I HEREBY CALL THE CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING
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COMMISSION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WORKSHOP TO ORDER.I WILL ASK MR. OLSON WHO IS CURRENTLY HIDING OVER THERE.
DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? MADAM MAYOR, YOU HAVE A SUPER QUORUM.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK EVERYONE TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGES.
SORRY, MADAM MAYOR, ALSO, FOR THE RECORD, WE SHOULD ESTABLISH THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM OF P AND Z.
OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.
[INAUDIBLE] AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM FOR P AND Z.
WELL, MRS. [INAUDIBLE], WILL YOU LEAD US IN THE AMERICAN FLAG.
[INAUDIBLE] WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE TEXAS? THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? [INAUDIBLE] OKAY, AND THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MICHAEL.
[WORKSHOP]
HE HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE COMP PLAN FROM [INAUDIBLE], AND WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST TO GO OVER TOGETHER WHAT THE RULES ARE [INAUDIBLE] MAYBE YOU CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THE LAW IS ON THIS SO THAT AS WE GO FORWARD, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.SO AS MAYOR PETTLE SAID, PRIOR TO MY TERM ON COUNCIL, I WAS ALSO ON THE COMP PLAN UNDER THE LAST COUNCIL MEMBER AND ONCE I WAS ELECTED, I TOOK OVER FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IN THE PACKET, YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL DIFFERENT VARIATIONS, THE FIRST ONE BEING THE 1987.
THAT IS OUR LAST TRUE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT MET ANY FORM OF STATUTORY REQUIREMENT.
OBVIOUSLY, THE CITY HAS CHANGED QUITE A BIT.
IF YOU MOVE FORWARD IN THE HISTORY OF WHAT ISN'T IN HERE, BECAUSE IT WAS BELIEVED TO BE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY A COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCES IN 2000.
THAT DID NOT CONSTITUTE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN HERE.
IT WAS ACTUALLY JUST ZONING ORDINANCES.
IT'S IN THERE AND YOU HAVE TO SCROLL SLOWLY OR YOU'LL GO RIGHT PAST IT BECAUSE IT'S THREE MAPS AND AN ORDINANCE, AND THE ORDINANCE STATES THAT IT REPEALS OR REPLACES ALL PRIOR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
SO IT WAS NOT AN UPDATE TO THE 87.
BASED ON MY OPINION AND PREVIOUSLY COUNCIL'S HAD BEEN KIND OF TALKING TO CURRENT [INAUDIBLE] ADMINISTRATOR IN COUNCIL.
THEY ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE MAPS THAT P AND Z [INAUDIBLE] FORMAL APPROVAL.
THEY WERE THE ANNEXATION MAP, ETJ THE MAP AND ROADWAY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE IN A FUTURE USE MAP.
THAT WAS IT. THERE WAS NO ORDINANCES ATTACHED, NOTHING ELSE.
SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT RESPECT INITIALLY.
COUNCIL'S POSITION HAS BEEN THE COUNCIL WAS GOING TO WORK THIS UNDER A SUBCOMMITTEE, WHICH I LED.
WE HAD SEVERAL RESIDENTS WHO STAYED INVOLVED.
AS COVID TICKED ALONG, RESIDENTS STARTED KIND OF FALLING OFF AND IT ENDED UP COMING DOWN TO MYSELF.
COUNCILMEMBER MYERS HAS BEEN A GREAT HELP.
HE'S HELPED OUT ON QUITE A BIT.
THAT'S WHAT MOST CITIES UTILIZE HISTORICALLY IN THE AREA.
WE SENT OUT A BID. WE RECEIVED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BACK.
NOBODY WOULD BID TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
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LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. SO I TOOK THE 1987 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SET IT ON MY DESK AND LITERALLY TYPED IT OUT BECAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY A TYPEWRITER VERSION.WE DID NOT HAVE A DIGITAL COPY OF IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN THE PACKET, A DIGITIZED VERSION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO IT'S REALLY A NON-DISPUTABLE ITEMS. NOBODY CAN DISPUTE THAT THE [INAUDIBLE] WATER SYSTEMS PROVIDE [INAUDIBLE] WATER ANYMORE.
THEY DON'T [INAUDIBLE] NORTH TEXAS, INFORMATION LIKE THAT.
SO THAT IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
SO THOSE ARE BOTH EXCELLENT ADVANCEMENTS FOR OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IS THAT HOW MUCH INVOLVEMENT DID P AND Z HAVE? TRUTHFULLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY HAD PRIOR TO IT.
LONG BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL, IT MADE IT OVER [INAUDIBLE].
SO [INAUDIBLE] AND IN DOING SO, I DECIDED BEFORE I REALLY DOVE IN ANY FARTHER, WE WANTED THIS JOINT MEETING BECAUSE I WANTED OPEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN COUNCIL P AND Z SO THAT WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND MAKE A PLAN.
IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ITS IDEA [INAUDIBLE] ROAD MAP FOR THE CITY.
IT HAS QUITE A BIT OF [INAUDIBLE] AS FAR AS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT GOES, BUT IT'S ALSO A GOOD FALLBACK FOR FUTURE COUNCILS, [INAUDIBLE] IT'S A ROAD MAP FOR FUTURE COUNCILS.
SO IT WILL HELP TO SHAPE NOT JUST THOSE OF US THAT ARE SITTING ON THE COUNCIL NOW, BUT FUTURE COUNCILS AND FUTURE P AND ZS TO PROHIBIT ZONING ON THE FLY, WHICH PARKER HAS SUFFERED FROM MANY TIMES BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE SOMETHING.
WE HAVE TO SURVEY THEM AND DOING RESEARCH.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY PUT THE SURVEY INFORMATION IN SO IT CAN WORK IN TANDEM WITH REDOING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT WE DO WANT TO SURVEY RESIDENTS AND SO WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO DO THAT, AND THEN WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH POINTED QUESTIONS ON HOW WE WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET SOME STATISTICS ON IT.
SO WE NEED VERY CLEAR CUT ANSWERS THAT PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE FROM.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AND EXPAND ON SOME OF THE FUTURE OF PARKER, BECAUSE THE IDEA IS THAT THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL BE A BASE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT CAN BE UPDATED EVERY 5 TO 7 YEARS SO THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN UPDATABLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO RUN ACROSS AGAIN IN A FEW YEARS WHERE SOMEBODY DECIDES TO REPLACE IT WITH A SET OF MAPS AND HAVE TO START ALL OVER.
WE WANT TO GET THAT ON A ROTATION ONCE THIS IS DONE.
AS COUNCIL WE HAVE DISCUSSED, IT WILL BE AN ONGOING.
I THINK THAT WE'VE COME A LONG WAY IN OUR ORDINANCES THAT'S GOING TO HELP OUT.
THAT'S A GOOD MAJORITY OF THE COMP PLAN AS FAR AS THE GROUNDWORK.
THE QUASI-ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS IN PARKER.
WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT BECAUSE IT WASN'T FORESEEN IN 1987.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION OF WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
IF YOU'RE WONDERING IF THE PIECE OF PROPERTY UP ON LEWIS AND [INAUDIBLE], HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT? EIGHT ACRES THAT IS TECHNICALLY UNDER THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS BROUGHT INTO THIS COMMERCIAL.
WE WANT THIS TO BE A ROADMAP FOR THAT AS WELL.
WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH THOSE ETJS? WHAT CAN BE DONE TO BRING THEM INTO THE CITY? WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE AS THE ROAD MAP FOR PARKER NOW [INAUDIBLE]? THAT'S THE IDEA.
I'VE BEEN GOING OFF ON SOME GUIDES THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PACKET THAT YOU HAVE.
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ONE WAS DONE AND A LOT OF RESEARCH PRESENTED.LIKE I SAID, IN DOING IT, I KIND OF PUT A HALT ON IT.
I CAN GET THE REST OF THE INFORMATION DONE IN JUST A FEW DAYS, BUT BEFORE I DID IT, I DECIDED THAT I WANTED TO SEE HOW COUNCIL AND P AND Z WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THE MOVING OF THIS GOING FORWARD.
SO THE SUBCOMMITTEES GIVE EVERYBODY KIND OF AN UPDATE.
SUBCOMMITTEES [INAUDIBLE] ON THE COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
JUST RECENTLY COUNCIL DECIDED TO ELIMINATE THE SUBCOMMITTEES, BRING EVERYTHING BACK TO COUNCIL AND WORK AS A COUNCIL BASED COMMITTEE, AND THEN WORK WITH THE INDIVIDUAL GROUPS AND THE CITIES THAT ARE NECESSARY TO GET THE ITEMS DONE.
OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE GOT GOING.
OUR BIGGEST OBSTACLE, RATHER [INAUDIBLE] COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I THINK IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO ADDRESS IT DOES ADDRESS MANY THINGS AS FAR AS THE GROWTH IN PARKER THAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THE FUTURE.
SO WITH THAT, I KNOW THAT COUNCILMEMBER MEYER ALSO DID SOME RESEARCH ON SOME OTHER CITIES THAT IF YOU HAD ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO PROVIDE AS FAR AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS? I HAVE MULTIPLE, COMPREHENSIVE PLANS FOR CITIES.
I KIND OF PICKED AND CHOSE SOME OF THE DESIGN IDEAS FROM SOME OF THOSE TO PUT INTO THIS ONE.
SO YOU WILL SEE THAT IN THERE.
THAT'S A WORKING DRAFT WHICH HAS THE INFORMATION CUT AND SPLICE OF WHAT I PUT IN THERE.
I HAVE ALREADY STARTED HANDLING THE FACT BASED INFORMATION SO THAT IT'S NOT [INAUDIBLE] THAT SURVEYING THE RESIDENTS ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE THE MAKEUP OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE WATER PROVIDERS, THE ELECTRIC PROVIDER.
IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT, BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'VE UPDATED SO FAR.
AT THIS TIME [INAUDIBLE] WHICH I DON'T KNOW DOES EVERYBODY KNOW OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, TREY LANSFORD? TREY, WOULD YOU TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT ARE THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS? WELL, TO PASS THE COMP PLAN, BASICALLY WE CAN PROCEED WITH TRYING TO GETTING THIS DRAFT TOGETHER, BUT THEN UNDER THE STATUTE, IT WILL HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY P AND Z WITH A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN COME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL WITH A PUBLIC HEARING THERE, MUCH LIKE WE DID WITH THE MAPS AND WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
IT'LL BE THE SAME KIND OF THING HERE; THE DRAFT WILL GO TO P AND Z, THEY'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, THEY WILL PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION OR A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL POTENTIALLY, BUT WITH WHY AND THEN THAT WOULD THEN COME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL WITH ITS OWN PUBLIC HEARING.
MY SUGGESTION AND THE WAY I WOULD APPROACH THIS IS AND I HAVE IT STARRED , HOPEFULLY WE GET COPIES MADE.
LIKE MICHAEL WAS SAYING, LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE, AND I WENT OUT TO OTHER COUNTY CITIES LUCAS, MURPHY, LAVON, FARMERSVILLE, JOSEPHINE, FAIRVIEW, PRINCETON AND CELINA, AND I TRIED TO CHOOSE CITIES THAT WERE SMALLER CITIES THAT WE COULD LEARN SOMETHING FROM, AND IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THIS AND I ACTUALLY FINISHED THIS LAST NIGHT, I LOOKED AT THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WROTE DOWN THE CHAPTERS THAT THEY HAD, AND THE TOPICS THAT THEY COVER, AND IN MOST CASES IN ALL CASES, I'LL SAY A LOT OF THE FOCUS IS ON COMMERCIAL.
SO TAKING THAT OUT OF THE SCENARIO, TO SOME DEGREE, WE NEED TO LEAVE IT IN TO SOME DEGREE , BUT I THINK THAT GIVES A GOOD OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON HOW OTHER CITIES PUT TOGETHER THEIR PLANS AND WHAT TOPICS AND HOW THEY PRESENTED IT.
BECAUSE THE DOCUMENT FROM 1987, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY READER FRIENDLY.
YOU KNOW, NOBODY WANTS TO SIT THERE AND READ 80 PAGES, SO JUST [INAUDIBLE].
SO I THINK HOW IT'S PRESENTED ALSO LEADS TO HOW IT WILL BE FOLLOWED IN THE MEANING THAT PEOPLE WILL GLEAN FROM IT, AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD TIME TODAY, WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE CHAPTERS AND THE DESCRIPTIONS THAT THEY PUT IN.
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I THINK THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IN BOTH SURVEYING THEIR RESIDENTS AND TAKING THAT INFORMATION AND INCORPORATING IT INTO THE PLAN ITSELF, WHERE APPROPRIATE.IT JUSTIFIES THE PLAN, SO TO SPEAK, AND SOME OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ARE VERY LONG AND SOME ARE VERY SHORT OR A LOT SHORTER.
AGAIN, IT BECOMES USELESS ONCE IT GETS BEYOND A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF PAGES.
SO WOULD YOU ALL BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THE COMPARISON OF THE TOPICS THAT THEY COVERED? YEAH, I GUESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD ASK IS ARE THERE PARTICULAR TOPICS THAT ARE REQUIRED? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBVIOUSLY CAN CONTAIN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, AND YOU CAN GO INTO PROBABLY DETAIL THAT YOU DON'T REALLY NEED TO GET INTO SOMETIMES.
SO I JUST KIND OF LIKE, IS THERE A GOOD OUTLINE? THERE IS A GUIDE, WHICH IS PART OF WHAT I'VE PROVIDED, [INAUDIBLE] THAT A LOT OF CITY USE , AND THEN IF YOU KIND OF LOOK AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ONES AND [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO FIND ONE.
PARKER IS UNIQUE, RIGHT? SO THERE'S NOT VERY MANY CITIES OUT THERE LIKE US.
SO I WAS TRYING TO FIND A LARGER RURAL COMMUNITY THAT WE COULD TRY TO FIT IN.
LUCAS, WHO IS LARGER THAN US, HAVE A LARGE [INAUDIBLE] IN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I ACTUALLY BROKE IT DOWN AND OUR 1987 ONE HAD OVER 30,000 WORDS [INAUDIBLE].
HOWEVER, IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN LEFT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.
SO IT'S GOT TO BE A PROPER [INAUDIBLE] TO HANDLE BOTH.
THE OTHER THING THAT REALLY IMPACTS OUR PLAN, I BELIEVE, IS THAT MANY OF THESE CITIES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE LUCAS AND MURPHY, HAVE A LOT OF OPEN LAND LEFT.
YOU KNOW, LUCAS AND MURPHY AND PARKER, WE HAVE LIMITED AMOUNT OF LAND LEFT.
SO I THINK THE WAY YOU APPROACH IT, IT ALSO DIFFERS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE OPTION OF HAVING 30% OF THIS TYPE OF HOUSING AND 30% OF THAT TYPE OF HOUSING.
YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE TWO LARGE LOTS LEFT, SO WE WILL SEE MORE WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT.
I THINK WHERE THIS WILL BE APPLIED MORE FREQUENTLY IS REDEVELOPMENT, THE FEW LARGE LEGACY PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE LEFT, IF THEY EVER SELL, [INAUDIBLE] I THINK WE'D BURN THE PROPERTY TO THE GROUND BEFORE WE LET A DEVELOPER BUY IT, BUT ON THE SAME TOKEN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.
THOSE WILL BE THE ONES I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE APPLICABLE TO THIS.
[INAUDIBLE] REDEVELOPMENT GUYS ETJ [INAUDIBLE] WOULD BE VOLUNTARY, BUT I THINK WE WILL SEE THAT MORE AS TIME GOES ON JUST BECAUSE OF THE FACT.
I THINK ALSO I MEAN, [INAUDIBLE] I GUESS, SCOPE OF OUR COMPONENT, OUR PLAN IS GOING TO BE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT LAND USE, RESIDENTIAL.
SO ALTHOUGH THERE IS THIS COMMERCIAL TRACK THAT WE HAVE, I THINK WE CAN KIND OF [INAUDIBLE] A COUPLE SENTENCES KIND OF DEPICT WHAT WE WANT TO DO THERE, AND MOST OF IT [INAUDIBLE] AS THE RESIDENTS WILL PROBABLY ALSO CHIME IN ON; THAT'S GOING TO BE LET ME MAKE COPIES OF THIS BECAUSE I THINK WE COULD GO TO THIS PROBABLY WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE FIGURED OUT HOW WE WANT TO APPROACH IT.
I'M GOING TO GO GET MY GLASSES.
[INAUDIBLE] THE DETAIL WHILE SENDING THOSE OUT, AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, JIM.
THE CONCERN IS, AGAIN, THE PROPERTIES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN ETJ IS THAT THEY REQUEST ANNEXATION.
DO WE JUST ACCEPT THEM IN? ARE THERE GOING TO BE GUIDELINES TO ACCEPT [INAUDIBLE] GOING TO BE A CHANGE OF USE TO ACCEPT [INAUDIBLE] WE CHANGE THE ORDINANCES IF THEY CAME TO US, WE'VE MADE A HUGE CHANGE
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THAT WAS DISCONTINUING THE FUTURE USE OF SFP, AND SO THAT'LL BE SOMETHING YOU'LL SEE AS WE GO THROUGH.[INAUDIBLE] COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OUTSIDE OF THE EXISTING [INAUDIBLE] THERE WILL NOT BE A ROAD MAP FOR FUTURE USE [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE WE DETERMINED LOOKING AT IT, THERE'S NOT A NEED FOR THE SMALLER LOT SIZES [INAUDIBLE] ANYMORE BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE] AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
I THINK WE WANT TO HOLD THE FUTURE COUNCILS TO HAVING THAT COMP PLAN [INAUDIBLE] COMP PLAN ALSO HAS A LITTLE MORE DIRECTION FOR ETJ DEVELOPMENT.
[INAUDIBLE] REPERCUSSIONS OF THAT CAN BE AS FAR AS THE CITY'S NOT GOING TO LOOK AT [INAUDIBLE] YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON YOUR OWN AND TO DO IT, YOU'LL HAVE TO MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS IN THE FUTURE.
SO IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I AGREE WITH.
[INAUDIBLE] WELL, THE BLUE TAPE FELL DOWN.
[INAUDIBLE] THAT'S WHERE THE NAME [INAUDIBLE] CAME FROM.[INAUDIBLE] PEOPLE WHO REMEMBER [INAUDIBLE].
[INAUDIBLE] SUCH A PRIZED POSSESSION.
YEAH, PUT THEM UP ON THE SCREEN.
[INAUDIBLE] BIG, BUT [INAUDIBLE].
YOU CAN GET CHANGED [INAUDIBLE].
ANY CHANCE TO READ THE WHOLE PAPER [INAUDIBLE] AS WE'RE TALKING IF YOU [INAUDIBLE] NOW, ONE THING [INAUDIBLE] HEARD THIS JOKE ENOUGH TIMES, BUT IF YOU'VE READ THE FORMER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE IRONIC THING ABOUT IT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEYING OF THE RESIDENTS, WHAT THEY CARE MOST ABOUT IT WAS ROAD REPAIRS, DRAINAGE, MUNICIPAL FACILITY, AND I MAKE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IF WE WERE TO SURVEY PEOPLE, THOSE WOULD BE THE [INAUDIBLE] TOPICS STILL TODAY FROM 1987.
[INAUDIBLE] EXECUTIVE SUMMARY INTRODUCTION.
THE MAYOR WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS.
CELINA, [INAUDIBLE] PRINCETON IS A TYPE A GENERAL CITY, POPULATION [INAUDIBLE], AND IT'S ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER WHETHER THEY WANT. SO NOT EVERY CITY [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE THEY REACH 5000 [INAUDIBLE] ON THE BALLOT, DO THEY? [INAUDIBLE]5,000 PEOPLE.
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[INAUDIBLE] I JUST NOTICED NOW THAT THE CITY OF LAVON, I DIDN'T REALLY EXPAND THE SUB CHAPTERS THERE, BUT I JUST WROTE THE CHAPTER, BUT I THINK THAT IF WE WENT THROUGH SOME OF THESE AND CHECKED OFF THE ONES THAT WE THINK WOULD BE VALUABLE TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, RATHER THAN TRYING TO TAKE THAT 200 PAGE DOCUMENT AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, STICK IT IN SOME FORMAT, AT LEAST WE'LL KNOW THE TOPICS THAT I THINK THAT'S VERY GOOD.I THINK YOU WANT TO BUILD THE OUTLINE FIRST AND THEN HANG ON.
SUPPORT INFORMATION FOR THAT AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO FIT IT IN THE OTHER WAY.
BECAUSE IF YOU DO IT THE OTHER WAY, YOU'LL END UP WITH 120 PAGE DOCUMENTS.
SO ALL OF THEM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANT IF YOU WANT TO EXPAND, BUT ALL OF THEM HAVE AN INTRODUCTION, RIGHT? SOME HAVE ACKNOWLEDGMENTS WHO ARE P AND Z AND WHO ON THE [INAUDIBLE] COMBINATION OF BOTH.
IF THEY HAD OUTSIDE HELP OR IF THEY DIDN'T, THEY DON'T MENTION IT, ONE OF THE MAIN POINTS I THINK [INAUDIBLE] AND I DO AGREE ON [INAUDIBLE] GETTING RID OF AS MUCH FLUFF AS WE CAN OUT OF IT BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE A READABLE DOCUMENT.
IT'S KIND OF THE IF YOU LOOK AT THE CODE, FOR INSTANCE, A LOT OF RESIDENTS CAME AND SPOKE ABOUT WHAT WAS IMPORTANT, BUT I WOULD GUARANTEE YOU FEW IF ANY OF THEM ACTUALLY READ ALL OF IT, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH AN IN-DEPTH DOCUMENT THAT I THINK COUNCIL [INAUDIBLE] TO HAVE AN EARLY [INAUDIBLE] NO WAY.
WE USUALLY GET OUR PACKETS FRIDAY BEFORE A MEETING.
THERE WAS NO WAY WE COULD [INAUDIBLE] THE WEEKEND AND BE ABLE TO GIVE ANY REAL INSIGHT TO IT.
SO WE WANT THIS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS A USABLE, A USER FRIENDLY DOCUMENT, SOMETHING THAT GARY'S GROUP WILL LOOK TO AND [INAUDIBLE] DEVELOPER.
IF YOU NEED TO GO CHECK THAT, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW IF WHEN YOU DO IT.
SO CHECK OUT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BE ABLE TO FALL BACK ON THAT DEVELOPER LOG IN.
CAN I BUILD IT THOUGH, WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? THAT'S ALL I CAN TELL YOU. WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITHIN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WILL GIVE THEM THE IDEA, BUT GETTING RID OF AS MUCH FLUFF THAT WE CAN I THINK IS IMPORTANT.
I'M NOT HUGE ON AS FAR AS I COULD GET THE ACKNOWLEDGMENTS.
I DON'T THINK MOST OF THAT, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS IMPORTANT AND GETTING TO THE MEAT OF WHAT WE WANT FOR THE CONFERENCE IS THAT YOU'LL SEE IF YOU LOOK AT OUR OLD ONE AND I'VE GOT IT UP HERE, IT'S 76 PAGES.
SO I DELETED THOSE OUT OR SCANNED THEM IN AND PUT THEM INTO THE PLAY FOLDER.
SO SOME OF THEM ARE JUST MISSING.
IT'LL SAY WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUT THERE.
A LOT OF WHAT'S IN THE EXISTING ONE WILL GO AWAY BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER RELEVANT, AND I STARTED GETTING RID OF THAT, BUT AGAIN, I LEFT A LOT OF THE PLACEHOLDERS IN CASE WE WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING FUTURE.
THE PREVIOUS ONES DID NOT COMMERCIAL AT ALL.
SO IF WE WANT TO LOOK THROUGH THAT, I AGREE WITH YOU AS FAR AS WHEN YOU GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THINGS TO DETERMINE WHAT AS A GROUP WE THINK IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE AGAIN, THE WHOLE IDEA HERE IS THAT WE CAN ALL GET ON A SIMILAR PAGE.
IT JUST MAKES THE BACK AND FORTH A LOT EASIER BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT DOCUMENT.
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WITH IT, BUT I DON'T MIND.I DON'T MIND CONTINUING TO TYPE OUT SECTIONS AND PUT IT IN INFORMATION.
IF THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO THIS MEETING, THAT'S THE DIRECTION EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO SPIN THE WHEELS IF WE WANT TO DO THAT.
SO I DON'T WANT TO TAKE CREDIT FOR YOUR SPREADSHEET, WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL.
YOU WANT TO GO OVER IT AS FAR AS WHAT SEGMENTS YOU SEE OR DO YOU WANT ME TO READ UP AND TALK ABOUT IT? CHAPTER WISE, IT'S UP TO YOU.
WOULD YOU LET HER KNOW YOU DID IT? OKAY, WELL.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE USE INITIALLY, WE USE THE CITY LUCAS AS A TOPIC TEMPLATE AND THEN.
FOR EACH SPECIFIC HEADING, WE GO THROUGH AND LOOK TO SEE WHAT THE OTHER CITIES HAVE INCLUDED.
IF IF WE SEE SOMETHING THAT'S MISSING.
SO. I MEAN, WE CAN ASSUME WE'LL HAVE A COVER PAGE AND ACKNOWLEDGMENTS, IF APPROPRIATE, OR IF YOU'LL DECIDE THAT WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS.
IF IT'S NOT APPEALING AND EASY TO READ AND DIGEST, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO SIT ON THE SHELF.
SO I THINK THAT HOW IT'S LAID OUT IS IMPORTANT, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND FOR LUCAS, THEY HAD CHAPTER ONE, AN INTRODUCTION, AND WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF A CONFERENCE PLAN AND WHERE LUCAS IS LOCATED? AND I THINK THAT'S ALL PRETTY APPROPRIATE, AND THEN THEY GO INTO THE POPULATION, WHICH I THINK IS.
PARTICULARLY FOR PARKER, BECAUSE SINCE WE'RE, WHAT, 5700 NOW AND FILLED OUT, IT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER 20% AT BEST.
THE PROJECTIONS WE'RE GIVEN IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN EIGHT AND 12,000.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO TALK COLLIN COUNTY AND SO OFF THE 17,000 I DON'T LIKE.
I KNOW AND SO WE'RE USED TO WE THAT'S KIND OF A BALLPARK AND I DON'T KNOW HOW HARD CALCULATED WHERE THEY CAN CALCULATE IT WITH ONE ACRE LOTS, TWO ACRE LOTS, ONE AND A HALF.
SO WE CAN TAKE THE TRACKS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND GET A BALLPARK NUMBER OF HOMES, AND THEN WE KNOW THE AVERAGE FAMILY SIZE AND JUST BACK INTO IT THAT WAY, AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, BUT I WOULD SAY IT'S PROJECTING RIGHT PROJECTED POPULATION.
THAT IS A PROJECTION AND IT CAN BE ROUGH.
IT DOESN'T VARY BURDEN ON THE PLAN.
WELL, IT'S RIGHT AND TO SOME DEGREE, BUT THEN I MEAN, I DEFER TO GARY ON THIS ONE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE WATER AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT AREA, IT DOES IT AFFECTS IT MAKES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN QUITE A BIT BECAUSE YOU HAVE WHAT WE NEED, ANOTHER WATER TOWER, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO I THINK THAT A CALCULATED PROJECTION IS REALLY THE WAY TO GO RATHER THAN TAKING COST FIGURES AND PLUGGING IT IN, BUT ANYWAY.
NOW, THE NEXT TOPIC THEY HAVE IS, IS HOUSING, BUT IF YOU LOOK ACROSS.
DIFFERENT CITIES APPROACH THIS DIFFERENT WAY.
IN SALINA, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS WHEN YOU GO TO THEIR WEBSITE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, THEY INCORPORATE PUBLIC FEEDBACK FROM THEIR SURVEYS AND THEY I THINK IT WAS A LINE AT THE HANDLE A BIT WHERE THEY HAD COMPUTERS SET UP AT CITY HALL AND PEOPLE ACTUALLY CAME IN AND ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS ON THE COMPUTERS RATHER THAN MAILING SOMETHING TO HOMES.
SO I THINK GETTING PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND NOT JUST A FEW.
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SO, YOU KNOW, USUALLY IT TURNS OUT THAT THE OLDER THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER ARE MORE ACTIVE THAN THE PEOPLE, THE SHORT TERM RESIDENTS. BUT GETTING PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY COME IN AND TAKE A SURVEY AND COVERING SOME SIGNIFICANT TOPICS I THINK IS IMPORTANT, AND SALINA DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF, AND LIKE I SAID, YOU'LL SEE THIS WHEN YOU GO TO THEIR WEBSITE, BUT THEY HAVE THE TOPIC AND THEN THEY HAVE THEIR EXPLANATION AND THEN THEY ALSO SUPPORT THAT WITH PUBLIC FEEDBACK THAT THEY RECEIVED.SO EVERYTHING IS SUPPORTED, WHICH IS NOT, WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE IT'S A BOTTOM UP PLAN.
OR IT'S A TOP DOWN PLAN THAT SUPPORT WOULD THE BETTER RIGHT.
WHICH MEANS EVERYBODY WOULD BE IN AGREEMENT ON EVERYTHING.
LUCAS DID A VERY SIMILAR JOB, IF YOU LOOK AT THEIRS.
SO THE ONE OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WAS VERY NICE, ACTUALLY SENT ME THEIR COMPLAINING WORK.
SO I HAD KIND OF HAD IT BROKEN DOWN.
THEY DID A VERY SIMILAR SURVEY PROCESS AS WELL.
THEY ENDED UP PUTTING IT AT THEIR CORPORATE MARKET THAT THEY HAD THEY HAD A COMPUTER SET UP THERE, BUT THEY TRIED TO ENGAGE THE RESIDENTS BOTH OF THE DIFFERENT WAYS THEY DID STILL KNOW IT OUT AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
THE THING I LIKED ABOUT THEIR SURVEY IS IT WAS VERY PRECISE.
THEY DID NOT LEAVE THE PROBLEM THAT YOU RUN INTO IT IF YOU JUST PUT A COLORED BOX.
I DIDN'T FEEL PARKER WILL GROW OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
EVERYBODY'S GOING TO TYPE THAT OUT DIFFERENTLY, SO YOU'D HAVE TO BE CLOSED QUESTIONS THAT ARE EASILY DISCERNABLE SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THAT SURVEY DATA TO BACK UP WHAT WE DO AND OF THEIR POPULATION, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY DID.
OBVIOUSLY, THAT WOULDN'T WORK HERE, BUT THAT IS ONE WAY IN WHICH THEY DID IT.
FUNNY ENOUGH, THEY ALSO DISAVOWED THE KIND OF GROWTH IN THEIR COMPANY, BUT IT WAS ACCURATE INFORMATION, AND THE KEY TO MANY OF THESE COMPANIES COMPREHENSIVE PLANS IS AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD APPROACH IS TO UNDER EACH TOPIC, GIVE A RECAP OF THE PAST TO DOCUMENT WHAT THE PRESENT IS AND THEN PROJECT THE FUTURE , AND IF IT SAYS THAT'S DONE FOR EACH TOPIC, I THINK THAT GOES A LONG ONE.
SO POPULATION WE CAN GET THE TRENDS AND WE HAVE THE PROJECTIONS OR WE CAN GET THE PROJECTIONS.
DOES EVERYBODY LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING KIND OF LIKE AN OVERVIEW, LIKE YOU WERE TALKING TO YOU WHEN YOU LOOKED AT LUCAS? IS THAT IT HAS ON HERE THOSE FIRST THREE CHAPTERS OR WHATEVER.
BUT I MEAN THERE'S KIND OF LIKE AN OVERVIEW, THE C OVERVIEW, IF YOU WILL.
I MEAN, WE CAN DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO CALL IT.
THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT I MEAN, IN THE LIGHT OF TRYING TO MAKE IT MAYBE MORE CONCISE, WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO KIND OF BOIL THOSE DOWN LIKE THAT, BECAUSE I NOTICED ON THE LINE IS THEY KIND OF HAVE THAT THINK THEY CALL IT PLAN FRAMEWORK OR.
MAYBE BOIL IT DOWN AND GIVE THEM A KIND OF.
THAT KIND OF STARTS WITH THE ONLY TWO PAGES THAT STAND OUT THERE.
AS FAR AS THE PURPOSE, THE LOCATION, THE DEMOGRAPHIC.
SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD HERE IS THAT BACK IN 2016, WE DID A LAND BASED ASSUMPTION REPORT AND I DID A LITTLE BIT OF STATISTICAL ANALYSIS AT THE TIME ON GROWTH OF WATER METERS AND POPULATION AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND I ACTUALLY STILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION, AND SO WHAT I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN FIGURING OUT IS HOW CLOSE FOR MY PREDICTION BECAUSE BECAUSE BACK IN 2016, I ACTUALLY ACTUALLY HAVE SOME PROJECTIONS HERE, BOTH LINEAR AND USING A POLYNOMIAL
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EQUATION ABOUT WHAT WHAT OUR WATER METERS WOULD BE AT IN 2022.SO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1796 AND 2136 AT THAT TIME.
SO THAT WAS WHAT THE WATER SAID.
YEAH, AND IT WAS CALLED IMPROVEMENT YEAR.
SO WE'RE JUST A LITTLE OVER 1800 TODAY, RUSSELL.
OKAY. SO IT SAYS BETWEEN 1796 OR 80 GROWTH OR 21, 36 IN 1796 OR 1803 WAS PRETTY GOOD.
SO WE HAVE THE VOLUNTEER WHO'S GOING TO COME UP WITH THE POPULATION STUDIES.
YOU KNOW, IF I GET INTO THIS, I KIND OF LIKE.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY OF SOME OF THE PLANES? SO FARMERSVILLE STARTS OFF WITH THE FARMERSVILLE VISION, AND I'M NOT SURE.
I MEAN, IT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT YOU WOULD WIND UP WITH THE BIG MAP.
THAT'S WHAT KIND OF THE IDEA OF STARTING OUT ABOUT THE PAST, THE CURRENT AND FUTURE.
YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT FROM A STRATEGIC STANDPOINT.
CAN I MAKE AN OBSERVATION HERE? OKAY, SO IT SOUNDED SO THE ORIGINAL YOU WERE SORT OF LEANING TOWARDS THE WORD FORECAST YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
HERE'S WHERE WE WERE. HERE'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY, AND JIM, YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT, I THINK IS THE END OF THE CONCEPT OF VISION I ESTABLISHING THE END GAME.
SO YOU HAVE ACTUALLY A PLAN START TO FINISH THE PLAN TO GET TO THE END.
SO I THINK THE VISION PROBABLY IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT TO THE PLAN.
WHETHER YOU PUT IT AT THE END OR THE BEGINNING IS MORE YOUR COLLECTIVE DECISION AS TO WHERE YOU WANT IT, BUT I THINK YOU NEED A VISION TO ESTABLISH THE RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE YOUR VISION, YOU ESTABLISH YOUR VISION BASED ON COMMUNITY INPUT OR BASED ON THE ANALYTICS OR.
GOOD QUESTION. I THINK INDIVIDUALLY EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS THEIR VISION, AND I THINK I WOULD GUESS THAT IF COUNCIL AS A SEPARATELY VIEW OF COLLECTIVELY, COLLECTIVELY, WE SHOULD BE.
I THINK ONE OF THE PROCESSES THAT WE FIND IS TRYING TO DO IS TO MERGE THOSE VISIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT, BUT I THINK HAVING WHAT IS THE VISION, HOW TO GET TO THE VISION.
LOOKING FOR, AND THEN YOU CAN ADJUST BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU ALL ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN ELECTED OR APPOINTED TO MAKE THE DECISIONS NECESSARY FOR THE RESIDENTS, AND I THE THING THAT I WOULD AS I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF THE TERMINOLOGY, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE VISION IS CREATED BASED ON THE ANALYTICS AND THE SURVEY.
AND I WAS LOOKING THROUGH WHAT YOU SAID.
ONE OF THE NOTES THAT I HAD IS IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE A MARKET CHAPTER TWO IS VISIONING.
WHAT IS THE VISION OF THE CITY OF BERKELEY? YOU HAVE FAIRVIEW, WHICH IS THE FORMER HARVARD, HARVARD VISION CITY OF IRAN, HAS THE VISION FRAMEWORK UNDER THE STRATEGIC PLAN, AND YOU GO TO THE CITY OF PRINCETON, A VISION STATEMENT, A GUIDING PRINCIPLE.
SO THAT IS, I THINK, ONE OF THE CORE FUNCTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WHAT IS WHAT IS OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLE TO DEVELOP THE REST OF THESE ITEMS. AS FAR AS PLACEMENT, I THINK IT CAN GO IN THE BEGINNING, JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DIRECTED, INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE THE YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS MADE UP OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT VIEWS.
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WHERE IT'S AT, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING FOR.AND SO I THINK THAT VISION ALLOWS US TO HAVE SOMETHING EASILY READABLE SO THAT WE HAVE SOMEBODY CAN LOOK AT THAT VISION AND GET AN IDEA OF, WELL, THIS IS THE CITY, THIS IS THE CITY FOR ME. THIS IS NOT THE CITY FOR ME.
IF THEY SAY IT IS, THEN THEY CAN LOOK THROUGH HOW WE REACH THAT, HOW THAT DEVELOPER REACHES THAT, HOW THAT FUTURE HOMEOWNER REACHES THAT, HOW THE CITY CONTINUES TO FOLLOW THAT. SO THE QUESTION COMES DOWN TO DO YOU WRITE THAT VISION STATEMENT FROM WHERE WE ARE NOW OR AFTER WE GET CITIZEN INPUT? BECAUSE THE TWO THINGS, I THINK YOU DRAFT IT NOW.
I MEAN, I THINK I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT HERE IS WHEN I'VE GONE THROUGH THESE THESE WHAT I WOULD CALL VISIONING, THESE VISIONING AND PLANNING EXERCISES, I MEAN, YOU START OUT WITH, LET'S GET A VISION DOWN, LET'S GET SOMETHING DOWN, AND THEN WE NEED TO VALIDATE THE VISION, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE NEED TO DO, I THINK, WITH THE RESIDENTS IS ARE WE REALLY REPRESENTING WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THE VISION STATEMENT THAT WE WROTE, DOES THAT LOOK GOOD OR DO WE NEED TO ADJUST IT? YOU KNOW, IF WE DO IT RIGHT, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, WHAT WE CAN DO IS I MEAN, I THINK OF IT LET'S THINK OF THE VISION STATEMENT AND MAYBE WE COLLECTIVELY GATHER TODAY AS AS AN ORDINANCE SYSTEM, AS ZERO ZERO COORDINATE, RIGHT, ETC..
SOME OF THESE ARE HIGHLIGHTED ON THEIR PLANS, BUT LET'S CALL IT ZERO ZERO.
IF YOU HIT IT RIGHT, THEN THAT'S ON RIGHT AND EVERYBODY, WHICH WE'RE NOT GOING TO, BUT IF YOU DID, THEN IF WE'RE CLEVER IN THE WAY THAT WE ASK THE QUESTIONS, THAT WILL GIVE US QUADRANT 100 TO 200 AND 304, AND THEN IT CAN BE KIND OF MELDED THAT WAY, BUT WE HAVE TO CREATE THOSE QUESTIONS CLEVER ENOUGH THAT WE DON'T GO IN ANOTHER SYSTEM. WE HAVE TO BE ON THE SAME COORDINATE SYSTEM WHERE WE HIT IN THOSE FOUR QUADRANTS.
WE CAN MOVE IT AROUND A LITTLE BIT, BUT I AGREE IT HAS TO BE HIT AT A CENTER POINT WHERE WE CAN START BECAUSE YOU'LL YOU'LL GET IF YOU LEAVE THE OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS AND YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING THAT KIND OF CLOSES IT THAT WAY.
YOU WON'T YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO IT DOWN.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE HARDEST PART, DOING IT, MAKING SURE, AND OF COURSE, IF YOU'RE WAY OFF, THEN YOU'LL FIND THAT WE'LL FIND OUT AS WE START THE SURVEY AND AS WE GET THE WE'RE IN AN INTERESTING POSITION IN PART HISTORY.
THAT'S WHY YOU BOUGHT IN PARKER.
I MEAN, SOME SEVERAL OF THE PEOPLE I HAVE SPOKEN TO RECENTLY WHO LIVED IN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS CAME FROM HIGHLAND PARK, PRESTON HOLLOW, NORTH DALLAS. THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT ASPECT.
THEY WANT TO LAND. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.
THEY WANTED THAT ONE ACRE. THAT'S REALLY THAT'S REALLY COOL TO THEM.
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE A PROPERTY APARTMENT.
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE HAVE FOUGHT FOR TO MAINTAIN THAT AS LONG AS WE HAVE, AND SO I DO THINK THAT THERE IS AN EDUCATION THAT HAS TO GO IN THERE, AND I THINK THAT THE IDEA OF DIVISION THAT WILL HELP TO LEAD THE QUESTIONS INTO THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ASKING THE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED TO THE RESIDENTS SO WE CAN PROPERLY HOLD IT.
YEAH, I HAVEN'T I HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT WHAT THE WHOLE QUESTION WOULD BE.
SO I'M KIND OF DOING THIS JUST KIND OF BLANK SHEET HERE, BUT WHAT I WOULD EXPECT IS THAT IF IF WE CAME UP WITH A DRAFT OF A VISION STATEMENT, THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE PART OF THE WHOLE.
RIGHT, AND SO YOU GIVE SOME AT LEAST YOU COULD SAY ENOUGH OF US HAVE BEEN AROUND HERE ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT WE KNOW THE PIECES THAT WE WANT TO INCORPORATE INTO THAT, AND NOW IT'S KIND OF A TRAINING EXERCISE FOR SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO REALLY NEVER MAYBE THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
RIGHT, AND SO THEN YOU SEE YOU GET SOME ALIGNMENT WITH EVERYBODY ON THAT.
YEAH. YEAH, AND THEN THEN IT GOES INTO WHAT I WOULD CALL THE STANDARD GOALS, OBJECTIVE STRATEGIES AND TACTICS AREA, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU START IDENTIFYING YOUR OBJECTIVES AND GOALS AND YOU GET DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY AND THE 40, 2010, WHATEVER, 5000 FOOT LEVEL, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME YOU GET DOWN TO THE TACTICAL LEVEL, WHICH IS NOT WHERE THAT'S AN EXECUTION, WHICH IS NOT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, BUT I WOULDN'T WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT READABILITY BECAUSE I NOTICE BOTH PRINCETON AND SO I KNOW THEY CALL IT. WHAT I WOULD CALL A MANAGEMENT SUMMARY.
I WILL GUARANTEE YOU THAT NOBODY IS GOING TO READ BEYOND THE MANAGEMENT SUMMARY.
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SO YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO PUT IN THE DETAILS BEYOND THE MANAGEMENT SUMMARY, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT MAYBE WHAT, TWO PAGES AT MAX TO GET A MANAGEMENT SUMMARY THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO READ AND GO, YES, NO.THEY'LL SHAKE THEIR HEAD, GO, OH, YEAH.
NOW, WITHIN THAT SUMMARY, I MEAN, ONE ONE THOUGHT JUST THINKING THAT ALLOW US WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU COULD HAVE THOSE YOU CAN HAVE SOME OF THAT EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AS ALMOST LIKE HIGHLIGHTS OF OTHER DETAIL WITHIN IT, ALMOST LIKE HYPERLINK.
SO IF YOU GO IN THERE AND YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT PARKER HAS ORANGE PLOTS AND THIS IS THEIR LATEST BOTTOM LINE AND THERE'S A HYPERLINK IN THERE AND YOU HIT THAT, YOU GO DOWN INTO A PARAGRAPH THAT TALKS ABOUT THAT AND YOU CAN HAVE MAYBE EIGHT OR TEN, 13 PARTS OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO, AND THEY HYPERLINK DOWN IN THERE AND PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY CLICK ON THAT AND MAYBE READ THAT LITTLE PARAGRAPH THAT TALKED ABOUT THAT, MAYBE, MAYBE RIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS THING SO INTERESTING THAT PEOPLE READ EVERY WORD, BUT IT'S VERY IT'S A VERY TRUE STATEMENT THATTHAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED A PRIORITY AS WELL BECAUSE OF.
IT GETS TOO NEBULOUS TO THEM, AND ONE ADVANTAGE WE HAVE, WHAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE IN 1987, IS THE ABILITY TO DIGITIZE THIS DOCUMENT TO THE POINT THAT IT CAN BE A LINK ABLE PDF ON A WEBSITE.
SOME OF THESE DOCUMENTS WE DIDN'T HAVE POSTED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THEM DIGITIZED.
I DON'T KNOW. THE ORIGINAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS SIMPLY WE WERE ABLE TO SCAN THE AND PROBABLY A FEW TYPOS, BUT IT'S UP THERE NOW SO THE PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO IT , BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU.
THAT ALSO COULD BE HYPERLINKED, AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, AND PART OF WHAT I WAS PLAYING WITH WAS EVEN ON THE MAP, WHEN YOU DO THAT, WE DO OUR VERY BEST AS THEY CAN GET TO DIFFERENT SEGMENTS SO THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT AOE IS.
THEY CAN HIT THAT AND GO TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SECTION AND EXPLAIN, OH MY PROPERTY, THEY OH, WHAT IS THAT? WELL, YOU GET THAT IMPLIED VALUE AND THAT'S TAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE THE, THAT PART OF, LIKE I SAID, Y Y KIND OF PUT THE BRAKES ON AS I FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO BRING, BRING THESE IDEAS IN TO GET STARTED.
WE DON'T WANT TO DIRECT THE QUESTIONS, WE WANT THEM TO BE TRUE RESIDENT INPUT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TOPICS TO HIT UNLESS WE KNOW WHAT OUR VISION IS FOR THE CITY OF PARKER, AND THEN PART OF THAT I DO AGREE WITH RUSSELL HAS TO BE THE VISION STATEMENT IN HIMSELF BEING ALMOST ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.
IS THIS HOW YOU SEE PARKER 20 YEARS FROM NOW, TEN YEARS FROM NOW? DO YOU SEE THIS AS IS APPLICABLE AND GET THOSE RELATIONSHIPS? THAT INFORMATION ALSO, I THINK, GOES INTO THE VISION AFTERWARDS.
WE HAVE OUR INITIAL VISION STATEMENT.
WE COULD GET EDITED AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, THE LEARNING WELL, AND THAT WAS REALLY WHERE WE WANTED, BUT 90% OF THE RESIDENTS SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT ASPECT BECAUSE WE WANT WHAT THIS IS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE ALL RESIDENTS WHO GET TO MAKE THE DECISIONS ON THIS, AND WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT WE'RE ONE OF THE 5700 PEOPLE THAT GET TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT. SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
THE CONCERN I HAVE WITH THE SURVEY IS THE ANSWERS.
THE RESPONSES WILL BE RELATIVE TO SOMEWHAT SO THE LENGTH OF RESIDENCY AND WORKER.
THEIR RESPONSES ARE GOING TO BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN SOMEBODY THAT LIVED HERE FOR TEN YEARS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE RESPONSES SHOULD BE WEIGHTED BASED ON WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO RESPOND THAT WAY.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET A SINGLE VOICE SWAY THE DIRECTION, BUT LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE MOVED IN HERE IN THE LAST YEAR.
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BUT, I MEAN, IF IN PROPORTION TO THE POPULATION, IT'S QUITE A BIT BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT WHITESTONE, YOU KNOW, KINGS CROSS AND I MEAN, THOSE ARE ALL A LOT OF NEW HOUSES.SO I GUESS WHAT WE NEED TO BE WE NEED TO FRAME THE QUESTION APPROPRIATELY SO THAT WE DON'T GET IT'S NOT SKEWED BASED ON A PERSON ISN'T HERE LONG ENOUGH TO APPRECIATE OR TO BECOME, I THINK, PART OF THE RISE OF MULTIPLE CHOICE QUESTIONS.
THAT WOULDN'T BE ONE OF THE ANSWERS.
I THINK THAT YOU ARE MAKING PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, ACTUALLY, UNLESS THERE ARE MULTIPLE CHOICE, IT'S HARD TO TABULATE, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT ESSAY QUESTIONS.
WE DON'T WANT WE WANT QUANTITY.
SO IF WE FORMULATE THE SELECTION OF THE WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO SELECT AS AN ANSWER MORE APPROPRIATELY, AND THAT IS NOT ONE OF THE CHOICES THAT.
PART OF THAT WILL BE THE GUIDE.
THE QUESTION WILL GUIDE THEM TO THE CATEGORY OF ANSWERS THAT ARE POSSIBILITIES.
I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT BASED ON EVERY OTHER CITY THAT I HAVE SEEN.
WELL, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT A GOOD MAJORITY OF THEM.
ONE OF THE SURVEY QUESTIONS WAS A RANGE OF HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED IN THE CITY? OBVIOUSLY, WE COULD PULL OUT EACH OF THEM INTO ONE, BUT THAT WILL GIVE US ALSO A BIT OF A WEIGHT.
IT WASN'T ALL THE RESIDENTS WHO WERE HERE 1 TO 3 YEARS THAT RESPONDED BECAUSE THEN I FEEL LIKE THAT GIVES US ANOTHER PLETHORA OF INFORMATION ON NOW BEFORE THE THREE YEARS.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED IN PARKER? BUT IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN QUANTIFY.
SO IT HAS TO BE RANGES AND I THINK THEY CAN BE VERY DETAILED RANGES UNTIL YOU GET TO 20 PLUS YEARS AND THEN THEY CAN CLICK THAT ONE AND THAT TELLS YOU THOSE ARE THE LONG TERM RESIDENTS. BUT UP UNTIL THEN, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING BECAUSE, I MEAN, EVEN LOOKING AT THOSE ROOMS, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN PARKER FOR DECADES.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN PARTNERS, 18 OR 16 WHO MOVED IN.
I MOVED IN IN 2011, I THINK IT WAS REALLY, WHAT, 2000, 2004, 2004.
THEY CAME IN SINGLE FAMILY, TRANSITIONAL.
THEY ARE FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I WASN'T SAYING THAT WHAT THEY WOULD SAY IS WRONG, BUT IT TAKES THEM A WHILE TO APPRECIATE.
I THINK THAT IS A DEFINITELY A QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO CHARACTERIZE IT AS A WEIGHTING FACTOR BECAUSE THAT TO ME SAYS YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE LESS CREDENCE TO THOSE PEOPLE.
EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE EQUAL WEIGHT, BUT IT GIVES US A CONTEXT FROM.
RIGHT. SO WE UNDERSTAND THIS MAY BE A NEWER RESIDENT AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE A MISCONCEPTION OR THEY DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND HAVE A DRINK IN THOSE PARKER WATER.
SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY WE WERE WAITING.
WEIGHTING PEOPLE'S PREFERENCE DIFFERENTLY IS WHAT MAKES IT UNFAIR WITH THAT, THAT TERMINOLOGY OF USING IT IN CONTEXT BECAUSE IT DOES ALLOW IT DOES ALLOW US TO UNDERSTAND WHERE EVERYBODY IS COMING FROM IS A CONTEXT BASED.
YEAH. I THINK I THINK WE JUST HAVE TYPICALLY THE LONG PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER WILL BE THE ONES THAT WILL PARTICIPATE IN THE SURVEY ANYWAY, JUST BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED IN 2015 OR WHENEVER THAT THE MONKEY SURVEY SURVEY MONKEY WENT OUT AND I WELL, I WON'T TELL YOU MY OPINION, BUT BUT, BUT THE RESULT OF IT WERE THE LONG TERM RESIDENTS RESPONDED WHERE THE SHORTER TERM RESIDENTS DID NOT EVEN RESPOND.
SO IT ALL WORKED OUT, BUT IT WAS IGNORED ANYWAY.
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SO YEAH, I MEAN IT IS, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS UTILIZED AT THE DISCRETION OF THOSE WHO ARE WRITING IT.OBVIOUSLY, I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO GET IT TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.
THE NUMBERS ON THAT AS FAR AS RESPONSE WAS VERY LOW AND THE BENEFITS OF USING A TABULATION IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, REGARDLESS OF HOW LONG A RESIDENT WAS IN PARKER, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PULLING OUT THAT INDIVIDUAL.
IS THAT IN LINE WITH OUR ZONING ORDINANCES, OUR DEADLINE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DO? BUT ANOTHER THING TO I MEAN, QUITE HONESTLY, IS THAT A DEMOGRAPHIC CAN TELL YOU IF THEY ARE NOT ENGAGED, THAT MIGHT TELL YOU SOMETHING TOO.
SO IF YOU HAVE 20% OF YOUR POPULATION THAT'S UNDER TEN YEARS OF RESIDENTS WITHIN PARKER AND ONLY 3% OF THEM RESPOND, THAT'S ANOTHER CONNECTIVITY ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON.
THAT WOULD BE THE MAIN REASON I THINK, THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE THERE.
SO THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE, YOU KNOW? THEY'VE GOT A POPULATION OF 5342.
THE 477 RESIDENTS RESPONDED TO THEIR SURVEY.
9%. SO YOU GOT TO MAKE YOUR SURVEY.
QUESTIONS RELATE TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA.
WE DON'T KNOW. AT LEAST I DON'T KNOW HOW WHAT THE GROWTH OF THE DEMAND WAS DURING THAT PERIOD.
IF THEY HAD A NEW RESIDENT, MAYBE THAT'S GETTING BACK TO A POINT WHERE YOU DON'T RESPOND.
MAYBE THAT'S WHY THOSE WERE THE OLDER RESIDENTS.
USUALLY YOUR RESPONSE RATE WOULD BE UNDER 10% TO GET OVER 10% WITH THE ECONOMY UNUSUAL.
SO IF WE COULD GET 10%, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, AND NOW YOU KNOW WHY THEY HAVE CENSUS WORKERS GO OUT? WELL, LET ME JUST SAY ONE MORE THING.
WOW. REALLY? WHAT WAS THAT? WE MAILED IT OUT AND THEY MAIL BACK AND THEY MAILED BACK.
REALLY? NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT NOT NOTHING.
ANYWAY, WELL, WE WERE SURPRISED THAT WE GOT THAT IN THE INITIAL BRAINSTORMING OF COUNCIL WAS THAT WE DO HAVE THE CITY EMAIL LIST, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT ENTIRELY ADOPTED, AS WE WOULD HOPE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR THE EMERGENCY SERVICES, THINK THEY WERE GETTING THE OTHER ONE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO USE THE EMERGENCY SERVICE FOR THIS, BUT WE DO HAVE THE CITY EMAIL LIST THAT WE CAN SEND OUT.
SOMEBODY WILL SEE IT AS FAR AS WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT FOR THE 12 PEOPLE WHO WATCH CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS REPETITIVELY, BUT IT IS GOING TO TAKE A LOT FROM THE GROUP THAT IS IN HERE AS FAR AS GETTING THAT WORD OUT.
THE BENEFITS, AGAIN, WHEN I LOOK AROUND THE ROOM, AS I LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT ARE REPRESENTATIVE PARKER, WHICH IS PART OF WHY I REALLY LIKE THIS OPTION, BECAUSE IT CAN BE A WORD OF MOUTH SPIRIT.
WE HAVE IT AVAILABLE TO GET PEOPLE UP HERE TO DO IT.
WE HAVE COOKIES WITH COUNCIL, WHICH HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE BETTER NEXT TIME OR TIME.
IT HAD GREAT LAST TIME IT DID BECAUSE IT WAS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT RIGHT AFTER.
WHAT IS YOUR ADDRESS? THAT SHOULD ALLOW US HOPEFULLY TO SCRUB A LOT OF DUPLICATE ENTRIES.
SO. SO IS IT IS IT YOU LOOKING FOR A GOAL OF ONE RESPONSE PER ADDRESS OR ONE RESPONSE FOR EACH RESIDENT? I WOULD LIKE FOR RESIDENTS, WHICH IS HOW WE WOULD HAVE TO TRY TO BE CAREFUL IN THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A VALID POINT.
I THINK IT WILL BE MORE OF CAN WE GET PEOPLE TO COMPLETE THE SURVEY? AND THAT'S WHY PART OF IT HAS TO BE THE SURVEY HAS TO BE SHORT.
WE CAN'T DO 20 QUESTIONS, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER THING.
IT'S GOT TO BE VERY CONCISE AS FAR AS WHAT WE HAVE IN THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE GET BORED.
DO YOU EVER GET THAT CUSTOMER SATISFACTION THING? GENERALLY SPEAKING, IN THE BUSINESS WORLD, THEY SAY MORE THAN FIVE QUESTIONS.
YOU WON'T GET AN ANSWER BECAUSE ONCE YOU GO ON TO PAGE TWO, THEY GO NOT NEVER MIND, THEY EXIT OUT.
SO I THINK IT'S RIGHT BELOW THE FOLD.
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SHORTER SURVEYS? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF YOU DO IT ELECTRONICALLY OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING AT A HIGH LEVEL TO BEGIN WITH, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING, AND THEN MAYBE START TARGETING SPECIFIC AREAS OR SOMETHING AND SOMETHING, AND I THINK ONE OF THE KEYS WOULD BE THE RESPONSE AGAIN ON THE FIRST ONE.YOU GET A GOOD RESPONSE IN THE FIRST ONE, THEN MAYBE THE FOLLOW UP WILL BE START BY PASSING AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU MUST RESPOND OR YOUR TAXES GO ON OR GET A DISCOUNT ON YOUR BILLS.
IRONICALLY, YOU SAY THAT THERE WAS A CITY THAT I COULD LOOK AT AND IT WAS I HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH MY NOTES HERE, BUT THEY ACTUALLY OFFERED THAT ON THEIR SURVEY WAS YOU WOULD EVER BE ENTERED INTO A DRAWING OR A RAFFLE THAT THE CITY PUT TOGETHER.
SO THEY HAD LIKE A MUG IN A HAT AND A SHIRT FOR SOMEBODY WON THAT AND IT WAS PULLED OUT OF THE PEOPLE WHO DID THE SURVEY AGAINST GET SOMEONE TO DONATE A CAR, IT MIGHT GET UGLY. OKAY, HOW ABOUT AN OLD CITY VEHICLE? SO WE BACK UP TO A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE.
ONE PER PERSON OR ONE PER HOUSEHOLD? YES, AND YOU THINK ONE PER PERSON IS? I THINK THAT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE ONE PER HOUSEHOLD.
IF WE GET MORE THAN ONE PER HOUSEHOLD, THEN WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER OURSELVES LUCKY IF WE'RE GETTING MORE THAN YOU MIGHT HAVE, BUT I UNDERSTAND SOME OF MY CONCERN WOULD BE, AND LET ME PICK ON SOMEBODY. TERRY.
IF TERRY WANTS THE CITY ONE WAY AND WANTS THE CITY ANOTHER, DOES HIS OPINION MATTER LESS BECAUSE SHE HAS THE FIRST? WELL, THERE NEEDS TO BE A START IN WANT RESPONSES FROM THE SIX YEAR OLD OR WHATEVER 18 YEAR OLDS DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE VOTING AGE? THE VOTING AGE? WELL, EVEN VOTING AGE.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN TO PRESENTATIONS OR COMMUNITY EVENTS IN OTHER CITIES WHERE YOUNGER PEOPLE WERE THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WANTED THE HIGH DENSITY, YOU KNOW, TYPE THING.
WHO OWNS THE HOME? WELL, IT'S A JOINT.
JOINT TENANTS. NORMALLY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S SO IT'S LIKE IT'S MORE THAN ONE PERSON USUALLY.
WELL, TRUE, BUT BUT EVEN THIS STUFF YOUR 20 YEAR OLD SON OR DAUGHTER FROM.
HUSBAND WIFE OWN THE HOME, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT OUGHT TO HAVE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT PAY THE TAXES.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO GET TO DECIDE.
IT'S NOT THE OLD KIDDOS AT HOME.
RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, THEN WE RUN INTO THAT SITUATION.
AS FAR AS OF FOR COUNCIL ORDINANCES OR PROPOSITIONS.
I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
WELL, DO YOU PAY THE TAXES IN THE HOUSEHOLD? ARE YOU A HOMEOWNER? WE DON'T KNOW.
EITHER THAT OR WE HAVE A QUESTION.
DO YOU OWN YOUR HOME? I THINK YOU'RE OVER IT.
WELL, AND I THINK I THINK IF YOU PUT THAT YOU OWN THE RENT, I MEAN, YOU PUT THAT ON THERE.
I MEAN, NOW YOU'VE YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO YOU CAN SIFT THROUGH IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IF WE GET ONE ONE RENTAL RESPONSE FOR 100 OWNER RESPONSES, KNOW, I WOULD SUSPECT THAT THEY'LL HAVE THAT MANY, BUT I KNOW OF A COUPLE OF THE RESIDENTS AND HOME RENTAL HOMES WITH A PARTNER, AND THOSE ARE IN FACT OCCUPIED BY TENANTS, AND YOU KNOW, MY LIKE I SAID, MY OWN CONCERN FOR DOING THAT IS STILL THE SAME. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEIR VOTE DOES COUNT THE SAME AS EVERYBODY ELSE, AND THE FUTURE OF PARTNER IS DECIDED BY THIS AS A GUIDE, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE
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POWER OF THE VOTE AND THE VOICE THAT COMES IN AFTER THE FACT, AND I THINK THAT THEIR OPINION WOULD WE WOULD YOU PUT THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THOSE SAME COMMENTS IF THE ADULT CHILD IS LIVING IN SOMEONE'S HOME, THAT IS ALSO A VOTER WANTS TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT.WE'RE GOING TO WEIGH THAT INTO THIS THE SAME WAY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO ASK THEM. WELL, DO YOU DID YOU HAVE MOMMY AND DADDY COME UP HERE WITH YOU SINCE THEY PAY FOR THE TAXES? YOU KNOW, I LIVE HERE. I VOTE.
WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO THAT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW WHAT WHAT ARE THEIR OWNERS, RENTERS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE WORKING OR LIVING AT HOME, GOING TO SCHOOL.
WE DON'T WE DON'T TABULATE THAT.
I THINK FOR THE PURPOSE OF A SURVEY, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR IT TO BE INCLUSIVE.
AS FAR AS AS INCLUSIVE AS WE CAN BE.
THAT'S MY OPINION. I THINK THAT IF WE START SIFTING THROUGH AND PULLING OUT DIFFERENT RESPONSES, I THINK THE WORD WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE THEN IN TURN DEVELOPING THE SURVEY TO DO WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD RUN INTO AN ISSUE DOWN THE LINE AS FAR AS ADAPTABILITY IS, IF OUR RESIDENT BUY IT IS WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO SIFT TO CREATE THE NUMBERS THAT WE WANTED.
SO THERE'S A POINT IN SURVEYING, EVALUATING IF WE'RE IF WE'RE BASICALLY SETTING OUT TO SAY, WELL, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO KNOW, HERE'S WHAT OUR END GOAL IS, LET'S WRITE EVERYTHING TO GET IT TO HERE.
WELL, THESE PEOPLE WILL DISAGREE.
I THINK THE VOTING AGE RESIDENT HAS TO BE ABLE TO COMMENT.
ONE OF THE SCARY THINGS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM , BUT THE ONE THAT WAS SCARY THINGS IS PART IS CHANGING AND THERE'S NO USE DOING ANOTHER COMPREHENSIVE.
REFLECT WHAT PARKER'S CHANGED THE FIELD AND SOME OF WHAT PARKER HAS CHANGED, TO BE HONEST.
WELL, WHERE ARE YOU GOING? THE VISION STATEMENT WHERE IT'S GOING TO END UP, AND WE'VE HAD A CHANCE OF.
MODIFYING WHAT'S GOING ON AT THIS POINT HERE, AND THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO.
I WOULD JUST SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? A LOT, BUT I THINK UNTIL I GET SO.
THE AVERAGE AMOUNT THEY GET, BUT ANYWAY, THOSE PEOPLE MAKE OF THAT GOAL.
I THINK EVERYTHING HERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIVE ACRES, YOU KNOW? WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE I'M THINKING TO MYSELF, IF I'M RENTING HERE, WHY AM I RENTING HERE? YEAH, AND NOT ON A FARM, WHICH IS WHAT MY HOPE IS.
AGAIN, AS HAS BEEN SAID, THE VISION STATEMENT I THINK HAS TO START THE SURVEY SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING INTO WHEN THEY READ IT, AND YOU HOPE THAT WILL HELP THE CRAFT OR HAVE THEM AT LEAST ASK THE QUESTION, OH WAIT, THAT IS WHY I MOVED HERE.
NO, I DIDN'T LIKE THAT, AND I DO.
I THINK THAT IT WILL BE JUSTIFIED, BUT BUT IN RESPONSE TO THE CHANGE BASE, I THINK THE PREVIOUS MAYOR THOUGHT THE SAME THING UNTIL HE GOT THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY IN WHICH IT WAS JUST THE OPPOSITE.
RIGHT. IT IT WAS OVERLY WEIGHTED TO THE LARGE LOTS WHERE I FELT LIKE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A JUSTIFICATION FOR GOING TO SMALLER LOTS.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S THE WAY I TOOK IT AGAIN.
SO MAYBE IT MAY BE SURPRISING, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MORE LIKELY TO TAKE THIS AND I'M GUESSING HERE EDUCATED GUESS, I GUESS, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MORE LIKELY TO PARTICIPATE ARE THE LONGER TERM RESIDENTS.
SO IT'LL BE SKEWED BECAUSE OF THAT FACTOR.
I'D SAY MORE COMMUNITY RESIDENTS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PASS THROUGH RESIDENTS.
I'M GOING TO BE HERE FOR THREE YEARS AND I'VE GOT GOOD FRIENDS FROM THE OUTSIDE.
SO THE COMMITTED RESIDENTS ARE MORE LIKELY TO RESPOND TO THE OTHER STUDIES.
I'M CURIOUS ON WHY DID YOU MOVE TO PARKLAND? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS HEAR I MOVE FOR LARGE LOTS OR WHATEVER.
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AND DID THAT MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS? YOU KNOW, SO THOSE ARE KIND OF IN SOME OF THOSE ARE STILL DEFINING QUESTIONS, WHICH I THINK ARE IMPORTANT.WHY DID ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS OR ONE OF THE FIRST FEW SHOULD BE WHY DID YOU MOVE TO PARKER AND QUIT THOSE THINGS THAT WE VALUE IN PARKER SO THAT KIND OF GETS THEIR MINDSET INTO THAT RESPECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT HOME THAT HOMES IN THOSE QUADRANTS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WHERE PEOPLE PLAN THE THING THAT I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE PREVIOUS MAYOR'S TERM AND YOU KNOW THIS IS JUST WHAT I'VE NOTICED SITTING IN HERE.
HOW MANY NEW RESIDENTS ARE SITTING HERE FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS? YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN I LOOK AT HOW MANY OF THE LONG TERM RESIDENTS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT I'LL WATCH IT.
I'LL DO THIS. HOW MANY NEW RESIDENTS ARE GETTING INVOLVED? WHEN I STARTED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND I PUT OUT THAT I WANTED VOLUNTEERS, I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAME IN TO VOLUNTEER, WHICH WAS SOMEWHAT PATHETIC, WERE ALL BRAND NEW RESIDENT, BUT IT WAS BECAUSE THEY LOVED WHAT PARKER WAS AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS THE RESPONSE I'M GETTING FROM FROM RESIDENTS AND KINGS CROSSING, WHITESTONE PARKER RANCH. I HAD RESIDENTS FROM ALL OF THEM.
THEY ALL HAD THE SAME SENTIMENT.
I DON'T WANT PARKER TO CHANGE.
I WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S AND THEY WANTED TO COME IN AND VOLUNTEER TO HELP.
WHAT'S THE COMMITTEE FOR? FOR FOURTH GRADE, THEY LEFT THE COMMITTEE OR THEY DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE CONTINUING TO DO ANYTHING, BUT WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DID SEE A LOT OF NEW RESIDENT INVOLVEMENT, AND I HOPE THAT WE DO WHAT I WAS HOPING TO KIND OF GATHER OUT OF THIS MEETING.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN JUST KIND OF OVER AN HOUR AND I'M STARTING TO GET THERE.
YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE BECAUSE OF HERDING CATS, BUT THE IDEA IS WHAT DIRECTION DOES ANYBODY WANT TO GO? I COULD BE YOU KNOW, I COULD HAVE SAT ON TOP OF THIS, WRITTEN THE WHOLE THING AND PRESENTED IT, AND THEN PMC COULD HAVE LOOKED AT IT.
WELL, I KIND OF WISH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MINUTE.
IT WAS JUST EASIER TO BRING IT ALL TOGETHER.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO, AS I SAY, START AT THE BEGINNING AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AS A GROUP AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN GET SOME DIRECTION HERE, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT TO HAVE AS FAR AS HOW WANTS TO GO.
BUT I ALSO HOPE THAT WE CAN GET THE INVOLVEMENT OF LET'S START DRAFTING THE IDEA OF A VISION, LET'S START DRAFTING THE IDEA OF THAT STATEMENT, AND THEN LET'S START WITH THE SURVEYS, BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE IMPORTANT AND I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO GIVE THAT TIME.
WE CAN'T PUT IT OUT THERE AND GIVE EVERYBODY TWO WEEKS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING INTO WHAT I CALL HOLIDAY PALOOZA.
WE'RE IN FACT BACK TO BACK TO BACK ALL THE WAY THROUGH VALENTINE'S DAY OF DIFFERENT HOLIDAYS.
PEOPLE LEAVE. THEY GO ON VACATIONS TO GIVE PEOPLE APPROPRIATE TIME, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, NOT TO REINVENT THE WHEEL, BUT WHEN WE SEND IT OUT THERE, IF WE'RE NOT GETTING THE RESPONSE THAT WE WANT, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ADAPT ON THE FLY.
YEAH, WELL, NOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET RESPONSES THIS WAY, TOO, AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
EVENTS IN EACH OF EVERYBODY'S NEIGHBORHOODS.
SPREAD OUT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I AGREE. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THE ONE THING YOU SAY, WHATEVER I'M THINKING, AND SOME RESIDENTS LIKE THAT AND SOME DON'T, BUT I'M STILL HERE, SO I GUESS THE MAJORITY IS STILL OUT OF IT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE TRUTH BE TOLD, I AGREE WITH YOU, THE CITY IS CHANGING.
I TOLD MULTIPLE RESIDENTS WHO SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, I DID.
I BOUGHT AND THAT WAS A BIG DEAL.
NOW, IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ISN'T NUMBER ONE, REAL REAL ESTATE IS THE IDEA OF YOU, YOU TO OWN IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO GUARANTEE TO CHANGE IT, AND IN MY ALMOST 20 YEARS OF DOING IT, I'VE GIVEN THAT STATEMENT TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE, ALL OUR NEIGHBORS, WITH THIS BEAUTIFUL FIELD, BUT THEN YOU BETTER BY THAT FIELD BECAUSE TEN YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD. I CAN'T GUARANTEE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
WE LOVE TO DO OF IT, BUT THIS IS OUR ABILITY TO OPEN, OUR ABILITY TO OWN.
OUR VIEW COMES HERE AS FAR AS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE, AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE COMMENTS I THINK YOU MADE THE COUNCIL OR DISCUSSING THIS AND CHANGING WAS ON THE ORDINANCES WAS THE FUTURE.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T CONTROL THE FUTURE.
THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE, BUT THE IDEA IS, IS TO BUILD SOMETHING.
IF WE HAVE THAT CITIZEN BUY IN TO COUNCILS FROM NOW, THOSE PEOPLE WILL HAVE HAD A COMMENT ON THIS, HOPEFULLY, SO THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEIR VISION, THEIR VISION IS THE SAME AS OUR VISION, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE VISION OF PARKWAY.
SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO START ON THAT.
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TO GO OUT AND DISCUSS HOW WE'RE GOING TO DISSEMINATE THE SERVICE, HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT BUY IN, AND THEN THE NEXT STEP, WHICH IS GOING TO BE, LIKE I SAID, THE FACTS OR THE FACTS OR THE FACTS, THAT'S EASY TO PUT IN, BUT IT'S THE REST OF THE INFORMATION, WHAT WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT.SO, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KIND OF STEP OUT AND GET SOME INFORMATION HERE, I MEAN, WHAT I WHAT I THINK WE NEED REALLY AS KIND OF AN OUTLINE, RIGHT? AND YOU CAN CALL IT A PLAN, BUT BUT I'M THINKING FROM A DOCUMENTATION PERSPECTIVE, IT'S KIND OF AN OUTLINE THAT HAS ALL THE ALL THE PARAGRAPHS THAT WE NEED TO FILL IN , AND SO WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION HERE ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE.
THEY CALL THEM DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WE NEED TO STANDARDIZE THEM.
WE'RE GOING TO CALL THEM, RIGHT? AND THEN WE NEED TO JUST HAVE A GOOD LEGAL OUTLINE.
PARAGRAPH ONE, PARAGRAPH TWO, 1.1, 1.1, POINT ONE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND THEN WE PRESENT THAT TO A LARGER GROUP AND SAY, DOES EVERYBODY AGREE WITH THIS? SO TO ME, WE NEED A SMALLER GROUP OF FOLKS GET TOGETHER, THEY KIND OF HASH THROUGH ALL THIS AND KIND OF COME UP WITH AN OUTLINE.
AND THEN THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT YOU GOT FEELING FOR YOUR PLAN.
RIGHT? RIGHT. I WAS I WAS REALLY HOPING MAYBE WE COULD ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THAT TODAY, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK ACROSS ALL THE CITIES AND YOU CAN GO OUT TO THE REST OF THE CITY, BUT THERE ARE ALL THERE, SOME DIFFERENCES, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMONALITIES. SO WE CAN SAY, YES, WE WANT POPULATION, WE WANT HOUSING, WE WANT LAND USE.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS A QUESTION MARK AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, AND I DON'T THINK WE'D BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT UNTIL WE GET A SURVEY, BUT PARKS AND OPEN SPACES, I MEAN, THOSE ARE, I THINK, THE THINGS THAT WE CAN NAIL DOWN TODAY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, AND THEN MAYBE BY THE NEXT MEETING WE COULD HAVE SUGGESTED SOME HEADINGS OR SUB TOPICS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DEVELOPED.
THAT WAS KIND OF MY THOUGHT TOO.
YOU KNOW, REINVENTING THE WHEEL IS NEVER EFFICIENT AND WE HAVE MULTIPLE OUTLINES HERE.
I WAS UTILIZING KIND OF A HYBRID OF OUR ORIGINAL AND LUCAS.
LUCKILY IT'S ALL WORD COPY AND PASTE.
TO ME, IT'S LOOKING AT WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE CLOSEST CITY TO OURS AND ALSO KIND OF IN IT.
WHAT I DID, IT WAS LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A HYBRID OF LUCAS'S, OUR ORIGINAL ONE, AND I WAS USING KIND OF LUCAS'S OUTLINE TO TYPE IT ALL, AND THEN I WAS GOING TO PUT IT IN THOSE CATEGORIES. I AGREE THAT HE'S GOING TO FARMERSVILLE.
I THINK THAT THERE I MEAN, THE CHAPTER ONE.
EVAN, I THINK PRETTY MUCH COVERS MOST OF IT, UNLESS YOU SEE SOMETHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED, AND WE DON'T HAVE A MUNICIPAL AND WE DON'T HAVE A SCHOOLS OR LIBRARIES, BUT WE DO HAVE PARKS.
ONE, THREE, SEVEN. YEAH, AND I GUESS ONE THING THAT WE HAVE THAT I SEE REAL QUICKLY IN LUCAS AND WE DON'T HAVE IN FARMINGVILLE IS WHITE STREETS AND DRAINAGE. YEAH.
DRAINAGE IS A BIG, BIG DEAL, RIGHT? SO MAYBE IT OUGHT TO BE DRAINAGE AND STREETS.
IS THAT IS THAT NOT THE CASE? I ACTUALLY THINK THEY DID ADDRESS THE STREETS UNDER TRANSPORTATION, BUT IT WAS VERY LIMITED AS FAR AS WHAT THEY DISCUSSED.
WE NEED WATER FOR THE WATER SYSTEM.
THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD THROW OUT THERE TO CONSIDER IS YOU DO YOU DON'T WANT THE CATEGORY, YOU DON'T WANT THE CHAPTERS TO BE INCREDIBLY SPECIFIC, BUT YOU WANT THEM TO BE SPECIFIC ENOUGH. SOMEBODY KNOWS WHERE TO GO TO LOOK FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I KNOW IN THAT CONVERSATION WE'RE JUST HAVING ROADS WHERE THEY TRANSPORTATION.
WE WANT I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT WITH THIS PART OF AND I DID WHEN I LOOKED AT LUCAS, I DID I DELETED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT I PUT THE COMMERCIAL QUESTION TO MARK IN THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT I DID YEARS BACK.
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SO A LOT OF THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT I BORROWED FROM THEM.IT WAS KIND OF STEALING SOME OF THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS THE MOST.
I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE THING THAT I DIDN'T LOVE ABOUT HARD BECAUSE IT WAS ALMOST TOO SIMPLISTIC IN SOME WAYS, BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT CHAPTER HEADINGS, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING HIGH LEVEL. YEAH, YOU CAN LEAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED THERE.
WE HAVE TO ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS I THINK WE WOULD HAVE.
WE NEED TO SPECIFY FOODS AND DRINKS FOR THE PEOPLE.
SO IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING TOPIC AND I COULD GO ON WITH THIS.
SO WHAT DO YOU SAY? STREETS AND DRAINAGE.
WHAT DO YOU SAY? WATER AND DRAINAGE? YEAH, I JUST SAY RAIN.
I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU SAY? STREETS AND DRINKS? BECAUSE. BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK URBAN GUTTER.
YES. IT MEANS WHAT THEY'RE THINKING.
RIGHT, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR THAT'S NOT REALLY MOST OF OUR SITUATIONS.
RIGHT. SO WE NEED TO IT NEEDS TO BE DRAINAGE IN SOMETHING.
SO WHEN I THINK OF TRANSPORTATION, I DON'T THINK OF THE STREETS OF DRAINAGE AT ALL.
I THINK ABOUT HOW AM I GOING TO GET AROUND? PROBABLY RIGHT? I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE CAREFUL INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN MASSIVE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT FARMERSVILLE, THE TOP PORTION THAT WAS THE 2013 PLAN AND THEN IT WAS UPDATED IN 2017 AND THESE OTHER TOPICS LISTED THERE WERE INCLUDED.
YEAH, THAT'S A LOT OF CATEGORY.
THERE WERE TWO PAGES JUST TO LIST THE TABLES THAT WERE TWO PAGES OF TABLES.
NO, TWO PAGES, JUST THE LIST OF THE TABLE, BUT THAT ACTUALLY TABLES ARE GOOD, THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN, SO IF YOU HAVE TWO PAGES OF LISTINGS OF TABLES, THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT AND UNDERSTAND, BUT SO I'M GOING TO YOU I'M WILLING TO CONTINUE TO TYPE.
I'M NOT WILLING TO TYPE THINGS UNLESS THEY WERE FINDING SOMEBODY TO HIRE YOU OR VOLUNTEER.
YOU THEY WOULDN'T KNOW BEFORE THEY WENT FOR VERY SIMPLISTIC THING.
AS I SAY, THAT OUTLINES IS REALLY THERE'S A LOT OF MINUTIA THERE AND IT'S NOT VERY IT'S VERY PRACTICAL AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE MORE STRATEGIC IN MY OPINION. THEY LITERALLY JUST DO EVERYTHING.
THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING MORE THAN 390 PAGES WORTH TOO MUCH.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BACK TO THE POINT THAT WE MADE EARLIER IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GET INTO THAT AND PEOPLE ARE JUST KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO GET SO LOST IN THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYTHING OUT OF IT.
IT GIVES YOU A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU GOT YOU GOT TO STOP AT SOME LEVEL, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S RIGHT. YOU GOT TO STOP BEFORE YOU GET INTO THE TACTICAL LEVEL.
THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I THINK MY TO POINT OUT THAT I THINK WE'LL SEE WHERE YOU'LL SIT BY AND THAT IS THE REDEVELOPMENT OF.
DO WE WANT TO CONTROL THE REDEVELOPMENT OF PARKER? THERE ARE LARGE PIECES OF LAND THAT ARE BEING SOLD OFF.
WE HAVE ONE ON SECOND ONE JUST SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT, BUT IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO SUBDIVIDE IT. NOW THEY'VE GOT A PROBLEM.
HOW DO WE CONTROL? DO WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT IN FUTURE LAND USE? BUT ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT NEEDS TO BE BEEN MISSED WAS REDEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY.
IF YOU'VE GOT A FEW ACRES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH TWO ACRES, WHAT CAN YOU REDEVELOP? BUT WE DO HAVE STREET, SYCAMORE, DUBLIN, PARKLAND, LEWIS, PARTS OF PARKER ROAD THAT ARE SELLING OFF IN THEIR LARGE BLOCK OF LAND.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THOSE? WE'RE GOING TO START SEEING RHETORIC THAT A LOT OF LARGE LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT SELLING OUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, WHAT ARE PEOPLE GOING TO WANT TO DO ABOUT HOW THINGS WORK? OH, YEAH.
A LOT OF THE FARMLAND IS IS THE KIDS DON'T WANT TO FARM.
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HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS ON WHAT THE NEWER RESIDENTS VERSUS THE CURRENT RESIDENTS THAT WE ARE CONNECTED WITH, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO RING WITH THE RESIDENTS.BECAUSE AGAIN, PEOPLE COME HERE.
IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS PEOPLE COME.
THE WHOLE SPACE. SO CAN WE DESIGNATE CERTAIN DISTRICTS TO BE.
RIGHT. I MEAN. REALLY, BUT I BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'STHAT'S, THAT'S HYPOTHETICAL STUFF.
WELL, IT'S REALLY NOT IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT'LL COME UP.
I MEAN, I KNOW ONE OF THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO COME UP AT ONE POINT NEVER CAME UP WITH HER STATEMENT.
GOING FORWARD. ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, BUT THIS IS PROBABLY TOO EARLY TO BE TALKING ABOUT NOW, IS WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT HOW TO CITIZEN OF THIS WAR.
IS IT GOING TO BE PROPERTY TAXES, BUSINESS? WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THAT FAR AWAY, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT MOST OF US WANT TO HAVE OUR PROPERTY TAXES RISE TO WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING.
NO CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD IN THE COUNCIL DURING OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP.
IF THE BUDGET IS BASED ON THEM, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT HAPPENS? WE HAVE TO OFFSET THAT.
I DID NOTICE FUNDING SOURCE IS SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DID PUT IT BACK.
MOST OF THESE KIND OF FOLLOW UP SIMILAR GUYS.
SO IF WE IF WE LIKE THAT ONE, WE CAN WORK WITH THAT ONE AND ADD THE OTHER CHAPTERS WE NEED.
IF WE LIKE ON THE OTHER CITIES, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
THE MORE BOXES WE CAN CHECK OFF, THE FURTHER ALONG THIS IS THIS IS.
WE CAN ALWAYS UPDATE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
TO ME, IT IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT TO GET SOMETHING DONE SO THAT WE HAD IT FINISHED FOR THE CITY.
IN THE FUTURE WE CAN ALWAYS AMEND.
SO THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT IS IT SHOULD BE REVIEWED REGULARLY WITH ANYONE.
YOU USED IT FOR THE FIRST TIME, LIKE, OH, I WISH I PUT A PLUG HERE.
YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO THAT WITH THIS AND WE'LL HAVE TO BE AMENDABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AS IT COMES UP, AND WE MIGHT HAVE AN AMENDMENT NEXT YEAR AND WE DON'T KNOW, BUT ONCE WE GET IT DONE, WE WILL AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH.
WE HAVE TO START THE FOUNDATION.
SO YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS DONE BEFORE THE YEAR AND I DON'T THINK WE WILL.
THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS, YES, I WANTED TO GET IT DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE NEARLY AS DETAILED AT THE BEGINNING.
HOW I GET THE PLAN IS VERY FACT BASED AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE 1000000000 HOURS JUST TYPING AND PUTTING THE INFORMATION IN BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE THE MONEY, AND ALSO, AGAIN, NOBODY WAS WILLING TO COME IN AND BE A PLANNER FOR THAT, AND WE WE DID POST IT OUT TO TRY TO GET THERE ARE COMPANIES WITH PLANNERS NOBODY THAT SO WE COULD ATTEMPT TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
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YOU CONSIDER THE TIME PERIOD WITHIN WHICH WE'VE BEEN OPERATING THUS FAR THAT'S GETTING SOMETHING DONE IN A FEW MONTHS, IT'S AN AMAZING ACCOMPLISHMENT. YES.SO SO LET'S GET DOWN TO THE ACTUAL THE BRASS TACKS HERE.
IF WE LOOK AT FARMERSVILLE AND WE LOOK AT THE TOP PORTION WHERE CHAPTERS ONE THROUGH SEVEN AND THEN WE ALSO ADD WATER SUPPLY AND JUST DRINK SOME OF THAT, WHAT DOES LET'S I'M GOING DOWN THE LIST HERE.
WATER SUPPLY AND DISTRIBUTION STUDY.
I DON'T KNOW. IT'S UNDER UTILITIES, UNDER FARMERSVILLE.
IT'S JUST A FURTHER STUDY THAT THEY DID THAT THEY INCLUDED IN.
NO, BUT I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF.
WELL, I THINK WE STILL ADD THE SAME INFORMATION BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A WATER STUDY OUT.
I THINK WE CAN ADD THAT UNDER THE UTILITY TO PROVIDE THE BASIS INSIGHTS, BUT I WOULD SAY IF WE'RE IF WE'RE TRYING TO BREAK THESE OUT MUCH MORE, LET'S GO THE RECORD. DO WE LOOK BACK AT THE ONE FOR LUCAS? AND IT HAS ALL OF THOSE CATEGORIES BROKEN OUT, BUT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SHORTER TO THE ASPECT OF IT.
SO IF WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT, THEN I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IN THE CATEGORIES WE ADD.
BUT I DO AGREE THAT THE ONLY THING THAT I SEE.
LUCAS THAT IT'S DIFFERENT THAN FARMERSVILLE IS THE STRATEGIC IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
IT SEEMS TO HAVE PULLED THAT ALL TOGETHER WHERE IT'S AT.
LUCAS THAT SEEMS TO BE ALL SPREAD OUT.
WHEREAS I THINK YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT PIECES OF IT IN THE INDIVIDUAL ASPECTS, BUT I THINK HAVING A SPECIFIC PULL TOGETHER STRATEGIC IMPLEMENTATION IS IMPORTANT, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT FARMERSVILLE SEEMS TO DO.
THE ONE CAVEAT THAT I WOULD SAY IS BECAUSE I DO FEEL I AGREE WITH RUSSELL THAT THE CITY HAS AN ISSUE OF STARTING A PROJECT AND WE'RE GOING TO GET IT DONE IN TEN YEARS FROM NOW.
WE'RE STILL HAVING THAT SAME CONVERSATION.
THIS I STRONGLY FEEL THIS COULD NOT BE ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT I'M GOING TO BE HOLDING ON TO, TO KEEP PULLING EVERYBODY TOGETHER AND INTERRUPTING EVERYBODY'S SCHEDULES TO GET IT DONE.
BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT.
I WANT THE BRAINPOWER, I WANT THE COLLABORATION.
I WANT TO GET IT OVER THE FINISH LINE.
I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE THE BEST THING IN THE WORLD, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TIME TO COMPLETE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, TO PUT IT IN THERE OR THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND PUT IT IN THERE, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HOLD OUT ON THIS TO WAIT FOR THOSE TO BE FINALIZED.
WE NEEDED THEM. WE DON'T HAVE THEM.
LET'S GET TODAY. YEAH, THAT SOUNDS THAT SOUNDS GOOD.
THAT IS THE RESOURCES FROM STAFF, BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING FOR US TO PULL THE INFORMATION TOGETHER.
THE FACT IS A LOT OF THE DATA HAS TO COME FROM STAFF AND THEY HAVE THEIR OTHER JOBS.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T THAT WE HAVE.
I THINK I WAS ASKING FOR THAT FOR FOUR YEARS.
WELL, WE CAN WE CAN WORK ON EVERY WE CAN WORK ON WHAT WE CAN WORK ON AND THEN HAVE THE PLACEHOLDERS FOR THE THINGS THAT MATTER. MAY AS FAR AS THAT GOES, THAT'S KIND OF YOUR WHEELHOUSE, IS GETTING STAFF TO COMPLETE THAT.
WOULD YOU PREFER A LIST OF EVERY PIECE OF DATA THAT WE NEED? AND THEN YOU DISSEMINATE IT AND YOU CAN KEEP TRACK OF THAT LIST? WOULD YOU PREFER AS WE NEEDED TO SEND.
HERE'S SOME INFORMATION THAT I NEED HERE.
I THINK THE MORE ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE I HAVE TOGETHER I CAN DO, AND THEN I GET WITH MURPH AND WE WILL MAKE SURE TO GET IT OUT AND THEN WE CAN WRITE IT.
OKAY, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL, BECAUSE THEN I GET WITH THEM AND WILL GET IT OUT.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD GIVE A THAT IS POSSIBLE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS BICYCLE SECTION.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT, BUT THE.
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THERE, BECAUSE WE CAN GENERALIZE SOME OF THIS SO THAT WHEN WE GET TO STREETS AND DRAINAGE TO MOVE THIS WHAT CHAPTER SEVEN IN THE LUCAS CHAPTER SEVEN ON LUCAS, I THINK THAT ALL THESE THINGS PROBABLY SHOULD WHAT WE CAN GET I MEAN IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ANALYSIS, THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM ANALYSIS DONE, THAT'S FINE, BUT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE THINGS BECAUSE THOSE ARE HOT TOPICS. SO I DO THINK THERE'LL BE SOME THINGS WE JUST DON'T HAVE AND MAYBE INFORMATION THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS OTHER PIECE OF DATA, MAYBE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE IMMEDIATELY, BUT I AGREE.YES. YEAH, WE'LL CALL IT WHATEVER WE MIGHT WANT TO CALL IT.
RIGHT. RIGHT. SO DO WE DO WE HAVE AN APPLICATION? WE HAVE A DRAINAGE SYSTEM, CONDITIONS PLAN, AND I GUESS I ALWAYS SAY THAT BECAUSE USUALLY WHEN WE HAVE A DRAINAGE PLAN THAT IMPLIES THAT YOU HAVE THE DRAFT AND YOUR.
DUMP THIS PIPE INTO THAT PIPE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE ABOVE GROUND.
ABOVE GROUND. SO WE HAVE A DRAINAGE PLAN.
YEAH, IT GOES WITH THIS CREEK OF THAT CREEK, AND THEN THE SHOVEL IN YOUR GARAGE.
I MEAN, THE ONLY THE ONLY REASON IS BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE TACTICAL HYDROLOGIC STUDIES, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THE DETAIL RIGHT LIKE THIS, BUT WE NEED TO SAY THAT, YES, WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR DRAINAGE, AND EVERY TIME WE BUILD MORE, PUT MORE CONCRETE DOWN, WE GET THEM.
I THINK WE DO HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.
I THINK WITH THE ONE ANOTHER HOT TOPIC THAT I HAD IN MY NOTES WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IS THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF EXISTING DRAINAGE, AND I THINK THAT HAS TO GO IN THERE BECAUSE THAT'S SUCH A DISTURBING NEW TOPIC.
WILL THIS BUCKET FOR THAT OVER TO YOUR FRONT YARD AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT IN SOME WAY BECAUSE IN SOME INSTANCES THAT THEY DUMP ON THE CITY AND SOME OF THEM OR NOT AND I THINK WE HAVE TO SPECIFY THAT OUT BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE QUESTIONS WHEN DOES THE CITY CONSTRUCTED A CULVERT? I'VE HEARD THAT MOST OF THE TIME.
SO SOMETIMES YOU HAVE SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND IT'S AND THEN THERE'S SOME INSTANCES WHERE YOU GO, WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT BECAUSE WE PUT A BURDEN TO MINE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES IN HERE SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, AND AGAIN, THAT ISN'T SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT.
THIS IS THE WAY THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
THIS IS WHAT IT WILL BE. SO WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK TO THIS SEVENTH.
SO I WOULD PROBABLY SAY THAT STREETS DRAINAGE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE. I FEEL LIKE HOUSING IS A SOLUTION, BUT I THINK WE CAN KIND OF PUT THAT IN OUR TRENDS, WHAT THE HOUSING CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE OR IT WILL LOOK LIKE.
I THINK THAT IS THAT IS A ONE PARAGRAPH.
LUCKILY FOR PARKER THAT CAN GO ON THE TREND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT IN THE FUTURE TIME BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE TO DISCUSS COMMERCIAL, NOT NECESSARILY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO DISCUSS AT LEAST COMMERCIAL PARTS OF THE OPEN SPACE.
THEY HAVE TO COVER THAT WATER AND OTHER UTILITIES AND PUBLIC FACILITIES.
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THE TABLE.SO THE CITY PASSED A VISION SET.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WERE AWARE OF IT, AND IS THAT WHERE WE WANT TO START AND THEN AN OUTLINE OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO ROLL THAT OFF AND START WITH THE MOON? SO I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT MAYBE WE PULL UP THE NC BECAUSE WE MIGHT LOOK AT IT GO, WOW, WE WERE THINKING THAT WHEN THEY WROTE IT OR YOU KNOW, AND I THINK EVERYBODY HAS TO GIVE THEIR OPINION ON UTILIZING IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO REINVENT THE WHEEL.
YEP, AND YOU COULD INTERPRET THAT BOTH WAYS, RIGHT? YES. WOW. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING WHEN THEY DID THIS OR WOW, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING WHEN THEY DID THIS? YEAH, MY WIFE USED TO WHENEVER SHE'S TALKING TO ME AGAIN, BUT JUST ONE QUESTION ON CHAPTER TWO BEFORE WE GO TO THIS.
YES, JUST TALK ABOUT DEMOGRAPHIC AND TRENDS AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING.
I MEAN, DO WE WANT THAT TO BE MORE OF A OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY OR NOW I WOULD ADD FOR PAST, PRESENT, FUTURE, I PROBABLY WOULD MAKE THAT THE POPULATION AND HOUSING TOGETHER IS THAT I DIDN'T NECESSARILY BECAUSE I KNOW I DON'T LIKE THE TERM DEMOGRAPHIC YOU NO I THINK POPULATION AND HOUSING WILL COVER THAT WILL COVER ALL THE TRENDS FOR THE CITY I WOULD JUST SAY.
PROTECTING THE HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE.
HERE'S THE THING THAT IN MY OPINION, IS LOOKING AT THAT.
I LIKE IT WHEN ALL SAYS AND SAYS NOTHING ABOUT DENSITY OF THE HOUSING.
IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE LOCKS.
IT DOESN'T SAY. NOW IN PERSON COUNTRY SETTING, WHICH IS IN THERE, BUT MURPHY AT ONE POINT.
YEAH. SO SO MY ON THE SIGN THAT YOU CAME TO MURPHY.
YES, EXACTLY. SO SO MY MY JUST OVERALL JUST READ THAT AND KNOW PART RESOURCES WHAT THAT SAYS NONE OF THAT IS INCORRECT BUT IT DOESN'T IT'S ALMOST LIKE SOMEBODY TELLING YOU A STORY, BUT THEY'RE ONLY TELLING YOU ONE FACT OF THE TEN.
YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY THE MATH IS DEFINITELY NOT MORE WORSE.
I THINK WE UTILIZE THAT A LOT IN OUR MARKETING LARGE LOT, AND THEN WE'RE KIND OF AVOIDING THAT HERE.
YEAH. SO WE PROVIDE PRESIDENT I DON'T KNOW HIGHLY RESPONSIVE SERVICES OVER.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S EXPECTED OF THEM.
CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? THE PRESENTATION, AND I THINK THE VISION.
I'VE SEEN THE STORY AND I THINK THE VISION REALLY IS WHAT DO YOU THINK? PICTURES OF 30,000 PEOPLE FROM THE COMPANY STAND FOR? SO WE DON'T NEED A MARKETING.
NO, I THINK THAT MAY BE MORE HELPFUL AS EVERYONE IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE OUTLINE OF THAT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO DISCUSS AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS.
THIS IS THIS IS VERY MUCH A FREE MARKET IN WHICH SOME OF IT, AS YOU SAID, IS, WELL, THE KIND OF THING IT'S HONEST, BUT IT DOESN'T PAINT THE PICTURE OF WHAT THE CONFLICT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO INCLUDE SOME OF OUR OUR NORMAL KEYWORDS, LARGE BLOCK OR PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO HAVE A TWOFOLD BEFORE THEY START DOING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
NOW, IT MAY BE SEMANTICS, BUT I'M NOT SURE VISION STATEMENT IS THE CORRECT WORD OR COMPREHENSIVE CONCEPTUAL POINT.
KNOW ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING THAT WHICH WOULD HAVE MORE WEIGHT TO.
FRAMEWORK. IF YOU GET IF YOU GO.
I MEAN, I'VE JUST BEEN TO A BIG EXERCISE ON THIS RECENTLY, AND SO I LOOKED ALL OVER THE WEB TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE CALL IT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU YOU KIND OF GOT A MISSION IS WHAT YOU'RE ASSIGNING YOUR ORGANIZATION, WHAT YOUR THE MISSION OF YOUR ORGANIZATION.
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GOALS ARE AND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO STRIVING FOR AND THAT KIND OF THING.SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT TO BE VERY HIGH LEVEL AND THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT IT'S CALLED.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO THE SALINA PLAN, THAT'S THEIR VISION, AND THEY DON'T THEY DO REFER TO IT AS A VISION STATEMENT, BUT BUT THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF THAT IS EMBEDDED THROUGHOUT THAT PLAN, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. YEAH. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND EVERYBODY GO TO THAT.
YOU SAY LIKE AS WE SAY IN OUR VISION, WE HAVE THAT RIGHT, AND SO YOU BASICALLY KEEP POUNDING THAT DOWN EVERYONE'S THROAT SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT WHAT YOUR VISION IS. THAT'S ONE OF THOSE COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF NEAT THAT WE ALL KNOW ABOUT PARKER OR THOSE ARE WHAT IMPLIES THAT IN MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE WE'RE A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY OF LARGE LOTS.
THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
HOMES, FARMLAND OR, YOU KNOW, YOU START OUT BY YOU START OUT BY JUST THROWING OUT KEYWORDS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU WANT YOUR VISION LARGE WHAT'S OPEN SPACES FRIENDLY COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO JUST THROW OUT THE KEYWORDS AND THEN YOU START, THEN YOU PUT THEM INTO THE INTO THE VISION GENERATOR ON THE WEB, AND IT CREATES YOUR VISION. YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU EVER DONE THAT KNOW THEIR VISION, THEIR VISION STATEMENT GENERATORS? YOU JUST PUT IN A BUNCH OF KEYWORDS AND IT COMES UP WITH A BUNCH OF MUMBO JUMBO.
BUT IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF FUN BECAUSE YOU GET YOUR KEYWORDS AND YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO REALLY.
WHAT IT DOES IS IT CAN IT CAN GIVE YOU THE BRIDGE STATEMENTS.
SOMETIMES YOU MAY, YOU DON'T YOU'LL NEVER USE THE WHOLE THING, BUT YOU USE PIECES OF IT.
WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO PARKER, I REMEMBER THERE SEEING BUMPER STICKERS THAT SAID PARKER.
CITY OF BEAUTIFUL WOMEN AND FAST HORSES.
I USED TO JOKE SAYING, ARE YOU SURE IT'S NOT FAST WOMEN AND BEAUTIFUL WOMEN? SO I JUST FOUND A WEBSITE THAT HAS A VISION STATEMENT GENERATOR IN LIKE, DO YOU WANT IT IN IN FRENCH, FINNISH, FILIPINO, ENGLISH, DUTCH, GREEK.
I MEAN, WE COULD DO IT IN GERMAN.
GET. WHAT DOES LUCAS SOUND LIKE? THEIR VISION STATEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW SOMEBODY CAN LOOK IT UP.
I THINK IT SAYS SOMETHING LIKE THAN NOT PROBABLY , AND THE IRONY IS I DON'T SEE IT ANYWHERE IN THE POINT.
THE WHOLE POINT HERE, OH, IT'S NOT THE BORDER THAT THEY HAVE.
CAN YOU GO UP TO THEIR SEARCH? HE WAS ON A SEARCH EARLIER.
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FOR EVERYBODY.YEAH. IT'S NOT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR.
BE. SHE TALKED ABOUT THE PARTS OF THE STATE.
WHEN THE. HERE'S THE BIG SCREEN THAT'S RIGHT OVER THERE.
THEY HAVE NEITHER ENGAGEMENT VALUES.
YOU MIGHT LIKE TO PROTECT THE PERSONS AND PROPERTY IN SALINAS BY PROVIDING QUALITY AND INNOVATIVE EMERGENCY SERVICES.
THAT'S IT. THAT'S ONE THATTHAT'S A THAT'S A THAT'S A STATEMENT WRITTEN BY THE CITY EMPLOYEES TO THE, AND THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT A CITY.
NO IDEA. THAT'S ALL. WELL, CAN I SUGGEST THAT WE ALL GO HOME AND WRITE OUR OWN VISION STATEMENTS AND SUBMIT IT? WELL, SO HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DO HERE, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS DOABLE IS THE KEY.
I THINK I THINK YOU GET THE KEYWORDS OUT.
I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY MUCH MORE OF A COUNTRY SETTING.
SO I THINK I PERSONALLY LARGE LOTS.
I LIKE OPEN SPACE, OPEN SPACES.
COUNTRY SETTING, COUNTRY SETTING, AND WE WANT TO HAVE AN EQUAL COUNTRY, BUT I GUESS FOR MANY OF THE WORDS I SUGGEST YOU USE WORDS THAT MOST PEOPLE WILL HAVE A COMMON DEFINITION FOR.
COUNTRY LIFE? PROBABLY, YES, COUNTRY.
I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS BRAINSTORMING.
SO OBVIOUSLY IS A USELESS WORD.
SO IT'S HIGH QUALITY, AND THEN WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? FRIENDLY. YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO BE FRIENDLY OR NOT FOR A BUSINESS STATEMENT.
THIS IS BRAINSTORMING THROUGH THINGS THAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO.
ALL RIGHT. LEAVE IT IN THE BASEMENT THERE.
YEAH, JUST. I MEAN, JUST THROW OUT WORDS, YOU KNOW? COMMUNITY. COMMUNITY.
I SUGGEST YOU WILL THINK IN TERMS OF LIMITED COMMERCIAL.
GRETA. MY FRIEND MADE AN OLD FRIEND USE FRIENDLY GROUND OPINION SO, YOU KNOW, CAN'T DO THIS.
THE ANIMAL FRIENDLY. ANIMAL FRIENDLY.
EXCEPT IF YOU'RE TALKING MOSTLY FRIENDLY.
YOU JUST GOT TO JUST KIND OF THROW OUT WHAT WHAT WHAT IS IT THAT MAKES PARTNER GOOD? BEST PLACE TO LIVE.
WE WANT THE BEST CITY, BEST NEIGHBORHOODS.
HOW DO YOU WANT THIS? THIS IS BRAINSTORMING, SO I CAN'T THINK OF THE WORD THAT I WANT TO USE, WHICH IS ODD FOR ME, BUT HOW DO YOU SAY THAT? IT'S NOT COOKIE CUTTER NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT? YOU MEAN IT IS UNIQUE? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN FOR A COUNTRY THING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CHIEF SAID ANYBODY ELSE ON A PARKER.
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CUSTOM LIVING SOMETHING.REAL ESTATE GUYS LIKE STRAIGHT LINES.
ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO PUT THEM ON YOUR VISION STATEMENT, BUT, I MEAN, WE DO STRIVE TO NOT HAVE HUGE HIGH TAXES, LOW, LOW, LOW COST, LOW TAXES, YOU KNOW, ECONOMICALLY FRIENDLY.
RIGHT. RIGHT. PROPERTY VALUES, AND WE'RE AN OASIS.
HOW ABOUT OASIS? YEAH, THAT'S.
WE LIVE A LIFE WHERE WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SERVICE IN GENERAL.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO WE HAVE POLICE, WE HAVE PUBLIC SERVICE THAT NOT ALL SAY, LIKE A LOT OF TIMES WHAT WE HAVE IS WE ALSO HAVE KIND OF A MINIMALISTIC, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD TENNIS COURTS FOR EVERYONE AND GOLF COURSE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
ONE NIGHT DOWN THE STREET, A GOOD PLACE TO RAISE KIDS.
WELL, IT'S IN THAT OUTDOOR ASPECT OF IT.
WHAT YOU GOT? I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT THE RIGHT ONE.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE HAD A GOOD PIECE WITH THE.
DID YOU WORK FAST? YOU 5 SECONDS OR YOUR FAST? GIVE ME. GIVE YOU A WORD ABOUT LOVE.
SCHOOLS. ACCESS TO SCHOOLS OPEN LIKE THAT.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE OUR OWN SCHOOLS.
IT IS. YOUR PHONE IS GOOD, THOUGH, RIGHT? OH. OH, YEAH.
THAT WAS HER. I'M LOOKING AT BUENOS AIRES.
SOMETHING ABOUT NATURE OR OUTDOORS.
EVERYBODY GOT TO GET LOTS OF GOOD WORK HERE, SO.
OUTDOOR LIVING. OUTDOOR LIVING.
OUTDOOR. KEEP YOUR NEIGHBORS AT A DISTANCE.
WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE DOING? DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING. ELBOW, ROOM.
SEPARATION. SOUNDS LIKE A DIVORCE.
OH, PRIVACY. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD.
THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. WE'RE IN THE GREEN ROOM, BASICALLY.
WE'RE ALL. WE'RE ALWAYS A COUPLE OF DEGREES COOLER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME.
YOU GOT IT. WORKING IT IN THE SUMMER.
CICADAS OVER WHOLE RABBITS, TREES, SQUIRREL.
WE GET WILDLIFE, COYOTES, WILDLIFE, WILDLIFE, LOGGERS THROUGH YOUR YARD.
SO MY DOGS FIND IT ALL THE TIME.
JUST REMEMBER A BIRD COMMUNITY VERSUS A DIVERSITY.
HOW DID YOU FIND THAT? THAT IS CORRECT.
I LOVE THEM. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK.
OKAY. WE'RE KEEPING TRACK OF STUFF NOW.
THIS IS GOOD. HERE, I'LL JUST READ THE THINGS BACK THAT I JOTTED DOWN.
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BEST PLACE TO LIVE PEOPLE.UNIQUE CUSTOM LIVING ESTATE LOTS, LOW TAXES, OASIS QUALITY SERVICE, QUALITY OF LIFE.
CONTROLLING ACCESS TO SCHOOLS, EASY ACCESS TO SERVICES, LOW CRIME OUTDOORS NATURE, NATURAL OUTDOOR LIVING, ELBOW ROOM LAND SEPARATION PRIVACY ROOM TO BREATHE COOLER TEMPS, WILDLIFE DIVERSITY DIVERSE LOW LOW DENSITY.
SO I CAN HEAR LIMITED COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY FOR A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
SO FAIRVIEW ACTUALLY HAS SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS REALLY APPLICABLE TO US.
QUOTE, KEEPING IT COUNTRY IS THE THING AND THERAPY IN TOWN.
FAIRVIEW PROVIDES A LIFESTYLE CHOICE TREASURED BY ITS CITIZENS.
THE FAIRVIEW WAY OF LIFE PLACES A TREMENDOUS VALUE ON MAINTAINING ITS COUNTRY ATMOSPHERE, PRESERVING ITS NATURAL ASSETS AND WELCOMING, WELCOMING COMMERCIAL INVESTMENT THAT FITS WITH THE COMMUNITY'S VALUES WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THE SHOPPING CART WAS KIND OF PUT BRICKS STOLEN OUTSIDE THIS UNTIL GET TO THAT PART.
A CLOSE AND SUPPORTIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH NATURE TRANSLATES TO A COLLECTION OF SHARED COMMUNITY VALUES THAT IS AT THE HEART OF THE TOWN'S IDENTITY , BUT HAVING THE SHARED VALUES, PRESERVING NATURAL ASSETS IN HARMONY WITH SOMEONE WE DIDN'T SAY.
WE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING LIKE TREES AND HARMONY WITH THE ENVIRONMENT, WITH NATURE, WITH NATURE.
COUNTRY LIVING IN HARMONY WITH NATURE.
YEAH, WE GOT WE GOT STUFF TO WORK WITH THAT IS JUST BEING A MISSION STATEMENT GENERATOR.
THAT'S RIGHT. EVERYBODY GETS TO NOODLE ON THAT, RIGHT? KIND OF. KIND OF GO LOOK AT IT.
YEAH. WE SAY KEEPING IT OPEN AND KEEPING IT NATURAL.
MAVERICKS AND MAVERICKS AND MAVERICKS AND COWBOYS.
NO, WE JUST WANTED TO STEAL THAT DOWN.
IT'S OVER, RIGHT? YOU SEND THAT OUT, ALL WE GOT.
I THINK. GONNA SEND THIS FOR SOME.
ALREADY DONE. NO, I'M JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING ALL THE ALL THE WAYS, ALL THE PERMUTATIONS AND EVERYTHING AND HOW YOU CAN BRING ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER. SO A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
OKAY, SO THE FIRST THING THAT I THINK NOW IS KIND OF THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ASK.
SO MEETING OPPORTUNITIES YOU WANT TO TRY AND DO AGAIN THE NEXT STEP OF BEING EARLY OR LET'S ASK. YEAH, WHAT TIME OF DAY IS THE BEST FOR MOST PEOPLE? IS IT AFTERNOON? IS IT EVENING.
IS IT MORNING? BECAUSE I REALIZE. FOR ME, IT'S MUCH BETTER FOR PEOPLE IF YOU WORK IN THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
IN THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETINGS, THE SECOND THE THIRD WEEK OF NOVEMBER COMING UP, WHICH IS WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF MICHAEL GOVE ISSUES THE FIRST.
I THOUGHT WE WERE CANCELING THE FIRST TUESDAY OF NOVEMBER.
YES, BUT WE CAN STILL MAKE A PLAN OVER IT.
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SO, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, FOR ME, 4:00 OR LATER IS GENERALLY BETTER JUST BECAUSE I DO HAVE A JOB.WE TALKED WITH PEOPLE A LOT OF OTHER TIME ZONES.
FOR MANY PEOPLE IF IT WAS 4:00 LAST.
OKAY. NO HAND RACING UP THERE, AND BEFORE 9:00 AT NIGHT, JUST WE WORK ALL DAY.
THEN. WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THIS BETTER FOR MONTHS.
THE NAME RINGS A BELL, SO I PREFER TO FOCUS ON ONE OR TWO JOIN IN.
THESE DAYS, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT HAPPENS ON TUESDAYS.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO KILL PEOPLE.
SO. WE HAVE TO TELL THEM TO RESCHEDULE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO ANY ANY DAY THAT WE HAVE ON NEXT WEEK.
OH, NEXT WEEK'S LIKE THE 25TH.
YOU DON'T NEED TO SKIP A WEEK.
NO, THAT'S TRUE. I FORGET WHAT HAPPENED.
THAT'S WHY I WRITE THEM. YEAH.
THAT'S THE TRUTH. WE HAVE THE PLAN.
GOT TO DO WITH THAT. 4:00, 4:00, 4:00, 4:00.
ON THE POINT THAT IT IS DECIDED, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, HOW LONG DO YOU SUPPOSE WE'LL BE GOING? I'M THINKING MY GENERAL OPINION.
IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE US GO IN WITH SOME, YOU WERE.
I WOULD SAY THAT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO.
YOU COULD ALWAYS BREAK UP THE SMALLER GROUPS AND KIND OF GO FOR THINGS AND COME BACK AGAIN.
SO OF COURSE, IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO THAT MEETING WITH OUR VISIONS.
I WOULD LIKE SOME IDEAS OF WHAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE AS FAR AS I SHOULD SAY, BUT EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE WHOLE THING, IF YOU HAVE A SENTENCE, I HAVE A FEELING THIS IS GOING TO BE KIND OF A FRANKENSTEIN EFFECT OF APART FROM EVERYBODY AND COME TOGETHER AS ONE AGAIN.
GOOD ENOUGH. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE GREATEST MOTTO, BUT MAYBE THAT'S OUR VISION STATEMENT.
WE PULL THAT TOGETHER, COME UP WITH THAT.
HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE FIRST HOUR AND THE SECOND ALBUM.
ARE YOU GOING TO LIKE IT? THAT'S WHAT I LOVE.
YOU DON'T LIKE EDDIE MURPHY'S DOWN THE ROAD? OH, WE GET TO MEET. WE'LL MEET THE FIRE STATION.
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FAVOR. SAY. HEY, HEY, YO, LEE.OUR NEXT OPTION WAS WE WERE GOING TO CALL IT A FIRE FILLER.
WAIT TILL THEY LEFT, AND THEN JUST TAKE IT ANYWAY.
YOU HAVE TO SEE THESE METAL CHARTS STARTING OUT.
HE REMEMBERS WE SIGNED THE CHECKS.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD KIND OF THOUGHT PROCESS AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
I REALLY THINK WE NEED A GOOD VISION STATEMENT TO BE ABLE TO DRAFT THE QUESTION.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS LOOK, LIKE I SAID, HE SENT SOME SAMPLE SURVEY QUESTIONS OUT IN ALL YOUR FREE TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, ALSO KIND OF START THINKING ABOUT WAYS TO SURVEY PEOPLE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE IDEA SURVEY MONKEY IS THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO USE THE EXACT SITE.
WE COULD DRAFT OUR OWN VERSION AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
WE HAVE A RESIDENT IS VERY GOOD WITH THE GOOGLE ANALYTICS THING.
IF WE GIVE HIM QUESTIONS, HE'LL DO IT AND MAKE A SPREADSHEET THAT PULLED ALL THE INFORMATION.
DOES THE CITY OPERATE ON MICROSOFT? 365 YEAH, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF STUFF.
YEAH, BUT YOU GOT FORUMS. YEAH, YOU GOT FORUMS. SO I MEAN, I MEAN YOU DO SURVEYMONKEY, YOU FORM, YOU CAN DO ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
THAT'S MY JOB. WE DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR.
WHEN WE BROUGHT IT ABOUT GETTING SOMEBODY, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO WASTE MONEY ON THINGS IF WE CAN DO IT OURSELVES, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT KEEPS THE COST OF LIVING WARM, AND THE OTHER THING THAT I CAN TELL PEOPLE DO WHAT WE CAN DO TOGETHER IS TWO FOR EACH CATEGORY I'M GOING TO DO PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE.
SO THE PAST AND THE PRESENT ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE WITH THE SURVEY SO THAT PART CAN BE DRAFTED.
YEAH. I WOULD LOVE TO HELP YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE.
THAT'S A LONG TIME. I'M NOT THAT OLD.
I THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU DIDN'T START ON THAT.
WE GOT TO AT LEAST BREAK OUT OF THAT LINE NOW THAT WE HAVE A GENERAL OUTLINE TO START WORKING ON.
IF WE DRAFT THE OUTLINE, WE CAN START FILLING IN AND.
HEY, REAL QUICK THAT I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
SO I KIND OF GREW UP IN THIS AREA, EAST PLANO AND EVERYTHING, KNOW WHERE I'M WORKING, BUT SO I BASICALLY LIVED IN THIS GENERAL AREA FOR 53 YEARS.
WHO'S WHO'S LIVED HERE AROUND THE AREA LONGER.
YEAH. WHEN I WAS RIDING MOTORCYCLES ON DUBLIN ROAD.
YEAH. IT USED TO BE KIND OF ALL MUD IT UP AND STUFF.
WAS NICE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO ADD, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT.
THAT BROUGHT UP, I HAD IN MY NOTES.
THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID HE DID THAT WAS KIND OF COOL, WAS THEY TOOK THE BUILDING OF THE CITY, EITHER THEIR LONGEST RESIDING RESIDENT OR THE LONGEST TWO IN ONE CITY THAT THEY WERE WITHIN A YEAR AND THEY HAD TO KIND OF DRAFT A LETTER THAT WENT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I HAD SOMEBODY BRING THAT TO ME FROM WHO IS A LONG TIME RESIDENT OF PARKER, WHO PROBABLY WOULD BE ONE OF THE FEW LETTERS, I WOULD SUSPECT, BUT THEY HAD BROUGHT THAT UP AS SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER.
AS I MOVED HERE BEFORE PARKER WAS HERE.
HERE'S WHAT I'VE SEEN. IT'S KIND OF A KIND OF A FUN INTRODUCTION LETTER FOR PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE TO KIND OF SAVE THE HISTORY OF THE RESIDENT WHO HAVE BEEN HERE THE LONGEST, WHAT THEY HAD SEEN, THE GROWTH AND WHAT THEY'VE EXPERIENCED.
IT'S JUST KIND OF A FUN THING THAT LOWERING THE.
YEAH, AND I THINK SOME OF THAT KIND OF THING CAN BE INCORPORATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO MAKE IT MORE INTERESTING ON THE HISTORIC SIDE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY. WE DO.
I MEAN, THE DUBLIN ROADS THING IS PRETTY INTERESTING.
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WE'VE HAD A LOT OF GOOD FEATURES.I DO AGREE THAT KIND OF BRINGS IN A READ, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IT.
WE WANT TO INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE.
IT WOULD KIND OF PRESERVE THAT HISTORY AS RESIDENTS MOVE ON TO STILL HAVE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE WITH THEIR ACTUAL COMMITMENT TO THE END.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO ADD? YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THEM HERE, JOHN.
JOHN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.