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>> [NOISE] I HEREBY CALL THE PARKER CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF DECEMBER 20TH,
[CALL TO ORDER]
2022, AT 3:01 TO ORDER.MR. CITY ATTORNEY, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM?
>> YES, MADAM MAYOR, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING CONSISTS OF GOING TO WORKSHOP, THANK YOU.
FIRST, WE'RE GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, SURPRISE ME.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
[LAUGHTER] AT THIS TIME, WE WILL RECESS TO CLOSE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED IN GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.074 PERSONNEL TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT, DUTIES, DISCIPLINE, OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE.GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.0711, CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY CONCERNING PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION.
GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.0712, CONSULTATION WITH THE ATTORNEY IN A MATTER IN WHICH THE DUTY OF THE ATTORNEY TO THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY UNDER THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT OF THE STATE BAR OF TEXAS CLEARLY COMPLEX WITH THIS CHAPTER OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
AT THIS TIME WE ARE IN RECESS, IT IS 3:02.
[NOISE] I AM NOW RECONVENING THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, CITY OF PARKER.
COUNCIL IS THERE ANY BUSINESS TO BE DISCUSSED OR ANY DECISIONS OR ACTION THAT WILL NEED TO BE TAKEN FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION?
>> I'M SORRY, WE CAME BACK AT 3:35.
AT THIS TIME, ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NOT HEARING ANY, WE'LL MOVE ON.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO TO OUR FIRST WORKSHOP.
[1. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN (CIP)]
>> WE'LL DO THE PLEDGES [LAUGHTER] JIM, WOULD YOU DO THE AMERICAN PLEDGE, AND TERRY WOULD YOU DO THE TEXAS PLEDGE?
>> NOW WE'LL GO TO OUR FIRST WORKSHOP, WHICH IS ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
[LAUGHTER] TERRY OR ARE YOU JIM LEAVING THIS OFF?
>> I'LL RUN THROUGH THIS. WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE AND GO THROUGH THIS WORKSHOP AND AN OVERVIEW HERE, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS BACKGROUND, THE CURRENT SITUATION, AND PATHS FORWARD.
THE OBJECTIVES OF THIS REVIEW ARE LOOKING AT THE AGREEMENT OF THE BORING SAMPLES THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DRAINAGE IMPACT AND THEN COST IMPLICATIONS OF ALL OF THOSE.
CERTAINLY INTERRUPT ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
THIS WOULD BE A WORKING SESSION.
I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THIS OF COURSE, BUT WHAT DOES OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN? I THINK THE KEY HERE IS SUSTAINING AND IMPROVING THE COMMUNITY'S INFRASTRUCTURES.
THIS IS COORDINATING THE STRATEGIC PLANNING, FINANCIAL PLANNING, AND PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.
ANYWAY, JUST HAVE THAT IN THERE AS REFERENCE.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW THIS, BUT JUST TO PUT IT IN THERE IN PERSPECTIVE.
A LITTLE BACKGROUND AS PARKER MOVES FORWARD IT GROWS AND MATURES, WE NEED TO HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
THE FUTURE NEEDS THAT WAS NOT IN EXISTENCE AND WE NEED THIS TO CONTINUE FOR OUR FUTURE.
COMMITTEE WAS ASSIGNED TO GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT THESE NEEDS AND PROVIDE COST OF THESE VARIOUS PROJECTS.
THE KEY TOPICS OF THIS COMMITTEE WERE BASED ON PREVIOUS RESIDENT REQUESTS OF THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.
ROAD INTEGRITY WAS OBVIOUSLY ONE KEY PART OF THAT AND IT NEEDED TO BE REVIEWED,
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AND THAT'S A BIG ONE ACTUALLY.WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE KEY GOAL HERE IS TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL VIEW OF ALL THE CAPITAL NEEDS OF THE CITY.
IN THE FUTURE DISCUSSIONS WILL BE ADDRESSED USING THESE WORKSHOPS, THAT'S A BACKGROUND OF WHERE WE WERE.
AGAIN, JUST TO PUT THIS IN TERMS OF GOALS, BOTH IMMEDIATE AND MAYBE LONGER TERM, WE NEED TO HAVE THIS CIP FOR THE CITY.
THIS IS GOING TO BE USED FOR ASSIGNING AND DOING BUDGETING, ALSO IS A GREAT COMMUNICATION TOOL TO THE COMMUNITY OF WHAT IS NEEDED AND ESPECIALLY MAINTENANCE ON STREETS.
LONGER TERM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STREETS ARE IN A CONDITION THAT ARE FAIR OR BETTER.
WE DECIDED THAT IN A COUPLE OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PATH FORWARD AND THEN WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE THESE OF COURSE.
GETTING INTO SOME OF THE MORE DETAILS OF WHAT HAPPENS, LOOK AT THESE STREET ASSESSMENTS.
MOST OF YOU REMEMBER ALL THIS INFORMATION, BUT WE TRIED TO COMPILE THIS, IS THAT IN 2021, WE HAD NOT HAD ANY STREET SURVEY IN THE PAST.
WHAT WE DID HERE IS WE DID A SURVEY IN 2021 BY THE CITY STAFF.
I KNOW THAT GARY WAS VERY INVOLVED IN ALL OF THIS TO GIVE US SOME IDEA OF WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE STREETS ARE.
WE DETERMINED THAT THE STREETS HAVE VARIOUS LEVELS.
OBVIOUSLY, THE ONES THAT ARE BELOW FAIR OR THE ONES THAT WE'RE CONCENTRATING ON HERE, VERY POOR AND POOR.
WE COMPILE THESE THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE TO THE RIGHT.
THEN WE WENT THROUGH SOME CALCULATIONS OF POTENTIAL COSTS OF WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED TO GET THOSE TO A BETTER LEVEL.
THEN WE LOOKED AT PROPOSALS FOR BORING SAMPLES BECAUSE, WITHIN THAT OVERALL POTENTIAL COST MODEL, THE BORING SAMPLES WERE A KEY COMPONENT TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND AT WHAT LEVEL WE CREATE THESE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, AS I'LL CALL THEM.
I WAS JUST GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL OF WHAT WE DID HERE, THERE'S I GUESS A TOTAL OF 22 STREETS THAT WE DID IN TOTAL 55,000 LINEAR FEET AND CHANGE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS WITHIN OUR ENTIRE STREET, COMPREHEND, WITHIN THE CITY OF PARKER IS ABOUT 20 PERCENT OF ALL THE STREETS, AND SOME OF THEM ARE RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S ACTUALLY A HIGHER LINEAR FOOTAGE OF RESIDENTIAL THAN ACTUALLY COLLECTORS STREETS, BUT THEY'RE BOTH INVOLVED HERE, SEVEN OF THE COLLECTORS AND 15 OF THE RESIDENTIALS.
JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN I GUESS, IDEA OF WHERE THE STREETS ARE LOCATED THEY'RE PRETTY WELL ALL ACROSS THE CITY, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE BUT WE DID WANT TO GIVE THIS GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION OF WHERE THEY ARE BECAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES I GUESS ALL OF THE DETAILS OF GOING THROUGH THESE CITIES, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT [MUSIC] REAL OBVIOUS OR WHERE THEY'RE LOW CONCENTRATED.
>> AS WE LOOK AT PRIORITIZING OUR STREETS, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT AND I'VE GOT THE GOOGLE EARTH THAT WE CAN PULL UP SO WE CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE CAN SEE SPECIFICALLY WHERE THE STREETS ARE.
>> THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH BRINGS UP BECAUSE THERE ARE SOMETIMES WHEN WE CAN LOOK AT CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY AND MAYBE IT SEEMS THAT WE ARE TAKING A PREFERENTIAL LOOK AT THIS AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS IN A VERY DETAILED AND SYSTEMATIC WAY.
WHEN WE GO INTO SOME OF THE COSTING, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE STREETS THAT ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION, THE FIRST TOP TABLE IS SHOWING THE COLLECTOR AND RESIDENTIAL STREETS, AND THEN BASED ON THE ENGINEERING FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT JOHN MIGHT WANT TO COME IN HERE AND COMMENT ON THESE, BUT THEY GAVE US AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THEY THOUGHT WOULD BE NEEDED BETWEEN THE STREETS DRAINAGE AND WHAT THE TOTAL ASSESSMENT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE.
BUT THE BOTTOM PART OF THAT GIVES A DETAIL OF THE VARIOUS WAYS THAT WE CAN RECONSTRUCT THESE STREETS, EITHER A FULL RECONSTRUCT A RE-MIX, DO CONCRETE STREET, OR AN OVERLAY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ABOVE ASSESSMENT OF THAT TOTAL, IT'S LIKE $27 MILLION.
THAT INCLUDES THE DRAINAGE, BUT THAT IS TAKING SOME LIBERTIES ON THE METHOD THAT WE WOULD USE TO GO AHEAD AND RECONSTRUCT THOSE STREETS AS ABOVE.
AS WE KNOW AT THIS POINT, THIS IS NOT WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE BORING SAMPLES AND SOME OF THE OTHER DATA THAT WE REALLY NEED.
THIS IS JUST AN ASSESSMENT INITIALLY,
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IT GIVES YOU SOME BOUNDARY CONDITIONS WHERE WE ARE, COULD BE AS LOW AS SIX MILLION AND IT COULD BE AS HIGH AS 35 MILLION.>> JIM, I THINK SOME OF THESE NUMBERS WERE FROM A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, THERE COULD BE SOME DIFFERENCES IN THESE PRICES TOO.
>> WE JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS AN ESTIMATE AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TODAY.
BASED ON PREVIOUS CONSTRUCTS THAT WE'VE DONE AND WHAT WE THINK WOULD BE EFFECTIVE, AGAIN, BASED ON JUST THE DATA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM 10,000-FOOT VIEW, LIKE YOU SAID, JOHN.
>> TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE TOP PIECE WHERE IT SHOWS THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND SHOWS POTENTIAL STREET COST, DRAINAGE COST, IN TOTAL AND WE'VE GOT A DETAILED SCHEDULE BY STREET OF THOSE.
BUT THOSE WERE BASED UPON THE DETAILS SCHEDULED THE INDIVIDUAL STREETS.
WE WENT THROUGH THOSE AND TRIED TO IDENTIFY WITH THE HELP OF MR. MACHADO AND MR. OLSON, WHERE THEY THOUGHT THAT RECONSTRUCTION, WHAT TYPE OF WORK WOULD BE NEEDED ON THE INDIVIDUAL STREETS AND WHAT CONDITION THE DRAINAGE WAS IN.
THEN SIMPLY JUST A CALCULATION USING THE NUMBERS THAT ENGINEERS OPINION OF COST, NOT ESTIMATES. [LAUGHTER]
>> YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
THIS DETAILS THAT A LITTLE BIT ESSENTIALLY WE ARE TALKING SUGGESTED COST OF $315 AGAIN, THAT IS A ESTIMATED COST AGAIN.
THAT'S THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PART OF IT.
THEN OF COURSE ABOVE YOU CAN SEE THE VARIOUS COST PER LINEAR FOOT DEPENDING ON WHAT LEVEL OF CONSTRUCTION YOU ELECT TO TAKE.
AGAIN, THAT WAS ROLLED INTO AN ESTIMATE THAT WE SAW ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE.
OF COURSE AT THE BOTTOM IT TALKS ABOUT THE ESCALATION [LAUGHTER] AND PRICING THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
>> THE COST PER LINEAR FOOT ON EACH OF THESE SCENARIOS IS NOT CHEAP.
WHAT I SEE IS THE CHALLENGE THAT THE CITY STAFF IS GOING TO HAVE, IS TRYING TO FIND THE BEST SOLUTION THAT WILL LAST, BUT DOESN'T COST [LAUGHTER] SO MUCH.
IT IS THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK, SO TO SPEAK, THAT WE CAN FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK.
>> YEAH, DEFINITELY GOING TO BE A BALANCE.
YOU DO OIL AND CHIP, IT'S NOT GOING TO REALLY DO ANYTHING.
IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF A BENEFIT, BUT IT'S LIKE A LAST VERY LONG.
BUT OF COURSE, IF YOU DO A FULL CONSTRUCT WITH CONCRETE, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE.
JUST OFF THE RECORD, I LIKE SOME OF THE REMIXES THAT ARE GOING ON IN PLANO RIGHT NOW, I NOTICED THAT LEGACY DRY WAS REDONE AND IT'S AWESOME ONCE YOU GET OFF [LAUGHTER] TO A NEW SECTION OF A LEGACY, IN MY OPINION.
AS WE LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL INTO THIS BORING SAMPLE, BECAUSE WHEN WE HAD ONE OF OUR WORKSHOP MEETINGS, WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT REALLY TO UNDERSTAND THE DETAILS OF WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING TO BE NEEDED [NOISE] TO GET US THAT BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK, IF YOU WILL.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE SOIL CONDITION UNDERNEATH THE ROAD CURRENTLY THERE.
THE ENGINEERING OF THAT ROAD WILL BE VERY DEPENDENT ON WHAT THE SOIL SAMPLES TELL US ON THAT.
WITH THAT IN MIND, HERE ARE THE CROSSWORD PUZZLES FOR THE STREETS WITH A RATING OF 40 LOWER OR BETWEEN 41 AND 50 TO CAPTURE THE CATEGORIES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER AND THEN WE HAVE DUBLIN ROADS SEPARATED OUT SINCE IT IS SUCH A LARGE AREA THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF.
SEVENTY EIGHT BORING SAMPLES AND 53K IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SO IT'S NOT A TRIVIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.
BUT WITHOUT ANY ASSESSMENT, THE ENGINEERING COSTS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS JUST A BIT OF 10,000 FOOT VIEW LIKE MR. BURKHOF, SOME WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.
WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THAT THAT COULD VARY BY QUITE A BIT DEPENDING ON WHICH CATEGORY YOU HAVE TO USE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
THEN OF COURSE, WE HAVE NOTED HERE THAT THE DRAINING ASSESSMENT ALSO NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AND WITHIN THAT BORING SAMPLE,
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I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.>> NO, I GUESS THAT WILL BE FOR THE DRAINAGE, THE DRAINAGE TO SEPARATE.
>> YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE PROPOSALS OF THE BORING SAMPLES, THE TOTAL LINEAR FEET IN THOSE PROPOSALS IS 39,978.
BUT OUR TOTAL STREETS UNDER CONSIDERATION IS [OVERLAPPING] 55,566.
WE DIDN'T GET ALL OF THE PROPOSAL ON ALL OF THESE.
ONCE WE GOT THE PROPOSALS, THE QUESTION CAME TO BE, HOW DO WE BRING THIS TO COUNCIL SO THAT COUNCIL IN A POSITION TO MAKE A DECISION OF WHAT BORING SAMPLE SHOULD WE BE DOING? [NOISE] THIS IS HELPFUL TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF THE COST OF BORING SAMPLES AND I'VE GOT SOME PER LINEAR FOOT AND THE BORING SAMPLES.
BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT AND LOOKED AT THE STREETS UNDER CONSIDERATION AND HOW WE PLAN TO DO THE WORK, WE DIDN'T THINK THAT THE COUNCIL WAS GOING TO WANT TO DO SAY, LET'S JUST DO THE RATINGS OF 40 AND LOWER STREETS THAT THERE MAY BE A MIX OR SOMETHING OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
AS WE GET A LITTLE FURTHER INTO IT [NOISE] AND MAYBE THAT'LL MAKE A LITTLE MORE SENSE.
>> LITTLE MORE ON BORING SAMPLES.
>> YEAH. CORRECT. AS WE DELVE INTO THIS, [OVERLAPPING] HERE ARE SOME OF THE BENEFITS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE AND MR. BURKHOF IS WELL AWARE OF THIS, BUT IT GIVES THE BEST PREPARE METHOD AND IT GETS YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON HOW TO FINE TUNE THE COST FOR THESE REPAIRS.
ASSESSMENT AS WE SEE IT IS GOING TO BE VALID FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO ALLOW FOR A LITTLE LONGER TERM IMPLEMENTATION.
WE FEEL THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
IF WE HAVE A ROLLOUT OVER, THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED BEFORE.
IS THAT IF WE HAVE A [INAUDIBLE] OVER A COUPLE OF YEAR PERIOD THAT WE WANT TO DO THIS.
WHAT WE HAVE TO GO DO THIS AGAIN, AND THE FEELING IS THAT THIS WILL BE VALID FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
THEN USE THE RESULTS OF EARLIER SAMPLES AND OTHER STREETS ETC.
WITH THAT THEN, WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN DO THIS IN PHASES AND LOOK AT PRIOR RISING THE STREETS IN THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO.
[OVERLAPPING] THE LAST THE LAST THING I WAS GOING TO SAY IS I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE ACTUAL PROCESS OF DOING THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL.
NOW WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS, THERE WILL BE ROAD CLOSURES AND TRAFFIC DIVERSIONS AND ALL THAT THING BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST LIKE THEY'RE ON THE SHOULDER OF THE ROAD.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE ACTUALLY THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS.
WE WILL HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALL OF THE IMPACT OF THE ROADS WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
>> IS WEATHER RELATED IN TERMS OF THAT?
>> THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT ONLY FOR THE WORKERS THAT IT SHOULD MATTER, RIGHT?
>> AGAIN, AT THE BOTTOM IS THAT THE BASIC PROPOSAL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE COMPREHENDING COST OF THE BOREL SAMPLES.
THE ENGINEERING COSTS USING THOSE AND DRAINAGE DETAILS WILL NEED TO BE DETERMINED AFTER THAT POINT WHEN WE GET THAT DATA BACK.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE STREETS THAT THE CORE SAMPLES WOULD BE TAKEN FROM.
YOU STATED THAT IT'S NOT ALL THE STREETS THAT ARE RATED LOW, BUT JUST SELECTIVE STREETS.
THE MAP THAT YOU SHOWED EARLIER, THE AERIAL MAP THAT YOU SHOWED WITH THE PINPOINTS ON THEM, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHERE THE CORE SAMPLES WOULD BE TAKEN FROM, CORRECT?
>> RIGHT. NOT ALL THOSE STREETS.
WE WOULD SELECT, WHAT WE HAD BACK IS IF WE GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES, YOU SEE THE LINEAR FOOT FOOTAGE WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE TOTAL LINEAR FOOTAGE WAS.
WE HAVE 39,000 ON THESE PARTICULAR BORING SAMPLES THAT ARE NOTED HERE.
THERE ARE 78 OF THOSE, BUT THEY WILL NOT GET ALL OF THE LINEAR FEET EVEN WITHIN THE ROADS THAT HAVE CHALLENGES.
>> WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL STREETS RATING 40 OR LOWER.
IS THAT ALL THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT HAVE
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THAT RATING ARE JUST SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS TO HAVE THAT RATING?>> I NEED TO LOOK. I THINK THAT IT IS ACTUALLY ALL [OVERLAPPING]
TRYING TO REMEMBER WHICH ONES ARE MISSING.
>> HOW WERE THEY SELECTED THEN IF IT'S NOT ALL OF THEM?
>> THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO ASK.
>> YEAH. I UNDERSTAND. [LAUGHTER]
>> I THINK WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THEM, THEY WERE LOOKING AT TRAFFIC VOLUMES AND DAILY TRIPS THROUGH THERE, WHAT WE CONSIDER HIGH-VOLUME TRAFFIC AREAS LIKE CHURCH LANE WOULD NOT BE A HIGH TRAFFIC VOLUME AT THIS TIME.
[LAUGHTER] FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AND TALKING TO TERRY AND JIM WAS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE MORE OF THE HIGH-END TRAFFIC AREAS AND THEN HOPEFULLY, YOU GOT ANY MORE OF YOUR COLLECTOR STREETS LIKE YOUR DUBLIN AND YOUR LEWIS LANE AND THEN YOU'LL BREAK OUT THE REST OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL STREETS FROM THOSE POINTS ON.
>> WHAT I'VE PULLED UP IS, THIS IS A LIST OF THE STREETS THAT ARE IN THE BORING SAMPLE AND WHAT PHASE IT IS LISTED.
IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT [LAUGHTER] SINCE WE LOOKED AT THIS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE SPECIFICALLY WHAT STREETS ARE SHOWN IN PHASE 1, PHASE 2, PHASE 3.
THEN THESE ARE ACTUALLY THE ONES.
IT DOES LOOK LIKE ALL THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS WERE PICKED UP EXCEPT MOSS RIDGE AND SYCAMORE.
IT WAS JUST CURTIS AND LEWIS LANE ARE THE TWO THAT DIDN'T HAVE A PROPOSAL.
>> MY QUESTION ON STREETS LIKE LEWIS LANE AND CHURCH, IT WAS A FARM FIELD AT ONE TIME.
THEY PUT ROAD BASE DOWN AND LEWIS.
>> WELL, YEARS AGO IT WAS ROAD BASE AND THEN THEY PUT GRAVEL DOWN AND THEN THEY PUT DOWN THE ASPHALT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE IT USED TO BE A DIRT ROAD.
I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS A DIRT ROAD.
[LAUGHTER] IS A CORE SAMPLE NECESSARY SINCE YOU KNOW WHAT'S UNDER THERE? IN CHURCH LANE SAME THING.
I WOULD SUPPOSE THAT THE EVOLUTION WENT FROM A FARM FIELD TO ROAD BASE TO GRAVEL TO BLACK TOP.
>> OH IT GOES DOWN. IT'S NOT JUST TAKING THE SURFACE OF [OVERLAPPING]
>> IS THIS MIC GOOD? CAN WE PUT THIS MIC OVER THERE TO MAKE SURE IT GETS RECORDED ON.
>> EITHER THAT OR YOU CAN COME TO THE PODIUM, WHICHEVER IS MORE COMFORTABLE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] LET ME GO GET [INAUDIBLE] YOUR BALANCE.
>> WHEN WE DO A SOIL BORING, IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH WHATEVER PAVEMENT'S THERE.
WE WANT TO KNOW THE THICKNESS THERE.
WE WANT TO GO INTO WHATEVER SUBGRADE, SUB-BASE MATERIALS ARE THERE.
IS IT GRAVEL? RIVER RUN? IS IT CRUSHED STONE? WHAT IS IT? THEN UNDERNEATH IT, THE SUBGRADE, THE ACTUAL DIRT, AND WHAT ARE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THOSE DIRTS.
AS WE LOOK AT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE WANT TO RECONSTRUCT THIS? WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO KNOW IF IT'S AN OVERLAY? WHAT IS THE STRENGTH UNDERNEATH IT? IF IT'S A REMIX, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT PERCENT OF LIME OR WHAT PERCENT OF CEMENT THAT WE WANT TO PUT INTO THAT MATERIAL TO REMIX.
BECAUSE WE'RE ULTIMATELY GOING TO TRY TO DESIGN A PAVEMENT WITH A 20-YEAR LIFE THAT'S THE NORMAL.
WE MAY GO OUT AND SAY, OKAY, FOR 30 YEARS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THE OTHER PART OF A PAVEMENT DESIGN IS THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC YOU HAVE.
WE'RE GOING TO PROJECT HOW MUCH TRUCK TRAFFIC IS ON IT.
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DUBLIN IS GOING TO HAVE MORE TRUCK TRAFFIC THAN A RESIDENTIAL STREET.BUT A RESIDENTIAL STREET IS GOING TO HAVE THE GARBAGE TRUCK.
THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE SCHOOL BUSES AND THEN THE CAR TRAFFIC, SO THE VOLUME AND THE FREQUENCY OF THOSE ALL GO INTO CALCULATING THE PAVEMENT.
BUT KNOWING WHAT THE SOIL CONDITIONS ARE UNDERNEATH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
>> JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT JOHN BERKOFF CITY ENGINEER IS THE PERSON PROVIDING US WITH INFORMATION.
>> YES, INDEED, I AM. [LAUGHTER]
>> WE WERE AT ESTABLISHING PRIORITIZING THE STREETS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] BUT NOT THAT LONG.
>> IS THAT THE KARAOKE MONTH, WE COULD START SINGING CHRISTMAS [LAUGHTER]
IF WE NEED MR. BERKOFF, WE CAN BRING HIM UP TO THE PODIUM AGAIN.
BUT WE WERE GOING TO ESTABLISH THIS IN PHASES AS ARE SHOWN THERE.
WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT METHODS OR WE CONSIDERED DIFFERENT METHODS OF HOW WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE THESE, THE RADIUS STREETS BY THE TRAFFIC VOLUME, INTERRUPTION TO RESIDENCE.
THAT MIGHT BE A CONSIDERATION DEPENDING ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, COST LIMITATIONS, ETC.
WE LOOKED AT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT.
THEN ESTABLISHING THESE PHAGES.
THERE MAY BE SOME IDEAS HERE THAT WE WANT TO DO SMALLER PROJECTS FIRST BECAUSE THEY'RE EASIER TO MANAGE.
YOU CAN GET THOSE FINISHED POTENTIALLY, ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE CITY SO THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN SEE THAT WE'RE TAKING ACTIONS.
THEN IT COULD LIMIT CAPITAL SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AS MUCH CAPITAL BECAUSE YOU CAN BITE IT OFF IN SMALLER CHUNKS POTENTIALLY.
THEN THE LAST THING WOULD BE TO MOVE FORWARD ON A PLAN USING THAT ENGINEERING DATA.
BASED ON THOSE SAMPLES, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SET THE PLAN AND MOVE FORWARD ACCORDINGLY.
>> AS WE TALK ABOUT PRIORITIZATION OF STREETS, I THINK IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE THAT WE STOP AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE STREETS.
I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT THE PHASES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE BORING PROPOSAL.
THAT WOULDN'T BE MY RECOMMENDATION OF WHERE WE GO, OF HOW WE PROCEED BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD WANT TO START WITH JUST THE PHASE 1 STREETS THAT ARE LISTED THERE.
ONE, THAT IT DOESN'T CONSIDER ALL ASPECTS, ALL AREAS OF THE CITY.
TWO, THE REASON THEY'RE LISTED IN PHASE 1 IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT LOWEST RATING FOR RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER AT THE TIME.
AS JIM MENTIONED THAT THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT AND THERE'S A MILLION WAYS THAT YOU CAN SLICE THAT PUZZLE.
BUT TO ME IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE THAT WE IDENTIFY WHAT'S THE FIRST GROUP OF STREETS.
WE WANT TO GET A BETTER HANDLE ON NUMBERS WISE AND NOT JUST NUMBERS, THE MATERIAL.
WHAT'S THE PRODUCT? WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS THE CONSTRUCTION AND RECONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED AND IN LIEU OF THAT, THEN THE COST THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO CUT THAT.
WE TALKED ABOUT SMALLER PROJECTS ARE EASIER TO MANAGE AND COMPLETE.
BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S A SWEET SPOT BECAUSE IF YOU MAKE THEM TOO SMALL, CONTRACTORS DON'T REALLY LIKE TO BID ON SMALL PROJECTS.
IT'S NOT WORTH THEIR EFFORT TO GET, JUST PULLING OUT ALL THEIR MATERIALS AND STUFF.
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I'VE HEARD THAT THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER.THEN THE OTHER THING IS HOW MUCH WE CAN AFFORD, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH AND START GETTING ASSESSMENT OF WHAT CAN WE AFFORD, HOW CAN WE AFFORD IT? I THINK AS A CITY, WE OWE IT TO OUR RESIDENTS TO MAINTAIN OUR STREETS, THAT THE STREETS SHOULD BE IN FAIR CONDITION OR BETTER.
BUT I DO THINK THERE'S VARIABILITY IN HOW WE MANAGE THAT AND HOW WE GET THAT DONE.
I THINK MAINTENANCE OF THE STREETS CAN BE HELPFUL IN ADDRESSING THAT AS WELL.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE MENTIONED WAS A BLEND OF STREETS.
JUST FOR GRINS, WE SAID, WELL MAYBE SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER IS, ONE, THE HIGH-TRAFFIC STREETS WHICH INCORPORATES DUBLIN AND LEWIS LANE, THE WORST STREET, WHICH IS CHURCH LANE.
THEN SOME OF THESE OTHER RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC FLOW, MAINLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE OTHER CONNECTIONS.
LET'S SEE. MY DEFINITION ISN'T THERE. JUST THROWING THINGS OUT AN OPTION.
I'LL THROW THIS ONE OUT AND THEN I'LL THROW ANOTHER ONE OUT [LAUGHTER] TO SEE THE VARIABILITY THAT'S I THINK WORTH CONSIDERING.
COLLECTOR STREETS, DUBLIN, AND LEWIS LANE ARE IN NEED OF REPAIR AND THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THOSE STREETS IS SIGNIFICANT TO ADDRESS.
NOW, ONE I DIDN'T LIST HERE IS CURTIS LANE, OR IS IT CURTIS ROAD, AND THE REASON FOR THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON OUR LIST OF STREETS, IT IS IN THE CENTER OF ALL OF THE 2551 CONSTRUCTION.
THE [INAUDIBLE] AND ALL OF THAT.
IS THAT TEXT DOT IS HAVING FUN WITH OR SO [OVERLAPPING] I KNOW GARY, YOU'RE WORKING WITH THEM, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PATCH THAT BEFORE THEY'RE DONE OR AT THE END [OVERLAPPING].
WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO INCLUDE THAT IN THIS PROJECT.
AS WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS STREETS, WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT ON THAT PLATTER [LAUGHTER] AND SO THAT'S WHY CURTIS IS NOT INCLUDED.
IT HAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT GOES THROUGH THAT STREET EVERY DAY AND UNTIL THE NEW 2551 IS REDIRECTED.
>> YEAH AND THERE'S STILL SOME ISSUES WITH THE 2551 CONNECTION THERE, CURTIS ROAD.
SOME REDESIGN TO THAT WHOLE THING BECAUSE JOHN, GARY, AND MYSELF TALKED TO THE TEXAS ENGINEERS ON THAT.
THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME REDESIGN ON THAT PROJECT WITHIN THAT INTERSECTION.
>> THEN THIS IS JUST A WHAT IF SCENARIO THAT I'VE PUT TOGETHER, BREAKING IT INTO TWO PHASES AND AN AFTER PHASE.
JUST TRYING TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO MORE MANAGEABLE NUMBERS AND YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND YOU SAY, IS THAT REALLY MANAGEABLE? WE STILL HAVE LARGE NUMBERS.
BUT AS A STARTING POINT, TO GET BETTER DATA, TO KNOW WHAT NUMBERS WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, THAT WAS WHAT WAS ON MY MIND AS I PUT THESE TOGETHER.
THESE RESIDENTIAL STREETS, YOU'LL SEE CHURCHLAND IS THE ONE WITH THE LOWEST.
GRAY LANE, THIS PART OF GRAY LANE, IS WHERE THE PRESERVE COMES THROUGH OR PEOPLE DRIVE FROM PARKER ROAD TO GET TO THE PRESERVED.
TRAFFIC-WISE, I DIDN'T HAVE A VOLUME COUNT OF THAT PIECE,
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BUT THAT SEEMED TO MAKE SENSE.THEN GREGORY LANE, HACKBERRY LANE, PECAN ORCHARD.
THESE ALL SEEM TO HAVE A GOOD BIT OF TRAFFIC THAT WARRANTED.
YOU'LL SEE THAT WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE ALL ASPECTS OF THE CITY.
WE'VE GOT NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST THROUGH THAT.
I DID PUT MOSS RIDGE ON HERE MAINLY JUST BECAUSE FROM WHAT I HEAR IS IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT PERHAPS WE CAN MORE MAINTAIN NOT PATCHED, BUT TAKE THE BAD.
>> WHAT WE COULD DO IS WE CAN SECTION CUT THOSE SECTIONS OUT THAT ARE BAD AND THEN COME BACK IN THERE, REBUILD SOME OF THAT, SOME BASE UNDERNEATH THERE WITHIN THOSE BAD SECTIONS, AND THEN WE CAN EITHER COME IN WITH HIGHER EARLY CONCRETE SO PEOPLE CAN DRIVE ON IT WITHIN WHAT, JOHN, 24, 48 HOURS WITH THAT.
YOU COULD COME IN. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE FOR THAT CONCRETE OR YOU CAN JUST PUT NORMAL CONCRETE DOWN AND BE ABOUT A WEEK PROBABLY BEFORE THEY COULD DRIVE OVER THAT.
JUST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
>> YOU'LL NOTICE MOSS RIDGE WE DON'T HAVE QUANTIFIED IN DOLLARS EITHER BECAUSE I WASN'T ABOUT TO PUT THE CONCRETE NUMBER FOR THAT ROAD AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC PANELS.
IN PART OF THIS CLARIFYING NUMBERS, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE PIECES IS GETTING SPECIFICS ON THE MOSS RIDGE.
HOW MANY PANELS SPECIFICALLY, WHAT'S THE COST PER PANEL? WHAT OTHER ISSUES ARE THERE? THIS IN ITSELF HAS PHASE 1 AT $10 MILLION POTENTIAL JUST FOR THE STREET.
WELL, IT HAS SOME DRAINAGE NUMBER IN IT.
IT'S SIX MILLION FOR THE STREETS AND FOUR MILLION FOR THE DRAINAGE.
BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE VERY HIGH GUESSTIMATES [LAUGHTER] AND WE TRIED TO BE MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN LESS.
BUT AS MR. BIRKHOFF AND MR. OLSON CONTINUE TO REMIND ME, THESE PRICES CONTINUE TO GO UP.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TOMORROW IS, BUT WE HAVE TO START GETTING FINE-TUNING THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.
I DON T THINK IT'S WISE TO FINE-TUNE EVERYTHING.
THIS WAS A SCENARIO THAT I THOUGHT MIGHT MAKE SENSE.
THEN PHASE 2, NOW, WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE A DISCUSSION.
I'VE ACTUALLY GOT CURTIS ROAD THERE IN CASE WE HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL WORK THAT WE END UP BEING ON THE HOOK FOR COST-WISE.
BUT YEAH, THIS PICKS UP THE OTHER STREETS THAT HAVE LESSER VOLUMES.
THEN THE PHASE 3 OR THE AFTER IS SYCAMORE LANE, WHICH IS A STREET THAT I THINK FROM WHAT I'M HEARING IS ONE THAT WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE REDONE IN THE FUTURE.
BUT THE CRACK SEALING IS THAT RIGHT, GARY?
>> CRACK SEALING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, A STRONG MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WILL HELP TO LENGTHEN THE TIME OF THAT STREET.
I HATE TO SAY IT'S A RELATIVELY NEW STREET IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING TO THROW OUT.
CINDY, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH STREETS AND THINGS, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW WE DO TACKLE PRIORITIZING THE STREETS, HOW DO WE START ON THINGS? YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS?
>> IT DOESN'T SEEM FAIR TO THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THE STREETS BUT I OBVIOUSLY AGREE WITH SOME OF YOUR ASSUMPTIONS THAT THE TRAFFIC STREETS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED FIRST.
IF THERE'S ONLY 10 RESIDENTS ON A STREET, WELL, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITY, BUT WITH LIMITED MONEY, YOU HAVE TO PUT IT WHERE IT HAS THE BIGGEST IMPACT, IN MY OPINION, AND MAYBE HAVE A MIX
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OF THE WORST STREETS AND THEN THE HIGH-VOLUME STREETS.BUT YOU KNOW IT'S A TOUGH DECISION ON HOW TO PICK AND CHOOSE.
>> THE OTHER THING TOO IS THAT YOU CAN CONCENTRATE THESE DECISIONS TO THE POINT THAT YOU NEVER GET OFF THE DIME EITHER.
I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS MAYBE A MIX OF THAT WHERE THERE WERE SOME THAT WERE IN VERY BAD CONDITION LET'S GET THAT DONE AND THEN LET'S HAVE SOME OF THESE LARGER PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE HIGH-VOLUME STREETS AND GET STARTED ON IT OR AT LEAST PLAN TO GET STARTED ON IT.
>> I THINK ALSO, IF THERE IS A PLAN AND PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT, OKAY, MY STREET IS NOT THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S TWO YEARS FROM NOW, THEY CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE TRYING TO [OVERLAPPING]
>> EXACTLY. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO TERRY AND I AS WELL AS LUKE AND WE'RE WORKING WITH GARY, AND OF COURSE, JOHN IS THAT IF WE DON'T GET STARTED, WE'LL NEVER GET ANYWHERE.
OBVIOUSLY, THEN ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE DISGRUNTLED BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEING THAT NOTHING IS GOING FORWARD.
THIS ALSO GIVES THEM SOME VISIBILITY, ALBEIT AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, BUT THEY CAN SEE WHAT THE COST IS GOING TO BE TO DO THIS.
IF THERE IS PUSH-BACK THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT COSTING TO IMPLEMENT DIFFERENT FUNDING METHODS THEN WE CA.
N GET THAT FEEDBACK FROM THEM.
A PORTION OF THAT IS COUNTY AND THE SOUTHERN END AND THE NORTHERN END BEFORE YOU GET TO LUCAS [LAUGHTER] IS PARKER.
DO THESE NUMBERS, YOUR GUESSTIMATES UP THERE REFLECT THAT, THAT WE WOULD ONLY DO THE PARKER PORTION? THAT'S QUESTION NUMBER 1.
QUESTION NUMBER 2 IS, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO STREETS, I BELIEVE, AND MAYBE REDUCE THE COST?
>> I THINK IF WE DID A JOINT PROJECT, IT WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO BE DONE WITH LUCAS, THE COUNTY, AND OURSELVES, AND WE WOULD NEED TO, AT THE SAME TIME, MAYBE DO SOME BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENTS, FIGURING OUT WHO OWNS WHAT PART OF THE ROAD WINDS TO THIS ZIGZAG THROUGH THERE.
THE ONLY ISSUE I THINK WE WOULD SEE IS WITH THE SUB-BASE THAT WE'VE FOUND WITH KINGS CROSSING PHASE 3 ON LEWIS LANE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT GEO MAP PUT DOWN THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE ROADWAY.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S HOLDING UP A LOT BETTER WITH THAT GEO FABRIC MAP THAT WE'VE HAD PUT DOWN.
>> GLASS PAVE, YEAH. WITH THAT PHASE 3 THAT STEVE SOLOMON'S COMPANY DID.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S HELD UP QUITE WELL SINCE THEN WITH ALL THE TRUCK TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING.
>> SO FAR SO GOOD. [LAUGHTER] THE LINEAR FEET THAT YOU'RE SEEING AND I'M SORRY, YOU MAY SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT HERE THAN YOU SAW IN ANOTHER SCHEDULE BECAUSE THAT LEWIS LANE LINEAR FEET CHANGES BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW.
THIS IS WHAT I THINK IS PARKER'S PIECE, ACTUALLY SITTING DOWN IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT AND I THINK GOING TO BE PART OF THE PROJECT.
IDENTIFYING THESE STREETS, DUBLIN ROAD AND LEWIS LANE ARE TWO OF THE PROJECTS THAT I SEE IF WE DECIDE, WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED NOW, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND HERE'S THE WHOLE PROJECT, WE MAY DECIDE, LET'S DO THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS FIRST BECAUSE THE ENGINEERING AND ALL THE PLANNING ISN'T GOING TO BE AS INTENSIVE AS DUBLIN ROAD AND LEWIS LANE.
BUT IT GETS ON THE PRIORITY LIST FOR THEE CITY KNOWS THESE ARE THE PRIORITIES.
THESE ARE THE STREETS WE'RE WORKING ON TODAY.
THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THEIR PROBLEM, BUT THEY'RE IN THE NEXT PHASE.
AGAIN, IT GIVES PEOPLE THE KNOWLEDGE, THE RESONANCE, SOMETHING TO SEND BACK TO THEM THAT SAYS, WE ARE WORKING ON THIS, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
HERE'S THE IMPACT WE'RE MAKING AND HERE'S HOW WE'RE GETTING TO THE END RESULT, RIGHT LUKE? [LAUGHTER] QUESTION, YOU MENTIONED KINGS CROSSING 3 AND LEWIS LANE, WHEN THEY DID, I ASSUME THEY DID A GEOTECHNICAL SURVEY?
>> YEAH, THEY HAD TO DO BORING SAMPLES.
THEY HAD TO DO THE WHOLE KIT AND CABOODLE BEFORE JOHN WOULD APPROVE ANYTHING GOING ON ON LEWIS LANE THERE. [BACKGROUND].
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>> IS THERE ANY? [OVERLAPPING]
WHEN THEY HAD GEO TECH DONE IN THE SUBDIVISION BUT THERE WERE SOME CONTROVERSY OF WHO IS SUPPOSED TO DO THE ROAD AND NOT DO THE ROAD, SO THERE WAS NO GEO TECH DONE ON THE ROAD.
WHAT WE DID WAS WHAT WE DID ON SPRING HILL ESTATES WITH THE WITH THE FABRIC.
WE'RE SEEING THAT BEING VERY SUCCESSFUL AND WE FORCED THAT DOWN TO HIM TO RE-MIX, TO USE THIS FABRIC.
WE ACTUALLY REMIXED. WE PUT A LAYER OF HOT MIX DOWN, WE PUT THE FIBERGLASS LAYER, AND THEN WE PUT TWO INCHES HOT MIX ON TOP.
>> I WAS GOING TO ASK IF YOU HAD DONE IT, DO WE NEED GEO TECH? I GUESS, MAYBE THAT IS STILL A QUESTION OF DO WE NEED A GEO TECH ON THAT STREET?
>> THEY HAVE THE GEO TECH TO KNOW EXACTLY THE SOILS.
THE SOILS CHANGE AS YOU GO DOWN.
THE GEO TECH HAS WANTED TO DO SOIL BORINGS ABOUT EVERY 500 FEET BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE OF THINGS CHANGING AND THEN YOU REALLY ARE ABLE TO OPTIMIZE THE REMIX, THE MATERIALS YOU PUT IN AND THE AMOUNT YOU PUT IN.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO IN AND DO A CONCRETE STREET, WHAT PAVEMENT STRUCTURE DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IF YOU'RE GOING TO OVERLAY, IF WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE A 20-YEAR LIFE, WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, THEN WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT TO FIGURE OUT THE THICKNESS OF THE HOT MIX THAT WOULD GO DOWN TO STRENGTHEN THE ROAD.
>> TERRY, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD WEIGH PRETTY HEAVILY IN THE DECISION PROCESS IS THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE SEVERE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS, THE LEWIS AND KARA, THOSE TWO STREETS HAVE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS AND THERE'S OTHERS.
THAT MAY BE A FACTOR THAT YOU NEED TO WEIGH IN WHEN YOU EVALUATE THAT TOO.
ALTHOUGH THEY'RE NOT TOO MANY RESIDENTS ON THOSE STREETS, BUT THEY'RE IMPACTED MORE SEVERELY.
>> SOME OF THE ISSUES LIKE ON EASY ACRES IN ELISA AND KARA, GETTING INTO MORE THAN JUST THE STREET DRAINAGE, IT GETS INTO THAT DRAINAGE DITCH, IS THAT PART OF THE ISSUE?
>> THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF TO CONSIDER IN THAT AREA.
>> THERE'S A WHOLE FLOOD WAY THROUGH THAT WHOLE AREA.
>> THERE'S A FLOOD WAY THROUGH THERE, YEAH.
>> WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT RIGHT AWAY AND ALL THAT, WHAT SHOULD WE HAVE IN HERE [LAUGHTER] ALSO AT RIGHT AWAY AS ANOTHER CHALLENGE THAT WE SEE. RIGHT.
>> BUT I GUESS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO MAKE THE CALL AS TO WHAT STREETS WE'RE GOING TO START WITH, AND THAT'S WHY WE TRIED TO LAY IT OUT TO WHERE THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT SO FAR.
THIS IS WE COULD JUST TAKE WITH THE BORING PROPOSAL WE HAVE AND GO FROM THERE OR WE CAN THINK A LITTLE MORE STRATEGICALLY BECAUSE I THINK AT THE TIME THE IDENTIFICATION, THE NEED FOR BORING SAMPLES WAS A GOOD ONE, BUT HOW WE TACKLED IT MAYBE WASN'T THE BEST SOLUTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO FEEL LIKE WE HAVE AN IDENTIFICATION OF STREETS THAT WE'RE GOING TO AT THE BEGINNING SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING FROM.
YEAH, THESE ARE THE STREETS WE'RE GOING TO TACKLE, AND SO WE WANT BORING SAMPLES ON THESE STREETS, IT WILL REQUIRE AN UPDATED PROPOSAL FROM THE GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEERS PROPOSAL, JUST TRIED TO LOOK AT IT TO SEE.
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THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'VE GOT, PHASE 1 HAS 36 SAMPLES, 18,000 LINEAR FEET, SO 600 DOLLARS PER BORING SAMPLE, AND $1.19 PER LINEAR FEET ALL OVER THE PLACE.BUT I THINK MS. BIRKHOFF, YOU'VE MENTIONED THE MORE IF YOU HAVE A BIGGER PROJECT, AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER BECAUSE THE ARE DOING THINGS AND SO THAT'S WHAT HELPS KEEP THE COST OF THOSE BORING SAMPLES.
>> MOBILIZATION FOR THEM TO COME OUT. IT'S LIKE A FEE FOR EACH OF APPEARANCE, IF YOU WILL, SO IT CAN DO SOMETHING.
>> THE BORING SAMPLES, IS THAT TYPICAL IN MUNICIPALITIES SO THAT THEY GO THROUGH THE CITY AND DO BORING SAMPLES, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE EVER DONE? I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DONE IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE IN OUR SURROUNDING CITIES HAVE THEY DONE THAT BEFORE THEY PUT IN THE STREET, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR GAINING SOME KNOWLEDGE.
BUT IS IT REALLY WORTH IT? I GUESS IS THE QUESTION.
>> THAT'S A MIXED BAG OF WHAT EVERYBODY DOES.
SOME PEOPLE DO RELIGIOUSLY, OTHERS DON'T DO IT AT ALL.
WHEN YOU MAKE A LARGE CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN SOMETHING AND YOU WANT IT TO LAST, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PAVEMENT DESIGN WORKS WITH THE SOILS AND THE MATERIALS THAT ARE THERE.
WORKING ROADWAYS SOME PLANO, THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, THEY ALL HAVE SOIL BORINGS DONE IN PAVEMENT DESIGN DONE.
WHEN WE GET INTO RESIDENTIAL STREETS, A LOT OF FOLKS, BECAUSE OF MONEY WILL JUST WHAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN DOING IS MIXING AND PUTTING HOT MIX DOWN, AND THEY WILL GET INTO A PAVEMENT DESIGN OR ANYTHING ELSE, AND YOU BUY TIME IT'S A BAND-AID FIX MOST OF THE REMIX, AND ASPHALT, HAVE A 10 YEAR LIFE.
IF YOU DON'T LET IT GO TO POT AND YOU REMIX IT AND YOU START TO SEE IT DETERIORATE YOU CAN START TO OVERLAY IT.
USING THIS FIBERGLASS FABRIC THAT WE STARTED TO USE HERE HAS REALLY CHANGED THE GAME.
IT USED TO BE, YOU WOULD REMIX IT A STREET AND WITHIN 3-6 MONTHS, SO YOU'D HAVE LONGITUDINAL CRACKS OCCURRING IN THE ROAD AND YOU WOULD SEE ALL THOSE AND THAT'S JUST A FUNCTION OF THE UNDERLYING EXPANSIVE MATERIALS.
YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE ASPHALT ROADS THAT HAD BEEN PUT IN THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF ROCK SUBGRADE AND ASPHALT PUT ON IT, AND WE CALL THOSE FLEXIBLE PAVEMENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO MOVE.
BUT THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED FOR THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC VOLUMES THAT YOU'RE EXPERIENCING TODAY, SO EVEN SOME OF THESE OLDER ROADS THAT HAD A LONG LIFE, WE WARN IT OUT.
WHAT DO YOU DO TO EXTEND IT'S LIFE OR REBUILD IT? AND THAT'S THE CHALLENGE, WHEN WE DID SPRING HILL, THE STATES THAT WAS WITH A GEO GRID, SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT.
WHERE WE'VE GONE IN AND WE REMIX IT, WE PUT A LAYER OF HOT MIX.
WE USE SOME POLYMER MATERIALS FOR TECH COAT AND WE HAVE A GRID IN-BETWEEN AND THEN WE HAVE, I THINK TWO OR TWO-AND-A-HALF INCHES OUT MIX.
JUST THROUGH EXPERIENCE, THAT ROADWAY SECTION IS REALLY DOING WELL.
IF WE LOOK AT SYCAMORE, THAT WAS ONE THAT THERE WAS NO FUNDS TO PUT THE LAYER OF HOT MIX, THE FABRIC AND ANOTHER LAYER HOT MIX.
WE PUT IT DOWN AND WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, WE STARTED GETTING LONGITUDINAL CRACKS, WHICH IS PRETTY HISTORIC IN THIS WHOLE AREA.
THEN YOU START THE CRACK SEALING PROCESS.
I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE LATELY.
BUT EVEN IF ROADWAY LIKE THAT, YOU NOW HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THE FIBERGLASS DOWN WITH A TACK COAT AND OVERLAY IT, AND WHAT THAT FIBERGLASS FABRIC IS DOING IS CARRYING THE TENSILE STRENGTH.
WHEN THAT ROAD UNDERNEATH TRIES TO CRACK UP, THOSE STRESSES COME UP AND WE TAKE IT OUT THE SIDE OF THE ROAD INSTEAD OF REFLECTING IT ALL THE WAY UP.
WE'VE TRIED DIFFERENT THINGS HERE AND TRYING TO BE MORE SUCCESSFUL IN
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WHAT WE DO AND THIS GLASS PAVE, IT IS REALLY WORKING.THAT PARTICULAR ROAD WAS ASPHALT AND THAT WAS AN OVERLAY WE DID, BUT WE PUT THE FABRIC DAM AND WE WERE CONTRACTORS SUPPOSED TO FIX SOME OF THE POTHOLES IN IT, AND AS IT TURNED OUT, THEY DIDN'T FIX ANY OF THE POTHOLES.
WHERE THOSE POTHOLES ARE AND THAT'S BEEN TWO YEARS OR THREE, I GUESS THREE YEARS NOW, AND THEY'RE NOT REFLECTING BACK UP BECAUSE THAT FABRIC IS WORKING.
BUT YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME INTEREST TO YOU OR TO GO TO CONCRETE STREETS.
IF YOU REBUILT ASPHALT SORRY TO FLEXIBLE PAVEMENT, YOU'D WANT TO GO IN AND COME IN, TAKE WHAT'S IN THERE, AND IT MAY BE SIX OF STONE AND YOU REALLY NEEDED 12 OR YOU BRING IN A BETTER QUALITY OF CRUSHED STONE INSTEAD OF A RIVER RUN GRAVEL, AND YOU PUT THAT DOWN IN WHETHER YOU USE THE FABRIC BUT ASPHALT TO REALLY DESIGN THE PAVEMENT.
>> GOOD LOOKING AT THE TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP WERE SUPPOSED TO FINISH AFTER THIS ONE.
WHAT IS IT YOU NEED FROM US TODAY?
>> WELL, MY GOAL IS THAT WE GET AGREEMENT ON THE PHASE 1 STREETS THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON, THAT THE CITY CAN THEN TAKE AND REQUEST THE BORING SAMPLES BE DONE.
NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.
WELL DEPENDING ON THE DECISION.
COULD BE LIKELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THAT ORIGINAL PROPOSAL HAS.
BUT GET AN UPDATED PROPOSAL AND GET THAT UNDERWAY.
THEN WITH THAT UNDERWAY, WE'RE GOING TO NEED ALSO AN ESTIMATE FROM MR. BURKE OF HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST.
FOR HIM TO COST OUT THOSE STREETS BASED ON THE RESULTS OF THE GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEERS BORING SAMPLES.
>> GOOD. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU NEED DIRECTION AND WHAT PROPOSAL TO BRING TO COUNCIL FOR THEM TO VOTE ON IT OR TO MODIFY OR GO OVER IT?
>> RIGHT. FROM A HIGH LEVEL, I THINK THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AGREEMENT THAT THIS PATH FORWARD IS THE PATH THAT WE WANT TO TAKE.
I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE WORKSHOP THAT IS ACCEPTABLE.
BUT AS TERRY SAID, WE WANT TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THINGS MOVING.
WE NEED TO PICK WHICH STREETS, ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WE WANT TO GET BORING SAMPLES ON, AND THEN GET ESTIMATES ON THOSE.
THEN THE FOLLOWING PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY GET IT GOING.
>> YEAH. I'M NOT REALLY CONVINCED.
IT JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT IT'S WORTHWHILE DOING BORING SAMPLES ON STREETS LIKE CHURCH LANE, WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS VERY LIGHT.
MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHERS SUBDIVISION STREETS ISN'T WORTH THE INVESTMENT.
THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE.
>> YEAH, THE DIRECTION ON THAT.
I THINK THIS WAS A WHILE BACK NOW LET US MAY BE FOUR MONTHS BACK OR LONGER.
I'M OKAY WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I UNDERSTAND.
IF WE WANT TO SAY, AS MR. BURKE WAS SAYING THAT MAYBE ON SOME OF THOSE OTHER STREETS REPLICATING WHAT HAPPENED AT DONNA, WE CAN JUST HAVE A PATH TO GO FORWARD AND MAYBE WE DO OTHER GEOTECHNICAL STUFF ON SOME OF THE STREETS THAT GET MORE TRAFFIC FLOW.
BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE DECISION WAS THAT WITHOUT HAVING THE BORING SAMPLES, YOU DIDN'T KNOW FOR SURE.
WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COUNCIL AND THE WORKSHOP WAS THAT WE WANTED TO GET THE BORING SAMPLES TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
WE CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO ON THAT AND I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT MR. BURKE HAS A SAY, BUT THAT'S JUST WHERE WE WERE AND THAT'S THE REASON WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.
>> JUST LIKE TO COMMENT ON CHURCH ROAD, A CONDITION THAT IS IN THERE IS SO MUCH MOVEMENT IN THERE.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU PROBABLY REALLY DO NEED TO KNOW.
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HOW EXPENSIVE ARE THEY AND HOW CAN YOU TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TAME IT? WHERE YOU HAVE A STREET? SAY THAT'S PRETTY STABLE AND THERE MAY BE CRACKS OR JUST WORN OUT.MAYBE NOT SO MUCH, BUT YOU SEE LOT OF MOVEMENT EVEN ON THE S-CURVE DOWN ON DUBLIN, A LOT OF BASE FAILURES DOWN THERE AND YOU KNOW, ALL THE ALLIGATOR CRACKING.
THAT'S TELLING YOU SOMETHING'S GOING ON UNDERNEATH.
WHAT IS THAT MATERIAL? THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT BORINGS WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL ON.
>> COULD WE GET YOU ALL TO BRING A PROPOSAL TO COUNCIL THAT INDICATES YOUR SELECTION OF STREETS AND BORING SAMPLES PRETTY MUCH LIKE YOU HAVE LAID OUT THERE FOR COUNCIL TO THEN VOTE ON THAT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE PATH IS PRETTY MUCH LAID OUT.
IS THAT AGREEABLE WITH EVERYBODY?
IT SOUNDS VERY GOOD, TO GET US MOVING ON THIS ASPECT. YEAH.
>> WELL, THIS IS EXCELLENT. THANK YOU ALL.
CHURCH THERE HAS BEEN SOME INTEREST ON DEVELOPING SOMETHING OUT OF THE CHURCH LANE IF THAT DEVELOPS, THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD AT THAT POINT.
>> IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ANYTIME REAL SOON.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
THEY WON'T ALWAYS STAY LIKE THIS.
>> DOESN'T THE PLANO ISD OWN THE PROPERTY THAT.
>> THAT'S NOW ON PARKING ROAD. [OVERLAPPING]
I THINK 30 IS ONLY BUILDABLE THOUGH.
>> THE OTHER ONE IS 30 ABOVE THAT.
>> THEY WOULD EXIT THROUGH CHURCH.
>> THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT AT THIS POINT.
>> WELL, AND IT MAY BE THAT BECAUSE OF QUESTIONS THAT OTHER STREETS OR CONSIDERED FIRST AND WE SEE IF THE BORN SAMPLES PROVE THEIR VALUE.
>> WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE PHASE 2 STREETS ARE AGAIN, THEY'RE LESS TRAFFICKED AND THEY ARE ALSO, AND I'LL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
THEY'RE ALSO CONNECTED TO OR CLOSE PROXIMITY TO SOME OF THE STREETS IN PHASE 1.
THAT BEFORE WE PROCEEDED ON BORING SAMPLES TO PHASE 2, WE WOULD SEE WHICH ONES WE COULD USE THE DATA TO HELP LESS THAN THAT COST FOR THE NEXT THING.
>> ONE OTHER THING I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL IS IF WE COULD SEE THE LAST OR HAVE THE LAST TIME THE STREET HAS BEEN REPAIRED FIXED RELAY.
BECAUSE, AND I KEEP ON PICKING ON CHURCH BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S THE WORST ONE.
BUT HAS THAT BEEN TOUCHED IN THE LAST 30 YEARS? WE DON'T KNOW.
>> I DO HAVE A SCHEDULE IS BEST.
AGAIN, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
GRANT HAD GIVEN ME SOME INFORMATION A WHILE BACK, BUT I'LL PULL THAT TOGETHER AND MAYBE IN A SUMMARY FASHION, BECAUSE MY SPREADSHEETS ARE GETTING TOO WILD.
[LAUGHTER] IDENTIFY THE KEY THINGS ON THE STREET THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
THE DATA'S NOT ALL AVAILABLE, BUT WHAT WE DO HAVE I'LL SHARE THAT SO THAT YOU ALL HAVE THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
EACH OF US CAN DO A ROAD TRIP AND GO THROUGH IT AND UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED?
>> YEAH. IT IS ON THE SPREADSHEET.
>> YEAH, THERE'S A FEW COLUMNS IN THERE.
>> THE ONE OTHER COMMENT THAT IS ON MY MIND, RIGHT NOW.
THE OTHER THING I THINK ABOUT IS THAT, IS THERE ANY TYPE OF PHYSICAL INSPECTION THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO TALK ABOUT? HERE ARE ASYMMETRIC CRACKING, [INAUDIBLE] RATHER CLOSE TO CRACKING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DUE TO JUST WEAR OR OVERALL, WHERE [INAUDIBLE] IS THEIR ASSESSMENT, WE COULD KIND OF TAKE ALL THOSE ROWS, EVEN IF IT LOOKS SOMEWHAT SUBJECTIVE TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER WE WANT TO MAYBE GO FORWARD, ESPECIALLY ON THE NON [INAUDIBLE] TALKING ABOUT.
IF YOU HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, OR HAIR YOU KNOW THAT SOMEHOW WITHIN THE INSPECTIONS THAT WE GET DONE AND THAT MIGHT BE GOOD INFORMATION TO KNOW,
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MAYBE TO ELIMINATE SOME [INAUDIBLE].>> [INAUDIBLE] I KNOW THE CHURCH LAND WAS WITH REMIXED IN 2011.
>> I THINK THE INFORMATION YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS ON THE ROAD CONDITION SURVEY THAT WAS DONE.
BUT AGAIN, [OVERLAPPING] IT'S BEEN A WHILE, SO I'LL TAKE A LOOK BACK AT THOSE SCHEDULES AND IDENTIFY ANY SIGNIFICANT ITEMS WITH MR. MARCHANDO'S ASSISTANCE, JUST TO MAKE SURE I PULL THEM TOGETHER RIGHT.
>> I'M NOT SURE EVERYBODY GOT A COPY OF THE ROAD CONDITIONS, THE SURVEY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> COUNCIL DID GET A COPY OF THE PAGES FOR THE STREETS UNDER CONSIDERATION.
>> NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT IN A PREVIOUS TIME.
[LAUGHTER] BUT AGAIN, THAT'S BEEN A WHILE, SO I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.
THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS, THIS IS TREMENDOUS IF WE CAN BRING SOMETHING TO COUNCIL TO GET THESE BORING SAMPLES APPROVED AND GET THAT WORK UNDERWAY, THAT'D BE GREAT.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO START IDENTIFYING THE WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET A HANDLE ON SOME OF THE OTHER CRITICAL ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT, ONE BEING DRAINAGE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STREETS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STREET ITSELF, BUT NOT THE DRAINAGE.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO ASSESS THE DRAINAGE ON THE STREETS THAT WE AGREE TO PUT IN THIS PHASE 1 TO GET A MORE CONCRETE ESTIMATION OF WHAT THE COST COULD BE TO FIX THAT.
I WON'T TALK ABOUT RIGHTS-OF-WAY.
[LAUGHTER] THAT'S ANOTHER ANIMAL, BUT I THINK THAT'S A LONGER PROJECT FOR SOME OF THE SPECIFIC STREETS.
THE OTHER THING IS THIS QUESTION OF HOW MUCH CAN WE AFFORD? WE'VE GOT TO AND IT COMES INTO PLAY WITH OTHER TOPICS THAT WE'RE NEEDING TO TALK ABOUT.
WE'VE GOT TO GET A HANDLE ON WHAT OUR DEBT CAPACITY IS AND WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING.
IN ADDITION, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER AND MR. SAVAGE MAKES A POINT IN OUR BUDGET SESSIONS.
I THINK THE LAST THREE YEARS MAYBE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SALES TAX, ONE PERCENT SALES TAX THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
IT REQUIRES A VOTE OF THE RESIDENTS, AND I KNOW IT CAME TO THE VOTE OF THE RESIDENTS FOUR YEARS AGO.
BUT IF SALES TAX THAT IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED FOR ROADS, I THINK WOULD REALLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
I THINK IF RESIDENTS KNEW THAT THIS WOULD BE DESIGNATED FOR ROADS, IF THEY SAW THAT WE WERE TRULY MAKING A CONCENTRATED EFFORT IN GETTING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, IN THAT WE'RE WORKING TO ESTABLISH A STRONG MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR OUR STREETS, THE RESIDENTS WOULD VERY QUICKLY SAY, WELL, LET'S SEE, IT'S GOING TO BE HERE OR THERE.
NOT THAT IT'S GOING TO ELIMINATE ANY DEBT POTENTIAL, BUT IT COULD HELP TO COVER THE COST OF OUR ROADS.
I REALLY THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR, I KNOW THAT THE ECONOMY'S TERRIBLE RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT ON THE MAY BALLOT.
THEN THESE ARE OTHER AREAS OF HOW WE DO FINANCING, BUT SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO.
>> PATTY, WOULD YOU PLEASE PUT DOWN SALES TAX ON THE JANUARY 17TH AGENDA? BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY TIME, BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED FOR FEBRUARY TO GO TO THE BALLOT.
WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER TO VOTE ON IT ON THAT MEETING OR BE PREPARED TO VOTE ON IT.
BECAUSE THE MAY BALLOT HAS TO BE DONE BY FEBRUARY [OVERLAPPING] 19TH.
YOU SAID WE'RE WORKING ON A VERY SHORT DEAL THERE.
>> I'LL WORK WITH MR. SAVAGE IF YOU DON'T MIND TO GATHER A FEW MORE PIECES OF DATA.
>> ONLY IF YOU REMEMBER, HE'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I KNOW. [LAUGHTER] THERE'S NOT A LOT AND ACTUALLY, I MIGHT JUST CALL THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE FOR SOME OF THE DATA.
JUST THE BASIC FACTS ON THEIR END AND THEN GET WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR END THAT'S NEEDED. OKAY?
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>> OKAY. AT THIS TIME I AM CLOSING THE WORKSHOP
[2. MUNICIPAL COMPLEX]
ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND WE'LL GO TO MUNICIPAL COMPLEX.WE HAVE 17 MINUTES BECAUSE WE PUT A CLOSED STATE OF 5:00 PM, SO WE HAVE TO STOP AT 5:00 PM.
I'M GOING TO ASK MR. ELLISON TO DEAL WITH MOST OF THIS.
WHERE WE LEFT, WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS UNDER CONSIDERATION.
ONE IS ALL THE BUILDING IN ONE, ANOTHER WAS WHERE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE MADE INTO THIS BUILDING.
WE WENT OUT FOR THE COST POINTS TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST BUYING TO THE RESIDENTS AND MR. ELLISON GOT US THE PRICE POINTS SO I'M GOING TO ASK HIM TO GO OVER WITH IT.
>> ONE SECOND HERE, I'M SORRY.
>> WE'RE GOING AS FAST AS WE COULD [LAUGHTER].
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE STOP US.
OF COURSE, WE'LL HAVE SOME COMPUTER PROGRAMS TO HELP US ALONG.
>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND HERE. THERE WE GO.
THIS RIGHT HERE WOULD BE THE REMODELING OF THE CURRENT CITY HALL AND THE ADDITION.
WHAT WE HAD TO DO IS ADD ABOUT ANOTHER 300 SQUARE FEET COMPARED TO AMANDA'S DESIGN BASED OFF WHAT THE ENGINEER THOUGHT HE HAD TO WORK WITH.
THERE WAS SOME EXTRA SQUARE FOOT THAT HAD TO BE ADDED JUST BECAUSE THINGS WEREN'T LINING UP.
ULTIMATELY, WHEN YOU BREAK IT DOWN TO REMODEL AND DO THE ADDITION HERE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 3.2 MILLION.
THAT INCLUDES, THIS IS ROUGH ESTIMATE.
THIS WAS DONE BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT 3.2 AND THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE LIABILITY OVERHEAD AND CREDIT COST INCREASE, STUFF LIKE THAT FOR THE MOST PART.
>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IN LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULE, I HAVE A QUESTION AS TO WHY THESE NUMBERS ARE BASED UPON NUMBERS SUCH AS SITE CONCRETE, MASS EXCAVATION, BUILDING CONCRETE, COLD FORM METAL FRAMING, ALUMINUM FRAME, STOREFRONT, ARE BASED ON A 7,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WHEN YOU'RE NOT TOTALLY REDOING THE WHOLE PIECE, YOU'RE ONLY ADDING ON, SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE NEEDING CONCRETE FOR THE FULL STRUCTURE?
>> WELL, WHEN THEY LOOKED AT IT, WHEN THEY CAME OUT HERE, WHEN, I FORGET HIS NAME, CAME OUT, BASICALLY, YOU'RE REMOVING ALMOST EVERY WALL ON THIS BUILDING.
TO MOVE THIS BUILDING TO HAVE THE STRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING STILL WORK WITHIN IT.
BECAUSE THERE WAS TWO ROOFS, THERE WAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT WHEN THEY WERE DOING THOSE NUMBERS. GO AHEAD.
>> MAYBE I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT WON'T MEAN THE CONCRETE WORK WOULD BE THAT, RIGHT?
>> NO. I THINK WHAT YOU STILL GOING TO HAVE PARKING LOT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE STILL EXPANDING THE PARKING LOT AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN THOSE AREAS.
YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE SOME OF THESE SUB-BASE ISSUES AROUND THE BUILDING.
YOU JUST HAVE TO DO SOME ADDITIONS ON THERE.
BECAUSE I THINK WHEN IS THAT AT?
>> THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN ADDED ONTO TWICE.
THEY INDICATED THERE WERE SOME EXTRA THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD WORK.
>> YEAH. THERE'S GOING HAVE TO BE SOME EXTENSIVE WORK DONE AROUND
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THE BUILDING TO GET THOSE DRAINAGE WITHIN THE BACKSIDE HERE.WE'RE TRYING NOT TO MESS WITH TOO MUCH AROUND THE BUILDING IN ITSELF.
THEN THERE WERE SOME I THINK WHEN AMANDA DID HER PRESENTATION, SHE ALSO HAD A NEW FRONT FACADE ON IT, SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME THINGS.
THEY BASICALLY JUST TOOK THAT WHOLE ITEM AND WENT THROUGH IT AND PUT IT WITHIN THIS BUILDING.
>> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT STILL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT YOU'RE REDOING EVERYTHING.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS, WELL, I NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT.
>> THEN WITHIN THE CITY HALL, WHAT WE HAD TO DO WITHIN THIS ONE IS WE ALSO PUT IN SOMETHING THAT HAS NEVER BEEN PUT IN BEFORE AS WE ADD THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE BACKSIDE HERE, LIKE THE OLD FIRE DEPARTMENT AND SOME OF THE METAL BUILDINGS.
WE ADDED THOSE COST FACTORS INTO THERE.
WITHIN THIS JUST THE CITY HALL AND THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS PORTION, WITH THE DEMOLITION CAME OUT TO JUST OVER $10 MILLION BASED ON THE DESIGNS THAT WE SENT THEM.
>> NOW, ONE QUESTION IS THAT OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU PUT THE BUILDING ALL-IN-ONE, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO DO ALL THAT, RIGHT?
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN ALL-IN-ONE?
>> [OVERLAPPING] YEAH, YOU STILL GOING TO HAVE TO DO THE DEMO, WHETHER YOU HAVE IT IN TWO OR ONE, YOU'RE PLAYING FOR THE DEMO.
[OVERLAPPING] THEN THE BLUE BUILDING OVER HERE.
>> YOU LOST ME FOR A MINUTE [OVERLAPPING]
>> SORRY. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT HE BROUGHT UP WHEN HE DID A SITE VISIT OUT HERE THAT WE STARTED GOING WELL.
THAT'S NEVER BEEN REALLY BROUGHT UP.
WE NEED TO HAVE THAT NUMBER ALSO.
WITH THIS, IF YOU BASED IT ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND EVERYTHING, HOLD ON.
I GOT AN EMAIL TO MYSELF ON THIS.
IF YOU TOOK THE $670 AND 24 CENTS, WHICH WAS THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY HALL BUILDING, MULTIPLY THAT BY THE 6,500 SQUARE FEET.
THAT EQUATES OUT TO ABOUT 4.3 MILLION, WHICH WOULD BE ADDED ROUGHLY TO THE 9.7, WHICH COMES OUT TO ABOUT 14.1 MILLION FOR THE BUILDING.
JUST IF YOU DID, THE WHOLE BUILDING AS ONE NEW CONSTRUCTION SITE.
>> THAT'S EVERYTHING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT [OVERLAPPING].
>> WITH POLICE, COUNCIL AND CITY HALL.
>> ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT WITH THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE IN THE POLICE BUILDING THEY'RE SEPARATE HARDENING AND ALL THAT THING IN A DIFFERENT COMMUNICATION.
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE MOST COST NEGLIGENT AT THIS POINT, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND THE CITY HALL PORTION, AND THOSE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME IT STUFF, A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF WITHIN THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SOPHISTICATED THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
I THINK THAT WOULD COST OUT OVER ON THE LONG RUN TO THAT 650.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AN ESTIMATE.
>> I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE I REMEMBER IT WAS [OVERLAPPING], WE WENT THROUGH SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS BEFORE.
I REMEMBER THAT WAS A BIG DIFFERENCE ON THE POLICE CHAMBERS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF EXTRA COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN HE WAS OUT HERE, AND WE DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
HE FELT PRETTY COMFORTABLE AT THAT 670 PRICE RANGE.
>> WHAT WAS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE POLICE?
>> IT WAS 6,500 SQUARE FEET, I BELIEVE.
>> THERE'S ONE AMENDED AND I THINK WAS 6,600 SQUARE FEET.
>> THAT WAS USING THE EXISTING BUILDING IN HER ORIGINAL PLANS.
>> BUT IF IT USED WORDS UP WITH THE WHOLE COMPLEX, THEN IT WAS A LITTLE LESS,
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BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY TAUGHT IT TOGETHER OR SOMETHING.>> IT'S GOING TO BE AROUND 6,500 SQUARE FEET, MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT UNDER THAT.
>> DO YOU HAVE A SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON?
>> OPTION A BEING, WE DO THIS BUILDING PLUS A MUNICIPAL ADMINISTRATIVE AND IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS VERSUS HAVING EVERYTHING AT ONE PLACE.
>> IF YOU RENOVATE THIS BUILDING, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 3.2 MILLION JUST FOR THIS BUILDING, AND THEN THE CITY HALL IN ITSELF WOULD BE 10 MILLION, SO YOU'RE LOOKING JUST 13 [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S ABOUT $1 MILLION MORE FOR A NEW BILL TO ADD.
>> EIGHT PERCENT IN MY OPINION, EIGHT PERCENT MORE.
>> ONE THING THAT IS ON HERE, AS I LOOK AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WE STILL ARE LOOKING AT PROPOSALS THAT HAVE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN WHAT WE HAD IN THE LAST BOND PROPOSAL, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS ACCEPTABLE.
>> WHERE WOULD YOU REMOVE SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE?
>> I THINK WE'VE PRESENTED SEVERAL SCENARIOS OF MORE SHARED SPACES.
IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS SINCE WE LOOKED AT THAT, BUT I THINK THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER SCENARIOS THAT USE LESS SPACE.
>> I THOUGHT WE HAD TAKEN IT WHERE IT WAS LESS.
>> WE DID REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
>> YEAH, WE REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE COUNTY CHAMBERS [INAUDIBLE].
>> [OVERLAPPING] ALSO TOOK OUT SOME HALLWAYS OR ONE HALLWAY.
>> THERE ARE SOME COMMON SPACE AREAS LIKE [INAUDIBLE].
>> REAL, THIS WAS THE L-SHAPED THAT WE PRESENTED AT THAT MEETING.
>> THAT EVERYONE SEEMED TO HAVE GOT BEHIND, I GUESS, FOR LACK OF BETTER, BUT THAT ALSO GIVES US JUST IN CASE IF THOSE NUMBERS CAME IN FOR THE RENOVATION WAS CHEAPER HERE, YOU COULD ALWAYS ADD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PORTION ON.
THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE LIKE THIS METHOD HERE OLD OF SILOS WITHIN THE BUILDING.
>> NOW, ONE OTHER COSTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDED, WOULD BE THE OVERALL DEMOLITION AND DECONTAMINATE EVERYTHING OF THIS BUILDING WHEN YOU PUT THE NEW FACILITY THERE, THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED.
>> THERE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY ASBESTOS OR ANYTHING IN IT SINCE IT WAS BUILT IN THE 80S, PRIOR TO THAT MID-70S, I BELIEVE.
WE CAN STILL HAVE SOMEONE JUST DO DOUBLE QUICK CHECK ON THAT.
THERE SHOULDN'T BE IN ASBESTOS FOR THAT.
WE WOULD JUST BE STRAIGHT UP DEMOLITION COSTS AT THIS POINT FOR THAT.
WE'D PROBABLY BE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER THAN THE AMOUNTS FOR, TRYING TO FIND IT, HOLD ON.
>> I'M ALSO ASSUMING THAT THE TAKEAWAY THE DEMO AND THEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO AND HAVE A NEW BUILDING, THEN THIS SIDE IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME RECONSTRUCTED TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE OR YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO HAVE IT IN AN OPEN FIELD OR WHATEVER.
>> LIKE DEMOLITION COSTS BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE.
YOU'RE LOOKING SOMEWHERE IN THOSE PRIZES NUMBERS, ABOUT $8.17 SQUARE FOOT OR 605 AROUND THAT, WITHIN THOSE TWO OPTIONS.
THEN PROBABLY WITH THIS, I WILL JUST TAKE IT DOWN AND PUT GRASS IN, MAYBE PLANT SOME TREES.
MAYBE EVENTUALLY DO HAVE VETERANS PARK HERE, SOMETHING LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD, DOWN THAT LINE, I HOPE.
I'VE HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE OF THESE ARE CERTAIN THINGS, OR YOU CAN PUT A PARK UP HERE.
A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
>> BUT AS FAR AS SEEDING AND [OVERLAPPING] IF YOU'VE JUST SEEDING, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE A LEVELING IT OUT.
GARY, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, SEEDING THIS WOULD COST?
>> DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DO, IT CAN BE FAIRLY EXPENSIVE [INAUDIBLE].
>> THIS BUILDING WOULD STILL BE USED.
>> WELL, IF YOU GUYS TEAR IT DOWN OR WHATEVER IS DECIDED.
>> I THOUGHT THAT EVEN IF WE PUT EVERYTHING UP THERE, THIS WOULD STILL BE USED AS A VOTING SITE FOR STORAGE,
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FOR MEETING ROOMS, FOR TRAINING ROOM.THAT'S WHY WE TOOK THE TRAINING ROOM OUT OF THE FACILITY. ARE YOU SURE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I SEE TERRY SHAKING YOUR HEAD.
WHY WOULD YOU SHAKE YOUR HEAD WHEN WE HAVE A PERFECTLY GOOD AREA TO UTILIZE FOR STORAGE, FOR MEETINGS, AND FOR OTHER THINGS?
>> BECAUSE THE COST OF THIS WOULD BE UNREASONABLE, THAT YOU DON'T NEED.
>> WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FOR THIS BUILDING TO OTHER THAN. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE STRUCTURE IS ABOUT DEAD.
YEAH, YOU'RE TELLING ME THE ROOF STRUCTURE IS GOING TO FALL IN THE WOOD.
THE SIDE WALLS AREN'T ANY GOOD.
BUT YET WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ANY COST ON THAT PLUS THE UTILITIES OF KEEPING THIS BUILDING ON? I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THAT.
>> WOULD YOU SUPPORT ADDING THE TRAINING ROOM BACK INTO THE FACILITY?
>> I THINK IN SOME SCENARIOS WE HAD THE TRAINING ROOM AS PART OF A SHARED AREAS.
>> CAN YOU PULL THAT BACK UP FOR A MINUTE? WE GOT ONE MINUTE.
>> NO. SINCE 2017, IT'S BEEN THE EXACT SAME TIME.
AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE THIS IS BEYOND RIDICULOUS.
NOW THINGS ARE COMING UP AGAIN.
>> I'M NOT SURE WHAT AGREEMENTS YOU'RE RECALLING, BUT I DON'T RECALL AGREEING.
>> I'LL BE HAPPY TO GET THE TYPE AND PLAY IT OR YOU CAN GO HOME AND WATCH IT.
WHEN WE LEFT, THE AGREEMENT WAS EITHER WE GO WITH THAT BUILDING AND PUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOWN HERE, OR IF THAT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE, WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT THERE.
BUT THIS BUILDING WOULD STILL BE USED FOR VOTING AND FOR THINGS THAT WOULDN'T COST A LOT OF MONEY.
IT WOULD COST MAYBE FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD AND I'M GOING ON OTHER PEOPLE.
WE WOULD TAKE THE PODIUM OUT OF HERE.
THIS WOULD BE VOTING AND OR MAYBE MEETING SPACE WHEN VOTING STARTS GOING ON.
IT WOULD BE FIXED FOR TRAINING AND MAYBE SOME STORAGE.
IT WOULD BE FOR NON INEXPENSIVE THINGS THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO DO MUCH OVER $500,000 WORTH OF STUFF TO DISPEL IT.
EITHER I TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD OR [OVERLAPPING]
>> I KNOW I'D NEVER AGREED TO THAT.
YEAH, IF YOU FIND IT ON THE RECORD, SEND IT TO ME.
>> YEAH, I WAS ON THE IMPRESSION WE CAME TO, I DON'T WANT TO REHASH ALL OF THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK HERE, BUT WHAT HAPPENED INITIALLY IS IT WAS A NEW FACILITY AND THEN IT WAS JUST AS A STORAGE FACILITY.
THEN THERE WAS TONS OF CONSTERNATION ON THE VIABILITY OF THIS BUILDING FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
THERE ARE SOME INFORMATION THAT I THINK WAS INITIALLY MISINTERPRETED AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH 100 AND SOME PAGE DOCUMENT THAT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAD GONE THROUGH.
THEN WE FOUND OUT THAT ACTUALLY THE WAY THE FLOODPLAINS WERE DRAWN AND ALL THAT WAS A CHALLENGE.
THEN WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE RIGHT, WE WERE REALLY GOING TO RE-PURPOSE THIS, OR WE WERE GOING TO BASICALLY KNOCK IT DOWN AND DO SOMETHING DOWN THERE.
THOSE WERE THE TWO OPTIONS THAT I REMEMBER.
>> I REMEMBER THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO KNOCK IT DOWN.
WE WERE GOING TO KEEP IT FOR SOMETHING THAT WASN'T EXPENSIVE IF WE DIDN'T DO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE.
>> YEAH. WE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN MY RECOLLECTION EARLY ON THAT WE WERE GOING TO USE THIS STORAGE FACILITY AND I THINK WHERE SOME OF US MAYBE WE'RE AGAINST THAT OR HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT WAS THAT IT SEEMED LIKE WE WEREN'T REDUCING THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE FACILITY.
THAT WAS A CHALLENGE WHEN WE WENT ON BOND THE LAST TIME WE WENT TO THE COMMUNITY.
THE FACT THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME SIZE FACILITY IN THIS FACILITY EXISTING AT THE SAME TIME, APPEARED TO BE A CHALLENGE, AT LEAST FROM THE PEOPLE THAT WERE TALKING TO ME.
YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT KEEPING THIS FACILITY AND ADDING THE NEW FACILITY OR ONE UNIT AT ANOTHER LOCATION.
THEN ONCE WE GOT INTO ALL THE DECISIONS THAT THIS FACILITY WAS VIABLE THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER PATH FOWARD WHERE WE WERE LOOKING
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AT USING THIS AS A VIABLE FACILITY FOR SOME PART OF THE ACTUAL MUNICIPAL USAGE.THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THAT.
WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT THE COST OF BOTH.
>> OVER THE TIME, ANDREY IS GETTING READY TO BEAT ME.
>> TECHNICALLY, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE THE CLOCK.
>> WE'RE NOT? THEN WE CAN GO ON.
I WAS TOLD WE WERE POSTED 3:00 TO 5:00, SO OKAY.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE GO FORWARD OR DO WE GO FORWARD? TERRY?
>> I HAVE HONESTLY NOT SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND I THINK MR. REED MENTIONED THAT THE ABILITY TO LOOK THROUGH THESE THINGS AND HAVE MUCH DISCUSSION WOULD BE DIFFICULT.
ONE, I'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
I HAVEN'T STUDIED THE INFORMATION PROVIDED IN ANY DEPTH.
I HATE TO SAY IT, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH IN THE SAME PLACE WE WERE BEFORE.
YEAH. MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHY WE WERE LOOKING AT GETTING PRICING USING THIS BUILDING AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT VERSUS IT BEING IN THE EXISTING, IN THE NEW BUILDING WOULD BE ONE PIECE OF THE PUZZLE THAT WE COULD FIND.
WE COULD THEN MAKE A PLAN FOR IF THIS WAS A REASONABLE OPTION.
AND HAVING THAT INFORMATION THEN WAS GOING TO PUT US AT THE NEXT DISCUSSION POINT OF WELL, IF THIS WORKS, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS WE COULD DO, OR IF THIS DOESN'T WORK, THEN WHAT ARE THOSE NEXT STEPS?
>> WE TOLD THE PEOPLE AFTER MY ELECTION, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS FOUR YEARS THE NEXT POWER.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS AFTER THE ELECTION THAT OCCURRED IN NOVEMBER.
WHEN IT FAILED, WE TOLD THEM WE WERE GOING GO BACK, REVISE, AND COME TO IT AND THEY MIGHT HAVE IT ON THE BALLOT.
THEN WE TOLD THE PEOPLE, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.
IT'S LOOKING GOOD. WE'LL HAVE IT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
IN NOVEMBER, WE SAID, WE'RE ALMOST THERE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSER.
WE'LL HAVE IT ON THE MAY BALLOT.
MY QUESTION IS THIS, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE IT ON THE MAY BALLOT?
>> IN MY OPINION, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOT MORE WORK ON IT.
I THINK THAT WE HAD A BIG LAW ON THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT AN IMPORTANT PART THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT.
>> APPARENTLY, IT'S NOT VERY IMPORTANT.
>> BUT MY POINT BEING MADAM MAYOR IS THAT WE HAD LOOKED AT THIS.
I NOW DEFINITELY LOOK AT MY NOTES BACK BECAUSE I WAS VERY INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF THESE THINGS AND WE HADN'T HAD A MEETING ON THIS AND AT LEAST FOUR MONTHS.
THE POINT BEING IS THAT BRING IT BACK AND GET US BACK UP TO SPEED ON AND I THINK THAT THESE TWO CONSIDERATIONS NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.
YOU MAY THINK I'M CRAZY, BUT TO ME, A MILLION OR A MILLION AND ONE IS NOT CHUMP CHANGE, DID NOT CONSIDER THE DIFFERENCES ON.
I THINK THAT AS A COUNCIL, WE NEED TO LOOK THROUGH THEM AND DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND WHAT PATH WE WANT TO GO FORWARD JUST LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE CIP.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK THIS, REVIEW IT IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
HAVE PEOPLE LOOK AT IT, MAYBE IN THE NEXT MEETING, WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL AGAIN AND DECIDE WHAT PATH WE WANT TO GO FORWARD.
BECAUSE I JUST KNOW FROM THE FOLKS THAT I WAS WORKING WITH VERY CLOSELY ON THIS FOR MANY MONTHS WHEN WE WERE HAVING REPEATED MEETINGS BEFORE IT WENT TO OUR WORKSHOPS STATUS, WHICH WAS ABRUPT AND THEN WE'VE ONLY ACTUALLY HAD ONE WORKSHOP, AND THIS ONE SINCE THEN.
THE DETAILS THAT I HAVE HEARD WAS AGAIN AND MY CONCERN IS THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE DETAILS OF WHAT THE LAST PROPOSAL IS BECAUSE WE SWITCHED IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT WHERE I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE MORE PALATABLE AS PEOPLE WERE MORE INVOLVED WITH IT.
AGAIN, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ALL THE SQUARE FOOTAGES OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS BUT TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS, ESPECIALLY IF THIS FACILITY STILL IS OPERATING AND THE PURPOSE OF IT,
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I WAS AT A STICKING POINT BEFORE WHEN THIS IS JUST SET AS "STORAGE UNIT" AND I'M STILL AT THAT STEAM STICKING POINT BECAUSE NOW WHAT HAPPENS IS THIS 4,000 SQUARE FEET TECHNICALLY AS PART OF THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, SO YOU WOULD ADD THAT TO THE EXISTING COMPLEX AND I THINK THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE FOOTPRINT MAY BE A CHALLENGE FOR OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE COMPREHEND.>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE REASON WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY MORE FACILITY MEETINGS IS BECAUSE NO ONE'S BEEN AVAILABLE TO MEET.
I THINK YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF THAT.
>> HOWEVER, I WOULD ARGUE THAT IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS, I'VE CERTAINLY BEEN AVAILABLE FOR CERTAIN MEETINGS THAT I'VE BEEN TO.
DIANE, IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE TO GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER.
WE STILL NEED TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
>> I AGREE, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO TELL THE PEOPLE THE TRUTH AND WHEN WE KEEP SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS BY DIANE AND KNOWING WE BOUGHT IT ON, IT'S TWO YEARS.
AT WHAT POINT DOES IT STOP? BECAUSE I GET CALLS.
WHENEVER I GO OUT ON NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WON'T KNOW.
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET A PERMANENT BUILDING FOR OUR POLICE? THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY INFURIATED THAT OUR POLICE DON'T HAVE A BUILDING.
THEY WANT TO KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO STOP AND I'M NOT GOING TO USE SOME OF THE TERMS I USE BUT WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HIT A BUILDING.
THEY SEE THIS AS JUST GOING ON AND ON AND ON AND I'M MAD.
I'M VERY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I GUESS I REALLY SHOULD HAVE PLAYED BACK THE TYPE FOR EVERYBODY.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY AT ONE MEETING, NOBODY WANTS THIS BUILDING DEMOLISHED.
IT SHOULD BE USED FOR SOMETHING AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD BE ADDED INTO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THAT.
>> JUST FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT IF THIS BUILDING IS UTILIZED, WHAT IT SHOULD BE UTILIZED FOR SHOULD REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE OTHER FACILITY.
I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT FROM DAY 1 AND THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL THAT WAS BEING THROWN OUT NOW IF WE WOULD GO WITH THE FACILITY ALTOGETHER, WHICH AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH.
I MEAN, WHENEVER THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY DECIDES THAT THEY WANT TO DO, I WILL SUPPORT THAT.
MY POINT BEING IS THAT I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM DOLLARS AND CENTS STANDPOINT AND JUST FROM GETTING THIS JUST VERY SHORT NOTICE AND WHEN THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MEETINGS WHICH I HAVE ATTENDED, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH A VERY DEMANDING FULL-TIME JOB RIGHT NOW AND THEN I WILL GLADLY DONATE TO THE CITY BECAUSE I LIKE TO DO THIS.
BUT MY POINT BEING IS THAT GET THIS AND I SEE THAT THERE'S A MILLION-DOLLAR DIFFERENCE.
THAT'S AN AMOUNT OF MONEY, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I CONSIDER.
IF I WAS DOING A BUDGET FOR MY COMPANY AND IT WAS A MILLION DOLLARS DIFFERENT OR $13 MILLION SPENT, I WOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER IT.
THAT'S MY POINT IN THAT BEING A LARGER SPEND NUMBER 1, I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT BEING THE FACT THAT WITH THAT LARGER SPEND, THIS FACILITY WOULD STILL BE EXISTING, WHICH IS ADDITIONAL EXPENSES, WHICH COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH HAD TALKED ABOUT.
THOSE ARE CONSIDERATIONS THAT I THINK ARE THINGS THAT AS THE PEOPLE I REPRESENT WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
AGAIN, BEING CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I'VE ALWAYS SAID IS THAT IF THIS FACILITY DOES EXIST, IT SHOULD TAKE AWAY FROM SQUARE FOOTAGE DOWN THERE AND I DON'T THINK THIS PROPOSAL SHOWS THAT.
>> AS I RECALL, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, YOU WERE VERY ADAMANT THAT MANY RESIDENTS DID NOT WANT THIS BUILDING TRASH, THEY WANTED IT USED FOR SOMETHING.
>> CORRECT. AGAIN, THE MANY OF THE CONSTITUENTS THAT HAD TALKED TO ME, OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S NOT EVERY CONSTITUENT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, BUT MANY THEN HAVE TALKED TO ME WANTED TO SEE THIS USED AND BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE OVERALL FACILITY.
>> USED FOR CORE FUNCTION OF THE CITY.
>> AGAIN, SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT ONE, I THINK VERY KEY FACTOR IN THESE DISCUSSIONS, AND A LOT OF TIMES I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'VE GONE TWO YEARS I'LL BE TWO YEARS ON COUNCIL IN MAY, I UNDERSTAND.
HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY THAT THE FIRST YEAR
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AND CHANGE OF THAT AND I'LL GO GET THE EXACT DATES ON THESE, I GUARANTEE YOU BECAUSE I DID THE MINUTES ON MOST ALL THE MEETINGS.THE CHALLENGE THAT WAS ALWAYS BROUGHT UP IS THAT THIS FACILITY WAS NOT IN A STATE OR THE ABILITY TO BE PUT INTO A STATE THAT IT COULD BE USED FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A STORAGE FACILITY AND THAT WENT ON FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
I MEAN, I CAN GO THROUGH ALL THE MINUTES OF HOW THAT WENT OUT, AND THEN WE GOT TO THE POINT, IT HAD TO DO WITH THE FLOODPLAIN, IT HAD TO DO WITH THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING AND THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT TOOK US ABOUT A YEAR TO GET THAT RIGHT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST YEAR OF IT, THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THE DISCUSSIONS WERE ALL AT DIFFERENT SCENARIOS FROM AMANDA AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT HAD COME AND PUT THINGS TOGETHER WHEN WE WERE HAVING THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED IN THE MEETINGS.
THEN THERE WAS ONE MEETING WHERE LUKE CAME IN THAT WAS A MELDING OF THAT WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THIS PLAN AND THEN WE WANTED TO SEE WHAT COSTING WAS.
HE CAME UP WITH A PLAN AND WE SAID, HEY, LET'S GO LOOK AT THE COSTING OF THE TWO PLANS.
THIS IS THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THAT AND HERE'S WHERE WE ARE.
>> MAY I JUST SAY SOMETHING? I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LAYOUT OF THAT BUILDING.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS BUILDING HERE BEING UTILIZED FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
TO ME, THAT SHOULD NOT BE A DEAL BREAKER.
NUMBER 1, IT WOULD COST MORE TO KNOCK THIS THING DOWN THAN IT IS TO UTILIZE IT FOR A TRAINING ROOM, STORAGE, AND VOTING CENTER.
THAT ARGUMENT TO ME IS RIDICULOUS.
KEEPING THIS BUILDING MAKES MORE SENSE THAN DESTROYING IT.
THE OTHER ISSUE THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAYOUT OF THE NEW FACILITY, THERE REALLY IS INADEQUATE STORAGE IN THE BUILDING THE WAY IT IS NOW.
I THINK THAT WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE LONG-TERM STORAGE AN ALTERNATIVE TO LONG-TERM STORAGE IN THIS EXISTING BUILDING.
I THINK SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS ARE MAYBE A MISUNDERSTANDING OR MAYBE PEOPLE JUST NOT REMEMBERING THINGS, BUT THE RESULT IS WHETHER THIS IS USED OR NOT USED IS IRRELEVANT.
BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT COSTS MORE TO TAKE THIS BUILDING DOWN THAN IT WOULD COST TO REVAMP IT SLIGHTLY AND HAVE AN ACTUAL PRACTICAL USE THAT THE RESIDENTS OF PARKER WOULD BENEFIT FROM BY.
I THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON THE LAYOUT AND THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.
>> I DON'T REMEMBER AND MAYBE THIS WAS EARLY ON.
I DON'T THINK SO, BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN WHERE WE TOOK OUT 500 SQUARE FEET OF STORAGE BY SIDE OF THAT BUILDING AND WE TOOK OUT THE TRAINING ROOM BECAUSE WE FELT THIS WOULD WORK FOR THAT WITHOUT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY GOING INTO THIS BUILDING.
BECAUSE WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT MAKING THIS AS SLEEPING QUARTERS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WE DECIDED NO, THAT WAS EXPENSIVE TO REDO THAT.
IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WE KEEP GOING OVER THE SAME STUFF, AND THE SAME STUFF, AND WE DO NOT MOVE FORWARD.
I'M TIRED OF GETTING ASKED BY PEOPLE OR RESIDENTS, ARE Y'ALL EVER GOING TO GET THIS DONE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL THEM ANYMORE.
WHEN I TELL WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT ON THIS BALLOT.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT ON-.
>> AGAIN, I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE DUE DILIGENCE DONE TO GO THROUGH IT IN MORE DETAIL.
I'M SORRY, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE I'M CONTROVERSIAL ON THIS.
I'M NOT BEING CONTROVERSIAL TO COUNCIL.
REMEMBER MYER'S COMMENT ON I THINK IT'S LIKE 40-$50,000 TO KNOCK THIS DOWN.
THAT'S THE NUMBER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WE'LL GO OFFSETTING IF WE WANT TO REDO THIS.
BUT MY POINT BEING IS THAT ALL THOSE NUMBERS NEED TO BE REVIEWED AND I THINK WE NEED TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF INFORMATION SO PEOPLE CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE DECISION ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO BECAUSE IT IS A BIG DEAL TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THIS BOND FORWARD.
WE DO NOT WANT TO GO FORWARD ON A BAD FOOT AGAIN.
MY POINT BEING IS THAT, AGAIN, THERE'S BEEN A BIG GAP IN MEETINGS,
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ACTIVITY, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING WITH IT.AS I SAID, THERE WAS ALMOST A FULL YEAR OF INFORMATION THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT MISGUIDED.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE COME TOGETHER ON THIS, PULL ALL THE INFORMATION TOGETHER.
I WILL SUPPORT THE PLAN THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO FORTH WITH, WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE ABRUPT BECAUSE WE HAD NOT TALKED ABOUT IT VERY LONG.
>> WELL, BUT HERE'S THE OTHER THING, IS THE ELECTION WOULD BE A BOND ELECTION AND NOT NECESSARILY APPROVING A LAYOUT.
IF WE COULD GET THE BOND ELECTION ON THE BALLOT, AND IF IT PASSES, WE STILL HAVE TIME, IN THE MEANTIME, TO BE MESSING AROUND WITH THE LAYOUT.
>> FIRST OF ALL, Y'ALL GOT THIS BEFORE OCTOBER 1ST BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN LUKE SEND IT OUT.
SINCE THEN WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER.
I WANTED EVERYBODY HERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS THAT IMPORTANT AND THAT JUST HADN'T OCCURRED.
OBVIOUSLY, IT STILL HASN'T OCCURRED BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT EVERYBODY HERE TO DUCK.
I LIKE CINDY'S POINT, ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO, IF COUNCIL WOULD THINK THIS MAKES ANY KIND OF SENSE, IS WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT A BOND AMOUNT ON THE BALLOT.
IF WE GET APPROVAL, WE STILL CAN CONTINUE WORKING ALL THIS TIME ON WHAT FINALLY WOULD BE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EVERY NAIL IN PLACE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EVERY ELECTRICAL SOCKET.
BUT AT LEAST THAT WOULD GIVE US APPROVAL.
THEN WHEN WE NEEDED IT, WE COULD TAKE OUT THE BOND.
WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE BOND RIGHT THEN.
WE COULD JUST HAVE APPROVAL WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO KNOW WE HAVE THE APPROVAL, NOW WE CAN GO FORWARD.
WHETHER THE CITIZENS WOULD LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK THEY WOULD LIKE ANYTHING [LAUGHTER] THAT SHOWED FORWARD MOVEMENT.
>> MY FEELING IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A PRETTY CRISP PLAN ON HOW WE'RE GOING FORWARD BEFORE WE GO FORWARD FOR THE BOND.
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY A CRISP PLAN?
>> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RATHER THAN GO FOR A BOND FOR, 13-$14 MILLION AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORK OUT THE DETAILS LATER ON.
THAT'S JUST MY OPINION ON THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE GOT BEFORE AND THE FEEDBACK THAT I STILL GET.
>> YOU UNDERSTAND ALMOST EVERY OTHER CITY DOES IT THAT WAY.
THEY SAY, "WE NEED A NEW LIBRARY.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT A BOND FOR X MONEY, DOLLARS." THEN ONCE THEY HAVE APPROVAL THEN THEY START WITH THEIR ARCHITECT AND GET EVERYTHING DONE.
WE DO IT BACKWARDS, OF COURSE, THAT'S PARKER WE DO THINGS [INAUDIBLE].
>> ACTUALLY PARKER DID THAT AND HAD MONEY AVAILABLE UNTIL IT EXPIRED NOW, BUT THERE WAS $4 MILLION SET ASIDE FOR A NEW BUILDING AND NOTHING WAS EVER DONE.
THAT COVERED TWO OR THREE MAYORS IN THE PAST THAT HAD THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND THEY FELL A LITTLE BIT SHORT.
BUT THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
AT SOME POINT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD.
AGAIN, MY TENURE HAS BEEN A YEAR AND SIX MONTHS OR SO.
THIS IS VERY SHORT ON MY BEHALF AND AS I SAID, I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF ACTIVITY.
I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THINGS IN ORDER A LITTLE MORE.
THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. AGAIN, AS YOU SAID, WE HAVE A QUORUM, BUT THAT'S ALL.
WE DON'T HAVE EVERYONE HERE FOR THE WORKSHOP.
>> MAYBE WE SHOULD PROPOSE MEETING EVERY WEEK UNTIL THE DEADLINE.
I MEAN, IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOUR MEETINGS-
>> WELL, AT WHAT POINT DO WE HAVE TO GET WITH BOND COUNCIL? BECAUSE ALL OF THAT TAKES TIME AND HAS TO BE DONE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BEFORE WE GO TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.
>> WE WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH ERIC AND WHAT'S HIS NAME?
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>> WE'D HAVE TO GET WITH THEM ON THAT AND SEE IF THEY HAVE A TIMELINE.
I THINK THEY HAVE A TIMELINE BUILT OUT.
>> WHAT WOULD YOUR GUESS BE IF WE TOLD THEM TO DIE? PREPARE FOR JUST SO WE CAN BE READY AS IF.
WOULD THERE BE ENOUGH TIME OR IS THERE WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM THAT INFORMATION BY X DATE?
>> WE STILL GOTTA GET LANGUAGE CLEAR TO THE AG'S OFFICE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THERE'S CERTAIN ASPECTS WE'D HAVE TO DO BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN BE PUT ON THE BALLOT.
GREG, CAN YOU LOOK AT THAT? SEND THE E-MAIL OUT ONCE YOU FIND THAT OUT.
>> DO YOU FEEL WE COULD WORK AND GET IT TOGETHER ENOUGH TO GET IT ON THE MAY BALLOT?
I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ECONOMY RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THINGS ARE WITH INFLATION, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BRINGING THAT TO THE RESIDENTS NOW, WITHOUT THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, THE INFORMATION ABOUT OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THERE.
I THINK I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE THAT THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE LOOKED AT TOGETHER TO SEE WHAT OUR TOTAL CAPACITY IS, SO THAT RESIDENTS ARE COMFORTABLE, THAT THEY KNOW WHAT'S COMING ON THIS CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, BOTH THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX AND STREETS.
I DON'T THINK I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE. DOESN'T HAVE THAT READY.
>> WE CAN CERTAINLY SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
AGAIN, NOT BEING NEGATIVE ABOUT IT.
I JUST THINK THAT IT'S PRETTY TIGHT SCHEDULE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHAT FLASHES OUT.
>> OKAY. LOOKING AT A CALENDAR, IS ANYBODY AVAILABLE TO MEET NEXT WEEK? I DIDN'T SAY, DID ANYBODY WANT TO, I SAID, IS EVERYBODY AVAILABLE? [LAUGHTER].
>> I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT, IT'S ONE THING TO SET A MEETING, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE A CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT.
LIKE I MENTIONED, I THOUGHT ONE OF THE KEY THINGS WAS LOOKING AT THE COST OF THIS TO DO IT AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT VERSUS THE COST OVER THERE.
>> WE HASHED IT OUT. NOW YOU HAVE A SCHEDULE THERE.
LUKE GAVE US THE NUMBER OF, THIS IS WHAT THE NEW BUILDING WOULD BE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT WE HAVEN'T TRULY TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES.
MR. REED HAS TALKED ABOUT, THE BASE NUMBER THERE IS $1 MILLION, SO IT IS LESS EXPENSIVE TO DO THIS BUILDING.
>> I GUESS I'M LOST SOMEWHERE BECAUSE THE NUMBERS HERE SAY THREE MILLION AND HE SAID ONE MILLION.
>> NO, I SAID A MILLION DIFFERENCE.
IT WAS THREE MILLION HERE AND 10 MILLION OVER THERE.
THAT'S 131132 THE OTHER ONE IS 141142, SO IT'S A MILLION DIFFERENCE.
>> YOU'VE GOT ME LOST [LAUGHTER].
>> WHAT'S THE GOAL OF THE MEETING IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO SIT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE [OVERLAPPING].
>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS, IS THERE ANYTHING UNDER GOD'S GREEN EARTH THAT WOULD EVER CAUSE YOU TO AGREE TO FINANCING A NEW BUILDING? BECAUSE FOR SEVEN YEARS NOW, YOU HAVE PUT UP EVERY OBSTACLE YOU POSSIBLY COULD.
>> WELL, AND I WILL TELL YOU I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE CITY FOR SEVEN YEARS, SO I KNOW IT HASN'T BEEN THAT LONG.
MY GOAL IS NOT TO PRESENT OBSTACLES, BUT I WORK BASED ON FACTS AND THE FACTS NEED TO PROVIDE THE ANSWERS TO US AND TO THE RESIDENT OF WHICH PATH WE SHOULD BE GOING FORWARD.
I THINK I'VE BEEN CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING,
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I'M FOR A NEW FACILITY.I'M FOR A FACILITY THAT PROVIDES FOR OUR CITY STAFF TO HAVE AN APPROPRIATE WORK ENVIRONMENT.
THE QUESTION IS WHAT APPROPRIATE VERSUS EXCESSIVE? HOW DO WE GET THERE?
>> I'M NOT GOING TO GO BACK OVER EVERYTHING.
WE'VE GOT FOUR DIFFERENT NEEDS ASSESSMENT STARTING IN 2005 TILL CURRENT, THEY ALL SHOW WE NEED 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
NOW, IN YOUR MIND, THAT'S EXCESSIVE.
WE HAVE GOT IT DOWN TO A LITTLE UNDER 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
AS I THINK IT IS, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.
BUT I UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT YOU SAID IN A PRIOR MEETING, YOU DON'T WANT TO PROVE ANYTHING OVER 15,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT WHEN YOU WERE ASKED WHY, YOU NEVER GAVE AN ANSWER, SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.
>> I THINK SCENARIOS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED THAT SHOW ABOUT THAT SIZE, SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE APPROPRIATE FACILITIES FOR OUR STAFF IN THAT SIZE OF A FACILITY.
>> THANK YOU. THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH IS GETTING THE BOND ON THE BALLOT.
THE REST OF THIS, WHETHER IT'S X AMOUNT OF MONEY OR $2 MILLION LESS IS REALLY IRRELEVANT AT THIS POINT.
WE HAVE BETWEEN NOW TILL THE COWS COME HOME TO DECIDE WHAT THAT BUILDING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IT'S GOING TO BE, ETC.
WE DON'T HAVE TO EXERCISE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE BOND THAT IS APPROVED.
THAT HAPPENED, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY SINCE YOU HAVEN'T BEEN IN A CITY THAT LONG, WHEN THEY BUILT THE FIRE STATION, THE BOND WAS TAKEN OUT FOR BOTH THE FIRE STATION IN A NEW CITY HALL.
THEY BUILT THE FIRE STATION, THE REST OF IT, THE CITY HALL WAS NEVER DONE.
THE $4 MILLION AND I BELIEVE IT WAS $4 MILLION WAS SITTING THERE UNTIL IT EXPIRES.
>> IT WAS ROUGHLY 1.7 MILLION.
>> THAT WAS HOW MUCH WAS LEFT OVER IN THE BOND.
>> WELL, MAYBE AT THAT TIME IT WAS ENOUGH 1.7 MILLION COULD BUILD A CITY HALL [LAUGHTER].
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU DON'T WANT TO APPROVE THE BOND BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN THAT YOU LIKE IS WHAT I'M HEARING OR THAT YOU THINK MAYBE COULD BE IMPROVED? WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT'S NOT THE URGENCY THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
WHAT WE HAVE IS LET'S GET THE BUTTON ON THE BALLOT.
WE CAN PUT ENOUGH ON THE BALLOT THAT IF WE DON'T NEED TO USE IT, THAT'S GREAT, EVERYBODY WILL BE REALLY HAPPY.
BUT IF WE DO NEED IT, IT'S THERE.
>> THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS WHAT DICTATES THE COST OF THE BUILDING.
YOU DO NEED TO HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF A CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IF WE'RE 4,000 SQUARE FEET OFF OF SIZE, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER IN DIFFERENCE OF BOND.
>> BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXERCISE ALL OF THAT MONEY.
>> I'LL INTERJECT HERE. I'VE LOOKED AT THIS A LOT, AND IS THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN A CITY GIVE MONEY BACK TO THE BOND, THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
>> WELL, BUT WE WON'T THIS TIME, I GUARANTEE YOU.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT I ACTUALLY HAVE ALREADY MISSED AN APPOINTMENT THAT I WAS WAITING ON BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS WAS DONE AT 5:00 O'CLOCK, SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE PRETTY SOON WHETHER WE'RE DONE OR NOT.
BUT AT ANY RATE, THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THAT THE REAL KEY HERE IS THE RESIDENTS WHO PAY FOR IT.
I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, IT WAS A $9 MILLION BOND AND IT FAILED.
ONE OF THE REASONS IT FAILED WASN'T BECAUSE IT WAS A HEINOUS PLAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT BECAUSE THE WAY THAT IT WAS PRESENTED WAS NOT VERY WELL-DEFINED AND MANY PEOPLE'S ASSESSMENTS OF THE BUILDING,
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THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE LAYOUT.THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER AND THEY THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A BIT EXCESSIVE FOR THE CITY OF OUR SIZE.
MY POINT BEING IS WE GO FOR A BOND OF 14.1 OR $14.5 MILLION, I'M TELLING YOU YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CITY AND THIS RESIDENCE IN AGREEING TO THAT.
THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE OF THIS THING.
MY POINT BEING IS THAT AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND FROM THE FEEDBACK THAT I'M GETTING, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I TOOK THIS POSITION IS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT FORTH A GOOD PLAN THAT HAS BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH AND I CAN GO WITH AN OPEN HEART TO THE RESIDENTS AND AGREE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO GO OUT AND THROW A NUMBER OUT AND THEN PUT IT OUT THERE BIG ENOUGH THAT WELL, IT'LL BE OUT THERE, SO WHATEVER IT WINDS UP BEING, WE CAN APPROVE.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU DO UNDERSTAND IF IT DOESN'T GO ON MAY BALLOT, IT'S A YEAR BEFORE IT HAPPENS.
IT WILL HAVE TO BE THE MAY 24 BALLOT.
THAT MEANS IF IT'S APPROVED AT THAT TIME, IT'LL BE 26, 27 BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET A BUILDING.
>> WHY COULD IT NOT BE NOVEMBER?
>> THERE IS AN ELECTION IN 23.
>> THERE'S ALWAYS THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ELECTION EVERY OTHER YEAR. [OVERLAPPING]
I HAD BEEN TOLD BY SCHUBERT'S OFFICE.
[LAUGHTER] COUNTY MAY NOT BE INVOLVED IN THAT IF IT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL.
>> UNLESS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION THIS TIME, BUT THEY ALWAYS SEEM TO WANT TO AMEND IT. [LAUGHTER]
>> YOU HAVE TOTALLY LOST ME NOW.
THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR EMPLOYEES.
WE'VE ALREADY LOST SOME BECAUSE OF THIS SITUATION AND THE WORKING CONDITIONS.
WE NEED HER AND AT LEAST ONE OTHER PERSON, WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE TO PUT THAT PERSON.
I CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON, YOU'VE HEARD IT ALL AND I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
>> I'M VERY OPEN TO LOOKING AT PLANS. [OVERLAPPING]
THE SAME TOKEN. AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE I'M DISGRUNTLED BECAUSE I'M NOT A LAW.
I THINK WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS ON THIS AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE GONE FORWARD THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY DONE.
AGAIN, I CAN'T HELP BUT SAY THAT THERE WAS ALMOST A YEAR OF INFORMATION THAT WAS NOT ACCURATE AND THAT CAUSED A LOT OF CONSTERNATION THROUGH THE CONSTITUENTS, AS WELL AS THE COMMITTEE AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE PUTTING IT TOGETHER BECAUSE IT WAS FRUSTRATING WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THINGS AND WE'RE GETTING INFORMATION THAT WAS SIMPLY NOT ACCURATE.
THAT CAUSED A BIG BACKUP AND A LOT OF THIS REVIEW.
THERE ARE SOME PLANS THAT ARE GOING FORWARD AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GO FORWARD WITH THESE PLANS AND DECIDE WHAT'S GOING TO BE GOOD, AND THEN AS A GROUP, WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW WE WANT TO GO FORWARD.
BUT MY POINT BEING IS THAT I THINK IT IS PRETTY HASTY TO TRY TO DO IT RIGHT AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, WE NEED TO REVIEW THE DATA A LITTLE MORE.
>> I GUESS THAT AMAZES ME BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD THE NUMBERS FOR MONTHS, A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
>> BUT MY POINT BEING IS THAT WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION HERE EITHER.
IN MY OPINION, THERE'S A DECISION DO YOU WANT TO DO TWO BUILDINGS OR YOU WANT TO DO ONE BUILDING? I GATHER FROM YOU THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE DECISION THAT WE MADE HERE BASED ON THE INFORMATION WAS TO GO WITH ONE BUILDING, AND I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT, SO IN MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK WE'VE MADE A DECISION YET.
>> MAYBE WE CAN SET UP ON THE NEXT MEETING AND CONTINUE THIS HOPEFULLY.
>> WE CAN, WHEN WOULD YOU ALL WANT TO MEET AGAIN?
>> I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE I'M QUITE HONESTLY, I WOULD RATHER OVER THE HOLIDAYS NOT MEET IT'D BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU.
IF IT'S AN ABSOLUTE MUST AND EVERYBODY ELSE WANTS TO MEET, I'LL BE HERE.
I'M IN TOWN, SO I'LL BE AROUND, BUT I WOULD RATHER NOT DO IT.
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I HAVE NO IDEA ON MICHAEL OR DIANA.
>> WE HAVE A SCHEDULED COMP PLAN MEETING ON JANUARY 10TH.
WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO TRY TO MEET BEFORE OR AFTER THAT OR? NO. [LAUGHTER] PROBABLY.
>> LOOKING IN JANUARY 3RD I'M AROUND.
>> LUKE, YOU WANT TO SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO ALL OUR COUNCIL TO SEE WHO CAN BE AVAILABLE WHEN.
BECAUSE I IMAGINE EVERYBODY HAS SOME PLAN OVER THE HOLIDAYS.
IT PROBABLY WON'T BE AFTER JANUARY, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE GOING OUT OF TOWN FOR A WHILE.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE OUT. CAN YOU HAVE THEM SEND THEM PARTIES OUT TOO? [LAUGHTER]
>> THE OTHER OPTION, I THINK IT WAS JANUARY 11TH, [INAUDIBLE] THE EMAILS HERE.
>> TERRY WHAT ABOUT YOU ON JANUARY 11TH?
>> JIM? YOU REALIZE ON THE DAY BEFORE.
[LAUGHTER] YOU KNOW THAT'S, I'M JUST SAYING.
>> WE NEED TO HAVE A SUPER QUORUM, SO ONE, TWO AS LONG AS EVERYONE PROMISES ME, THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE IT. [LAUGHTER]
>> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEND SOMEBODY OUT BECAUSE WE GOT TWO PEOPLE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I ONLY NEED ONE MORE TO SHOW UP FOR THAT MEETING.
>> I DON T KNOW WHAT MICHAEL SCHEDULE IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DIANA'S IS.
>> I'LL HAVE TO SEE IF HE'S STILL AVAILABLE, SO LET ME MAKE SOME PHONE CALLS AFTER THIS AND SEE.
>> WELL, TENTATIVELY PUT IT DOWN.
WHAT TIME WOULD YOU WANT IT TO BE? DAYTIME? NIGHTTIME? LUNCH HOUR?
>> I'LL ALWAYS PICK EVENING, IT'S JUST FOR ME SINCE I WORK, BUT LET ME KNOW I CAN. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHAT'S THE BEST TIME FOR YOU.
>> ME? NORMALLY AFTER 05:00 O'CLOCK.
>> YEAH. BUT I MAKE EXCEPTIONS.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO GO.
I THINK THIS MEETING WILL PROBABLY GO EXTENDED, SO BUT IF IT HAS TO BE 04:00 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S FINE. I CAN DO THAT.
>> IF YOU CHECK ON EVERYBODY ELSE, WE HAVE A TENTATIVE AND IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, I GUESS WE WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO GO FROM HERE.
ANYTHING ELSE? THEN WE'LL ADJOURN IT IS 05:43.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.