[CALL TO ORDER]
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>> [NOISE] [LAUGHTER] PASS THAT AROUND.
>> I HEREBY CALL THE CITY COUNCIL OF PARKER TEXAS MUNICIPAL COMPLEX WORKSHOP TO ORDER.
IT IS JANUARY 11, 2023, AND IT IS 05:31 PM.
AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK MR. OLSON, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? > YES, MADAM MAYOR, WE HAVE A SUPER QUORUM.
>> AT THIS TIME I'VE GOT ONE PUBLIC COMMENT CARD IS MR. STANDRIDGE.
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
>> ED STANDRIDGE, 3607 HOG DRIVE PARKER, TEXAS 7502-6733.
I JUST HAVE A COMMENT SINCE WE'VE HAD SO MANY OF THESE MEETINGS.
THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD FOR MUNICIPAL, TALKING ABOUT IT, CINDY MADE A FANTASTIC POINT AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS HEARD AS STRONGLY AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET A BOND.
WE'RE ABOUT THE WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT AFTER WE GET A BOND, BUT WE JUST NEED TO GET A BOND ON THE BALLOT.
SO MANY PEOPLE GET HUNG UP IN ALL OF THE DETAILS AND IT DISTRACTS FROM THE WHOLE POINT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE CITY OF PARKER.
I'LL JUST ASK, LET'S BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BOND AND NOT GET HUNG UP AND WE HAVE SO MANY TIMES AND ALL THE DETAILS OF FURNITURE, FLOOR, WINDOWS, THE AIR WE BREATHE. THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU CHIEF.
>> IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PEN, YOU CAN IMAGINE MY NAME ON THAT PIECE OF PAPER.
>> CAN YOU MAKE IT UP TO THE PODIUM FOR ME? [BACKGROUND]
>> THANK YOU. WELL, I'M SORRY.
>> WE'RE JUST GLAD YOU'RE HERE.
>> BUT I'M MOVING AS FAST AS I CAN.
LET ME TELL YOU, I DO NOT RECOMMEND LONG-TERM COVID TO ANYBODY. IT'S TERRIBLE.
AS USUAL, NOT AS USUAL, THAT'S UNFAIR.
OCCASIONALLY YADE AND I DISAGREE, AND ONCE AGAIN, WE DO.
IF THIS PROCESS HADN'T TAKEN SO LONG, AND IF WE'D BEEN ON THE RIGHT PATH, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TRUSTED EVERYBODY TO SAY, LET'S FINANCE IT.
SINCE WE'RE ALL WORKING WELL TOGETHER, LET'S GO AHEAD AND FIGURE OUT THE DETAILS.
BUT IT'S BEEN A STRUGGLE TO TAKE SO LONG.
I SAY THIS WITH THE DUREST RESPECT.
HE'S BEEN TOLD, THAT'S TOO STRONG.
IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED THAT WHAT YOU'RE CALLING REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT REQUIREMENTS, THEY ARE NEEDS.
WE'VE SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOTS OF BUILDING EXPERIENCE THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT REQUIREMENTS.
IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN GOT DISREGARDED.
YOU GUYS WOULD ACT LIKE, I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, WE VALUE YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN YOU'D GO RIGHT ALONG WITHOUT ANY INTENTION TO THEM, WITH NO CHANGE.
WELL, THE OTHER THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS WE DON'T HAVE A REAL GOOD METHODOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION OF HOW WE DO THIS.
TO ME, WE SHOULD BE IDENTIFYING ISSUES, DISCUSSING THEM FACE-TO-FACE UNTIL WE WE'RE EXHAUSTED AND SOMEBODY FINALLY AGREES AND THEN SAY, SET THAT ONE ASIDE.
THAT'S A BUILDING BLOCK, WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE KEEP ARGUING THE SAME THINGS.
MOSTLY MY COMPLAINTS ARE ABOUT METHODOLOGY AND IT'S TAKEN SO LONG.
WHERE I DISAGREE WITH THAT IS BECAUSE OF THAT I WOULD NOT VOTE TO PASS A BOND UNTIL I SEE SOME EVIDENCE THAT WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
WHEN WE WENT PAST THE REQUIREMENTS AND WE WENT TO THE DESIGN AND IT WAS SO GRACIOUS TO HAVE LOTS OF EXAMPLES THAT WE ALL LIKED, NONE OF THOSE WERE SET IN PLACE AND SAYING THAT LOOKS GOOD SO FAR.
WE OBSERVE THERE'S TOO MANY MEETING ROOMS, THERE'S TOO MANY BATHROOMS, THERE'S TOO MANY KITCHENS.
THE LOBBY IS WAY TOO GRACIOUS AND LARGE.
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BUT NONE OF THOSE POINTS EVER SUNK IN.I HATE TO BE SO NEGATIVE BUT, THERE'S MORE NEGATIVE THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THIS PROCESS THAN POSITIVE BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN, WE'VE BEEN IN ARGUMENT THIS WHAT THREE YEARS NOW.
THIS LONG, IF WE HAD THE RIGHT METHODOLOGY AND COULD STICK WITH THE POINTS UNTIL WE SAID, YES, LET'S COMPROMISE.
YOU GAVE UP A LITTLE BIT. I GAVE A LITTLE BIT AND WE'LL AGREE TO SET ASIDE.
I KNOW A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AS VOCAL AS I AM THAT DISAGREE WITH THIS PROCESS AS WELL.
I'D HATE TO SEE IT DEFEATED AGAIN AT THE POLLS BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE ANYWHERE.
AS USUAL, YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT THIS FOR HOURS AND WE GET THREE MINUTES AND WE NEVER SEEM TO GET A MEETING OF THE MINDS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE?
>> CAN I ASK? AMANDA HAS DONE AN ANALYSIS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, THE PROPOSAL, WILL SHE BE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT TO US?
>> OKAY. THEN AMANDA, WOULD YOU MIND GIVING THAT IN PUBLIC COMMENTS NOW?
>> SHE SAID NO. [BACKGROUND] DID I MISUNDERSTAND YOU? SHE HAS TO GIVE THAT NOW?
>> I DIDN'T MEAN NO, SHE COULDN'T GIVE IT.
I JUST MEAN IT NEEDS TO BE THERE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU CAN GIVE THAT LATER. YOU CAN SPEAK.
>> AMANDA NOE 4307 SPRING HILL ESTATES DRIVE.
IT'S BEEN ABOUT PERHAPS ABOUT SIX MONTHS SINCE THE LAST WORKSHOP THAT I'VE ATTENDED.
I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'VE TAKEN PLACE BETWEEN THEN AND NOW, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS ESTIMATE THAT WAS PROVIDED BY AN EXTERNAL CONTRACTOR TO ASSESS THE POTENTIAL COST FOR RENOVATING THIS BUILDING TO BECOME A POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I'VE GONE THROUGH THAT ASSESSMENT AND I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO GET ON RECORD AND THEN PLEASE ANSWERED AFTER THIS MEETING, FIRST OF ALL.
>>CAN YOU MOVE CLOSER TO THE MIC, PLEASE? > I'LL JUST START BECAUSE I'M TIME-LIMITED.
THE FIRST ITEM, SELECT A SITE DEMOLITION, $27,000.
WHY ARE WE REMOVING THE FOUR TREES FROM BEHIND THE BUILDING? WHY ARE WE REMOVING 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF PAVEMENT? WHY ARE WE REMOVING 275 LINEAR FEET OF CURB AND WHY ARE WE REMOVING THE HVAC BACK PASS BEHIND THE BUILDING? ITEM NUMBER 31100 SITE CONCRETE IS AN ESTIMATE OF $296,000 FOR A SITE CONCRETE.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WHY ARE WE INCLUDING 15,659 SQUARE FEET OF A FIRE LANE, 5,277 SQUARE FEET FOR PARKING LOT, 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF A SIDEWALK AND 1,000 LINEAR FEET OF CURB? MY NEXT QUESTION IS ON JOINT SEALANTS, WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE FOR $10,000.
IF WE DON'T DO ALL THIS CONCRETE, WE DON'T NEED THAT.
THE NEXT ONE IS SITE EXCAVATION.
WE HAVE $50,000 FOR SITE EXCAVATION.
DESCRIBING THE EQUIVALENT EXCAVATION OF THE AREA OF TWO FOOTBALL FIELDS TO THREE FEET DEEP IN TERMS OF THE TOTAL VOLUME OF EXCAVATED DIRT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT AMOUNT OF DIRT NEEDS TO BE EXCAVATED IN ORDER TO RENOVATE THIS BUILDING.
IF YOU LOOK AT JUST THE WHOLE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, IF YOU RENOVATED IT WITH THE ADDITION THAT WE PROPOSED, THERE'LL BE A SMALL AREA OF SPACE THERE.
IF YOU HAD $5,000, THEN YOU COULD HAVE $45 PER LINEAR FOOT OF BUDGET FOR LANDSCAPING, THE SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR SITE UTILITIES.
THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A NEW SUBJECT SYSTEM ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE 2023 BUDGET? IF SO, THIS PORTION OF THIS ESTIMATE WOULD BE REDUNDANT.
I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO GET AN ANSWER REGARDING AN UPDATED SITE UTILITIES ESTIMATE.
IN TERMS OF THE STRUCTURAL STEEL AND METAL DECKING AND COLD FORMED METAL FRAMING, THAT IS PART OF THIS ESTIMATE.
I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THEIR STRUCTURAL STEEL AND METAL DECKING AND COLD FORMED METAL FRAMING, INCLUDING THIS ESTIMATE, THOSE TWO NUMBERS ARE $84,000 AND $68,000.
THE PROPOSAL WAS TO ADD AN ADDITION TO THE FRONT, USING THE SIMILAR WOOD CONSTRUCTION THAT THE CURRENT BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED WITH.
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IT WILL BE JUST A STANDARD TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION ADDITION, NOT ONE WITH COLD FORMED METAL FRAMING AND STRUCTURAL METAL DECKING.MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WITH RESPECT TO THE INTERIOR METAL FRAMING, THERE'S 463 LINEAR FEET THAT ARE CONSIDERED TO BE 18 FEET LONG.
I WAS CURIOUS SINCE THE BUILDING WAS SPEC TO BE NINE FEET TALL, LIKE HOW WOULD THOSE 18-FOOT LONG BOARDS BE USED? MAYBE THOSE ARE FOR HORIZONTAL FRAMING PIECES AND THERE MAY BE CUT TO BE PART OF THE WALLS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S 463 LINEAR FEET OF 18-FOOT TALL BOARDS, BUT THERE'S PERHAPS A REASON.
I GUESS MY OVERALL ASSESSMENT IS THAT THIS BUILDING COULD PROBABLY BE DONE FOR CLOSE TO 2,000,00 AND NOT 3.2 BASED ON ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? AT THIS TIME, WE WILL START OUR WORKSHOP.
[MUNICIPAL COMPLEX]
LUKE, WOULD YOU PUT UP ON THE SCREEN THE PICTURE OF THE LAST RENDITION OF A PROPOSED FACILITY, THE ONE THAT THE STAFF DESIGNED. I WENT BACK AND REVIEWED EVERYTHING I COULD FIND AND WHAT I'VE FOUND IS WE HAD AGREED ON THE BUILDING WITH THE EXCEPTION SHOULD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BE TAKEN OFF AND BROUGHT BACK HERE, THAT POLICE DEPARTMENT WHICH INCLUDES SOME OF THE THINGS THAT AMANDA HADN'T HAD, BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS IN THERE THAT SHE DIDN'T HAVE.THE ISSUE BECAME WHETHER WAS CHEAPER TO LEAVE IT THERE OR HAVE IT DOWN HERE IN A SEPARATE BUILDING.
NOW, I ASKED YOU TO REMEMBER THAT WE TOOK OUT STORAGE AND WE TOOK OUT TRAINING ROOMS OUT OF THIS BUILDING WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT THIS BUILDING WOULD NOT BE DESTROYED, THAT THIS BUILDING WOULD BE USED FOR STORAGE, IT WOULD BE USED FOR VOTING, AND IT WOULD BE USED FOR OVERFLOW MEETINGS.
THAT'S WHAT MY NOTES, THE TYPES, EVERYTHING REVEALED.
WE HAD ASKED TO GET THE PRICE, SO WE WOULD KNOW FROM A PROFESSIONAL WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE BETWEEN THOSE TWO DEALS AND THAT'S WHERE I UNDERSTAND WE ARE.
ARE Y'ALL TELLING ME YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO SCRATCH? BECAUSE I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT.
>> THE CONCERN THAT I HAD WAS, AND WHAT I HAD BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WHEN WE REVIEWED THIS IN THE WORKSHOP, WAS THAT WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE STORAGE FACILITY, THIS BEING A STORAGE FACILITY, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND AND I LOOKED BACK AT ALL MY NOTES AND LISTEN TO THE MINUTES ALSO ON THE FACILITY MEETINGS, AND WHAT MIGHT MAKE THIS AS LONG AS TALKING FROM MY PERSPECTIVE HERE, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT WE WERE EITHER GOING TO SOMEHOW REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE OVERALL SITE TO MAKE IT MORE MANAGEABLE FOR WHAT THE CITIZENS HAD BEEN COMMUNICATING TO US.
THAT MEANT THAT EITHER THIS FACILITY DID NOT EXIST AND YOU HAD EVERYTHING DOWN THERE OR IT MEANT YOU HAD THIS FACILITY HERE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CONTAINED WITHIN IT AND YOU REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY DOWN THERE.
THAT'S THE HEARTBURN THAT I HAVE NOW AS IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE BACK TO TWO CASES.
ONE CASE WHERE THIS IS THE POLICE FACILITY AND THE SECOND CASE WHERE THIS IS A STORAGE FACILITY AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE DOWN THERE IS ENHANCED.
>> WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE TOOK SOME STUFF OUT OF THAT BUILDING TO REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND PUT IT HERE LIKE THE STORAGE.
WE TOOK 500 SQUARE FEET OF STORAGE SPACE OUT OF THAT BUILDING THINKING THAT THIS WOULD SERVE FOR THAT.
>> THE DISCONNECT THERE IS THAT THIS IS LIKE 4,700 SQUARE FEET.
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THE IDEA WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THOSE TWO DIFFERENT PLANS WAS THAT WHATEVER THAT WE UTILIZE HERE WOULD BE SUBTRACTING FROM OUT OF THERE.IF IT'S 20,000-22,000 SQUARE FEET THERE AND THAT'S 4,700 HERE, YOU WOULD SUBTRACT THAT OUT AND YOU GET INTO THAT 15, 8,000 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE THE OTHER 4,000 SQUARE FEET OR IF THERE WAS THE EXTENSION ON THE FRONT THAT HAD TO BE THERE, WHATEVER THE NUMBERS WORKED OUT TO BE, BUT IT WAS IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.
THAT'S WERE MY RECOLLECTION OF ALL THE THINGS AND WHEN I LISTEN BACK AND LOOKED AT ALL OF MY NOTES AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THERE WHERE WE WERE, NOW, WE CAN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AS A GROUP, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU MY STUMBLING BLOCK. THAT'S ALL.
>> I THINK THIS STARTED OUT AT 2,400, 2,500 SQUARE FEET AND WHEN WE TOOK THIS STUFF OUT, IT CAME DOWN TO ABOUT 1,800-2,000.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE FIGURE RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I CAN'T READ THAT SMALL [LAUGHTER].
MY POINT IS, WHATEVER WE DO, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT EITHER BUILDING IN SOME MANNER.
IS JUST WHAT'S THE BEST? WHAT'S THE BEST FOR THE CITY? WHAT'S THE BEST FOR THE RESIDENTS? WHAT'S THE BEST FOR THE STAFF? THAT'S THE CONCERN.
>> THE ONE THING THAT I DON'T THINK WE REALLY NAILED DOWN IS IF WE USE THIS BUILDING FOR STORAGE, A TRAINING ROOM, VOTING, A MEETING ROOM, THIS BUILDING IS USEFUL.
THOSE ITEMS, IF WE REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE,F WE TOOK THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OUT OF THAT BUILDING, WHERE WILL WE VOTE? WHERE WILL WE HAVE MEETINGS? WHERE WILL THE TRAINING ROOM BE? WHERE WILL THE STORAGE BE? THERE'S A VOID IN THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
I SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT, BUT WE'RE NOT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES.
>> THIS IS ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES THAT I WAS CONTINUING TO HAVE AND I DID NOT APPROVE OF THIS LAYOUT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT DIDN'T INCLUDE A PLACE FOR TRAINING/VOTING THAT UTILIZES SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR IS SHARED SPACES.
WE SHOWED A SCENARIO OF POSSIBLY MOVING THE EXECUTIVE CONFERENCE ROOM OVER CLOSE TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND THEN HAVING OVERFLOW BETWEEN THOSE TWO ROOMS. WE'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER CITIES WHERE THEY DO THAT.
IT'S A USE OF THE ROOMS RATHER THAN HAVING SEPARATE USES WITHIN THE SAME SQUARE FOOT, BECAUSE THIS COUNCIL CHAMBERS ARE USED TWICE A MONTH.
I KNOW I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE OTHER MEETINGS THAT OCCUR, BUT THAT ROOM IS NOT USED ALL THE TIME.
ESPECIALLY, IF YOU'VE GOT THESE OTHER CONFERENCE ROOMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE.
I JUST FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT WE'RE CREATING SPACE FOR INDIVIDUAL USES INSTEAD OF BEING CREATIVE TO FIND WAYS TO USE A SPACE FOR MULTIPLE USES, WHICH IS VERY EFFICIENT.
I STILL CONTINUE TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SIZE. WHAT IS THIS? THIS IS 21,000 SQUARE FEET.
21,000. IT HASN'T LESSEN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM WHERE WE WERE BEFORE.
>> LUKE, THE CONFERENCE ROOMS THAT ARE LISTED UP THERE, ARE THEY ABLE TO BE USED FOR VOTING IF AND WHEN NEEDED THEY CAN BE CONVERTED?
>> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE ELECTIONS [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REPURPOSING CONFERENCE ROOMS.
>> THIS ROOM IS TIGHT ENOUGH WITH ELECTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEW REGULATIONS ARE.
I THINK THE STATE CAN COME DOWN WITH SOMETHING.
I'M NOT SURE THOUGH. WE COULD ASK BRUCE HERBERT'S OFFICE.
>> I HAVE TALKED TO BRUCE HERBERT'S OFFICE AND THEY ARE EXPECTING EITHER THROUGH OUR LEGISLATURE OR CONGRESS TIGHTER REGULATIONS REGARDING VOTING BECAUSE OF ALL THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE.
IN TALKING TO HIM NOW, I TALKED TO HIM, I'M SORRY, I CANNOT REMEMBER THE LADY'S NAME, SHE TOOK SHARON ROSE'S PLACE IF THAT TELLS YOU WHO IT IS.
THEY'RE EVEN MAKING THE SCHOOLS CHANGE IT.
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THEY WANT ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT WHERE YOU GO THROUGH.THEY DO NOT WANT PEOPLE COMING IN AND GOING OUT THE SAME DOOR.
THEY DIDN'T WANT EVEN THE LOBBIES BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO MIX IN PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO THE REST ROOM.
YOU'RE GOING TO MIX IN PEOPLE THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN A SECURE VOTING AREA.
BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL SCENARIOS AND I ASKED HER, I SAID, WELL HOW COME IF YOU VOTE NEAR THE SCHOOL, YOU VOTE IN THE HALLWAY? SHE SAID, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANYMORE THEY HAVE TO MOVE THE MACHINES INTO A TWO DOOR CLASSROOM. THAT'S ALL I KNOW.
NOW, I EXPECT THAT TO CHANGE BASED ON VOTER SECURITY.
YOUR GUESS IS AS GOOD AS MINE ON WHAT THAT WILL TURN OUT TO BE.
>> SPECIFICALLY WONDERING ABOUT THE TOP RIGHT CONFERENCE ROOM UP THERE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK BECAUSE THERE'S NO AN OUTSIDE DOOR RIGHT THERE.
>> WE HAVE TO BE PART OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
AMANDA HAD PRESENTED A SCENARIO WHERE ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS WERE MET WITHIN THE SCENARIO WHERE YOU HAD ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT WITHIN A SMALLER FOOTPRINT.
>> LET ME THINK OF THE PROPER WAY TO SAY THIS WHERE IT DOESN'T SOUND SO CRAFTS.
I FEEL LIKE AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'VE WATCHED THIS PROCESS NOW FOR THREE YEARS.
I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO THINK OF HOW LONG IT'S BEEN BECAUSE I'VE TRIED TO BLOCK SOME OF IT OUT OF MY MEMORY.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THERE'S A TWO-WAY STREET HERE.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, AND I'M GOING TO PUT IT IN TERMS OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO BUILD A HOUSE, YOU GO ABOUT ONE OR TWO THINGS.
YOU EITHER DESIGN AN ENTIRE FLOOR PLAN AND THEN YOU TAKE IT TO THE ARCHITECT HE TELLS YOU WHERE YOU'RE WRONG, HE FIXES IT UP, THEN YOU SEND IT OUT TO BID AT A CONTRACTOR YOU GET A PRICE AND REALIZE, HOLY CRAP, I CAN'T AFFORD THAT.
NOW I CAN'T HAVE TWO BALLROOMS IN MY 1,200 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE.
BUT GENERALLY WHAT EVERYBODY DOES IS THEY FIGURE OUT EITHER A, HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE THEY NEED AND THEY WORK OFF OF THAT AND THEY WORK BACKWARDS.
OR THEY FIGURE OUT, HEY, I'M GOING TO SPEND THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY AND I'M GOING TO WORK BACKWARDS.
I FEEL LIKE THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED OVER AND OVER AGAIN OF WHAT SQUARE FOOTAGE ARE WE TRYING TO SHOOT FOR BECAUSE WHAT I'VE SEEN IS IT DID START AS A MONSTROSITY OF A BUILDING.
IT CAME DOWN, THAT WASN'T ENOUGH.
IT CAME DOWN THAT WASN'T ENOUGH.
WHERE ARE WE TRYING TO GET? UNTIL WE CAN GET THAT BASIS, WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER THERE.
THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I'M GOING TO MAKE RIGHT NOW AS I GET YOUR IDEAS OF THE CONFERENCE ROOM AND TERRY, I AGREE WITH YOU A LOT OF TIMES THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE TIMES I DON'T IS THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS IS NOT USED TWICE A MONTH AND I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT FOR OTHER MEETINGS, ONCE A WEEK WE HAVE COURT IN HERE.
WE HAVE, OF COURSE ALL OF OUR OTHERS, P&Z IS A REGULATORY BODY THAT HAS TO BE IN HERE.
LOOK AT HOW MANY MEETINGS WE'VE HAD THIS WEEK SO FAR [LAUGHTER] AND THIS IS JUST JANUARY AND THOSE ARE REGULAR MONTHS.
WE DO MEET IN HERE QUITE FREQUENTLY.
WE ARE BLESSED BY THE ATTENDEES THAT COME.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT JUST ABOUT EVERY FAITH IN HERE, TENS AND THAT'S ABOUT THE EQUIVALENT OF WHAT WE GET TO ATTEND.
NOW NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA I'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF WE PACK THIS ROOM BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT CAN DO IT.
MY CONCERNS ARE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO HIT A MOVING TARGET IT'S ALWAYS HARDER THAN IF WE HAVE A STATIONARY ONE TO HIT.
TO ME I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IF WE DRAFT THIS AND WE KNOCK OFF THAT WHOLE BACK WING WITH THE EXECUTIVE CONFERENCE ROOM ALL TOGETHER AND WE SAY WE DON'T NEED THAT ANYMORE AND I TAKE THE OTHER CONFERENCE ROOM OUT AND WE SAY, FINE, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE ONE CONFERENCE ROOM IN THIS WHOLE BUILDING, I STILL THINK EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IT GOING WELL, THAT'S STILL NOT LET'S SEE HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE MAKE IT.
THAT BECOMES A QUESTION, BUT I'M GOING TO POINT OUT THAT SOMETIMES YOU SPEND DIMES TO SAVE PENNIES AND WE PUT OURSELVES IN THIS SCENARIO, SAM.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT'S THE RESIDENTS, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT'S THE CITY.
THE PROJECT WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT READY THE LAST TIME I WISH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE PREDICAMENT THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD BE WHERE THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE NOW.
WHATEVER WE BUY TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO GET FUNCTIONALLY LESS TODAY THAN WE WOULD HAVE TWO YEARS AGO.
WE'RE GOING TO GET FUNCTIONALLY LESS TWO YEARS FROM NOW THAN WE WILL TODAY.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY RATES OR ANYTHING, THAT'S JUST COST, THAT'S JUST INFLATION, THAT'S NATURAL INFLATION.
WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GET THOSE THINGS AND IT'S BEEN HISTORIC.
IF WE DON'T HAVE A CONSENSUS ON WHAT IT IS, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO MEET IT.
I DO FEEL LIKE CHANGES HAVE CONTINUED TO BE MADE.
AMANDA DID SOME GREAT JOBS IN SEVERAL OF HERS, A LOT OF THOSE WERE REVIEWED LIKE THESE ROUGHS THAT WE INSTRUCTED LUKE TO GET AND HE PULLED THAT OFF PRETTY EXPEDITIOUSLY.
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THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT WE CAME UP WITH.THESE ARE DONE BY A THIRD PARTY AND I COULD SIT AND PICK THROUGH SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, PUBLIC COMMENTS OF WHY WE HAVE CERTAIN RAFTERS, WHY WE HAVE CERTAIN DEMO.
BUT THE TRUTH IS, THIS IS THE PROFESSIONAL WHO FAR OUT SEEDS.
JUST ABOUT ANYBODY UP HERE HAS QUALIFICATION TO COME UP WITH THAT.
TO ME, DOING THAT, WE CAN EITHER CUT SIZE OR NOT CUT SIZE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL HIM DON'T USE TWO BY SIXES ON ANY OF YOUR FRAME, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL HIM DON'T DEMO THAT CURB.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL HIM NOT TO MAKE AN ELECTRICAL SAFE AND THAT A LOT OF THE DEMO IS TO REMOVE ELECTRICITY.
WE CAN'T DO THAT, NOT REALISTICALLY.
I REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT HAS BEEN OUR BIGGEST STRUGGLE IN THESE ARGUMENTS IS THAT WE'RE ALL ARGUING, HALF OF US ARE PLAYING FOOTBALL AND HALF OF US ARE PLAYING BASEBALL, AND SO WE CAN NEVER GET A FINAL SCORE.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID AND BACKUP A LITTLE BIT.
ONE THING THAT WE DIDN'T COME TO TERMS WITH AND AGREE UPON IN THE BEGINNING IS, HOW LONG DO WE WANT THIS BUILDING? DO WE SEE THAT THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO BE USEFUL? BASED ON HISTORY, THINGS DON'T COME EASY IN THIS CITY.
TWENTY YEARS AGO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A BUILDING AND HERE WE ARE 20 YEARS LATER AND WE'RE STILL ARGUING ABOUT IT.
I THINK THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO IDENTIFY IS, WHAT DO WE WANT THIS BUILDING TO BE? IS THIS A BUILDING THAT WE WANT TO BE IN EXISTENCE AND USEFUL AND NOT HAVE TO ADD ONTO AND THAT TYPE OF THING FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS? MY HOPE IS THAT THIS BUILDING WILL LAST US THROUGH BUILD-OUT AND WE WON'T HAVE TO ADD ANOTHER STRUCTURE IF WE MAINTAIN IT.
IT'LL SERVE THE CITY FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.
I THINK THAT MOST OF THE COUNCIL AGREES ON THAT.
TRYING TO PICK A PART THE SIZE OF CONFERENCE ROOMS OR BATHROOMS OR WHATEVER, TO ME THERE WILL BE GROWTH IN THE CITY, THERE WILL BE GROWTH IN STAFFING AND WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT'LL SERVICE THIS COMMUNITY FAR INTO THE FUTURE.
>> I GUESS WHAT I WILL ADD, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO BE NEGATIVE ABOUT IT.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN NEGATIVE AND THAT PROBABLY WAS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME, BUT I'M NOT NEGATIVE ABOUT IT.
I DO WANT US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE GO THROUGH AND WE TALK THROUGH IT.
AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, HERE WE ARE, I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL NOW FOR A YEAR-AND-A-HALF AND MAY WILL BE TWO YEARS AND IT'S BEEN ALL OF THAT TIME AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I CAME ON WAS BECAUSE OF THIS PROJECT.
AGAIN, JUST FUNDAMENTALLY, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, IF YOU LOOK, MICHAEL YOU WERE SAYING, IT'S BEEN SCALED BACK, IT'S BEEN SCALED BACK SCALED BACK.
ACTUALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REALLY ANY DIFFERENT NOW THAN THEY WERE THEN.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THERE REALLY HAS NOT BEEN ANY REDUCTION IN THE SIZE AND THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THIS FACILITY AND THEN THERE'S OTHER LITTLE THINGS THAT IF YOU WANT IT TO BE THE FACILITY FOR PARKER FOREVER, THEN WOULD YOU NOT LIKE TO HAVE A SIMILAR MOTIF FOR ALL THE BUILDINGS? IN THE LAST MEETING WE DISCUSSED ABOUT LEAVING IT AND HAVING VERY LITTLE UPKEEP AND ALL THAT THING, THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE SCOPED OUT.
THERE IS GOING TO BE UPKEEP ON THIS BUILDING NO MATTER HOW YOU KEEP IT.
YOU HAVE MEETINGS IN HERE, PEOPLE COME IN, YOU WANT THE INTERNET SERVICE INCREASED.
YOU WANT TO HAVE DIFFERENT KIND OF FACILITIES.
YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE OTHER THINGS FOR THE WAY THESE WALLS ARE STRUCTURED, ETC.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST THAT YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING.
THEN THERE'S THE COSMETIC ASPECT OF IT IS THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE THIS NICE-LOOKING CAMPUS WHERE YOU SPEND $15 MILLION OR WHATEVER THAT WINDS UP BEING THE TAG AND THEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENT LOOKING FACADES, IT DOESN'T MATCH AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE I COME BACK TO THAT.
IN MY OPINION WE DO IT RIGHT-SIZED, WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ACTUALLY BUILD IT FOR WHAT WE NEED.
THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
WE WENT THROUGH ALL THESE THINGS ABOUT HOW STRUCTURALLY IT WASN'T SOUND AND ALL THAT THING AND THAT ESSENTIALLY BY THE EXPERTS AS MICHAEL HAS TALKED ABOUT, HAS BEEN REFUTED.
AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY THIS PROCESS HAS TAKEN SO LONG BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF RELUCTANCE TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD INITIALLY.
I STILL THINK BOTTOM LINE ON THESE ESTIMATES OVER THERE, IT WAS A MILLION DOLLAR DIFFERENCE WHETHER WE HAVE IT ALTOGETHER OR WE HAVE IT SEPARATE.
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THAT'S A BIG CHUNK OF CHANGE.BUT THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE HAD THROUGH THIS.
LUKE, IF YOU WOULD, LET'S GO THROUGH WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE AND WHAT THEY ARE NOW BECAUSE I WANT THAT DOCUMENTED.
>> PULL UP THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
IT WAS ABOUT 22,196. WHAT WE DID WITH OUR PLAN IS WE CUT DOWN SOME OF THE ROOMS AND THEN WE CUT DOWN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WAS DISCUSSED.
WE TRIED TO CUT OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
THERE'S NOTHING SAYING THAT WE CAN'T GO AT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH A FINE-TOOTH COMB.
THIS WAS JUST OUR INITIAL IDEA HERE.
>> BUT EVEN IF YOU GO AT IT WITH A FINE-TOOTH COMB, I MEAN, REALISTICALLY HOW MANY SQUARE FEET ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO CUT OUT? BECAUSE LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, A CONFERENCE ROOM GIVE ME WHAT? THREE HUNDRED SQ FT, 400 SQ FT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> POLICE FACILITY IS GOING TO CUT OUT 5,000 SQ FT IN IT.
>> I'M NOT ARGUING WHAT WE USE THIS BUILDING FOR THAT'S NOT MY PURPOSE.
JIM WELL, DISAGREE IS THAT THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST BOND WE STARTED AT A MUCH HIGHER SQUARE FOOTAGE WHEN WE STARTED.
IT WAS CLOSE TO 27,000 SQ FT WHEN IT STARTED AND PEOPLE SAID TO GO SMALLER.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. I REMEMBER WHEN THIS PROJECT ALL STARTED.
I'M NOT SAYING NOT TO REDUCE IT.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHAT IS OUR TARGET? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO GET TO? ARE WE GOING TO SAY BUILD EVERYTHING IN 14,000 SQ FT. ARE WE SAYING WE GOT TO BUILD EVERYTHING IN 9,000 SQ FT. ARE WE SAYING WE HAVE 16,000 SQ FT. WE HAVE TO HAVE ONE TARGET TO HIT.
I'LL USE MY EXAMPLE OF LAST NIGHT WITH MY VISION STATEMENT, WHERE WE'VE AGREED ON SOMETHING AND THEN ONE OTHER PERSON GETS IN THE ROOM AND WE WANT TO CHANGE IT.
WHICH WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU HAVE A NEVER ENDING ARGUMENT.
SOMETIMES CITIES RUN INTO THESE DECISIONS AND THAT'S HOW OUR CITY RAN INTO IT AS WELL WITH TRUSTING SOME EXPERTS THAT HAD FALSE INFORMATION.
I'M 100 PERCENT ON BOARD WITH THAT.
THERE WERE MANY THINGS SUCH AS WHERE FLOODPLAINS LIE AND WHAT WAS STRUCTURAL, WHAT WASN'T.
I DON'T BLAME ANYBODY BUT THE PROFESSIONALS ON THAT.
I WOULD NEVER BLAME THE PERSON WHO'S THE LAME UNDERTAKES PROFESSIONAL ADVICE.
WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK FOR NOW IS, WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP ON THIS? THAT HAS BEEN THE QUESTION NOW ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES.
>> FOR ME, I THINK IT'S REAL SIMPLE.
TO ME THE ANSWER IS THAT WE EITHER HAVE ONE FACILITY WITH EVERYTHING IN IT, AND THIS FACILITY DOES EXIST OR WE HAVE ONE FACILITY DOWN THERE AND THAT'S WHERE FOOTAGE REMOVED FROM THERE AND THAT INCORPORATE IN THIS FACILITY.
WITH THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS GOING TO BE A FOREVER FACILITY AND ALL THAT THING.
I MEAN, TO ME WE'RE AROUND 6,200 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW THE BUILDERS GOING TO BE WHAT, 8,509,000 BEST CASE WE'RE THINKING.
MY POINT BEING IS THAT WE'RE ADDING 20,000 SQ FT.
I GRANTED THE POLICE, SO IT'D BE 15,000 AND CHANGE SQUARE FEET.
IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT, YOU WIND UP AND GET.
IT'S 21,000 SQ FT, YOU TAKE OUT THE POLICE FACILITY PART OF IT AS SAY, 5 OR 6,000 SQ FT. LET'S SAY NOW WE'RE DOWN TO 15,000 SQ FT. YOU TAKE OUT THIS FACILITY WHICH WAS WHAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW TO HOUSE EVERYTHING THAT GETS US DOWN TO ANOTHER 5,000 SQUARE FOOT.
THAT MEANS WE'RE ADDING 10,000 SQ FT ESSENTIALLY.
I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD DO IT.
NO MATTER WHAT THE PURPOSES ARE THAT WE NEED.
I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT THAT DOES IT.
THAT'S WHERE I AM AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
THERE'S NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN THE WAY THAT I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
>> I SAY WHATEVER THE SQUARE, IF IT'S 21,000 SQ FT TOTAL, IF THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE OVER 1,000 SQ FT. THAT'S MY POINT.
WE'VE ONLY CHANGED THE 1,000 SQ FT SINCE A LOT OF THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON.
NOT THE ORIGINAL ONES, 14 MILLION, BUT THE $9 MILLION ONE.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT I THINK THAT THAT FOOTPRINT SHOULD HOUSE EVERYTHING?
>> NOW, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WANT TO SAY THAT THE $9.8 MILLION ONE THAT WE HAD BEFORE, WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY END UP, EVEN IF WE CUT THIS DOWN QUITE A BIT, WHICH I THINK WE WILL, WE'LL PROBABLY STILL GOING TO END UP SPENDING THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO SPEND BEFORE THAT WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE BUILDING FOR OUR MONEY.
>> WHICH WHERE LIES THE QUESTION,
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ARE YOU LOOKING TO SAVE MONEY? ARE YOU LOOKING TO SAVE SQUARE FEET? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO SAVE MONEY, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE QUITE MORE FOR THE LESS SQUARE FEET THAT WE'RE CUTTING OUT.WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? BECAUSE IF WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF THE BOND, IT'S JUST WITH THE COST OF SERVICES AND GOODS AND PRODUCTS, IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN MORE AND WE'RE LOSING THE SQUARE FEET, WHICH I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE MONEY.
>> AGAIN, WITH ME, I'VE SAID FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, PRICES ARE GOING TO GO UP, PRICES ARE GOING TO GO DOWN AND I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO GET INTO THE ARGUMENT YOU CAN SAY THAT WELL, BECAUSE COST OF MATERIALS AND EVERYTHING IS AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, THAT WOULD WE WANT A TABLE IT AND WAIT TILL IT TEMPERS OFF BECAUSE I SENSE THE SECOND HALF OF THIS YEAR, THINGS ARE GOING TO TEMPER OFF QUITE A BIT AND YOU ALREADY SEE THAT HOUSING COSTS AND SO FORTH ARE STARTING TO TEMPER.
BUT I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO BRING THAT UP AS AN OPTION BECAUSE I THINK THAT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS WE WANTED TO DO OUR BEST TO PROVIDE WHAT WAS NEEDED IN SCOPE THAT OUT AND GO FORWARD WITH THAT.
THAT'S WHERE I'VE ALWAYS BEEN.
I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD COME IN AND SAY, HEY, WELL, WE DIDN'T BUILD IT BACK THEN, SO WE SCREWED UP AND WE SHOULD HAVE BECAUSE OF THIS THAT YOU NEED TO SCOPE IT.
THAT'S RIGHT FOR THE CITY AND WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING.
>> THAT'S NOT SAYING THAT WE SCREWED UP.
THAT IS MORE GIVING AN ADAGE BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO DON'T OPERATE IN THIS FIELD MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES THAT COME FROM THESE TYPES OF DECISIONS.
I WILL TELL YOU BUILDING AS MANY PROJECTS AS I BUILD A YEAR.
LITERALLY WE WERE INTO BETWEEN REHABS CONSTRUCTIONS, HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PROJECTS THAT I BUILD A YEAR.
WHEN IT GOT DOWN TO THE BEGINNING, MIDDLE OF THIS YEAR AND LUMBER PRICES WERE GOING UP I WAS TELLING PEOPLE, YOU CAN WAIT TOMORROW AND GO BACK TO YOUR ARCHITECT AND CUT THIS BEDROOM OFF.
IT'S GOING TO COST YOU MORE BECAUSE YOU WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW AND I CAN'T LOCK THE LUMBER PRICE AND I WAS ACCURATE.
NOW, THAT'S NOT USING A SCARE TACTIC THAT IS GIVING YOU THE INFORMATION BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S ONE THING THAT PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY DIDN'T HAVE IS ALL THE INFORMATION.
WHAT I DON'T WANT IS US SITTING HERE A YEAR FROM NOW DISCUSSING THIS AND ALL THE RESIDENTS GOING, WELL YOU'RE SCREWED UP BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW THESE PRICES WERE GOING TO GO UP.
WELL, IT DID AND PRICES MAY TEMPER OFF. I DON'T DISAGREE.
THE COST OF LUMBER HAS GONE DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY.
I HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH AN ARCHITECT TODAY.
YES, LUMBER HAS GONE DOWN. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
WHAT DOES DIESEL DONE? WELL, IT'S GONE UP, BUT WHAT DOES THAT MATTER? WELL, HOW DO YOU THINK I GET THE LUMBER? FROM THE TREE THAT GETS CUT DOWN ONTO A TRUCK, INTO A DISTRIBUTION CENTER AND TO YOUR JOB SITE. THAT TAKES DIESEL.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT [INAUDIBLE] TEMPER OF OFFER OR NOT, AND I WON'T SAY FOR A FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO, BECAUSE PEOPLE, CORPORATIONS TEND TO FIND THAT IF I CAN CHARGE YOU X NUMBER OF DOLLARS AND YOU WILL PAY IT, I'M NOT SO INCLINED TO DROP THAT NUMBER UNLESS THE DEMAND GOES DOWN.
WE'RE NOT PROJECTED TO DO THAT IN DFW AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION DEMAND FOR PROBABLY ABOUT ANOTHER 5-7 YEARS.
>> THAT'S WHY I SAID I DIDN'T BRING THAT UP.
IT'S A FACTOR, BUT I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO BRING IT UP.
WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS THAT I THINK THAT THE PROJECT, THE WAY IT WAS SCOPED ORIGINALLY, THE COMMUNITY WAS NOT BEHIND IT FOR SURE.
THERE WERE DEFINITELY SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE WAY IT WAS SCOPED OUT, AND THAT WAS MY CONTENTION IS THAT I WANTED IT TO BE SCOPED OUT PROPERLY.
AGAIN, I'LL COME BACK TO MY SAME.
IT WASN'T JUST THE COST, THAT WAS THE SIZE ALSO THAT PEOPLE HAD CHALLENGES WITH AT LEAST PEOPLE THAT WHO WERE TALKING TO ME ALL THE TIME.
AS WE TALKED ABOUT AND IT TALKED ABOUT IT AS WELL.
I WANT TO GET TO THE FINISH LINE ON THIS AND I'M ALL FOR ALL OF THAT.
AGAIN, BACK TO MY POINT IS THAT I THINK 21,000 SQ FT IS ENOUGH TO DO EVERYTHING, SO LET'S LET'S DO IT.
>> I'M NOT PICKING ON YOU, PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT THAT WAY, BUT JUST FOR CONVERSATION SAKE, ARE YOU SAYING 21,000 IS YOUR IDEA OF THE RIGHT SIZE.
BECAUSE THE TERM RIGHT SIZED IS ONE OF THOSE CONCEPTS THAT WILL MEAN SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO YOU THAN ME.
I WOULD LOVE TO FIT ALL OF THE CITY OPERATIONS AND THE PD IN 6,000 SQ FT.
PERSONALLY, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO DO, BUT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE.
WHAT IS THE RIGHT SIZE? HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT THE RIGHT SIZE IS FOR YOU?
>> WHAT I WAS DOING IS I WAS USING THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE PUT TOGETHER.
I WAS USING THE ESTIMATE WAS OUT THERE FOR HAVING EVERYTHING IN ONE.
MY POINT BEING IS EVERYTHING IN ONE IS 21,000 SQ FT. WE ALL AGREE UPON THAT, WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT, FLUSHED IT 21,000 SQ FT. MY POINT IS WHATEVER THIS FACILITY IS HERE, IF YOU PUT IT HERE, IT COMES OUT OF THAT ONE.
THE WHOLE FOOTPRINT IS 21,000 SQ FT. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AND MY POINT BEING IS THAT I THINK WHAT I HEARD IS THAT IF IT ALL GOES DOWN THERE, THEN WE'RE STILL GOING TO USE THIS FACILITY.
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I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME SERIOUS BLOW BACK IN THE OVERALL SCOPE OF THINGS.MY POINT BEING IS THAT THAT'S WHERE I AM.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE SO SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, WE DECIDE WE'RE BUILDING THE 21,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT IS HERE AND WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING.
YOUR POSITION IS THEN THIS ONE GETS TOTALLY WIPED BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED 21,000 PLUS THIS ONE, WHETHER IT'D BE THE 45, 67 SQ FT OR THE LARGER SIZE WHICH I HAD THE NOTE PULLED UP HERE, WHAT IS IT? THE 73, 98 WHEN IT WAS EXPANDED.
YOU'RE SAYING DEMO THIS WHOLE BUILDING, THEN WE WORK OFF THE 21,000 SQ FT OR WE WORK OFF THE 21,000 SQ FT MINUS 7,000.
I'M GOING TO DO REALLY BAD MATH HERE AND SAY 13 BECAUSE IT'S EASY NUMBERS.
THEN YOU WANT THE BIG BUILDING TO BE 13,000 SQ FT AND THIS WOULDN'T BE THE 75 OR 79.
>> CAN I MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION.
ON THE PREVIOUS BOND ISSUE, WE DID HAVE A SEPARATE BUILDING ALSO.
SEPARATE COMMUNITY ROOM, WHICH IS ALMOST ABOUT.
>> THAT WAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING, THAT GOT SHUT DOWN RIGHT BEFORE [OVERLAPPING].
>> BUT I WAS JUST SAYING THAT WAS ALL PART OF THE BOND PACKAGE.
I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THE 20 PLUS THE 34.
>> YEAH, IT WAS ROUGHLY CUT TO THAT, WHICH I THINK THE RESIDENTS WERE PRETTY MUCH AGAINST AND COUNCIL SAID THAT EVEN IF IT PASSED, THAT MIGHT NOT GET DONE, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING IS 27.
IT WAS 24 [INAUDIBLE] THAT GOT MIXED, AND THEN WE WERE WORKING ON 22 [INAUDIBLE] 21.
>> PROPOSAL 24,000 WHICH INCLUDED THAT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, IT'S INTERESTING WHEN THIS ALL STARTED.
THIS BUILDING WASN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT.
IT WAS GONE, AND THEN I THINK IT WAS AMANDA AND JIM AND TERRY THAT SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS BUILDING DESTROYED.
NOW I'M HEARING, IF YOU DO THIS, YOU GOT TO GET RID OF THAT AND UNDERSTAND YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE ARGUMENT, BUT IN A WAY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE IF I CAN USE THIS BUILDING TO DO THE STORAGE AND DO MORE OF THE STORAGE, THEN I DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT IN THAT BUILDING, AND WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OUT BASED ON THAT ASSUMPTION.
>> I THINK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT USING THIS BUILDING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT BEING USED FOR ITS HIGHEST AND BEST USE, NOT FOR [OVERLAPPING] NOT FOR STORAGE.
IT'S EXPENSIVE TO HAVE A BUILDING LIKE THIS FOR STORAGE.
>> I THOUGHT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE USE OF THIS BUILDING IS WE WANTED TO USE IT FOR SOMETHING WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PUT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND WE'RE DOING THIS BUILDING, AND THAT'S WHERE THE STORAGE CAME UP, AND THAT IF WE NEEDED IT.
>> THAT WAS WHERE I THINK THAT OPTION CAME IN, AND I REMEMBER THE TERM, AND IF YOU CAN LOOK AT MY NOTES THAT ARE ONLINE THAT IT WAS FOR NON-CRITICAL ISSUES AND THE REASON THAT WAS ALL COMING UP MORE THAN NOT, WAS BECAUSE WE WERE STILL IN THE DILEMMA OF WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN LIED AND WHETHER THEY'RE STRUCTURALLY IT WAS SOUND OR THERE WAS WHAT ISSUES AND ALL THAT THING.
EVERYBODY WAS CONCERNED THAT, WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT FOR SOMETHING THAT IS FUNCTIONAL PART OF THE GOVERNMENT OF PARKER BECAUSE IT HAS ALL THESE CHALLENGES, BUT THEN IT TURNED OUT THAT THAT WAS NOT THE CASE AND THEN THAT FLEW THAT ALL OUT THE WINDOW, SO THEN WE WERE BACK TO SEE HOW WE COULD UTILIZE IT.
I THINK NOW WE'RE BACK TO LOOKING AT IT AS A STORAGE FACILITY AGAIN, AND THAT'S WHERE MAYBE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING HERE? IF WE CAN AGREE ON A BUILDING, A NEW BUILDING THAT WOULD HOUSE THE POLICE ADMINISTRATION, CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, I'M NOT SURE WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT THIS BUILDING IF IT'S USED FOR ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE.
WE HAVE A YEAR, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS TO MAKE THAT DECISION, SO TO SIT HERE AND ARGUE ABOUT WHAT THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO BE USED FOR DOWN THE ROAD.
WE'RE DISTRACTING FROM OUR MISSION, AND OUR MISSION IS TO GET A BOND PASSED AND A BUILDING BUILT AT HOPEFULLY SOONER THAN LATER.
>> HOWEVER, YOU'RE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE AUTOMATICALLY GOING WITH THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE, AND I'M NOT ON BOARD WITH THAT,
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A MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY TO ME.MAYBE NOT FOR YOU, BUT FOR ME A MILLION BUCKS IS A LOT OF MONEY.
THAT MILLION BUCKS TELLS ME THAT THIS BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO BE RECONSTRUCTED TO HOUSE THE POLICE FORCE, AND YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE WOULD TAKE IT ALL DOWN THERE AND THEN WHAT WE DO WITH THIS BUILDING IS OF NO CONSEQUENCE, BUT I THINK IT IS.
I WOULD RATHER SEE A CLEAN FACILITY WHERE ONE OF TWO, YOU EITHER HAVE IT DOWN THERE LIKE YOU'RE SUGGESTING, AND YOU GET RID OF THIS, AND OR YOU BRING THIS UP TO THE STANDARD THAT AS NEEDED WITH THE MONEY THAT'S REQUIRED TO CHANGE THE FACADE AND ALL THAT STUFF, SO IT ALL BLENDS TOGETHER.
>> WELL, MY ASSUMPTION, I'M DOING ONE BUILDING WAS BASED ON THE STAFF THAT WORKS THERE.
WE ASKED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY WOULD PREFER TO BE NEXT TO ADMINISTRATION.
THEY HAVE DAILY INTERACTION WITH ADMINISTRATION.
WE'VE ASKED ADMINISTRATION AND THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD RATHER BE NEXT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE THROWING A WRENCH INTO THE WHOLE THING, OUR RESIDENTS THAT REALLY DON'T.
>> ONLY, THEY ONLY PAY FOR IT.
>> THEY DO PAY FOR THE BUILDING, BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY DON'T PAY FOR THE BUILDING, BUT THEY DON'T SEE THE DAILY INTERACTION AND WORKFLOW, AND EVEN SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS DON'T.
>> WORKFLOW CAN BE EFFECTIVE IN TWO BUILDINGS VERSUS ONE.
YEAH, JUST AS EASILY AS ONE AND, YOU KNOW, TO TELL ME THAT IT'S WORTH SPENDING MORE OF THE RESIDENTS MONEY JUST SO THAT PEOPLE ARE CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER.
I STILL HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE AMOUNT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE NEED FOR OUR MONEY THAT YOU HAVE FOR OUR STREETS.
THAT IS THE OTHER ISSUE THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE WITH RESPECT TO PUTTING A BOND ON THE BALLOT.
BUT TO TELL ME THAT WE NEED TO PUT EVERYBODY IN ONE BUILDING.
>> YOU THINK YOUR OPINION IS MORE VALID THAN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE ADMINISTRATION? I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION.
>> NO. I RESPECT THAT THAT'S HOW THEY FEEL, BUT AS THE INTEREST IN MY OPINION OF THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE RESIDENTS, I WOULD SAY THIS IS HOW WE NEED TO ORGANIZE THE FACILITY AT THIS TIME.
POLICE DEPARTMENTS SO OFTEN ARE WAY IN A VERY DIFFERENT LOCATION THAN ADMINISTRATION.
IT'S A LOGICAL FACILITY STAFFING TO BE IN A DIFFERENT BUILDING AND YOU'RE NOT TALKING A BIG DISTANCE.
>> I JUST WANT A CLARIFICATION.
SORRY, MADAM MAYOR A CLARIFICATION.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU'RE TALKING SQUARE FOOTAGE PRICE, BOTH, NEITHER? WHAT DO YOU BECAUSE YOU SAID I DON'T KNOW THAT I AGREE WITH THE AMOUNT. AMOUNT OF WHAT?
>> WELL, THE AMOUNT OF THE BOND IS STILL AN ISSUE.
WE'RE TALKING LIKE EVERYBODY'S HAPPY.
WE AGREE THAT, WE CAN DO 21,000 AND WE'VE GOT TO $13 MILLION BOND, AND THEN YOU SAY, OOPS, BUT LET'S SEE, WHAT'S OUR DEBT CAPACITY?
>> NOW TERRY'S TALKING MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT I WAS POINTING EARLIER, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT TO PICK ON ANYBODY.
WE'VE GOT HALF OF OUR DIES PLAYING FOOTBALL, WHILE THE OTHER HALF IS PLAYING BASEBALL, IT'S LIKE WE NEED TO THIS SIDE, AND I TOTALLY AGREE.
WE NEED TO SAY, HERE'S HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GOING TO SPEND, AND LET'S GO BUILD WHAT WE CAN BUILD FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
THEN THERE'S SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WELL, BUT IF WE GET NINE MILLION DOLLAR, AND YOU'LL FIND LUMBER FOR 50 PERCENT OFF, SO YOU BUILD A BIGGER BUILDING.
THAT'S A NO, IT'S THE PRICE, AND LET'S DO WHAT WE CAN DO FOR THE PRICE.
>> I'D LOVE THAT BIGGER BUILDING.
>> ABSOLUTELY. EVERYBODY, THERE'S NOBODY IN HERE WHO LOOKS AT THEIR HOUSE AND GOES, I HAVE JUST THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEY WOULDN'T LIKE TO ADD A BUILDER CAME TODAY AND SAID, I'M GOING TO ADD 3,000 SQUARE FEET TO YOUR HOUSE.
THERE'S VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO GOT NO, DON'T DO THAT FOR FREE. THAT'D BE CRAZY.
>> NO, THERE'S NO COMPLAINT BUT BUT TALKING ABOUT THE BASEBALL, FOOTBALL, I'M WITH YOU 100 PERCENT.
MY WHOLE IDEA HERE IS THAT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I WANT TO HAVE THE MOST BANG FOR MY BUCK FOR WHAT OUR DEBT CAPACITY IS.
IT'S ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING IT.
I WASN'T PLAYING BASEBALL, I WAS STILL PLAYING FOOTBALL.
I WANTED TO GET THAT THING TO BE AS SMALL AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE WILL BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE WITH THE USE OF THE CAPITAL THAT WE HAVE TO GET.
IF WE WANT TO GO OFF OF ANY OF THAT, THEN I'M ALL IN WITH WHAT'S THE DEBT CAPACITY.
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>> WE'VE ALL SAT THROUGH BUDGET. WE'VE LOOKED THROUGH THAT.
WE'VE LOOKED THROUGH OUR EXPENDITURES.
WE JUST CUT TAX RATE, NOT TAXES BUT TAX RATE.
WHAT DO YOU FEEL THAT OUR DEBT CAPACITY? IS IT THAT I WOULD ASK THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I'M TALKING AMERICAN FOOTBALL, BUT NOT THE WHOLE SOCCER THING [LAUGHTER].
>> AGREE WITH IT. NO COUNCIL MEMBER IS GOING TO HOLD YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS NUMBER, BUT THIS GIVES US A GAZE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHETHER WE ARE WAY OUTSIDE OR IF THIS BUILDING AS PROPOSED BASED ON THIS PRICES IS WITHIN OUR DEBT CAPACITY.
I WOULD SAY 13 MILLION IS WITHIN DEBT CAPACITY
>> NOW WE'VE FIGURED OUT THAT IT'S WITHIN OUR DEBT CAPACITY ROUGHLY.
WE WOULD WANT CLARIFICATION OBVIOUSLY.
I WOULD THEN POSE THE QUESTION NEXT.
IF WE'RE WITHIN OUR DEBT CAPACITY, WHAT'S THE MAGIC NUMBER? WHAT'S THE NUMBER THAT AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU'RE LIKE, I AM 100 PERCENT ON BOARD WITH THIS.
THE CITY NEEDS IT, LET'S SPEND IT.
BECAUSE I THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE THAT IF SOMEBODY BROUGHT US THIS BUILDING AND SAID IT IS SIX MILLION DOLLARS, BUT WE GET A DEMO THIS, WE'D BE LIKE, WHERE DO WE SIGN? LET'S GET THIS THING GOING, WE'LL GO OUT AND CAMPAIGN IT, MAYBE NOT.
>> YOU'VE MENTIONED THE DEBT CAPACITY OF BEING SAY 13 MILLION OR THAT 13 MILLION WOULD BE WITHIN OUR DEBT CAPACITY.
IF I COME TO YOU AND TELL YOU I NEED $10 MILLION FOR STREETS TOMORROW, AM I STILL IN MY DEBT CAPACITY?
>> ALSO, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DEBT CAPACITY, WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT WITH THE EXISTING TAX RATE THAT WE HAVE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, NO, OF COURSE NOT.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE GOING TO RAISE OUR TAX RATE BY A X AMOUNT, THEN I WOULD SAY, YES.
ADD $10 MILLION MORE DOLLARS IN THERE.
BUT WITH INTEREST RATES ALSO, AS PER FINANCIAL ADVISOR FOR RATES, FOR THE ESTIMATE, IT'S SAYING IT'S MORE IMPORTANT [INAUDIBLE] WOULD BE HIS ESTIMATE MADE.
WE WERE BELOW 40 A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO [INAUDIBLE] SO A LOT OF MOVING PARTS RIGHT NOW THAT WE GOING TO SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THAT.
>> ONE THING WE HAVEN'T DONE WITH THIS ALSO IS, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ENGINEERED DESIGN FOR THIS BUILDING.
THIS IS JUST DRAWN ON PAPER. WE DON'T KNOW.
A LOT OF THINGS CAN HAPPEN, [OVERLAPPING] STRUCTURALLY, THINGS THAT WOULDN'T WORK WITH THIS OR SOMETHING NOW, ONCE WE GET IT ENGINEERED.
WE'VE JUST SCRATCHED THE SURFACE, WE'RE NOT EVEN FALLING TO THIS.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ABOUT 10 PERCENT JUST IN ENGINEERING COST ALONE.
THAT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT A MILLION BUCKS.
>> WHAT WE NEED IS THE VOTER'S APPROVAL SO THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD AND GET THE REST OF THE INFORMATION LIKE ENGINEERING AND SOME OF THAT THAT WE CANNOT DO WITHOUT VOTERS APPROVAL.
IT'S WHICH COMES FIRST THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG.
>> I THINK WE HAVE BEEN AT THIS PROCESS FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
I HAVE BEEN HERE AND THIS WILL BE MY FOURTH YEAR AND I'VE DONE ALL FOUR YEARS AT THIS WITH THIS FACILITY ISSUE.
I'M NOT MINIMIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF IT, BUT I THINK THERE HAS TO BE A DO OR DIE DATE, EITHER WE DO IT OR WE DON'T.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MORE FACILITY MEETINGS, HOW MANY MORE WORKSHOPS, AND HOW MANY MORE MEETINGS AFTER MEETINGS DO WE NEED TO GET TO THAT SWEET SPOT? I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT WE EVER WILL BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE AGAINST IT, AND THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT ARE FOR IT.
I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO COME TO ME AND ASK ME, WHY CAN'T YOU GUYS, YOU WERE ELECTED, WHY CAN'T YOU JUST MAKE A DECISION LIKE EVERY OTHER CITY DOES? I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL LIVE TO SEE THE BUILDING [LAUGHTER] EVER OR MY GRANDKIDS WILL.
BUT I SAY THAT HALF AND JUST, BUT IT'S SERIOUS BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF COUNCIL'S TIME, A LOT OF RESIDENCE TIME, WE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN INVOLVING EVERYBODY'S INPUT.
HOURS LONG MEETINGS HAVE GONE ON TO LIKE 9, 10 AT NIGHT ON THIS.
I THINK AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO COME TO A DECISION AS A COUNCIL. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?
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>> AT THE SAME TOKEN THOUGH, I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
I COULD BE VOTED OFF OR WHATEVER HAPPENS AND NOT BE PART OF THE PROCESS AFTER MY TWO YEARS HERE.
BUT I'M NOT JUST GOING TO ROLL OVER AND RELENT BECAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THERE WERE TWO THINGS, AND AGAIN, BACK TO THE FOOTBALL BASEBALL ANALOGY.
THE FOOTBALL PART OF THE COST WAS DEFINITELY A HUGE PIECE OF IT, BUT THE SIZE WAS A PIECE OF IT ALSO.
MY POINT BEING IS THAT, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION NO ONE ON HERE EXCEPT FOR MYSELF MAY AGREE WITH THIS, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE IN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT NOVEL IDEAS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE, LET'S BE AS EFFICIENT AS WE CAN WITH THE SPACE, LET'S TRY TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE IT AS SMALL AS POSSIBLE.
I WAS THROWING OUT THE 20,000 THING BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOME VETTING THAT'S GONE THROUGH THAT TO GET TO THIS POINT.
BUT MY POINT OF THIS IS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE SOME OF WHAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED FROM THE CONSTITUENTS OF OUR CITY.
THAT'S WHY WE WERE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO REPRESENT THEM.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TAKE SOME OF THIS INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE GO DO IT.
AGAIN, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IF THIS FACILITY IS EXISTING, THEN I WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE UPKEEP, WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN, AND WHAT ARE THE OTHER THINGS? LET'S LOOK, LET'S HAVE SOME VISION ON HERE OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED.
WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED.
THAT HAS TO GO INTO THE WHAT CAN WE ACCEPT FOR COSTING? I THINK THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF, MICHAEL, TERRY, OTHERS THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY, ARE LOOKING AT IT AND THEY'RE GOING LIKE, THIS CAN BE TRIMMED.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY WAFER FABS, YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU DO HUNDREDS THEM.
THESE WAFER FAB PROJECTS ARE WAY BIGGER.
THESE ARE LIKE BILLION-DOLLAR PROJECTS.
I'M TELLING YOU THEY START AT A CERTAIN LEVEL AND THEY GET CUT DOWN.
WHEN WE'RE IN BUDGET MEETINGS AND WE'RE DOING THIS KIND OF STUFF.
IT IS WAY MORE TERSE THAN ANY OF THESE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN.
IT GETS KNOCKED DOWN AND THEY MAKE IT HAPPEN AND IT WORKS.
THAT'S MY POINT, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE SEEING AND I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
>> THAT GOES BACK TO, WHICH ONE DO WE WANT TO TACKLE? GENERALLY, YOU TACKLE THE BUDGET FIRST, YOU DETERMINE WHAT IS COMFORTABLE AND THEN WE FIT IT, AND WE GET WHAT WE GET BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS DO AND WE DON'T GO BACK TO THEM BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE A PART OF IT.
I'M GOING TO SAY I'M ALWAYS IMPRESSED BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TOPICS THAT RESIDENTS COME OUT.
I LOOK AT THE AUDIENCE AND MOST OF THESE RESIDENTS HAVE COME TO A GOOD MAJORITY OF THESE MEETINGS. THEY'RE VOCAL.
THE BEAUTIFUL THING IS DIANA BRINGS UP HOPEFULLY, IT'S DONE WITHIN OUR LIFETIMES.
BUT AS LONG AS IT IS AND WE HAVE A VOICE AND WE CAN SPEAK, TECHNICALLY, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR OPINIONS ON THIS MATTERS JUST AS MUCH AS THE OTHER AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US MATTERS JUST AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY OUT THERE.
BECAUSE I'LL JUST GET THE ONE VOTE.
UNLESS YOU FIGURED OUT SOME OTHER WAY TO VOTE MULTIPLE TIMES.
[LAUGHTER] BUT THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION.
MY THOUGHT IS THE PRICE HAS TO BE THE MAIN FOCUS WHICH IS THE BIG POINT.
ONCE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE SPENDING, WE GET WHAT WE GET BECAUSE WE COULD REDESIGN THIS TODAY AND I COULD CUT AND CUT, THROW OUT A CRAZY NUMBER, I CAN GET AT 14,000 FEET.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE DAY OF BUILDING, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO.
MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY.
THAT'S ONE THING WE 100 PERCENT AGREE ON.
EVEN IN A SCOPE OF A 10 MILLION DOLLAR BUILDING, $1 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY. IT'S 10 PERCENT.
MY ISSUE WITH THAT, WHAT I WOULD BRING, AND WHY I WANTED THAT PRICE TO REDO THIS BUILDING, THIS IS AN OLDER SITE.
NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, LIPSTICK ON A PIG, IT IS AN OLDER SITE.
WHATEVER WE BUDGET FOR UPKEEP, WE WILL BLOW IT OUT OF THE WATER BECAUSE IT'S AN OLDER BUILDING.
THERE'LL BE PARTS OF THIS BUILDING THAT ARE SALVAGED.
UNLESS WE GO GROUND DOWN AND WE BUILD ON A 50-YEAR-OLD SLAB OR HOWEVER OLD IT IS, AND BUILD OUR WAY UP, THERE IS GOING TO BE PARTS OF THIS BUILDING THAT ARE OLDER.
THE UPKEEP WILL ALWAYS BE MORE ON THIS THAN A NEWER BUILDING.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY LIFE GOES.
THERE WILL BE SURPRISES WHEN WE OPEN WALLS.
I DON'T CARE THE CONTINGENCY HE PUT IN HERE, IT COULD BE ENOUGH, IT MIGHT NOT BE, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO.
THAT'S THE PRICE I THINK, I CARE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
I AGREE. I THINK THAT WAS A BIG STICKING POINT.
I CARE MORE ABOUT HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST US.
WE DO WHAT WE CAN DO WHEN WE GET TO THAT STAGE BECAUSE THIS WILL BE A MOVING PROJECT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE LAST NAIL GOING IN AND THE LAST COAT OF PAINT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
DISCUSSING, WE MOVED OFF OF IT THANKFULLY, BUT WE EVEN STARTED CONVERSATIONS ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF FLOORING AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF PAINTS AND WE ARE WAY TOO PREMATURE FOR THAT.
I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF IT.
I JUST THINK WE'VE ALL GOT TO GET ON ONE PLAYING FIELD, TACKLE THAT, THEN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT.
THAT'S HOW YOU GET A PROJECT DONE.
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OTHERWISE, THIS BECOMES HOME RULE OR ANY OF THE OTHERS THAT JUST GO ON FOREVER AND NEVER HAPPEN.TERRY, I'M GOING TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT.
I FEEL LIKE I'M STARTING TO OVERTAKE THIS.
I'M GOING TO LET ANYBODY ELSE SPEAK AND STAY QUIET.
BUT I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE ROADS.
I FEEL LIKE SO MANY OTHER PROJECTS IN THE CITY ARE BEING NEGLECTED BECAUSE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE A RENTED BUILDING OUT THERE, WE HAVE THIS BUILDING.
I DON'T AGREE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE BASED ON WHERE WE ARE.
I THINK I HEARD THAT FROM SOMEBODY AND I MIGHT BE TOTALLY WRONG.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE AT OUR CURRENT FOOTPRINT OF WHAT WE'VE GOT, BUT I ALSO I HATE RENTING.
IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY AND WE HAVE A TRAILER SITTING OUT THERE THAT WE RENT FOR OUR PD.
CAN THEY OPERATE SEPARATELY? YES. IS IT POSSIBLY SLIGHTLY MORE EFFICIENT FOR THEM TO BE TOGETHER? YES. THAT CAN ALL BE A DECISION WE MAKE WHEN WE DETERMINED HOW MUCH WE WANT TO SPEND.
BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE FORCED TO DO A DECISION WHEN WE DETERMINE HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO SPEND.
>> [INAUDIBLE] SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DECIDED.
>> WHY DON'T WE GET THE NUMBERS FIRST? WHAT WOULD 10 MILLION, 11 MILLION, 12 MILLION, 15 MILLION, GIVE US SOME NUMBERS AND THE COST AND BREAK IT DOWN BY COST PER THOUSAND ON THE TAX ASSESSMENT, THAT TYPE OF THING, SOMETHING THAT'S MEANINGFUL TO THE RESIDENTS AND MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS, DISCUSS THOSE, AND THEN MODIFY OR DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
IF THAT'S THE DRIVING FORCE, TO ME, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, BUT I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO LOOK LONG TERM BECAUSE I WOULD FEEL TERRIBLE IF THIS COUNCIL 20 YEARS FROM NOW IS SITTING IN THE SAME SEATS WE'RE SITTING AND DISCUSSING WHY WE NEED MORE SPACE. [LAUGHTER]
>> I DON'T WANT DIANA'S GRANDKIDS THAT ARE SITTING ON COUNCIL GOING LOOK AT WHAT GRANDMA DID HERE WITH MAKING THIS DECISION. I AGREE.
I GIVE THE SAME ARGUMENT AND I'VE STUCK BY THIS SINCE DAY 1.
THE THING THAT I WILL NEVER SUPPORT IS BRINGING ME A PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO LAST FOR 10 YEARS WHEN WE TAKE OUT A 20-YEAR BOND AND IF ANYBODY DISAGREES WITH THAT, I WOULD SAY FINE.
THE NEXT TIME YOU LOOK AT IT, CONSIDER THIS, WHEN YOU BUY A CAR, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT A SIX-YEAR NOTE, BUT THAT CAR IS ONLY GOING TO LAST A YEAR.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE PAYING ON IT FOR THE ADDITIONAL FIVE, NOT HAVING ANYTHING? BECAUSE IT WILL BE A COMPOUNDED DEBT, WHICH MAKES NO SENSE.
BUT I THINK WE CAN HIT THAT IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS NON-DISPUTABLE, ONGOING, THIS IS HOW MUCH IT IS BECAUSE WE MIGHT LOVE ALL OF THIS AND COME IN AND GO, WELL, THIS IS ALL THAT WE'RE WILLING TO SPEND, THIS IS ALL THE SUPPORT WE CAN GET.
WE GOT TO BUILD WHAT WE CAN BUILD OR DECIDE IF THE NUMBER IS TOO LOW THAT WE'RE DONE BECAUSE I'M REALLY PERSONALLY AT THAT POINT IN MY ELECTED OFFICIAL CAREER IS EITHER WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING OR WE NEED TO MOVE ON AND ADDRESS SOMETHING ELSE AND IT IS WHAT IT IS.
BUT I'M TIRED OF WASTING THE RESIDENCE TIME THAT COME IN.
I'M TIRED OF NEGLECTING PROJECTS FOR THIS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOMENT OF DECISION ON THIS AND IF THAT'S THE MONEY THEN WE HAVE TO DECIDE ON THE MONEY FACTOR, GET A DECISION, STICK TO IT BECAUSE THAT'S A NON-CHANGING FACTOR AND MOVE FORWARD.
>> TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT WE'VE LOWERED THE TAX RATE SO WE ARE LOSING FUTURE REVENUE.
>> IF THE VALUES GO DOWN, WHATEVER IT IS, IT DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT ON WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD FOR THE FUTURE.
I DON'T WANT TO RAISE THE TAX RATE.
>> I DON'T EITHER, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR GOING FORWARD WITH THAT.
IF WE SPEND THAT TODAY, DO WE HAVE THE DEBT SERVICE FOR $10 MILLION FOR ROADS? I'M GOING TO SAY NOT BEING A FINANCIAL PERSON, PROBABLY NOT, THE TAXPAYERS WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY. THAT'S WHY I NEVER AGREED WITH SAYING THIS WASN'T GOING TO COST ANYTHING.
ABSOLUTELY, IT COST SOMETHING, IT COMES OUT OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS.
EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY DOES COST SOMETHING EVEN IF IT'S ALREADY IN YOUR TAX RATE, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE COSTS.
IF WE HAD A MASSIVE CATASTROPHE OF THE STORM THAT DID 50 MILLION IN DAMAGE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE DEBT SERVICE COVERED FOR THAT EITHER, BUT WE GOT TO FIGURE IT OUT, MOVE ON.
THAT'S PART OF RUNNING A CITY.
>> ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT, AMANDA DID A NICE JOB OF JUST LOOKING THROUGH THE ANALYSIS, THE ESTIMATE, AND I APPRECIATE HER TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE SHE'S
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GOT MORE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT BUILDING AND THINGS.WHILE I AGREE THAT THIS IS AN OLDER BUILDING, THE COST THAT SEEM TO BE IN HERE SEEM TO BE VERY CONSERVATIVE.
THEY PUT PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IN HERE AND THINGS THAT IT APPEARS ARE THINGS THAT AS BEFORE YOU GET INTO IT, BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY DO THE CONTRACTING, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY DO SOME FURTHER INVESTIGATION OF YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF IT'S FOR SITE FOR WORK.
>> WHEN HE CAME OUT AND DIDN'T COMPLETE SITE REVIEW.
>> BUT THERE MAY BE OTHER OPTIONS TO SOLVE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS THAT ARE IN THE NUMBERS AS YOU LOOK AT THE DETAILS.
>> THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY TOO THAT TERRY, IS I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE SO CONSERVATIVE THAT WE GIVE A FALSE PICTURE.
I WOULD ALWAYS RATHER BE CONCEPTUAL MEANS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT YOU ANTICIPATE.
YOU DON'T WANT TO RUN INTO THAT NOW, COULD WE STILL RUN INTO OVERAGES? YES. I LOOKED THROUGH I DIDN'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF LOOKING AT THAT BEFORE SHE PRESENTED THAT YOU GAVE TO HER TO PRESENT TONIGHT, THAT SHE SHARED WITH YOU, BUT I LOOKED THROUGH MOST OF THESE AND THERE WAS NOTHING ON HERE IN MY EXPERIENCE THAT WAS JUST SO OUTLANDISH THAT I WENT OUT AND UP ALL OF THAT CATEGORY IS GOING TO BE CUT IF WE SAVED IT.
DO I THINK THAT THERE ARE AREAS THAT MIGHT LOSE 10 PERCENT OR WE MIGHT SAY YES, BUT I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO ABATE ON THE FACT THAT ALL OF THIS WON'T BE DONE UNTIL THAT OTHER BUILDINGS DONE? THAT'S IF WE DID IT TODAY, SAY THREE OR FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE COSTS ARE.
IT'S TRYING TO GIVE THAT BASIS OF PLANNING. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
>> THE WHOLE PROBLEM WAS, IS YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THAT BUILDING FIRST BACK THERE, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT 18 MONTHS TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU EVEN START ON THIS BUILDING.
SO THEN YOU'VE GOT TO INCREASE COSTS AT THAT POINT.
I TOLD HIM TO GO MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.
WE'RE NOT GOING HARD MARBLE COUNTERTOPS.
WE'RE DOING VINYL FLOORING, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SPEND A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY HERE.
WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LINE, STUFF BUILDING.
WE'VE ASKED HIM, LOOK AT BUILDING MATERIALS THAT WILL LAST FOR THE BOND 20 YEARS.
>> WELL AND THE OTHER THING IN THIS, SOMEHOW THE SIZE OF THIS BUILDING ENDED UP 7,300 SQUARE FEET WHEN THEY CAN DO IT AT 6,500 SQUARE FEET IN THE NEW BUILDING.
THERE'S QUESTIONS OF CAN SOME OF THIS COME OUT, SOME OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IT SEEMS COULD POSSIBLY EVEN COME OUT OF THIS, MAKING THIS EVEN LOWER.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE ON ONE OF THE EARLIER MEETINGS WHERE SOMEBODY SAID ADD 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE HE CAME UP WITH ROUGHLY 28 BASED ON A SOLID LINE WALLED.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ADD EVERYTHING MINUS THREE FEET OFF THE END BECAUSE WHEN YOU GOT THERE WE ADJUST.
>> WHEN HE LOOKED AT IT, HE'S ACTUALLY THE ENGINEER.
HE LOOKED AT THAT AND HE HAD TO ADD THE EXTRA 300 FEET BECAUSE THINGS WEREN'T LINING UP.
HE ACTUALLY DID A LITTLE SCHEMATIC HIMSELF.
SO HE HAD AN ADDITIONAL 300 FEET ON TOP OF THE 2,500.
>> GENERALLY, ENGINEERS MAKE SURE IT'S SOUND, ARCHITECTS MAKE SURE IT'S PRETTY AND NO OFFENSE TO THE ARCHITECT IN THE ROOM, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
[LAUGHTER] SO HE MAKES IT SOUND AND PRETTY SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S THE IDEA.
WHEN YOU HAVE THAT, I UNDERSTAND.
I DO AGREE THAT YOU PROBABLY IN TODAY'S WORLD, COULD GET SOME OF THIS DONE CHEAPER.
I JUST DON'T WANT THE FALSE PERCEPTION IN MY OPINION BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IT, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME.
AGAIN, THE TRUST WILL BE WHAT THE TRUSTS ARE, THE SUPPORTS WILL BE WHAT THE SUPPORTS ARE.
THE CONCRETE WORK WILL BE WHERE THE CONCRETE WORK IS EVEN IF WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND IT, IT JUST IT IS WHAT IT IS.
IT'D BE THE SAME AS BUILDING THIS AND GOING, WELL, WE ONLY WANT THREE OF THE FOUR WALLS.
IT JUST BECOMES A BASIS OF IT IS WHAT IT IS.
>> ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL ALSO HAVE THE EMERGENCY COMMAND CENTER AND THE HARD ROOM OR THERE, SOME OF THAT IS FOR PROTECTION OF OUR EMPLOYEES IN A SITUATION YOU DON'T WANT EMPLOYEES RUNNING FROM THE WATER TOWER DOWN HERE TO BE PROTECTED IN THE MIDDLE OF A TORNADO.
THAT'S PROBABLY JUST MY BACKGROUND THAT MAKES ME THINK OF THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> BUT THERE'S THE OTHER ARGUMENT ALSO IS THAT HAVING YOUR PUBLIC FACILITIES TOGETHER,
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POLICE FORCE AND THE PDE IS RIGHT NEXT TO ONE ANOTHER, THAT'S CONVENIENT AS WELL.SO THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THERE.
>> I'M STILL GOING TO STAND BY COST WILL DECIDE FOR US, IF WE SET A COST I THINK ALL OTHER DECISIONS IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
I FEEL LIKE THAT IS ONE THING THAT EVERYBODY HERE HAS BEEN FAIRLY UNANIMOUS ABOUT, COST AS A DRIVING FACTOR.
IF COST IS A DRIVING FACTOR THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE ON, THAT WILL TELL US WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AT THE END OF THE DAY.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A [INAUDIBLE] ON THAT.
IS IT RIGHT TO FACTOR, WITH THE LENGTH OF THE USEFULNESS OF THAT BUILDING SO WE CAN DO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO LAST US 10 YEARS AND WE'LL BE BACK HERE, I WON'T, BUT OTHER PEOPLE WILL.
WE WANT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO CARRY THE CITY AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS IN OUR LIFETIME.
THAT'S WHY IF WE COME TO IT, THE COST IS SO PROHIBITIVE AND WE CAN'T AGREE ON A NUMBER THAT WE CAN GET A BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO LAST US THAT LONG.
YOU WON'T HEAR ME VOICE IN FAVOR OF SAID BUILDING BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S GOING TO BE IT, AND IF WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.
I ALSO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE IN MARKETING BEING A BUSINESS OWNER AND I KNOW THAT WAS YOUR BACKGROUND.
IF I TRY TO MARKET TO A TAXPAYER, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS NEW BUILDING. WILL YOU PROVE THAT? YES. WELL, ALSO TAX RATE IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO UP TO ON A SEPARATE LINE ITEM.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PASS THAT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'VE LOST THAT BATTLE.
SO IT HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE AS WE ARE TODAY.
IF WE DON'T HIT THAT, I DON'T SEE A PATH FORWARD.
IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT LASTS THE TERM OF THE BOND, THAT WE CAN AGREE ON AS AFFORDABLE TODAY.
I DON'T SEE US HAVING ANYTHING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
>> WE AGREE EXCEPT THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A CHANGE BECAUSE POLICE CAN'T STAY IN THAT DOUBLE-WIDE FOREVER.
>> WELL, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE USE THE MONEY FOR AND WE JUST START SPOTTING BUILDINGS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
WE'RE GOING TO FIND A DEPARTMENT WE'LL TELL POLICE DEPARTMENT ONCE THE SPOT BUILDING IS EVERYWHERE.
>> AGAIN WATER TOWERS GOT THE ROOM UNDERNEATH. I DON'T KNOW. [LAUGHTER]
>> I DON'T KNOW, IT'S FULL STORAGE.
>> YOU DON'T MIND THAT. [LAUGHTER]
>> COUNCIL, WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT THE NEXT STEP TO BE?
>> I GUESS WE NEED TO ASK GRANT WHAT'S IN OUR BUDGETARY CAPACITY GOING FORWARD WITHOUT RAISING THE TAX RATE.
>> WE ARE IN A LITTLE BIT OF FUN.
FIRST DAY IF THEY CALL UP THIS WAS GOING TO BE BROKEN MAY BEFORE ELECTION.
EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO CALL THE ELECTION BY FEBRUARY THE 17TH.
IT'S PRETTY QUICK TURN AROUND.
AS FAR AS NUMBERS, OBVIOUSLY DON'T REACH OUT WITH THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND SEE WHAT THEIR PROJECTIONS ARE.
PROBABLY A LITTLE EARLY PROJECTIONS FOR THIS NEXT YEAR ON VALUES AND STUFF.
TYPICALLY THEY DON'T SKIP THAT TOP OF THE CERTAIN INFORMATION, MAY, MARCH.
>> WE ALSO GOT LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT THERE HAS BEEN TALKS.
>> I'LL DO MY BEST ON NUMBERS.
YOU TOLD ME YOU WANT THIS INFORMATION AT THE END OF THIS MONTH [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE WANT AN ACCURATE PICTURE.
I DON'T WANT TO RUSH IT. IS THERE A RUSH FOR ANYTHING TO GO ON THE MAY? ANYBODY HERE TO GO ON THE MAY BALLOT? OR CAN WE WAIT TILL WHATEVER [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHEN YOU CAME ON COUNCIL, WE TOLD PEOPLE WE WERE GOING TO BE WORKING ON THE NEW FACILITY AND WE MISS TO GET OUT ON THAT BALLOT, BUT WE'D GET IT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
WELL, THEN NO, WE DIDN'T DO THAT.
WE SAID, I'M SORRY, WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE.
WE'RE GETTING CLOSER, SO WE WILL DO IT ON THE NEXT BALLOT.
AT WHAT POINT IN TIME DO YOU STOP TELLING PEOPLE THAT OR DO PEOPLE STOP BELIEVING YOU BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
>> YOU START TO BE THE PARENT THAT SAYS I'LL THINK ABOUT IT.
>> WELL, LET ME MAKE IT WORSE.
IN 2005, I BELIEVE IT WAS, THE PEOPLE WERE PROMISED A NEW FACILITY FOR POLICE AND ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE THE CITIZENS APPROVED ALL OF THAT ALONG WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND FOR WHATEVER REASONS THEY ONLY BUILT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE'VE GOT EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING,
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WE'VE GOT RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING.AT SOME POINT, IF YOU GOT TO MAKE A DECISION, IT'S GOT TO STOP. I'M SORRY.
>> I 100 PERCENT AGREE WITH MYER ON ALL OF THAT, WHAT I WILL SAY IS [INAUDIBLE] BEFORE THEY VOTED IT DOWN, HOWEVER THEY DID, THE NEXT THING WE DO, IT'LL BE THEIR CHOICE.
IF THEY CHOOSE, NO, THEN THEY'RE TELLING ME THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING, SO WE LEAVE IT BE.
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL GET ANYWHERE ELSE.
GRANT, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT IT AND MAYBE IT WAS JUST ME.
I WANT TO KNOW AS OF TODAY AS WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN OUR TAX COFFERS, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE NOT A PROJECTION OF WHAT NEXT YEAR MIGHT BE.
BECAUSE HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WIN SOME APPEALS WHEN THEY GO TO APPEAL THEIR TAXES.
[OVERLAPPING] WELL, AND I GOT NOTICE ACTUALLY ON MY PERSONAL HOUSE.
I FILED FOR PROTESTS ON OUR TAXES.
WE'VE ALREADY CERTIFIED WE SET OUR BUDGETS, WE'VE GOT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, I GOT NOTICE THAT MY HEARING IS COMING UP, AND SO I CALLED AND ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THAT TO GO, WAIT, I'VE ALREADY PAID MY TAXES AND THEY SAID, OH, WELL, YOU'LL GET A REFUND.
WELL, IF I'M GOING TO GET A REFUND, THOUGH, I PROBABLY WON'T BE A LARGE CHECK.
I'M ASSUMING THERE'S OTHER RESIDENTS HERE WHO HAVE ALSO FILED PROTESTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH OUR CITY BUDGET? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO EAT THAT REFUND TOO?
>> THE ONES THAT WERE STILL BEING PROTESTED, MORE TECHNICALLY INTO CONSIDERATION ON THE FINAL APPRAISAL NUMBERS.
>> THAT'S GOOD NEWS BECAUSE THAT MADE ME SWEAT A LITTLE BIT, WONDERING HOW THAT WAS GOING TO WORK OUT AS FAR AS THOSE HAVING TO WRITE A CHECK.
BUT TO ME, TODAY IS WHAT I CARE ABOUT, NOT WHAT IS PROJECTED IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE.
WE KNOW WHAT MONEY WE HAVE TODAY AND THAT'S NOT.
I'M AFRAID IF WE LOOK AT ANYTHING PROJECTION THAT BECOMES THE NEW DEBATABLE TOPIC ON WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
TODAY WE KNOW WHAT THEY GAVE US AS FAR AS OUR PROJECTIONS FOR WHAT OUR TAX REVENUES WOULD BE FOR 2022 THAT WE MOVE INTO THIS BUDGET THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN.
TO ME, I THINK WE USE THOSE NUMBERS INSTEAD OF PROJECTIONS.
>> IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT?
>> I'M FINE WITH THAT. I'M THINKING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME DRAWBACK ON HOUSING THE NEXT YEAR.
I THINK A FLAT ASSUMPTION IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR WILL PROBABLY BE A GOOD ASSUMPTION.
>> THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE OPERATE OFF OF, IS DON'T LOOK FOR THE PIE IN THE SKY, LOOK AT TODAY.
THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE IS A TRUE COUNCIL MEMBER, MYER BROUGHT IT UP, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD METRIC, IS THE COST PER THOUSAND OUT OF THE TAX RATE THAT THIS WILL END UP COSTING AS WELL IF WE GO, I DON'T UPSET SOME NUMBERS $7, 8, 9, 10, 11 MILLION.
WHAT IS THAT COMING OUT OF OUR TAX RATE SO THAT WE HAVE A GOOD FOR OUR DEBT SERVICE PORTION.
WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THAT'S COSTING PER CAPITA ON A HOUSE.
>> ON TOP OF IT HE'LL BE NICE TO HAVE MAYBE IF YOU KNOW WHAT THE 10 MILLION NUMBER IS, THEN YOU CAN ADD THAT FOR WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO FOR.
>> OR ANY OTHER PROJECT THAT MIGHT COME UP IS $10 BILLION.
WE HAVE THAT COFFER OUTSIDE OF OUR COFFERS THAT HAVE MONEY AS WELL.
>> DO YOU THINK YOU COULD GET THAT INFORMATION IN TIME FOR COUNCIL TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS CAN GO ON THE MAY BALLOT?
>> YEAH, [INAUDIBLE] THEY SAID THAT THEY NEED A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO DRAW THE BOND ORDINANCE SO OF ALL THIS [INAUDIBLE] SO LONG AS WE HAD IT BY PROBABLY THIS MONTH FEBRUARY 17TH.
>> IN THAT MAYOR, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THIS BECOMES A SPECIAL MEETING AND NOT A REGULAR COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS SO THAT WE CAN GIVE IT'S DUE ATTENTION WHEN WE DEBATE IT.
SO WE NOT RUSHED BY 18,000 OTHER AGENDAS.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT. NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
GRANT I KNOW YOU WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OUTSIDE AUDIT.
DO YOU HAVE TIME TO DO THIS OR WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US TO HELP YOU DO THIS?
>> I CAN GET IT TOGETHER. A LITTLE BIT ON OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR AS WELL.
THEY'LL CREATE ONE THAT RUNS NOW WAS FORMING GROUPS.
WHAT DO PROJECTS FOR INTEREST RATES AND ALL THAT.
THAT WILL BE PRETTY CLOSER FOR ALL [INAUDIBLE] THAT SHOULD BE OKAY.
>> THEN I HAVE A QUESTION, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET PRE-CLEARANCE TO THE THE AG'S OFFICE.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT BEFORE AN ORDINATES CAME BEFORE.
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DO YOU WANT US TO TALK TO THE AG'S OFFICE TO GET LANGUAGE.>> DOES THAT COST? IT'S JUST OUR BOND COUNCIL WITH US WITH THE AG'S OFFICE.
>> DO WE HAVE A BALLPARK OF WHAT THAT WOULD RUN?
>> WE TYPICALLY RUN ROLL THAT INTO THE BOND ISSUANCE.
>> IF THE BOND DOESN'T ISSUE THEN WE DON'T PAY?
>> THEN I DON'T SEE ANY NEGATIVE TO ASK.
>> IF SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO DO WORK ON A CONTINGENCY, I HAVE NO CONCERNS WITH THAT.
>> I DON'T WANT US TO GET BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL BECAUSE I KNOW THAT TOOK A COUPLE OF WEEKS LAST TIME TO GET SCHEDULED ON THERE.
>> ON WHAT GETS PRE-CLEARED THROUGH THE AG'S OFFICE.
IS THIS THE DISCLOSURE WITH THIS TALK ABOUT NUMBERS OF BUILDINGS AND STUFF.
>> YOU'D HAVE TO RUN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LANGUAGES BY THEM. YES.
>> TYPICALLY, ANYTIME THE CITY GETS READY TO GO OUT FOR BOND, WE TALK TO THE AG'S OFFICE TO FIND OUT IF WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING IS LEGAL OR NOT LEGAL OR HOW DO WE WANT IT? THEY LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT WE SUBMIT ALL THE PAPERWORK TO THEM OR OUR ATTORNEY DOES, AND THEN THEY MAKE A DECISION, THEY GIVE US A CALL, WE HAVE A CONFERENCE CALL, AND THEY TELL US WHAT'S RIGHT, WHAT'S WRONG, LANGUAGE IT HAS TO BE CHANGED OR USED, AND WE GO FROM THERE.
WE HAVE OUR BOND ATTORNEY, AND THEN THE AG'S OFFICE ALL APPROVE IT, BEFORE IT GOES INTO FURTHER.
>> WHAT WE CAN DO IS RUN TWO SCENARIOS BY THEM, ONE WITH TWO BUILDINGS AND ONE WITH ONE BUILDING.
>> WELL, IT'S LIKE ON THE LAST TIME WE TOOK OFF THE PLAYGROUND AND PAVILION.
BUT THAT'S WHAT STARTED OUT AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS.
>> SOMETHING MOVES FORWARD. WE'RE EITHER GOING TO HAVE ONE OR TWO BUILDINGS.
I THINK IF WE CAN GET BOTH LINES RUN THEN, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR THREE.
IS ANYBODY LOOKING FOR THREE, IS ANYBODY EVEN FOUR? BECAUSE I WANTED TO BUILDING, IF WE GET THAT DONE IN THE WRONGDOER CONTINGENTS.
I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THE PREEMPTIVE ASKING, IF IT DOESN'T MAKE THAT WE LOST NOTHING BUT WE HAVE IT IF WE NEED IT.
IS THERE A DEADLINE ON WHEN WE HAVE TO USE SAID LANGUAGE?
>> IT SHOULD BE USED ON THE BOND.
>> NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IF WE DON'T GET IT ON THE NEXT ONE, DO WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THEM AGAIN FOR NOVEMBER? IF WE'RE DOING THE SAME PROJECT AGAIN?
>> YEAH, WE WOULD STILL WANT TO GET BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHO YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE AG'S OFFICE. PEOPLE CHANGE OVER.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WAIT AND SEE WHAT GRANTS GOING TO BRING US AND THEN MOVE FROM THERE.
AM I MISSING ANYTHING? ANY COMMENTS?
>> OH, MY GOSH, WE GOT LIKE 36 MORE MINUTES.
>> WELL, THAT CASE, GRANT, IF WE RECESS FOR 10 MINUTES, CAN YOU JUST GO CALCULATE ALL THAT REAL QUICK.
>> I'M JUST SHOCKED. WELL, THIS HAS BEEN GREAT.
THANK Y'ALL. THIS HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD AND WE'VE MADE SOME GOOD PROGRESS.
LAST NIGHT ON THE COCK BLEND AND TONIGHT ON OH YES VERY GOOD.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO SAY? NOW LEAVING OPEN THAT UP SINCE WE HAVE SOME EXTRA TIME TO THE AUDIENCE, ANYBODY OUT THERE HAS ANY COMMENTS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] PROBLEM LAST NIGHT TOO.
>> DID YOU PUT LIVE [INAUDIBLE]? [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING]
>> NOT THAT I REPRESENT THE CITIZENS, BUT LET ME TELL YOU MY THINKING IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN YOURS, MICHAEL. NO SURPRISE, I GUESS.
I STARTED OUT WITH FIRST TIME I SAW THIS DIAGRAM, I THINK IT WAS JANUARY AT THE CHURCH THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO.
I LOOKED AT IT AND I SAID, THAT'S NOT DESIGNED VERY WELL.
MY WIFE WILL REGRET ME SAYING THIS, BUT BEING WELL-OFF IN RETIREMENT, I DON'T CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT MONEY.
MY WIFE CARES AN AWFUL LOT ABOUT MONEY AND WOULD STOP ME FREQUENTLY.
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BUT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST UNTIL MICHAEL ONE DAY YOU SAID MAYBE SIX MONTHS AGO, MAYBE A YEAR AGO, THIS BUILDING COMES IN INCREMENTS, THE BEAMS ARE SO LONG.YOU GOT TO GO WITH THIS THING IN INCREMENTS AND THEREFORE, I WAS BETWEEN INCREMENTS.
IT COSTS NO MORE TO GO THE FULL LENGTH OF THE BEAM WHEREVER IT IS.
LET'S ADD THE EXTRA SPACE TO COME OUT IN INCREMENTS WHERE IT COSTS THE SAME, AND THEREFORE THEY CAN USE THAT SPACE HOWEVER THEY WANT TO.
WHICH LED ME BACK TO MY CHAIN OF LOGIC OF I STILL THOUGHT THAT THING WAS TOO BIG BECAUSE IT'S NOT DESIGNED WELL.
I LIKED THE COMMENTS ABOUT COMMON AREAS BECAUSE EVERYWHERE I GO, I'M DONE IN AN OFFICE BUILDING, I GO TO LINDA'S OFFICES.
EVERYBODY IS REDESIGNING THEIR SPACE TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE.
ALLEN SCHOOL DISTRICT, I'M ON THE SILVER EAGLES GROUP.
THEY'RE MEETING ROOM IN THAT REFURBISHED BUILDING IS BEAUTIFUL.
IT'S EXCELLENT. THEIR SCREENS LIKE HERE.
YOU [INAUDIBLE] PARTITIONS ACROSS.
THEY GOT THE THING DIVIDED UP INTO UMPTEEN DIFFERENT WAYS, AND I THOUGHT, MAN, THIS PERSON WAS BRILLIANT, TO DESIGN LIKE THAT.
IF I SAW THAT IN THIS DIAGRAM, I WOULDN'T CARE AS LONG AS THE INCREMENTS COME OUT TO BE ECONOMICAL.
I DON'T CARE WHAT IT COSTS BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A RICH DISTRICT.
THEY GOT THE MONEY, EVEN THOUGH EVERYBODY LIKES THEIR TAX RATES TO GO DOWN.
I COME TO THIS OPPOSITE OF YOU DOING MICHAEL.
IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW MUCH WE CAN AFFORD.
IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW BIG THE THING IS TOO MUCH.
IT'S ABOUT EFFICIENT USE OF SPACE.
I DON'T WANT TO GO IN THERE AFTER IT'S BUILT AND SAY, MY GOD, LOOK AT THIS LOBBY.
WHAT IN THE WORLD WERE THEY THINKING THAT THIS ISN'T BEING USED? IF WE COULD COME UP WITH A DIAGRAM THAT WE NEED SOME CONCESSIONS.
NOW, WHEN WE STARTED, THERE WERE SEVEN MEETING ROOMS, SEVEN INDIVIDUAL MEETING ROOMS WHETHER THE POLICE ARE CLOSE BY OR NOT.
THEY HAD THEIR OWN DEDICATED ROOM.
THE FINANCE PEOPLE HAD THEIR OWN DEDICATED ROOM.
YOU GO TO A CENTRALIZED BREAK AREA, EVEN IF IT'S A WALK DOWN THE BUILDING.
TO ME IT'S ALL ABOUT EFFICIENCY.
I BELIEVE IN GETTING MY BANG FOR THE BUCK, I'D LIKE TO SEE AN EFFICIENT DIAGRAM AND HOWEVER THE NUMBERS COME OUT ONCE WE AGREE, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
WE WANT 20,000 DRAWN OUT THIS WAY.
THAT'S WHY THE DECISIONS ARE BACKWARDS.
LET'S GET WHAT WE CAN AFFORD AND THEN WE'LL GO SPEND THAT ON WHATEVER WE CAN GET.
I STILL CARE ABOUT HOW MANY ROOMS THERE ARE, ARE THEY FLEXIBLE? CAN THEY BE USED FOR MULTIPLE THINGS? BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE YOUR MIND.
MY WIFE AND I HAVE I BOUGHT A BUNCH OF HOUSES.
EVERY HOUSE WE BUY, WE LOOK AT IT AND WE LOVE IT.
AS SOON AS WE GET IN THERE, EVEN IF IT'S A MONTH LATER, THEY WERE CHANGING THINGS.
WE CHANGED THE PAINT. WE CHANGED THE DINING ROOM AND THE WALLS AROUND IT.
WHAT HAPPENED TO LIKING IT SIX MONTHS AGO WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT TO BUY, YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND AND THEY'LL CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT THIS.
BUT THE WAY IT'S NOW WHERE THOSE WALLS ARE, IT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE TO CHANGE YOUR MIND.
BE MORE FLEXIBLE IN DESIGN IS MY BOTTOM LINE.
>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? AMANDA OVER THERE.
>> YOU DIDN'T COME UP TO THE PODIUM.
>> I GUESS TO ME IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THE MONEY BECAUSE IT'S MY MONEY.
I'VE GOT MY TAX BILL SITTING ON THE DESK RIGHT NOW AND I'M WAITING.
IT'S DUE BY THE 31ST AND I HAVEN'T PAID IT YET BECAUSE I'M NOT READY TO WRITE THAT CHECK YET.
BUT I WANT FEASIBLE USE FOR MY MONEY.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THE MONEY TO ME.
THAT'S WHAT IT ALWAYS IS WHEN I'M BUYING A HOUSE AND WHAT I'M EXPECTING YOU TO DO WITH OUR MONEY.
I WANT YOU TO HAVE WHAT YOU NEED, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT YOU TO HAVE WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE TO TELL ME HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT IF YOU WANT MORE THAN WHAT YOU NEED.
IT DOES MATTER WHETHER IT'S GOING TO RAISE OUR TAXES.
I DO REMEMBER PEOPLE SAYING THAT IT WOULD NOT.
I REMEMBER HEARING THAT SEVERAL TIMES AND I THINK WE KNOW THAT IT WILL IF WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE OTHER EXPENSES IN THE CITY.
I THINK THAT A HOUSEHOLD BUDGET CAN'T LOOK AT ONE THING AND NOT THE OTHER.
IF YOU'VE GOT THREE KIDS AND YOU'VE GOT TO PAY COLLEGE, YOU'D HAVE TO FACTOR THAT IN INTO WHAT YOU'RE BUYING.
OBVIOUSLY YOU REPRESENT ME AND I'M ONLY ONE VOICE,
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BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THE MONEY TO ME.I FEEL LIKE I HAD ONE OTHER COMMENT ABOUT, LET ME GIVE MYSELF A SECOND.
I WANT YOU TO HAVE WHAT YOU NEED AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT, ANYWAY, I'M REPEATING MYSELF.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THE MONEY TO ME.
I THINK WE DO NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE ROADS, AND IF WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT, THEN WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GO FROM THERE.
WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A POLICE BUILDING.
>> DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
>> WELL, WE'VE HAD ONE MORE MEETING AND IT STARTED GOING OKAY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE BOND AND NOW WE'RE BACK IN THE WEEDS.
IT'S AMAZING HOW WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT SPACE AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE CEILING, WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE FLOOR AND WHERE THE WALLS ARE.
WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE IS A BOND, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
THAT'S THE BEST ESTIMATE BASED ON ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT TO PUT ON THE BOND AND GET THAT.
ONCE WE HAVE THAT PASSED BY THE CITIZENS, THEN WE CAN GET INTO THE WEEDS AND ALL OF THE OTHER STUFF BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO CHANGE AS LIKE MICHAEL WAS SAYING.
>> ANYBODY ON COUNCIL THAT HAS ANY LAST COMMENTS? THEN WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 07:02.
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* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.