Sep 20, 2022 City Council

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I HEREBY CALL THE PARKER CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.

[CALL TO ORDER]

AT THIS TIME, MR. OLSON, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? YES, MADAM MAYOR, WE DO.

AT THIS TIME WE WILL RECESS AND TO CLOSE EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED IN GOVERNMENT CODE

[EXECUTIVE SESSION ]

GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.0711, CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PENDING CONCERNING PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION.

GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.0712, CONSULTATION WITH THE ATTORNEY ON A MATTER IN WHICH THE DUTY OF THE ATTORNEY TO THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY UNDER THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT OF THE STATE BAR OF TEXAS CLEARLY CONFLICTS WITH THIS CHAPTER.

OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

IT IS NOW WE ARE RECESSING AT 6:01.

OF PARKER, TEXAS, ON SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2022.

IT IS NOW 6:26.

IS THERE ANY APPROPRIATE DELIBERATION OR ACTION ON ANY OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION SUBJECTS LISTED ABOVE? NO, MADAM MAYOR. THEN WE WILL NOW HAVE OUR PLEDGES.

I WILL ASK MR. SLAUGHTER IF HE'LL DO THE AMERICAN PLEDGE AND MR. REED IF HE WILL DO THE TEXAS PLEDGE.

THANK Y'ALL. GOT IT? YEAH. JUST DIDN'T WANT TO MOVE.

OKAY, I HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS (Part 1 of 2)]

WOULD YOU MIND, GARY, PLEASE? YEAH, I WROTE IT.

OKAY. WE WILL ALLOW HIM TO GIVE HIS COMMENT WHEN HE DOES RETURN.

SINCE THIS IS KIND OF DIFFERENT AT THIS TIME, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.

RESIDENT ANDY REDMOND SUBMITTED AN EMAIL TO US THAT YOU EACH SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF IT AND I WILL ASK PATTY TO PLEASE INCLUDE IT IN THE MINUTES OF THE RECORD FROM THIS MEETING.

OKAY. ITEMS OF INTEREST.

[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]

THE PEANUT BUTTER FOOD DRIVE IS ONGOING THROUGH THE END OF THE MONTH.

ALL THE PEANUT BUTTER IN THE WESTERN WORLD WOULD BE APPRECIATED, ALONG WITH ANYTHING ELSE, YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE FOOD BANK.

THEY ARE REALLY HOPING FOR A SUCCESSFUL DRIVE.

THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME WITH ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NEEDING HELP RIGHT NOW.

NATIONAL NIGHT OUT IS OCTOBER 4TH FROM 6 TO 9 P.M..

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE OR IF YOUR SUBDIVISION HOA WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE GIVE MICHELLE.

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OUR MR. OLSON.

OK, PARKS AND RECREATION, THEIR NEXT MEETING IS OCTOBER 12 AT 4 P.M..

THE PARKER FEST SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING IS FRIDAY AT 430.

OH, CAN'T THEY JUST CANCEL THAT AND RESET IT FOR NEXT WEDNESDAY, THE 28TH? OK NOT HERE.

NO. OKAY.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY AT NAPOLI OC OK.

EARLY VOTING BEGINS OCTOBER 24TH.

IN ORDER TO VOTE, IF YOU HAVEN'T REGISTERED, YOU HAVE TO BE REGISTERED BY THE 11TH OF OCTOBER.

I BELIEVE IT IS OC.

WE ARE EMBODYING ALL CITIZENS TO THE NATIONAL FAITH AND BLUE WEEKEND, WHICH IS SUNDAY, OCTOBER 9TH, FROM 630 TO 8:30 P.M.

AT VICTORY CHURCH, WHICH IS AT 6301 EAST PARKER.

THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN JOIN YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MEMBERS OF YOUR COMMITTEE COMMUNITY FOR A WEEKEND OF RESOLUTION AND RECONCILIATION. AND THERE'S MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS ON THE WEBSITE, ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

I WILL ALSO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON ANY OF THE CITY OF PARKER'S BOARDS OR COMMISSION, PLEASE DOWNLOAD AN APPLICATION OFF THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND APPLY.

YOUR APPLICATION WILL REMAIN GOOD FOR APPROXIMATELY ONE YEAR IF YOU'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL RIGHT THEN.

AND WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT LEAVE US DURING THE MIDDLE OF A TERMS AND WHATEVER.

SO IT'S A GOOD IDEA JUST TO GO AHEAD AND APPLY IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.

OK NATIONAL, WE'RE GETTING WHERE WE'RE MORE ON ALL THINGS THE REST OF THE MEETING. NATIONAL PRESCRIPTION DRUG TAKEBACK.

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 29, FROM 10 TO 2.

AND THE POLICE WILL BE OUT IN THE DRIVE THRUS IN FRONT OF CITY HALL OR IN FRONT OF THE POLICE STATION SO YOU CAN DROP OFF YOUR DRUGS.

THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF NOVEMBER 1ST IS CANCELED DUE TO EARLY VOTING.

AND THE HOLIDAY TREE LIGHTING IS SET FOR SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 27TH AT 2023, AND PARKER FEST IS OCTOBER 30TH FROM 3 TO 6.

DID I LEAVE ANYTHING OUT? OKAY, THEN SHOULD WE PROCEED WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA?

[CONSENT AGENDA]

CONSIDERATION AND ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2022-713 PROVIDING FOR THE MODIFICATION AND EXECUTION OF THE JAIL SERVICES CONTRACT AMENDMENT TWO BETWEEN THE CITY OF PARKER AND COLLIN COUNTY.

AND FOR CONSIDERATION AND IN THE APPROPRIATE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2022-714 DESIGNATING THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS AS THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER FOR THE CITY OF PARKER FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022- 2023. ANY THING ANYONE WANTS PULLED OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? MADAM MAYOR, I MOVED THAT WE APPROVED THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

OKAY, I'LL SECOND THAT.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY ONE OPPOSE CONSENT AGENDA PASSES FIVE ZERO.

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[7. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NO. 829 AUTHORIZING EXPENDITURES AND APPROVING AMENDMENT(S) TO THE FY 2021-2022 OPERATING BUDGET]

MR. SAVAGE, YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THIS TO US? MAYOR, COUNCIL. THIS IS A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM HERE AT THE END OF THE YEAR TO AMEND THE BUDGET FOR EXPENSES THAT WE HAD THROUGH THE YEAR.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE ARE REALLY MUCH OF A SURPRISE.

WE DISCUSSED HIRING THE ATTORNEY EARLIER IN THE YEAR.

THIS IS JUST CLEAN UP THE BUDGET PORTION OF THAT.

THE ATTORNEY'S SALARY IS DIVIDED UP IN THE WATER FUND AND THE GENERAL FUND.

SO IT'S 5050 SPLIT.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE IT IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.

WE'RE ALSO HAD A WORKERS COMP AUDIT.

THERE WERE SOME EXPENSES, PERSONAL EXPENSES THAT CAME ON THE BOOKS LAST YEAR.

THE COURT THE WORKERS COMP AUDIT WE KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO COME IS ADDING THE ADDITIONAL FIRE STAFF.

THERE'S NO PENALTY BY PAYING IT LATE, SO WE WAIT UNTIL THE AUDIT IS DONE BEFORE WE MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS.

AND ALSO AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE LEGAL LINE ITEM FOR OVERAGES THAT WE HAD IN THE LEGAL ALSO $21,000 FOR THE NEW PUMP STATION ELECTRICITY THAT CAME ON BOARD A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

AND WE HAD TO START PAYING THAT ELECTRIC BILL.

ALSO 13,000 FOR THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND FOR A NEW TAHOE THAT CAME IN EARLIER THAN ANTICIPATED.

AND THAT'S FOR THE LEASE FEES THAT WE HAD TO PAY UP UNTIL NOW AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT ADDED ON TO IT.

AND THEN THE OTHER TWO OR FOR COURT TECHNOLOGY AND CHILD SAFETY FUNDS AND OVERAGE FOR MAINTENANCE CONTRACT AND THE COURT TECHNOLOGY FUND AND SOME SSD DRIVES. THOSE ARE RESTRICTED FUNDS.

SO THERE'S NOT MUCH OF AN ISSUE THERE.

AND THEN THE CHILD SAFETY FUND IS FOR THAT SPEED TRAILER THAT WAS AUTHORIZED TO BE PURCHASED A FEW MONTHS AGO.

SO THIS IS TO TAKE CARE OF THE BUDGET PORTION FOR THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE? OKAY. WOULD YOU CLARIFY WHERE IT SHOWS LEGAL AND GENERAL BUDGET AND ALSO IN THE WATER BUDGET? CAN YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION? SURE. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE THE SALARY FOR OUR ATTORNEY IS PAID 50% BY THE GENERAL FUND, 50% BY THE WATER FUND.

OKAY. SO MR. LANSFORD ALSO DOES LEGAL SERVICES FOR OUR WATER DEPARTMENT, WHICH WOULD COME OUT OF THE WATER BUDGET? SURE. YES, MA'AM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. GRANT? GRANT..

NOT HEARING ANY, THEN I WILL CALL FOR A MOTION.

MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE 829 AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURES AND APPROVING THE AMENDMENTS TO THE FISCAL YEAR 21 TO 22 OPERATING BUDGET.

IS THERE A SECOND? MADAM MAYOR I'LL MOVE TO SECOND.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 829.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ORDINANCE NUMBER 829.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY BODY AGAINST? MOTION, ORDINANCE PASSED FIVE ZERO.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

[8. UPDATE(S):]

MR. OLSON, IF YOU WOULD, GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE FLEET.

ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

YES, MADAM MAYOR, MYSELF, FINANCE DIRECTOR SAVAGE, CHIEF BROOKS AND ASSISTANT CHIEF, I'M DRAWING BLANKS, PRICE.

WELL, I'M ON VACATION MODE.

YEAH. WE MET WITH ENTERPRISE LAST WEEK.

WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD TALK CONVERSATION WITH THEM.

WE'VE GOTTEN SOME OF THE KINKS THAT HAVE WORKED OUT.

JUST LIKE ANYTHING NEW WE'RE DOING, THERE'S GOING TO BE KINKS WITH IT, AND WE THINK WE'VE GOT PRETTY MUCH MOST OF THAT THOSE WORKED OUT AT THIS POINT.

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HOWEVER, THEY'RE ONLY PRODUCING HALF OF WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO PRODUCE AND THEY CANCELED A WHOLE BUNCH OF ORDERS AND OURS WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT GOT CANCELED.

AND THEY'RE BASICALLY LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE JUST PROVIDING TO DEALERS.

SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT RAM AND FORD FROM WHEN THEY COME OUT.

RIGHT NOW, RAMS ARE GOING FOR 50,000.

THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH ALL STABILIZING ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE THEY KNOW THERE'S A CHIP SHORTAGE AND THEY CAN ASK FOR THAT.

THEY HAD WHAT WAS IT, GRANT? THEY HAD A CHEVY OFF THE LOT, I THINK 2500, 3500.

THE DEALER WANTED $30,000 OVER MSRP JUST FOR THE CITY.

THEY WEREN'T TAKING THE GOVERNMENT CONTRACT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP EVALUATING WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO AT THIS POINT.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD AND HOPEFULLY THINGS WILL GET WE'LL GET EVERYTHING SQUARED UP EVENTUALLY.

JUST CURIOUS THAT I REMEMBER WE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WHEN THEY CAME IN AND KIND OF TOLD US ABOUT THAT.

SO I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I KNOW THERE'S DYNAMICS.

I'M INVOLVED IN THAT BUSINESS, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS AND WHAT THE OUTCOME WAS OF THAT.

WELL, WHEN THE THE MANUFACTURERS, THEY WENT OUT AND SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, THE MANUFACTURERS HAVE CUT THEIR PRODUCTIONS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PRODUCE BASED ON THOSE CHIP SHORTAGES.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

AND WHEN WE TALKED TO STEPHANIE, BASICALLY IT SOUNDED LIKE ALL OF THE PRICING IS LEVELING OUT AMONGST TRUCKS RIGHT NOW, CHEVY RAM AND FORD WITH THE PRICING.

SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE PLAY IN ANY OF THOSE AT THIS POINT.

THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT NOT JUST THE 25,000 FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS, BUT THE REPLACEMENT OF THE TIRES.

THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT EVERYTHING THAT WAS KILLED, EVERYTHING DOWN THE SCALE, EVEN IF LIKE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING GOVERNMENT AS MUCH GOVERNMENT SALES AS THEY USED TO.

LIKE ON THE TAHOE WE DID, WHICH WAS MORE OF AN EMERGENCY REPLACEMENT.

AND WE DISCUSSED THAT AT ONE POINT, I THINK.

BUT IT COST US LIKE 14 GRAND MORE THAN WE ANTICIPATED BECAUSE WE HAD TO TAKE SOMETHING OFF OF A LOT.

ARE WE WORKING WITH ENTERPRISE TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN? WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST DEALS ARE AT THIS POINT.

RIGHT NOW, SHE HAS RAMS IN FRONT OF ME THEY'RE $50,000 EACH.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO AT THIS POINT BECAUSE I JUST DON'T SEE THE MARKET BECAUSE THEY'RE I THINK THEY WERE 32 WEEKS OUT FROM DELIVERY FROM WHEN YOU PUT THE ORDER IN.

SO WHAT REMIND ME WHAT THE CHEVYS WERE THAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING.

THEY WERE DOWN INTO LIKE THE THIRTIES, 39 TO 40.

YEAH. RIGHT AT THE END, 10 TO 15000 MORE, 10 TO 15 YES.

SO BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE CHEVY HAS RAISED THEIR PRICING ON THEIRS TOO.

SO YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK GARY WHEN YOU WE JUST GOT WAS 38 2 AND THE GUY TOLD ME WHEN WE PICKED IT UP, THAT TRUCK TODAY IS 58. WELL, ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT.

AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE A LOT OF INSIGHT IN THIS BUSINESS AND I KNOW THAT AUTOMOTIVE PARTS ARE STILL IN DEMAND AND THERE ARE A LOT OF SHORTAGE KIND OF THINGS GOING ON. HOWEVER, THERE'S OTHER SECTORS IN THE SEMICONDUCTOR SPACE WHERE THERE IS NOT AS TIGHT A MARKET AS THERE USED TO BE.

AND I THINK THAT BY THE END OF THE YEAR, THERE COULD BE A DIFFERENT LANDSCAPE THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW.

SO WE WANT TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT.

IF THERE ARE, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT IF WE CAN DELAY, I THINK DELAYING THINGS WOULD BE A GOOD THING BECAUSE I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S STILL THE HOT MARKET.

YOU'RE THE TAIL END OF WHERE THERE IS A CHALLENGE.

BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THE MEMORY MARKETS, THE MICROPROCESSOR MARKETS AND SOME OF THE OTHER MARKETS HAVE KIND OF REALLY LEVELED OFF AND THE HANDSET MARKETS HAVE REALLY LEVELED OFF. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT CERTAIN FACTORIES PRODUCE THOSE CHIPS FOR THOSE APPLICATIONS.

HOWEVER, WHEN THOSE FACTORIES START GETTING UNLOADED, THEN THEY GO TO PRODUCE OTHER PRODUCTS.

SO THERE MAY BE.

LESS OF A SHORTAGE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO IF WE. MY SUGGESTION AS A COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD BE TO DELAY IT AS WELL AS FAR AS WE CAN, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP MORE.

OUR HOPE IS THEY'RE NOT.

WE THINK THE ECONOMY IS YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME ISSUES WITH THE ECONOMY COMING UP.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP AN EYE ON EVERYTHING AND JUST WORKING OUR BEST DEALS THAT WE CAN WITH THEM.

HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO TRANSITION TO THE FLEET MANAGEMENT FOR OUR CURRENTLY OWNED VEHICLES THAT WE WERE PAYING FOR? AS FAR AS GETTING THE GAS CARDS OUT TO EVERYBODY AND STARTING THE MAINTENANCE ON THE VEHICLES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THAT WE CURRENTLY OWN THAT THEY WERE TAKING OVER.

SO BASICALLY, THIS WAS A LOT OF OUR CONVERSATION THE OTHER DAY.

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BACK AGAIN, IT WAS ONLY NEW VEHICLES PURCHASED.

HOWEVER, WE'VE INCLUDED TWO VEHICLES THAT WERE UNDER 12,000 MILES INTO THAT MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.

IT MADE NO SENSE FOR US TO KEEP PAYING FOR THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR THEM JUST TO TRACK IT.

SO WE TOLD THEM, JUST DON'T TRACK THOSE VEHICLES FOR THE TIME BEING BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE SIX, EIGHT BUCKS PER VEHICLE.

SO WE SCRAPPED THAT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SERVE US ANY PURPOSE UNTIL WE GOT THE NEW VEHICLES IN.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I GUESS I'M CONFUSED.

I THOUGHT HE WASN'T SAT HERE AND TALK TO US.

HE SAID HE WOULD TAKE OVER ALL OF OUR EXISTING VEHICLES KNOWING WHAT WE HAD FOR THE 6 HOURS A MONTH.

AND WE WOULD BENEFIT FROM THE SAVINGS PROGRAM BECAUSE THAT WAS CALCULATED IN THE LITTLE ALGORITHMS. SO THAT SEEMS TO CHANGE.

WE STILL IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW WITH THEM? BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT I REMEMBER, TOO, IS I REMEMBER THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION SAYING LIKE, OKAY, YOU MIGHT HAVE THE VEHICLE FOR 12 MONTHS, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE GARY WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, THE VEHICLE MIGHT GO UP IN VALUE BY SUCH AND SUCH AN AMOUNT.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SELL THAT AND TAKE IT BACK SO THAT YOU GET THAT REVENUE AND THEN THE NEW VEHICLE IS THAT MUCH LESS AND ALL THAT.

WELL, I HAD THE SPECIFIC QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT PAYING FOR OUR EXISTING FLEET AND THEY SAID, WELL, IT WILL SAVE US.

AND IT'S CALCULATED IN THERE EVEN ON YOUR EXISTING VEHICLES THAT YOU JUST THAT YOU HAVE NOW UNTIL WE MOVE THEM OVER.

AND MY CONCERN IS, SINCE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DELAY DUE TO COST NOW, I START TO LOSE SIGHT OF THE BENEFIT.

WE'RE GOING TO KEEP HAVING THAT CONVERSATION.

I KNOW THAT WAS WAS IT MONDAY I THINK WAS WHEN WE GOT A RESPONSE BY THERE.

MONDAY, I CAN'T REMEMBER.

SO WE'RE STILL GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THOSE ISSUES.

BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, IT MADE NO SENSE FOR US TO PAY THAT.

I AGREE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR.

EXACTLY WHAT HE SOLD MIGHT HAVE BEEN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING.

I WILL I'LL EXPRESS THAT AGAIN TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES AT ENTERPRISE.

LUKE, IF WE GO AHEAD IN AND GET A VEHICLE AND IT'S AT A PREMIUM PRICE, AND THEN IN A YEAR FROM NOW WHEN WE TRADE IT IN, WE TAKE THE HIT ON THAT.

SHOULD THE PRICE OF VEHICLES DROPPED DURING THAT PERIOD OR HOW DOES THAT PROBABLY WE'D PROBABLY TAKE THE HIT ON IT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING AT THIS POINT.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE PUT OURSELVES BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL ON ANYTHING EITHER.

AT THAT POINT, BASICALLY HIS IDEA OF SELL IT IN 12 MONTHS, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN'T SELL IT IN 12 MONTHS, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING.

AND HE SAID, WELL, ENTERPRISE HAS BEEN DOING THIS LONG ENOUGH.

THEY'VE SEEN THE MARKET TRENDS AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, YEAH, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK QUITE LIKE THAT.

ARE WE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE THE VEHICLES WE NEED TO OPERATE RIGHT NOW? YES, I BELIEVE WE WILL.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT DOES OPEN UP LIKE DEFENDER THOSE MANUFACTURERS FOR US, FOR THE POLICE VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, LIKE TAHOE'S, THEY'RE KIND OF SHORT TO COME BY RIGHT NOW JUST TRYING TO FIND A NON PURSUIT RATE OF TAHOE THAT'S NOT THE HIGH COUNTRY PACKAGE APPARENTLY IS REALLY HARD BECAUSE APPARENTLY THAT'S ALL CHEVY DID WAS MAKE THEIR LUXURY LINE AND NOT SOME OF THEIR BASE MODELS.

SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND THOSE AND WE CAN'T FIND ANY OF THOSE AT THIS POINT EITHER.

WHAT ARE OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS LOOKING AT? I'M SURE THERE ARE. WE'RE ACTUALLY ALSO LOOKING AT THE FORD EXPLORER.

AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER, I THINK A JUST LIKE AN F, LIKE A F150, 4 DOOR.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THEM THAT ARE NOT ALL THOSE WOULD BE NON PURSUIT RATED.

I KNOW IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE GOVERNMENT SECTOR.

I'M JUST STRUGGLING BECAUSE THE FORD ORDERED BANK OPENED FOR MY COMPANY IN JUNE.

WE'VE ORDERED AND ALREADY HAVE SHIP DATES ON SEVERAL VEHICLES COMING IN AND I PAID MSRP BACK MY 20%, SO I GET 20% OFF MSRP FOR MY COMPANY.

I MEAN, THEY HONORED THE SAME CONTRACT I'VE HAD WITH FORD F-150 F ONE FIFTIES.

AND WE HAVE EXPLORERS TOO AT THAT OPTION, TOO.

BUT WE WOULDN'T F-150, THE F TWO 5350 MARKET OPENS UP MID-OCTOBER I THINK I THINK THAT'S WHEN THEY SAID SO WE'RE KIND OF JUST KEEPING AN EYE ON THOSE MARKETS RIGHT NOW.

WE ARE WORKING ON IT.

IT'S JUST TRYING TO WORK ALL THE KINKS OUT AT THIS POINT.

WHAT ABOUT CHARGERS AND VEHICLES THAT ARE MORE [INAUDIBLE].

I WOULD PREFER NO CHARGERS.

THAT'S JUST MY PREFERENCE.

I'M JUST SEEING WHATEVER VEHICLE YOU'LL BE FOR.

WE WILL BE REPLACING A LOT OF BRAKES.

AND I THINK THEY'RE GETTING RID OF THE CHARGER AFTER THIS YEAR ANYWAYS.

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JUST ENOUGH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE UPDATE ON ENTERPRISE? LUKE, I WILL ASK THAT YOU BE PREPARED TO UPDATE US ANY TIME THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE SITUATION.

SO WE'RE AWARE AND SO SUDDENLY GET TOLD, OKAY, WE HAVE $100,000 BILL HERE FOR.

NO, NO, NO, THAT'S NOT MY INTENTION AT ALL.

THAT'S WHY I HAVE THIS ON HERE.

OKAY. I THINK YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH ON THERE'S NO UPDATE ON THE UPDATE.

THERE'S STILL NO CONTRACTORS OUT THERE.

I WAS IN A MEETING THIS MORNING WITH THEM AND EVERYBODY'S DELAYED PUSHING OUT.

SO EVERYONE'S DELAY, RIGHT.

ANY IDEA ON HOW LONG THEY'LL BE DELAYED OR JUST DELAYS LOOKING LIKE AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR? WELL, NORTH TEXAS IS STILL TRYING TO COME IN NOVEMBER, BUT THAT'S IFFY TO FINISH.

ON COMMITTEE UPDATES.

JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, CIB COMMITTEE HAS BEEN DISSOLVED AND COMING BACK TO COUNCIL BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY ISSUES THAT REALLY ONLY COUNCIL CAN DEAL WITH THE MONEY ISSUE, DESIGNATION OF ROADS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

WE WILL BE HAVING PROBABLY A WORKSHOP ON THAT PRETTY SOON.

I THINK TERRY IS GOING TO LET ME KNOW ON THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW.

YES, I NOTICED YOU HAVE A TENTATIVELY FOR THE 18TH, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT DATE.

OKAY TO DO THAT.

IT WAS TENTATIVE BECAUSE I HADN'T TALKED TO YOU.

YES. YES, JIM AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THAT WILL WORK.

MADAM MAYOR, JUST SO I CAN CLARIFY, ALL COMMITTEES HAVE COME BACK TO COUNCIL THAT WERE NOT CREATED BY ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION, CORRECT? CORRECT. YES.

OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MONTHLY REPORTS? OKAY. THEN I WILL ACCEPT FOR THE RECORD DONATIONS FOR THE FIRE, POLICE AND CITY STAFF.

HILL AND HILL PC DONATED TEN LUNCHES FROM ABUELOS MEXICAN RESTAURANT FOR CITY EMPLOYEES VALUED AT $200.

WOO! WOO! WOO! WE THANK THEM VERY MUCH.

AT THIS TIME, ARE THERE ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS?

[9. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]

OKAY, LOOK AT THIS TIME.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE WORKSHOP ON COMP PLAN.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO COMP PLAN HAS STILL BEEN GOING.

COUNCIL MEMBER MYERS HAS AGREED TO HELP ME BEAUTIFY THE EXISTING ONE THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON.

AND I PROMISED HER I WOULD SEND IT TO HER.

I POSTED ON THAT JUST BECAUSE WE PULLED IT BACK TO COUNCIL.

AND SHE BROUGHT UP A VALID POINT AS FAR AS NOT DOING A WHOLE LOT OF RUBBER BURNING, ONLY TO HAVE THE WHOLE THING DESTROYED AND SENT BACK AND EVERYTHING STARTED OVER.

SO AS UPDATED COUNCIL, PREVIOUSLY, I HAVE STARTED TYPING OUT THE COMP PLAN.

IT IS NOT PRETTY IN ITS CURRENT FORM.

IT WAS TAKING THE EXISTING ONE FROM THE 1980S AND TRYING TO FOLLOW THE FORMAT THAT WAS RECOMMENDED IN ITS FORMAT AND GUIDES IN COUNCIL.

SO YOU GET AN IDEA OF WHAT I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING TO INPUT THE DATA IN THERE, REMOVING THINGS THAT NO LONGER APPLY TO THE CITY OF PARKER AND AGAIN SOME OF THE NEW TERMINOLOGIES.

BUT WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW ARE TWO MAJOR ISSUES THAT I HAVE NOT TYPED OUT TO SEND YET, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I WANT COUNCIL'S IDEA ON.

AND NOW THAT ALL COMMITTEES ARE BACK TO COUNCIL, WE HAVE TO DECIDE AND THEN IMPLEMENT.

HOWEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

THAT IS THE SURVEYING OF THE RESIDENCE WHICH NEEDS TO OCCUR.

I HAVE NOT GOT OUR COUNCIL YET, BUT I HAVE READ THE GUIDE.

IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE TO SURVEY THE RESIDENTS.

WE WANT TO GIVE A PRETTY DETAILED SURVEY.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO INCLUDE SURVEY DATA IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND THERE ARE SEVERAL CITIES THAT DON'T, BUT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SURVEY.

AND IN DOING SO, YOU WANT VERY POINTED QUESTIONS, VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, AND YOU WANT THE SURVEY OPEN TO AS MANY RESIDENTS AS POSSIBLE.

SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WAYS IN WHICH TO BROADCAST THAT SURVEY, WHICH I HAVE THOUGHTS ON.

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I REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS SHOULD BE A JOINT IDEA SO THAT THEY'RE NOT GUIDED FROM.

I WOULD BE CONCERNED TO WRITE THEM MYSELF BECAUSE I MAY HAVE A PRECONCEIVED NOTION THAT THE SURVEY QUESTIONS LEAN TOWARDS, WHEREAS IF ALL OF OUR MINDS GET TOGETHER CAN BE MORE BROAD. THE OTHER ONE IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, AND THAT IS COMMERCIAL ZONING.

WE HAVE THE SEGMENT OF PROPERTY IN PARKER, BUT WE ALSO HAVE LAND THAT HAS COMMERCIAL SITES AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO IN THE FUTURE.

AND I WANT TO MAKE THIS A SET UP FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE CAN REVIEW EVERY 5 TO 7 YEARS AND UPDATE.

BUT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO TURN AROUND, REWRITE AGAIN IN FIVE YEARS.

SO WE REALLY HAVE TO COME TO SOME TERMS ON WHAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE FOR THE FUTURE PARTNER AS FAR AS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND I THINK THAT'S A SENSITIVE, TOUGH TOPIC, THE ONE WE HAVE TO AGREE ON.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES INCLUDE PORTIONS OF ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT, WHICH THE IDEA WAS ORIGINALLY TO WORK WITH CIP AND COME UP WITH WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE WAS AND PUT THAT IN THERE SO THAT WE HAVE AN IDEA OF THE FUTURE AND THEN WHAT THE THRESHOLDS ARE FOR FUTURE ROAD REPAIRS.

THAT INFORMATION DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN A COMP PLAN, BUT THAT'S THE NEXT QUESTION FOR COUNCIL IS HOW THOROUGH DO WE WANT TO MAKE THIS? DO WE WANT TO MAKE THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET PAST? WHICH WAS MY PLAN IS TO GET IT AS THOROUGH AS I POSSIBLY COULD, GET IT THROUGH TO P AND Z, SEE WHAT THEY DO WITH IT.

HOPEFULLY THEY CAN MAKE SOME SUGGESTIONS TO IT THAT WE CAN THAT ARE AMENDABLE TO US, DO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND GET SOMETHING PASSED.

WE CAN ALWAYS EDIT IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FEELING IS FOR COUNCIL.

DO WE WANT TO TAKE AN EXTRA MONTH AND DO THIS TOGETHER? DO WE WANT TO PLAN A LONGER WORKSHOP AND SIT DOWN TO TURN SECTION BY SECTION? OR DOES COUNCIL WANT ME TO CONTINUE TYPING OUT SANS THE COMMERCIAL ZONING UNTIL I KNOW WHAT COUNCIL'S FLAVOR IS ON THAT AND ANY INFORMATION ON THE SURVEY UNTIL WE GET THAT INFORMATION BACK.

RIGHT NOW, I'VE BEEN BLESSED TO HAVE MAPS WHICH I'VE INCLUDED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I DID GET A COPY OF OUR ORDINANCES.

I STARTED CUTTING OUT THE SECTIONS OF THOSE THAT HAVE GOOD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND INSERTING THOSE.

EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE DONE SO FAR HAS BEEN FACTUAL DATA THAT IS, IN MY OPINION, UNDISPUTABLE, BECAUSE IT IS ALL THINGS THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM OTHER SOURCES THAT WE'VE HAD TO REFERENCE. NONE OF THE OPINIONATED ITEMS HAVE BEEN TOUCHED IN A VERY COMPREHENSIVE.

OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD? I WOULD LIKE TO COME TOGETHER AS A COUNCIL AND DETERMINE THE SURVEY QUESTIONS.

AND I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE ON TOP OF IT.

AND I THINK A WORKSHOP WOULD BE BENEFICIAL WHERE WE HAVE MORE THAN 3 MINUTES TO DISCUSS THE FUTURE ZONING, COMMERCIAL ZONING OF THE CITY OF PARKER.

I KNOW HOW MOST OF US FEEL ABOUT COMMERCIAL AND PARKER.

I DO. BUT WE DO HAVE THAT ONE SEGMENT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF PARKER FOR ETERNITY ONCE IT'S THERE, BASICALLY.

PLUS, WE HAVE ETJ, WE DON'T KNOW.

WE'RE NOT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HISTORY OR THE FUTURE IS FOR THAT AGE IF SOMEBODY EVER WANTS TO BE ANNEXED IN.

WELL, WHAT IS OUR PLAN FOR THAT? IS THAT PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL.

IF IT GETS REDEVELOPED COMMERCIAL, WHAT'S IT GOING TO BE? AND I THINK IT'S A CONVERSATION WE HAVE TO HAVE WITH THE COUNCIL TO SET THAT ROADMAP.

I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO INCLUDE OR BAN INDUSTRIAL, BECAUSE WHEN THE BUS BARN WAS GOING TO COME INTO PARKER, WE WE REALIZED THAT COULD HAVE BEEN..

AND THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION TOO, WHAT WHAT IS OUR DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND WHAT WILL WE ALLOW WHAT WILL WE NOT? WE HAVE WAREHOUSING SPACE IN PARKER THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] TERMINOLOGIES WE HERE.

WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? AND SO TO ME, IT FEELS LIKE THAT IS A MUCH MORE DETAIL IN MY IDEAS WHERE TO GET THIS KIND OF DONE.

SEND IT THRU TO P AND Z LET THEM TEAR IT APART.

THEY PROBABLY WOULD NOT EVEN LOOK OVER THE COMMERCIAL SIDE BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE IN THERE, GET IT PASSED TO THAT.

BUT WITH THE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE COMMITTEE, I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE IMPROPER.

WHEN WE CAN HAVE A WORKSHOP AND TAKE SOME TIME TO COME TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE WE'RE AS CLOSE TO AN AGREEMENT AS WE CAN BE ON WHAT COMMERCIAL LOOKS LIKE FOR PARKING.

AND THEN ALSO, LIKE I SAID, THE SURVEY QUESTIONS.

I JUST I FEEL LIKE IT'S BETTER TO HAVE ALL OF OUR MINDS TOGETHER AS OPPOSED TO BE WRITING, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL THE PROS AND CONS.

THEY NEED TO BE POINTED BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S NOT AVAILABLE DATA.

IF IT'S A WRITE YOUR ANSWER.

EVERYBODY WOULD JUST HAVE A 1% YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE OPINION OF 1% BECAUSE EVERYBODY WOULD WRITE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THEY HAVE TO BE POINTED QUESTIONS.

AND THEN I HAVE IDEAS ON HOW TO GET THOSE QUESTIONS OUT.

I WANT TO SEE HOW EVERYBODY FEELS ABOUT DOING SO.

AGAIN, COUNCILMEMBER MYERS HAS BEEN UNBELIEVABLY HELPFUL ON SOME OF THAT IDEA AND HER MARKETING BACKGROUND AND WILLINGNESS TO INCLUDE THINGS IN THE NEWSLETTER AND HELP GET

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SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE HAVE A BIT LONGER WORKSHOP.

DO YOU? OCTOBER.

I CAN DO WHATEVER COUNCIL CAN DO, BUT I THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET THIS DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER WHILE THIS IS KIND OF ON OUR MIND.

I ACTUALLY PUSH THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND I WAS EXCITED ABOUT THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE I WILL SAY WE HAVE FREE TIME BECAUSE WE DON'T, BUT WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE FREE TIME OPENING UP OVER THE NEXT MONTH AND A HALF BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO COUNCIL MEETINGS DUE TO NATIONAL LET OUT DUE TO EARLY VOTING THAT IT'S REALLY A GOOD TIME FOR US TO WORK ON THIS AND WORK TO GET THIS TOGETHER.

OKAY, CAN, JIM, I THINK YOU'RE TRAVELING AGAIN A LITTLE BIT.

CAN WE GET DATES THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE AVAILABLE? FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A WORKSHOP DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AT 7:00 ON TUESDAY NIGHT.

WE HAVE EVERYBODY IS AVAILABLE.

ANOTHER TIME DATE.

WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT HERE.

AND I TALKED TO MICHAEL OR TEXTED MICHAEL ABOUT THIS.

BUT MIKE, MY CONCERN WAS WHERE IS P AND Z IN THE PROCESS? AND ARE THEY ON BOARD WITH THE THE PROPOSED YOUR PROPOSED PLAN? BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD HATE TO DO IS HAVE A WASTE SOME TIME IN GOING DOWN ONE PATH AND THEN THEY GET A HOLD OF IT AND THEY, YOU KNOW, WRITE THEIR OWN VERSION.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT WITH P AND Z OR MAYBE HAVE A JOINT WORKSHOP WITH P&Z, BUT WE NEED TO GET THEM IN THE LOOP. NOW, WE LEARNED THIS THE HARD WAY WITH THE WITH THE CODES BECAUSE I MEAN, I, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF TIME HAS GONE BY AND YOU PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THIS.

AND I JUST THINK THAT BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, WE SHOULD BRING THEM INTO THE LOOP.

AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT AT ALL.

IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE INVITE THEM TO THE WORKSHOP THAT WE DO, AND HOPEFULLY THEY TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW UP TO BE A PART OF THAT.

I THINK THAT P&Z OPINION IS IMPORTANT.

I WILL TELL YOU AND I SAID THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES, WE'RE PARKER, WE'RE UNIQUE.

WE'RE DOING THIS VERY UNIQUE BECAUSE MOST CITIES THIS IS P&Z'S BABY.

P&Z TAKES IT, THEY DEVELOP A SUBCOMMITTEE, THEY WRITE IT, THEN COUNCIL GETS INVOLVED.

PARKER STARTED THIS LONG BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL WITH THE COUNCIL BEING INVOLVED, AND I THINK PART OF THAT IS TO MAKE SURE IT GOT DONE AND TO TRY TO PUSH THIS FORWARD.

I JUST I DON'T WANT THIS TO BECOME A HOME RULE OR EVEN A CODE OR A MAX.

AND TEN YEARS FROM NOW, HOPEFULLY I WON'T BE SITTING HERE, BUT ME SITTING OUT THERE WATCHING THIS BUILDING.

WHY IS IT STILL NOT THAT I WANT TO SEE THAT THIS GETS DONE AND I LIKE IT TO GET DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE THAT WE INVOLVE P&Z IN OUR WORKSHOP SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THEIR OPINIONS HEARD.

I'VE BEEN BLESSED BY HAVING SOME P&Z MEMBERS IN THE COMMITTEE THROUGHOUT THE TIME OR SPOUSES OF P&Z MEMBERS.

I'VE HAD COMMENTS FROM P&Z MEMBERS DURING THE COURSE OF IT, NOT IN THEIR ROLES BUT AS RESIDENTS.

SO I TRIED TO INCORPORATE THAT.

BUT AGAIN, WHAT'S BEEN WRITTEN TO DATE IS NOT OPINIONATED, IT IS FACT.

SO THEY MAY DISAGREE WITH THE LAST CENSUS THAT WE HAD IN OUR CENSUS COUNT, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE OF THE FACT AND WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I TRIED TO KEEP SOME OF THAT FLUFF OUT OF HERE IS BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT [INAUDIBLE] THIS BEAUTIFUL LITTLE TOWN IN SOME OF THIS, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE HIGHLY RECOMMENDED TO HAVE SOME P&Z INPUT ON.

P AND Z NORMALLY MEETS ON THE FIRST AND THIRD THURSDAY, I THINK IT IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

MAYBE IF WE COULD MEET ON ONE OF THEIR NORMAL NIGHTS, THEY WOULD BE MORE AVAILABLE TO MEET WITH US IS IN A WORKSHOP.

I DON'T MEAN IN A COUNCIL MEETING.

I MEAN I'M THROWING OUT IDEAS WHAT WE GOT.

I'M JUST GOING TO THROW THIS OUT THERE.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORKSHOP ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON.

MAYBE WE JUST TAKE A FULL DAY AND GO THROUGH ALL THAT AND JUST TALK IT ALL OUT IN ONE DAY.

IS THAT SOMETHING COUNCIL WOULD? MY ONLY CONCERN IS WE'RE HUMAN.

WE BURN OUT AFTER A WHILE.

WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT JUMPING TOPIC TO TOPIC, WE'LL MAKE IT FUN, ETC.

WE WILL MAKE IT FUN.

[00:40:02]

I WOULD JUST NOT WANT THIS TO GET OVERSHADOWED AND I ALSO WOULD NOT WANT IT TO GET THE ATTENTION THAT IT DESERVES BECAUSE THIS IS A ROAD MAP FOR PARKER.

WE'RE WE'RE MUCH DIFFERENT NOW THAN WE WERE IN THE 1980S.

EVEN IN THE [INAUDIBLE] ZONING ORDINANCE OF 2000, THE CITY HAS CHANGED, EVEN FROM [INAUDIBLE] AN ORDINANCE THAT WE'VE HAD IN 2016.

I THINK IT WAS THE CITY HAS CHANGED AND I JUST WOULD LIKE THIS AS A GUIDE.

WE DISCUSSED DURING CODES.

COUNCILMEMBER MEYER BROUGHT IT UP THAT WE WANTED OUR CODES TO BE SUCH THAT FUTURE COUNCILS DIDN'T MESS IT UP.

I GUESS THEY HAD. I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TERMINOLOGY, BUT BASICALLY WE DIDN'T GO OUTSIDE OF IT.

THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT GIVES THEM THAT ROAD MAP TO GO.

THIS IS WHAT THE RESIDENTS THIS IS WHAT THIS IS WHAT WE WANT THE CITY OF PARKER TO LOOK LIKE.

SO DON'T MESS IT UP.

FOLLOW THIS. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT GETS THAT.

BUT I AM PERFECTLY FINE, INCLUDING THAT I DO FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD BE A VERY LARGE TOPIC BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A ROBUST DOCUMENT.

AND PART OF ACTUALLY WHAT COUNCILMEMBER MYERS IN OUR LAST MEETING, BECAUSE IT WAS JUST HER AND COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH THAT SHOWED UP AND I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT.

ONE THING THAT BOTH OF THEM BROUGHT THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING IS TO WORK THIS OUT TO WHERE WE TRY TO LIMIT THE INFORMATION IN THERE, NOT TO LIMIT ITS SUBSTANCE, BUT TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PAGES SO THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME A DOCUMENT THAT NOBODY WANTS TO READ.

MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT IS AN EASY READ AND EASY TO FIND.

IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? MY ONLY RESPONSE TO THAT IS A FULL DAY WITH MY BUSINESS SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW IS WE JUST HAVE TO SCHEDULE IT BECAUSE FOR ME TO BLOCK A WHOLE DAY OUT RIGHT NOW IS, IS TOUGH.

SO FOR ME, IT'S BETTER AND LATER IN THE AFTERNOON, I CAN I CAN KIND OF SWING DOWN AND BREAK AWAY AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE.

FOR ME PERSONALLY, I'M ONLY ONE PERSON ON THE COUNCIL AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT FOR ME, I'M GOING TO BE DISTRACTED ALL THE TIME BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE HAVING TO HANDLE BUSINESS CALLS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF IN BETWEEN.

SO JUST KNOW THAT IF WE DO IT FOR ALL DAY.

YEAH, IF EVERYBODY COULD SEND TO LUKE OR OR TO PATTY, I FORGOT YOU WEREN'T GOING TO BE HERE.

WHAT DAYS? YOU'RE AVAILABLE ALL DAY, BASICALLY.

AND ANOTHER WHAT ARE YOUR AVAILABILITY FOR, SAY, HALF A DAY, DAY GOING INTO EVENING? PUT SOME OPTIONS DOWN SO WE CAN SEE WHAT WILL WORK BEST FOR EVERYBODY.

AND THEN WE CAN GET WITH P AND Z AND SEE IF WHAT WILL WORK WITH THEM AND IF Y'ALL CAN DO THAT.

AND THEN, PATTY, IF YOU WOULD LET US KNOW, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

WOULD Y'ALL WANT ME TO SEND OUT P&Z DATES COMING UP LIKE BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR SO YOU CAN SEE IF ANY OF THOSE DATES MATCH UP..

THAT WOULD HELP.

ONLY PROBLEM IS I CAN'T DO THURSDAYS UNLESS IT SORT OF.

AND I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR LUKE, HE'S GOT EXPERIENCE IN REWRITING COMP PLANS, SO HAVING HIS INSIGHT IS IMPORTANT.

I'M SORRY. IT'S JUST.

YEAH, I JUST CAME UP WITH THURSDAY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY MEANT.

BUT WE COULD. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT BUT AND I THINK WE HAVE TO INVITE P&Z AND HOPEFULLY THEY COME IF THEY DON'T WE TRIED.

WELL OR WE CAN MAKE SURE WE CUT IT OFF BY 3:30 IF WE START, YOU KNOW, 9:00 IN THE MORNING, I KNOW THAT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR DIANA, BUT WE'LL JUST HAVE TO.

WELL, I THINK YOUR IDEA OF MAYBE INSTEAD OF MAKING IT'S GOING TO BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR ME THIS TOPIC.

YES, FOR THAT. AND I THINK IT'LL GIVE YOU DO YOU JUSTICE AS WELL, BECAUSE IT'LL GIVE YOU JUST SOLE ATTENTION TO THAT SPECIFIC TOPIC VERSUS JUMPING AROUND AND ALLOWS ALL OF US TO FOCUS ON STRICTLY THAT.

OKAY. WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME PROBABLY NOT VERY PRODUCTIVE ON SENDING THOSE P&Z DAYS OUT BECAUSE OF THE THURSDAYS.

AND I'LL JUST TAKE IN WHATEVER DATES THEY GIVE AND KIND OF COMPILE THEM AND SEE WHERE THINGS FALL.

THEY MEET IN THE EVENINGS, RIGHT.

YES. SO IF WE DID LIKE MAYBE 2 HOURS BEFORE THAT, IS THAT IT CAN'T BE HERE ON TUESDAY.

THERE'S NO ON THURSDAY.

AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THERE'S NO REASON TO SEND OUT THOSE DATES, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE THURSDAY AT SEVEN, WHICH SHE NEEDS TO LEAVE.

SO I'LL NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE DATES THAT Y'ALL HAVEN'T MISSED A PLANNED MEETING YET.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM COUNCIL GO TO A PNZ MEETING PRESENT WHAT YOUR SUGGESTION WAS AND SEE IF THEY AGREE OR IF THEY HAVE A BETTER IDEA.

GET THEIR BUY IN FROM THE FROM THE START RATHER THAN US WORKING ON SOMETHING.

[00:45:05]

MY OPINION. WELL, THE NICE THING IS COUNCILMAN SLAUGHTER HAS TYPED IT ALL OUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A WORD DOCUMENT OF IT BEFORE BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS TYPEWRITER.

SO WE DO HAVE AT LEAST HAVE A WORKING DOCUMENT NOW SO THAT WE CAN EDIT THOSE.

SO THAT IS A POSITIVE THAT THINKING COUNCIL MEMBER SLAUGHTER FOR ALL THAT.

OKAY.

AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF US HAS OR HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS, BUT WE SHOULD BE GOING OUT AND LOOKING AT EXAMPLES OF OTHER CITIES COMPREHENSIVE PLANS BECAUSE THAT'S VERY TELLING, VERY HELPFUL, TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS DONE 30, 40 YEARS AGO.

AND I CAN TELL YOU ALSO THAT I HAVE BECAUSE I DID I PULLED THEM ALL.

I HAVE THEM IN A FOLDER SO I CAN VERY EASILY SEND THOSE TO [INAUDIBLE] YOU SHARE OUT, SO COUNCIL CAN SEE I THINK I HAVE ALLEN, PLANO.

PRIOR TO THE UPDATE OF PLANO'S NEW ONE AND THE PROCESS, WHICH WAS VERY INTERESTING AND CORRECT FORMATTING AND IDEA.

OK DID YOU OR CINDY OR BOTH OF YOU WANT TO GO TO P AND Z TO INVITE THEM? I'M HAPPY TO [INAUDIBLE] OR I'LL GO.

IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER.

TALK TO PATTY ABOUT THAT.

AND I JUST TALKED TO GARY EARLIER ABOUT THE MEETING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS THURSDAY, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ITEM WHEN I TALKED TO HIM MONDAY.

SO WE CANCELED THAT MEETING.

BUT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING COMING UP ANYTIME SOON.

BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU DID.

SO THAT'S MY CONCERN.

WELL, I WILL GET BACK WITH YOU ON THE UPCOMING DATES THAT THEY NORMALLY DO.

IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, IT CAN BE ALL ABOUT YOU.

SOME OF THIS WITH THE WORKSHOP FOR US BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SLOW THAT PROCESS DOWN AND I DON'T WANT TO STEAMROLL OVER P&Z OBLIGATIONS OR THEIR RIGHTS ON THIS EITHER.

BUT AGAIN, A LOT OF THOSE THINGS ARE NON-DISPUTABLE ITEMS NOT OPINIONATED.

IT'S THE CODE THAT WE'VE ALREADY HASHED OUT IN THE PAST.

IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND THERE IS SOMETHING I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE A SAY IN A SURVEY.

I DON'T KNOW.

YOU CAN'T HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE WRITING SURVEY QUESTIONS, SO BUT I WILL GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE THE TIME TO MEET WITH THEM AS WELL.

AND WE ARE ALSO LOOKING FOR A TIME FOR US.

DO WE HAVE ANY GO BYS OF OTHER CITY SURVEYS THAT I WILL.

I HAVE SOME, YEAH.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL.

I HAVE THE SURVEY RESULTS.

NOT EVERYBODY PUBLISHES THEM, WHICH IS WHAT CAUSED ME TO LOOK INTO WHY DOES IT SAY I HAVE TO DO ONE IF WE DON'T HAVE TO USE IT? BUT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE DELIBERATION OF THE OPINIONATED ITEMS IN THERE AND FUTURE OF FUTURE LAND USE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO HELP TO DRAFT.

I NOTICED I WAS LOOKING FOR SURVEYS ALSO FROM OTHER CITIES AND THERE WAS ONE CITY THAT HANDLED THEIR SURVEY.

I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO CONSIDER.

THEY HAD THE SURVEYS PUT ON VARIOUS COMPUTERS AND THEY INVITED THE PEOPLE INTO CITY HALL, YOU KNOW, AT A CERTAIN TIME, LIKE MAYBE COOKIES WITH THE COUNCIL THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN, TAKE THE SURVEY AND MAYBE WOULD GET MORE, BETTER RESPONSE THAN PUTTING IT IN THE MAIL OR SURVEY.

WE DO COOKING WITH COUNCIL.

NOW THAT WOULD BE A REASON TO COME IN AND OR EVEN MAYBE WITH EARLY VOTING AND STUFF IF THEY'RE COMING IN ALL READY TO VOTE.

[00:50:02]

BUT IT'S ALSO A GREAT IDEA TO BE HAVE A.

ESPECIALLY THIS NOVEMBER, I'M GOING TO TAKE SOME OF THESE AND PROBABLY SET UP EVENTUALLY TO BE WATCHED SO THEY DON'T WALK AWAY.

AND THEN THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

I MEAN, IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR YOU.

NO. IF YOU WILL SEND YOUR AVAILABILITY TO PATTI.

WE WILL SEE IF WE CAN'T GET A WORKSHOP SET UP AND GO FROM THERE.

NOPE. STILL CAN'T GO BACK.

YOU CAN GO BACK NOW. OH, WE CAN'T.

THAT CLOCK IS WRONG.

I APOLOGIZE FOR GOING OVER MY 7 MINUTES.

OKAY, WELL, THE CLOCK OVER HERE SAYS IT'S 6:16, AND I WAS THINKING THAT WE WERE DOING GREAT ON.

WE ARE GOING BACK TO FIRST WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT FROM MR.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS (Part 2 of 2)]

MY NAME IS MANZOOR HUSSEIN.

FOR THE PURPOSE OF MEETING EACH OTHER, SYED WOULD BE GOOD.

I LIVE IN MCCREADY CREEK.

PARKER, TEXAS.

IT'S. AND AT THE MOMENT, I'M THE HOA PRESIDENT ALSO.

JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND OF MYSELF.

I'VE WORKED WITH BP FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS IN OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY, SO SAFETY HAS BEEN LIKE A BIG CONCERN AND HANDLING OF THESE THINGS.

WHEN I LOOK AT MY STREET, THERE ARE TWO STREETS FORESTBEND AND MEADOWGLEN AND I STARTED COMPARING THEM WITH THE OTHER TWO SISTER KIND OF COMMUNITIES. AND I SEE THAT OUR STREETS ARE 24 FEET WIDE, WHILE OTHERS ARE LIKE 28 TO 32 FEET WIDE.

AND OURS ARE VERY CURVY.

THEY CURVE AROUND AND THEY HAVE MAIL BOXES SITTING RIGHT AT THE EDGE.

THEN IN THE EVENT, WHEN THE TRASH IS PICKED UP, THE TRASH CANS ALSO SIT ON THE ROAD BECAUSE THERE'S NO NOTHING ELSE.

THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS, THERE'S NO CURBS, NOTHING.

SO THEY SIT ON THE SIDEWALK AND THEN DOUBLE PARKING MAKES IT WORSE.

AND OUR REQUEST AND SOME OF US HAVE BEEN STARTED DISCUSSING IT AND WE THOUGHT, WE'LL BRING IT UP FIRST HERE AND THEN SEE WHAT ELSE WE NEED TO DO TO BRING THE ALARM HERE.

THERE IS NO CENTRAL LINE IDENTIFIED IN THE NIGHT.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO IDENTIFY THE EDGES BECAUSE IF YOU NOTICE IN PARKER WE DON'T HAVE CURVES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE REASON THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS.

THE BUILDERS ARE NOT ASKED TO DO THAT.

IN WILEY AND EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY, SIDEWALKS ARE THERE.

THERE ARE CURBS ON THE STREETS SO THAT THE ROADS ARE VERY WELL IDENTIFIED.

SO THAT ACTUALLY WHEN YOU PUT IT TOGETHER WITH ALL THE THINGS, ESPECIALLY IN THE NIGHT, IT BECOMES LIKE A NIGHTMARE TO DRIVE.

AND YES, I KNOW WE HAVE TO BE VERY GOOD.

I BOUGHT A NEW CAR JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE'S MORE LIGHT ON IT.

AND I MADE A VIDEO LAST NIGHT AND IN THE NIGHT AND THE DAYTIME.

BUT THE CURVES AND ALL ARE SURPRISING.

PLUS, PEOPLE WALK ON THE STREET BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALK IN THE NIGHT ALSO, YOU KNOW.

SO MY REQUEST WAS WE TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT IT.

IT'S NOT A VERY EXPENSIVE OPTION TO DO.

WE MIGHT NEED SOME MIDDLE MARKERS THAT CAN BE SPOTTED OR SOME PAINT ON THE EDGE OF THE ROAD.

BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THESE STREETS, WE CAN'T TOUCH IT, CITY IS WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.

AND SO THAT IS REALLY THE REQUEST HERE.

I CAN PUT UP A GOOD PRESENTATION IF YOU WANT TO CONVINCE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER AND SEE HOW THAT IS.

I'M NOT ASKING SOMETHING OUT OF THE BOOK.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RESPOND.

SURE. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT WAS MY FIRST GO AT IT.

IF YOU GUYS WANT, I CAN SEND IN A MAIL, SOME MORE DETAILS ON IT WITH SOME MORE STATISTICS OF WHAT IT IS.

YES, THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF ACCIDENTS, BUT NOBODY REPORTS IT.

I'VE SEEN MYSELF PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO AVOID THE OTHER CAR AND THEY'VE HIDDEN TO THE SIDE AND BROKEN THEIR SIDE MIRRORS.

THEY'VE MY DAUGHTER'S HOUSE.

THEY BROKE THE MAILBOX.

[00:55:02]

WE FIXED IT. WE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO FIND OUT WHO DID IT, WHY THEY DID IT.

SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS, PEOPLE DON'T REPORT IT.

SO WE I'M HERE NOT WE'RE NOT WAITING FOR A BIG ACCIDENT TO HAPPEN.

AND THEN WE START SHOUTING AND SAY, OH, CITY, DO SOMETHING FOR US.

THAT'S THE REQUEST. THANK YOU.

OKAY, THAT'S.

AND NOW WE'RE GOING BACK TO ITEM FIVE.

[5. LOVEJOY NEW VENTURE LLC PERMANENT ZONING]

AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SOMEBODY WILL HAVE TO TELL ME WHAT TIME IT IS, BECAUSE AT 7:21, 7:21, THAT'S AN HOUR OFF.

IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE LOVEJOY NEW VENTURE LLC? OH, COME ON, OK NOT HEARING ANYBODY.

I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:22.

OKAY. NOW WE WILL GO TO ITEM B ON NUMBER FIVE CONSIDERATION AND ON ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 825, REGARDING THE LOVEJOY NEW VENTURE LLC, PERMANENT ZONING ON APPROXIMATELY 14.926 ACRES OF LAND IN THE CITY OF PARKER, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE RICHARD SPARK SURVEY.

ABSTRACT NUMBER 850 TRACKS ONE THROUGH FOUR COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS.

TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SL OK COUNCILORS.

DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? ANY COMMENTS? IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 825 REGARDING THE LOVEJOY NEW VENTURE LLC PERMANENT ZONING ON APPROXIMATELY 14.926 ACRES OF LAND IN THE CITY OF PARKER, TEXAS, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE RICHARD SPARKS SURVEY.

ABSTRACT NUMBER 850 TRACKS ONE THROUGH FOUR COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

OH, ISN'T THAT NICE? VERY NICE. WE APPRECIATE THAT.

MADAM MAYOR, I SECOND THAT.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 8 TO 5.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY.

I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ORDINANCE NUMBER 825.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY AGAINST MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

THANK YOU. NEXT,

[6. CITY MAPS: (I) THE ANNEXATION/BOUNDARY MAP, (II) THE ZONING MAP, AND (III) THE THOROUGHFARE MAP UPDATE]

WE'RE GOING TO GO BY EACH MAP SEPARATELY FOR THE CONSIDERATION.

YOU'LL DO EACH SEPARATELY, BUT YOU CAN CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ALL OF THEM TOGETHER.

OK. WE WILL NOW HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ANNEXATION BOUNDARY MAP, THE ZONING MAP AND THE THOROUGHFARE MAP.

WE ARE OPENING AT 7:24 OK.

ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE MAPS? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.

CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:24 ON THE MAPS.

OKAY. NOW EACH ONE SEPARATELY.

YES. YES. MADAM MAYOR, OK CONSIDERATION AND OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 826.

UPDATING THE ANNEX BOUNDARY MAP.

COUNCIL. ANY COMMENTS? OH, YEAH.

WE'LL SAY WE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THAT NORTHERN BOUNDARY LINE.

I THINK THAT WAS TWO MONTHS OF WORK TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ORDNANCES AND EVERYTHING BETWEEN US AND LUCAS.

[01:00:02]

I THINK Y'ALL DID A GREAT JOB RIGHT HERE.

THIS ONE SECTION RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE.

I WILL SAY THERE WAS A THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE.

AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS, ACTUALLY.

THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS I THOUGHT IT WAS MEAN THAT YOU PUT A BUNCH OF COLORS THAT DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING BECAUSE I SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I WAS MISSING, ONLY TO REALIZE THAT THOSE WEREN'T FOR ANYTHING.

THOSE WERE JUST DEMARCATION DEMARCATIONS.

I GET THAT. BUT SOME OF THE COLORS MATTERED.

BUT THE OTHER COLORS DIDN'T MATTER.

ONLY IN THE ZONE. I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ME THAT WAS HAVING A HARD TIME WITH.

WHY GREEN ON THE LEGEND DOWN THERE? DID YOU ZONE THE POTHOLES THAT BELONG TO LUCAS VERSUS PARKER ON LEWIS LANE? BECAUSE I KNOW WE GET HALF AND THEY GET HALF.

THIS IS THE ANNEXATION.

SO THERE'S. YEAH, THERE IS SOME HERE.

I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED, AS YOU CAN SEE, IF I CAN PULL IT UP.

I WAS LIKE HOW THEY WERE LIKE THIS? THIS HALF OF THE POTHOLE IS OURS BECAUSE IT'S A NEAR ZONE.

HERE IS LIKE THE DIVIDING LINES.

WE GOT THE ORDINANCES AND EVERYTHING ON THERE NOW SO EVERYONE KNOWS AND WE HAVE A WHOLE BOOK WITH ALL THE STUFF IN IT NOW TOO, SO WE CAN REFERENCE IT. VERY GOOD.

BUT SEE THAT PURPLE OVER THERE DOES MATTER BECAUSE THAT'S 62 VERSUS THE ORIGINAL STRAIGHT LINES THAT MATTER.

SOMETHING DIFFERENT RIGHT THERE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL.

CORRECT. YEAH.

THIS IS ON THE ANNEXATION, NOT THE ZONING.

SO IT WASN'T JUST THE ZONE. YES.

IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING, THOUGH.

LUKE, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, BECAUSE THE WAY TO GO.

NO, THIS WAS GARY, TREY AND JOHN.

WE'VE ALL DONE GREAT JOB.

I THINK WHEN YOU PRESENTED IT, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT AT THE CLUB PLANNING MEETING AND THERE WERE TWO SMALL CHANGES THAT WERE NOTICED AND THOSE WERE FIXED VERY QUICKLY AND THEY WERE VERY MINOR. AND I THANK YOU FOR GETTING THESE DONE BECAUSE THIS IS A HUGE PART OF THE FUTURE OF PARKER.

THE OTHER COMMENTS.

THE ONLY THING AND I MENTIONED IT TO LUKE A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, THAT THE LABELS AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE, BUT CURTIS IS IN THE WRONG SLIGHTLY IN THE WRONG SPOT.

IT WAS JUST THE WAY THE BOX WAS PUT IN THERE.

IT THEY ENTERED DOWN INSTEAD OF PULLED IT UP.

THAT'S. THAT'S JUST A CLERICAL ERROR.

YEAH, IT'S OVER HERE. OH, YEAH, RIGHT HERE.

IT'S BOTH. THEY JUST HIT ENTER TOO MANY TIMES AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE RIGHT HERE.

NO. YEAH, RIGHT THERE TO THE LEFT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

YEAH. THAT'S CURTIS. YEAH, BUT WE'LL GET IT DONE.

GET THAT FIXED. YEAH, YEAH, SURE.

YES. THAT WAS JUST A CLERICAL ERROR THERE.

WE DON'T NEED TO BRING THIS BACK TO.

ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO.

ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THE CHANGE ON THERE? YEAH, WE'LL MAKE THE CHANGE THEN.

JUST A OF COUNCIL.

COUNCIL WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE MAP AS AMENDED AND MOVE TO THE CORRECT TO THE CORRECT LOCATION.

AND THEN THEN IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK.

THEN, MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE ANNEXATION BOUNDARY MAP WITH THE CHANGE OF CURTIS ROAD TO ITS PROPER LOCATION.

I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 826 APPROVING THE ANNEXATION BOUNDARY MAPS AND CHANGING CURTIS ROAD TO ITS CORRECT POSITION.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ORDINANCE NUMBER 826 WITH THE ADDENDUM THAT WE WILL CHANGE CURTIS ROAD TO ITS PROPER LOCATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY OPPOSED? OK, MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO, OK.

NOW WE WILL GO TO CONSIDERATION AND OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 827, UPDATING THE ZONING MAP.

NOW, MAYOR, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING HERE, KIND OF TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE MAP.

WE'LL NEED TO DO THIS ONE, KIND OF LIKE WE JUST DID, THE ONE FOR THE ANNEXATION WITH AN AMENDMENT BY COUNCIL WHERE LUKE IS POINTING WITH THE CURSOR THERE.

THAT IS THE PROPERTY THAT YOU ALL JUST VOTED TO ZONE PERMANENTLY AS SINGLE FAMILY.

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WE WENT AHEAD AND WE HAD MR. BIRKHOFF HIGHLIGHT THAT JUST SO WE COULD SHOW IT IN THE MEETING TONIGHT.

BUT THIS MAP ALSO REQUIRES THAT WE PUT AN ORDNANCE REFERENCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AND WE DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS PROPER TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT ON THERE IF Y'ALL HADN'T PASSED ANYTHING YET. SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS MAP WITH THE AMENDMENT OF ADDING THE ZONING FOR THE LOVEJOY PROPERTY THAT YOU JUST PASSED.

AND THAT WAY WE CAN UPDATE THAT BEFORE IT GETS SIGNED BY THE MAYOR WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR THAT SINGLE ONE REZONING.

ANY DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL.

IF NOT, I WOULD ACCEPT A MOTION.

MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 827, UPDATING THE ZONING MAP WITH A CHANGE TO ADD IN ORDINANCE NUMBER 825 FOR THE AREA THAT WE JUST APPROVED TONIGHT.

IS THERE A..

I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM SLAUGHTER IN A SECOND BUT COUNCIL MEMBER REED TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 827 WITH ADDING IN THE LOVEJOY PROPERTY THAT WE APPROVED TONIGHT UNDER ORDINANCE NUMBER 825.

DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY, THEN IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

OKAY. NOW WE'LL GO TO D, CONSIDERATION AND APPROPRIATE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 828 UPDATING THE THOROUGHFARE MAP.

COUNCIL IS THERE ANY COMMENTS? ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE NORTHERN LUCAS ROAD.

IT IS SHOWING IN THE MAP AS A 6 LANE ROAD.

AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS ROAD BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT.

AND LUCAS SHOWS THIS AS A FOUR LANE ROAD, AND IT'S NOT OUR ROAD.

SO I'M CONCERNED WITH US IDENTIFYING IT ON OUR THOROUGHFARE MAP AS A 6 LANE ROAD AND WONDERING WHAT IMPACT THAT COULD HAVE WITH TXDOT YET POSSIBLE, IS IT POSSIBLE SINCE IT'S NOT OUR ROADS TO TAKE IT OFF OR SHOW IT WITH A HIGHLIGHTED LINE OR SOMETHING TO INDICATE THAT IT'S NOT? OK IS THAT A COUNTY ROAD THAT IS A COUNTY ROAD? I BELIEVE STILL GARY IS, YES.

I THINK IT'S I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD LEGALLY WHAT WOULD THAT BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE TODAY IS THIS THIS GOT BROUGHT UP EARLIER TO US.

WHAT WE DID IS WE RESEARCHED THIS.

THE COUNTY HAS THIS ON THEIR THOROUGHFARE MAP, LIKE BETHANY LUCAS ROAD, ALL OF THAT.

THAT REQUIRES A 120 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.

THE ONLY THING WE HAVE IN OUR CLASSIFICATION FOR 120 FOOT IS THE SIX LANE DIVIDED WITHIN OUR CODES.

NOW, WHEN WE PULL UP THE COUNTY'S CLARIFICATIONS ON IT, IT'S UP TO THE MUNICIPALITIES WHERE THEY CAN HAVE A FOUR OR SIX.

YOU KNOW, THEY JUST HAVE TO CLASSIFY IT WITHIN THOSE REASONS.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I BELIEVE WE SHOULD KEEP IT ON THERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST MAXIMUM.

IF WE BUILD OUT HUNDREDS OF YEARS, LIKE 100 YEARS FROM NOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IT ON A THOROUGH PAYMENT PLAN THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY NEEDS TO BE RESERVED.

EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE RESERVED WITHIN THOSE AREAS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS DONE PROPERLY IS WHAT REALLY THIS MAP IS DOING FOR US.

BUT I HAVE A COMMENT THAT COULD COULD WE NOT SOMEHOW PUT A NOTE ON THERE THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE IT LABELED AS A SIX LANE HIGHWAY, THAT'S BASICALLY NOTED AS A SIX LANE HIGHWAY BECAUSE OF RIGHT OF WAY AS A NOTE.

SO THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, MAYBE THEN THERE WAS A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY.

WELL, I THINK I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE KEY.

THAT'S IF YOU GO DOWN THAT PAGE.

YEAH, 120 FOOT RIGHT AWAY IS MARKED THERE.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE HAVE WITHIN OUR CODE THAT REQUIRES THE 120 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY IS THE SIX LANE DIVIDE.

YEAH. SO THAT IMPLIES IT'S OUR ROAD, BUT WE'RE JUST MARKING IT ON OUR MAP, YOU KNOW, FUTURE

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YES, OUR AREA IS THAT KIND OF THE THEORY.

IT JUST IT'S NOT OWNERSHIP.

IT'S JUST THIS IS HOW OUR PEOPLE GET THROUGH.

YES, YES.

CAN I ASK PLEASE HELP KEEP THAT FROM GETTING TO BE, AT LEAST IN MY LIFETIME, A SIX LANE THOROUGHFARE.

BECAUSE WE YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING DILLEHAY.

I KNOW WE'RE THIS IS ON THE COUNTY THOROUGHFARE MAP.

WE'VE JUST ALSO PUT IT ON OURS FOR THOSE RECORD KEEPING PURPOSES.

SO IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD, WE CAN STILL GET COUNTY FUNDING FROM THEM TO HELP OUT WITH ALLEVIATE THOSE COSTS ON THOSE ROADWAYS, TOO.

SO I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO HOW IT'S IT'S SHOWN.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE THOROUGHFARE MAP.

I HAVE A QUESTION IN LUKE AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY THE THE OLD DILLEHAY WHERE IT CONNECTS TO PARKER ROAD, THE BLUE LINE, COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH HAD MENTIONED THIS AT SOME POINT, TOO.

IT SHOWS IT AS A DIVIDED ROAD.

AND I DON'T KNOW THE REASON WHY THAT WAS STIPULATED AS A DIVIDED ROAD, BUT TO ME IT'S JUST EXTRA EXPENSE FOR MAINTAINING ANOTHER MEDIAN, IF THERE IS ONE.

WELL, WITH DIVIDED, THERE'S DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

YOU CAN DO STAMPED CONCRETE.

YOU CAN JUST DO CONCRETE, YOU CAN PUT GRASS IN.

YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT SECTION, THOUGH, I WOULD PROBABLY JUST DO LIKE A STAMP CONCRETE AS THE DIVIDE.

IT'S MORE FOR SAFETY ISSUE IN THAT AREA IS WHAT IT WOULD BE WHAT IT WOULD DETAIL ALL TWO.

BUT AGAIN, THAT IS A STATE HIGHWAY AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT IT UNTIL THEY EITHER BRING IT TO THAT STANDARD OR WE JUST DON'T ACCEPT IT AT ALL UNTIL IT'S BROUGHT UP TO CODE.

WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T ACCEPT IT AT ALL? IT'S STILL THE STATE'S.

IT STILL BELONGS TO THE STATE.

WE DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.

SO THE OTHER THING IS WITH ALL THE TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE IN THAT AREA WITH THE 18 WHEELERS OVERNIGHT PARKING. THAT'S BEEN AN EXPENSIVE ROAD TO MAINTAIN OVER TIME.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE WE MAKE IT MAJOR DECISIONS ON IT.

YEAH. THOSE OPTIONS WILL BE GIVEN TO COUNCIL AT THOSE TIME, AT THAT TIME.

AND WE DID TAKE THE ROAD OUT GOING THROUGH HOUSES AND I'M DRAWING BLANKS TONIGHT. NO, NOT MILES BRIDGES.

BROOKS FARM. YES.

WE TOOK THE ROAD GOING OUT OF BROOKS FARM AND..

CHURCH LANE TOO. AND CHURCH LANE? YES. OKAY.

AND GREGORY AND GREG.

YEAH. VERY IMPORTANT.

OKAY. MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 829 AUTHORIZING THE 828, UPDATING THE THOROUGHFARE MAP UPDATE.

I'LL SECOND THAT, MADAM MAYOR.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH AND A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM SLAUGHTER TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 828.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY.

I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

HEARING NONE, MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

THANK YOU, OK.

[10. COMP PLAN COMMITTEE - SURVEY AND COMMERCIAL ZONING DUBLIN ROAD SAFETY ISSUES]

WORK SESSION.

TO THE DUBLIN ROAD WORKSHOP.

OKAY. PARDON? JUST TRYING TO GET THERE.

OH, YOU'RE DOING OKAY.

SOME OF DUBLIN ROAD, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT ROAD FOR A LONG TIME.

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AND I ASKED THE POLICE CHIEF TO PLEASE BRING UP TO THE MEETING TONIGHT IF I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAS IT OR YOU HAVE IT.

THE NUMBER OF WRECKS THAT HAVE OCCURRED BASICALLY AT THE TWO S CURVES AT THE THE SOUTHERN ONE, WHICH IS BY EDGEWATER AND THE NORTHERN ONE, WHICH IS BY THE SHAY'S PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW, 2900, 3000 IN DUBLIN? YES, MADAM MAYOR, BASICALLY, I BELIEVE WE HAVE 32 ON HERE.

I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE ENTRANCE KEYPAD.

WHAT THAT IS. THAT CALL WAS ON.

SO IT MIGHT BE 31 SINCE 2018 TO KEYPAD ENTRY.

SO THERE WAS 32 JUST ON THE S CURVES ON DUBLIN ROAD SINCE 2018.

SO I'M JUST BEING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE IS THAT REALIZE THERE'S AN S-CURVE THERE AND IT REALLY IS THIS ROAD ENHANCEMENT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THERE. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER ON.

BUT I MEAN, IT IS SPEEDING BECAUSE I MEAN, THE REASON WHY PEOPLE HAVE AN ACCIDENT GOING THROUGH THERE, I THINK, IS THAT IT'S STRAIGHT BEFORE THERE.

IT'S STRAIGHT AFTER. THEY'RE WITHOUT A CURVE AND A CURVE COMES UP.

AND PEOPLE WHO EITHER ARE COMPLACENT IN THEIR DRIVING THROUGH THEIR NUMBER ONE OR THEY'RE CUTTING THROUGH THERE TO GET SOMEWHERE ELSE OR JUST SPEEDING THROUGH THERE AND LOSE CONTROL. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THE ROAD CONDITIONS ARE PART OF IT.

BUT MORE OF THE PROBLEM, I THINK, IS THAT THEY GET CAUGHT AND THERE'S NO SIGNAGE OR ANYTHING THAT SAYS THERE'S A BIG S-CURVE THERE.

SO THERE WAS A I THINK WE I THOUGHT THERE WAS A SIGN.

I THINK WE GOT THEM PUT BACK UP.

THERE WAS A WRECK A WHILE AGO.

THEY GET HIT REGULARLY.

YEAH.

AND ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS WHO HAS FIVE KIDS UNDER THE AGE OF SIX, THE LAST WRECK THAT WAS THERE AND IT WAS DUE TO THE RAIN AND SPEED.

THE CAR WENT THROUGH HER FENCE AND THE KIDS WERE OUTSIDE.

AND I MEAN, IT'S A MIRACLE NOBODY WAS HURT.

THIS WAS MY RATIONALE BEHIND THIS.

AND THIS IS JUST JIM THINKING MAYBE OUT OF THE BOX AND MAYBE STRANGELY, IS THAT I DRIVE DOWN PARKER ALL THE TIME.

AND WHEN YOU GO DOWN PARKER, IF YOU NOTICE ON THE EAST SIDE THERE, THEY HAVE A NEAR THE SCHOOL THERE, OR MAYBE RIGHT AFTER THE SCHOOL THEY HAVE THIS AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL COST MONEY. BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER PREVENTIVE ACTIVITIES HERE, I'M THINKING THAT FOR ME IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE BECAUSE WHAT THEY HAVE IS THEY HAVE LIGHTS THAT FLASH LIKE A POLICE BAR FLASH AND IT TELLS YOU WHAT YOUR SPEED IS.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE OVER THE SPEED, IT FLASHES, SO IT CATCHES YOUR ATTENTION REALLY QUICKLY.

SO MY THOUGHT IS THAT PEOPLE THAT MAYBE ARE GOING THROUGH THAT, I PERSONALLY THINK AND I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO THE DATA, BUT I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THE REASON FOR THESE ACCIDENTS IS SPEEDING OF THIS.

SO IF YOU HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT ALERTED PEOPLE BECAUSE AS SOON AS THAT COMES ON, IT IS AN ALERT, NOT JUST A SIGN THAT SOMEBODY LOOKS AT IT, BUT IT ACTUALLY FLASHES AND YOU NOTICE THAT. SO MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION AND MAYBE THAT SPEEDING EVENT WOULD BE LIMITED TO BEING ON THE ROAD WITH THAT RIGHT NOW, LIVING ON A ROAD WITH THAT, IT DOESN'T DETOUR AFTER THE FIRST MONTH.

THEY JUST IGNORE IT AFTER A WHILE.

THE SCOREBOARD. YEAH. SOME OF THE TEENAGERS TO SEE WHO CAN SCORE HIGHER AND THEY'LL TRY TO DRIFT THROUGH THOSE AS IT DOESN'T GO FASTER THAN 99 BECAUSE THEY VERIFY THAT THEY TALK TO THE CHIEF AND TO JERRY ON WHAT ARE SOME OF OUR OPTIONS AND THE ONE THAT THEY TOLD ME, WELL, THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS.

THE ONE THAT'S, LUKE'S PUTTING IT UP IS TO USE STRIDE AND CONCRETE.

RIGHT? RIGHT. CONCRETE.

SO BASICALLY HAS A LARGER GROOVE PATTERN IN THERE SO THAT THAT WATER GETS OFF THE ROADWAY.

NOW, WITHIN THAT BID, YOU KNOW, WE DID BOTH CURVES.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE ROUGHLY ABOUT THE SAME COST TO DO CONCRETE ON THOSE.

THE ISSUE IS, IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DRAINAGE COST IS GOING TO BE ON THOSE.

AND WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A STUDY DONE TO GET THOSE.

WHAT DRAINAGE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE? BECAUSE I KNOW ON THE SOUTH CURVE, WATER SITS THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND THAT HAS BEEN DETERIORATING THE SUB BASE, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE SOME OF THE SHIFTING AND EVERYTHING GOING ON THERE.

YES. KNOW WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS, IN MY OPINION, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY ISSUES, WE CAN FIX THE TWO S CURVES.

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BECAUSE TO SPEND $1,000,000 NOW, ONLY TO PAVE THE WHOLE ROAD, SAYING THREE YEARS.

TO ME, THAT'S SHORTSIGHTED.

THAT'S IN I UNDERSTAND THE MONEY.

YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THAT.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING COUNCIL WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ON ONE QUESTION THAT I HAVE MAINLY FOR CHIEF AND YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO KNOW IT, BUT YOU MIGHT KNOW IT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD. THE MAJORITY OF THE ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED HERE HAVE THEY'VE BEEN PARKER RESIDENTS OR HAVE THEY BEEN VISITING MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? BECAUSE I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW MANY I WATCHED.

OH, THIS HAS BEEN ABOUT A WEEK AGO.

IT WAS ON A SATURDAY. I HAD TURNED OUT RIGHT FROM WHERE I LIVE, WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF ONE OF THE CURVES.

AND I WATCHED A CAR WHO HAD DECIDED TO GO FAIRLY FAST IN FRONT OF ME, WHO I DON'T THINK LIVED IN PARKER BECAUSE I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE IT.

AND HE HIT THAT CURVE.

AND BICYCLISTS LOVE DUBLIN ROAD.

SO HE WENT TO MAKE THAT LEFT DOING ABOUT 20 OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.

AND THERE WAS A BICYCLIST IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

HE WENT DOWN INTO JOHN CHISHOLM'S DITCH AND HAD TO COME BACK UP TO NOT HIT THE BICYCLIST.

I'VE SEEN THAT SEVERAL TIMES.

AND, YOU KNOW, TO TALK ABOUT SAFETY, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE KIDS IN THEIR YARD.

I'M HIGHLY WORRIED ABOUT OUR BICYCLING PUBLIC.

WE HAVE A LOT FROM SPRINGHILL ESTATES THAT TAKE THAT ROAD, PARKER LAKE ESTATES.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO RIDE THEIR BIKE UP AND DOWN DUBLIN.

I WOULDN'T DO IT, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE LOVE TO DO IT, AND THAT HAS BEEN THE CLOSEST ACCIDENTS I'VE SEEN, WHICH IS WHY WE HAD THAT ONE FATALITY AT PARK IN DUBLIN NOT THAT LONG AGO BECAUSE OF A BICYCLIST.

AND IT WASN'T HIS FAULT, IT WAS THE CAR.

BUT I JUST I AM CONCERNED THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING FROM THE SIDE SET OF THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE ACCIDENTS AND IT'S ALMOST A JOKE WHEN YOU LIVE ON DUBLIN.

WE HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD TO PUT GIANT BOULDERS IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE PEOPLE RUN IT INTO THEIR FENCE, THEN BACK IT UP AND TAKE IT OFF.

SO THEY PUT THE BOULDERS, SO AT LEAST THEY CAN KNOW WHO HIT IT BECAUSE THE CAR IS STILL GOING TO BE THERE AND SO THAT THEY COULD CATCH WHO WAS RUNNING INTO THEIR FENCE.

AND IT'S BECOME A ONE OF THE RESIDENTS HAS THE TREE HE LIKES TO CALL THE WIDOWMAKER BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE HIT IT DEAD ON BECAUSE IT IS STRAIGHT AT THE END OF THAT CURVE.

AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

EVERYONE I HAVE SEEN HAS BEEN A RESULT OF SPEED, NOT BECAUSE OF WATER ON THE ROADWAY, BUT SPEED.

AND I WE DO HAVE THE SIGNS.

PEOPLE KEEP HITTING THEM.

SO IT'S KIND OF. YEAH, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A CURVE THERE.

WELL, YOU HIT THE SIGN THAT SAID IT.

BUT THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE IS IF WE DON'T, WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE ACCIDENTS DOWN THAT ROADWAY.

I WOULD ARGUE IT AS ONE OF PROBABLY WELL, WE HANDLED ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS SORT OF IN PARKER.

I WOULD SAY THIS IS PROBABLY THE SECOND MOST DANGEROUS I'VE SEEN IN PARKER AS FAR AS ACCIDENTS GO.

SO THEN MY QUESTION WOULD BE THEN WOULD A SPEED BUMP OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT? WOULD THAT I MEAN, THAT BE OR SOMETHING THAT I USED TO HAVE THAT CAN MITIGATE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THE FASTER YOU GO, THE LESS YOU FEEL IS WHAT I FIGURED.

I FEEL LIKE IF I SEE A SPEED BUMP, I MEAN, I WANT TO I WANT TO SLOW DOWN BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THAT IT FEELS.

IF I WAS GOING 100 MILES OVER THAT SPEED BUMP.

ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS SUGGESTED THAT WE TAKE A POLICE VEHICLE THAT IS NOT IN USE.

PARK IT OVER THERE.

PUT A DUMMY DRESSED UP AS A POLICE OFFICER IN THERE IN THE CAR.

SHERMAN, TEXAS, USED TO DO THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS ON 75.

BASED ON THE THE TAGGING WE HAD IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST WHAT WAS THAT A MONTH AGO WHERE SOMEBODY TAGGED ALL OF OUR SIGNS IN OUR SIDEWALK? THEY JUST TAGGED THE POLICE CAR DOWN THERE, TOO.

MY CONCERN ABOUT THE SPEED BUMPS.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WELL, THAT WAS MY I HAD THAT INITIAL IDEA, TOO.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF A SPEED BUMP, BUT THAT THAT ROADWAY UNTIL RECENTLY WAS FULL OF POTHOLES AND THAT DIDN'T STOP THEM.

I MEAN, THEY WOULD BOTTOM OUT IN THE POTHOLES.

AND IF THAT WON'T, I JUST I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL.

MY CONCERN IS EVEN DOING THIS WITH THE SAW CUTTING ON THE CONCRETE OR THE RAKING OF THE CONCRETE.

I HOPE IT WILL. BUT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THESE PEOPLE, IF I HAD TO GUESS, ARE NOT FROM PARKER.

THEY'RE JUST USING THAT AS AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY TO GET THROUGH AS FAST AS THEY CAN.

AND I COMMEND THE PARKER POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, WHEN I GO DOWN THERE, THERE'S SOMEBODY SITTING IN FRONT OF THAT PUMP STATION RUNNING RADAR, TRYING TO CATCH PEOPLE, OR HAS SOMEBODY PULLED OVER SOMEWHERE NEARBY, WHICH IS WHY YOU DON'T EVER SPEED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF DUBLIN ROAD OR DUBLIN ROAD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE ALWAYS SITTING. BUT THEY DO TRY.

I JUST I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE I'VE SEEN OUR GUYS.

HAVE SOMEBODY STOPPED JUST TO HAVE SOMEBODY FLY BY THEM BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THE OFFICER STOPS?

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I'M NOT A FAN OF SPEED HUMPS, BUT I HAVE SEEN RUMBLE STRIPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT DON'T REQUIRE PUTTING $500,000 WORTH OF CONCRETE IN JUST TO PUT RUMBLE TO PUT A RAKING DOWN ON THE ROAD.

WHAT HAVE WE FOUND ON RUMBLE STRIPS? IS THAT NOT AN EFFECTIVE TOOL OR ARE THERE OTHER TOOLS TO GET YOUR ATTENTION? GET YOUR ATTENTION? I KNOW SOMEBODY'S BUSY WITH THEIR PHONE OR THEY DO HAVE IT WHERE YOU CAN GRIND DOWN LIKE A LITTLE SECTION.

I THINK YOU SEE IT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROADS.

YOU MAKE THAT NOISE WHEN YOU GO OVER A LITTLE TOO FAR.

WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH, WE'RE IN.

YEAH. AND I'VE GOT A MEETING WITH THE GUY NEXT WEEK THAT WE TALK ABOUT.

SO THERE IS, THERE IS OPTIONS.

WE'RE JUST, WE WANT SOME DIRECTION.

I DON'T I, DUBLIN ROAD.

SOUTH DUBLIN ROAD IS A PROBLEM, I DEFINITELY AGREE.

COMMENTS THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM SEVERAL RESIDENTS IS WHY ARE WE PICKING ONE ROAD NOW? YEAH, WE NEED A PLAN BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING.

YEAH. WE NEED TO IDENTIFY A PLAN OF ROADS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON.

AND I SUSPECT DUBLIN WILL PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE FIRST ONES ON THERE.

I MEAN, WITH 30 SOMETHING ACCIDENTS..

AND TO FIND A DEAD PERSON.

NO, I KNOW. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TAKE ANY ACTION UNTIL WE HAD THE PLAN.

EXACTLY. AND WELL, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK.

YEAH, DIANE IS ASKING ABOUT OTHER TOOLS AND I THINK THAT'S A YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE CAN, WE HAVE TO DEFINITELY ADDRESS THE SAFETY ISSUE WITH 30 SOMETHING ACCIDENTS IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THAT'S STILL A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT FOR THAT SMALL OF A ROAD.

AND SO DOING SOMETHING TO ADDRESS SAFETY THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, TAKING A HUGE CHUNK FINANCIALLY IS GOING TO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING AS FAR AS SAFETY, AS FAR AS CHILDREN.

YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK AS A CITY WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.

MY GENERAL OPINION ON IT IS I DO AGREE WITH THE MAYOR ON ONE ASPECT.

IF COUNCIL'S FLAVOR WAS TO DO THIS AND SPEND $1,000,000.

WELL, WE MIGHT AS WELL LOOK AT THE WHOLE ROAD BECAUSE I AGREE IT WOULD BE A WASTE TO SPEND $1,000,000 WHEN WE DO HAVE A PLAN TO PROBABLY ADDRESS THAT ROAD IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS. I WOULD LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING SOMETHING LESSER EXPENSIVE.

THE CONCERNS ARE I WOULD HATE TO PUT SOMETHING IN IT THAT IN TURN CAUSES MORE ACCIDENTS.

AND I'VE SEEN AND THERE'S A LOT OF ROAD STUDIES OUT THERE BECAUSE I STARTED LOOKING INTO THIS WHEN I FIRST HEARD THIS WAS GOING TO COME UP.

THE SPEED BUMPS WERE KIND OF THAT I SAW THE ISSUES THEY'VE HAD ALSO WITH THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAVING TO BYPASS THOSE.

I'VE SEEN THE ISSUES WITH TRASH TRUCKS AND THE LITTER BIT.

I SAW SOME OF THE IDEAS OF THE RAKED OR SCORED CONCRETE, LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THE INCREASE IN ACCIDENTS ACTUALLY WENT UP BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

IT'S THEIR FAULT.

BUT THEN THEY HIT THAT AND THEN THEY GET SCARED AND THEY MAKE AN OVERACTIVE CORRECTION.

SO I YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY I KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE LOOK AT ALL OF IT.

AND IF WE CAN FIND A CHEAPER OPTION, I'M ALL FOR IT.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO SPEND THIS TO, IN TURN SPEND A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS IN A FEW YEARS TO REDO THE WHOLE THING, BECAUSE WE'LL END UP HAVING TO REDO THIS WHEN WE REDO THE WHOLE THING.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.

AND WHAT? DATA I HAVE HERE.

I THINK THIS IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, RIGHT, CHIEF, THAT WE DID OVER THERE BY THE SOUTH CURVE LAST WEEK.

STALKER DATA. YES, 13.7% OF THE VEHICLES GOING THROUGH THERE WERE EXCESSIVELY ABOVE THE SPEED LIMIT, WHICH IS TEN OVER.

SO SO THAT'S MY POINT, IS THAT THE ONE THING I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH EVERYONE IN THE ROOM AND ANYONE WHO'S LISTENING AND ALL OF THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR AND TREY AND LUKE, EVERYBODY IS IN AGREEMENT THAT DUBLIN NEEDS WORK.

IT DEFINITELY DOES. WHAT MY CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE IS THAT YOU COULD GO AND SPEND THE MILLION DOLLARS AND HAVE IT CONCRETE AND IT'S NICE AND SMOOTH WITH AN OVERLAY ON IT THAT IT'S JUST LIKE THE DAYTONA 500 THAT'S NOT GOING TO FIX THE SPEEDING PROBLEM.

IT MAY MAKE IT WORSE BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY A BETTER CONDITION.

SO MY POINT BEING IS THAT I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND IS THE TRUE ROOT CAUSE OF WHY THIS IS GOING ON.

AND THE SURFACE PART OF IT IS ONE THING.

AND THEN TO PIGGYBACK ONTO THAT, AND BECAUSE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THERE'S A LOT OF ROADS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED ON.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO A BOND, WE NEED TO THINK THROUGH.

WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON IT ALREADY.

LET'S DO A BOND AND GET THE WHOLE ENCHILADA DONE.

LET'S NOT JUST DO ONE ROAD FOR A BOND.

SO THAT'S MY OPINION ON THAT.

BUT BUT MY POINT BEING BACK TO THE FIRST COMMENT THAT I HAD IS THAT LET'S MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

YEAH. AND THE PURPOSE OF THE WORKSHOP IS CAN WE COME UP WITH A DIRECTION TO, TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GO?

[01:30:08]

SO I'M OPEN TO IDEAS.

I WOULD LOVE THE IDEA HE'S MEETING WITH SOMEBODY TO GET THE PRICING FOR THE TWO OPTIONS.

LUKE YOU SAID THE STALKER DATA.

HOW LONG WAS THE TIMEFRAME ON THAT? IT WAS ONE WEEK.

ONE WEEK, SO IT ENCOMPASSED A WEEKEND AS WELL.

THE MAXIMUM SPEED ON DUBLIN ROAD SOUTH WAS 76 MILES AN HOUR.

LEE, HOW MANY TIMES WERE YOU ON SOUTH DUBLIN ROAD? THAT'S WHAT I WAS CHASING YOU.

OH, WELL, IT CAN'T PICK ME UP.

I MOVED TOO QUICK.

NO, BUT THE AVERAGE SPEED WAS ABOUT 39 MILES PER HOUR IN THAT AREA DOWN THERE, WHICH IS STILL I MEAN, IT'S STILL OVER THE SPEED LIMIT AND THAT'S THE AVERAGE. SO IF YOU GET BETWEEN PASH AND CHICK-FIL-A DURING LUNCH HOUR, IT'S ALL THE KIDS AND IT'S ONE OF THE.

CAN I ASK YOU CAN I ASK A CRAZY QUESTION? WE WERE ALL KIND OF HAVING SOME CONVERSATION.

IT'S A WORKSHOP, SO WE WANT TO DO THAT.

BUT DIANE, I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING ABOUT DIANA WAS SAYING ABOUT FLASHING LIGHTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

NOW THE RESIDENTS DON'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEN THEY MIGHT SEE IT FROM THEIR HOUSE AND ALL THAT STUFF.

BUT WHAT OTHER CAN WE DO A SURVEY? THIS CAN'T BE THE ONLY S-CURVE THAT HAS THIS PROBLEM IN THE CITIES AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE.

SO, I MEAN, IS THERE ANY WISDOM THAT WE CAN GET FROM SOMEONE WHO'S GONE THROUGH A PROBLEM LIKE THIS AND FINDING OUT WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR THE ROOT CAUSE? YOU KNOW, IS THAT AN OPTION TO KIND OF GO THROUGH AND SURVEY AND SEE? BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE CANNOT BE THE UNIQUE SITUATION THAT THIS HAS ONLY HAPPENED TO.

SO WHAT ARE THEIR OPTIONS? EITHER TRAFFIC CONTROL RISE OR WHETHER IT INVOLVES CHANGING THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE ROAD OR WHEREVER THAT IT IS THAT WE CAN DO.

I WAS THINKING TO DO DO YOU PHYSICALLY HAVE SOME KIND OF STOP SIGN THERE OR SOMETHING WHERE SOMEBODY ACTUALLY HAS TO STOP AND THEN THEY HAVE TO PICK UP AGAIN OR WHAT HAVE YOU? THE THE DATA THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE TOO IS I WOULD BE INTERESTED WHETHER THESE WERE RESIDENTS OR NON RESIDENT AS FAR AS THE ACCIDENTS THAT ARE OCCURRING, EVEN IF IT'S AN ESTIMATE ON THE AMOUNT BECAUSE I DO AGREE WITH YOU, I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE IF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING INTO THESE FENCES ARE PARKER RESIDENTS OR ARE THEY THE TEENAGERS COMING FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL GOING TO CHICK-FIL-A DURING THEIR LUNCH HOUR BEFORE THEY GET CAUGHT OR, YOU KNOW, TRANSIENT UP AND DOWN, IN WHICH CASE WE HAVE TO ADDRESS DIFFERENTLY THAN WE WOULD OTHERWISE.

WHAT WOULD THAT DATA DO IN THE LONG RUN? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHO COMES IN AND EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE GETTING THE DEMOGRAPHICS RIGHT.

BUT WHAT THEN? BECAUSE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHETHER IT IS A ROAD BASED ISSUE OR A [INAUDIBLE] YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THAT GOES, WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO ENFORCEMENT AND I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT WE HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT OUT THERE.

I'M TELLING YOU, LIVING ON DUBLIN ROAD, I SEE THEM ALL THROUGHOUT THE DAY WORKING THAT ROAD TO LIMIT THOSE.

AND IT DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF A DIFFERENCE, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE NUMBERS, AS MUCH AS THEY TRY.

BUT THE DIFFERENCE THAT THAT WOULD MAKE TO ME IS TO TELL ME WHETHER THIS IS MORE OF A TRANSIT ISSUE OR WHETHER IT'S A RESIDENT EDUCATION ISSUE, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THAT GOES.

AND IT WOULD ALSO DEPEND ON THE WAY IN WHICH WE ADDRESS IT, I THINK, BECAUSE IF IT'S RESIDENTS, IT'S NOT GOING TO MATTER WHETHER THERE'S A RUMBLE STRIP THERE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO MATTER BECAUSE THAT'S STATISTICS.

THEY WON'T THEY'LL GET BY WITH IT.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE EVER LIVED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAD THE SPEED HUMPS.

YOU COULD TELL WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE BECAUSE THEY FIGURE OUT WHAT SHOULDER OF THE ROADWAY THEY CAN HIT REAL QUICK TO GO AROUND THEM.

SO THEN YOUR SPEED HUMPS DON'T MATTER.

YOU YOU CAN LOOK AND SEE THE DIFFERENT METHODS OF WHICH WE HAVE TO CONTROL IT, WHETHER WE NEED TO PUT BARRIERS UP ON THE CURBS SO THE CURVES SO THAT PEOPLE DO RUN THROUGH IT, BUT THEY'RE NOT TAKING OUT OUR RESIDENTS FENCES ANYMORE.

SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT DATA FOR ME.

AND IT'S EASY TO ACCESS SO THAT I CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND WHETHER THIS IS A RESIDENT ISSUE OR IT'S A TRANSIENT ISSUE, IN WHICH CASE WE HAVE TO HANDLE IT DIFFERENTLY, I THINK.

OKAY, CHIEF, DO YOU NORMALLY GATHER THAT INFORMATION ON THE SPREADSHEET? I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO.

WHAT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE AGE OF THE PERSON.

YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SOMEBODY THAT'S 17.

YEAH. OKAY.

YOU KNOW, I'D JUST BE CURIOUS, HOW MANY OF THEM ARE THE KIDS? WELL, ONLY IF IT'S LEGAL.

YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, JUST A QUICK GLANCE AT THIS.

YOU LOOK AT THE 3200 DUBLIN.

HOW MANY TIMES? 3200. DUBLIN IS ON HERE.

[01:35:02]

SO WHEN WE GOT HIT AGAIN.

I KNOW. AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM.

A LOT OF TIMES THE PEOPLE LEAVE OR MAY LEAVE THE SCENE.

SO WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS, THIS IS ALSO FOR OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE EXPENDING THEIR HARD EARNED DOLLARS WHO DIDN'T JUST BECAUSE THEY MOVED ON DUBLIN DOESN'T MEAN THEY SIGNED UP FOR THIS.

YEAH. SO WHAT WE'RE FOR.

TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL OR TO ANOTHER WORKSHOP.

WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT OUR ROAD OPTIONS ARE IN TERMS OF RUMBLE STRIPS OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COSTS ARE ON THOSE.

AND THEN WHETHER THEY'RE RESIDENTS OR NON RESIDENTS AND THEN THE AGE OF THE DRIVER.

ANY ANYTHING ELSE THAT COUNCIL OKAY WITH US WORKING WITH JOHN TO GET SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS, THAT'S GOING TO BE SOME COST TO IT.

BUT GETTING NUMBERS LIKE IF WE DO RUMBLE STRIPS OR SOMETHING DOWN THAT LINE BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE ALL THOSE COSTS READILY AVAILABLE, IS THAT OKAY WITH COUNCIL AS A DIRECTION? I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH WE NEED TO DO AND WE ALSO NEED TO DO OTHER TRAFFIC.

IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S A THOROUGHFARE THAT THERE'S NOT ANY STOPPING THERE THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO WE'LL GET WE'LL GET WITH JOHN THEN AND INTERNALLY AND TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME OPTIONS.

I GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OVER BY MY HOUSE.

IF YOU'VE GOT SOME OVER. WELL, YOU LIVE OVER BY ME, SO YOU'VE GOT OPTIONS.

I HAVE SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION.

THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO HELP ALLEVIATE ACCIDENTS ON DUBLIN ROAD.

PROPERLY DESIGNED, INCLUDING ROAD RUMBLE, STRIP SIGNS, FLASHING LIGHTS, ALL THAT STUFF.

WELL, WELL. REDUCE, BUT NOT MUCH BECAUSE THEY ALL GET USED TO THEM.

SO IF YOU HAVE A SIGN THAT FLASHES VERY USEFUL FLASHING THIRD SPEEDER, THAT MEANS SPEED.

BUT WHAT WILL MAKE THE ROAD SAFER IS PROPERLY DESIGNED.

SO IF YOU SPEND MONEY TO DO RUMBLE STRIPS AND SIGNS AND ALL THESE SMALLER IMPROVEMENTS, YOU WILL GET SOME IMPROVEMENT.

BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

SO I GUESS I'M NOT ALIGNED WITH YOU ON THAT BECAUSE WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT IF THE ROAD CONDITION IS I MEAN, WHEN YOU SAY THAT, MAYBE IN MY MIND WHEN I THINK OF IS THAT YOU GET RID OF THE S, YOU SOMEHOW CHANGE THAT THAT IT'S NOT SO AGGRESSIVE LIKE IT IS RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, REROUTE THE WHOLE ROAD, I'LL BUY THAT.

BUT IF YOU JUST TAKE THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION THE WAY IT IS NOW WITHOUT HAVING IT BANKED OR DOING SOMETHING.

REALLY. YEAH.

YEAH. WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

I MADE SURE THAT WE KIND OF TALK IT THROUGH BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO IN THERE BECAUSE OF SAGGING, MAYBE THE ANGLE SHOOT YOU OFF THE ROAD BECAUSE SPEAKING THERE PROBABLY.

RIGHT. I MEAN, NASCAR, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE A 45 DEGREE BANK AND YOU CAN GO 180 MILES AN HOUR INTO A CURVE AND YOU CAN NOT GO OFF.

RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME KIND OF THING IF YOU BANK THAT ROAD AND IT'S BANKED ON BOTH SIDES, LIKE YOU SAID.

BUT BUT MY POINT BEING IS THAT I DON'T YOU KNOW, WE THINK THROUGH THOSE OPTIONS THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE MORE THAN $1,000,000.

NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE TALKING LIKE BIG BERMS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE BUILDING, COMPACTED DIRT AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING.

BUT BUT I MEAN, BUT SERIOUSLY, I MEAN, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DESIGN IT LIKE THAT, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME MAJOR CHANGES IN THE CONFIGURATION.

WELL, ONE THING THAT THAT WILL INCREASE THE SPEED IF PEOPLE WON'T HAVE TO SLOW DOWN AS MUCH.

AND YOU MAY BE ASKING FOR MORE ACCIDENTS BY DOING THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY CAN NOW TAKE THE THE CORVETTE BECAUSE.

RIGHT. YOU KNOW, 45, SOME OF THOSE 50 SOME OF THOSE LANES OF TRAFFIC, THOUGH, DON'T MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS OF TWO LANE BECAUSE IT DOES NARROW DOWN IN CERTAIN AREAS.

SO THAT DOES CAUSE INTO SOME OTHER FACTORS THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS, SPEED BEING ONE PROPER LANE LENGTH WITH I MEAN SURFACE.

YEAH, I HAVE A SUGGESTION.

JUST PUT BIGGER BOULDERS THERE THAT WAY THAT WILL REMEMBER IT.

SURPRISINGLY BOULDERS MOVE.

YEAH, I'VE SEEN BIG ONES.

I THINK THE ONES ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THEY HAVE MOVED A LITTLE BIT A COUPLE OF FEET NOW.

YEAH, MINE WORKED THERE.

DON'T THAT IS MY REASONING WHY I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT RESIDENT VERSUS NON RESIDENTS WILL BECOME MORE ACCUSTOMED TO ANYTHING WE PUT IN THAN NON RESIDENTS WILL BECAUSE THEY MIGHT NOT SEE IT ALL THE TIME.

AND I AGREE WITH YOU, I AM NOT HUGELY IN FAVOR OF CONCRETE THOUGH.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE COUNTER MY COUNTER POSITION IS.

[01:40:02]

ONE, IT BECOMES MORE OF AN ARTERIAL THOROUGHFARE IF IT'S CONCRETE VERSUS ASPHALT.

AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.

BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER REED ON THE IDEA OF IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN $1,000,000 BECAUSE TO ME THIS IS THE IDEA OF DOING WHAT IS PROPOSED HERE, THOUGH I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT WAS DONE TO GET THIS, AND I UNDERSTAND AND I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT INTO IT.

I FEEL LIKE THIS IS KIND OF THAT BAND-AID APPROACH THAT WE'VE TAKEN ON SO MANY ROADWAYS.

I AGREE THAT THE BIGGER THE BIGGER FIX IS GOING TO BE REPLACING THE ROAD.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT, IS WHAT THAT PLAN IS.

THAT IS AS FAR AS REPLACING THE ROADWAY AND HOW MANY ROADS WE'RE GOING TO DO SO THAT WE CAN START ADDRESSING THIS BEFORE SOMEBODY GETS HURT ON THIS ROADWAY OR SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT ARE AS EQUALLY AS BAD.

ONE QUESTION THAT I DID HAVE ACTUALLY, AS I HAD A NOTE HERE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW HARD IT WOULD BE IS YOU TALKED ABOUT CURVES.

THERE IS AN S CURVE ON LEWIS.

AND I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE IF WE'VE HAD AS MANY INCIDENTS ON IT AS WE DO ON DUBLIN.

NO, THERE HASN'T BEEN A MAX SPEED OF 90 SOMETHING ON THAT ROAD WITH THE POTHOLES TO THOSE AREAS AND THEN THE LEWIS.

BUT I DO KNOW WE DO HAVE WE HAVE HAD A FEW ACCIDENTS ON DILLEHAY AT THE CURVE.

SO HAVE THEY MEASURED UP TO WHAT WE ARE SEEING ON DUBLIN? WE WOULD RESPOND TO THOSE TOO, BECAUSE ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF DILLEHAY WHERE WE MAKE THAT CURVE.

WELL, I THINK THE OTHER THING TOO ON DILLEHAY IS THAT YOU YOU STILL HAVE VISION WHERE ON ON WHEN YOU'RE ON DUBLIN, IT'S BLIND, IT'S THE TURN IS SHARP ENOUGH THAT IT'S A BLIND CURVE.

SO IF YOU GO OFF AND THERE'S SOMEBODY COMING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, YOU'RE VERY WRONG.

YEAH. IF YOU'RE SPEEDING.

YES. AND IF THOSE ROADWAYS, THOUGH, ARE NOT IMPACTED IN THE SAME MANNER, THEN WE SEE WHAT HAS MADE THE DIFFERENCES ON THOSE ROADWAYS.

AND IT'S THINGS THAT WE CAN OR CANNOT APPLY TO DUBLIN.

AND MOST INSTANCES WE CAN'T WE WE AREN'T GOING TO TAKE LAND FROM FROM RESIDENTS.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE IT UP WILLINGLY TO LET US CHANGE THE WAY OF THE ROAD.

SO WHAT ARE THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE? DEPENDS ON WHERE OUR WHERE OUR EASEMENTS FALL AS FAR AS WHAT OUR ABILITIES ARE.

THOUGHT ABOUT OH ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO AND STILL WOULDN'T DO IT.

I MEAN, THERE WAS UPROAR.

YEAH. SO MAYBE IF PEOPLE THINK AND COME UP WITH IDEAS AND OPTIONS, WE CAN FIGURE SOMETHING OUT BECAUSE WE CAN'T JUST IGNORE IT AND KEEP KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD.

YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A VERY PERTINENT TOPIC AND I THINK THAT ALSO THE THOUGHT THAT WE PUT IN THIS IS IS GOING TO BE VERY WELL APPLICABLE TO ANY OF THE OTHER ROADS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

AND THIS WAS ONLY THE CURVES THEMSELVES WERE GOING TO BE CONCRETE.

EVERYTHING ELSE WAS GOING TO BE ASPHALT.

JUST SO THERE'S CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

THE ONLY REASON FOR THAT IS AS OILS BUILD UP ON THOSE CURVES AND EVERYTHING AND THEN IT RAINS, THEN WE GET BIGGER ISSUES.

THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THE MOST OF THE ASPHALT ANYWAY.

YEAH. SO, BUT I KNEW THAT, BUT I THOUGHT SOMEBODY HAD MENTIONED CONCRETE ROADWAY.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT.

NO, NO, IT WAS JUST THE S CURVES THEMSELVES.

YES. YEAH.

YEAH.

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[01:45:05]

AND NO ONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH US GETTING WITH BIRKHOFF TO WORK OUT SOME IDEAS, BOUNCE SOME IDEAS OFF HIM.

I THINK WE HAVE TO GET ADEQUATE, OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST TALKING WITH GUYS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD.

AND DID WE HAVE DO WE HAVE THAT WHETHER THEY'RE SPEEDING? WE HAVE THAT. RIGHT. SO WE KNOW.

DO WE KNOW THAT ALREADY? I DIDN'T SEE IT ON HERE.

BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW ALSO.

THAT'S ALL WE HAD FOR THAT.

IS THAT A HINT? IS THAT LIKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I CAN'T MAKE MOTION.

I'M SORRY. WELL, GEE, I DON'T HEAR ANYBODY ELSE MAKING ONE TO ADJOURN, SO I GET IT.

WE ARE ADJOURNED.

IT IS 8:12.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.