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>> I HEREBY CALL THE PARKER CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING TO ORDER.
[CALL TO ORDER]
IT IS APRIL 18TH, 2023, AT 06:02 PM.MR. OLSEN, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM?
>> NO MADAM MAYOR, YOU DO NOT.
>> I WILL ASK COUNCIL MEMBER MAR AND COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH IF THEY WISH TO WAIT TO SEE IF THE QUORUM WILL SHOW UP.
ALLEGEDLY, MICHAEL SLAUGHTER IS ON HIS WAY.
IF YOU DO WISH TO WAIT FOR HOW LONG AND IT IS NOT THE WISH TO END THE MEETING NOW MS. MAR.
>> I'D LIKE TO WAIT 30 MINUTES.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S ENOUGH TIME?
>> [OVERLAPPING] WELL I THINK 30 MINUTES IS A REASONABLE AMOUNT TO WAIT.
>> THEN AT THIS TIME, WE WILL RECESS FOR AT LEAST 30 MINUTES OR UNTIL WE HAVE A QUORUM.
AT THIS TIME, MR. SLAUGHTER HAS ARRIVED. MR. OLSEN, I WILL AGAIN ASK YOU, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM?
>> YES, MADAM MAYOR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM NOW.
AT THIS TIME WE WILL RECESS TO CLOSE
[EXECUTIVE SESSION START TO FINISH]
EXECUTIVE SESSION AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED IN GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.074 PERSONNEL TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE, OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE.GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.0711, CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY CONCERNING PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION.
GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.0712, CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY ON A MANNER IN WHICH THE DUTY OF THE ATTORNEY TO THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY, UNDER THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT OF THE STATE BAR OF TEXAS, CLEARLY CONFLICTS WITH THIS CHAPTER; OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
AT THIS TIME WE ARE IN RECESS.
[NOISE] THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF THE CITY OF PARKER ON OCTOBER 18TH, 2023, IS BACK FROM THEIR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY ACTION TO BE TAKEN OR ANY DELIBERATION FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION?
WE WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 3 FROM THE INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATIONS AND FOR STAFF TO ACT ON THE DIRECTION GIVEN.
>> ANYONE HAVE ANY FURTHER INFORMATION? DOES THAT NEED TO BE IN MOTION?
>> MICHAEL, CAN YOU RESTATE THAT AGAIN? I'M SORRY I'M TRYING TO DO PATTY'S JOBS AND I DO PULL ITEM 3.
>> TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 3 AND FOR STAFF TO FOLLOW THE DIRECTION GIVEN.
MICHAEL, WOULD YOU DO THE AMERICAN PLEDGE, AND CINDY, WOULD YOU DO THE TEXAS PLEDGE?
ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS?
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
NOT SEEING.PRESTON, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US?
>> [LAUGHTER] I CAN TALK IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK.
[LAUGHTER] SURE YOU GIVE ME A QUORUM.
I WILL TELL YOU ONE THING THAT IS EXCITING.
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PRESS FIRST OF ALL 4040 NORTH CENTRAL.>> WE'VE DONE. CAN YOU PLEASE FILL A FORM NOW, PLEASE?
>> SURE. 4040 NORTH CENTRAL DALLAS, TEXAS.
IT IS EXCITING BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MONUMENT TONIGHT.
I DID SEE THIS WAS A NERVOUS EXPERIMENT FOR US.
WE PLANTED A PECAN ORCHARD OVER AT WHITESTONE AND PLANTED 144 PECAN TREES AND WILDFLOWERS DOWN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY WERE BARE-ROOT PECAN TREES AND WE HAVE NEVER ORDERED BARE-ROOT PECAN COUNTRIES BEFORE.
SO I DROVE BY YESTERDAY AND THEY'VE ALL LEAFED OUT.
I HAD A MOMENT OF THANKS, OH, YES, THEY'RE ALIVE.
[LAUGHTER] THEY'RE THERE AND THEY WILL START GROWING AND SO IN 20 YEARS THAT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY NEAT LEGACY THAT STEVE WORKED WITH THE COUNCIL ON WHEN HE ZONED THAT PROPERTY TO PUT IN AN ORCHARD THERE AND YOU'LL SEE THIS BIG PECAN ORCHARD AS YOU COME DOWN TO 2551.
IT'LL BE A REALLY NEAT ENTRY TO WHITESTONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF COMMUNITY INTEREST.
[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]
THE ADAM THAT WE HAVE IS THE GREAT AMERICAN CLEAN UP, WHICH WILL BE IN THE PRESERVE ON APRIL 22ND FROM 9:00-11:00.PART OF THAT WILL BE ON CLEANING UP THE PRESERVE.
THE OTHER PART WILL BE WEEDING AND MAINTAINING THE WILDFLOWER GARDEN.
ON THE SAME DAY, WE WILL HAVE THE NATIONAL PRESCRIPTION DRUG TAKE BACK AT THE POLICE STATION.
JUST DRIVE THROUGH AND DROP YOUR UNUSED DRUGS OFF.
OF COURSE, JUST AS A REMINDER, EARLY VOTING STARTS MONDAY THE 24TH AND THE ACTUAL ELECTION DAY IS MAY 6TH.
PARKS AND RECS HAS A COMMISSION MEETING ON MAY 10TH, 2023 AT 05:00 PM.
I WILL SAY THIS, PARKS AND RECS IS NOW LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS TO BE A PART OF THE PARKER FAST SUBCOMMITTEE TO HELP PLAN AND EXECUTE PARKER FEST, WHICH IS ON THE LAST SUNDAY IN OCTOBER.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I WAS JUST GOING TO LET YOU KNOW I HAPPEN TO GET A NOTICE FROM TWO RESIDENTS THAT I SAW POP UP ON MY WATCH THAT OUR LIVE STREAM WENT DEAD SAYING WE HAD NO QUORUM AND THERE'S NO MEETING TONIGHT.
SO JUST FOR THE NOTE OF THE RECORD, THERE IS NO LIVE STREAM GOING.
>> WE WILL GO TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK.
>> THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW THAT, MICHAEL.
>> IT STARTED FOR ONE MINUTE AND THEN IT CAME UP WITH THE SCREEN NO QUORUM PRESENT AND THEN IT GOES DEAD AND THEN SAYS THERE'S NO MEETING CURRENTLY OCCURRING.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THERE'S NO MEETING IN PROGRESS.
>> OKAY. IT WAS NICE TO KNOW PEOPLE ARE WATCHING.
>> THIS COUNCIL IS TAKING A SHORT RECESS AND WILL RESUME MOMENTARILY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THINK WHAT YOU CALL ABOUT IT.
>> Y'ALL MEAN IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT NAME IS CANCELED, IT SAYS SO.
>> NO, THE ONE THAT IS GRAY, NO MEETING IN PROGRESS IS WHAT IT SAYS.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THERE, FACING SOMETHING THAT [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND]
NOW THAT WE HAS MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
IS THERE A SECOND?>> MADAM MAYOR, I SECOND THAT.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.I WILL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT JIM RID AND DIANA ABRAHAM ARE NOT HERE WITH US THIS EVENING.
NEXT WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 4,
[4. CONSIDER A VARIANCE FOR WHITESTONE ESTATES MONUMENT SIGN.]
CONSIDERATION OF A VARIANCE FOR WHITESTONE ESTATES MONUMENTS SIDE.PRESTON, I THINK THAT HAS YOUR NAME ON IT.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY WHAT YOU ALREADY SAID [LAUGHTER]
>> GOOD EVENING. PRESTON HOWARD 4040 NORTH CENTRAL DALLAS, TEXAS.
THE WHITESTONE ESTATES MONUMENT SIGN IS LARGER THAN IS PERMITTED BY THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
PER THE SIGN ORDINANCE, THE COUNCIL IS THE SIGN REVIEW BOARD.
WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST A VARIANCE TO INSTALL A MONUMENT SIDE AT THE BELVEDERE IN 2551 ENTRY SO THAT DELAHAYE FUTURE 2551.
THE MONUMENT'S INCLUDED IN THE PACKET, AND IT'S GOING TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME SETUP AND STYLE AS THE MONUMENT THAT'S ON PARKER ROAD AT WHITESTONE DRIVE.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE LARGER TO HANDLE THE MASSING OF THE ROADWAY.
IT SAT BACK AND THEN ELEVATED SO THAT THE SIGN CAN BE SEEN OVER THE FUTURE TAX DOT IMPROVEMENTS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY DRAINAGE ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.
>> IS THIS SIGN GOING TO BE LIT?
IT'S BACKLIT THROUGH THE CHANNEL LETTERS.
THE LETTERS ARE INDIVIDUALLY PEN MOUNTED AND THEN THERE ARE LED LIGHTS INSIDE THE LETTERS THAT SHINE BACK ON THE SIGN.
THERE'S NO LIGHT SHINING OUT TOWARD MOTORISTS OR PEDESTRIANS.
>> GARY, DOES THAT FIT OUR ORDINANCE WITH LIGHTED SIGNS?
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM WITH THE LIGHTING ON THE SIDE.
THE ONLY PROBLEM I SAW WAS THE SIZE.
>> MADAM MAYOR, IF I CAN. HOW MUCH LARGER WILL THIS SIGN BE THAN THE OTHER ONE?
>> I THINK THE OTHER ONE IS 12 FEET IN HEIGHT AND THIS ONE IS 18 FEET IN HEIGHT, SO IT'S ANOTHER 50% OF HEIGHT.
THE ROADWAY SECTION IS ALSO MUCH LARGER THAN THE ONE THAT'S ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE AT PARKER ROAD AND WHITESTONE DRIVE.
WE RELY ON THE EXPERTISE OF LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS TO COME UP WITH THESE.
SCC PLANNING IS THAT FIRM THAT'S BASED IN AUSTIN AND THEY DO MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE STATE, SO THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD JUDGE OF MASSING FOR SPECIFIC AREAS.
AS THIS IS GOING TO BE ON A MAJOR TEXTILE ROAD, FM 2551, THEY RECOMMENDED A LARGER CENTER MONUMENT SIGN AND THEN ALSO THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL COLUMNS THAT FOLLOWED DOWN TO CREATE THE ENTRY ELEMENT ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE ENTRY.
>> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE OF THE SIZE THOUGH, THE LENGTH OF THE SIGN ISN'T TO ME A PROBLEM, IT'S JUST THAT HEIGHT AND I KNOW THAT'S JUST A ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL.
BUT 18 FEET SEEMS PRETTY HIGH.
IS THERE A REASON WHY THEY HAD TO MAKE THAT SO THAT ONE PORTION OF IT STICK UP SO HIGH RATHER THAN 12 FEET?
>> I BELIEVE IT'S TO KEEP THE SCALE OF THE SIGN CONSISTENT RATHER THAN HAVING A STUBBY END AND THEN A BLADE ALL THE WAY DOWN. WE DID.
IT'S THE SAME SIGN AS WHAT'S AT PARKER ROAD AND WHITESTONE, THEY JUST SCALED IT UP.
THIS IS SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN WHAT IS AT THE PARK AS WELL.
THE WHITESTONE PARK WHICH IS AT BELVEDERE AT WHITESTONE IS THE SAME SIZE BLADE SIGN THAT IS AT WHITESTONE DRIVE AND PARKER ROAD.
>> DOES IT INTERFERE WITH TRAFFIC AT ALL?
>> IT DOES NOT. IT'S PULLED BACK BEHIND THE 25 FOOT VIEW CORNER AND THEN ACTUALLY RECESS EVEN FARTHER INTO THE PROPERTY BECAUSE WE'RE LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF IT AS WELL.
THERE'LL BE LANDSCAPING AND FRAUD TO THEM AND A SERIES OF LARGE OAK TREES THAT ARE PLANTED BEHIND IT.
>> THE PECAN TREES ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THOSE LOOK GREAT, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THEM.
[LAUGHTER] BUT THE OAK TREES THAT ARE GOING IN HERE ARE LARGE, THEY ARE SIX OR EIGHT INCH CALIPER TREE, SO THERE'LL BE 20 FEET TALL WHEN THEY'RE INSTALLED.
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>> NOT TO PUT YOU THROUGH THE RINGER ON THIS, BUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO PREVENT THIS FROM BEING SUCH A LARGE LIT BILLBOARD, WHICH I KNOW THERE IS THE IDEA OBVIOUSLY, IS FOR PEOPLE TO SEE IT ON A ROADWAY THAT'S RELATIVELY DARK IF IT'S BACKLIT AND IT'S LITERALLY 18 FEET TALL, WHICH I AGREE IS A MONSTROUS SIGN.
>> WELL, THE LIGHTING IS ACTUALLY ON THE BLADE IN THE BLADE ALONE.
I'M HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING THE PACKET, I BELIEVE IT'S PAGE 85.
YOU CAN SEE THE LETTERS OF WHITESTONE, AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY ELEMENTS THAT ARE ILLUMINATED.
THE ILLUMINATED ELEMENTS DON'T EXCEED 7.5 FEET.
THE OTHER PIECE IS JUST FOR BALANCE.
>> WHICH PORTION OF THE SIGN? BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE HAVING TO ADDRESS WHAT TEXTS DOTS FUTURE EXPANSION ISN'T THE HEIGHT OF THE ROAD.
WHICH PORTION OF THE SIGN WILL BE VISIBLE FROM DELAHAYE, 2551 IN THE FUTURE? WELL, ARE YOU RAISING IT SO THE ENTIRE SIGN IS VISIBLE?
>> THE ENTIRE SIGN IS VISIBLE.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY. WILL THIS SIGN BE ELEVATED IN ADDITION TO BEING 18 FEET TALL.
>> NO THE SIGN WILL BE AT GRADE, SO THE SIGN WILL BE AT FINISHED GRADE OF THE ROADWAY SIMILAR TO PARKER ROAD AND WHITESTONE DRIVE.
>> THE 18 FOOT PORTION OF THE SIGN, IS THAT THE END OF THE SIGN THAT'S FACING DELAHAYE OR IS THAT FACING INTO THE SUBDIVISION?
IT'S SET ON A 45-DEGREE ANGLE.
IF YOU'RE STANDING ON 2551 AND LOOKING DIRECTLY DUE WEST, IT'S GOING TO BE ON A 45-DEGREE ANGLE LIKE THE PODIUM IS TO ME.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE BLADE SIGN OF WHITESTONE, WHETHER YOU'RE COMING SOUTH DOWN 2551, OR WHETHER YOU'RE COMING NORTH THROUGH, IS IT SOUTH RIDGE, ONCE THE COMMUNITY DIRECTLY TO THE EAST WHERE THE 2551 ALIGNMENT COMES THROUGH.
>> THE RESERVE. [BACKGROUND] [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE RESERVE AT SOUTH RIDGE.
IT'S ORIENTED SO THAT AS YOU COME THROUGH THAT CURVE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE SIGN ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE AS WELL.
>> BUT THE QUESTION IS, THE 18 FOOT PORTION OF THE SIGN, BECAUSE THE REST OF THE SIGN IS ONLY 19 OR LESS THAN 9 [NOISE]
>> SEVEN-AND-A-HALF, I BELIEVE ON THIS SECTION, LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND OUT.
>> THE TOP PORTION OF THE SIGN, IS THAT THE END OF THE SIGN THAT'S CLOSEST TO 2551 OR IS THAT-?
>> IT IS CLOSEST TO 2551, YES.
I'M SORRY, I DID NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
>> THE LARGE COLUMN IS RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE PIECE, AND THE BLADE IS FACING NORTHWEST.
>> TO A POINT NORTHWEST FACING DELRAY?
>> CORRECT SO THE PART OF THE ASSIGNMENTS ELIMINATED IS THE LOWER PORTION, IT'S RIGHT HERE ALONG THE BLADE, BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE COMING UP 2551 OR COMING SOUTH DOWN 2551.
>> IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT, IT'S ROUGHLY 35 FEET LONG AND 18 FEET TALL.
HOW DOES THE LENGTH COMPARE TO YOUR OTHER SIGN?
>> I BELIEVE IT'S ALL TO SCALE, SO IT'D BE 50 PERCENT LONGER THAN THE OTHER SIGN.
BUT AGAIN, THIS WILL BECOME THE PRIMARY ENTRY TO THE SUBDIVISION SO THIS IS INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED TO BE MORE PREDOMINANT THAN THE OTHER ENTRY AS YOU'RE COMING ON A MUCH, MUCH LARGER ROADWAY THAT YOU HAVE, THE FIELD TO THE NORTH, THAT WILL BE ALL PECAN ORCHARD.
YOU HAVE THE FIELD OF THE SOUTH THAT HAS THIS SPLIT RAIL FENCING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED ALL THE WAY AROUND IT AND WILL REMAIN IN AGRICULTURAL USE, SO THE IDEA IS TO HAVE A FEELING AS YOU COME IN OF HERE'S AN ESTABLISHMENT BUT ALSO YOU'RE STILL IN PARKER.
WE HAVE FARMER WHO'S AGREED TO KEEP COWS OUT THERE AND WE'LL HAVE AN ONGOING PECAN TREE OPERATION.
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>> I THINK IT'LL LOOK NICE TOO.
IT'S GOING TO GIVE A GREAT IMPRESSION OF PARKER AS YOU COME DOWN 2551.
>> GREAT, THAT'S WHERE THE WIND HITS THAT PASTURE AS IT GOES [LAUGHTER] NORTH AND EAST AND WEST THAT PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO PARTICULARLY LOVE IT BUT.
>> THE WIND IS OUT OF THE SOUTH MOST OF THE YEAR, [LAUGHTER] FINGERS CROSSED.
NOT AN ASIDE, BUT HAVE YOU SEEN THE FOUNTAINS THAT ARE OUT THERE?
>> THEY'RE BROKEN TWO DAYS AGO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NOTICED, BUT IT WAS.
>> I'M SURPRISED IT HAD CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS CLOGGED IN THE INTAKE.
>> THE ENTRANCE IS GOOD, MY CONCERN IS THIS IS FAIRLY OVERWHELMING AS FAR AS A SIGN GOES.
WE HAVE A 35 SQUARE FOOT ORDINANCE AND YOUR 35 FEET LONG ALL BY ITSELF.
MY QUESTION IS GOING TO COME IF I MAY ASK THE CHIEF A QUESTION.
DO YOU SEE ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES AS FAR AS THAT GOES HAVING AN ELITE SIGN THERE ON THE CORNER, ANY TYPE OF DISTRACTION FOR THE DRIVERS?
>> NO, THE ONE ON PARKER RD [NOISE].
>> EVEN THOUGH THAT'S A DARKER STRETCH OF ROADWAY, YOU'RE NOT CONCERNED?
>> THERE ARE SOME LINE RIGHT THERE FROM [INAUDIBLE].
>> I THINK EVENTUALLY THERE MIGHT BE A STOPLIGHT CLOSE TO THAT AREA RIGHT THERE ONCE CURTIS AND EVERYTHING GETS REALIGNED.
>> THERE'S ALREADY A LINE THERE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I WOULD ACCEPT THE MOTION.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE VARIANCE FOR WHITESTONE, THE STATES MONUMENT SIGN.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I'LL SECOND THAT.
>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT A VARIANCE FOR A WHITESTONE, THE STATES MONUMENT SIGN.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'M NOT HEARING ANY, I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE NOT.
THE MOTION FOR VARIANCE PASSES THREE TO ZERO.
>> THANK YOU. WE THINK YOU'LL BE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT ONCE IT'S DONE.
WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE IT COME TOGETHER AND THAT ENTRY REALLY BE POLISHED UP WITH THE ROADWAY COMING IN. THANK YOU.
>> JUST FOR COUNSEL KNOWS, THE MEETING IS BEING LIVE STREAMED AGAIN.
THEY HAD A LOT OF ISSUE ON THERE AND APPARENTLY.
[5. UPDATE(S):]
WE HAVE OUR UPDATES MR. OLSEN, DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON 2551.>> 2551 WAS BID OUT TWO WEEKS AGO AND AWARDED TO?
>> I FORGET THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR, BUT IT'S ALREADY BEEN AWARDED.
>> IT'S ALREADY BEEN AWARDED WE HAD A MEETING THIS MORNING WITH TXDOT.
>> A CONFERENCE CALL WITH TXDOT THIS MORNING AND APPARENTLY IT APPEARS THAT CONTRACT DIRECTORY IS STARTING OFF.
I THINK GRAYSON-COLLIN ELECTRIC HAD SOME STUFF THEY NEEDED TO WORK ON AND THERE'S A GAS I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME WORK TO BE DONE ON THAT.
>> WE'VE GOT CONTRACTORS LINED UP TO START PHONING INTERNET THROUGH THERE, MOVING THOSE OFF THE POLE.
THEY HAVEN'T STARTED YET, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE START IT WEEKS AGO.
>> OUR CONCERN IS THAT OUR STAFFS ARE GOING TO GET HIT AT SOME POINT.
WE'RE PRETTY SURE, [OVERLAPPING] SO WE HAVE WATER LINES EVERYWHERE OVER IN THAT AREA, SO WE'VE GOT STAFF HAS PREPARED.
>> YES, BUT WE'RE PREPARED TO GET THINGS FIXED IF NEED BE.
>> IS THERE A TIMELINE IN THAT PROPOSED CONTRACT?
>> I HAVEN'T SEEN THE CONTRACT.
>> I'M SURE THEY PROBABLY HAVE A TIMELINE, BUT THEY CALL FOR LOCATES AND THE LOCATES HAVE ALREADY EXPIRED NOW SO THEREAFTER CALL FOR LOCATES AGAIN WHEN THEY COME BACK TO START IT NOW BECAUSE THEY WAITED A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO START.
>> CHIEF, HAS THERE BEEN ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES GOING ON DELRAY OR IN THE CONSTRUCTION AREA.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING LOTS, BUT AS OF NOW, NO.
>> ALL YOUR QUARTERLY REPORTS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE REPORT?
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IF NOT, WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM 6,[6. ACCEPTANCE OF DONATION(S) FOR POLICE, FIRE, AND CITY STAFF FOR THE RECORD (Each valued at between $0 - $500)]
WHICH IS ACCEPTING OF DONATIONS FOR THE POLICE, FIRE, AND CITY STAFF FOR THE RECORD, RANCH VIEW ESTATES, NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS DONATED SNACKS VALUED AT $35 TO THE PARKER POLICE DEPARTMENT.AT THIS TIME, ARE THERE ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS TO BE NOTED? IF NOT, YOU CAN OF COURSE, EMAIL ME ANYTIME WITH A REQUEST FOR A FUTURE AGENDA AND AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO TO AUTOMATE THE COMP PLAN WORKSHOP.
[8. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN]
>> MAYOR COUNCIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, I WAS ASKED TO PUT A COMMERCIAL OVERVIEW.
I'M DOING A REALLY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THIS, THAT WAY WE CAN JUST GET SOME BASIC IDEAS.
ZONING COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT NEEDS TO LESSEN THE CONGESTION OF STREETS, SECURITY, SAFETY.
SO THESE ALL THINGS THAT HAVE TO GO INTO ZONING WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS ON, WHY WE'RE RE-DOING THAT DELAY A FUTURE LAND USE AND ALL THAT.
ZONING REGULATIONS IN GENERAL, THIS GETS DOWN NOW TO COMMERCIAL.
THE MAIN ONE HERE IS THE HEIGHT, NUMBER OF STOREYS, SIZE OF BUILDINGS AND OTHER STRUCTURES, PERCENTAGE OF THE LOT THAT CAN BE USED.
YOU CAN ALSO LIKE A FIRESTONE OR SOMETHING DOWN THAT LINE, YOU CAN REQUIRE THAT THE BUILDING, THE BASE FACE AWAY FROM THE MAIN ROADS SO IT DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOOK OF A BASE ON YOUR MAIN COMMERCIAL AVENUE.
THOSE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO WITHIN THAT AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO DO LOCATION AND USE OF THE BUILDINGS SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE, STUFF LIKE THAT.
YOU CAN INTERRUPT ME ANYTIME YOU WANT.
I'M JUST DOING A REAL HIGH LEVEL.
>> WILL YOU SEND EACH MEMBER OF COUNCIL AND MYSELF A COPY?
>> I WILL SEND A COPY OUT AFTER THIS, YES MA'AM.
>> YOU WOULD MAKE IT A LOT. [LAUGHTER]
>> I JUST WENT THROUGH AND PULLED SOME OF THE STATUTES, PUT THAT IN THERE SO YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF WHAT SOME OF THE REGULATIONS ARE.
POTENTIAL ACREAGE, I PULLED UP THE CAD MAP, STARTED GOING THROUGH IT.
WE HAVE POTENTIALLY 180 ACRES THAT COULD BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL.
THIS WOULD BE LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF HOPE, EXTENSION TO DELRAY RD AT PARKER RD, THAT LITTLE FOUR CORNERS AREA THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE HIGHEST BEST TO USE FOR THAT AREA SO YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT FUTURE WHOLE EXTENSION RIGHT HERE SO THIS PROPERTY WITHIN THESE AREAS RIGHT HERE WOULD BE COMMERCIAL.
YOU GOT ALAMO RIGHT THERE SO ANYTHING FROM ALAMO OVER TO BASICALLY VICTORY CHURCH AND DOWN THE FUTURE CORRIDOR RIGHT HERE YOU POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE COMMERCIAL.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST LOCATION ONCE YOU START GETTING CLOSER TO WHAT WILL BE THE OLD SECTION OF DELRAY THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF FLOODWAY AND FLOODPLAIN THROUGH THERE SO IT WOULD MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP AND VERY COSTLY TO DEVELOP AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BE WORTH THE FINANCIAL INVESTMENT.
I DON THINK BUSINESSES WOULD TAKE THAT FINANCIAL INVESTMENT FOR THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO GET TO JUST THE BASICS.
I NARROWED IT DOWN TO THREE, THIS IS WHAT I CALL THEM.
WE HAVE A CONVERSATION OF HOW WE WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH IT.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR TYPICAL STRIP CENTER COMMERCIAL, YOUR NAIL SALONS, YOUR DOUGHNUT SHOPS, YOUR DENTIST, SMALL GYM, HAIR SALON, COFFEE SHOP.
THEN YOU'LL GET INTO THE LARGER STRIP CENTERS, WHICH WILL ALSO HAVE A BIG BOX ANCHOR TENANT, OR LIKE A BEST BUY OR A TJ MAXX OR SOMETHING DOWN THAT LINE.
HERE'S A SMALL COMMERCIAL STRIP CENTER, NOT MUCH TO IT.
THEN THIS WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A LARGE STRIP CENTER.
WE'VE GOT THE BIG BOX STORES, EVERYTHING ALL LINED UP ALONG THE ROW.
THEN YOU'LL GET INTO YOUR LIFESTYLE COMMERCIAL.
YOUR OPEN SPACES, GATHERING SPOTS, RETAIL, DOWNTOWN FIELD VERY SIMILAR OLD TOWN SQUARES.
I THINK MCKINNEY HAS GOT THE SQUARE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I HAD FOUND SOME JUST DESIGN OPTIONS.
YOU CAN LOOK AT MIXED USE FOR THAT WHERE YOU COULD HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE IDEAL SETUP FOR THAT DUE TO SEWER CONNECTIONS, TO HAVE THAT RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT FOR MULTI-USE IN THAT AREA.
YOU'LL HAVE LIKE MORE OPEN SPACES, MORE GREEN SPOTS WHERE KIDS CAN GO OUT AND PLAY, PARENTS CAN EAT, HAVE DRINKS, WHATEVER.
GOING DOWN THAT LINE. HERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
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MORE OPEN SPACE, A SQUARE FIELD.YOU'VE GOT YOUR COMMERCIAL LINED UP AROUND IT.
DIFFERENT SETUP THERE. THAT'S WHAT I CALL THE LIFESTYLE COMMERCIAL.
THEN YOU GET INTO THE THEME DESIGN COMMERCIAL, WHERE THAT WOULD BE, TRY OUT WESTLAKE, ADRIATIC VILLAGE IN MCKINNEY, FLOWER MOUND RIVER WALK.
YOU HAVE A THEME BEHIND ALL THOSE.
THIS IS THE ENTRADA AT WESTLAKE.
IT'S MORE OF A TUSCAN THEME IS WHAT THEY'RE GOING FOR ONCE THEY START GETTING IT GOING.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING FOR.
THEN THIS WAS THE FLOWER MOUND RIVER WALK, SETUP COMMERCIAL ALONG THE RIVER WALK, HAVING ANOTHER OPTION WITH IT.
IT GOES TO THE LIFESTYLE A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S MORE THEMED.
YOU GOT YOUR TASK AND I THINK SOMEBODY WILL HAVE SOME COBBLESTONE WALKWAYS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THOSE ARE JUST THE BASICS THAT I THOUGHT WE COULD COVER.
I KNOW WE CAN DEEP DIVE FURTHER INTO WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE LOOKING AT. IF WE ARE.
THE ONLY THING WE CAN'T REGULATE HOW TO DOUBLE-CHECK THIS WAS WE CAN'T REGULATE BUILDING MATERIALS.
YOU CAN DO A TYPE A EDC, A TYPE B EDC.
YOU CAN HAVE MDD AND YOU COULD DO A CHAPTER 380.
TYPE A, YOU CAN USE FOR MANUFACTURING INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES, RESEARCH CENTERS, AND ANYTHING ELSE? YOU CAN ALSO DO ANY OF THE PROJECTS INTENDED IN TYPE B EDCS.
LET'S SAY THE ROADWAY DOES PASS THIS NEXT ELECTION.
WE WOULD NOT HAVE A ANY PERCENTAGE AVAILABLE FOR OUR SALES TAX TO START A TYPE A EDC, OR TYPE B OR MDD.
THEN WE'D HAVE TO GO DOWN TO A CHAPTER 380 AGREEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'LL GET TO THAT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.
>> MAY I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION.
WHEN YOU MENTIONED SALES TAX AND WHEN I WAS READING ABOUT THIS EARLIER.
IS THIS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE 7.25? SAY OUR SALES TAX GOES UP 1%.
>> WE WON'T BE ABLE TO TAKE ANYMORE.
WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO A TYPE A, TYPE B, OR AN MDD BECAUSE THERE'S NO PERCENTAGE AVAILABLE FOR US.
WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GO ABOVE THAT PERCENTAGE.
WHAT DO WE HAVE IN OUR POINT, GRAHAM WAS IT A QUARTER?
WE HAD TYPE A, TYPE B, AND MDD AND A POINT.
TYPE B, YOU CAN PAY FOR LAND, BUILDINGS, EQUIPMENT FACILITIES, TARGETED INFRASTRUCTURE AND IMPROVEMENTS FOR TOURISM, ENTERTAINMENT FACILITIES, CONVENTIONS FACILITIES, PUBLIC PARKS, LAKES STORE OR RESTAURANT CONCESSION PARKING AND TRANSPORTATION.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET PROFESSIONAL AMATEUR SPORTS TEAM IN PARKER.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET THAT, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO WITHIN THAT TYPE B.
YOU CAN DO OTHER THINGS SUCH AS PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY RECYCLING, STREET AND ROAD DRAINAGE RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
LET'S SAY, I WANT TO USE A BAD EXAMPLE HERE.
A ROAD NEEDS TO BE WIDENED OR SOMETHING TO GET MORE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF A COMMERCIAL AREA.
YOU CAN USE THOSE FUNDS TO DO THAT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE WITHIN THAT.
THEN YOU GET THE MDD THAT'S UNDER CHAPTER 377 OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
THIS WILL INCLUDE THE ETJ ALSO.
BASICALLY, I BELIEVE YOU CAN DO ALL OF TYPE A AND TYPE B BUT IT WOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED IN THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION SO YOU GET THE SALES TAX FROM THOSE AREAS.
WHEN COUNCIL GETS THIS PRESENTATION, I DID PUT A LINK IN HERE TO CHAPTER 377, SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT CODE.
THIS IS HOW SOME OF THE LARGER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPS HAVE HAPPENED.
NEBRASKA FURNITURE MART, STUFF DOWN THAT LINE.
THEY DO CHAPTER 380 AGREEMENTS WHERE THEY'LL WORK OUT A PLAN OF SOME SORT WITH RESPECT TO REBATES.
IT COULD BE SALES TAX REBATE, IT COULD BE PROPERTY TAX REBATES, STUFF DOWN THAT LINE.
THE CITY CAN WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER ON TYPES OF BUILDINGS WE WANT AND TYPE OF COMMERCIAL WE WOULD WANT,
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AND THE OTHER MATERIALS.YOU CAN GO INTO THOSE ITEMS WITHIN THAT.
I THINK THE NEWEST ONE I'VE SEEN GOING IN IS OVER AT CORINTH.
THEY'RE HAVE A CHAPTER 380 AGREEMENT TO DO WHAT ONE OF THOSE THEMED LOOKS FOR THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA.
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW FAR WE WANTED TO GO IN DEPTH ON THIS TONIGHT.
>> WHAT ARE THE THINGS? I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE IT IS.
IT'S AN E WHATEVER WHERE THE CITY CAN BUY THE LAND, AND THEN WE CAN LEASE IT TO WHATEVER WHICH TO ME GIVES US MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT THE COMMERCIAL WOULD BE BECAUSE WE WOULD DECIDE, ARE WE GOING TO LEASE IT TO A BIG-BOX STORE?
>> THAT WOULD BE UNDER THE TYPE B EDC CORPORATION.
YOU MAY PAY FOR LAND, BUILDINGS, EQUIPMENT, FACILITIES, TARGETED INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FOR TOURISM, ENTERTAINMENT RELATED STORES, RESTAURANTS, CONCESSION.
YOU COULD USE THOSE FUNDS FOR THAT AND ALSO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER.
YOU'VE PROBABLY ALSO WANT TO DO A CHAPTER 380 AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
THAT WAY YOU DO HAVE SOME WORK WITH THEM ON SOME THINGS.
>> YOU STARTED OFF YOUR PRESENTATION SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THE FACADE.
>> BUT IN ONE OF THIS LAST ONE THAT YOU SHOWED A CITY WOULD HAVE CONTROL IF THEY DECIDED TO GO THAT WAY.
>> IF YOU WANT TO DO CHAPTER 380 AGREEMENT, YOU CAN GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE STATUTE.
THAT'S AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN YOU AND THAT DEVELOPER.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
>> I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE THINGS.
YOU HAVE TO EXCUSE ME FOR ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE THIS, BUT CAN THE CITY OWN THE PROPERTY AND STILL UTILIZE THIS CHAPTER 380 AGREEMENT?
>> I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
BUT I BELIEVE A LOT OF IT IS YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER, YOU'RE REBATING THEM. HOW DO I PUT THAT?
>> I BELIEVE IT'S POSSIBLE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE'S INSTANCES WHERE THE CITY ACTUALLY OWNS THE PROPERTY AND A BUILDING AND ALSO.
>> HAS LIKE A 100-YEAR LEASE ON IT OR SOMETHING.
YES, THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE THEN I GUESS YES.
>> BECAUSE I THINK THE CONCERN THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD HAVE IS WOULD WE OPEN THE DOOR TO ANYTHING AND ANYBODY COMING IN HERE AND DOING SOME THINGS OR BUILDING THINGS THAT WE DON'T CARE TO HAVE IN PARKER.
>> WELL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE IT'S IN OUR ETJ, A LOT OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED.
WE'VE GOT VERY LITTLE SAY OTHER THAN PLOTTING CAPABILITIES.
THAT DOES PUT US AT A VERY BIG DISADVANTAGE ON THIS.
>> THE GENERAL CONCERN I THINK WOULD BE A LOT OF THE BIGGER BOX STORES AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A BLACK AND GRAY WATER DISPOSAL ISSUE FOR THE MOST PART.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A SEWER AVAILABLE, SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CREATE THEIR OWN MINI PLANTS OR SEPTIC AND MOST OF THEM CAN'T.
THERE'S NO WAY TO GET THAT FOR THE SIZE AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, TO MAKE IT COST-EFFECTIVE.
BUT LOOKING AT IT, THE THREE AT AGREEMENT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE'RE GIVING MONEY TO SOMEBODY TO ENTICE THEM TO COME IN.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY THE SPIRIT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
IT WAS MORE IN MY OPINION OF PLANNING FOR THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE ETJ.
I MEAN YES, THE 380 WOULD GIVE THEM SOME INCENTIVE TO WORK WITH US.
IF I REMEMBER RIGHT READING ON THE MDDS AND I'VE DEALT WITH A LOT OF THEM, BUT TO ESTABLISH IT, WE MUST HAVE A VOTE INCLUDING THE ETJ THAT HAS A VOTE INTO IT.
AN ETJ RESIDENTS AND CITY HAVE TO COOPERATE.
>> CORRECT. TYPE A, TYPE B, AND MDD HAVE TO HAVE AN ELECTION.
TYPE A AND B IS RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.
MDD IS ALSO WOULD INCLUDE THE ETJ RESIDENTS.
>> YOU'D HAVE TO INCLUDE THEM ON THOSE TWO.
SORRY. I DIDN'T CLARIFY THAT. I APOLOGIZE ON THAT.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO GIVE A BASIC, 5,000 FOOT VIEW OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMERCIAL.
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT YOU LIKE, LET ME KNOW.
I KNOW MICHAEL SENT ME A COUPLE OF THINGS TODAY.
THAT I COULD GO LOOK AND SEE HOW THOSE ORDINANCES ARE WRITTEN.
A LOT OF THEM ARE DONE THROUGH PDES.
WE DO HAVE IT AVAILABLE TO DO A PDE FOR SOME OF THOSE COMMERCIAL, SO YOU CAN'T DO SOME OF THAT TOO.
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>> I HAVE SEEN CITIES THAT WILL DO WHAT THE MAYOR HAD MENTIONED ABOUT PURCHASING LAND AND BECOMING THE LANDLORD.
OBVIOUSLY, AS SOMEBODY WHO DOES PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, I HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE CITY BEING A LANDLORD BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE STAFF TO MANAGE THAT.
IT WOULD GIVE US SOME CONTROL, BUT IT WOULD BE QUITE A BIT OF A FINANCIAL CAPITAL INJECTION TO HAVE TO PURCHASE.
MOST OF WHAT I SENT LUKE, WERE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TYPE REGULATIONS AND WHAT CITIES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT BOTH LUCAS AND AGAIN, I TOOK A COUPLE OF THE ONES THAT WERE OUT HERE.
IT WAS LUCAS, FARMERS VILLE, AND DENNISON THAT I SENT HIM THEIR CODES BECAUSE I DROVE THROUGH DIFFERENT CITIES THAT STARTED OUT OUR SIZE AND HAD AREAS OF ZONING WITHIN RESIDENTIAL AREAS BECAUSE I FELT LIKE THAT WAS THE MOST COMPARABLE WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT.
THERE'S NO OTHER CITIES OUT THERE QUITE LIKE PARKER.
WE'RE UNIQUE SO WHAT I TRIED TO DO IS BREAK IT DOWN TO GO, WELL, WHO HAS COMMERCIAL WITHIN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND HOW DID THEY ZONE THAT? I WENT AND FOUND SOME OF THE CITIES THAT DID WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE A SMALL COMMERCIAL SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT.
MOST OF THOSE WERE VERY SIMILAR ACTUALLY TO THE SPECIAL REGULATIONS THAT WE HAD FOR THE EIGHT ACRES AS FAR AS WHAT WAS ALLOWED.
IN WRITING THIS, I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD LOOK TO CAPITALIZE THOUGH, ON THE SALES TAX, WHETHER THIS PASSES OR NOT AT THIS POINT IN THE FUTURE, IT MAY, BUT WE ALSO GAIN SALES TAX AS IT IS.
I WOULD NOT WANT A BUNCH OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE SALES TAX EXEMPT, AS I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING A A BENEFIT TO THE CITY.
WE WOULD BE PUTTING THIS IN WITH NO FINANCIAL BACKING OTHER THAN TAXES IF WE GOT THAT.
BUT LUKE, SO THAT I UNDERSTAND THE MDD, IF WE WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE, WE WOULD THEN EVEN IF THEY STAY IN THE ETJ, BE ABLE TO RECOUP THE SALES TAX FROM THEM?
>> YES, WE WILL BE ABLE TO RECOUP SALES TAX FROM THE ETJ.
>> WOULD THAT APPLY TO EXISTING BUSINESSES IN OUR ETJ NOW? OR WOULD IT JUST APPLY TO ANYBODY AFTER THE MDD WAS PASSED TO, YOU KNOW.
>> I'D HAVE TO LOOK, BUT I BELIEVE IT WOULD IN FUTURE GO TO THEM.
THEY WOULD GET A NOTICE FROM THE COMPTROLLERS OFFICE, I BELIEVE, AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TAP UP MAYBE. WAS IT LIKE SIX MONTHS, I THINK OR IT'S LIKE TWO-QUARTERS OR SOMETHING BEFORE THEY HAVE TO START COLLECTING THAT MONEY.
BUT I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE-CHECK THAT.
LOOK AT THE COMPTROLLERS INFORMATION.
>> WHICH AGAIN, WOULD NOT BE A BURDEN ON THEM OUTSIDE OF THE FACT THAT THEIR MONEY COMES IN.
THEY REPORTED TO THE CONTROLLERS, THEY ALREADY HAVE TO DO AND THEN WE GET IT.
IT'S NOT AN EXTRA COST TO THE BUSINESS, CORRECT? IT WOULD JUST BE A SALES TAX IS PASSED ON TO THE BUYER.
>> HEAVY WHATEVER, UNLESS THEY CHOSE TO EAT THAT SALES TAX OR HOWEVER THEY RUN THEIR BUSINESS THAT WAY.
>> THE WAY THAT I LOOK AT THAT WOULD BE THAT OUR RESIDENTS WOULD GO THERE, THEY WOULD PAY THE SAME SALES TAX AND THEN OF COURSE THEN IT WOULDN'T BE AN IMPACT ON OUR RESIDENTS.
BUT IF THEY WENT DOWN TO WHERE THERE IS COMMERCIAL AND MURPHY, THEY'RE PAYING THE SAME SALES TAX. WE JUST DON'T GET IT.
>> CORRECT. ALMOST EVERYONE AROUND US HAS THE FULL AMOUNT.
SO ANYTIME PARKER RESIDENT LEAVES TO LUCAS, ALAN PLANO AND MURPHY, THEY'RE PAYING EVERYTHING.
>> DO YOU KNOW HOW WE COULD LIMIT THE TYPE OF STORES OR BUILDINGS THAT WOULD COME IN.
HOW CAN YOU RESTRICT CATEGORIES OF STORES AND, ALLOW SOMETHING A BUSINESS THAT HAD COLLECT SALES TAX VERSUS A BUSINESS THAT DOESN'T COLLECT SALES TAX? DOES IT GET INTO SOME LEGAL AREAS THAT-
>> I THINK YOU'D GET SOME LEGAL AREAS THERE BECAUSE IT IS A FREE MARKET.
LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH OUR OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DRIVE-THROUGHS ALERT ROLLOUT.
THAT'S ONE WAY OF STOPPING AT DRIVE-THROUGH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMING IN.
THERE IS SOME OPTIONS YOU CAN PUT IN THERE.
BUT AS FAR AS JUST TELLING BUSINESSES NO OUTSIDE OF SEXUALLY ORIENTED, I COULDN'T SEE A WAY.
I'D HAVE TO TALK TO CATHERINE ABOUT IT IF WE COULD STOP AND DO THAT.
I KNOW WE CAN DO SIZE OF BUILDINGS, HEIGHT, STORIES, AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN RESTRICT ACTUAL JUST BUSINESSES FROM COMING IN OUTSIDE OF SEXUALLY ORIENTED OR I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THE STATUTE REALLY ALLOWS.
BINGO PARLOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE MORE THAN FREE TO GO FURTHER INTO IT.
THIS IS JUST AGAIN, A 50,000 FOOT VIEW.
I WASN'T TRYING TO OVERWHELM EVERYONE WITH EVERY LITTLE STATUE
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OR ORDINANCE [LAUGHTER] THAT YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS.>> EXPLAIN TO ME BECAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS AT ALL.
THAT YOU ON SOME OF THIS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SPACE ON YOUR SALES TAX.
>> YEAH, THE EDC, A AND B AND THE MDD, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SPACING WITHIN YOUR SALES TAX TO HAVE THOSE ON THERE.
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY SPACING?
>> LIKE SOME PERCENTAGE LIKE WHETHER IT'S AN EIGHTH OF A PERCENT, HALF A PERCENT.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING A FULL PERCENT FOR THE ROADWAY, BUT IF THAT PASSES, THAT WOULD MAX THIS OUT, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PERCENTAGE LEFT.
BUT IF IT DOESN'T PASS, THEN WE COULD GO BACK AND REVISIT THIS TO HAVE AN ELECTION ON AN A, A, B, OR MDD.
>> THAT COULD ALSO BE ADJUSTED WHAT EVERY TWO YEARS OR SO AT A BIKE.
>> THE SALES TAX, THE ROADWAY I BELIEVE WOULD BE FOUR YEARS, IS THE WAY THE STATUTE CURRENTLY READS.
>> THERE IS A BILL THAT I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO DO EIGHT YEARS NOW.
I THINK FOUR YEARS RIGHT NOW WOULD BE WHAT YOU COULD.
THAT'S WHAT WATERS WOULD BE BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THE EIGHT YEARS UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTION BECAUSE THAT'S THE STATUTE LIMITATION ON THAT CURRENTLY.
YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE TO WAIT FOUR YEARS UNLESS COUNCIL DECIDED TO TAKE SOME ACTION.
I'D HAVE TO RESEARCH AND GET WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND COMPTROLLER WHAT WE COULD AND COULDN'T DO IF WE COULD ROLL BACK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
>> THAT'S NEXT MONTH. IF WE DECIDED WE WANTED TO DO ONE OF THESE THINGS WHEN WE NEEDED SPACE.
BUT THE SALES TAX PASSES THIS STUFF.
IS THERE A WAY ON DOWN THE LINE WE COULD CREATE SPACE?
>> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'D HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT I'VE NEVER HAD THAT QUESTION ASKED TO ME TO DO THAT AND SO.
>> JUST A CORRECTION, MDD WOULDN'T BE AFFECTED BY THE SALES TAX BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PAYING [INAUDIBLE]
DO I NEED TO CLARIFY THAT AGAIN?
>> WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT THAT IN PLACE IF IT PASSES BECAUSE ETJ CURRENTLY IS NOT.
>> IT'S JUST THE ETJ THAT THEY'RE COLLECTING SALES TAX ON. I APOLOGIZE ON THAT.
>> LUKE ONE OF THE ONES I SENT YOU WAS I TOOK IT FROM THE CITY OF DENNISON AND I'D BE INTERESTED FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE THE WAY THEY LAID IT OUT, THERE AS A CHART, MANY DIFFERENT ZONINGS, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES BEING ONE.
THEY DO HEAVILY RESTRICT WHAT GOES INTO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
JUST A QUICK GLANCE, EVERYBODY IN THERE IS A FUNCTION PAYING OF SALES TAX EXCEPT FOR CHURCH OF WORSHIP, SCHOOL.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY JUST SAID THE PERMITTED ONES ARE ALL.
IT PROBABLY WAS NOT A REFERENCE OF THE SALES TAX THAT THEY PAY, BUT EVERY OTHER ONE WITHIN THAT ZONING IS SALES TAX APPLICABLE.
>> YEAH. I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO PULL THAT UP TODAY, BUT I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
>> MY APOLOGIES. IT WAS SITTING IN MY DRAFTS AND I DON'T KNOW TODAY I'M GOING TO SENT.
I JUST DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET THAT DONE BEFORE THIS MEETING. I APOLOGIZE.
>> THIS IS GOOD BECAUSE THIS GIVES US AN OVERVIEW AND GIVES US SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT AND SEE WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE.
THINGS THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN.
HOW DO WE GET THERE FROM HERE IF THERE IS SOMETHING TO MOVE ON IN. THAT'S NICE.
>> I WILL SAY, I DO LIKE THIS IN MY PERSONAL OPINION IS NO OPINION OF THE CITY OR ANYONE ELSE.
I DO LIKE THE LIFESTYLE BECAUSE YOU CAN GET FAMILIES DOWN THERE.
YOU CAN HAVE ADVANCE, YOU CAN CLOSE OFF CERTAIN STREETS WITHIN THAT AREA.
YOU CAN DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT I THINK THAT WOULD HELP OUT.
IT DOES BRING A COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION ON THAT.
>> I WOULD AGREE. I ALSO THINK THAT IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS OUR RESIDENTS GENERALLY THAT THEY CAN'T GO RIGHT THREE MINUTE AWAY.
ALSO, AGAIN, MY POSITION ON THIS IS I THINK WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE IT'S AN ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM AND I WOULD RATHER BE ON THE FRONT END OF IT AND HAVE SOME CONTROL IN THOSE AREAS AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY SUBJECT TO WHATEVER BIG BOX WANTS TO GO IN THERE, WHETHER IT BE FIREWORKS OR GAS STATIONS OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MORE INFORMATION ON THE MDD AND EXAMPLES PERSONALLY OF WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT THAT ELECTIONS PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING AGAIN, THAT WE COULD BENEFIT THE CITY ON A FINANCIAL SIDE.
MY OTHER BIG CONCERN IS THE PEOPLE LIKE PRESIDENT STEVE HAD BEEN IN THE CITY A LONG TIME AND PAYING IN THEIR IMPACT FEES, BUT EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO HIT THAT LIMIT AND I WOULD RATHER HAVE SOMETHING BUDGETED FOR
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OUR RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO PIGGYBACK THE ENTIRE COST OF OPERATIONS OF THE CITY AS A CONTINUOUS.>> YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WAS A NEED TO REALIZE THAT WHEN WE BUILD OUT, IF NOT BEFORE UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING, EVERYTHING WILL BE OFF PROPERTY TAXES.
COULD BE A REAL SHOCKER ON WHAT THAT WAS, EITHER THAT OR MAYBE ELIMINATING SERVICES TOO.
>> BETTER TO CONTROL THE ZONE, TO CONTROL THE NARRATIVE THAT'S GOING IN THAN JUST A FREE FOR ALL.
THEN YOU GET A HODGEPODGE OF JUST RANDOM.
LIKE MICHAEL SAID, YOU'RE GOING TO GET GAS STATIONS, YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT LITTLE STRIP CENTER WITH THE DOUGHNUT SHOP, THE NAIL SALON, STUFF LIKE THAT.
>> DON'T GET TOO EXCITED, CHIEF.
>> PEOPLE WILL SAY WE DON'T WANT THAT.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE'LL GET TO BUILD OUT THEIR PROPERTY TAX GOES UP BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO CUT SERVICE AND YOU DIDN'T TELL US.
WE DIDN'T KNOW AND THEN WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PUT THE CONTROLS IN THE MAIL.
WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR WITH OUR RESIDENTS ON EVERYTHING.
>> THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO PUT.
>> I'M DANCING AROUND A TOPIC.
>> THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I THINK IS THAT MDD BEING THAT FUTURE, THAT VOTES HAVE TO COME FROM THE ETJ, I THINK THAT IS, JUST AS ETJ CONTINUES TO ADAPT AND GROW, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT PUT IN FRONT OF OUR RESIDENTS BEING THE PRIMARY VOTING SOURCE.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S THE ONES THAT IT WOULD IMPACT THE MOST BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE VOTED ON BY OUR RESIDENTS PLUS WHOEVER MIGHT BE IN SET ETJ AS A RESIDENT.
AS THAT CONTINUES TO GROW OUT AND OUR ETJ, CONTINUES TO HAVE RESIDENTS MOVE IN.
I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO LOOK AT THIS ON THE SOONER SIDE RATHER THAN THE LATER.
>> I'LL GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.
I GOT THE ELECTION, THE PROCESS, AND WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT THEY HAVE WRITTEN DOWN.
>> THOSE FOLKS WOULD BE REGISTERED TO VOTE IN COLLIN COUNTY.
HOW WOULD WE KNOW? WOULD SHOW PRECINCT SO WE WOULDN'T KNOW WHICH COLLIN COUNTY VOTERS?
>> THE COUNTY WOULD HANDLE THAT, BUT YES, THEY WOULD BE WITHIN THEIR OWN PRECINCTS TO SHOW OUTSIDE OF OURS.
>> YEAH. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW [OVERLAPPING] .
>> HOW WOULD THE COUNTY KNOW IF THEY'RE ETJ RESIDENTS OR NOT?
>> HOW ARE THEY GOING TO KNOW IF THERE ARE ETJ RESIDENTS WHO WOULD GET TO VOTE IN THIS.
BECAUSE THEY JUST ARE REGISTERED TO VOTE AND COLLIN COUNTY, THEY'RE NOT REGISTERED TO VOTE IN PARKER, I DON'T REALLY WANT PEOPLE THAT ARE ETJ RESIDENTS OFF 380 TO COME AND VOTE ON IT.
>> WILL THEY KNOW IF THEY'RE IN THE CITY OR NOT? NOW, WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT WE'VE PROBABLY HAVE RESIDENTS I DON'T KNOW, THAT ARE NOT IN THE CITY.
THEY'RE IN THE ETJ. THE COUNTY KNOWS THAT.
THEY'RE NOT VOTING IN THE CITY ELECTIONS.
>> DO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION? I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT SOME OF THAT.
>> THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE COUNTY KNOWS WHERE YOU ARE, THAT'S HOW THEY DETERMINE WHO YOUR STATE REPS ARE, WHO YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE, THEY KNOW AND WHERE YOU ARE IS RATED IN THE VOTING HISTORY.
THEY KNOW THEY'RE NOT RESIDENTS OF PARKER.
BUT SINCE THIS ITEM WOULD BECOME RELEVANT TO THEM, THEIR BALLOT WOULD SHOW IT, BUT AN ETG RESIDENT OF ANNA WOULD NOT SEE THIS.
>> I THINK THEY GET PULLED THROUGH CAD.
I THINK THEY COULD PULL THAT INFORMATION THROUGH CAD ON THEIR GIS SYSTEM.
>> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, LUKE, IS THERE ANY WAY TO PROJECT BY DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF BUSINESSES WHAT THE AVERAGE ANNUAL REVENUE WOULD BE FOR SALES TAX? I KNOW THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION.
BECAUSE THERE'S RESTAURANTS THAT NOBODY GOES TO AND THERE'S RESTAURANTS THAT STAY BUSY 24/7.
>> THERE'S A WHOLE SCIENCE BEHIND THIS.
THERE IS COMPANIES LIKE RETAIL STRATEGIES.
EVERYONE OUT THERE THAT DOES THIS, THEY'LL DO YOUR STRAW WAS IT CALLED, THE STRAW. STRAW SOMETHING.
THEY ALSO DO YOUR LEAK LOSAGE WHEREVER ONE'S GOING, THEY GO AROUND, THEY BUY THE DATA OF WHERE YOU'RE USING YOUR CARDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THEY KNOW WHERE TO FOCUS THEIR ATTENTION.
THEY GET LICENSE PLATE READERS, THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THEY'VE FOCUSED IN ON.
THEY KNOW WHERE YOU'RE SPENDING YOUR MONEY, WHAT YOU'RE SPINNING IT ON, WHERE TO PUT THOSE BUSINESSES.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A WHOLE SCIENCE BEHIND IT.
THEN ONCE YOU GET LIKE, I REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS SPROUTS.
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I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE 100,000 POPULATION.YOU HAVE TO BE SO FAR AWAY FROM ANOTHER SPROUTS.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS INTO THAT TOO.
IT'S JUST A WHOLE SCIENCE BEHIND IT.
>> IS THERE ANY WAY ALMOST GUARANTEE THAT SOMETHING WE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY DESIRE TO HAVE HERE THAT, A BIG BOX STORE FOR EXAMPLE. IS THERE A WAY TO PREVENT THAT?
>> WELL, I THINK MICHAEL HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD THERE WITH THE SEWER SYSTEM.
NOW IT DEPENDS ON HOW, IF IT'S AN ETJ AND THEY WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO RUN A SEWER LINE, ALL POWER TO THEM, THEY COULD DO THAT.
IT'S JUST HOW MUCH MONEY THEY BELIEVE THEY CAN MAKE OUT OF THAT SITE TO GET THAT RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR THAT.
>> IF IT'S A NRETJ, AND IT'S NOT WITHIN THE CITY, WE CAN STILL COLLECT CITY SALES TAX. THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT.
>> IT WOULD BE THE MDD WHICH WILL BE COLLECTING THE SALES TAX WITH.
IT HAS TO BE LESS THAN A 0.5%.
THREE-QUARTERS OR 0.5%, I BELIEVE, 0.5%.
>> THE PRESENTATION YOU GAVE WAS VERY HELPFUL JUST TO SEE THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND THINGS.
OVERALL, I'LL SAY THIS VERY SCARY WHAT'S IN HERE? BECAUSE A LOT OF THE OPTIONS APPEAR TO ME TO BE A LOT OF COST, THINGS THAT WE'RE GIVING UP.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S TO MAKE DEVELOPMENT.
I'M NOT TOTALLY BOUGHT IN THAT INTO PUTTING COMMERCIAL.
I THINK WHAT WE'VE SAID IS WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS.
I'M MORE INCLINED ON MICHAEL'S SIDE LOOKING AT THE MDD, I DO THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE MORE DETAILS OF WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT.
TO THINK OF THE CITY OWNING [LAUGHTER].
IT'S EVEN MORE SCARY THAN OTHERS.
BUT IN THE PROCESS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GOING TO BE CRITICAL IS BEING ABLE TO SHOW THE RESONANCE.
THIS IS WHAT OUR COSTS ARE NOW WHEN WE GET TO BUILD OUT.
THIS IS WHAT OUR COSTS ARE GOING TO BE, AND THIS IS THE REVENUES WE WILL HAVE.
THEN THESE ARE THE OPTIONS TO SEE WHAT THE BEST FINANCIAL OPTIONS ARE FOR NOW AND IN THE FUTURE, THAT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE TO PULLING THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER.
IT'S MUCH EASIER TO EXPLAIN THE BENEFITS BECAUSE SOMETHING'S GOING TO COME IN THE ETJ EITHER WAY.
AT LEAST THIS GIVES US SOME CONTROL OVER WHAT THAT ITEM IS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL, AND IT PROVIDES A BENEFIT WHERE THERE'S NONE NOW.
WE HAVE BUSINESSES IN OUR ETJ THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM.
>> VERY LITTLE BENEFIT BENEFIT OUT OF CONTROL FOR THAT OTHER THAN SALES TAX.
>> ACTUALLY YOU'RE GETTING SOMETHING.
>> WE HAVE ZERO CONTROL NOW, AT LEAST THIS WAY WE GET SOMEBODY, WHAT DO YOU SAY? A HALF OF PERCENT. THAT'S BETTER THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING READY.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T SAYING CONTROL WITH BUILDING REGULATIONS STUFF LIKE THAT.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. UNLESS WE GET THEM TO ANNEX AND THEN.
>> LIKE WITH THOSE 3D AGREEMENTS, I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE.
I'M SORRY. I'M GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE HERE.
YOU CAN PUT TYPE OF JOB RETENTION, AMOUNT OF JOBS THAT ARE CREATED, STUFF LIKE THAT.
THEY CAN GET THEIR INCENTIVES.
THERE IS SOME CONTROL THAT YOU CAN HAVE ON THOSE ALSO WITH THOSE 3D AGREEMENTS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HOPE THIS DIDN'T MAKE THINGS TOO UNCLEAR.
I TRIED TO COVER EVERYTHING I COULD REMEMBER FROM YEARS AGO AND I STILL COULDN'T FIND MY BOOK IN THE GARAGE, SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO CLEAN THE GARAGE, SAMOR I BELIEVE.
>> THIS IS QUITE HELPFUL AT LEAST TO ME BECAUSE I WAS TOTALLY UNFAMILIAR WITH A LOT OF LESSON.
THIS LETS ME HAVE MORE PROMOTION.
I WOULD LIKE MICHAEL TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE MDD AND SOME OF THOSE SUCH OF THINGS.
AT SOME POINT, WE CAN MAKE A DECISION WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND HOW DO WE WANT TO DO IT IF WE WANT TO DO ANYTHING.
THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?
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>> I WILL JUST ADD THAT I THINK WE NEED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMPLETED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, ELSE WE WOULD BE MISSTEPPING NOT TO HAVE THIS SOMEWHAT WORKED OUT BEFORE WE DO IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE A PLAN FOR WHATEVER COMMERCIAL ACTION WE CHOOSE TO TAKE, IF ANY.
>> HAVE TO GET OUR RESEARCH FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT ITEMS IN THE COMP PLAN IN ORDER TO PUT IT TOGETHER.
>> I WOULD STEP THAT TO SAY WE ALREADY HAVE COMMERCIAL AND PARKER, SO WE HAVE TO TAKE SOMETHING.
WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL IN THERE.
I DO TAKE BACK IF ANY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING.
>> YOU SHOULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION NOW.
>> THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE WILL ADJOURN, IT IS 08:29 PM. [NOISE]
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