A MAJOR RECONSTRUCTION, THEN SOIL BORINGS WOULD BE HELPFUL.
DO YOU NEED TO DO SOIL BORINGS IN EVERY STREET? THE GEOTECHNICAL FARMERS WOULD TELL YOU YOU DO IT ABOUT EVERY 500 FT. WE KNOW WHAT IT IS, WE DO A PAVEMENT DESIGN AND WE MOVE.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF STREETS, AND I'M JUST GOING TO START WITH THE RESIDENTIAL IF I CAN, THAT ARE ASPHALT STREETS.
THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED, HALF THEIR LIFE WAS GONE WHEN THE LAST HOUSE WAS PUT IN, BECAUSE OF ALL THE CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT.
WHETHER IT'S CONCRETE TRUCKS, LUMBER TRUCKS, MOVING VANS, THAT PROBABLY PUT MORE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE ROAD THAN JUST A NORMAL CAR TRAFFIC.
THOSE STREETS, DO YOU WANT TO GO IN AND RECONSTRUCT ALL THOSE, OR DO WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THEM? DOING OVERLAYS OR RE-MIX, BECAUSE THE VOLUME IS LOW, THE FREQUENCY OF HEAVY TRUCKS IS LESS THAN WHAT'S BEEN IN THE PAST.
WHEN WE START TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF OUR THOROUGHFARES, SAY DUBLIN ROAD, WHEN WE LOOK AT LEWIS LANE, THOSE ARE COLLECTOR STREETS.
THEY'RE CARRYING A WHOLE LOT MORE TRAFFIC.
AND IN DUBLIN, OVER PROBABLY THE LAST 10 OR MORE YEARS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT DOES THIS CITY REALLY WANT DUBLIN ROAD TO LOOK LIKE? IS IT A CONCRETE ROAD, IS IT CURVE AND GUTTER, IS IT OPEN DITCH? WHAT LEVEL DO YOU WANT TO BRING IT UP TO? IN ANY OF THESE ROADS, ESPECIALLY THE COLLECTORS, YOU CAN PUT ALL THE MONEY YOU WANT INTO PAVING, IF YOU DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE DRAINAGE,
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THOSE ROADS WILL EVENTUALLY FAIL.CONCRETE WEARS OUT. THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS, THEY REBUILD THEM, INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS HAVE POTHOLES IN THEM.
WHEN THEY HAVE POTHOLES, IT'S THE SUBGRADE FAILURE IN A ROAD, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE RIDING SURFACE IS.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE UNDERLYING SUPPORT, THE ROAD WILL FAIL.
SO AS WE LOOK AT DUBLIN ROAD, THERE'S A NUMBER OF AREAS ON THERE THAT YOU SEE A LOT OF DEPRESSIONS OR WHAT WE CALL ALLIGATOR CRACKING.
THAT'S JUST CLASSIC BASE FAILURES.
ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, WITH LIMITED FUNDS, WE WENT IN AND TRIED TO FIX A NUMBER OF THOSE BY PATCHING, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE MONEY TO GO IN AND DO ANYTHING ELSE.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT CURTIS, A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON IT.
THERE'S ABOUT A 500-FOOT OF SECTION, THAT HAS BASE FAILURES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE CHANNEL ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THE DRAINAGE CHANNEL.
AS GARY AND I LOOKED AT IT TODAY, THAT SEEMS LIKE YOU WOULD RECONSTRUCT THAT.
YOU WOULD PROBABLY LINE THE CHANNEL SO YOU QUIT LOSING THE ROAD.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH THERE, AND WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL RE-MIX.
THE BASE, WE'VE TAKEN THE EXISTING MATERIAL UNDERNEATH, MAINLY AGGREGATE, STONE, OR SOME TYPE.
THE ASPHALT, WE MIX IT TOGETHER WITH CEMENT AND WE MAKE IT MORE OF A RIGID BASE MATERIAL.
AND THEN WE GO IN AND WE OVERLAY, AND THAT TYPE OF REHAB, IT'S KIND OF A BAND-AID FIX.
YOU GET MAYBE 5-8 YEARS OUT OF IT, DEPENDING ON THE STRUCTURE THAT YOU DO.
IF WE TOOK SOIL BORINGS THERE, THEY WOULD HELP TELL US THE EXACT AMOUNT OF CEMENT YOU WOULD ADD.
WE'RE PROBABLY OVER-ADDING IT, WE'RE USING ABOUT 32 POUNDS OF CONCRETE PER SQUARE YARD, AND MIXING AT ABOUT 6-8 INCHES.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE S CURVE ON DUBLIN, WE HAVE NOW RE-MIXED THAT TWICE.
IT CONTINUES TO FAIL, AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO FAIL, [NOISE] UNTIL SOME TYPE OF DRAINAGE WORK IS DONE.
AND TO DO DRAINAGE WORK IS WHERE DO YOU TAKE THE WATER? THERE'S NO GOOD PLACE TO TAKE IT WITHOUT SPENDING A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY.
SO WHAT OUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN WHEN WE REBUILT SPRING HILL ESTATES, WE REMIXED, WE PUT ASPHALT DOWN AND WE PUT A FIBERGLASS MATERIAL IN THERE, A GLASS GRID, AND THEN WE OVERLAID IT.
SO WE WERE PUTTING THIS MATERIAL IN THAT'S LIKE REBAR IN CONCRETE, IT WAS HOLDING THE CRACKS TOGETHER.
STEEL AND CONCRETE THAT YOU SEE IS TEMPERATURE STEEL, IT'S DESIGNED NOT FOR LOADS, BUT TO HOLD THE CRACKS TOGETHER, SO YOU DON'T SEE THEM.
AND THEN WE HAD PLANNED, SAW DUMMY JOINTS WHERE WE WANT THE CRACK TO OCCUR, SO WE TRIED TO CONTROL THE CRACKING.
ON SPRING HILL ESTATES, WHICH IS PROBABLY GOING ON SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS?
>> WE DID NO SOILS INVESTIGATION THERE.
I THINK THERE'S ONE AREA THAT'S SHOWING SOME DISTRESS, BUT THERE'S NO CRACKING IN IT.
>> WE HAVE THEN TAKING THAT SAME, IT WAS A NEW PRODUCT THAT THEY HAVE, IS GLASS PAID, IT'S A FIBERGLASS FABRIC.
AND WE HAVE OVERLAID A NUMBER OF STREETS WITH THAT.
I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF THE NAME OF STREET BUT THE CONTRACTOR WAS SUPPOSED TO GO IN AND FIX THE ALLIGATOR CRACKING DEPRESSION.
HE DIDN'T DO IT, THEY PUT THE FABRIC DOWN, THEY OVERLAID IT.
AND THAT'S BEEN THREE YEARS, AND THE CRACKS AND THE DEPRESSION HASN'T RETURNED YET.
>> OLD GATE IN COUNTRYSIDE, I BELIEVE.
>> NO, THE ONE GOING OFF OF PARKER ROAD.
>> [NOISE] IT'S NOT COUNTRYSIDE, IS IT?
>> [INAUDIBLE] COUNTRYSIDE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> [BACKGROUND] SOMEWHERE IN PARKER.
>> YEAH, SOMEWHERE IN PARKER, WE PUT THE FABRIC DOWN, THEY DIDN'T FIX THE ROAD AND HASN'T COME BACK.
WE HAVE OVERLAID WITH IT, WE HAVE REMIXED, AND WE HAVE USED IT.
LEWIS LANE, KING'S CROSS AND FIVE, THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO REBUILD THAT ROAD AND WE HELD IT TO THAT SAME STANDARD OF REMIX, PUT AN INCH AND A HALF, A HOT MIX, PUT THE FABRIC DOWN AND THEN THE RIDING SURFACE TO TWO INCHES AND THAT'S BEEN LIKE A YEAR-AND-A-HALF AND THOSE ROADS ARE HOLDING TOGETHER.
SO THOSE ARE OUR MAINTENANCE TYPE, WE WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD GET FIVE,
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EIGHT OR PLUS YEARS OUT OF THOSE VERSUS A TOTAL RECONSTRUCT.THE TOTAL RECONSTRUCT, WE LOOK AT PAVING AND DRAINAGE, HOW DO WE GET THE WATER AWAY FROM US? AS GARY AND I WERE TALKING, DRAINAGE TODAY IN SOME OF THESE AREAS PROBABLY COST AS MUCH AS THE ROAD ITSELF TO DO, TO REMIX, ADD THE CEMENT.
PUT HOT MIX DOWN, PUT THE FABRIC DOWN, ANOTHER LAYER OF HOT MIX IS ABOUT $200 A FOOT BASED ON SOME CURRENT PRICING THAT WE GOT FROM CONTRACTOR THAT SUBMITTED SOME INFORMATION TO GARY.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE S CURVE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE GET SERIOUS IN SPENDING A MILLION OR TWO MILLION DOLLARS ON A VERY SHORT SECTION OF ROAD, IF WE WANT TO PUT A REALLY STRONG BAND-AID ON IT, WE OUGHT TO EXCAVATE ALL THAT BAD MATERIAL OUT BECAUSE WE'VE DONE IT TWICE, IT DOESN'T HOLD UP, BRING IN ABOUT 12 INCHES OF STONE OR FLEX BASE, COME IN WITH THE ASPHALT SUB LAYER, THE FIBERGLASS, AND THE RIDING SURFACE, AND SEE IF WE CAN GET A NUMBER OF YEARS OUT OF THAT.
>> THESE ROADS WERE BROUGHT TO ME AS EMERGENCY ITEMS THAT NEEDED TO BE FIXED, NEEDED TO BE REPAIRED, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A TOTAL REPAVED JOB, IT WAS JUST TO MOVE US FORWARD TO GET SOMETHING DONE FROM THESE ROADS WERE DRIVABLE, AND DUBLIN ROAD HAS SOME SAFETY ISSUES ON IT.
IT'S HAS MORE ACCIDENTS THAN ANY OTHER ROAD IN PARKER, AND SOME OF THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
LET'S FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE DRAINAGE, THE WATER LINES, AND EVERYTHING.
BUT AT LEAST DO WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY WHERE WE CAN MAKE A START ON THE SAFETY ISSUES, THE POTHOLE ISSUES.
LEWIS LANE, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S PARTS WHERE YOU HAVE TO DRIVE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE STREET BECAUSE IT'S SO BAD, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
>> AND ON LEWIS LANE, THAT SECTION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ACTUALLY IN LUCAS, THE PARKER SIDE IS STILL DRIVABLE.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT LEWIS LANE, IT'S THE FAR NORTH PART THAT IS STARTING TO FALL APART, AND GARY AND I TALK, THAT'S PROBABLY THE SECTION THAT WE CAN REMIX, PUT IN THERE, AND EXTEND THIS LIFE.
THEN EVEN ON CURTIS IT'S NOT ALL OF THE ASPHALT PART OF CURTIS, IT'S ABOUT 500 FEET ON THE WESTBOUND LANE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CENTER LINE AND SOME CONCRETE LINING.
WE DID THAT AT LEWIS, AT THE CHANNEL WE PUT CONCRETE IN WHERE WE KEPT LOSING THE ROAD BECAUSE THERE'S NO LATERAL SUPPORT TO HOLD THE ROAD IN, IT JUST KEEPS FALLING IN BECAUSE OF THE MOISTURE IN THE CHANNEL AND IN SUBGRADE.
>> GARY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD?
>> NO, I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU THAT THAT WASN'T ON LEWIS, THAT WAS LUCAS SIDE. [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS, CONCERNS.
SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS, [NOISE] AND I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THIS IS GOING TO FIX THE ROADS, SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A MAINTENANCE ITEM.
WHAT PARTS OF THE ROADS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? MY CONCERN HERE IS THIS REALLY DOESN'T GIVE ME, THEN TELL ME WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO? IT'S A PATCH, AND YET, I WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE SAYING YES, LET'S GO OUT FOR BID WITHOUT SEEING THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO, AND THIS IS ESTIMATED COSTS.
NOW I'M NOT ASKING FOR DETAILS, BUT MR. BIRKHOFF ALREADY HAS INDICATED SOME NUMBERS WITH RESPECT TO, I GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'VE GOTTEN ON DUBLIN ROAD WHICH ACTUALLY WAS LOWER THAN PREVIOUS NUMBERS PER LINEAR FOOT OF HOW MUCH TO REPAIR CERTAIN THINGS.
BUT IT SEEMS REASONABLE THAT WE SHOULD SEE WHAT THAT INFORMATION IS IN WRITING IN ORDER TO MAKE A DECISION.
ALSO WITH RESPECT TO DUBLIN ROAD, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE SAFETY, ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO SAFETY, I THINK HAS BEEN ADDRESSED OR TALKED ABOUT AND I'M AT A LOSS FOR WHY WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS IS PUT STOP SIGNS AT THE MAJOR STREETS THAT BEFORE THE CURVES.
YET MY UNDERSTANDING AND LOOKING AT THOSE DIFFERENT MAPS,
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THOSE DIFFERENT DRAWINGS THAT WE HAVE, BY PUTTING STOP SIGNS, WELL, IT MAY NOT ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM OF STUPIDITY OF PEOPLE RUNNING OFF THE CURVES, BUT AT LEAST IT WILL SLOW THEM DOWN AND HOPEFULLY MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT LESS.I DEFINITELY WANT US TO GET OFF-CENTER, GET MOVING ON TO STREETS.
I WONDER IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION PULLED TOGETHER AND DISGUST WITH RESPECT TO OUR BUDGET BECAUSE AT THAT POINT WE'LL HAVE A MUCH BETTER FEEL FOR HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE TO SPEND, IN MY OPINION.
>> AS GARY AND I WENT AND DROVE SOME OF THESE STREETS BEFORE THE MEETING TONIGHT, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE S CURVE OF TRYING TO RECONSTRUCT THAT.
IN OUR COSTING, WE HAD THE STOP SIGNS AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME REBEL STRIPS ON EACH END TO TRY TO WARN PEOPLE ALL THOSE THINGS.
AS I SAID, WHEN WE LOOKED AT CURTIS, THAT'S REALLY A PATCH IN 500 FEET, SO I THINK WE HAVE THAT.
WHICH THEN LEAVES YOU, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 6,000 FEET, IF YOU JUST WANTED TO REMIX AND USE FIBERGLASS IN, AND GARY WAS GOING TO HELP FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT NEEDED TO GO.
SO I THINK WE GOT TO TELL YOU WHERE THE LIMITS ARE AND WHAT WE THINK [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DELINEATE NORTH DUBLIN AND SOUTH DUBLIN, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LEWIS LANE, I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE TO JUST TALK ABOUT RPS.
WE'VE GOT TO COMMIT TO WORKING THE COUNTY AND THE CITY OF LUCAS TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
TO DO A HALF SIDE OF A ROAD OR A LITTLE PIECE OF A ROAD ISN'T GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS ON LEWIS AND ISN'T GOING TO MAKE THE RESIDENTS ANY HAPPIER.
>> GARY AND I DID TALK ABOUT SPLIT ROAD, AND HE'S HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH LUCAS TO MOVE FORWARD.
>> I THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. [LAUGHTER]
>> GARY DID HAVE A SOLUTION, WE WERE GOING TO PUT A DOUBLE STRIPE DOWN AND WHERE WE REBUILD HALF THE ROAD, WE'D HAVE CITY OF PARKER [LAUGHTER] IN A STRIKE [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND] LUCAS NOT-SO-GOOD ROAD.
>> IT'D BE NICELY LANDSCAPED ON THAT ONE SIDE [LAUGHTER] AND ALL GREEN, THE OTHER SIDE WILL BE ALL BROWN.
>> THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS.
>> GARY TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH GARY HAS IN ORDER TO, GOD FORBID, HE HAS TO HAVE THE SPECS AND ALL THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE IT TONIGHT.
[NOISE] OR IF YOU AND JOHN HAVE IT TOGETHER.
>> WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INFO TOGETHER THAT WE HAVEN'T COMPLETED YET.
>> ASSUMING THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU COULD HAVE IT?
>> WELL, WE WANTED TO KNOW WHICH DIRECTION THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO AND IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR THIS RULING, AND IF THERE IS THAT JOHN COULD FINISH EVERYTHING UP AND WE CAN GET SOME INFORMATION READY TO GO FOR THIS.
>> WHEN YOU GET INFORMATION, COME BACK TO COUNCIL?
>> ON THE LEWIS LANE PORTION, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT IT ON THE BACK BURNER, BECAUSE WE GOT OTHER ENTITIES INVOLVED WITH THAT LET'S BREACH THAT SUBJECT WITH THEM.
HAVE GARY WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY OF LUCAS AND TRIED TO SEE WHAT WE CAN GET DONE ON THAT ASPECT? BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF OUR STUFF DONE RECENTLY ON THAT SECTION.
>> THE SECTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS OURS, WE OWN BOTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.
>> THERE'S A BATTERY IN THERE THAT NEEDS TO [INAUDIBLE].
>> BUT WE DO GET A GOOD COST BREAK ONCE WE START GETTING A CONTRACTOR ON SITE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THERE IS SOME BENEFIT FOR THAT DOING THAT ROAD PROJECT AS A JOINT PROJECT WITH THEM.
THEN I GUESS WE COULD LOOK AT THE S CURVE AREA AND THEN WE COULD ALSO LOOK AT THE CURTIS LANE.
THE PROBLEM WITH CURTIS IS, I DON'T WANT TO THROW BAD MONEY AFTER BAD MONEY ON CURTIS, ESPECIALLY WITH DELAY PROJECT COMING IN, AND THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE REALIGNED AT SOME POINT.
THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN ON THAT.
>> WE WERE NOT LOOKING AT ANYTHING CLOSE TO 2551.
IT WAS FURTHER TO THE WEST WHERE THE CONCRETE SECTION [OVERLAPPING]
>> CORRECT. WE'RE GOING TO REDO THAT WHOLE SECTION AND GET IT DONE RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME TEXTILE ISSUES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EVENTUALLY THROUGH THERE THAT WE'VE ALREADY POINTED OUT TO THEM AND THEY HAVEN'T CORRECTED YET.
>> THAT WAS ANOTHER CONCERN OF MINE JUST IN GENERAL IS THAT IF YOU GO DO SOMETHING AND
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THEN YOU HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT COME BACK ON TOP OF THAT OR THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE, LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COME IN AND DO THE WHOLE THING ANYWAY, DO A LITTLE PIECE OF IT AND THEN HAVE IT RUINED AND THEN REDO A PIECE OF IT OR IT'D BE BETTER OFF TO DO IT ALL.THAT'S WHY I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD ON HERE IS THE SCHEDULE OF COST CONSTRAINTS AND WHAT CATEGORIES AND HOW DO WE WANT TO DO IT.
BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ALL SCOPED AHEAD OF TIME, THEN YOU COULD GO IN, AND ONE FACET MIGHT BE, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS THE WAY WE GO, BUT JUST AS AN EXAMPLE IS THAT YOU GO IN AND YOU DO SOME MINOR RECONSTRUCTION ON PART OF DUBLIN THAT CONTINUES TO FALL AWAY, YOU PUT THE STOP SIGNS AND YOU REDO THE S CURVE IN THE BEST WAY YOU CAN BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG PROJECT TO DO THE DRAINAGE ISSUE OR WHATEVER.
BUT YOU COME UP WITH A PLAN TO DO SOMETHING SUPERFICIAL THAT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT NOW WITH THE OVERALL PLAN TO DO SOMETHING ELSE LATER ON.
BUT YOU HAVE TO THINK THROUGH THAT AHEAD OF TIME TO KNOW IF THE DECISION THAT YOU MAKE NOW IS THE RIGHT ONE.
>> HERE WE CAN [NOISE] PLAN AND UNDERSTAND.
HOWEVER, IN THE COMMUNITY, WE ARE REFERRED TO AS ANALYSIS PARALYSIS, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING AND HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
THIS WOULD AT LEAST MAKE AN EFFORT TO MAKE THOSE STREETS, WHICH ARE MAJOR ISSUES, DRIVABLE FOR THE NEAR FUTURE.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TAKING THEM DOWN TO DALTON BUILDING AND BACK UP.
I'M TALKING ABOUT DOING JUST SOME MAINTENANCE ISSUES.
LIKE I SAID, THEY WERE BROUGHT TO ME AS THESE THREE STREETS ARE THE WORST STREET.
THEY HAVE EMERGENCY ISSUES ON THEM AND HE'S TO GET THE BID SPECS SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING OUT TO BID FOR.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HAVE THEM TONIGHT, I WAS HOPING THAT IT WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED.
BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
OUR RESIDENTS DO NOT SEE US DOING ANYTHING ON THIS, AND THAT PERCEPTION HAS TO CHANGE.
>> MADAM MAYOR, IN THE BIBLE IT SAYS, WITHOUT VISION MY PEOPLE WILL PERISH.
I THINK WE SHOULD PUMP THE BREAKS AND GET A FULL 360 PLAN AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IT COST TO FIX ALL OF THEM IN THIS CITY AND THEN ALLOW THE APPROPRIATE MONEY TO THE APPROPRIATE PLACES.
I KNOW I'VE TALKED WITH MR. MACHADO FOR FIVE, SIX, SEVEN HOURS.
HE HAD SOME GREAT IDEAS ON HOW TO DO IT IN AREAS TO SAVE MONEY BY NOT DOING THE CORE SAMPLES.
WE ALREADY KNOW HOW BAD THE DIRT IS.
WE COULD ACTUALLY SPEND THE CORE SAMPLE MONEY ON ACTUALLY DOING THE ROAD SO WE CAN GET MORE PRODUCT BACK AT LESS DOLLARS PER COST PER SQUARE FOOT.
MR. BIRKHOFF, IF WE WERE SPENDING YOUR MONEY TO FIX THE ROADS IN THIS CITY, WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND IS THE TECHNIQUE AND HOW TO DO IT? COULD WE GO GET A BID FOR ALL OF THE STREETS SO WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT IT WOULD COST AND THEN WE BACK INTO 27 MILES OR 47 MILES A STREET, LOOK AT THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE AND BACK INTO THIS PROJECT'S GOING TO TAKE 14 YEARS AND HERE'S WHAT WE DO, THIS PROJECT'S GOING TO TAKE SIX YEARS AND HERE'S WHAT WE DO?
>> WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW IS HOW DO YOU WANT TO RECONSTRUCT THE ROAD PERMANENTLY? IF WE LOOK AT DUBLIN, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT? DO WE WANT A ROADWAY THAT'S 24-FEET WIDE OF CONCRETE? DO WE WANT IT 33 FEET WITH A CENTER TURN LANE? OR HOW MUCH RIDE AWAY DO WE NEED TO GET AND THEN DEAL WITH THE DRAINAGE.
I THINK WE'VE GONE THROUGH SOME EXERCISE IN THE PAST ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD COST.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR A CONTRACTOR TO COME IN AND SAY, OH, WE CAN DO IT FOR THIS IF HE DOESN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE DRAINAGE.
WHAT SIZE DOES EVERYTHING NEED TO BE? IT'S GOT TO BE DESIGNED OUT.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE DOLLAR ON THE CONCRETE THAT I'VE GIVEN YOU. YOU MAY.
>> SIX HUNDRED AND THIRTY-SEVEN DOLLARS PER LINEAR.
WE CAN ESTIMATE THOSE WITH CURRENT BID PRICING, IF WE KNOW WHAT TYPE OF SECTION YOU WANT.
THERE WAS CONVERSATION ON DUBLIN IN THE PAST.
WE WANT TO GET MORE RIDE AWAY.
WE WANT TO HAVE A JOGGING PATH IN THERE.
WE WANT TO DO ALL THESE THINGS.
WE CAN ESTIMATE THOSE THINGS IF THAT'S THE VISION OR THE COLLECTOR LIKE THAT.
>> NOT TO INTERRUPT, BUT THAT'S MY POINT IS THAT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT CAN WE HAVE THAT? I THINK MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE, THERE'S OTHER COUNCIL PEOPLE HERE, BUT TO MADAM MAYOR'S CALL TO ACTION HERE IS THAT, THAT WE DO WANT TO DO SOMETHING.
I AGREE, I'VE TALKED TO RESIDENTS AND I'VE HAD HOURS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH RESIDENTS OVER THIS ISSUE AND I UNDERSTAND.
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I THINK WE DO NEED TO DO SOMETHING.HOWEVER, WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO DO IS THAT WE HAVE COVERED INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
LET'S HAVE THAT MEETING SIT DOWN WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND LET'S HAVE THIS AS AN ITEM ON THERE, AND JUST LIKE WE DO FOR BUDGET, WE DON'T GET OUT OF THAT ROOM UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT THE PRIORITY AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
WE'RE GOING TO LIVE WITH THAT.
WE'LL SIT DOWN THERE, WE'RE GOING TO THROW OUT WHAT INFORMATION WE HAVE WITH OUR ENGINEER, WITH GARY, THE REST OF THE TEAM ON THE COMMITTEE, WHOEVER ELSE WANTS TO BE INVOLVED, AND THEN WE COME OUT WITH A PLAN.
THAT PLAN IS THEN HOW WE GO FORWARD.
THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO OR YOU NEVER GET OFF THE DIME WE TALKED ABOUT.
>> WE TRIED TO HAVE SEVERAL COP MEETINGS AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THE PEOPLE TO HELP THEM.
THAT'S VERY FRUSTRATING, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE CAN'T MOVE SOME THINGS FORWARD IN THIS CITY.
>> I AGREE HAVING THE MEETING, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE 27 MEETINGS OVER 26 YEARS.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS IF I'M JERRY JONES, YOU'RE MY GM.
I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. BUILD MY ROADS.
COME BACK AND TELL ME, HEY, THIS COST $222 A SQUARE FOOT.
THIS IS A FERRARI WE ALL WANT BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.
WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT AT THE WIDTHS THAT WOULD BE OF A NORMAL STANDARD RIGHT NOW? WE'LL PROBABLY NOT GOING TO PUT JOGGING PATHS MADE OF GOLD IN EVERYWHERE.
BUT WHAT WOULD BE OUR OPTIONS IF I PUT YOU IN CHARGE OF THIS PROJECT? BECAUSE WE COULD ALL BE IN THE MEETING, BUT YOU'LL BE IN.
>> WE HAVE A SPREADSHEET THAT BREAKS DOWN A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR YOU ALL TO WORK FROM TO GIVE US SOME DIRECTION OF THE TYPE OF ROAD THAT YOU WANT.
IF YOU'RE ASKING ME THE TYPE OF ROAD, I WOULD TELL YOU CONCRETE DESIGN FOR THE 100-YEAR STORM EXACTLY WHAT'S IN YOUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND IT'S GOING TO COST THIS MUCH.
WHAT REALLY MAKES ME HAPPY THE ENGINEERING IS GOING TO BE THAT BIG TOO.
RIGHT NOW AS WE LOOK AT JUST TRYING TO DO SOME REPAIRS, IT'S A BIG BILL.
ENGINEERING IS PRETTY SMALL BECAUSE THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT, WE'RE NOT DESIGNING THINGS.
WE KNOW WHAT HAS WORKED AND WHAT GETS US DOWN THE ROAD WITH SOME BAND-AIDS.
IF WE DON'T WANT ANY BAND-AIDS AND WE WANT TO START TO FIX THE ROAD, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO [NOISE] WHAT IS THAT SECTION THAT YOU WANT.
WHETHER IT'S CONCRETE OR ASPHALT, I CAN DESIGN A 20-YEAR LIFE PAVEMENT.
ASPHALT IS NOT A BAD ROADWAY, BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT EQUIVALENT TO CONCRETE AND THEN YOU COME OUT WITH THE COSTING TO DO THAT PLUS THE DRAINAGE.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND THE BIG BUCKS AT $607 A LINEAR FOOT, YOU REALLY NEED TO HAVE DRAINAGE SO THAT INVESTMENT DOESN'T FALL APART BECAUSE THE SUBGRADE IS MOIST AND IT FAILS ON YOU.
>> WELL, WE'RE GETTING WAY FAR FROM THE AGENDA ITEM.
>> THERE'S NOT A SINGLE THING THAT HAS BEEN SAID THAT I WOULD DISAGREE WITH AMONGST THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
BASICALLY, TO SUMMARIZE IT IN MY OWN WORDS, I'VE DRIVE DUBLIN A LOT AND I'M HAPPY THAT I HAVE A SUV THAT HAS SOME CLEARANCE AT THE BOTTOM.
BUT AT THAT ASPECT, WE KNOW THAT BACK AT THE ROAD TIME WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT ROADS AND DRAINAGE, THERE'S A VAST NUMBER OF ROADS THAT NEEDED WORK, DUBLIN OF WHICH WAS ONLY ONE OF THEM.
AS WE LOOKED AT DUBLIN, AND WE SAID REALLY TO DO ANYTHING, TO DO THE RIGHT JOB, IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT AND A BUDGET TO DO SO.
FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE SAID, WHO KNOWS WHAT EXACTLY GOING TO DO ON DUBLIN AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH IT.
BUT I'M ASSUME ALL THE OTHER ROADS THAT WERE OUT THERE LISTED AS FAR AS BEING BAD HAVEN'T GOTTEN BETTER ON THEIR OWN.
FROM THAT ASPECT, AS WE LOOK AT IT, WE SAID THE COP JUST DOING DUBLIN, WAY OUT OF REACH.
GOT A LOT OF ROADS OUT THERE THAT NEEDS IMPROVEMENT.
WE THEN LOOKED AND SAID, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BUDGET FOR ROADS, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD ALL THIS VARIOUS INFORMATION OUT THERE.
AND WHAT WE HAD SAID AT ONE POINT IS THAT MAYBE AT THAT TIME WHAT WE GO TO DO IS TRY AND GO UP THERE AND GET SOME PAPER, VERY GENERAL ESTIMATE ON ALL THESE ROADS SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH MIGHT COST TO TAKES EACH ROADS.
AS WE LOOK AT OUR BUDGET, WE CAN THEN SAY, WHICH ONES CAN BE BORROWED BECAUSE EVEN WHEN ALL THE ESTIMATES COME BACK FOR ALL THE ROADS THAT WE WORK,
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CAN'T SAY THAT FOR SURE, BUT STUFF [INAUDIBLE] SO WE NEED IT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD.SOMETHING [LAUGHTER] TO AT LEAST GRAB ONTO NOT BEING ENGINEERS TO GO OUT THERE AND SAY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DETERMINE BASED UPON THEIR BUDGET, WHAT WE DO OUT THERE AND FIX.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST SHOOTING IN THE DARK.
WE SAID, LET'S TRY AND GO GET THOSE GENERAL ESTIMATE.
AT THAT POINT IN TIME, SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS DISAGREED WITH IT.
EVERYBODY SAID, WELL, THE ESTIMATES ISN'T REALLY NECESSARY FOR SURE. AND FOR SURE.
[INAUDIBLE] WOULD SAY, I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATE WHAT SHE TOLD ME EXACTLY, [LAUGHTER] WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT.
NOW I EXPECTED EACH OF THE ROADS THAT WE HAVE WILL REQUIRE DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT WOULD BE ON A BIGGER ROAD LIKE DUBLIN, IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE THE SAME, SHOULDN'T TAKE THE SAME AND SHOULDN'T BE VERY THE SAME AS THE RESIDENTIAL STREET.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.
BUT WE STILL HAVE NOTHING REALLY, INCREASE THE LIST, HELP US FROM A BUDGETING STANDPOINT TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND WE ALSO SAID, FROM AN ESTIMATE, HOW GOOD IS THE ESTIMATE? WELL, WE HAD AN ESTIMATE ON DUBLIN YEARS AGO AND WE SAID, WELL, HOW GOOD IS THAT? WHAT EVERYONE SAID, WELL, THAT ESTIMATE PROBABLY IS NO GOOD BECAUSE SO MUCH TIME HAS CHANGED.
THE COST OF EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED, ETC.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO WE WANT TO PUT IN DRAINAGE TO YOUR POINT, HOW WIDE THE STREET SUPPOSED TO BE, ETC.
SO KIND OF YOU GET BACK TO THE SQUARE ONE AGAIN, WHICH SHOULD BECOME THE ANALYSIS PARALYSIS.
BUT WITHOUT SOMETHING IN HAND TO TRY TO HELP THROUGH THE BUDGETING PROCESS, WE ARE STUCK IN ANALYSIS PARALYSIS.
AT ONE POINT, AGAIN, I THINK IT WAS A BENEFIT TO TRY AND GET SOME GENERAL, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW IT'S A GENERAL NUMBER ON THE STREETS THAT WE'VE GOT LISTED THAT NEEDING REPAIR.
WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO AT LEAST TRY TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE THINK WE CAN AFFORD AND WHAT TO DO.
THEN GO OUT AND GET BIDS, THE ONES THAT WE THINK THAT WE CAN AFFORD AND TO MOVE FORWARD ON.
>> AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND AGREE WITH MOST OF THAT.
MY ONE CONCERN IS AND AGAIN, IT'S ON DUBLIN, WHICH IS THE MOST DANGEROUS ROAD OTHER THAN PARK ROAD IN THE CITY.
WE TOOK OUT, I THINK, CORRECT ME, 32 MAILBOXES LAST YEAR ON DUBLIN ROAD?
>> CHIEF BROOKS WHEN HE WAS HERE, GAVE US A RUN DOWN ON THAT AND THE DANGERS OF THAT.
TERRY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STOP SIGNS IN ORDER TO DO STOP SIGNS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING YOU HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY.
COUNCIL DID NOT APPROVE DOING A TRAFFIC STUDY BECAUSE OF ITS EXPENSE.
HOW DO WE GET THERE FROM HERE? WE ARE STUCK AND I WILL ASK [INAUDIBLE], SO WE GET OFF OF THIS ATOM BECAUSE WE'RE WAY BEYOND THE SCOPE HERE.
>> FROM AN ACCIDENT PERSPECTIVE, PART OF IT IS OBVIOUSLY SPEED, PART OF IT IS THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD, WHICH AGAIN JUST DETERMINED WHETHER WE CAN EVEN WIDEN THE ROAD.
WE ALSO WENT DOWN THAT PATH TO DETERMINE REALLY WHAT CITY EVEN HAS OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO WIDEN THE ROAD.
AS FAR AS THE S-CURVE, I DRIVE THE S-CURVE PROBABLY DAILY.
FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, WHEN IT WAS REPAIRED, PEOPLE WENT FASTER, BECAUSE IT WAS REPAIRED.
NOW, YOU HAVE TO SLOW DOWN BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO, AS YOU DON'T WANT TO HURT YOUR CAR.
IN THAT PERSPECTIVE, WHEN WE FIX THE S-CURVE AND PUT IN SOME MARKERS ALONG THERE, EVERYONE FASTER VISIT.
WELL NOW I CAN TELL EXACTLY WHERE MY LANE IS IN THE CAR AND THE ROADS REALLY NICE SO I CAN GO FASTER ON THIS CURVE.
FIXING IT TO WHAT IT WAS BEFORE ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE THE ACCIDENT PERSPECTIVE.
>> NO. WHAT HAS TO BE DONE? I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S WHERE I RELY ON MR. BIRKHOFF OFTEN AND MR. MICHADO.
>> THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE GATHERED IS, WHAT ADVICE THAT WE'VE GOT AVAILABLE, THAT WE CAN DO ROUGHLY ABOUT 8,000 FEET OF ROAD WITH THE REPAIRS ONLY CAME UP WITH WHICH IS THE GLASS PANE AND RENEWING THE BASE AND S CURVE AND WITH AN S CURVE WOULD BE A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE OF THE FAILURE OF THE BASE THERE IS DRAMATIC.
>> WE HAVE REPAIRED THAT SECTION, REMIXING TWICE.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT CONCRETE AND DRAINAGE AND GATE GAVE A COST TO DO THAT.
AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, IF WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, AGAIN PUT A STRONGER BAND-AID ON IT TO BY 5 TO 8 YEARS.
THAT'S WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EXCAVATING, BRINGING IN SOME BETTER BASE MATERIAL, USING THIS FIBER GLASS MATERIAL IN-BETWEEN
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SOME ASPHALT LAYERS TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING THAT WILL STICK AROUND FOR AWHILE UNTIL A REAL DECISION CAN BE MADE OF A PERMANENT FIX ON THAT WHOLE SECTION OF ROAD, IF THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED.AN OPTION OF WHETHER IT'S CONCRETE, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE WANT TO KEEP THE SAME ROADWAY SECTION HELPS US FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET THE LONGEST ROAD FOR YOU BASED ON DOLLARS YOU HAVE, MOST OF THIS AND I THINK WE'VE TALKED PROBABLY BECOMES MORE OF A BOND TYPE PROGRAM THAT YOU START TO PICK AND CHOOSE ROADS OF THIS QUALITY THAT WE WANT AND THIS IS WHAT THESE THINGS COST.
IN THE MEANTIME, YOU REPAIR WHAT YOU HAVE.
AT THIS TIME, COUNCIL, IF WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO GO ON THIS AT THIS TIME.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE ITEM NUMBER 7.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE ITEM NUMBER 7.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I SECOND THAT.
I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE DONE ON [LAUGHTER] ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? IF NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING ANY ACTION ON ITEM 7, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANYBODY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES 40.
NOW, JUST TO BE MEAN, I DO THAT WELL OUT HERE.
WHAT ARE YOU ALL DO ON TUESDAY? BECAUSE WE COULD DO A CRP MEETING TUESDAY, WE'VE SAID THE SECOND TUESDAY OF THE MONTH IS OUR WORKSHOP.
WE HAVE NOTHING SCHEDULED AS A CITY THAT I KNOW OF FOR THE SECOND TUESDAY, SO WHO COULD BE HERE FOR A CRP MEETING AND AT WHAT TIME?
>> I CAN LOOK IN THE MORNING I HAVE TIME WITH MY LAPTOP.
>> RANDY WOULD YOU BE AVAILABLE ON TUESDAY?
>> I COULD BE AVAILABLE AT ANY POINT.
>> AFTER THE INVESTMENT MEETING OR INVESTMENT TRAINING, I'M AVAILABLE, WHAT ABOUT 3:30, SO I CAN BE HERE BY 4:00?
>> YOU AND ARLINGTON [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> IS THAT THE PF5? THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE] WILL BE FRAUD AND [OVERLAPPING]
[LAUGHTER] IF WE CAN GET THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF WE CAN GET THE GROUP, I CAN TALK STREETS.
>> BUT YOU'LL BE COMING FROM ARLINGTON?
>> GARY, ARE YOU AVAILABLE TUESDAY?
>> I'M HERE TO SERVE YOU WHENEVER.
>> WHAT TIME WOULD WORK FOR THE MAJORITY? [BACKGROUND] IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD ALL BE HERE.
WHILE WE GOT MOMENTUM, LET'S GET GOING.
BECAUSE WE KEEP SAYING, IT NEVER HAPPENED.
THIS WILL JUST BE FOR CRP STEP 1, BECAUSE THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BACK UP AND START MOVE FORWARD AND GET ON THE SAME PAGE.
>> I HAVE A FEELING MR. BIRKHOFF CAN HELP US MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SPREADSHEET AND YOUR SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO LOOK AT IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
>> BUT THE GOOD THING IS THAT THAT INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE ISN'T DEPENDENT ON ANY OF THE BID INFORMATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT'S STILL VALID.
WE CAN GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT THAT'S BEEN COMPILED THAT WE PUT TOGETHER AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE.
I KNOW AT LEAST THREE OF US HERE AND WE'RE INVOLVED IN IT PRETTY HEAVILY, SO IT SHOULD GO PRETTY QUICKLY.
>> WE NEED TO BRING TODD AND AMANDA UP TO SNUFF, WHICH I DON'T THINK I'LL TAKE ALL ABOUT MUCH TIME AND THEN MOVE FORWARD ON THE VARIOUS PARTS AND HOPEFULLY START BEING ABLE TO DO STUFF.
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>> EXACTLY. [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S THE MAIN CHALLENGE IS JUST GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER TO AGREE.
>> THAT HASN'T BEEN A PROBLEM FOR THIS COUNCIL.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO OVERCOME AND MOVE FORWARD AND GET THINGS DONE.
>> I'M NOT GOING TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH THE [INAUDIBLE].
BUT THE REST WE GOT ANOTHER [OVERLAPPING]
>> [INAUDIBLE] PROBABLY FOUR MAYBE FIVE.
>> WELL, IF WE SET THE MEETING FOR 4:00.
[BACKGROUND] NOW WE ARE TO UPDATES.
[ROUTINE ITEMS ]
MR. OLSON, DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON 2551?GARY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THEY DIDN'T CUT HER LINE OR ANYTHING.
THEY HAVEN'T CUT ANYTHING KNOCK ON [INAUDIBLE].
THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON UTILITIES, SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SEPTEMBER EITHER.
>> LIKE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO NOTE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IT WILL BE CONTINUING SENDING MEYER WHO WORK WITH MICHAEL SLAUGHTER AND THE REST OF COUNCIL ON THE COMP PLAN.
CINDY IS WILLING TO CONTINUE WORKING ON IT.
SHE WOULD HOPE THAT SOME OTHER PEOPLE WILL JOIN IN.
SLAUGHTER HAS ALLEGEDLY SENT [OVERLAPPING]
>> [LAUGHTER] HE WAS SUPPOSED SEND ALL OF THIS INFORMATION THAT HE HAD ON HIS COMPUTER OR FLASH DRIVE OVER TO LUKE SO WE ALL HAVE IT.
WE DON'T LOSE WHERE WE ARE AND WE CAN CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD SO WE DON'T LOSE COMP PLAN BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING GOOD HEADWAY.
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.
THE OTHER THING IS THE NEWSLETTER THAT IS STILL ON PAUSE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FIND TIME TO DISCUSS WHAT TO DO AND HOW THEY DO IT IN THE FUTURE.
THE NEWSLETTER IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR THE CITY.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE AN UPDATE ON ANYTHING? THEN WE HAVE ACCEPTANCE OF DONATIONS FOR THE POLICE FUND CITY STAFF FOR THE RECORD.
[DONATION(S)]
MIRIAM [INAUDIBLE] DONATED ONE DOZEN MINI BUNDTINIS FROM THE NOTHING BUNDT CAKES VALUED AT $27 TO THE CITY STAFF.THAT IS, OUR CITIZENS ARE SO WONDERFUL, TO OUR FOLKS, IT IS JUST AWESOME.
NEXT, ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS YOU KNOW OF IT THIS TIME?
[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ]
IF NOT, YOU CAN SEND ME AN EMAIL AND WE WILL PUT IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AND GET TO IT.IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE ARE ADJOURNED IT IS 8:47.
[BACKGROUND]
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.