[CALL TO ORDER – Roll Call and Determination of a Quorum]
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>> [BACKGROUND] I HEREBY CALL THE CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER.
AT THIS TIME, I WILL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THE COUNCIL MEMBER ABRAHAM IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY ON A WORK ASSIGNMENT AND COUNCIL MEMBER MEYER IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY.
IS THAT RIGHT MR. OLSON? [NOISE]
>> I UNDERSTAND, YES. [LAUGHTER]
[1. BUDGET WORKSHOP (ADJUSTMENTS, OVERALL DISCUSSION, HOPEFULLY WILL HAVE FINAL NUMBERS FROM CAD)]
I'LL TO TURN THE MEETING OVER TO OUR DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, GRANT SAVAGE.>> THE BOARD HAD TO PICK A HOLE IN THE TOP LAST TIME.
I WOULD LIKE TO SENT OVER SOME OF THE NEWER INFORMATION TO PROCEED MEETINGS.
THIS IS THE SAME CALENDAR THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
NEXT TUESDAY IS THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPOSED TAX RATE AND THEN ON THE 16TH PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX RATE BUDGET.
THEN AUGUST 22ND IS THE FINAL ACTION.
AS FAR THE INFORMATION YOU RECEIVE [INAUDIBLE] CAME IN $58 MILLION FOR THE PREVIOUS ESTIMATE, SO BECAUSE OF THAT THE CHANGE OF OUR INVISIBLE BILL, NOW THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL 230 MILLION OVER LAST YEAR WHICH IS ADDITIONAL $844,000 REVENUE.
THE NEW TAXABLE PROPERTY THAT WAS ADDED.
IT CHANGED A LITTLE BIT THAT THE STATE COULD FOR US.
ALSO WE HAVE RECEIVED NEW VALUES FOR THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE THAT WAS $122,000.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW CHANGES TO THE BUDGET BY $145,000 AND CHANGES THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER'S TAX BILL BY $92.
I FORGOT TO CERTIFY [INAUDIBLE] WE ALSO RECEIVE TAX RATES AND CALCULATIONS FROM COLLIN COUNTY.
I RECEIVED THE NOTARY REVENUE TAX RATE IS 32 CENTS VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE 32.9 CENTS AND THEN WE WILL SKIP DOWN TO THE DE MINIMIS RATE THERE.
[NOISE] [INAUDIBLE] YESTERDAY, THE DE MINIMIS RATE IS LESS THAN OUR CURRENT ATTACHMENT.
SO THE DE MINIMIS RATE RIGHT NOW BECOMES THE ASSEMBLY FOR OUR TAX RATE IN DISCUSSIONS NOW.
SO IT DROPPED BY 1.25 CENTS [INAUDIBLE] STARTING POINT [INAUDIBLE]
>> OKAY, [INAUDIBLE] I'M GOING TO ASK ONE QUESTION.
IF WE DO NOT WANT TO GO BY THE [INAUDIBLE] THEN WE HAVE TO CALL FOR ELECTION AND HAVE A VOTE.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT DIRECTION? OKAY.
>> IF WE DON'T WANT TO USE THAT AS OUR STARTING POINT. YES.
>> I JUST WANTED TO CHECK YOU DIDN'T WANT TO ASK THE TAXPAYERS TO VOTE ON RAISING THE TAX.
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A CAREER RUINING MOVE. [LAUGHTER]
>> SO YOU ARE SAYING THE DE MINIMIS RATE THAT IS GOING TO REDUCE OUR TAX REVENUE ABOUT $183,000.
IF WE WERE TO ADOPT THE NEW REVENUE TAX RATE, THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $485,000 REDUCTION.
IF WE USE THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE IT WOULD $150,000 DOLLARS INCREASE TAX RATE.
[NOISE] I WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH DATA ON WHAT IMPACT DO WE HAVE USING THESE RATES.
THEN BOOTED BACK INTO THE DISCUSSION WITH THE MIND.
A FEW CHANGES THAT WERE MADE BETWEEN LAST MEETING AND NOW OBVIOUSLY ON PAGE 3 OF THE [INAUDIBLE] OFFICE HOUR PROPERTY TAX REVENUE IS GOING TO BE THE NEW NUMBER THAT REFLECTS THE NEW DE MINIMIS [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE] PREVIOUSLY, WE HAD BUDGETED MONEY AND FILING FEES, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS SINCE THEN AND YURI WAS LEVY'S TWO SUBDIVISIONS WILL BE COMING ON AND THE BEGINNING OF INSPECTION FEES AND FILE FEES FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
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>> QUESTION WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE WITH THE TERMINATION OF ANY NEW PLANTS.
IS THAT CUT INTO IT AT ALL ON WHAT WE SEE HERE? THESE ARE ALREADY SET?
>> ALREADY SET TO GO TO THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> BUT THERE WASN'T ANY OTHER ONES THAT WERE IN Q THAT WERE TO HIT NEXT YEAR? [NOISE]
>> IT'S GOING TO BE MORE PHASES ONCE EACH CROSSING AND SIXTH ARE TALKING.
>> THERE'S MORE PHASES OF THESE.
>> BUT THEY WERE ALREADY ON THE TABLE. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OKAY.
>> SO, JERRY, ARE YOU ANTICIPATING PHASE 6 INKS CROSSING SIX TO COME IN NEXT YEAR?
>> BUT THEY THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE [LAUGHTER]
>> WE'RE DISCUSSING IT NOW? YEAH.
>> SO THAT SEEMS TO BE RUSHING. [LAUGHTER]
>> YEAH, THAT SEEM TO BE QUICK.
>> [INAUDIBLE] WORRYING ABOUT ADDING THAT REVENUE.
>> JUST PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.
DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS, THAT COULD CHANGE BUT RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING.
>> WHAT IF THIS DOESN'T COME IN? WHAT IF HE HOLDS PLOTTING IF SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH.
>> THOSE FEES ARE BASICALLY INSPECTION FEES [INAUDIBLE].
>> IT'S STILL BRINGS IN REVENUE, RIGHT?
>> SO MY POINT BEING IS DO WE WANT TO BE CONSERVATIVE ON THIS?
>> DO WE WANT TO BUDGET ON WHAT WE EXPECT TO HAPPEN, WHAT WE'VE SEEN.
I MEAN, IF THE HOUSING MARKET TOTALLY COMES TO A GRINDING HALT WITH THE INTEREST RATE CHANGES OR WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTING BY THE END OF THE YEAR DECIDE YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S SLOW THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ALL MY MONEY SITTING OUT THERE WAITING ON SOMEBODY TO BUILD IT.
>> BECAUSE THEN IT JUST GO UP ANOTHER THREE-QUARTERS.
>> AS I WERE SAYING THAT IT IS GOING TO GO UP BY A 1.25 [INAUDIBLE] THAT IS WHAT THERE ANTICIPATION IS.
>> NOW, LET ME ASK ABOUT THESE FIVE.
>> THESE TWO THAT WE'VE LISTED HERE ARE ALREADY IN ENGINEERING.
THESE AREN'T SOMETHING THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS.
THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TIED UP IN THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE TO GO BACKWARDS ON IT UNLESS THE MARKET JUST REALLY CRUMBLES, THAT IS JUST POSITIVE.
>> THAT IS MORE OF MY CONCERN IS TO DO WE WANT TO BUDGET FOR SOMETHING AND THEN RUN THE RISK OF NOT HAVING IT OR WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER NOT TO BUDGET FOR IT? AND THEN IF WE HAVE IF IT'S A BONUS THERE, WE'D GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA MONEY WHICH WILL PROBABLY HELP WITH THE INFLATIONARY COSTS OF THE NEXT 12 MONTHS.
>> MY CONCERN IS BUDGETING ON [NOISE] SOMETHING WITH HOUSING WHEREAS RUNNING IT WITH THE NEWS.
>> LIKE PUBLISHED NOW THAT THERE'S MULTIPLE FILTERS THAT HAVE LOST OR BUILD LINES OR THEIR REAL LIVES BECAUSE MY HALF, BECAUSE THE BANKS DON'T WANT TO PUSH.
I'M JUST NOT WORRIED. GRAND COMES IN AND SAYS, OH, WE CAN'T BUILD AS MANY HOUSES.
HE MAY GO, WELL, I GET TO SPENT AS THAT MONEY WILL STILL BE GOOD LATER.
LET ME LOOK AT ANOTHER PROJECT.
>> THAT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO DROP IT DOWN TO $215,000.
>> WELL IS IT TWO PROPERTIES OR THREE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE SEEING THE FAULT OF THE REVENUES COMING IN NEXT YEAR AND THAT TO ME THE BALL PIECE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE INSPECTION GAUGE.
>> HOUSE AND WHITE STONE IN OUR BRANCH OR BRANCHES ON THEIR LAST PHASE AND THAT'LL BE DONE HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THIS YEAR OR POSSIBLE NEXT YEAR.
>> I'M ALL ABOUT NOT UNDER-GUESSING OUR REVENUE [NOISE] SO THAT WE DON'T PUSH THAT BUT THAT IS ONE CATEGORY I AM SERIOUSLY CONCERNED ABOUT IF WE WENT OVER.
BECAUSE IT IS AN INCOME GENERATOR IN SOME RESPECT.
WE TAKE REVENUE FROM IT OUTSIDE OF THE ENGINEERING.
I KNOW IT'S NOT A LOT BUT I DON'T WANT TO BANK ON SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW THE WORTH THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET.
I HAVE SEVERE CONCERNS WITH THAT.
I WOULDN'T HAVE AS MUCH OF A CONCERN IF WE DROPPED IT SOME.
I PERSONALLY HAVE A CONCERN WITH IT.
>> [NOISE] WHICH ONE OF THOSE IS AHEAD? IS MOSTLY BOB AHEAD OR WHAT'S ON THE PHASE FORM OR THEY BOTH ABOUT THE SAME? [NOISE]
>> WYATT'S STILL SIX MONTHS OUT.
ANYWAY, I THINK THAT FROM A COMPLETION.
AT THIS POINT TODAY THAT CAN CHANGE TOO.
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>> IF WE PUSH OUT EVEN FURTHER?
>> MORE THAN LIKELY THEY'LL FINISH THE DEVELOPMENT NEXT YEAR AND WE'LL GET THE INSPECTION PIECE ON THAT NEXT YEAR.
>> THEY'RE PROJECTING FIRST QUARTER NEXT YEAR FOR COMPLETION.
>> I DON'T KNOW [NOISE] WHAT'S THE SUGGESTION IS ON [INAUDIBLE] RANGE BUT I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSE TO THE SAME IF BEYOND THE END OF THE YEAR, THIS YEAR, CALENDAR YEAR, OR IN THE VERTICAL [NOISE].
>> I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE TO PICK THE NOSE, YES, PUT THE REVENUES INTO THAT.
KING'S CROSSING 5, FROM WHAT I HEAR, THAT'S GOING TO GO.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE SLOWED DOWN BUT SIX IS THE ONE WITH 100 [OVERLAPPING].
[OVERLAPPING] THAT'S LIKE 120.
[OVERLAPPING] YEAH, IT'S BIGGER.
THAT'S THE ONE I WOULD PULL OUT. [LAUGHTER]
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING THE KING'S CROSSING PHASE 5 OR 6, REDUCING THAT NUMBER LIKE WHAT WE'VE DONE IN PHASE 5? TAKE OUT THE PHASE 6 PORTION OF THAT?
>> JUST FIVE, JUST FIVE. THERE'S SIX.
THAT'S NOT N6 AGAIN? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE AND SIX.
>> [OVERLAPPING] AT THIS POINT TODAY, THEY CAN SAY WE'RE NOT BUILDING 6.
BUT 5, I THINK IS ALREADY STARTED BRINGING WORKS.
>> THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 30,000 IN INSPECTION FEES?
>> APPROXIMATELY, YEAH, 30, 40.
>> THIRTY WOULD BE A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER WITH THEIR RUNNING EXPENSES AND COSTS ARE GOING DOWN, SO THAT WOULD BE A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER.
>> COSTS INCREASES ARE UP 30 PERCENT [INAUDIBLE].
>> WOULD EVERYONE BE COMFORTABLE FOR CHANGING THAT TOTAL NUMBER FROM 120,000 UP TO 70,000?
>> I FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE.
>> I LIKE MONEY. BUT I [INAUDIBLE]
>> IT IS BETTER TO BE ON THAT SIDE.
IT IS BETTER TO BE THE THAT CORRECTION AND THE OTHER CORRECTION.
>> THE TRUTH IS IF WE ARE LUCKY AND WE GET THAT THERE'LL BE SOME PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT WILL COME UP IN THE BUDGET AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN USE SOME OF THAT TO COVER IT.
>> WE'RE GOING TO BE GIVING THEM 70.
>> WITH THAT INFORMATION, THIS WILL DROP OUR REVENUES FROM 6,097,000 TO 6,047,000.
LOOKING AT THIS GENERAL FUND SUMMARY [INAUDIBLE], RIGHT NOW, IT'S SHOWING A FUND BALANCE, A BUDGET SURPLUS OF 378,000, THAT NUMBER IS NOW 320.
>> [NOISE] MORE IMPORTANT, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SITTING AT RIGHT NOW.
JUST AT A BUDGET SURPLUS OF 320,000 IN [INAUDIBLE].
THERE WAS DISCUSSION LAST MEETING ABOUT THE NEWSLETTER, SO I PULLED OUT THE POSTAGE PORTION OF THAT.
PUT POSTAGE OVER IT TO ADMIN, INCREASE THE ADMIN BUDGET JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR POSTAGE AND THAT WOULD [INAUDIBLE].
THERE'S ALSO A DISCUSSION OF THE [INAUDIBLE] PROGRAM IN GENERAL FUND VERSUS THE PARK'S FUND.
WE GAVE THIS MORE THOUGHT AND I'M GOING TO ASK IF WE COULD LEAVE THAT IN THE GENERAL FUND.
THE REASON BEING I'M AFRAID IT'S GOING TO CONFUSE THE PARK'S.
THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AND SEE A $4,000 BUDGET AND THINK THAT THEY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 4,000 IN WHEN THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CASE.
THAT'S ONLY TILL MONEY COMES IN PLUS [INAUDIBLE].
>> IS THAT YOUR PROJECTED DONATION STATUS OR WHAT?
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>> IF YOU TELL THAT SOMEBODY BUYS A TREE, IT'S A DOLLAR PER DOLLAR.
THEY RUN THROUGH THE [INAUDIBLE] SOMEBODY COMES IN AND BUY A TREE.
>> THERE'S A CHOICE OF FOUR TREES AND THEY COST DIFFERENT PRICES AND THEN THE PLOT THAT YOU GET TO PUT WITH THE TREE.
PARK'S GENERALLY HANDLES THAT WITH A LOT OF CITY INPUT.
BECAUSE YOU TELL PEOPLE ABOUT THE TREES AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND WHY THEY CAN'T HAVE A MAGNOLIA TREE OR SOMETHING. [LAUGHTER]
>> THAT IS OKAY TO LEAVE THAT IN GENERAL FUND.
I THINK IT WOULD CAUSE LESS CONFUSION, REALLY.
>> I'M OKAY. ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
IF IT'S OKAY, I'LL JUST QUICKLY GO OVER THE ONES THAT WE COVERED.
>> ON PAGE 5 WE HAVE THE POSTAGE THAT I JUST MENTIONED, THAT INCREASE FOR THE NEWSLETTER.
FOR THE ONES AT PAGE 8, I APOLOGIZE IF YOU [INAUDIBLE].
BUT I JUST DIDN'T COVER THAT OVER, SO THAT ONE WAS MY FAULT.
THAT BRINGS US TO FIVE , [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]
>> WE CAN START ANYWHERE YOU WANT.
>> THERE ARE THREE AREAS [INAUDIBLE] THE THIRD IS DISPATCH.
IN EACH OF THOSE CASES, WE HAVE AN INCREASE WHICH OFFSETS SOME OF THE INCREASE IN [INAUDIBLE].
WITH REGARDS TO STAFFING, [INAUDIBLE] AN HOURLY INCREASE OF A DOLLAR ACROSS THE BOARD [INAUDIBLE] TOO MUCH STATUS QUO FROM THE BASIS OF THE SALARY OF BIG WAGES.
BASICALLY, WE'RE WORKING AT THREE PERCENT INCREASE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IN THE WAGE.
[INAUDIBLE] THEN IT'S NOT TOO BAD.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE [INAUDIBLE]
>> CHIEF, JUST QUICK QUESTION ON THAT, NOT TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, YOU THINK THAT THREE PERCENT IS GOING TO DO IT?
>> QUICK QUESTION, ANSWER IS I'M PUTTING MY CITIZENS HANDS AS WELL AS [INAUDIBLE].
>> NO, I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
I'M JUST SAYING, ARE WE GOING TO GET THREE OR FOUR MONTHS DOWN THE LINE AND DO YOU THINK THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THEY CAN COME AND SAY THAT, HEY, WE NEED ANOTHER TWO OR THREE PERCENT TO STAY
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COMPETITIVE OR WHAT'S YOUR GUT FEEL? BUDGET OFF THE TABLE.>> WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS ONE. WE ARE PUT PERSPECTIVE TO IT, [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] I'M LOOKING TO PAY MY OPENING FIREFIGHTERS $17 AN HOUR.
SIXTY ARE IN POSITION SO THAT IS $20.
ONE, IS TO HAVE A [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S A BETTER WORD.
MORE ATTRACTIVE EQUIPMENT. IS THAT WHAT WE WANT? MELTS AT SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING US.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY NO WHAT YOU SAYING WILL RUIN IT. [LAUGHTER]
WE'RE IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS, SO YEAH.
WE'RE STILL AT A DISADVANTAGE.
I THINK THE INCREMENTAL INCREASE TO SEE AND MY PLAN IS TO FILL THE GAP AT 20.
>> THEN ALSO, IF I UNDERSTAND THE WAY IT WORKS IS WE'RE DOING PART-TIME THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE FILLING IN THEIR SCHEDULE ROTATING TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS SO IF THEY ARE GETTING THAT TRAINING ON THE DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT, THERE COULD BE AN ADVANTAGE THERE IN THEIR OVERALL PORTFOLIO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, I GUESS.
>> THEY GET TO USE A DIFFERENT BUDGET.
>> DOES FAIRVIEW OFFER PART-TIME?
>> DOES FAIRVIEW OFFER PART-TIME? THEY FOCUS IN PART-TIME.
>> THEY DO, BUT MAINLY THE FULL-TIME DEPARTMENT.
>> MOSTLY FULL-TIME, THEY ALL DO OFFER PART-TIME.
>> DO THEY OFFER THEIR PART-TIME AND FULL-TIME STARTING AT THE SAME.
IS $20 FULL-TIME OR PART-TIME?
>> I DO THINK IT'S FOR PART-TIME.
>> FULL-TIME PAYS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IF THEY DO [INAUDIBLE] BUT HOURLY RATE AT $40. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
>> LINKS FOR THE HOUR WORK WEEK.
>> ONE OF THE ATTRACTIONS TO COME INTO PARKER AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM SOME OF THE FIREFIGHTERS, WE PROVIDE GREAT TRAINING AND THEY CAN GET CERTIFICATIONS AND THEN GO BACK TO THEIR FULL-TIME JOB AND IT'S OKAY [OVERLAPPING].
I'M CERTIFIED WITH THIS AND I'M WONDERING OR WHAT?
>> WE HAVE FOUR GUYS DONE THEIR A1 RIGHT NOW IN THEIR TRAINING.
ONE OF THE GUYS, HE WAS BRAGGING TO ONE OF THE STORE WHERE DEPARTMENT SAYING, "HEY, PARKER, IS GIVING ME TO THIS TRAINING.
I'M DOING THIS, I'M DOING THAT." IT'S SOMETHING ELSE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I GUESS THAT'S A GOOD WAY OF FRAMING IT, THAT IT'S AN OVERALL COMPENSATION PACKAGE, NOT JUST THE HOURLY RATE.
>> YOU CAN LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO, WE HAVE TO HAVE MANY YEARS TO ALLOW OUR YOUNG PARTNERS BECOME MORE RESPONSIBILITY [INAUDIBLE] DEPARTMENT, WHETHER YOU LIKE THAT [INAUDIBLE] PARTNERS ARE SMALL ENOUGH AS YOU SEE IN THAT.
WHEREAS IF WE GO TO A LARGER DEPARTMENT, WE GET LOST QUICKLY.
I'D LOVE TO GIVE ANOTHER VOWEL BUT I'M DOING OKAY.
>> NO. I APPRECIATE THAT. [LAUGHTER]
>> WHAT I'M ASKING FOR, IS I'M ASKING FOR A MILD IN THIS PLACES.
>> THE SECOND AREA OF FOCUS AND IF I MISS ONE THAT YOU THINK IS SIGNIFICANT, JUST COME BACK AT ME.
BUT IN MY THINKING, WE MAINLY LOOK AT IT NEXT, I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THESE IN MY HEAD.
BUT THERE IS JUNE PATIENT SERVICE IS DOWN.
WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS AN INCREASE FROM ABOUT $10, 000, SO THAT'S JUST TO PASS THROUGH.
WHILE THIS HAS BEEN PROBABLY STILL ONE OF THE BEST THING IN TERMS OF SMOOTH DISPATCHER, RESPONSIVE APPARATUS.
HAVE FIRE TWO WEEKS [INAUDIBLE] SYCAMORE.
WE HAD THE REQUISITE OF A FIRE JUST [INAUDIBLE] GETTING LUCKY.
THE DISPATCH, OUR PART OF THE BARGAIN IS WE ARE PAYING FOR ONE OF THIS PACKAGE IF ONE WE GET IT.
WE ITEMIZED BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE.
THEN ON TOP OF IT THEY'RE GOING TO GET 10 PERCENT ADDING ACROSS.
WHILE IT WAS ALWAYS BEING AGGRESSIVE IN PUSHING FOR OTHERS TO PAY FOR WHAT THEY DO.
WE'VE BEEN PUSHING BACK ALL THE TIME INCESSANTLY, BUT OCCASIONALLY IT MAKES SENSE TO GET MODERN, WE'LL GET MUCH MORE.
>> JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT PAGE 10.
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>> COMMUNICATIONS ARE [INAUDIBLE] COME I REMEMBER I HAD TO POLICE PAGE 10.
I'M SORRY, AT THE BOTTOM. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH, IT'S THE SECOND PART.
>> I DON'T WANT HIM GETTING BACK ON HIS BUDDY.
>> THANK YOU. I'VE GOT THIS DOWN PRETTY MATURE.
THEN THE LAST BIG INCREASE WE TRIED TO ADVISE COUNCIL BUT I ALWAYS BACK IT UP SO MUCH, IS THERE A FOUNDATION SHIFT? [INAUDIBLE] SHIFT IS NOT SO MUCH OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, HOW WE'RE DOING. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
BASICALLY OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE'VE BEEN BENEFITING FROM ANOTHER MARKET PRICING.
THE PARAMEDIC WAS THIRD PARTY PROVIDER, EXPECTED TO UNDERSTAND THEIR PEOPLE, THE INTERNALS OF HAVING STEPPED UP AND BASICALLY AND MORE FOR THEM TO PAY LOAN.
AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE A YEAR-AND-A-HALF BEFORE THIS THING TOURS OR EXPIRES, WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PREEMPTIVELY, GIVEN A BAND EXTEND WITH THEM.
WE WILL EXTEND THE CONTRACT UP TO FIVE YEARS.
THEY WILL IN TURN AGREE TO LOSE THE [INAUDIBLE].
FIRST PROVIDE A THIRD AMBULANCE.
WE'RE HERE NEXT YEAR TALKING TO WHY ARE DEWORMING AND ALVEOLUS WILL LIKELY BE PLACED WITH THEIR NEW FIRE STATION, OF COURSE WHICH IS CLOSER TO US.
NOW HAVE A BRAND AND PHYTOCHROME ALSO.
SECOND, THAT NEW CONTRACT GOING FORWARD ON A TOTAL BASIS IS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.
WILLEY IS TAKING THAT $800,000, SO OCCUPIER LONG-TERM STEP UP WOULD BE ABOUT $70, 000 FULL-TIME ON TOP.
ONGOING THIS LIFE. I THINK IT'S $70, 000 IN 12 MONTHS.
AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY ENDING AT THE END.
IT WAS HALFWAY THROUGH, SO WE'RE NOT PAYING BEFORE ABOUT 48 OR NINE.
BOTTOM LINE THOUGH, WE HAVE TWO CHOICES.
EITHER WE BREAK OR STEP UP, AND EVERYONE IS STEPPING UP GETTING IN COLORATION TO THAT SAME [INAUDIBLE].
COLLIN COUNTY, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IT FORMS THROUGH THE COMMISSIONERS, PHILOSOPHERS AND PAST VIOLATES.
GENERAL MANAGER HAS TO BE SPENDING THE NEXT PERIOD OF TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR GOING THROUGH CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS.
WHILE HE WAS PURCHASING DEPARTMENT WILL BE ABLE TO CONSENT.
TO HAVE INPUT DURING PROCESSES THAT BRING EVERYBODY COPIES OF OUR COUNTY'S SOLUTIONS [INAUDIBLE].
OUR OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS TO TEAM UP WITH MAYBE LUCAS OR MAYBE THE BURPING.
BUT NOW WE HAVE TWO FROM MEYER.
WHAT'S THE THIRD COMING IN NEXT APRIL? WILLEY PROVIDES US, BY THE WAY IT'S FREE OF CHARGE TO BACKUP BANK ITSELF.
WHEN I WAS PRESENTING TO CAMPUS LEVEL STRATEGIC PLAN, I INDICATED THAT THAT GIVES US THE BASIS NUMBER MAGNUS IS ACTUALLY EXCEEDS MOST OF THE CITIES AROUND US, SO WE DO GROW THAT WAY.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THE ENTIRE COALITION POPULATION GROWS AT 6, 000 NOW.
YOU WANTED TO ADD THE CURVES, REALLY PUTTING OUT AHEAD.
IF WE WOULD OBTAIN WITH MURPHY OR LIVE LUCAS, WE HAVEN'T SCRAMBLE FOR THAT DAY TO DAY.
WE CAN DO BETTER TALKING TO THE CHIEF STEPHEN LUCAS.
RIGHT NOW THROUGH THEM ARE LOSING OPERATION.
IT COST THEM JUST FOR PEOPLE OVER THE AMOUNT YOU'RE ACTUALLY RECEIVING IN REVENUES.
BUT DIFFERENTLY IN COSTS IT WILL BREAK EVEN WITH ABOUT 200.
CONTRIBUTE [NOISE] BREAK EVEN.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS ALWAYS GOING TO STAY WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
SERVICES THAT ARE EXEMPLARY, THE TRAINING PERIOD, MOTHER'S BASEMENT.
YOU'RE MUCH CLOSER TO OUR CITY, THE ENGINE PARTS OF OUR CITY [INAUDIBLE].
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IN A NUTSHELL, THOSE THREE ITEMS ARE ALL SENT SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN SOME SMALL CHANGES.>> THE TWO BACKUP AMBULANCES THAT WE GET FROM WILLEY IS BECAUSE WE SUBSCRIBE TO THIS PROGRAM SERVICE?
>> YES. THE HISTORY HERE, GOING BACK ABOUT SIX YEARS AND ENCOURAGING US IN $1,000 LESS THAN I REALLY LIKED TO PUT IN A SECOND.
IT IS NOT SIGNIFICANT BUT [INAUDIBLE] SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES [INAUDIBLE].
I SAID YOU LOVE DOING THEM WHAT YOU DO FOR ME, HOW [INAUDIBLE] DISCUSSED IT OVERTIME INNOVATE.
[INAUDIBLE] THEM TO WORK WITH US AND US TO WORK WITH THEM THE FIXED COST FOR THEM.
THEY CHARGE OUR CITIZENS FOR THE TRANSPORT [INAUDIBLE]
>> SO WITH THE IDEAS, GOING TO BOARD WITH THIS JUST LIKE YOU MENTIONED PARTNERING WITH THEM WITH ONE AMBULANCE.
I'M ASSUMING IF THEY HAVE AN EMERGENCY IN THEIR CITY, THEY WANT AN AMBULANCE, WE HAVE ONE AT THE SAME TIME, AND THERE IS NO AMBULANCE.
WHAT WOULD OCCUR IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT?
>> LIKE THAT, WE WOULD BE SCRAMBLING TO FIND THE NUMBER [INAUDIBLE] AUTOMATIC AID.
WE WILL BE ASKING IF WE HAVE A DISPATCHER WHEN THEY ASKED ME TO DO THIS WOULD BE ASKED LUCAS ESSEC.
WHETHER HE'S AVAILABLE? DOES HE HAVE A PLANE OVER AFFORDABILITY? [INAUDIBLE] UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THE EXCEPTIONAL [INAUDIBLE] WE HAVE A JOINT.
WE HAVE A COORDINATED DISPATCH.
WE CAN SEE THAT EVERYWHERE EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME COMPUTER.
IN ORDER TO PROCEED MANUALS, FAIRVIEW MURPHY, IS OVERWHELMING UNLESS WE HAVE COUNTY AND PLAYERS SPECIFICALLY THEY ARE REALLY CHEAP, BY THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO LET ME SET IT UP DOORS TO US THAT TAKES TIME.
IT'S NOT SAYING THAT IT WON'T, THEY JUST TAKE.
WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A CASCADING SEQUENCE WHEN AND WHERE ANIMALS IS NOT THERE, THE OTHER ANGLES GO. IT'S JUST.
>> SERIOUSLY INCREASE THE RESPONSE TIME ON SITUATIONS.
WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> YEAH. WE'VE EXPERIENCED THAT [INAUDIBLE].
>>HER MEDICAL CALLS ARE INCREASING.
>>YEAH. OUR MEDICAL CALLS ARE ABOUT HALF THE NUMBER OF CALLS AND WE'RE GOING TO DO [INAUDIBLE] ABOUT THAT. [INAUDIBLE]
>>SO YOU HAVE TESTIFIED THOSE CONTINUING TO INCREASE?
YES. WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN [INAUDIBLE] WE'VE SEEN SPIKE UP.
LAST YEAR YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT THE CLUSTER THAT 3DS AND GERMANY NUMBERS.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE BY TWO THINGS IN THE NUMBER OF CALLS PER SE.
SO WE'RE SEEING THE TRAJECTORY INCREASE, BUT ALSO THE TRAJECTORY OF CALLS INCREASES.
THAT'S MORE COMPELLING IN TERMS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON POPULATION AND IT'S MORE CONCERNING TO ME TO MAKE SURE THAT TWO THINGS ARE BETTER.
NUMBER ONE, [INAUDIBLE] PARAMEDICS THEN FIRST AND WE ARE GOING TO CALL EMTS FIRST [INAUDIBLE] AND THEN SAID NO, GOT IT RIGHT [INAUDIBLE].
THERE'S A VALID 11-MINUTE RESPONSE TIME FROM THE ANIMALS, IT'S LONGER THAN THEY KNOW AND CRITICAL TRANSFERS THEY JUST DON'T KNOW.
IT'S THEORETICAL SCIENCE. OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE GETTING HERE AT ABOUT SIX MINUTES, IT'S ONLY LIKE A FIVE-MINUTE WINDOW.
WE'RE ABLE TO WITH WITH INTERACT PATIENT NOW, FIVE [INAUDIBLE] IF NECESSARY.
SO I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE US CHANGE THIS OR NEEDING MORE ACTUALLY IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS [INAUDIBLE].
WELL, THEN SINCE I CAN'T [INAUDIBLE] CALLED CATHOLIC BASIS EVEN COMFORTABLE, PROBABLY MORE COMFORTABLE WITH NO [INAUDIBLE] IN THIS AREA THAT [INAUDIBLE] WE SEE THE RAMP.
>> WOULD YOU EXPLAIN AGAIN WHY WE DO NOT BILL INSURANCE WHEN WE DO AN AMBULANCE TRAIL?
>>WELL, JUST BECAUSE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES, YOU'D HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. [INAUDIBLE].
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>>KEVIN, EACH NAME SENDING TO YOU WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE HERE.
TYPICALLY, YOU'LL HAVE TO KEEP ON TOP OF THAT.
SO YOU GOT TO GO BACK EVEN THERE, MAKE SURE YOU'RE WATCHING THE CLAIMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
>>THAT'S JUST A QUESTION. I GET A LOT.
>>WELL, I THINK THEY'RE ABLE TO CUT SOME OF THEIR COSTS TO US BECAUSE THEY'RE GIVING UP THEIR BILLING.
WHY WE FILL IN THEIR PARAMEDIC'S GLOSSARY, WHATEVER, THEY'RE BILLING? SO THAT COMES BACK ON OUR COST.
SO THEY'RE GETTING THAT ONE, KEEPS AT LEAST 1500 CALLS A BREAK-BEAT.
>>SO THEIR INSURANCE IS GETTING BILLED.
IT'S JUST GETTING BILLED TO THE COMPANY AND OFFSETTING THE COST OF THE WORK PACK?
>>YES. THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW IT WORKS.
>>YOU GENERALLY THINK [INAUDIBLE] DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH [INAUDIBLE] TO RECEIVE AND PAY FOR CLIENT'S IMPORTANT [INAUDIBLE].
IT'S PROBABLY [INAUDIBLE] CRITICAL AND THEN RECEIVING MEDICATION [INAUDIBLE].
>>ALL I KNOW IS WE WERE DOING PRETTY GOOD [INAUDIBLE].
>> [INAUDIBLE] THREE THINGS, REMODELING THE FIRE STATION IS CRITICAL YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO WHAT YOU DO [INAUDIBLE].
RIGHT NOW I HAVE A FEMALE FIREFIGHTER WHO'S GOING TO SHIP WITH US REGULAR BASIS FOR SHARING INNOVATIONS.
MY PERSONAL RESPONSE TO HER IS LIKELY TO SIMPLY TO TAKE THE LOBBY WHERE WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE] TWO SEPARATE ROOMS. USE ONE OF THE TWO BEDROOMS NOW [NOISE] BECOMING OFFICE.
[INAUDIBLE] SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS BASICALLY PROVIDE A WOMAN WITH SOME ELECTRIC PANEL.
LET'S ACQUIRE THEM, BUY THEM [INAUDIBLE] FIRE PROTECTIONS.
WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THE CARPETING IN YEARS.
SO EVEN LOOKING AT A REFRESHED.
LASTLY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE I WANTED TO POINT OUT TO THE COUNCIL, WOULDN'T BE A COSMETIC CHANGE, COULD BE A MATURITY.
ANYWAY. I'D LIKE TO TAKE OUR TRAINING.
[INAUDIBLE] OUR FIREFIGHTERS STAY HERE.
EACH OF THEM HAS THIS LITTLE PLASTIC [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE] ENDING IN ANOTHER SENTENCE.
SO THE OTHER THING IS NO CARAVAN AND THAT PROBLEM.
WE NEED A PLACE TO STORE THEM AND YOU PLACE IT IN THERE.
IF I CUT IT IN HALF, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE PART OF YOUR BACKUP.
COUNSEL [INAUDIBLE] THE POINT I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.
IF I CAN'T CUT THAT TRAINING, THEN I NEED TO COME UP WITH [INAUDIBLE] I NEED MORE SHIFTS.
>> HOW LONG IS AN AVERAGE SHIFT FOR OUR PART TIME FIREFIGHTER? BUT THERE'S STILL [OVERLAPPING].
OKAY. RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TWO ROOMS THAT ARE BEING DEDICATED [INAUDIBLE] THREE PEOPLE.
SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES.
>>I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THIS JUST FROM THE STANDPOINT OF I KNOW ARE THESE CARPET I KNOW THAT THESE THINGS ARE NEEDED.
BUT I LOOKED AT CHEAP BROOKS, IT'S A TRAILER AND WE HAVEN'T RESOLVED THAT CIRCUMSTANCE YET.
SO IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO JUSTIFY REMODELING A FIRE STATION, [LAUGHTER] WHILE OUR BABY IS STILL IN THE TRAILER.
SO I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME JUSTIFYING THAT OUT THERE.
THERE'S NOT OTHER OPTION, BUNK BEDS IN THE OFFICE THAT YOU HAD.
I MEAN, YOU WOULD HAVE TWO ROOMS YOU COULD BUMP THAT OUT ONE MOMENT AND THE OTHER ROOM WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE FEMALE THAT YOU HAVE CURRENTLY.
>>WELL, TYPICALLY IF I'M IN THE CHAIN OF THE OFFICE WHERE THE OFFICERS SLEEP SEPARATELY [INAUDIBLE] SO YOU'VE GOT TO RECOGNIZE ALL THE OPERATOR'S CITY THAT HASN'T YET.
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>>FIGHTING INFLATION. WE'RE FIGHTING ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS STRUGGLING.
WE'RE FIGHTING THE CONSISTENCE OF MEETING OTHER ASSEMBLIES.
IT'S HARD TO STOMACH $20 THOUSAND REMODELED TO A BUILDING THAT IS THE NEWEST ONE ON THE ENTIRE CAMPUS.
SO I KNOW IT NEEDS. I WALKED IN, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE FOUND A SOLUTION THERE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
>> WELL, IF THE SOLUTION MAKES SENSE, [INAUDIBLE] CARPETING, THAT'S OKAY.
I WANT TO GET THEM SEPARATED. SO [INAUDIBLE]
>>WHAT WOULD A CAUTIOUS TO PUT UP A WALL AND THERE HE COULD EVEN HAVE KIND OF A TEMPLATE.
JUST DID THEN THAT WAY, AS OPPOSED TO THE 20TH, IT WAS FINE GRAIN JUST TO PUT A TEMP WALL IN THERE TO HAVE QUARTERS.
>> WELL, I THINK WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE PLAN OF TRIANGULAR BECAUSE THAT IS THE BACKUP COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOR THE 85 ELECTIONS THAT WE SEND TO HOLD HERE IN THIS ROOM IS TAKEN, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT AS OUR NEW.
RIGHT NOW AND FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, THAT IS OUR CITY BUSINESS HAS TO STILL GIVE A DILIGENT LIFE.
>> OKAY. SO LET'S BREAK THIS INTO SIZE TRUCKS.
THE FIRST PART IS MAKING SURE THAT I HAVE INDIVIDUALS [INAUDIBLE].
I ALSO THINK IT'S A LIABILITY TO HAVE [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE].
THE SECOND CHANCE WILL BE TRAINING THEM [INAUDIBLE] REFRESH. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S THE LEAST IMPORTANT OF THE PRIORITIES.
LET US TRY TO THINK ABOUT SOME OTHER WAYS TO STORE THAT STUFF.
[INAUDIBLE] USING THAT TRAINING ROOM.
THEN LET'S FOCUS ON GETTING THE IMPORTERS [INAUDIBLE] SEEKING ACCOMMODATION.
WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT 5-$6,000.
BARRY, DID THAT GUY EVER GIVE US AN IDEA?
>> WE NEEDED SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER FOLLOWED UP ON IT.
>> HANG ON Y'ALL. SORRY, WE'RE GOING TO GAVE TO PAUSE.
WE'VE LOST CINDY FOR A MINUTE. SORRY.
>> IT'S OKAY. GLAD YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION. [LAUGHTER]
>> I SAW SHE WAS ON THE PHONE BUT THEN I DIDN'T SEE SHE CUT OFF.
>> I TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. SHE WAS HAVING TROUBLE HEARING IN REAL TIME.
>> OKAY, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. I GOT TO GO MAKE SURE THEY GOT WATER.
>> [INAUDIBLE] DOESN'T HAVE WATER.
>> YES. I KNOW THAT BECAUSE ONE OF MY TEAM IS UP THERE AND THEY HAD TWO WELLS SUPPORTING THEIR FACILITIES AND ONE OF THOSE WELLS WAS HAVING SOME PROBLEMS. YEAH, THEY'RE HAVING ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS UP THERE.
>> THEY'RE TELLING YOU NOT TO SHOWER.
>> OR AS THEY CALL IT GUTTER UP THERE.
>> I SAW ALLEN HAS WATER RATIONING.
ARE WE DOING THAT [INAUDIBLE].
[INAUDIBLE] CAN YOU HEAR US NOW?
>> GETTING ALL KINDS OF FEEDBACK.
>> WE NEED [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER].
>> YEAH, WELL, THAT DOES THAT.
>> THERE WAS A STORY OUT OF OKLAHOMA DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY.
A GUY WAS TRYING TO FILL HIS POOL AND THEY HAVE A WATER RESTRICTION, SO YOU COULDN'T FILL THE NEW POOL.
THERE WAS A BRUSH FIRE THAT HAPPENED TO OCCUR FIVE FEET FROM HIS POOL.
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THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TABLE TO PUT IT OUT.OF COURSE, [INAUDIBLE] DRAINED INTO THE POOL. [LAUGHTER]
>> ACTUALLY PRETTY SMART. [BACKGROUND].
>> IS THAT ROCKY MOUNTAIN NATIONAL PARK?
>> HAVE YOU EVER GONE ON UP INTO THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> OH MAN, THAT'S MY FAVORITE PARK.
KAYAKING ON THE LAKE. LOOK HOW CLEAR THAT WATER IS.
>> OH MAN. YEAH, RAFTING DOWN THE RIVER.
>> HANG ON, SHE'S GOT TO OFFICIALLY RECONVENE US.
>> I WAS TALKING ABOUT CUTTING [INAUDIBLE] IF THAT'S OKAY WITH COUNCIL.
PERHAPS WE CAN PRESS THAT NUMBER DOWN TO FIVE OR $6,000.
>> WHAT DID IT COST TO BUILD HIS OFFICE?
>> IT WAS NOT MORE THAN A FEW $100.
>> WELL, THE TEXTURING GUY WAS THE MOST EXPENSIVE.
>> IT WAS LESS THAN A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
>> I MEAN, COULD WE APPLY THE SAME PRINCIPLE.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO GET YOU THE GREATEST, BUT IT GIVES YOU WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
THE SAME THAT WE DID FOR HIS OFFICE.
TAKE IT TO WHERE IT'S CHEAPER.
>> WE BUILT HIM AN OFFICE FROM SCRATCH.
>> WE BUILD IT. THEY JUST PICK THE RANDOM PEOPLE TO GET IT DONE.
>> LIKE YOU FOUND OUR GUYS THAT COULD DO IT AND THEY DO SOME DRYWALL.
>> BOBBY USED TO BUILD HOUSES.
>> I'M A RENTER [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER].
>> IS THERE A REASON WE COULDN'T DO SOMETHING SIMILAR?
>> [INAUDIBLE] WE CAN DO IT DURING THE WINTERTIME.
>> IT'S AN ISSUE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> [INAUDIBLE] I WILL TELL YOU THAT.
>> THEY'RE SLEEPING AND THEY'RE NOT LIVING IN THERE, SO IT SEEMS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE FINE.
>> WOULD IT BE THE BEST THING TO CONTRACT OUT THE ELECTRICAL PART OF IT?
>> OH NO, THAT'S THE FUN PART.
[LAUGHTER] DROP A COUPLE OF EXTENSION CORDS FROM THE CEILING AND YOU'RE GOOD. [LAUGHTER]
>> JUST REMEMBER, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE JUNCTION BOX TURNED OFF [INAUDIBLE].
>> WELL, THAT'S A NEWER BUILDING OVER THERE. IT SHOULD BE EASIER.
>> ISN'T IT WHEN YOU HAVE THE WHITE WIRE OR THE BLACK WIRE BUT SOMETIMES THEY CONFUSE THE WIRES COMPLETELY [INAUDIBLE].
>> THERE'S AN OLD BUILDING DOWN HERE, THE GREEN WIRE IS HOT.
>> SERIOUSLY. YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IN THAT BUILDING. THE GREEN WIRE IS HOT.
>> THAT'S SOMEBODY WHO'S THINKING CHRISTMAS COLORS.
>> OR COLORBLIND, ONE OF THE TWO.
>> OH, THAT METAL BUILDING? YEAH, THAT WAS IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT [INAUDIBLE].
IT'S PROBABLY WHAT HAPPENS [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THIS DONE.
>> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
LOOK AT IT FIRST AND GET AN IDEA OF WHAT MATERIALS WILL COST.
>> MAYBE TWO GRAND JUST IN [OVERLAPPING].
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING?
>> JUST THE OFFICE [INAUDIBLE], RIGHT? [OVERLAPPING].
>> PUT A WALL IN THERE, WALL THAT OFF.
YOU'LL NEED TWO WALLS THERE, WON'T YOU?
>> WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT EGRESS FROM THOSE ROOMS? BECAUSE THOSE WINDOWS DON'T OPEN.
>> THERE YOU GO. THEY'RE FIREFIGHTERS, THEY CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
>> I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY GETTING HURT.
I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY GETTING HURT IN THE BUILDING.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT EGRESS FOR THE WINDOWS?
>> BECAUSE THOSE IT WAS ONE OF THOSE DON'T OPEN.
THEY'D HAVE TO BUST THROUGH THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
[OVERLAPPING] A SLEEPING QUARTER IS REQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT.
>> DO THE OFFICES THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN USING THE SLEEPING QUARTERS AND DO THOSE WINDOWS OPEN?
>> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ADDRESS.
>> WE SHOULD PUT HAMMERS IN A GLASS CASE.
>> YEAH, THEY'RE FIREFIGHTERS. THEY GET IN [INAUDIBLE] GET OUT IN AN EMERGENCY. WE SHOULD ADDRESS THIS.
>> LITTLE SLEDGEHAMMERS IN A GLASS CASE IN EACH ROOM.
>> RIGHT OFF THE WALL AND INTO THE WINDOW.
>> YEAH, THEY CAN FIGURE THIS OUT.
>> NO PRACTICE ROOMS. [LAUGHTER]
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>> WHO RESPONDS IF OUR FIRE STATION IS ON FIRE? [LAUGHTER]
>> THEY JUST PUT IT OUT FROM THE INSIDE.
[LAUGHTER] DON'T WANT TO [INAUDIBLE].
>> YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO BE WHO CALLS 911 FOR THE 911?
>> YEARS AGO, A VERY ANGRY PERSON THREW A FIREBOMB INTO THE [INAUDIBLE] FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY PUT IT OUT BUT THEY WERE FURIOUS BECAUSE THEY WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A POKER TOURNAMENT.
>> WE KEEP RUNNING INTO THOSE FIRE NUGGETS THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY.
>> FOUR THOUSAND, IF WE TENTATIVELY PUT THAT IN THERE, YOU THINK.
>> I THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK.
>> I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY MAKE THAT WORK. I MEAN.
>> USED CAMPER ONLINE [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER].
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>> JUST CONFIRMATION ON THE DEFIBRILLATOR, THE RECURRING COST.
THE 8,000 IS TOTAL, OR IS THAT THE ADDITIONAL COST?
>> THAT'S TOTAL. SO IT'S AN ADDITIONAL 6,000?
>> ADDITIONAL 6,000. [OVERLAPPING] I WASN'T SURE HOW TO PUT IT ON.
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>> ANYTHING ELSE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? AGAIN, I THINK WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN WE HAD TO BREAK UP THE LAST TIME.
I DON'T THINK CHIEF BROOKS GOT TO FINISH HIS PRESENTATION.
>> I THINK WE'VE JUST GOT TO DO QUESTIONS.
>> I THINK WE'RE ON THE SUPPLEMENTALS, AND THAT WAS MY FAULT. I APOLOGIZE.
>> LIKE WHAT CURRENT CASES WE HAVE OPEN.
>> THERE WAS A QUESTION ON THAT.
>> CURRENTLY, WE HAVE A THEFT OF PROPERTY, $2,500 AND $30,000.
WE HAVE A DEATH INVESTIGATION.
WE HAVE A PROPERTY, CREDIT CARD ABUSE, RECKLESS DAMAGE, FRAUD; [NOISE] THEFT,100,000-200,000; MISAPPROPRIATION OF FIDUCIARY FINANCE PROPERTY, 100,000-200,000; CRIMINAL MISCHIEF, $100-750, DRIVING WHILE INTOXICATED SECOND, FRAUD, USE OR POSSESSION OF IDENTIFYING INFORMATION, FRAUD, USE OR POSSESSION OF IDENTIFYING INFORMATION, DRIVING WHILE INTOXICATED, EVADING ARREST AND DETENTION, RECOVERED STOLEN VEHICLE, DRIVING WHILE INTOXICATED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, RECKLESS DAMAGE OR DESTRUCTION, ASSAULT CAUSES BODILY INJURY, FAMILY VIOLENCE, BURGLARY OF A HABITATION, INFORMATION REPORT, INCIDENT REPORT; THEFT OF PROPERTY, 20,000-100,000, AND DRIVING WHILE INTOXICATED ARE THE CURRENT OPEN CASES.
I ASKED BOLES OR PRICE, OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS, HOW MUCH TIME THEY'VE SPENT DOING INVESTIGATIVE WORK.
THEY TOLD ME IT'S ABOUT 89 HOURS THAT THEY SPENT WORKING IN CIV-RELATED STUFF.
NOW REMEMBER, BOLES, WHO IS PART-TIME, [NOISE] IN HIS 80 HOURS OF PATROL IN A MONTH.
HE'S ABOUT APPROACHING THAT NUMBER IN A MONTH TO TWO MONTHS, OR MAYBE A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT AS FAR AS HIM ESTIMATING HOW MUCH TIME HE'S SPENDING IN CIV.
BUT ALSO, THIS POSITION WOULD BE LIKE EVERY OTHER POSITION IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE REPLACE HIM AND HE IS A DETECTIVE WHO WORKS 8:00-5:00, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, IN THE MONTH OF JULY, OF THE 31 DAYS, WE'VE HAD 18 SHIFTS ON DAY SHIFT, WHERE THERE'S ONLY ONE PATROL OFFICER WORKING.
THAT'S BEEN BACKFILLED BY MYSELF OR PRICE.
HE WOULD THEN ASSUME TO BACKFILL THE POSITION IN PATROL WHEN PATROL NEEDS HELP, SO IT'S ANOTHER ADDITIONAL HELP.
FOR EXAMPLE, YESTERDAY, MICHELLE WAS OFF FOR A MEDICAL THING WITH HER FAMILY, AND ONE OF THE TWO OFFICERS ASSIGNED CALLED IN SICK.
THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE WERE ME AND THE PATROL OFFICER.
WHEN WE GOT TO WORK, 20-202 HAD A FRONT TIRE COMPLETELY FLAT, SO WE HAD TO AIR IT UP AND TAKE IT TO THE SHOP.
SO TREY VOLUNTEERED TO HELP ME TAKE THE CAR TO THE SHOP.
DURING THAT PERIOD, FROM HERE TO ALLEN, WE HAD ONE PERSON.
NO ONE IN THE BUILDING, AND ONE PERSON WORKING.
THIS POSITION WOULD HELP IN THOSE CASES.
OVER THIS MONTH, WE'VE GOT 18 SHIFTS, WHERE IT NEEDED TO BE BACKFILLED BY SOMEBODY, AND THIS WOULD HELP DO THAT.
WHAT YOU'RE EVALUATING IS TITLE OF INVESTIGATOR, AND UNDERSTAND THAT IN A MONTH, HE'S NOT GOING TO SPEND THE ENTIRE TIME JUST DOING INVESTIGATIVE WORK.
HE'S GOING TO WEAR MULTIPLE HATS AND FILLING WORK IN.
WITH THE WAY ALL OF IT IS MOVING, PRICE AND I, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ONE DAY A WEEK TOGETHER, THE OTHER DAYS WERE SEPARATE.
THAT HAS REDUCED OUR ABILITY TO TAKE CARS TO THE SHOP BECAUSE WE LOST THAT SECOND PERSON THAT WAS THERE WILLING TO DRIVE 8:00-5:00.
SO NOW YOU HAVE TO GET SOMEONE ELSE TO HELP YOU.
CHARLIE IS HELPING HERE, SOME PEOPLE HELP.
IF WE HAVE ANOTHER PERSON, IT'S PROBABLY [INAUDIBLE].
>> OKAY. ARE YOU IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING AN OFFICER TO FILL THAT POSITION NOW?
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>> OKAY. THAT WILL HELP ON SOME OF THAT?
>> THAT POSITION IS LIKELY TO BE THE BACKFILL PERSON ON THAT SHIFT.
WHEN THEY TAKE OFF, THAT PERSON'S GOING TO FIT.
THAT POSITION ON THE CHART IS GOING BACK TO [INAUDIBLE] THIS POSITION WOULD BE A FULL-TIME INVESTIGATOR WHO WOULD ALSO ASSIST US IN BACKFILLING THE DAY SHIFT, WHICH REDUCES THE NUMBER OF TIMES WHERE WE HAVE ONE PERSON [INAUDIBLE] BUT ON TOP OF THAT, WHEN I BACKFILL, THEN MY RESPONSIBILITIES ARE DELAYED, WHATEVER COMES ON.
SAME THING WITH PRICE. WHEN HE BACKFILLS, LIKE RIGHT NOW, HE'S TRYING TO HIRE AGAIN, SO HE NEEDS TO BE WORKING ON HIS BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION WORK ABOUT THE MAN THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON, BUT THEN WHEN SOMEONE CALLS IN SICK AND HE HAS TO BACKFILL PATROLLING, HE DOESN'T GET TO DO THAT FOR THAT 10 HOURS HE'S WORKING THAT DAY BECAUSE OF YESTERDAY EVENTS, OR AT LEAST HALF OF THAT.
SO INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO DEDICATE HIS FULL TIME TO THAT POSITION.
HE HAS TO GO ANSWER CALLS, WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE AND BACKFILL THOSE TIMES.
EVERYBODY WEARS MULTIPLE HATS IN THIS POSITION.
IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT PROVING THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH WORK FOR HIM, THEN I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THERE IS ENOUGH WORK FOR THIS PERSON.
>> I'M LOOKING AT IT MAYBE VERY SIMPLISTICALLY, BUT IF IT WAS, YOU SAID IT WAS WHAT? EIGHT-NINE HOURS? WE'LL CALL IT 90 HOURS.
IF IT WAS ONE PERSON, THAT'S THEIR TOTAL WORK TIME, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING TO SAY IT THAT WAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND NOT EVERYBODY WORKS.
BUT IF YOU TOOK ONE PERSON, IT WOULD ONLY BE 20 PERCENT OF THEIR TIME, WITH THOSE 89 HOURS, OVER THEIR TOTAL WORK TIME, SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE HEARTBURN WITH IT, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU.
[BACKGROUND] WELL, YOU SAID IT WAS 89 HOURS, RIGHT? SO 89 HOURS.
IF YOU TAKE 365 TIMES 10 OR 8, WHAT IS THEIR HOURLY? IF IT'S EIGHT HOURS, IT'S ABOUT 20 PERCENT.
IF IT'S 10 HOURS, IT'S LESS THAN THAT BECAUSE 365 DAYS, YES, THERE ARE SOME TIMES OFF, I'M DOING BALLPARK FIGURES IN MY HEAD, [NOISE] BUT IT'S ABOUT 20 PERCENT OF ONE PERSON'S TIME, IF MY NUMBERS MAKE SENSE.
[NOISE] THAT'S WHERE I THINK, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M HAVING HEARTBURN WITH IT.
IT'S TOUGH BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE A QUARTER OF A PERSON.
I GET IT. [LAUGHTER] I UNDERSTAND.
FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU'RE SAYING, "LOOK, WE'RE FULL, AND WE'RE DOING A LOT OF WORK RIGHT NOW, AND THAT 20 PERCENT OF A PERSON, WE ALL HAVE TO ABSOLVE SOMEHOW," AND THAT'S WHY PRICE IS DOING SOME, YOU'RE DOING SOME, OTHER GUYS ARE DOING SOME.
MICHELLE AND TREY IS HELPING OUT TO RUN SOMEWHERE OR GARY'S PEOPLE.
BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN IS THAT, THAT OTHER 75 PERCENT OF THAT PERSON, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE HEARTBURN.
NOW I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, BUT OTHER FOLKS COULD JUMP IN.
>> I CAN'T HEAR A THING, I'M SORRY. [LAUGHTER]
>> YOUR AUDIO IS [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]
>> I'M SORRY. MY VOICE USUALLY CARRIES LIKE A DRUNKEN SAILOR BUT I CAN TALK LOUDER.
I WAS JUST SAYING, CINDY, THAT MY CALCULATIONS ARE BALLPARK AT BACK OF THE ENVELOPE, WHICH I DO ALL THE TIME.
I'M SAYING THAT THE AMOUNT OF HOURS FOR INVESTIGATION WAS 89 HOURS.
OUT OF THAT 89 HOURS A FULL-TIME OFFICERS TIME, IT WOULD ONLY BE 20 PERCENT OF THAT PERSON'S FULL-TIME LEVY, IF YOU WILL.
FROM CHIEF'S PERSPECTIVE, I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE HE'S HAVING TO SPREAD THAT WORK IN ADDITION TO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING, SO THE 20 PERCENT PUTS EVERYBODY IN OVERLOAD SITUATION.
BUT FROM A COUNSEL PERSPECTIVE AND LOOKING AT THINGS I DO IN MY GIG EVERY DAY, THAT 20 PERCENT, IT MEANS THERE'S 80 PERCENT OF A PERSON THAT ESSENTIALLY WOULD BE OPEN, IF YOU WILL.
CHIEF BROOKS HAS A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE COVERED, I UNDERSTAND.
BUT I JUST WAS TRYING TO BALLPARK IT IN MY MIND.
EVERYBODY ELSE CAN TALK. THAT'S MY TWO CENTS WORTH.
>> BUT ALSO LOOK AT THE RESERVE COMPONENT AND THE VOLUNTEER COMPONENT AND TRY TO GET THESE ANCILLARY THINGS DONE, THOSE ALL COST MONEY.
IN MY OPINION, THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK OF THAT 11,100,000 DOLLARS EXPENDED BY THE CITY IS TO GET THIS FULL TIME EMPLOYEE.
THEN YOU TRY TO BRING ALL THOSE SUPPLEMENTAL PROGRAM IN A SLOWER MANNER THAT BACKS YOU FOR LATER PERIODS OF TIME.
BUT WORKING THE CITY OF PARKER WITH TWO PEOPLE AND FOR HOW WE GOING? FIFTY MINUTES, WE'RE GOING OUT OF THE CITY, THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON HERE.
NOBODY AT THE MEETING ADVERTISES WE'RE OPENING [INAUDIBLE].
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THERE'S NO ONE IN THE BUILDING AND ONE PERSON ON THE STREET.THAT'S PROBLEMATIC FOR ME AS THE CHIEF TRYING TO ADDRESS WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
DOING THIS WILL HELP BACK FILL THAT POSITION WE COULD GET ONE PERSON IN THAT POSITION, IT WOULD HELP.
ADDITIONALLY, TO BE A GOOD INVESTIGATOR, YOU HAVE TO SPEND SOME TIME TRAINING AND WORKING WITH OTHER AGENCIES AND BUILDING NETWORKS.
THAT'S NOT FACTORED IN THE NEWS, WE DON'T GET TO DO THAT CURRENTLY, IT WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE CITY.
WE HAVE A RANGE OF EVENT HAPPENING WHERE WE HAVE TO BRING IN [NOISE] COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE BUILT RELATIONSHIPS.
THE DA'S OFFICE WORK WITH AND KNOW THOSE PEOPLE FOR HELP FOR WHEN THE TIME COMES WHEN WE REALLY NEED HELP WE'LL BUILD THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THESE PEOPLE WHILE ALL THOSE THINGS TAKE TIME, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
FOR INSTANCE, KYLE, WHO IS OUR PART-TIME INVESTIGATOR CURRENTLY, HIS PARTNER THAT HE WAS WORKING WITH WENT OUT WITH A TORN ACL.
THAT SIX-WEEK PERIOD THAT KYLE WAS WORKING AS A PATROLMAN, HE ALSO HAD TO DO CID RELATED STAFF.
THE HALFTIME HE SPEND IN CID RELATED STAFF, THERE WAS NO ONE IN THE TRAVEL INDUSTRY IN LAST WEEK WHEN I'LL BE BACK IN THE FIELD MYSELF WHICH WE DID.
WHEN HE CAME INTO WORK, WE LEFT DOING WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AND WENT OUT AND COVER THE STREET.
ALL THAT'S GREAT, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.
>> BUT IT'S GOING TO CATCH US ONE DAY, AND WE JUST NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND [NOISE] THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE HAVE AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES WE HAVE.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, WE'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
>> I GET IT. IT'S LIKE HIGH PREMIUM INSURANCE.
YOU WANT TO HAVE IT IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, YOU'RE REALLY HAPPY THAT YOU HAD THE HIGH PREMIUM BECAUSE YOUR DEDUCTIBLES WERE LOW.
BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN IS, IF YOU DON'T, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE TIMES THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW, THEN THE OPPOSITE IS THE CASE.
AGAIN, I'M JUST ONE PERSON, I'M JUST THROWING STUFF OUT.
>> I WOULD ECHO A LOT OF THAT, AND MY CONCERN IS IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT SPENDING THE MONEY.
I UNDERSTAND THE INVESTIGATIONS.
I SET UP MULTIPLE RESERVE PROGRAMS. I KNOW WHAT THE COSTS ARE.
IN DOING SO I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MORE COST-EFFICIENT WAYS, VOLUNTARY POLICING PROGRAMS A LOT OF AGENCIES USE LIKE THOSE FOR TRANSPORT VEHICLES PRETEND THAT THERE IS NOT A VERY COMMON PRACTICE.
YOU DON'T TAKE THE DIFFERENCE IN SHOP ALL THE TIME.
BUT A LOT OF AGENCIES UTILIZE THE VOLUNTARY POLICING PROGRAM TO GET RESONANCE TO SIGN UP.
THEY COME IN, THEY GET TO WEAR THE NITRITE POLLO T-SHIRT, PUT BIG AD SERVICE STICKERS ON THE VEHICLE AND TAKING IT TO GO, WHATEVER.
A LOT OF CITIES ARE DOING THAT.
IT'S REALLY HARD IN MY MIND TO JUSTIFY A FULL-TIME OFFICER FOR INVESTIGATIONS.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS BECAUSE THERE IS A FOREIGN INVESTIGATION STUFF.
THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO IS AN INVESTIGATOR BUT THEY CAN HANDLE THE OTHER ANIMALS.
THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST IN HERE.
I SEE THAT YOU AND KENNY ARE SHARING A LOT OF DAYS IN THE AUGUST SCHEDULED FOR DONOR WORKING TOGETHER.
FIRST AND THE SECOND, YOU ARE ALL GOING TO BE WORKING ON THE SAME SHIFT.
IS THAT A FLUKE OR IS THAT GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH YOU AND KENNY MOVE TO WORKING THE SAME DATES?
>> NO. THAT'S BECAUSE MICHELLE IS ON VACATION AND I'M LEAVING ON VACATION LATER IN A WEEKS TIME, SO THERE'S TWO HERE BECAUSE MICHELLE AND I.
>> THAT ADDS IN MY MIND, YOU'RE PUTTING KYLE ON DAYS AS AN INVESTIGATOR OR WHOEVER YOU CHOOSE TO BE INVESTIGATOR, I'M MAKING AN ASSUMPTION.
THEN, YOU'RE GOING TO WANT THE OFFICER POSITION, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
YOU'RE GOING TO FILL IN WITH AN OFFICER, THEY'LL BE ANOTHER DAYTIME SHIFT OFFICER.
I LOOK AT THE SECOND WATCH THAT HAS 1, 2, 3 OFFICERS AND TWO SERGEANTS.
WE HAVE A MUCH HEAVIER DAYTIME PATROL THAN WE DO AT NIGHTTIME.
WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO REPLACE.
YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE KYLE AN INVESTIGATOR, PAUL IS AN INVESTIGATOR.
>> THEORETICALLY YOU MAY CHOOSE SOMEBODY ELSE, WHATEVER IT IS.
YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE ANOTHER OFFICER POSITION, THAT'S THE IDEA, IS YOU'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER POSITION.
THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER DAY TIME OFFICER, THAT HAS YOU, KENNY, KYLE.
THEN 1, 2 3, OFFICERS THAT YOU HAD LISTED I WON'T NECESSARILY CALL OUT THEIR NAMES,
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AND YOU HAVE ONE MORE OFFICER POSITIONS THAT YOU WOULD ADD SO THAT WOULD BE FOUR.THAT'LL BE FOUR OFFICERS PLUS THREE OTHER PEOPLE, THAT'S SEVEN PEOPLE [NOISE].
YOUR ENTIRE SECOND WATCH IS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 PEOPLE.
THE NIGHTS YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF FIVE SHIFTS BETWEEN TWO SHIFTS, DAY TIME YOU HAVE SEVEN.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A VERY HEAVY DAYTIME SHIFT.
THAT'S SEVEN PEOPLE ON ALL DAY LONG, WHERE YOUR NIGHTTIME SHIFT HAS TWO SERGEANTS PLUS 1, 2, 3 OFFICERS TO SWITCH AMONGST THOSE SERGEANTS.
WHEREAS STATISTICALLY MORE THINGS HAPPEN AT NIGHT THAN DURING THE DAY. [BACKGROUND]
>> PERSONNEL BASIC WE VIEW AS ONE BECAUSE WE SHIFT, WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING ON WEEKENDS.
WE CAN GET THOSE FIVE PEOPLE, CID PERSON, FOUR OFFICER, AND THOSE FIVE PEOPLE IN NIGHT SHIFT.
>> THE SHIFTS AS YOU'RE SAYING, IF YOU REMAIN CROSSING.
>> IN AUGUST, SHE CRIES, IT'S NOT WORKING VERTICALLY AGAIN, PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE VACATION.
WORKING THE SECOND WEEKEND OF THE MONTH, THIRD WEEKEND, HE'S NOT, HE'S TAKEN OFF.
FOURTH WEEKEND, HE'S NOT, HE TOOK OFF.
IN AUGUST SHE'S NOT WORKING SHE'S ONLY WORKING ONE WEEKEND IN THAT MONTH OF AUGUST. HOW IS THAT? LET ME SEE HER JULY SCHEDULE.
I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AROUND MY HEAD, I'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY THIS TO RESIDENTS WHO GENERALLY BASED ON THE 16 OR HOWEVER THE OPENED THE INVESTIGATION AND DON'T HAVE A DAY-TO-DAY RESPONSE WITH THE TV.
THEY DON'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE 16 INVESTIGATIONS GOING, SO THEY WANT TO KNOW WHY ARE WE AGREEING TO THE REQUEST?
>> I WASN'T COUNTING. CARRYING A COST OF $95,697 REOCCURRING IN $16,000 ONE TIME.
IF I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY, IT IS REALLY HARD TO DO WHEN I GET THAT SAME COMMENTS, BECAUSE I DO, OBVIOUSLY, WE GET TO SAY COMMENTS, EVERYBODY DOES.
ALL PARKER DOES IS SIT ON PARKER ROAD AND WRITE TICKETS.
ALL PARKER DOES IS SIT ON [INAUDIBLE] AND WRITE TICKET.
I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM ON NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE WHO MAKE THOSE SAME COMMENTS.
I SEE PATROL OFFICERS ALL OVER, I DO SEE A LOT ON DENVER, I DO SEE IT A LOT IN PARKER.
BUT THEY'RE OTHER TWO-THIRDS ACTUALLY.
AT NIGHT, THEY ARE FAR MORE SPARSE, AND THAT'S WHERE I START HEARING THE ISSUES OF WELL, WE CALL IT AND TOOK CARE OF IT AND HOW DID WE GET THERE OR THE SITUATION.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE INVESTIGATIONS OF THE MISAPPROPRIATION OF FIDUCIARY ADEPTLY PROPERTY.
THAT WE WENT TO THEM AND TOLD THEM, OH THAT'S NOT A CRIMINAL MATTER.
WHEN WE'RE DOING SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, I WOULD HOPE THE TRAINING WOULD FIX THAT IN THE FUTURE SO THAT THEY KNOW THOSE ARE CRITICAL MATTERS.
LET THEM TAKE THE NEWS TO TELL US.
BUT IT'S HARD FOR ME TO JUSTIFY THIS, PUTTING ANOTHER OFFICER ON DAYS PLUS LEAVING KYLE, AND HAVING SUCH A LIFETIME PENSION.
WHEN EVEN ON JULY 4TH, THAT WAS THE ISSUE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE AT NIGHT TO WHERE YOU HAD TO COME IN AND WORK THAT EVENING TO COVER SO THAT WE HAD THE OFFICERS ON THAT JULY 4TH.
WHY DON'T WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS, WHY ARE WE NOT USING RESERVES? THEY HAVE ASKED TO COME AND WORK AT PARKER MOST OF THEM ARE RETIRED FROM OTHER AGENCIES OR EVEN FROM PARKER.
WHY ARE WE NOT UTILIZING THEM AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE INVESTIGATORS, THAT WE CAN PROBABLY UTILIZE FREE OF CHARGE OR VERY LITTLE CHARGE.
WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THAT? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO GET BACK WITH ME ON IT.
WELL, I'LL PUT TOGETHER TWO PACKAGES TO INCLUDE THIS YEAR AND ADDING SIX RESERVES AT COST ABOUT $77,000 BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BUY THEM A RADIO YOU HAVE TO BUY THEM LEATHER GEAR YOU HAVE TO BUY THEM EQUIPMENT YOU HAVE TO BUY THEM UNIFORMS YOU HAVE TO BUY A MECHANICAL LICENSE.
YOU HAVE TO BUY ALL THE THINGS FOR THEM TO COMPLETE THEIR JOB, EVEN IF THEY'RE AN INVESTIGATOR.
I ALSO DID A VOLUNTEER PROGRAM THAT WAS ABOUT $53,000 TO HAVE VOLUNTEERS.
THE REASON IS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM ACTUALLY GO OUT THERE AND HELP THE PATROL, WE GOT TO GIVE THEM SOME VEHICLE.
THEY CAN'T DRIVE THEIR OWN VEHICLE AND THEY CAN'T DRIVE A POLICE CAR.
YOU HAVE TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT SO PUT A TRUCK IN THERE FOR THEM TO DRIVE,
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WHICH IS ABOUT $55,000.I TOOK THAT 77 AND 55 AND EVALUATED ON GETTING THE BEST BANK FOR MY BUCK FOR [INAUDIBLE] THOUSAND DOLLARS [INAUDIBLE] FULL TIME EMPLOYEE THAT WILL BE YOUR OWN.
THEN WE CAN BRING THOSE TWO PROGRAMS ON SOLELY.
BUT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I'VE HAD TWO CALLS IN SIX YEARS TO ME ASKING TO BE A RESERVE VEHICLE AND ALL I TOLD HIM WAS HOLD ON.
WE ALL HAVE POLICIES IN PLACE YET.
I'VE FINISHED THOSE SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE THOSE.
PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE [INAUDIBLE] OR PREPARED TO KICK THAT OFF.
BUT WITH THAT ONE THERE'S A PROMISE TO THAT WE HAVE TO BUY THEM ALL THIS EQUIPMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER BUDGETED INTO THE BUDGET.
I WOULD LIKE TO DO THOSE THINGS SLOWLY.
BUT IN LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS 53 AND 77, TO BRING ON TO A PROGRAM THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A VOLUNTEER GO OUT IN THE FIELD AND ACTUALLY HELP THE COPS 77,000 TO BRING ON RESERVES IF THEY'RE NOT OLD PARKER RESIDENTS OR PARKER POLICE OFFICERS THAT KNOW WHAT GOES ON.
THERE'S A LONG TRAINING PROGRAM AND I WENT IN AND CHANGE MY POLICY BEFORE I PUT IT OUT TO 24 HOURS A MONTH.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE WELL OVER A YEAR TO TRAIN SOMEONE TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO HELP ON PATROL.
NOW, IF YOU FIND THAT GUY THAT WANTS TO BE AN INVESTIGATOR, COMES IN AN OFFICE.
WE CAN DO THAT MUCH HARDER THEY STILL HAVE TO LEARN THE ICS PROGRAM AND GET THEM A CAB LICENSE AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
THAT'S ABOUT, IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, $4,800 PER PERSON WOULD DO THAT FOR BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE LIKE A RESERVE CATALOGS ARE GOING THAT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE USE THAT CAN'T DO THAT.
IN EVALUATING THE COST THIS YEAR TO TRY TO BRING THAT DOWN ON AN 111 VERSUS 77 AND 53, I GET A WHOLE LOT MORE BANG FOR MY BUCK AND A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE THAN I DO OVER HERE.
THEN WE CAN START GRADUALLY BRINGING THOSE PROGRAMS ON.
I'M GOING TO ASK FOR TWO RESERVES THIS YEAR IN AUSTIN.
THEN EACH YEAR BUILD THAT RESERVE FOR BOLSTERING GOING DOWN THE ROAD AND HIS FUTURE.
AND ALSO THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM.
I CAN GET TWO CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS TO COME IN AND DRIVE THE CURRENT VEHICLES WE HAVE TO THE SHOP AND I KNOW I HAVE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES PRESENTED READY TO GO TO FULFILL THAT OBLIGATION.
I'VE EVEN TALKED TO STANDARDS ABOUT LEAVING THAT GROUP.
IT'S UNDERWAY, BUT IT'S NOT HERE YET. WE'RE WORKING.
IN VOLUNTARY POLICING, MOST AGENCIES UTILIZE RETIRED PD VEHICLES, SO WE WOULD TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF ROTATION STARTING TO RESERVE PROGRAM.
GENERALLY YOU WOULD WANT TO DO THE SAME THING BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE NO RESERVE, THAT'S FREE TO WORK ON THEIR OWN.
THAT COMES IN WHEN YOU HAD TWO OFFICER WHO DON'T HAVE AN EXTRA PATROL VEHICLE TO TRY TO TAKE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO RETIRE THAT MAYBE IS STILL DRIVABLE.
THEY BECOME THE RESERVE VEHICLE MAINTENANCE ON THOSE.
BUT GENERALLY THE PROGRAMS DO WHAT? TRUE, BUT WE TAKE THE EQUIPMENT ON THE CARS NOW AND MOVE IT OVER.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUDGET? [INAUDIBLE] I UNDERSTAND. I LITERALLY I SET UP MULTIPLE REGIONAL PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT MY RESERVE CAREER, WHICH I'VE BEEN DOING ALMOST 20 YEARS. I DO UNDERSTAND.
I ALSO CAN TELL YOU, NOT DENYING HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE REACHED OUT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT I WAS ONE OF THE VERY BEGINNING ASKING WHY PARKER DIDN'T HAVE A RESERVE PROGRAM ANYMORE AND ACTUALLY TALKED TO [INAUDIBLE].
HE MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN KEPT THE PRICE BOOK.
I CAN COME IN AND SET THIS UP FOR YOU GUYS AND GET IT RUNNING.
HE'S LIKE, WELL, IT'S COMING AND THAT WAS SIX YEARS AGO.
I'M THINKING ABOUT IT UP TO TWO OTHER PROGRAMS SINCE THEN.
BUT MY CONCERN IS TO ME IT'S NOT A ONE OR THE OTHER IT'S THAT WE NEED THESE PROGRAMS GOING OUR RESIDENTS WANT TO HELP VOLUNTEER POLICING.
THAT'S A BIG DEAL. WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT WANT TO HELP ARE THERE THINGS THEY CAN'T DO, ABSOLUTELY.
BUT IF WE HAVE AN EVENT LIKE YOUR DRUG TAKE BACK YOUR VOLUNTEERS IN POLICING TO THOSE GUYS TO HELP DIRECT THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT YOU TRAIN THEM, THE RESIDENTS GET INVOLVED IN, THEN THEY'RE INVESTED IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THEN THAT GIVES THE VESTING IN THERE, NOT EVEN WITH THE RESERVES, BUT OUR RESIDENTS CAN DO THAT.
IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH HARDER TO FIND RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO BE RESERVES.
HOW MANY PD DO WE HAVE THAT ARE RETIRED, [INAUDIBLE]? YOU BUT NOT THAT MANY AND IF THEY ARE UNWILLING AND PARTNER, THEY PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT WITH THAT, GETTING THE VOLUNTEER POLICING STANDARDS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE HE WOULD COME VOLUNTEER.
I KNOW SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE WHO CAN VOLUNTEER TO DO THOSE THINGS.
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I WOULD WANT TO SEE THE PROGRAMS PERSONALLY UP AND RUNNING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER WHEN STARTED.THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT IT IF YOU GET SOMEBODY GOOD, BRING IT TO COUNSEL AND LET US EVALUATE ADDING SOMEBODY THAT MID-YEAR IF WE HAD TO TO LOOK AT THAT.
RESERVES DON'T NEED INDIVIDUAL RADIOS.
THEY SHARE RADIO VIA THE CAB LICENSES YOU WRITE IC HAS LICENSES, YOU'RE RIGHT THERE.
IT'S LIKE A BOMB. YOU HAVE TO PAY INDIVIDUALLY.
EQUIPMENT YEAH YOU DO MORE COST-EFFICIENT UNIFORM.
YOU CAN DO SOME THINGS THERE, BUT IT'S GOING TO STILL COST.
I STILL THINK THAT BREAKS DOWN TO THE FACT THAT ADDING AN INVESTIGATOR ADDS ONE MORE DAYTIME OFFICER.
WHEN OUR NIGHTTIME IS, WHAT IF I HEAR FROM A RESIDENT THAT'S USUALLY AN EVENING SITUATION, SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED.
STATISTICALLY, I WOULD SUSPECT MOST OF OUR CALLS HAPPENED HERE IN THE IF YOU TAKE TRAFFIC OUT OF THE MIX.
I WANT TO UNDERSTAND I'M NOT QUESTIONING WHAT YOU'RE DOING I WANT TO UNDERSTAND.
WHY WOULD YOU ADD ANOTHER OFFICER DURING THE DAY TO AN ALREADY HEAVY DAY SHIFT AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING AN OFFICER AT NIGHT.
I'M NOT ADDING ANOTHER OFFICER.
WHICH OPENS UP THAT OFFICER POSITION.
YES THAT KEEPS THE TWO THAT WORK THERE EVERY TWO DAYS AND OFF TWO DAYS, THREE DAYS.
THE DETECTIVE DOING DETECTIVE WORK THAT BACKFIELD WITH THOSE PEOPLE AND THEN YOU HAVE [INAUDIBLE] ONLY ONE DAY A WEEK USUALLY WE'RE THERE.
THAT'S THE DAY SHIFT AND AT NIGHT SHIFT HE HANDS IT TO THE OPPOSITE SHIFTS AND THE FIFTH ONE, WHOSE GETTING HIRED, WHO'S GOING TO BE THE BACK FIELD TO HELP COVER YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF 12, FIVE ON DAYS AND FIVE ON NIGHTS.
ACTUAL POSITION OR WALKING THE STREET AND THEN CROSSING OUR AREA AS THE SUPERVISORS [INAUDIBLE]
>> MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION TO THAT, PLEASE DON'T TAKE OFFENSE TO THIS, IT'S GOING TO SOUND DEFENSIVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT THAN HAVE IT STRAIGHTFORWARD.
I DID A LITTLE DIGGING MYSELF INTO FARMER'S MILL, PRESTON, LUHAN, CADDO MILLS, WHAT OTHER? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT WAS.
ALL OF THEIR CHIEFS OR ASSISTANT CHIEFS GO OUT AND PATROL THE END OF THE DAY.
WHAT IS THE FOCUS THAT IT TAKES TWO CHIEFS, BASICALLY FULL TIME, TO RUN THE ADMINISTRATIVE DAY-TO-DAY AT THE PARK OF PD WHEN WE ONLY HAVE 11 OFFICERS? I KNOW THERE'S REPORTING, I KNOW WHAT THEIR POLICIES ARE, I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT, BUT FOR ME TO JUSTIFY IT TO RESIDENTS, WHAT IS IT THAT TAKES TWO FULL-TIME CHIEFS TO RUN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, BOTH DAYTIME CHIEFS, AND NOT BE ABLE TO RUN PATROL CHECKS AS WELL? WE DON'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF CALLS, I SUSPECT THE END OF THE DAY BASED ON YOUR NUMBERS.
I'M WORKING PATROL, [INAUDIBLE] IS WORKING PATROL WHEN SOMEONE'S NOT THERE, AND THEN WHEN CHIEF'S THERE, WE'RE SUPERVISING PATROL WORK AS WELL.
WE APPROVE THE REPORTS THAT COME IN THAT DAY, WE DO ALL THAT STUFF, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE DO THE ADMINISTRATIVE WORK.
SOMEBODY'S GOT TO WRITE THE POLICIES THAT HAVE A RESERVE PROGRAM, SOMEBODY'S GOT TO WRITE THE POLICIES THAT HAVE A VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, SOMEBODY'S GOT TO DO THE AUDIT, SOMEBODY'S GOT TO DO THE BUDGET, SOMEBODY'S GOT TO PAY THE BILLS, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE DOING THAT PATROL WORK.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, ALL OF THOSE PLACES YOU LOOKED INTO, THE CHIEF ONLY GOES AND WORKS PATROL?
>> NO. I'M SAYING THEY SPLIT THEIR SHIFT EVERY DAY.
>> EVERY DAY, YOU OR KENNY ARE OUT IN THE PATROL VEHICLE AS WELL?
>> DURING THE DAY, THEY HAVE TECHNICALLY THREE OFFICERS RESPONDING TO CALLS ON MOST DAYS.
EITHER YOU, KENNY, PLUS THE TWO OFFICERS THAT SHOULD BE ON, ASSUMING YOU HAVE A FULL RECEPTION.
>> LIKE TODAY, I'M THE CHIEF WHO'S IN A BUNCH OF MEETING, AND THERE IS ONE PROBLEM ISSUE, AND MICHELLE WILL DO.
THAT'S GENERALLY THE WAY IT IS.
IF THEY NEEDED TO CALL IN TODAY BECAUSE HER DAUGHTER HAD HER BABY, THERE WILL BE TWO COPS ON THE STREET, AND THE CHIEF, AND THE OTHER PEOPLE.
>> HAVE YOU TRIED SCHEDULING FOR AROUND THANKSGIVING?
>> MICHELLE WILL COME TO THE OFFICE.
>> I GET THAT. SHE'S THE FIRST PERSON IN THERE. I GET THAT.
ALL THE DAYS THAT SHE IS HERE.
IT'S STILL A LITTLE HARD FOR ME TO STOMACH,
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BUT I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO [INAUDIBLE] I THINK I'VE BEEN TIMED-OUT.>> YEAH. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I APPRECIATE AND AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT MICHAEL AND JIM HAVE MADE.
I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT INCREASING OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IF WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF POLICE PER RESIDENT STATISTICS COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES, OURS IS SO HIGH, AND I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO HAVE OUR POLICE PATROL OFFICERS HAVE SOME SAFETY WEEK NUMBERS, SO TO SPEAK.
BUT THE AMOUNT OF CRIME THAT WE HAVE IS RELATIVELY LOW.
I KNOW PEOPLE TELL ME THAT LUCAS IS TERRIBLE AS FAR AS NOBODY'S HAPPY, BUT I'VE TALKED TO COUNCIL MEMBERS AND LUCAS, AND THEY HAVE TOLD ME THEY'VE NOT HEARD OF PEOPLE TELLING THEM THEY DON'T LIKE THE POLICE SITUATION THERE.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE GO THAT FAR.
[LAUGHTER] BUT MY GOAL IS THAT WE DON'T GROW OUR POLICE UNNECESSARILY, AND THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE, I STILL I WONDER IF THERE'S SOMETHING, HOW FAR DO WE HAVE TO GO ON INVESTIGATIONS, ARE THERE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, ARE WE TRYING TO DO TOO MUCH, ARE WE TRYING TO BE TOO MUCH OF A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WE DON'T NEED TO BE? WE NEED TO BE HERE FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS.
BUT THE EXTRA SERVICES, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE POLICE INVESTIGATIVE DIVISION, STILL.
I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE VOLUNTEER WORK THEY PREVENT, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, [LAUGHTER] AND IT'S PROBABLY LIABILITY, BUT WHY DO WE NEED A VEHICLE? WHY CAN'T VOLUNTEERS USE THEIR OWN VEHICLES?
>> WE'LL GET VOLUNTEERS TO DO THAT AND YOU DO USUALLY HAVE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'VE HAD PEOPLE TELL ME THAT'S HOW THEY'VE DONE IT BEFORE IN OTHER LOCATIONS.
>> I WOULDN'T. [LAUGHTER] LIKE VIP SERVICES USUALLY YOU PUT YELLOW AND WHITE LIGHTS BECAUSE MAYBE THERE'S A MASSIVE EVENT IN SOUTH FORK AND THEY NEED TO HELP LOCK ON TRAFFIC, OR THERE'S AN ACCIDENT, OR SOME DISABLED VEHICLE, MORE SO.
WELL, THEY CAN GO SIT BEHIND THE DISABLED VEHICLE INSTEAD OF TYING UP ON OUR PD VEHICLES SO THAT THEY DON'T GET HIT.
THE YELLOW LIGHTS OR WHITE WILL DO IT.
>> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY'RE ASSIGNED TO DO.
>> AS FAR AS RESERVES, RESERVES USUALLY HAVE A VEHICLE, BUT I'VE SEEN IT WHERE THEY RIDE SECOND TO A PATROL OFFICER.
NEGATIVE IS, YOU CAN ONLY START ONE UNIT. YOU CAN'T HAVE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I AGREE WITH ALL THE COMMENTS I MADE, THAT YOU AGREED TO ACCEPT, I WILL SAY BLESS THE LUCAS COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO'VE HAVEN'T, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN A RESPONDING OFFICER IN LUCAS, AND I GET YELLED AT ALL THE TIME THAT IT TOOK YOU A HALF-HOUR, BUT YEAH.
IT TOOK ME A HALF-HOUR TO GET HERE BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE.
I OWN A LARGE PARCEL OF LAND WITH CATTLE ON IT THAT WAS IN THE LUCAS ETJ, JUST RECENTLY I HAD A CRIMINAL TRESPASS OVER IT, I WAS OUT OF TOWN, GOT IT ON THE CAMERA, CALLED IN, TOOK HIM 45 MINUTES TO GET THERE, THE DEPUTY WAS PURPORTED TO BE ABOUT 10 MINUTES AWAY.
OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED THE OFFICERS AND YOU'RE NOT SETTING THE ABILITY TO COUNTY.
[LAUGHTER] MY CONCERN IS, AGAIN, THE FULL-TIME INVESTIGATOR VERSUS NOTHING, VERSUS DO WE JUST LEAVE HIM AS AN OFFICER AND ADD ANOTHER OFFICER WHICH IS MUCH CHEAPER THAN AN INVESTIGATOR, BASED ON WHAT THE COSTS THAT I'M SEEING HERE?
>> OKAY. COULD I OFFER A CAR [INAUDIBLE], SO TO SPEAK.
COULD WE NOT APPROVE THIS AT THIS TIME BUT RECONSIDER THIS IN SIX MONTHS OR MIDYEAR, TO SEE HOW THE INVESTIGATIONS ARE GOING, HOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING, AND HOW UNDERWATER [INAUDIBLE] DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION? THAT MAY ALSO GIVE THE CHIEF A CHANCE TO GET INVESTIGATORS, [NOISE] IT'S MY PHONE.
IT'S ANOTHER SCAM CALL. [LAUGHTER]
>> YEAH, I'M FINE OF THAT. YEAH, WHY NOT?
>> [INAUDIBLE] DOES THAT CAUSE YOU HEARTBURN IF WE DO THAT?
>> NO. NOT AT ALL. CHIEF COULD YOU LOOK?
>> THE SECOND THING I HAD WAS THE INCENTIVE PAYING.
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I PRESENT THIS FOR TWO REASONS.NUMBER 1, TO KEEP THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE, PAY THEM WHAT THEY DO.
NUMBER 2, TO BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE TO PROSPECTIVE EMPLOYEES THAT WE WILL PAY THEM, AND TRAIN THEM, AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR CERTIFICATIONS AND THOSE THINGS.
A LOT OF THAT IS HOW MANY OFFICERS OR SERVERS THAT WE HAVE AND HAVE TO TRAIN BECAUSE THERE'S A COMPONENT IN THERE FOR FTO TRAINING THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY TRAINING AND YOU GET PAID TO BE AN FTO.
THEN WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY TRAINING YOU GET PAID THE ACTUAL TRAINING.
THAT NUMBER WOULD FLUCTUATE BASED ON HOW MANY PEOPLE WE TRAIN IN A YEAR, HOW MANY RESERVES.
BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO STAY IN PARKER, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL.
THESE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT TO US, EDUCATION, INSTRUCTORS, CERTIFICATIONS, AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY THEM TO ACHIEVE THAT.
[OVERLAPPING] I MADE THE BEST OF IT.
>> A MAXIMUM OF 15 [OVERLAPPING].
>> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE VERY FIRST FTO TRAINING OFFICER PER ASSIGNMENT.
HE'S YOUNG AT THAT POINT TRAINING ANYBODY.
>> ONCE YOU'RE IN THE FTO YOU WILL GET PAID A MONTHLY STIPEND.
>> HE'S QUALIFIED AT THAT POINT WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANYBODY FOR HIM TO SUPERVISE AT THAT POINT.
>> HE WOULD BE TRAINED AND ONCE APPOINTED HE WOULD RECEIVE A MONTHLY PAY.
>> BUT NOT UNTIL HE IS APPOINTED.
>> NO. UNTIL HE'S APPOINTED AS AN FTO.
THERE WOULD ONLY BE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THEM.
>> THEN WHEN THEY TRAIN THEY WOULD GET PAID AN EXTRA DOLLAR PER HOUR IN TRAINING.
IT'S ONLY A 12-HOUR DAY YOU GET 12 DOLLARS.
>> I THINK THIS IS AN AWESOME PROGRAM.
ONE OF THE THINGS POLICE OFFICERS CAN DO AND ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE ENCOURAGED, THEY START OUT WITH A BASIC LAW ENFORCEMENT CERTIFICATE, AND THEN THEY GET AN INTERMEDIATE, AND THEN THEY CAN GET A MASTERS.
IT'S A BIG DEAL BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TRAINING THAT GOES INTO THAT AND IT REALLY IMPROVES THEM AND THAT IMPROVES THEIR SERVICE TO OUR CITY.
>> THE THING THAT I WOULD NOT WANT IS THIS TO BE UTILIZED AS A RAISE PROGRAM OR MORE INCENTIVIZATION PROGRAM.
ASSUMING EVERYBODY AGREES, I LOVE THE PROGRAM.
MY CONCERNS WOULD BE GENERALLY, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT, MOST AGENCIES DON'T ALLOW SUPERVISORS TO BE ASSIGNED TO THE FTO.
WOULD YOU ALLOW SUPERVISORS SUCH AS THE ASSISTANT CHIEF PRICE TO BE ELECTED THERE?
>> HE WOULD NOT BE, BUT THERE WOULD BE ONE MORE PEER SERGEANT WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROGRAM WHO WILL BE APPOINTED.
BUT RIGHT NOW THE WAY IT IS THERE WILL BE AN FTO SERGEANT AND TWO FTO SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE.
THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN SUPERVISORS IN THE FTO.
>> RIGHT NOW THE WAY WE'RE SET UP OUR FTOS GET NOTHING FOR BEING AN FTO.
>> NO. THEY GET $420 PAID TO THEM AT COMPLETION OF A PERSON'S TRAINING.
IF ONE OFFICER COMES IN THE PEOPLE THEY'RE TRAINING WOULD GET $420 AT COMPLETION.
>> OKAY. IS THAT COMPLETION OF SUCCESSFUL TRAINING? [LAUGHTER]
>> IF WE BRING ON A BAD GUY WHO THEY WANT TO WATCH THEY DON'T GET PAID.
>> PARTICULARLY WATCHING HOW DO YOU MEAN?
I WOULDN'T WANT SOMEBODY TO INCENTIVIZE [LAUGHTER] TO KEEP ON A BAD OFFICER BECAUSE THEY WANT THAT $420.
I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A PROGRAM SET UP LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST [LAUGHTER] THAT WHEN IT'S RUN THEY GET PAID.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY I WANTED IT.
THAT'S THE WAY THEY AGREED TO IT. IT'S HOW I TOOK IT.
BUT THIS IS A MORE REASONABLE PLAN.
GET THIS, WHETHER OR NOT NOT THE PERSON PASSES AND IF YOU CUT HIM OR HER SIX HOURS INTO THE SHIFT YOU ONLY GET SIX DOLLARS.
>> THAT'S THAT MAKES SENSE. YES.
>> BUT THEY STILL GET PAID TO BE THE FTO REGARDLESS.
>> THEN ON INSTRUCTOR PAY, I MEAN, EVERYBODY CAN BE AN INSTRUCTOR.
I'M AN INSTRUCTOR. I SUSPECT YOU'RE AN INSTRUCTOR.
I SUSPECT KANDI IS PROBABLY AN INSTRUCTOR.
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ARE YOU GOING TO LIMIT THAT OR WILL YOU ALLOW EVERY OFFICER IN THE DEPARTMENT TO BECOME INSTRUCTORS?>> IF YOU BECOME AN INSTRUCTOR AND GET PAID YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO INSTRUCT SOMETHING.
>> OKAY. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LET SOMEBODY JUST HAVE IT.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A CLIENT.
>> I WILL LET THEM GET TRAINED TO BE AN INSTRUCTOR, BUT THEY HAVE TO BUILD THEIR ORGANIZATION TO GET PAID.
TO BE A PAID INSTRUCTOR YOU GOT TO BE TEACHING SOMETHING TO THE TERMS.
>> OKAY. THAT CAN TAKE THE PLACE OF SENDING OFFICERS TO TRY THEM ELSEWHERE THAT WOULD COST PARKER MONEY.
>> TO SOME EXTENT. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO WITH THESE INSTRUCTORS IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY INTERNALLY IS GET THEM THE STUFF THEY CAN'T GET OTHER FORCES.
FOR INSTANCE WORKING WITH THE DOMESTIC SHIELDS THAT WE PROVIDED.
WE SENT TREY MESSINA TO GROUND FIGHTING INSTRUCTOR SCHOOL.
WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY TRAIN THE OFFICERS IN PAIN AND IN COMBAT FIGHTING, FIST FIGHTING.
>> THEN THEY CAN COME BACK AND TEACH EVERYBODY ELSE.
>> OKAY. HE WOULD BE AN INSTRUCTOR.
WE'RE GOING TO PAY HIM TO GROUND FIGHT TRAIN OUR PEOPLE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE.
WE'RE GOING TO ADD A 30 MINUTES SEGMENT ON HANDCUFFING.
EVERYBODY'S GOING TO RUN THROUGH THAT 30 MINUTES SEGMENT ON HANDCUFFING.
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE A BATON, AN OC SPRAY, DAWNING YOUR PLATE AND HELMET.
WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY DO LESSON PLANS, ACTUALLY HAVE THE INSTRUCTORS INSTRUCT SO IT'S DOCUMENTED IN OUR FILES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING IN THIS TRAINING.
BUT TO DO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO INCENTIVIZE THE INSTRUCTOR BY GIVING THEM A STIPEND TO LET'S GET BUSY INTO THIS.
>> YOU WILL BE REPORTING THAT AS CONTINUING EDUCATION HOURS UNDER THE DEPARTMENT.
>> BUT THE ONES THAT YOU CAN YOU WILL.
>> YES. WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH GRAYSON COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT ACADEMY [INAUDIBLE].
WE ALSO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH PAUL TO PRESENT ALL THE DOCUMENTS TO GET IT DOCUMENTED.
BUT WE WILL DO ONLY ONES THAT ARE TEAMS.
>> WAS YOUR QUESTION ON WHETHER THERE WERE OTHER AGENCIES TO COME IN?
>> NO. I WAS ASKING IF HE WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO REPORT IT AS CONTINUING ADD HOURS TO MAKE SURE IT DOES BENEFIT US IN THAT RESPECT BECAUSE YOU CAN EITHER DO IT AS A DEPARTMENT.
CERTAIN THINGS YOU CAN DO AS A DEPARTMENT AND SUBMIT CERTAIN TIMES YOU HAVE TO DO TO IN THE ACADEMY.
>> OKAY. MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IF WE DO PROVIDE THIS STIPEND WOULD WE ALLOW OTHER AGENCIES TO OPT-IN?
>> IT WILL DEPEND ON THE TOPIC AND THE DURATION.
WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS SHORT.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AND A LOT OF TIME SO IF YOU DO A FOUR-HOUR TRAINING BLOCK YOU'VE GOT TO COVER THE STREET.
I WANT TO GET THEM DOWN TO 30-MINUTE TRAINING BLOCKS THAT WE CAN DO MORE QUICKLY.
I PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE BRINGING IT IF WE HAD A TOPIC LIKE COURTNEY IS CANINE ENCOUNTER CERTIFIED.
IF SHE WAS GOING TO TEACH THAT TO US WE WOULD OPEN IT UP.
>> WELL, I'M IN FAVOR OF INCENTIVE PROGRAM MYSELF.
>> [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] POLICE BACKGROUND.
>> IT'S PRETTY COMMONPLACE THESE DAYS. I MEAN, IT REALLY IS.
>> YEAH. I MEAN, JUST FROM A FUNDAMENTAL STANDPOINT, FOR ME ANYTHING THAT INVOLVES TRAINING, AND AN INCENTIVE, AND LEARNING I THINK FOR THE ORGANIZATION IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE THEN IT REQUIRES INITIATIVE TO DO IT AND I'M ALL BEHIND THAT THING. I THINK IT'S GREAT.
>> ANY OTHER POLICE QUESTIONS?
>> OKAY. THEN WE'RE GOING BACK BECAUSE WE STARTED PUBLIC WORKS.
>> LUKE YOU'VE GO TO COME BACK.
>> WE'LL SAY THAT UNDER PUBLIC WORKS ON PAGE 12 THERE ARE SOME FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS ON UNIFORMS. WE ASK FOR THIS.
>> OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO TYPE OF FIVE-MINUTE BREAK.
>> OKAY. SORRY. [NOISE] FIVE-MINUTE BREAK.
>> [NOISE] WE'RE BREAKING ON 2:55.
>> THE WORKSHOP OF JULY 28, 2022 IS NOW BACK IN SESSION AT 3:03 PM.
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I BELIEVE YOU WERE GETTING READY TO START ON PUBLIC WORKS.>> YES. SO DURING THE LAST OFFICIAL COUNCIL WORKSHOP, [NOISE] THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON THE UNIFORMS. AND SO GARY AND ON PAGE 12 ON UNIFORMS, SPEAK WITH GARY, $500 PER PERSON, [NOISE] FOR UNIFORMS. TO PROVIDE JEANS, SHIRTS, HATS.
HERE'S THE THING SOME OF THE GUYS HAVE JACKETS ALREADY.
BUT SOME OF THE GUYS NO, DON'T HAVE JACKETS, BUT SOME HAVE RAIN BOOTS.
SOME GUYS DON'T HAVE RAIN BOOTS.
BUT THIS $500 WILL ALLOW AT LEAST A THIRD OF YOUR BUDGET PROBLEM TO AT LEAST GET SOME PULLED IN EVERY YEAR.
AND IF EVERYONE CAUGHT UP WITH A JACKET, RAIN BOOTS, JEANS, AND T-SHIRT.
>> SOME OF US WOULD GO THROUGH THOSE, LET'S TEAR THOSE UP BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY A YEAR IN OR LESS.
>> SO THAT BUDGET WAS UPDATED TO REFLECT $500 PER PERSON AND WE'LL SEE THAT ON PAGE 12, PAGE 13, AND PAGE 16.
THAT'S WE'RE ALL GOING TO PUT WHERE THE STATUS THE REQUIREMENTS THERE.
ALSO SINCE THE LAST TIME, WE RECEIVED BIDS.
THE FERTILIZING WENT UP FOR GUYS WHO ARE MOWING.
THE LOWEST BID SO FAR IS 6105.
THAT'S BEEN REFLECTED IN THIS BUDGET AS WELL.
UNDER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES 8605.
>> HOW GOOD IS THAT COMPARED TO LAST YEAR?
>> IT'S NOT AS BAD AS YOU ALL THINK THAT IT COULD BE.
>> AND NO CHANGE IN THE ALUMINUM FERTILIZER [NOISE].
>> WHICH I'M SURPRISED ON THAT ONE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THE SAME PRICE [INAUDIBLE].
THOSE WERE THE CHANGES THAT MADE SINCE LAST MEETING.
THE SUPPLEMENTAL IS SOMETHING [NOISE] THAT YOU HAVE IS A REFLECTION OF ONE SAME SPREADER INSTEAD OF TWO.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK WOULD MAKE US MORE.
>> WAS IT WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE DUCT TRAILER AND EVEN THE TRACTOR, THAT YOU WERE WILLING TO FOREGO THE DUMP TRUCK THAT WE APPROVED LAST TIME BUT WE NEVER DID LOCATED, AT LEAST FOR THE [NOISE].
>> THAT'S FINE. THE DUMP TRUCK WOULD BE NICE.
BUT HONESTLY, WE'VE GOTTEN BY WITH THE DUMP TRAILER WE CAN DO THAT.
IF WE HAVE A NEWER DUMP TRUCK WITHOUT SO MUCH TURMOIL THAT WOULD BE EVEN BETTER [LAUGHTER].
THE TRUCK WE HAVE NOW IS IN NEED OF A PART.
SO WE ARE ABOUT TO HAVE THAT [INAUDIBLE].
>>ARE YOU ABLE TO FIND DUMP TRAILERS? HAVE YOU LOOKED?
>> WHEN WE CALLED, THE GUY SAID HE COULD GET ONE BUT HE'D HAVE TO GET IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
HE DIDN'T HAVE ONE ON HIS LOCK. HE COULD GET IT FROM SOMEONE.
I DON'T KNOW WILL THAT BE LATE.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HE CAN GET WITHIN A WEEK OR TWO OR A MONTH OR EVEN LONGER I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
>>AND THE BACK TRAILER, IS IT WORKING? [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE KEEP ONE GOOD BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE ONE.
AND SO WE'VE SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF LAST WEEK AND SOME OF THIS WEEK MAINTAINING THAT THING AND GETTING IT TO WHERE IT HOPEFULLY WILL BE WORTH IT OVER A YEAR.
>> I KNOW IT'S EXPENSIVE BUT I JUST GOT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS ON THAT.
BECAUSE I WAS THINKING, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THE OLD BACK TRUCK IS NOT GOING TO LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
>> THE BACK DRIVER IS THE ONE WHO HAS TROUBLE DOING IT?
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>> DID WE BUDGET FOR THE BACK TRAILER REPLACEMENT IN THE EQUIPMENT PLACEMENT FUND?
>> YES, SIR. ON THE SCHEDULE THAT IS PROBABLY [NOISE].
>> I SEE IT, YEAH IT'S ON THERE. IT'S ON THAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE HAVE THAT MONEY HELD ASIDE?
>> WE DO HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS IN THE EQUIPMENT PLACEMENT FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE THE BACK TRUCK.
>>OUR ESTIMATED ACCOUNT BALANCE IN THE EQUIPMENT PLACEMENT FUND TAKING THIS YEAR INTO CONSIDERATION, WE SHOULD HAVE ABOUT 630,000 IN EQUIPMENT PLACEMENT FUND.
AND THEN WE'LL PROPOSE IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW FOR 22-23, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 200 AND, ONE SECOND [INAUDIBLE] GOING BACK IN THERE.
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>> WHAT BUDGET WOULD THAT COME OUT OF?
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>> IT WOULD COME OUT OF NON [INAUDIBLE], THE GENERAL FUND.
>> COULD IT COME OUT OF THE FACILITY'S MAINTENANCE SINCE IT'S ONE OF THE FACILITIES? WE HAD THAT MONEY FOR SOMETHING BUT.
>> IT'S MORE OF A MAINTENANCE ITEM SO I WOULD SAY SINCE IT'S A MAINTENANCE ITEM, PROBABLY IT WOULD BE BETTER NOT TO.
>> WHAT IS YOUR MAINTENANCE BUDGET?
>> DO WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE BUDGET?
>> WE DO. IT'S 45,000 AND THAT'S FOR ALL OF THE STUDENT FACILITIES.
I WOULD SAY THERE'S A CHANCE WE COULD USE THAT.
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IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORICAL NUMBERS, WE'VE SPENT 34,000 THIS YEAR, [NOISE] SPENT 20, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN MORE THAT'S COME THROUGH.I WOULD HATE TO HAVE THAT COME RIGHT OUT OF THAT BUDGET AND THEN WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR SOMETHING WHEN WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A KNOWN EXPENSE THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE.
WE SPENT 48,000 A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO SO WE INTEND TO SPEND 500 MILLION ON MAINTENANCE ITEMS. [BACKGROUND] [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF IT HELPS PUT ANYBODY'S MIND AT EASE, I'VE GOT AN ANNOUNCEMENT AND INVOICE FOR THE CONTRACTOR FOR $19,000 THAT SHOULD BE COMING IN.
[LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] WHEN THEY HIT US. THEY NEVER WANTED THAT.
>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER KNOWN MAINTENANCE ITEMS NEXT YEAR THAT IS GOING TO USE UP THE $45,000 BUDGET?
>> THERE'S ONLY AUDITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
>> THAT'S [NOISE] WHAT WE SAY.
>> YEAH. LIKE WE HAD TO DO WITH THE WATER AND ALL THAT.
>> NO, THAT WOULD COME [INAUDIBLE]
>> IT'S A DIFFERENT BUDGET LINE.
>> OURS IS VERY HEAVY ON SUMMER DAYS.
WE'VE GOT TO TURN IT DOWN LOWER SO IT'LL FREEZE UP, OR WE HAVE TO TURN IT OFF OF
>> SOLUTION, YOU TAKE THE AC FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE'LL PUT THAT OVER HERE AND THEY GET INTERCEPTING.
>> THEN WE'LL HAVE NO FIREFIGHTERS.
>> DEPARTMENT FIRE, THEY'RE USED TO IT.
>> IT SEEMS TO ME TO BE SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO DO.
>> I AGREE. I THINK IT'S JUST WHERE IT COMES FROM IF THAT'S YOUR. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK IT'S A HEALTH ISSUE MYSELF. THAT'S PRETTY NASTY.
>> WHAT DID WE DECIDE ON THE SAND SPREADERS?
>> I'LL MAKE ALL THESE CHANGES.
I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER BUDGET MEETING UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING [NOISE] BUT I'LL MAKE ALL THESE CHANGES AND I'LL SHOOT ANOTHER EMAIL [INAUDIBLE] FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT TIME BUDGET ISSUES.
MY PLAN IS TO WATCH REMOTELY SO I CAN HEAR THE COMMENT BUT I'M NOT GOING TO CONVENE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO PUT THE VOTE BECAUSE IF I'M ON AN AIRPLANE, I HAVE THE WI-FI ON THE AIRPLANE, AND WHATEVER IT IS IT IS.
BUT I WILL TRY TO ENJOY THIS WATCH.
>> IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SINCE [INAUDIBLE] I CAN ADDRESS THEM AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKES CHANGES.
>> WELL, THE PASSENGERS ON THE PLANE CAN SEND IN THEIR COMMENTS.
>> I DON'T LIVE IN PARKER, BUT WHAT'S YOUR OPINION?
>> IN SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTAL ON PAGE 14 WILL SAY ANOTHER CHANGE THAT [INAUDIBLE] IT INCREASED AND THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE CLOSE CAPTION.
>> TERRY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN THE DOJ?
>> JUST COMPLIANCE WITH ADA AND DOJ.
WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE WITH HEARING DISABILITIES FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
>> WELL, WE DIDN'T ACCOMMODATE LAST YEAR.
>> WELL, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE.
IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT, WE WOULD HAVE TO SHOW SOME KIND OF FINANCIAL HARDSHIP ON THE CITY OF WAYNE AND WE COULDN'T SPEND THIS MONEY.
THE INCREASE HERE IS LOW ENOUGH THAT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY IF WE TRIED TO ARGUE THAT IT WAS A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP ON THE CITY TO TAKE OUT THE CLOSE CAPTIONING.
>> I'M NOT ARGUING THAT [INAUDIBLE] POINT BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT WILL BE UTILIZING IT, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
>> ALL IT TAKES IS ONE PERSON TO ASK FOR IT AND THEN WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT.
>> WHAT IF WE WAITED SOMEBODY ASKS FOR IT?
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>> BECAUSE I'D PREFER NOT TO HAVE DOJ COME IN AND START DOING STUFF, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE [NOISE] A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WORKS FOR THE DOJ.
>> WELL, THAT DOESN'T QUITE MAKE SENSE TO ME BUT WE COULD ADD IT AT ANY POINT IN TIME, CORRECT?
>> YEAH, BUT YOU'RE STILL SPENDING THE SIX GRAND.
I THINK WE HAD [INAUDIBLE] STANDARD USES THAT I THINK.
>> THAT'S THE TOTAL. [OVERLAPPING] I ONLY INCREASED IT BY SIX GRAND.
>> AS MUCH AS I THINK IT'S OVERKILL OF GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS, I WILL SAY I DO FIND MYSELF USING IT PERIODICALLY.
SO I AM A USER OF THE TRANSCRIPTS AND WE ARE GETTING THE TRANSCRIPTS THIS YEAR SO WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T DROP THE TRANSCRIPTS.
THEY ARE ALREADY THERE, CINDY, SO WE'RE NOT ADDING ANYTHING.
>> DURING MEETING IS A LOT MORE AND THERE WAS ISSUES WITH IT.
>> [NOISE] IS THIS DURING THE MEETING OR AFTER THE FINANCE?
>> SO IT'S MAINTAINING THE SAME? REPEAT THAT.
>> YEAH, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE NOTICED ON [INAUDIBLE] WE HAD OUR MEETING WITH THE INITIATIVE.
THEY HAD THE URBAN MAYOR, THEY DIDN'T CATCH HIS ACCENT CORRECTLY [NOISE] ON THE LIVE FEED SO IT WAS JUST THROWING UP WORDS THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
[LAUGHTER] SO THAT'S WHY THEY RECOMMENDED US BEING SO SMALL, THEY WOULDN'T RECOMMEND FOR US SO THAT'S WHY THEY RECOMMENDED AFTER [INAUDIBLE]. THAT MAKE SENSE?
>> SO YOU'RE SAYING SOMEBODY ACTUALLY REVIEWS THAT?
>> YOU SAID IT'S AVAILABLE AFTERWARDS?
>> SO WHY ARE WE PAYING EXTRA IF IT'S ONLY AVAILABLE AFTERWARDS?
>> BECAUSE THEY'RE CHARGING US [INAUDIBLE]. I THINK WE GOT IT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO, WE ACTUALLY PAID 47,000 LAST YEAR.
>> WE HAD A BUDGET WITHOUT IT.
[NOISE] SO IT'S ACTUALLY THE SAME?
>> IT'S SOMETHING OUR CITIZENS REALLY DO USE AND ENJOY IT.
>> YEAH. TO TERRY'S POINT, I THINK YOU ASKED ME ABOUT SWAG NUMBERS.
IT IS JANUARY 1ST OF THIS YEAR TO YESTERDAY.
THERE HAVE BEEN 940 [INAUDIBLE].
SO WE PULLED IT MONTH PERIOD BECAUSE UP TO DATE [INAUDIBLE] JUST LIKE A LITTLE DOT ON A NUMBER SCALE.
>> IT'S PRETTY GOOD PARTICIPATION, I THINK, RIGHT?
>> FOR 948, I KNOW MYSELF AND THINK WE'VE ALL WORKED AT IT A COUPLE OF TIMES JUST GOING BACK, IT'S NICE TO BE [INAUDIBLE].
>> WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WHERE IT MIGHT BE A HUSBAND AND WIFE SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TWO PEOPLE WATCHING IT AS ONE LOG ON SO YOU FIGURED WE'D PROBABLY GET A DECENT NUMBER OF PEOPLE?
>> I THINK WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD WITH NUMBERS ON IT. [NOISE] DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON PAGE 14?
>> IN NINE DEPARTMENTAL, I HAVE [INAUDIBLE].
IT SERVICES I DO FIND STILL VERY DIFFICULT TO TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE RECEIVING.
IT SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF MONEY, $78,000.
[NOISE] IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE WHERE THAT MONEY IS GOING.
I WANT IT [INAUDIBLE] REALLY PAY.
>> 15,000 IS THE BACKUP STORAGE.
>> [NOISE] [INAUDIBLE] ALSO HAVE TO HAVE ENCRYPTED [INAUDIBLE] BACKUPS STORAGE. [INAUDIBLE]
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>> WHAT KIND OF BACKUP STORAGE DO THEY HAVE?
>> IT'S ON THE CLOUD. IT'S ON THE SERVER. SERVER ON.
>> [INAUDIBLE] IT SHOULD ONLY BE USED FOUR HOURS OF WORK IF SOMETHING HAPPENS.
THE OFFICE 365, WE LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT NUMBERS ON THAT.
IT'S STILL CHEAPER FOR US ON THAT AVENUE CURRENTLY, WHEN WE MIGHT LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.
IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO THE [INAUDIBLE] SERVER AT THIS POINT.
A PROOF POINT, THAT'S OUR SPAM CATCHER.
I KNOW WE GET A LOT OF EMAILS THAT COME INTO THE SAME LEGAL SYNTHESIZE.
OUR PROOF POINT SHOULD BE CATCHING ALL THAT [NOISE] SO WE UTILIZE THAT QUITE A BIT.
THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED THAT I'M GETTING CAUGHT IN THE WEEK.
YOU TURN THE DOWN ONE NOTCH WE'RE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO SOME FOREIGN STUFF THAT WE DON'T WANT TO USE. WE'LL PLAY WITH THEM.
>> YOU'RE GETTING CHANGES FROM OUR DIRECT DEPOSITS?
>> HE HASN'T PUT IT IN MY ACCOUNT ONCE.
[LAUGHTER] I KEEP GETTING THE MAYOR ASKING ME TO GO BUY SOME GIFT CARDS.
>> YOU GUYS AREN'T GETTING [INAUDIBLE] TO CALL HIM UP OVER THE PHONE TO FIX MORE THAN 90 PERCENT OF OUR COMPUTER ISSUES.
WE GO TO THE WEBSITE OR HE LOGGED IN AND HE FIXES EVERYTHING FOR US.
>> [INAUDIBLE] GOING TO WATER ISSUE.
>> YOU'VE GOT THINGS TO DO? [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU, GARY.
AT LEAST I DON'T THINK WE WILL ON THE WATER BUDGET.
>> NO SPAM ANYTIME I GO TO THE SYSTEM.
>> HOW MANY COMPUTERS DOES THIS COVER THIS COLUMN? [BACKGROUND]
>> I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW MANY WE HAVE?
>> DOES THAT INCLUDE ALL THE MDCS? WE'VE GOT A DECENT NUMBER OF SYSTEMS IN THE CERTAIN COVERED SERVER ROOMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
EVERY ONE OF OUR NEW UPDATE ON SERVER ROOMS, SO IT NEED TO BE COVERING SOME OF THAT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] IT'S COMING FROM SAINT FIRE, ALL THAT.
>> CIVICPLUS, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AS A COUNCIL TO SEE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
[NOISE] JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.
>> LUKE, YOU TALKED ABOUT A MORE COMPREHENSIVE PIECE OF THAT, RIGHT? CITY PLUS.
>> WHAT YOU'LL DO IS [NOISE] SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND GET A MORE UP TO DATE NUMBER.
I THINK THE LAST NUMBERS I HAD IN TWO YEARS AGO.
MAYBE WE LOOKED AT IT 2, 3 YEARS AGO. [NOISE]
>> I THINK IT WAS, I HATE TO SAY THIS, 17 [NOISE] FOR THE INITIAL AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MONTHLY FEE WAS AFTER THAT.
>> I WANT TO SAY IT WAS A TOTAL OF 25, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THEY UPDATED THEIR TOOL LEVELS OR NOT BECAUSE [NOISE] YOU PAY BASED ON THE POPULATION SIZE [INAUDIBLE].
>> [NOISE] PADDY, DO YOU REMEMBER?
>> I DO NOT. I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
>> I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAY CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE [INAUDIBLE]. [NOISE]
>> ANOTHER CATEGORY IS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND GRANT, YOU AND I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WORKER'S COMP AND LIABILITY INSURANCE JUST BLOWS ME AWAY IS AS TO THE AMOUNT OF THOSE BASED ON EVERY WORKER'S COMP, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WE HAVE.
I THINK WE HAVE AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT THAT YOU INDICATED THAT RELATES TO A LARGE CLAIM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT? [NOISE]
>> SURE. THEY LOOK AT EMAIL REVIEWS THE LAST AVERAGE BASED ON THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
I THINK HISTORY AND SO IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF CLAIMS AND [NOISE] YOUR SCORES, SO YOUR RATES ARE GOING TO GO UP.
IF YOU HAVE FEWER CLAIMS DURING THAT TIME, YOUR RATES GO DOWN.
THERE WAS AN INCIDENT FOUR YEARS AGO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE RATHER A LARGER CLAIM FOR WORKER'S COMP.
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HOPEFULLY, IN THE THE NEXT TWO YEARS THAT BASELINE CHECK THAT OUT [INAUDIBLE] YOUR WORKER'S COMP CODE AND ALSO PLAYED A ROLE, NOT US DIRECTLY SO MUCH, BUT ACROSS THE STUDY.THAT WAS A BIG INDICATOR ALSO FOR HIGHER [INAUDIBLE]. [NOISE]
>> THAT COVERS FIRE DEPARTMENT, VD, ALL ADMIN IN THAT ONE LINE ITEM, RIGHT?
>> I'M ASSUMING IT'S LIKE PRIVATE SECTORS BASED ON PAYROLL NUMBERS NOT IT [OVERLAPPING] PEOPLE.
>> IN EACH POSITION, IT'S RANKED HIGHER.
>> THERE ARE DIFFERENT CLASS CODES, LIKE FD AND VD ARE HIGHER RISK AND PUBLIC WORKS ARE HIGHER RISK THAN ADMIN STAFF.
>> HOPEFULLY, FIVE YEARS OF ROLLING AVERAGE SO EVENTUALLY WE'LL GET THAT BAD YEAR OFF.
>> HOW MANY YEARS WE HAVE TO GO FOR THAT?
>> I MEAN, [INAUDIBLE] JUST HAPPENED.
>> NO, NOT ALWAYS UP FOUR YEARS AGO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> PROBABLY ABOUT TWO YEARS UNLESS WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT CLAIMS IN TIME.
>> ON LIABILITY INSURANCE, YOU INDICATED THAT RELATES TO YOU SAID IDENTIFIED SOME MAJOR CATEGORIES.
>> THAT COVERS THE BUILDINGS, THE VEHICLES, THE CYBER SECURITY, COVERS ALL EQUIPMENT.
>> IT'S AUTO INSURANCE, YOU SAID?
>> AUTO COMPREHENSIVE INSURANCE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL GOING FORWARD TO SEE THAT INFORMATION.
I WENT JUST FOR AUTO BECAUSE IT MAKES IT A LOT MORE REAL 70,000.I DON'T KNOW WHAT INSURANCE THE CITY HAS.
WHAT IT COMPASSES IT COMPREHENDS BUT YOU PROVIDED ME SOME EXPLANATION EARLIER, BUT I WANTED TO [INAUDIBLE].
>> STAY IN INSURANCE [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] IT WAS 25 DOLLARS AND WE'VE GOTTEN AN EXTRA AT 5 MILLION DOLLARS IN COVERAGE OR SOMETHING AND IT MADE SENSE AT THAT POINT DURING THAT, THE CYBER SECURITY ISSUE.
>> THAT I THINK THE CITIZENS COULD SEE.
THIS X IS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, FOR FIRE TRUCKS AND SO MUCH IS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. [NOISE]
[OVERLAPPING] THEY NEED TO BREAK IT DOWN FOR OUR AUTOMOBILES AND EQUIPMENT AND THEN PROPERTY.
>> THE MAJOR CATEGORIES THERE IS AT LEAST.
>> THAT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE LIKE ON THE FIRE TRUCKS AND SO FORTH BECAUSE THERE ARE A MILLION BUCKS, SO SOMETHING GETTING JACKED UP WITH THAT AND YOU HAVE TO REPLACE A MILLION DOLLARS, THAT'S WHY THE PREMIUM IS SO HIGH.
>> THAT WILL PROBABLY NEXT YEAR.
>> I'M SURE. [LAUGHTER] THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE THOUGH.
>> THE COST OF ALL THOSE EXPENSES.
THE FIRST ONE IS CREDIT CARD FEES.
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THOSE ARE OFFSET OTHER PLACES.
[NOISE] THOSE AREN'T LIKE WATER UTILITIES [OVERLAPPING] MONEY.
THOSE ARE POLICE DEPARTMENT MONEY THAT COME IN.
>> YES. YOU HAVE ALL THE RECORD TICKETS THAT EVERYONE PAYS.
IT'S GOING TO COVER ALL THOSE.
>> WHEN IT GETS RECORDED THE REVENUES ARE.
>> SOME OF THEM WERE BUILT INTO FUNDS.
SOME OF THEM WERE BUILT INTO PERMITS DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY PAID FOR IT.
>> DO WE PULL IN 40 GRAND IN THAT?
>> [OVERLAPPING] EACH CHARGE [OVERLAPPING] REMITS 3 PERCENT AND THEN CONVENIENCE FEE ONLINE OR SOMETHING.
>>YOU HAVE WATER IN SEPARATE SETTING.
[NOISE] WATER DOESN'T BREAK THESE OUT.
IT'S HARD TO PULL THAT ONE OUT.
>> WE CHARGE BACK TO THE CONVENIENCE FEES WAS VERY [NOISE] HARD FOR PERMANENT.
THEY WRITE ABOUT THREE AND A HALF WE PAY IT, BUT THEN WHEN THAT COMES INTO THE REVENUE SIDE OF.
>> IT'S A WASH. THAT'S A PASS THROUGH.
>> WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT OFFLINE.
THE OTHER THING IS OUR LEGAL FEES.
NOW, WE DO HAVE A NEW ATTORNEY, THE IN-HOUSE ATTORNEY,
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AND YET WE STILL HAVE A $100,000 THAT WE'RE BUDGETING FOR LEGAL FEES.>> MY THOUGHTS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND A $100,000.
OTHERWISE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET RID OF OUR ATTORNEY.
[LAUGHTER] [NOISE] I MEAN, WHAT HAVE WE PAID SO FAR FOR THE MONTH?
>> RIGHT NOW WE'RE HAVING SIGNIFICANT OUTSIDE LEGAL EXPENSES.
>> IT ALL SEEMED TO COME IN ONE TIME.
>> ABOUT $10,000 WOULD PAY TODAY. [NOISE]
>> WE'VE GOT OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE PENDING.
>> THERE ARE LEGAL FEES BUT I'M UNCOMFORTABLE HAVING A $100,000 BUDGET FOR LEGAL FEES IF WE'VE GOT AN IN-HOUSE ATTORNEY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE COVERING MOST OF OUR LEGAL COSTS AND HANDLING MOST OF OUR ISSUES.
>> I THINK THAT NUMBER IS SUCH AN UNKNOWN BECAUSE WE HAVE WATER ISSUES, WE HAVE WASTEWATER TREATMENT.
>> BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE IN THE WATER.
>> NOT ALL OF IT. I DON'T FEEL WORRIED.
>> THE NORTH TEXAS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
>> NORTH TEXAS SHOULD PROBABLY COME OUT WITH WATER.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE MUD AND THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT?
>> WELL, THE MUD AND THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT IS SITTING GENERAL FUND.
>> YEAH. YOU CAN PUT THAT IN GENERAL.
YOU CAN LEAVE THAT LEGAL FEE AT $20,000.
IF SOMETHING COMES UP, WE CAN EMIT.
HERE'S WHY I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING IS IT'S MORE REALISTIC, NUMBER 1.
NUMBER 2, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHEN WE BROUGHT TRAY ON ALMOST ALL FOUR, I'LL PUBLICLY SAY THAT OKAY. WITH HIM IN THE ROOM.
BUT I PROBABLY HAD 25 PEOPLE CALL ME SPECIFICALLY AND ASK ME WHY BECAUSE THE CITY OF OUR SIZE HAVE TO HAVE AND MY REASON FOR WANTING THAT LINE ITEM TO BE MORE REALISTIC AND AN ADDENDUM ITEM IS THAT WE CAN JUSTIFY SAYING, YEAH, THAT'S JUST FOR INCIDENTALS WE'RE HANDLING IS ALL I'M TUNNEL. THAT'S MY OPINION.
GENERALLY, GENERAL COUNSEL'S JOB IS TO LIAISON OUT.
HE'S NOT TRADE IS VERY SMART, BUT HE'S NOT AN EXPERT IN EVERY SINGLE FIELD.
I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE GETTING AN ODD TITLE AND PARTNER HISTORY.
WHERE WE'VE GOT THIS FIGHT OVER HERE AND WE KNOW WHAT THE PROJECTED COSTS ARE.
>> BUT THE POINT BEING IS THAT THEY CAN GO INTO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS OR WERE THEY GO HEADED.
I THINK FROM AN OVERALL COMMUNICATION OF, LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, TO OUR RESIDENTS.
RATHER THAN GETTING THROUGH A COMPLICATED, REALLY CONVOLUTED CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER TO HAVE IT PARSED OUT WHERE IT ACTUALLY IS GOING AS OPPOSED TO JUST LEGAL FEES IN GENERAL BECAUSE IT'S TOO GENERAL AND IT OPENS SO MANY QUESTIONS, IN MY OPINION.
>> LET ME ASK WHAT'S PROBABLY A STUPID QUESTION.
UNDER THIS LEGAL FEES YOU MAYBE THE PERSON TO ANSWER IT UP.
IF WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY WHO IS HELPING US ON A SPECIALIZED INCIDENT AND THAT PERSON NEEDS EXPERTS TO HELP THEM WITHOUT BEING REFLECTED UNDER THIS MONEY?
>> IT WOULD BE, YES. BECAUSE IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT, ARE OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR THE MONTH, THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE ONE CONTRACTOR WITH THE EXPERT WITNESS BECAUSE WE WANT THE WITNESSES TO BE RETAINED IN THE COUNCIL TO PRESERVE ANY PRIVILEGES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THERE.
THE EXPERT IN THAT SITUATION WITHIN OR OUTSIDE COUNSEL WHO WOULD THEN ADD IT INTO HIS BILL BUT IT BELONGS TO US.
>> THE CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE.
I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF BREAKING IT DOWN AND MAYBE HE DOES THIS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WEIGHED IN ON MY CONCERNS FROM THIS STANDPOINT IS I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE IDEA OF WHAT WE WERE GOING FOR A BOND FOR THE BUILDING.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS PEOPLE HAD IS IF WE'VE GOT AN I-MAP $1 MILLION BOND, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING AND CONTRACTORS AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TO DO OR LEARN.
MY CONCERN WITH PUBLISHING OUT AND BREAKING THIS UP IS DOES THAT GIVE AWAY SOME OF OUR, IT BECOMES A PUBLIC RECORD.
WELL, HERE'S HOW MUCH WE DEVOTED TO FIGHT YOU AND WHAT WE GET, WE GET THERE VERSUS DATA BEING MORE GENERIC.
>> [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] WHAT YOU'VE MENTIONED, WITHOUT TRYING TO GET INTO ANY SPECIFICS IN OPEN SESSION, WE HAVE SEVERAL LEGAL ISSUES THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION.
EACH OF THOSE COME WITH THEIR OWN COST AND [LAUGHTER] CHALLENGES.
IF WE WERE TO TRY TO BREAK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE OUT, THEN YES,
[02:30:03]
THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY CONSIDERED FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE.WELL, WE JUST WAIT THEM OUT ANOTHER HOW MANY MONTHS BEFORE WE SET THE CAPITAL.
>> BUT THAT GOES TO MY POINT WHERE IF YOU HAVE THEM SPLIT UP LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE I WAS SUGGESTING, IT WILL BE MORE DIFFICULT FOR SOMEBODY TO TRACE THAT.
>> CHAIRMAN, ARE YOU REFERRING TO LIKE TEXAS?
>> THAT'S WHY IT NEEDS BE SPLIT UP. THAT'S ALREADY IN THE WASTEWATER LEGAL FEES.
>> YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER.
>> THERE'S ALREADY 25,000 THERE.
>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I MISS THEM.
>> THAT'S JUST SOME BLOOD WORK.
>> I WOULDN'T SPLIT IT OUT ANY FURTHER THAN LEGAL FEES.
>> I WAS JUST SAYING THAT FOR THIS GENERAL ONE, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE OUT OF LINE.
>> IT'S DIFFICULT TO SHOW THAT IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S SAME ATTORNEYS.
>> I GET IT FROM AN EXPLANATION STANDPOINT.
I DO GET THE ARGUMENT FROM AN EXPLANATION STANDPOINT, THE RESIDENTS, BUT I THINK THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT OUR RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE PRIVILEGED ITEMS THAT HAVE TO BE A LITTLE MORE GENERIC BECAUSE THEY ARE HANDLED THERE, IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS IF WE WANTED TO ACQUIRE AN ACRE OF LAND.
WE WOULDN'T PUT IT IN HERE TO PURCHASE AN ACRE OF LAND.
WE HAVE $35,000 DOLLARS BECAUSE THEN WHEN WE GO TO NEGOTIATE, THEY'RE GOING BACK.
WE OFFER THREE DIFFERENT ACRES BUT YOU GOT $35.
>> BUT THAT'S MY POINT, IS THAT HAVING A LOWER.
MY POINT IS HAVING IT LOWER IS THAT, IF SOMEBODY GOES IN AND THEY START TRYING TO LOOK AT OUR BOOKS AND WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE IN LITIGATION, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS WE CAN'T GO BACK IN THERE AND MEND THAT BUDGET AND PUT IN WHAT WE NEED.
WHY TIP YOUR HAND? I THINK YOU'RE TIPPING YOUR HAND IN THE OTHER WAY AND SAYING LIKE, "OH, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS MONEY IN THERE." THEY MIGHT LOOK AT THIS AS THEY, OH LOOK, THEY ONLY GOT $15,000 IN THERE.
>> I THINK AS A COUNCIL, WE NEED TO REALLY CONTROL THOSE COSTS.
IF THEY GO OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT I HOPE 100,000, NOT A REASONABLE AMOUNT TO SAYING LET THEM SPEND UP TO A 100,000 BEFORE WE START ASKING QUESTIONS.
>> WHICH WE PUT LIMITS AS WE GO ON THINGS.
I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE DONE THAT.
I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME DROPPING SOMETHING, KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUSH PAST OR WHATEVER WHEN WE DROP IT TOO. THAT'S MY CONCERN.
>> WHY DO YOU FEEL WE ARE GOING TO END UP YOU'RE MORE AWARE OF THIS OR NOT BUT AGAIN, I HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN OUR NEW CITY ATTORNEY.
>> BUT I THINK MATTERS THAT ARE AT HAND.
>> REALLY TRIED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ANSWER ALICE WANTED TO GET TO THE TOP.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT ON THE MATTERS AT HAND, IT JUST RECENT DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE, WE'VE HIT LIMITS ALREADY.
IF YOU GO BACK TO RECENT CONVERSATIONS.
>> I GUESS IF WE NEED TO REASSESS INTO A CLOSED SESSION, WE CAN I KNOW WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP ALL THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS IN OPEN.
>> I FEEL LIKE, WELL, IF WE'RE GOING ANY FURTHER ON THIS, WE WOULD HAVE TO.
>> I THINK RESONANCE HAVE TOLD US, DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO GET READY TO FIGHT AS HARD AS YOU CAN TO GET RID OF WASTEWATER TREATMENT.
>> I THINK TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION, TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM VERSUS WHERE YOU ALL ARE COMING FROM, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE I'M AFRAID IF WE STEP ANY FURTHER, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE UP SOME THINGS.
>> I'M ALREADY FEELING UNCOMFORTABLE DANCING AROUND WHAT WE'VE GOT.
>> I'M COMFORTABLE WITH $100,000 BUDGET.
>> ARE WE ABLE TO GO TO AN EXECUTIVE?
>> THEN I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE GO TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
>> OKAY. THEN UNDER WHICH MIGHT BE THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY.
>> SHE GOT ACTUALLY DO IT FIRST.
THIS WOULD BE UNDER 5510711, CONSTITUTION WITH ATTORNEY, ATTORNEY PENDING OR LITIGATION.
THEN 551.0712, CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY ON THE MATER, WHICH IS THE DUTY OF THE ATTORNEY BODY UNDER THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT WILL STAY [INAUDIBLE] THE CHAPTER. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
>> AT THIS TIME WE ARE REASSESSING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AS DESCRIBED BY TRY.
[02:35:03]
[LAUGHTER] IT IS 3:53.>> WE ARE NOW BACK IN SESSION.
IT IS 4:09 PM ON THE BUDGET WORKSHOP.
IS THERE ANY ACTION TRY FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION?
>> I THINK THE DECISION OF COUNSEL WOMEN AND PLEASE STOP ME IF I'M MISTAKEN.
I THINK THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL IS THAT R&D, I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO PULL THIS, ON THE NON DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET.
THE CLIENT AND THE LEGAL FEES WILL BE $50,000.
THEN ON THE WATER BUDGET, $50,000, FROM THE NON-DEPARTMENTAL WILL BE MOVED OVER TO THE LEGAL FEES ON THE WATER BUDGET, 8605, RATING THAT $75,000 TOTAL THERE.
>> IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT?
>> OKAY. GRANT, YOU WANT TO CONTINUE?
>> SURE. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT APARTMENT IN THE GENERAL FUND THAT WE DISCUSSED?
>> WE CAN GO OVER TO PAGE 15 AND START THE WATERFRONT.
RIGHT NOW THE WATERFRONT WAS BALANCED AT THE SMALL SURPLUS.
THAT CHANGE WILL BE DIPPING INTO FUND BALANCE FOR A ONE-TIME COST FOR THE LEGAL FEES OR OPERATING DEFICIT.
>> NOW, SINCE WE'RE OPERATING IN DEFICIT [INAUDIBLE] ASKED ME FOR METERS EVERY YEAR AND IT MAXES OUT, BUT NON- [INAUDIBLE] THAT WE CLUTCH IT EVERY YEAR.
AND IT STILL DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH.
>> RIGHT NOW IT'S BECOMING HARD TO GIVE METERS. [OVERLAPPING].
>> WATER METERS IT'S GETTING HARD RIGHT NOW BECAUSE [NOISE] WITH THE CHEAP STORAGE.
AND WE'RE LETTING OUR METER WORK NOW IS WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING THEM.
I THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVING THE MATERIAL IS USED TO FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.
AND [BACKGROUND] I THINK IT'S ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO GET THE LAST BATCH.
SO IF WE CAN DO A LARGER ORDER I THINK THAT WILL HELP US OUT.
>> DOES THIS INCLUDE THE TWO INCH METERS? CAUSE I'M GETTING [NOISE] A LOT OF BLACK MOSTLY [NOISE] PEOPLE WHO'VE SAID I'VE BEEN WAITING FOREVER FOR MY NEW METER, MY SMART METER BUT IT'S TWO INCH.
>> WE'VE GONE AWAY FROM THE CENSUS ONES BECAUSE THOSE TAKES FOUR PEOPLE TO BASICALLY INSTALL THAT METER IS SO BIG.
WITH THE NEW [INAUDIBLE] ONE IS THE SAME AS THE THREE QUARTER, IT'S JUST TWO INCH.
IT TAKES TWO PEOPLE TO DO THAT ONE, MAYBE ONE.
THAT YOU WERE WAITING TO SEE THAT AS PILOT PROGRAM AND NOW THE SENSORS OVER THE BATHROOM WAS WORKING WITH PEOPLE DOING A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE BATHROOM METERS. [INAUDIBLE]
>> SO IF THE LEAD TIME, SIX MONTHS.
JUST AGAIN, DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE AND [OVERLAPPING] THEN BUDGET IT'S SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, RIGHT?
>> SO THAT WOULD GO INTO NEXT YEAR'S.
>> THAT'S WHY I WAS [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE] WOULDN'T BE ONETIME COST.
>> ONETIME OFFER. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE] COMING IN.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
>> BECAUSE ESPECIALLY WITH THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE WATER THE NEXT YEAR.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE CHALLENGES WITH [NOISE] FAILURES IN METERS.
>> I'M TRYING TO [INAUDIBLE] SO THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE'RE [INAUDIBLE] [BACKGROUND].
>> [BACKGROUND] THAT'S RIGHT. WE DON'T [INAUDIBLE] AND THAT'S [BACKGROUND]
>> WE'RE TRYING TO TRACK NEW METERS VERSUS REPLACEMENT METERS.
[02:40:04]
THAT DOESN'T REALLY WORK OUT BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE] HE'S GOING THROUGH AND FIND THIS MEANS HE CAN USE THEM WHEREVER HE HAS TO.SO IN TOTAL ABOUT NOW HE'S GOT 35,000 AND 43,000 SOLD 78,000 OR $79,000 [INAUDIBLE] AND HE'D SAID THAT'S JUST DOING WHAT HE HAS TO DO RIGHT NOW.
IT'S NOT FOR THE WORKING PLAN FOR PLACEMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST HAS TO HAVE PRIMITIVE CONSTRUCTION, SOMETHING THAT BREAKS.
>> DO WE GET A REFUND OR WHATEVER IF THE OLD SENSORS METER BREAKS?
LET'S SAY WE HAD ONE WENT OUT AND ANOTHER ONE WENT OUT AND ANOTHER ONE WE'D STILL PROBABLY HAVE A WARRANTY ON THAT METER.
BUT AT THIS POINT, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANYTHING UNDER WARRANTY THESE THINGS.
[NOISE] WE HAVE MORE BADGERS [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING].
>> WELL I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE BADGERS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY MORE SENSORS THAT'D NEED WARRANTIES AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME FAT BATTERY LIKE WARRANTIES.
BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE ABOUT AS FAR AS THE SENSORS GET THAT'S TYPICALLY THE LONGEST WARRANTIES WOULD GET THE BATTERIES RUNNING.
>> WHEN THE CENSUS ONES WERE [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] I THINK IT [INAUDIBLE] [BACKGROUND]THE ONES THAT SURVIVED.
>> YOU REMEMBER WE ACTUALLY HAD TO SPEND MORE FUNDS ON THE CENSUS, ONCE THE INSTALL STARTED BECAUSE OF THE SETS.
YOU HAVE TO BUY THE ADDITIONAL SET.
[BACKGROUND] THE GROUND SHIFTING WHICH WAS CAUSING THE PLASTIC TO CRACK.
WE DON'T HAVE THESE ISSUES NOW WHEN THE BATHROOM METERS OR THE CRACK, [INAUDIBLE] STRAIGHT PIPES.
[OVERLAPPING] IT'S A LOT BETTER SYSTEM AND [INAUDIBLE] [BACKGROUND]
>> IT'S JUST THAT IF WE CAN [INAUDIBLE] THE MONEY FROM THE OLD SYSTEM BECAUSE THEIR PRODUCT WAS NOT, WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE. THEN I WOULD WANT TO [OVERLAPPING]
>> [INAUDIBLE] IN TO THAT LEGAL ASPECT WE WERE BEYOND A REASONABLE [INAUDIBLE]
>> IS GARY WANTING MORE THAN WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET?
>> I'D ALWAYS TRIED TO BALANCE THE BUDGET.
>> SO HE'S LIMITED EVERY YEAR, TO WHATEVER JUST HAS TO BE REPLACED.
>> [INAUDIBLE] AND THOSE WERE REALLY THE [OVERLAPPING] ARE RISKIER THAN ONE CENTIMETER.
>> OKAY THAT WAS WHAT I WAS MISSING.
>> PAGE 16. THIS WILL BE YOUR REPLACEMENT METERS AND PAGE 17 IS GOING TO BE NEW METERS.
>> BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER. [OVERLAPPING] IT DOESN'T MATTER.
>> SO YOU WANT TO INCREASE UP FROM 43 TO?
>> ON PAGE 16 THE REPLACEMENT ONES, I WOULD SAY THAT AT LEAST ANOTHER $25,000 FOR HIM TO AT LEAST BUILD UP THE INVENTORY METERS.
>> SO I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE ANTICIPATED FINE [INAUDIBLE] FOR THIS YEAR, LOOKING BACK AT ACTUAL FOR LAST YEAR, WE ENDED UP WITH A NET REVENUE IN THAT WATER WAGE WATER FUND, ABOUT 200,000.
>> BUT THIS REVENUES ARE COMING [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE WERE TEETERING ON IT UNTIL MID-AUGUST, WARMED UP REAL QUICK AND EVERYONE'S PERFECT WATERING.
[INAUDIBLE] WE WERE WATCHING THAT RIGHT NOW PRETTY CLOSELY AT THAT TIME.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO BE WAY OVER.
>> YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO BE WAY OVER AND I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT ME TAKING [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING].
>> BUMPS AREN'T OVER THE LAST ONE IN 2010.
>> I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER.
>> NOW, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS ON MY FLIGHT BACK.
THIS MIGHT BE A STUPID WAY TO THINK ABOUT THIS, BUT WITH A NUMBER OF HOUSES INCREASING THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE WOULD IT MAYBE NOT BE SUCH A BAD THING FOR THE TAKE-HOME PAY TO GO HIGHER BECAUSE THEN WE CAN GUARANTEE THAT. [OVERLAPPING].
[02:45:02]
>> ITS JUST A THOUGHT THAT I HAD ON MY MIND.
>> YEAH I KNOW WHAT YOU WANTED.
>>NO. I'D SAY THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION, BUT I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. YEAH.
>> SO YEAH. SO HE WANTS TO ADD BASICALLY ABOUT ANOTHER 70 METERS? [INAUDIBLE]
>> IF YOU'D ASKED ME NOW I'D JUST HAVE SAID NO, [LAUGHTER] IT WASN'T A BALANCED BUDGET.
>> WELL, LET ME ADD BECAUSE I NOTICED THERE'S SOME OTHER SMALLER AMOUNTS, BUT THEY WERE TRICKLING.
BACK TRAILER [INAUDIBLE] WRITTEN THE BACK TRAILER, SPEND MONEY FOR NOSES?
>> WELL, SOME OF THOSE [INAUDIBLE] [BACKGROUND] [OVERLAPPING]
THAT TRUCK, THAT HELPS US, IT'S A-
>> LOOK, THIS IS THE BACK TRAILER [INAUDIBLE] EVERYTHING ELSE.
>> WE'RE ORDERING THE NEW TRUCK TRAILING DOWN.
THE TRUCK THAT WORKS, SO TRAILERS AREN'T NOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIX IT. [LAUGHTER]
>> WE CAN CHECK ON THAT. THE ONE THING THAT I CAN SEE IS, THE FEW BACK TRAILER WASN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET IT FOR SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING.
IN THE MEANTIME, IT WAS ALWAYS WAS IMPORTANT SO.
WE HAVEN'T FIXED THE EXISTING ONES, SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CONVERSATION.
ANYWAY. THEY WOULD RENT ONE INSTEAD OF PAYING TO FIXED ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRASH OUT.
>> UNLESS OF COURSE THAT INCREMENTAL COST THAT WE GET TO SELL IT WOULD BE [NOISE] HIGHER WITH THE NEW HOSES ON IT.
>> WELL, IT'S REPLACED ON THAT.
>> INCREMENTAL COST IS A KEY ITEM.
>> I WOULD SAY, WE CAN LOWER THAT NUMBER.
I BELIEVE A LITTLE BIT LIKE MUD IS ON THE WATER BECAUSE HE DOES BOTTLE WRENCHES AND TOOLS [INAUDIBLE] THOUSAND DOLLARS OR SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY YES, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED THEM, NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON IT.
>> BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER PLACES THAT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH STOCKING METERS, THAT WOULD BOND LATER.
WE HAD A PLUS IN THE BUDGET, SO NOW'S THE TIME TO DO IT.
>> ONE THING WAS JUST BROUGHT TO ME RECENTLY BECAUSE WE'RE BACK ON THE WATER TOWER, WHERE THE WATER TOWER IS, HE'D LIKE TO GET A FIXING FOR THAT, WHERE IT KEEPS THE WATER MOVING IN THERE.
THAT'S ABOUT PUTTING THAT METER IN THERE.
I WASN'T SURE THE COUNCIL WAS GOING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION BUT, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO KEEP.
>> STAY OUT THERE WITH THE TORCH.
>> IT KEEPS IT MOVING, THE WATER CIRCULATING IN THERE.
THAT WAY IT DOESN'T GET STAGNANT AND THEN WE HAVE TO.
>> EVACUATE IT. [OVERLAPPING] YEAH.
>> IT BECOMES STAGNANT AND YOU'VE GOT A RID.
>> I BELIEVE IT HAPPENED ONCE WHEN JEFF WAS STILL HERE.
>> I DON'T RECALL WHEN JEFF WAS HERE [LAUGHTER]
>> HOW MANY MORE SENSORS THAT BINDS US TO THE [INAUDIBLE]
>> IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF?
>> YEAH. WHEN THEY BREAK, WE REPLACE THEM WITH THE BADGER.
>> OKAY, AND THE REASON I ASK THIS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A $22,000 A YEAR OF MAINTENANCE, SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE OR IS IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT?
>> YEAH. WHAT HAPPENS IS, YOU EITHER PAY IT'S A SENSITIVE PAPER LEAK.
SO LET'S HOPE WE HAVE FEWER SENSORS METERS ON THE GROUND [INAUDIBLE].
>> THAT ONE USES A NETWORK SYSTEM.
THE SENSORS USES A NETWORK SYSTEM THAT HAS A TOWER HERE AT THE BIG WATER TOWER.
BUT THAT IS LONG AND IT KNOCKS IT TO HAPPEN SO, REMOVES CAPABILITIES FOR IT TO COME HERE, WHICH MEANS EVERYONE IN THE CITY AND THE OTHER ONE, WE GET THE BADGER, IT USES THE ACTUAL DATA NETWORK, VERIZON AND PULSAR NUMBERS ON THE NETWORK.
SO I PREFER THE DATA NETWORK JUST BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO WORK A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND I HAVE NO ISSUES.
STORM IS COMING IN AND KNOCKS THAT AWAY THE TOWER WITH LARGE WAVES THAT SCREWS UP EVERYONE.
[02:50:05]
MORE DEVICES TO TRANSFER OUT THE OLD ONES, IS THAT WE GET MORE EFFICIENCY OF OUR STAFF BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T HAVE DONE.>> THE NICE THING ABOUT THE BADGER IS THEY HAVEN'T [NOISE] I THINK IT'S GOT 22 ITEMS. WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS IF SOMEONE MESSES WITH A WIRE OR ANYTHING, THEY DIDN'T KNOW I COULD GET NOTIFIED IF I WORKED HARD WATER USAGE, SO THEY CAN GO OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK MAKE SURE SOMETHING IS NOT GOING ON WITH THE METER AND SO THEY'D GET THOSE NOTIFICATIONS, YOU DON'T GET THAT.
>> SOME PART OF THE QUESTION ABOUT THE METERS HAS BEEN THOUGH, THAT WE CAN USE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN.
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE RUN OUT OF METERS NOW? CERTAINLY WE HAVE WATER METERS OR WE WOULDN'T BE BUYING THEN EXCESS NEXT YEAR.
>> WE BOUGHT SOMETHING WORKING.
>> YOU SAID, HE SAID THE BUS COME FROM.
>> YEAH, I THINK THEY BORROWED SOMETHING UNTIL THEY ORDER SOME AND THEY CAME IN AND THEY WILL REPLACE THERE.
>> WE ALL HAVE TO BE IN THAT POSITION.
>> IF WE'RE USING THEM FOR OTHER REASONS [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S UNFORTUNATE WHAT'S GOING ON VELOCITIES RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE BOTHER AGAIN AND WE CAN'T PROMISE THEM THAT ANYTHING TERRIBLE CAN HAPPEN.
BECAUSE EVERYTHING WAS SHUT DOWN.
WE NEEDED TO FILL IN SOME FILTER [INAUDIBLE] ON THE NEXT DAY.
>> I'M IN FAVOR OF EXTRA METERS.
>> YEAH, ME TOO. IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO USE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE AVAILABILITY IS A CHALLENGE ANYWAY.
>> I UNDERSTAND BUT WE'VE NEVER DID IT OR NEVER DONE FOR WATER. I DON'T KNOW-.
>> TOWER AND AT THIS POINT THEY'RE FILLING IT, CAN HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE USAGE THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE TOWER.
>> BUT IT'S GETTING CIRCULATED THROUGH USAGE.
>> BUT IT'S TAKEN A WHILE TO GET THROUGH THERE AND THEY WANT TO KEEP IT CIRCULATING.
THAT WATER CIRCULATING SO IT DOESN'T BECOME STAGNANT FOR DUMPING ALL THAT.
>> WE HAVE NOT BACK FILLED THAT AREA FOR THE WINTER MONTHS YET.
>> NO, WE JUST STARTED BACKFILLING IT.
>> WHEN THE DEMAND GOES DOWN IN THE WINTER WE'RE MORE LIKELY TO RUN INTO THAT SITUATION.
>> EXACTLY. ALSO THE MONEY FOR THAT, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY DEMAND TO CONSTRUCTION FIRM DURING THAT CONVERSATION OR SO THAT BOND USAGE, ETC.
>> SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE OUT OF THE BUCKET.
>> SORRY, IF YOU GUYS ARE UP HERE WITH US GETTING THAT. [NOISE]
>> CAN I GET ONE OF THOSE FUNDS? [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING]
>> GRANT, AM I REALLY STRIKE THAT?
>> THE CHIEF BROOKS BOND, THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED. [LAUGHTER]
WHY WOULD E-BILL WITH THIS $12,000?
THEY CALL IT E-BILLING BECAUSE WE SEND THE FILE TO THEM AND THEY PRINT OUT THE WATER BILLS TO KNOW ABOUT EVERYTHING TOWARDS THAT SERVICE.
>> OKAY, I COULDN'T [OVERLAPPING] ON THE REPRODUCTIVE OUTSIDE IS THAT LIKE THE BIG PLOTS?
>> THE CCR WATER REPORT? THE $5,000.
>> WHEN YOU TRY TO BLOW UP BOB IN BILLING. [INAUDIBLE]
>> REPRODUCTION OUTSIDE AND THEN EVERYTHING BELOW THAT IS WHAT IT'S MADE UP OF, SO IT'S THE EMAILING, [INAUDIBLE] THE SEASONAL WATER REPORT.
>> HOPEFULLY, WE'VE OVER BUDGETED FOR FILLS SUCH AS [OVERLAPPING]
>> I JUST WANTED YOU TO SEE COLUMN HERE FOR UNFUNDED MANDATE.
>> IT'S MANDATED BUT NOT OVER THE QUALITY OR ENVIRONMENTAL-
>> OR USE RESPONDING TO THE SAME VIOLATION 14TH CONGRESS, WHATEVER IT IS. [NOISE]
[02:55:49]
>> [BACKGROUND] SOLID WASTE WHICH IS 4211.
>> CINDY, ARE YOU STILL ABLE TO HEAR US?
[03:04:29]
>> THIS COPY IS EXPENSIVE, 12K.
COLOR. OF COURSE, THEN YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THE LASER STUFF ON IT.
>> WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES OTHER THEN THE ONE [INAUDIBLE].
[03:05:05]
[NOISE]>> I THINK WE'LL BE FINE [INAUDIBLE].
>> I'M JUST REMEMBERING A PHRASE WE HAD TO REALLY UPGRADE.
>> WE HOT-WIRED IT. [LAUGHTER]
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE NEED A REGULAR REPLACEMENT FUND WHERE WE START BUILDING FOR THAT SO IF WE HAVE A SITUATION IN THE FUTURE.
WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WINDOWS 98, WHICH WAS A LITTLE DATED.
SHOULDN'T WE START PREPARING WHEN WE'RE AT WINDOWS 20? [LAUGHTER]
>> THAT'S WHAT THIS FUND IS FOR.
>> YEAH, WITH THE WATER FUND [INAUDIBLE] BALANCE IT HAS, WE NEED [INAUDIBLE] DIP INTO THAT FUND BALANCE IF POSSIBLE.
>> OKAY, YOU DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO HAVE A TECHNOLOGY FUND?
>> MAYBE WE CAN PUT IT IN THERE.
I THINK IT WOULD COST US 26,000.
MAYBE WE USE THE [INAUDIBLE] FUNDS.
WE CAN START PUTTING MONEY ASIDE FOR THAT BUT THAT'S THE NEWEST GREATEST SYSTEM.
>> WE HAVE SUCH A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE, THE $26,000.
>> IF IT CAME UP, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO UNLESS WE HAD TO, BUT WE JUST GOT LUCKY THAT YEAR BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN AT SOME POINT. IT DID.
>> WE'VE GOT THE FUND OUT THERE.
>> WE GOT MONKEYPOX GOING AROUND NOW.
>> EXACTLY. YEAH, I SAW CALIFORNIA HAD LIKE 40 CASES AND THEY WANT TO SHUT DOWN THE PLACE.
>> PAGE 29 IS THE PARKS FUND AND THEY RECEIVED 14,000 FROM THE PARKER WOMEN'S CLUB IN OUR CURRENT YEAR AND NOT GOING TO SPEND IT UNTIL NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
>> OH 10,000 [INAUDIBLE] OKAY.
>> MAYBE THIS IS A STUPID QUESTION BUT SHOULDN'T THAT BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE ACTUALS TO SHOW THAT WE GOT THE 14,000 THAT WASN'T BUDGETED?
>> WELL, THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR JUST THE 3531.
>> I GUESS THEY DIDN'T TURN IN THEIR BUDGET.
>> BUT I DO KNOW THERE'S ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE OUT THERE IS THAT SPLIT RAILING FENCE.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH SHOT AS THIS POINT OVER BY THE OLD ROSE GARDEN, THE NEW FLOWER AREA.
WE DID GET A CITIZEN THAT WOULD DONATE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT TOWARDS IT BUT WE [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE STILL GOT TO COME UP WITH 2,500.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND BUDGET THAT IF WE CAN.
>> I THINK THAT'S AN AREA THAT IS UTILIZED.
[NOISE] I'VE BEEN UP THERE ON A NICE WEEKEND.
>> WELL, I WOULD HATE TO HAVE SOMEBODY EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE REALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO DO IT, CLIMB UP ON IT.
>> WHAT IS THAT? A 100 IS OUR PART OF THAT ROUGHLY?
>> THEY WILL REPLACE THE WHOLE THING THEN?
>> I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT; TO ADD THAT TO THE BUDGET.
>> THAT MEANS YOU WOULD NEED TO INCREASE THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
>> WELL, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, 2,700 I WOULD SAY PAY FOR IT OUT OF OUR DEPARTMENTAL MAINTENANCE ACCOUNT THAT WE HAVE AND USE THAT RATHER TRANSFER IT OVER THERE AND THEN TRANSFER IT UP FROM [INAUDIBLE].
>> LET'S DO THAT. YEAH, THAT'S MUCH CLEANER.
>> THERE'S GOING TO BE A SLIGHT [INAUDIBLE].
>> YEAH. IF IT DOESN'T GET DONE UNTIL NEXT CALENDAR YEAR, SO WHAT?
>> IF I COULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY GET IT DONE FAIRLY QUICK.
BUT MY POINT BEING IS THAT I'D BE FINE WITH PAYING THE 2,700 AND EVEN IF IT DID TAKE TILL NEXT SPRING, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
>> WE'LL GET WITH JIM ON [INAUDIBLE].
>> PAGE 30, 31 IS THE DEBT SERVICE FUND.
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>> SHOULDN'T BE MUCH IN THAN THAT, I HOPE.
>> GETTING PRETTY CLOSE ON PAYING OFF [INAUDIBLE].
>> THESE ARE THE CHECKS WE NEED SIGNED IN.
>> YEAH, THIS IS A LITTLE PAYMENT.
>> THIRTY, 32 IS THE [INAUDIBLE] FEES AND THERE'S NO EXPENSES [INAUDIBLE] JUST A LITTLE REVENUE.
>> IS THIS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR?
>> THE BORDER WITH [INAUDIBLE].
>> [INAUDIBLE] THAT ONE IS 31 [INAUDIBLE] REVENUE FUND.
>> OH, OKAY. SORRY. THANK YOU, THERE IT IS.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PRINT THESE A LITTLE LARGER.
>> [INAUDIBLE] RECONSTRUCTION, THIS IS BETWEEN [INAUDIBLE].
>> NO, WE USE SAP [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE] USING THIS TO FUND, IN THE LONG-TERM, STREET CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THESE FUNDS WHEN WE GET TOWARD THE END, AS FAR AS LOOKING AT OUR TARGET TAX RATE, AND HOW MUCH WE SHOULD BE PUTTING IN TO THESE FUNDS IS WHAT WE PUTTING IN OR WE CAN [INAUDIBLE]. [LAUGHTER]
>> UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE IT SPECIFIED AS TO WHAT IT'S GOING FORWARD AT THIS POINT.
>> [NOISE] WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT.
>> BUT I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE ON THE STREET CONSTRUCTION.
SAME WITH THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT FUND.
>> TWENTY THOUSAND [INAUDIBLE]
>> NO RAIN. [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING].
>> I DON'T SEE IT IN HERE AT ALL. [LAUGHTER]
>> [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE] YOU'RE WELCOME.
>> ON PAGE 34 IS THE UTILITY CONSTRUCTION FUND.
WE LOOK INTO, WE'RE NOT IN DEFICIT.
[INAUDIBLE] THAT HASN'T BEEN SPENT THIS YEAR, WE'RE SPENDING NEXT YEAR [INAUDIBLE].
>> THAT'S ABOUT HOW MUCH IS IT?
>> [OVERLAPPING] THIS IS ALSO THE PLACE THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO OR THE FUND THAT WE'RE BUILDING FOR THE WATER EMPLOYEES WILL DO IT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] TO PAGE 35, YOU SEE IS THE WATER FUNDING AND 36 [INAUDIBLE] THIS YEAR [INAUDIBLE].
THAT'S THE FUND FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
WITH THE ITEMS IN THE LIST, AS OF NOW, BACK TO, THIS IS THE VERY FIRST PAGE.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY STARTED OUT HERE WITH $378,000 SURPLUS.
THE SUPPLEMENTALS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE END RAISED WERE $83,136.
THAT DROPPED IT DOWN TO $245,000 SURPLUS AND THEN ADD 50,000 FOR THE LEGAL FEES THAT WE CHARGE.
SO NOW WE'RE 295,000. [OVERLAPPING]
>> HUNDRED AND EIGHT FIVE, RIGHT?
>> WE TOOK AWAY 50,000 EXPENSE TO [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S RIGHT. THIS IS IN THE GENERAL. THAT'S RIGHT.
>> NOW WE HAVE A SURPLUS OF $295,177.
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>> [NOISE] WE'RE UP FOR DISCUSSION NOW.
PROCEED WITH SURPLUS, PROCEED WITH TAX RATE.
SYSTEM PROPOSED TAX RATE WILL BE NEXT YEAR'S [NOISE] [INAUDIBLE] TAX RATE USED FOR THAT MEETING.
AND ALSO A DISCUSSION ON THAT.
>> OUR TAX RATE THAT WE'RE SITTING AT RIGHT NOW, TOTAL TAX IS 0.343399.
>> THAT'S PRESENTED. A NO NEW REVENUE RATE WOULD BE 0.320101, CORRECT?
>> SO THAT IF WE ADDED THE 295K OF SURPLUS TO DEDUCT TO THAT, WHERE WOULD THAT GET US?
>> IF WE TOOK THE 295 SURPLUS AMOUNT OFF OF WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, MADE IT TO ZERO.
>> WE USE THE TAX RATES TO BALANCE INTO ZERO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> [INAUDIBLE] ASKED IF WITH THE $295,000 SURPLUS RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE, IF WE WANTED TO GET THAT TO ZERO, WHAT IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE ON THE TAX RATE?
>> [INAUDIBLE] IT WOULD BE ANOTHER TWO CENTS.
>> YEAH, TWO AND CHANGE IS WHAT I'M THINKING.
THAT GETS YOU DOWN NEAR THE- IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN A [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] 0.33.
JUST THE THOUGHT. MY INKLING IS TO HAVE A NO NEW TAX REVENUE.
>> HAVING A NO NEW TAX REVENUE IS A REASONABLE GOAL CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT WE'RE PUTTING INTO THE FUNDS AT THE PRESENT TIME.
>> I'M JUST GOING JUST TO SAY [INAUDIBLE] CHANGED, SO IF WE NEED THE INCREASE NEXT YEAR, IT MIGHT ALSO REQUIRE BOARD APPROVAL DEPENDING ON IF IT'S JUST [INAUDIBLE] NEXT YEAR [INAUDIBLE].
>> HISTORICALLY, IN PARKER, EVERY TIME TAX RATE HAS BEEN REDUCED, THE NEXT YEAR IT'S HAD TO BE INCREASED SO JUST BE AWARE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE OR LOOKING AT IT A DIFFERENT WAY, SETTING IT UP TO WHERE THE RESIDENTS PAY NO MORE TAXES THIS YEAR THAN THEY DID LAST YEAR, TO ME, IS A GOAL AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS DOABLE.
NOW, I DO KNOW THAT IF WE NEED MORE IN THE FUTURE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY IT AND BE ABLE TO GET THE RESIDENT'S APPROVAL.
>> I MEAN, IF THEY WOULD APPROVE THE BOND, BY DEFINITION, THEY KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO IMPACT THAT. [NOISE]
>> WE NEED THE TIME TO HAVE TO RAISE IT.
>> THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE THE TAX INCREASE.
>> THEY HAVE TO INCREASE THE REVENUES [INAUDIBLE] ONE YEAR, SO IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR SOMEONE TO [INAUDIBLE] MORE.
THAT'S JUST THE STANDARD I THINK [INAUDIBLE]
>> NO MATTER WHAT WE ARE AT, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE IN A TAX RATE DECREASE JUST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING]
[03:20:02]
>> BUT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER THE TAXES RESIDENTS PAY.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE APPRAISED VALUE IS OR THE TAX RATE, THE TWO TOGETHER MAKE WHAT THE RESIDENTS PAY.
>> THEN THE RAISE DOESN'T MATTER, IT'S WHAT WHAT CHECK AM I WRITING.
>> WHAT GOES OUT IN MY ACCOUNT.
>> RIGHT NOW WE ARE DOING THE REDUCTION AND ITS GOING TO 0.35.
I KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE RAISE, I'LL BE WORRIED ONLY NOT HAVING PEOPLE PAY.
WE HAVE A $295,000 SURPLUS, WHICH IF WE DO THE TAX REDUCTIONS, WOULD BE ROUGHLY $0.02, WHICH WOULD PUT IT AT 0.33.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IT'D MAKE UP THE ADDITIONAL $145,802 BY PICKING A FUND OR MAYBE MULTIPLE BUDS AND DROPPING THE DOLLARS OUT OF THERE TO BASICALLY BUY DOWN TAX INFLATION.
>> CORRECT. [NOISE] BLESS YOU.
>> THE ARGUMENT OR THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT IS THOSE FUNDS ARE CASH SITTING IN A BANK ACCOUNT.
THAT IS NOT DEFINED AS TO HOW THOSE MONEYS ARE GOING TO BE SPENT.
THEY CAN BE MOVED AROUND, THE CITY, CAN DETERMINE IT, PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I DO LIKE THE PRICE, BUT I THINK HAVING A POINT WHERE YOU SAY, I AM GOING TO WATCH OUT FOR THE RESONANCE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IS GOOD.
NOW I'M GOING TO THROW SOMETHING OUT JUST TO LIKE WHAT? CAUSE TROUBLE OR SOMETHING.
[LAUGHTER] BUT TO ME, WE NEED TO FIND BETTER WAYS OF GETTING REVENUES OTHER THAN FROM OUR RESIDENTS.
>> THE SALES TAX THAT'S SITTING OUT THERE THAT IS NOT COLLECTED FROM YES, SOME OF ITS RESIDENTS, BUT A LOT OF IT IS NOT AND PEOPLE HAVE A CHOICE OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY SPEND THOSE MONIES OR NOT.
THAT'S BASICALLY $400,000 AND I KNOW IT WAS PUT ON THE BALLOT A FEW YEARS AGO, BUT THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED AT THE VERY BEGINNING WAS POOR.
>> WELL, EVEN WITHIN COUNCIL, THERE WAS ARGUMENTS AS TO WHAT WE WERE USING THIS FOR.
MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I'M WORKING ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, I REALLY THINK RHODES, YET NEED TO HAVE A DESIGNATED MONEY COMING IN.
I THINK IF RESIDENTS WERE PRESENTED WITH A REQUEST TO INCREASE SALES TAX, THAT WOULD BRING US $400,000 MORE IF WE BROUGHT OUR OUR TAXES TO NO NEW REVENUE [LAUGHTER] [NOISE] BUT WE'RE COMING BACK TO THE RESIDENTS SAYING, I'M TRYING REAL HARD TO KEEP YOUR TAXES.
THE TAXES YOU PAY TO THE CITY OF PARKER THE SAME AND WE DID THAT ON OUR PROPERTY TAXES THIS YEAR.
BUT WE DO KNOW WE'VE GOT ROADS THAT ARE IN NEED OF REPAIR.
WE KNOW SOMETHING'S COMING IN THE FUTURE.
HELP US BUILD A FUND TO DO THAT BY USING ANOTHER SOURCE OF REVENUE THAT'S NOT YOUR PROPERTY TAX.
>> IN SALES TAX AND I THINK THAT'S A LONGER DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK THAT I WOULD AGREE IN THE IDEAS THAT YOU CAN ALSO ADVERTISE WHERE OUR CURRENT SALES TAX DOLLARS COME FROM.
IF YOU DID THAT, MOST RESIDENTS WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT FOR YOU, IT'S FOR PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF PARKER THAT COME TO VENUES IN PARKER AND WHERE THEY'RE SPENDING MONEY AND BOOKING EVENTS.
I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A BUNCH OF OTHER OPTIONS IN WHICH WE COULD POSSIBLY EVEN GET THE SALES TAX DOLLARS FROM OUR ETJS IF WE DEVELOPED DISTRICTS.
I THINK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT FOR AWHILE AND IT NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE FOREFRONT.
I THINK WE'RE A LOT CLOSER TO BEING ABLE TO DO THIS THAN A LITTLE MORE LAST YEAR.
LAST YEAR WE WERE WAY BEHIND THE CURVE.
BUT TO GET TO IT, MY ONLY CONCERN, MY ONLY HESITATION IS AND IT'S REALLY MY ONLY ONE IS WE DO THAT RIGHT, AND WE HIT A DOLLAR AMOUNT AND WE KNOW WHAT THE REVENUES ARE.
NEXT YEAR WITH INFLATIONS AND EVERYTHING, WHAT'S THE SERVICES ARE WE GOING TO BE WILLING TO CUT OR ARE WE GOING TO CUT MORE THAN THE FUNDS AGAIN NEXT YEAR TO OFFSET THE INCREASE IN COST BECAUSE WE CAN'T RAISE THE TAX RATE WITHOUT GOING BELOW THE CURVE?
>> YOU WILL RAISE YOUR TAXES BY VIRTUE
[03:25:03]
OF NEW PROPERTIES COMING ON, WHICH REQUIRE SERVICES.>> I THINK WHAT SHE'S SAYING LEE IS THAT THE ACTUAL REVENUE WILL CONTINUE TO GO UP AT THE SAME RATE.
IT'S THE SAME WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE NO-NEW TAX REVENUES.
THE REASON THAT WE CAN DO THIS IS BECAUSE THERE WERE MORE HOMES THAT CAME IN.
THERE WAS OTHER THINGS THAT HAD COME IN SO THE ACTUAL AMOUNT OF WHAT WAS PAID [NOISE] TO THE CITY IS HIGHER BECAUSE THERE'S MORE HOMES AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT PER RESIDENT THAT HAVE BEEN HERE, WE WANT TO KEEP IT THE SAME.
I LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S A FISCAL RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY PAYING THE SAME YEAR-TO-YEAR.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A VERY BIG ISSUE FOR US TO BRING IT UP ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, INFLATIONARY AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE'S DISPOSABLE INCOMES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I LIKE THE IDEA AND I AGREE AS MORE HOMES COME IN YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE REVENUE AT THE SAME RATE, PERIOD.
>> BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR SERVICES FOR ALL OF THOSE NEW HOMES AND SOMETIMES THAT DOESN'T GET LOOKED AT.
>> I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD AND I'M NOT DEBATING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK THAT WHEN WE'VE TALKED THROUGH THIS WITH [NOISE] ALL OF OUR SERVICE GROUPS, WHETHER IT BE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHETHER IT BE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHETHER IT BE PUBLIC WORKS.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT THESE BUDGETS AND WE LOOKED OUT FURTHER, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A BUILD OUT WHERE THE LEVEL OF PERSONNEL THAT WE HAVE SHOULD SUPPORT THAT.
IN THEORY, I KNOW FUEL COSTS GO UP, ALL ACCOUNT SERVICES GO UP AND ALL THOSE THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE INFLATIONARY THINGS AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MICHAEL.
BUT IN GENERAL, AS FAR AS THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE TO SUPPORT WHERE WE ARE, WE SHOULD BE OKAY.
AT LEAST IN ALL THE BUDGETS I'VE LOOKED AT AND ALL OF THE PERSONAL THINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT ARE ON TIME.
I FEEL FUNDAMENTALLY THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT.
LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, WE HAVE THE ABILITIES WITH THE SURPLUS TO ALMOST GET THERE.
BUT, I'M GOING TO PICK ON WHAT G. BROOKS WAS SAYING, [LAUGHTER] WE DID JUST GIVE HIM THE PROVINCE OF LOOKING AT OUR POSITION SIX MONTHS, WHICH IS GOING TO COST.
THAT ADDS TO THE BOTTOM LINE THAT IT IS NOT A SMALL COST TO BE ALMOST THE SAME AS THE ONE STEP OF THE TAX REDUCTION.
IF WE GRANT HIM THAT, HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT NEXT YEAR?
>> WELL, HOW MANY HOMES DO WE HAVE THAT ARE GOING ON THE GROUND NEXT YEAR?
>> I DON'T KNOW. AT THIS POINT, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> IF THOSE DO GO ON, WE COULD BE IN A SIMILAR POSITION EVEN IF WE GO TO THE NO-NEW-REVENUE RATE.
THAT WHY I'VE BEEN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING BEFORE I GET MY ACTUAL OPINIONS HERE.
IF WE DO THIS, THERE IS A CHANCE THAT EVEN IF WE GO TO THE NO-NEW-REVENUE RATE THAT NEXT YEAR WE COULD HAVE AN INFLUX OF PROPERTY AND BE IN THE SAME SITUATION WHERE WE HIT THE DE MINIMIS AGAIN AND, OR GET CLOSER BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
>> [OVERLAPPING] ASSESSING THEM NEXT YEAR AND THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE AMENDMENTS GOING ON [INAUDIBLE].
>> IF WE HIT THE DE MINIMIS RATE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS BECAUSE OF THE APPRAISED VALUES.
>> WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO GAIN $500,000.
>> THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR THOUGH.
>> WILL, YOU JUST SAY THAT BASED ON IT, BUT REMEMBER, IT'S THE VALUE OF A HOUSE ON JANUARY 1, FOR THE SIX MONTHS PRIOR, SIX MONTHS PRIOR TO THAT IS JUNE.
WE WERE AT THE HIGHEST POINT IN HOUSING IN JUNE.
THE COST PER HOUSE WAS UP HIGHER IN JUNE.
THERE'S A VERY GOOD CHANCE WE DO IT THAT I THINK.
BECAUSE UNLESS THE LESS APPRAISERS ARE GETTING VERY GENEROUS AND LET YOU LOOK AT SOME LOWER END, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE SIX MONTHS PRIOR BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOUR HOUSE WAS WORTH ON JANUARY 1.
JUST LIKE THIS YEAR, THIS GOT HIT NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENS DURING THE SPRING AND EVERYBODY FORGETS ABOUT THAT WHEN THE VALUES WERE SO HIGH.
ALL THE VALUE IN A MULTIPLE OFFER SITUATION AND ALL THAT HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS, IS NOT ACCOUNTED FOR IN THIS BUDGET BECAUSE IT WAS WHAT WAS YOUR HOUSE WORTH JANUARY 1, 2022, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN DECEMBER TO JUNE OF LAST YEAR'S VALUES.
WE'RE GOING TO GET PROBABLY A HIDDEN GIFT.
BUT IF WE DO THE BENEFIT IS THE MONEY WILL COME UP HERE REGARDLESS, SOMETHING THAT THE END OF THE DAY AS A RESIDENT WE CARE ABOUT OUR TAX BILLS IS SITTING AND WE CARE ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WILL COME IN.
THE RATES IRRESPECTIVE, IT'S HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE BRINGING IN TO PROVIDE FOR SERVICES.
TO SOLIDIFY THE WHOLE ARGUMENT ABOUT KEEPING IT AT A NO-NEW-REVENUE, WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE BOTH AS FAR AS BACKLOG OF HOMES GOING IN, THERE'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE MORE HOMES IN PARKER NEXT YEAR THAN THIS YEAR.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
THE AVERAGE HOME WAS GOING TO BE AT LEAST PROBABLY AT THE 931,000 OR WHATEVER THAT WAS APPRAISED AT.
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YOU CAN JUST RUN THOSE NUMBERS AND LOOK AND SEE, I DON'T SEE ANY WAY HOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN A SITUATION SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WERE THIS YEAR.>> I DO BECAUSE THE HOUSING MARKET HAS ALREADY BEING AFFECTED BY THE INFLATION RIGHTS THAT ARE GOING UP.
>> THAT IS GOING TO CAUSE SOME PEOPLE TO BACK OUT OF THE HOUSES.
[NOISE] IT'S GOING TO CAUSE SOME PEOPLE NOT TO START THAT OUT.
BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY UNKNOWNS IT'S SCARING THEM AWAY.
>> YEAH. I JUST THINK THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE MILLION-DOLLAR HOUSE MARKET, YES, YOU HAVE LARGER NUMBERS, SO THE INTEREST RATE IT AFFECTS IT MORE.
BUT I THINK PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING AT THOSE PEOPLE FROM CALIFORNIA, OTHER PEOPLE COMING IN FROM OUT, THEIR PAYING CASH FOR THESE HOUSES, THEY'RE COMING IN.
>> I WOULD THROW ONE MORE RIDGE INTO HAVE NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I JUST GOT THE NOTE A FEW MINUTES AGO, RATES WENT UP BY THREE QUARTERS OF A POINT, YESTERDAY.
>> INTEREST RATES TO CONSUMERS DROPPED BECAUSE OUR INVESTORS CERTAINTY WHEN IT DID.
INVESTOR RATES RIGHT NOW IS QUOTING 5.375 VERSUS 5.65, THAT IT WAS PRIOR TO THE INCREASE.
INTEREST RATES HAVE BEEN GOING A LITTLE ROGUE RIGHT NOW.
>> BUT THEY WERE EXPECTING IT WHEN THE RATES CAME UP BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO STABILIZE AND CAUSE THEM TO WANT TO PUSH MORE BUYERS TO THE MARKET.
>> THE OTHER THING IS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE VALUES GOING DOWN.
THEY TYPICALLY COME DOWN SLOWER THAN THEY GO UP.
IN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FOUND VERY INTERESTING THIS YEAR IS OUR AVERAGE HOME VALUE WAS AT 922,000 DOLLARS, BUT THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE WAS 770,000.
IN YEARS FUTURE, WE'VE GOT INCREASES SOMEWHAT IN THE VALUES SET UP TO WHERE THOSE VALUES HAVE GOT TO BE INCREASING.
WHILE HOMESTEADS HAVE AN EXEMPTION, OTHER.
>> I THINK THE DEMINIMIS MAY COME INTO PLAY.
BUT THE DEMINIMIS, IT ONLY LESSEN THE AMOUNT THAT YOU'VE BEEN CHARGED WITH DOESN'T WANT TO DO ANYWAY. [LAUGHTER]
>> BUT I UNDERSTAND IN CASE OF EMERGENCY IF WE REALLY DO RUN INTO A SITUATION.
>> BUT WE HAVE A PRETTY HEALTHY [OVERLAPPING] SURPLUS ALREADY.
>> THE GENERAL FUND THIS YEAR [INAUDIBLE] WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ALWAYS TARGETED.
>> IN THEORY, IF SOMETHING HORRIBLE WERE TO HAPPEN, WE WOULD HAVE [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'D HAVE WAY MORE YEAR TO [INAUDIBLE]
>> TWENTY-FIVE WOULD BE WHERE YOU WENT TO INCREASE THE TAX RATE, POTENTIALLY NOT EVEN 24.
>> YOU CAN [OVERLAPPING] GIVE [INAUDIBLE] CLOSE DOWN.
THAT CAN BE LOSS. THEY CAN GET THAT.
BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY HIT THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THE VALUES ARE BECAUSE NOW FRASER'S GET THINGS JUMPED TO THE DARK.
THEY DON'T GET THAT INFORMATION ANYMORE THAN YOU EITHER WIN OR LOSE.
FOR ME, I GET, YOU WANT TO TAKE THE LOG OF TWO SETS ARE THAT SURPLUS THAT WE HAVE.
THE EXTRA STEP, WHERE ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT COME FROM? DO YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL WHERE THAT COMES FROM? NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT [INAUDIBLE].
>> I MEAN, PERHAPS WE COULD CONSIDER GARY.
HE'S NOT HERE. [LAUGHTER] SCREAM AT ME.
BUT PERHAPS THAT WOULD BE A LOGICAL PLACE.
IF WE TALK ABOUT DOING A SALES TAX.
>> THAT'S THE SCARY BECAUSE, IF A SALES TAX, IT COULDN'T DO ANY FINE UNTIL THE MONEY IS OUT.
>> THEN THERE'LL BE TWO [NOISE] OR THREE MONTHS AFTER THAT.
WE'RE TALKING A YEAR FROM NOW BEFORE WE'LL SAY ONE PENNY.
IT MAY BE THAT THE SALES TAX GIFTS DOMAIN ARE DEDICATED TO PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION OR TO WHAT THEY'RE SEVEN, OR SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN USE.
THE STRING PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION.
>> WELL, THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT SOMETHING MAY HAPPEN ON THE STREETS THAT WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO DO DURING THE YEAR.
THE OTHER LOGICAL PLACE IS AT THE CITY.
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THEN WE HAD BEEN LONG TO OUR TAXPAYERS SINCE 2019 BECAUSE WE HAVE TOLD THEM THAT THE MONEY IS MONEY THAT WE PUT ASIDE FOR THAT PURPOSE.
THAT BOND IS SOME OF THE [INAUDIBLE] BLOCK.
>> WELL, I HAVE QUESTIONS WITH USING THE FUNDS FOR THAT.
BECAUSE TO BORROW MORE MONEY THAN YOU NEED AND THEN USE THOSE FUNDS TO PAY OFF DEBT ISN'T.
>> I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOU THERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT BORROWING MORE THAN YOU NEED.
>> WELL, IF YOU'VE GOT THE MONEY SITTING THERE TO PAY THOSE PAYMENTS OFF, YOU BORROWED MORE THAN YOU NEEDED.
>> DON'T JUST REDUCE IT BY THAT [INAUDIBLE].
>> I DON'T REMEMBER. MY BRAIN DOES.
>> SHE'S SAYING THAT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG TERRY, BUT IF YOU GO OUT IN THE BUILDING IS GOING TO COST A MILLION-DOLLAR SIMPLE MATH, AND WE HAVE 500,000 IN A FACILITY FUND.
BUT WE STILL BORROW THE MILLION JUST SO WE COULD USE THE 500,000 TO MAKE PAYMENTS.
SHE'S SAYING THAT NO, IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE IF WE'VE GOT 500,000 AND WE NEED A MILLION THAT REALLY BORROW 500,000.
>> THIS IS MORE AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL SAY THIS RIGHT, TO HAVE THE MONEY SO THAT THE TAX RATE WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE INCREASED DUE TO THE FACILITY.
>> WELL, THE RESIDENTS DECIDE IF THE TAXES INCREASE DUE TO THE FACILITY.
THE RESIDENTS DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY THE EXTRA MONEY TO BUILD THIS BUILDING.
>> YEAH. IT'S NOT LIKE WELL, MY TAX RATE IS NOT GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO CAUSE ME TO THINK.
IT COST THEM. THERE'S A COST TO BUILDING A BUILDING.
THERE IS A COST OF MAINTAINING OUR ROAD.
THERE'S A COST. TO TRY AND SAY IT'S NOT GOING TO COST YOU ANYTHING.
>> BECAUSE YOU PAID FOR IT BEFORE.
>> I PROBABLY SENT AN ACCOUNT GETTING ABSOLUTELY NO INTERESTS WHEN YOU COULD HAVE PRIVATIZED, WHICH I KNOW YOU CAN'T DO.
>> YEAH, BUT IT'S JUST IN TIME. IT'S TINY.
>> WE'RE ALMOST AT ONE PERCENT RIGHT NOW.
>> I'M NOT SAYING TAKE MONEY OUT OF THIS FRUIT OF THE FACILITIES FALLING, BUT LESS THAN THE AMOUNT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO IT IN THE CURRENT YEAR, MAYBE NEXT YEAR WE'LL BE GOOD AND WE'LL HAVE MORE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO LOOK BACK INTO THAT STREET FACILITY FUND.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO CHIME IN HERE.
YOU GUYS ARE LIKE GOING DOWN ALL THESE DIFFERENT PATHS, TRYING TO PLAN YOUR PET PROJECTS AND ALL THAT.
BUT [LAUGHTER] WHEN I SEE IS I WAS THERE [INAUDIBLE].
YOU CAN'T SAY, SALES TAX PASSED WHEN THEY'RE NOT.
I THINK THE CHANCES ARE BETTER THAN WE WILL.
WE ALSO WERE BETTING ON THE HOUSING MARKET CONTINUING.
THERE IS A MAJOR RECESSION WHICH THEY'RE PREDICTING THAT ALL THEY COME TO A SCREECHING HALT.
ALL THE NEW REVENUE THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING [INAUDIBLE].
TAKING ALL THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION, I WOULD SAY YES, LET'S REDUCE THE PROPERTY TAX.
BUT LET'S NOT GO DOWN TO ZERO.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LET'S NOT REFUND EVERYTHING IN THE BUDGET THAT IS IN EXCESS OF WHAT WE THINK WE NEED.
BECAUSE WE WILL KNOW WHAT WE NEED.
IF INFLATION GOES UP AND WE NEED TO KEEP EMPLOYEES AND WE NEED TO GIVE THEM RAISES.
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT ARE UNKNOWN.
I THINK IT'S FOOLISH, IN MY OPINION TO SAY ALL THE EXPENSE SHOULD BE GOING TO A PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION.
LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD REDUCE THE RATE, BUT PROBABLY NO.
>> NO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION.
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I KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROPERTY TAXES AND THE RATE.WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RATES.
>> YOU SAID REDUCTION, PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> WHAT CINDY IS SAYING IS THAT, SHE DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO TAKE THE ENTIRE 295 AND APPLY IT TO THE REDUCTION FROM THE 35.399.
>> IN OTHER WORDS STAY WITH THE DIMINISHED RATE.
>> WELL NO, SHE'S SAYING REDUCE IT BUT NOT TO THAT LEVEL EVEN.
SHE'S ABOVE EVEN TAKING ALL THE 295 ACCESS, WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO A NO NEW TAX REVENUE.
>> WHAT HAPPENS IF OUR NEW CONSTRUCTION STOPS? WHAT HAPPENS IF THE VALUES OF OUR HOMES DROP? BECAUSE THEY HAVE, IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS BUT THEY HAVE DROPPED IN VALUE.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE TAXPAYERS MONEY BUT DON'T PUT THE CITY IN JEOPARDY.
>> I'VE GOT A QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT AN ANSWER.
DO WE KNOW HOW MANY CITIZENS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE 65 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER?
>> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
>> WELL, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS, SOME YEARS AGO, TWO YEARS AGO MAYBE, WE GAVE 10,000 EXTRA DOLLARS TO INCREASE THEIR EXEMPTION.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD DO? OUR GRANCH ON THE TOP OF IT IS DISCRIMINATORY AS I'LL GET OUT.
>> BUT THAT DOESN'T REDUCE THE TOTAL TAX BURDEN.
IT JUST SPREADS IT TO OTHER PEOPLE.
>> IT ACTUALLY INCREASES IT TO THE OTHERS.
I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A "FIXED INCOME", THEN YOU'RE GIVING SOMEBODY.
>> YEAH. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WHEN YOU SIT IN THE COUNCIL WHERE THE PEOPLE COME UP [OVERLAPPING] AND SAID, "CAN'T YOU DO MORE FOR US AND FIX THIS AND DAH, DAH, DAH, AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK OF OTHER OPTIONS. [LAUGHTER]
>> NO, I SEE. YOU'RE TRYING TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX JUST LIKE WE ALL ARE.
>> IF WE APPLIED THE OVERAGE, THAT'S TWO CENTS, WHICH PUTS US FROM THAT SAYS 0.333399 ROUGHLY.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THREES.
[LAUGHTER] IF WE TOOK THE TWO CENTS BECAUSE THIS IS, ROUGHLY WE HAVE TWO CENTS WORTH OF TAX RATE OVERAGE IN SURPLUS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE GOT 295.
EVERY 145 IS A CENT, SO WE HAVE ROUGHLY TWO CENTS.
WE'RE ON THE DIMINISH, SO IF WE WERE TO APPLY THE OVERAGE, THAT'S TWO CENTS OFF OF THAT, SO IT'S 0.333399.
>> [INAUDIBLE]. THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS 0.3299?
>> JUST A QUESTION. A THOUGHT.
IF YOU HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS IN ROAD NEED RIGHT NOW TODAY, AND YOU TAKE AWAY MONEY FROM A ROAD THAT WAS GOING TO GO IN THIS YEAR, YOU WILL HAVE TO RETHINK THAT MONEY.
YOU STILL HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF ROADS TO FIX, AND YOU'RE NOT MOVING ANY MONEY IN THERE.
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT AT SOME POINT.
>> IF YOU TOOK 100,000 THIS YEAR, THEY ONLY HAVE TO PAY 900,000 WHEN THE ROAD REPAIRS ARE ACTUALLY DONE, SO YOU'RE NOT WASTING THAT MONEY, YOU'RE ACTUALLY HELPING THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO [OVERLAPPING] TAKE THE WHOLE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
>> WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT ROAD THOUGH.
WE'VE ONLY DONE WHAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE WERE JUST LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD. [LAUGHTER]
>> NO. I UNDERSTAND YOU COULD DO MORE THAN THAT.
WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH, WE HAVEN'T THOUGH. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT MUCH [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHAT THE PROBLEM IS YOU'RE RUNNING INTO RIGHT NOW IS THE AMOUNT OF ROAD WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
>> I'M AWARE OF THAT. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A BOND PROBABLY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT EVEN IF IT'S A BOND, AND YOU GO OUT FOR A MILLION DOLLARS AND YOU'VE SAVED 100 THIS YEAR, YOU ONLY HAVE TO ASK THE CITIZENS FOR 900,000.
THE MONEY IS NOT BEING WASTED, IT'S ACTUALLY HELPING THE CITIZENS IN MORE GRADUAL AMOUNTS OF MONEY BUILDING UP THAT MONEY, SO YOU DON'T HIT THEM FOR 10 MILLION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> PUT THAT MONEY IN DRAINAGE BECAUSE YOU'RE [OVERLAPPING] TACKLING SOME PROBLEMS.
>> THAT'S A PROBLEM TOO FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
>> BUT THE THING IS, YOU'RE FORCING PEOPLE TO PAY TODAY FOR SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE SPENDING.
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>> YOU'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING.
>> WELL, BUT YOU CAN'T GIVE ME A DEFINITION OF WHAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD AND TELL EVERYBODY THAT MONEY IS GOING TO FIX ANOTHER ROAD.
>> WELL, YEAH, I AGREE, BUT THE STREET CONSTRUCTION FUND WASN'T THE RIGHT THING TO TALK ABOUT, BUT YEAH.
>> NO MATTER WHAT FUND YOU PUT THAT MONEY IN.
>> WELL, THE PROBLEM IS WHEN IT'S IN THE GENERAL FUNDING IT THEN MEANS THESE FUNDS, IT'S MOVABLE.
YOU'RE TELLING ME TODAY IT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR CONSTRUCTION, BUT I MAY DECIDE, YEAH THE CITY AND JUST THROW UP ARGUMENTS.
BUT IT COULD BE THAT SOMEBODY, AND I'M GOING TO USE A FAR-FETCHED THING THAT I KNOW WOULDN'T HAPPEN, BUT TO PRESENT A CASE, YET SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL WE NEED THIS BIG PIECE OF EQUIPMENT TODAY, THAT TAKES IT OUT OF THEM, YES, AND THEN THE CITY DECIDES, WELL LET'S TAKE IT OUT OF THAT FUND.
>> IT WILL REQUIRE COUNCIL ACTION.
>> BUT IT REQUIRES COUNCIL ACTION. AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE COUNCIL'S DILIGENCE IN MAINTAINING THE FUNDING.
IT'S A MATTER OF HOW MUCH YOU KEEP IN THOSE FUNDS.
HOW MUCH YOU ADD TO THOSE FUNDS EACH YEAR.
THAT'S WHERE THAT NO NEW REVENUE RATE COMES INTO PLAY FOR GIVING SOME GUIDANCE AS TO THE BALANCE OF HOW MUCH SHOULD I BE ADDING TO MY REVENUE THIS YEAR.
[NOISE] BUT THE BALANCE WITH WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE THING ABOUT THAT, WHEN YOU THINK THAT YOU HAVE A MILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT AND TRYING TO FIX A ROAD THAT WE CAN'T FIX [NOISE] BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY [OVERLAPPING] AND AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GOING TO ASK THEM.
>> WELL THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE THOUGH.
>> BUT IF YOUR TAX RATE IS X [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT IS BECAUSE WE CAN'T FIX THE ROAD.
>> WELL, LOOK, WE CAN'T FIX THE ROAD BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN TO FIX THE ROAD.
>> YOU ALSO DON'T HAVE THE MILLION DOLLARS.
>> WELL, BUT IF WE HAD A PLAN, WE COULD PRESENT IT TO THE RESIDENTS TO GET THE MONEY.
>> BUT IF ALONG THE WAY YOU SAVE MONEY.
WHEN YOU'RE PLAN COMES INTO EFFECT AND IT'S 2 MILLION AND YOU SAVE 500,000, YOU ONLY HAVE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I LIKE TO SAVE MONEY, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FUNDING.
IT'S A MATTER OF HOW MUCH IT IS YOU SET IN.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW MUCH YOU SAVE EACH YEAR.
>> YEAH, I THINK WHAT SHE'S SAYING IN ANOTHER WAY IS THAT WHAT'S DIFFICULT IS WHAT IT IS IN A GENERAL FUND.
THAT'S JUST WHAT IT IS, IT'S GENERAL.
SO IT COULD BE USED FOR ANYTHING AND TO YOUR POINT, SAVING FOR A RAINY DAY, OKAY, FINE.
[OVERLAPPING] NO WELL, HOLD ON, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY, IS THAT IT'S IN A GENERAL FUND.
SO IT'S NOT FOR THE ROAD, IT'S FOR WHATEVER, RIGHT?
>> WELL YOU COULD PUT IT UNDER [INAUDIBLE]
>> YOU COULD, BUT IT'S NOT NOW. OKAY?
>> YEAH IT GETS TRANSFERRED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
>> IF YOU USE IT FOR THAT, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT.
>> OR WE CAN PUT IT IN DRAINAGE, RIGHT?
>> YEAH, RIGHT. [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S MY POINT.
IT'S IN IT, SO WHAT MY CHALLENGE I HAVE FOR IT, FOR ME PERSONALLY, MY CHALLENGE AND THIS IS JUST ME, IS THAT I HATE SEEING, IF WE SAY WE NEED A ONE-YEAR TO BE REALLY FEELING GOOD, WE NEED ONE YEAR OF EXTRA PAD CUSHION, IF YOU WILL.
IF I'M LOOKING AT JIM REEDS PERSONAL BUDGET AND I HAVE A YEAR OF PAD ON ALL THE EXPENSES I HAVE LAYING OUT THERE, ALL MY BUDGET, MY VACATIONS, MY CAR RESTORATIONS, I'M DOING WHATEVER THAT IT IS.
I STILL HAVE A YEAR-END THERE.
I DON'T NEED TO BE SAVING ANYMORE THAN I AM, BECAUSE I'M SET.
SO MY POINT IS THAT ASSUMING I WAS GETTING MY REVENUE FROM SOMEONE ELSE THAT WAS GIVEN IT TO ME, A BENEFACTOR.
[LAUGHTER] THAT'S MY POINT, IS THAT WE HAVE THAT WHOLE TIME AND NOW IT ISN'T SAVING FOR A RAINY DAY AND THE FACT THAT THE MONEY IS WORTH LESS AS INFLATION GOES UP.
SO YOU HAVE IT SITTING IN THERE NOT GAINING ANYTHING.
YES, A LITTLE BIT. BUT AS INFLATION GOES UP, THAT MONEY IS WORTH LESS.
SO THE POINT BEING IS THAT TAKING THAT FROM THE RESIDENTS WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE A CUSHION SEEMS SILLY UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED.
>> ABOUT TWO MAJOR ROAD IS OVER HERE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T REALLY BUILT A ROAD THEN YOU SAVE A $100,000 FOR 10 YEARS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK THE CITIZENS FOR A BOND TO FIX THE ROAD BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN SAVING $100,000 A YEAR TO FIX THE ROAD.
THAT'S NOT THE SAME MONEY AS THE CUSHION.
I AGREE YOU SHOULD INCREASE YOUR CUSHION.
>> BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
>> THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST DID WHEN YOU GAVE UP.
>> ONE OF YOU SAID THAT THE PEOPLE THAT SAY, OKAY.
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YOU DID THIS IN WHAT NAIL.YOU GOT DUBLIN ROAD WHICH NEEDS FIXING AND YOU'RE IGNORING IT.
YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TOWARDS IT AND THERE IS A PLAN FOR IT THAT HAS BEEN DEALT WITH FOR A LOT OF TIME.
>> HOWEVER, THAT PLAN IS NOT GOING TO BE FACILITATED VIA TAX INCREASES IN ANY ONE YEAR.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A BOND ISSUE.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A MUCH LARGER SITUATION, JUST LIKE WE HAVE AT THE FACILITY.
THESE ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT DECISIONS.
>> BUT THE PEOPLE WILL ASK, WHY ARE YOU NOT DEALING WITH THIS? WHY WOULD YOU DO IT THIS WAY? I'VE BROKEN DOWN DUBLIN ROAD, I TALK TO THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME AND THEY'RE STILL PISSED OFF WITH THAT.
[OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO IT RIGHT THE LAST TIME AND SO HERE WE ARE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. BUT THE DEAL IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THERE.
OR IF WE HAVE THE RATE AT 0.3549, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY EITHER.
THAT'S THE MOST WE CAN RAISE IT AND IT'S NOT GOING TO PUT A DENT IN IT ANY WAY.
MY POINT IS THAT SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE A SURPLUS FOR OUR BUDGET PLUS ADDITIONAL AND I SAT IN MANY MEETINGS INCLUDING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN MEETINGS WHERE WE SAID LOOK, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS.
IN FACT, IN MY OPINION, INCLUDING MYSELF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT CARE IS THAT WE NEED.
THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM, IS THAT HOW CAN YOU GO TO THE CITIZENS AND SAY, "WE'RE GOING TO MAKE OUR TAX RATE 0.35399 BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN A GENERAL FUNDS SO THAT WE HAVE NOW 2X OF CUSHION OVER THE TIME-FRAME." BUT THAT STILL WON'T PUT A DENT IN DUBLIN ALONE WILL GOBBLE ALL OF THAT UP.
>> BUT JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING.
THE MONEY IS IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED.
THE COUNCIL'S BUDGETING, APPROVING THE BUDGET IS [INAUDIBLE]
>> BUT THE WAY THAT MONEY CAN LEAD US THROUGH RECONSTRUCTION PLAN WOULD BE HAVING TO COME BACK AND COUNCIL SAY, ALRIGHT, WE'RE NOT GOING DO THE STREETS.
WE'RE GOING TO DISSOLVE THAT, LET'S MOVE THAT MONEY OUT OF HERE BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND OR SOMETHING.
ONCE IT MOVES OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS IT'S NO LONGER IN THE GENERAL FUND.
>> BUT I'M JUST TALKING FROM A STRATEGIC STANDPOINT OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE NEED VERSUS HOW MUCH IS AVAILABLE.
IRRESPECTIVE FONT, WHERE IT GOES OR WHATEVER.
THERE'S A SURPLUS, WE HAVE A SURPLUS AND IT'S GOOD, AND IT'S A GREAT THING.
I'M ALL FOR IT, I WANT TO HAVE THAT, I WANT TO HAVE THAT PROMPT PERSONAL ACCOUNT ALSO.
I'M PROUD TO BE IN A CITY THAT DOES THAT, I AM UNDER THE LEADERSHIP THAT'S AWESOME.
BUT THERE IS A POINT IN MY OPINION WHERE MONEY THAT, IF THAT MONEY WAS GAINING A LOT OF INTERESTS OVER WHAT INFLATION IS RIGHT NOW, THEN I MIGHT HAVE A CASE TO GO TO THE RESIDENTS AND SAY, "HEY LOOK, WE'RE PUTTING THIS MONEY TO FUND, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE GAINING, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING SOMETHING OUT OF IT." WHEN WE GO TO SPEND THAT MONEY IN 5, 10, 12 YEARS FROM NOW, THE WORTH OF THAT MONEY WILL BE MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IT IN.
LIKE WHEN YOU SAVE, OR YOU PUT IN STOCKS, OR YOUR 41K AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT IN THE CITY BONDS, YOU STATED IN THERE, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE INFLATION RATES WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW, IT'S VALUE GOES DOWN.
SO EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE PUTTING MONEY IN THERE, YOU CAN'T COUNT THAT THAT MONEY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SPENT AT THAT LEVEL TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
FOR THE ROAD, WE ALL KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE EXPENSE MORE THAN WHAT WE CAN SAVE, EVEN THOUGH RIGHT NOW OUR BUDGET IS, WE HAVE A WHOLE YEAR THAT WE CAN SURVIVE.
IF WE WERE TO BLOW THAT ON STREETS BASED ON WHAT I'VE SAID IN ALL THESE MEETINGS, WE COULD BLOW THAT TOMORROW.
THE POINT IS, IT'S GOING TO BE A BOND ISSUE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO IN FOR A BOND, WHICH MEANS A TAX RATE IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO ANY WAY UP, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON IT.
SO MY POINT IS, FOR THE BASE, I'LL CALL THE BASE BUDGET THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS NOT IN THERE FOR THE NEW BUILDING, AND NEITHER IS ANY OF THE CIP STUFF.
SO WHY CONFLICT THE ISSUE AND TRY TO NICKEL AND DIME IT TO PUT SOME EXTRA MONEY IN THERE, WHEN YOU WOULD BLOW IT IN ONE YEAR AND NOT EVEN GET CLOSE?
>> CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING? THE REASON YOU DO THAT IS THAT IN THE PAST 10 YEARS OR SO, WE'VE HAD LOTS OF SITUATIONS SEVERAL AND THAT WOULD SAY A LOT WHERE WE HAD TO HAVE MAJOR IMPROVEMENT DONE BECAUSE OF A BRIDGE WASHOUT, BECAUSE OF ROAD FAILURE, THAT TYPE OF THING WHERE WE HAD THE MONEY TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE REPAIRS.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU CINDY, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT CUSHION.
SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE? THAT'S JUST MY PERSPECTIVE. WE HAVE THAT CUSHION.
>> WE DON'T HAVE MORE OF THE CUSHION IF YOU HAVE ALL THESE ROADS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED.
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>> AGAIN, THAT AMOUNT OF SPENDING THAT IS REQUIRED, YOU WILL NEVER GET IT GO INTO DEMINIMUS.
YOU'LL BE ELIMINATED, THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY YOU'D HAVE TO RAISE THE TAX RATE TO 0.70 OR SOMETHING, DOUBLE IT TO MAKE THOSE NUMBERS.
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY RESIDENTS, NUMBER 1.
NUMBER 2, IT'S SUCH A HUGE EXPENSE.
IT HAS TO GO IN WITH THE BOND.
>> I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT MAJOR REGION WEIGHING TEMPLATE ROAD.
BUT WHEN SPRING HILL HOW MUCH DID THAT COST?
>> HOW MUCH THE SPRING HILL COST.
>> WHEN THEY HAD TO REGION IN SPRING HILL.
>> THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT WAS 1.3 MILLION TO REDUCE SPRING HILL AND SYCAMORE BECAUSE THEY WERE THE EXCESS OFF WITH SPRING HILL BECAUSE IT CAME IN CHEAPER THAN WE THOUGHT WAS USED TO DO SYCAMORE.
>> ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS WHEN WE'RE SENDING FOR A DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE BRIDGE WASHED DOWN.
>> I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MUCH IT COST WHEN DUBLIN WASHED OUT, AND I WEREN'T HERE WHEN THAT HAPPENED SO I DON'T REMEMBER.
>> ANYWAY, FUNDAMENTALLY- [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF YOU WIND UP SPENDING $200,00- $300,000.
>> WE HAD TO CHECK OUT A BOND.
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT THE RESERVE IS FOR.
>> I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THE RESERVE WAS FOR.
FOR IF WE HAVE SOMETHING HAPPEN.
>> NO IT'S OPERATING EXPENSE FOR THE CITY.
>> WE KEEP AT LEAST A YEAR'S WORTH OF OPERATING EXPENSES AND RESERVE BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT CITIES THAT HAVE FAILED AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO OPERATE ON SO WE DO THAT.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CUSHION THERE, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO GO OUT AND PAY DOUBLE ROAD.
>> I WOULD QUESTION AND TERRY, HELP ME ON THIS.
CRP IS GOING TO COME TO COUNCIL AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND ASK FOR MONEY.
NOT ONLY FOR ENGINEERING BUT FOR WHATEVER ROADS, STREETS, WHATEVER THAT COMES OUT TO.
IF WE DON'T PUT ANY MONEY IN CRP AND CONFIRMED FOR THAT, ISN'T THAT A LITTLE SHORT-SIGHTED.
>> IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT YET, WE ARE PREPARING FOR IT. IT'S JUST-
>> -NOT AS MUCH AS WE DID IN THE PAST YEAR.
>> OKAY, HOW ARE WE PREPARING FOR IT?
>> WELL, WE'VE GOT FUNDS IN HERE.
THAT'S WHERE I HAVE SUGGESTED IN.
SALES TAXES WOULDN'T COME IN RIGHT AWAY.
BUT LET'S START WORKING TO PROVIDE YET TO GET OTHER SOURCES OF THOSE MONIES IN PLACE SO THAT WE CAN.
OKAY, SO THAT WE GET THE REPORT BACK FROM THE ENGINEER ON THE ROADS, AND THEN IT'S DECIDED THIS ROAD, THIS ROAD, AND THIS ROAD ARE THE PRIORITY ROADS, WHATEVER THEY ARE.
WE DON'T BE IN A POSITION TO GO AHEAD AND MAYBE TAKE CARE OF ONE OF THOSE, SAY IT'S A MOVIE OR [LAUGHTER] CHURCH.
HELP ME HERE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
>> WELL, AND THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
THAT WITH WHAT THE EXISTING FUNDS ARE IN THE RESERVE, COUNCIL COULD.
BECAUSE THE COMMITTEE IS ONLY GOING TO BE PRESENTING RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT'S COUNCIL THAT MAKES THOSE DECISIONS AS TO WHAT HAPPENS.
BUT THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION OF HOW WE GET STARTED.
>> WE DO THIS MONEY [OVERLAPPING]?
>> BUT THE GOAL IS TO PRESENT A FIVE-YEAR PLAN, NOT JUST THE ONE YEAR.
>> I KNOW THAT THE LAWS CHANGED ON BONDS.
CO BONDS I KNOW ARE NOT LOOKED VERY KINDLY ON GENERALLY.
IF A ROAD MAJOR CONSTRUCTION ISSUE CAME UP, DO WE STILL HAVE THE VEHICLE TO CO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF WE HAD TO.
>> YOU STILL CO WHEN YOU'RE LIKE CITY HALL.
>> MY CONCERN AT THE END OF THE DAY, STREETS, THAT GIVES ME HEART PALPITATIONS TO TAKE AWAY FROM.
JUST BECAUSE A SINKHOLE COULD OPEN AND WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO GET A BOND, WE GOT TO FIX IT.
A BRIDGE COULD WASH OUT, I AGREE.
THAT ONE GIVES ME HEART PALPITATIONS.
TO LOOK AT REMOVING FROM ANY OF THEM,
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GIVE ME SOME CONCERN.I AGREE WE MADE THE PROMISE THAT WAS GOING TO BE USED AND I WOULD NORMALLY 100 PERCENT STAND BEHIND THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT THE PROMISE IS BINDING EXCEPT WE PRESENTED A BUILDING AND THE VOTERS DIDN'T COME FORWARD FOR THE BUILDING, [LAUGHTER] SO I DO HAVE THAT, BUT I DON'T SEE THIS EXTRA $70,000 ROUGHLY THAT WE HAVE TO REDUCE IN THE HALF A SET.
I GUESS I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUST TAKING SURPLUS AND APPLYING THAT VERSUS WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF THAT EXTRA PORTIONS OF A CENT [INAUDIBLE] WILL DROP REVENUES BY 30 BUCKS.
THE ONE THAT LIKE $90 OR SOMETHING LIKE FOR A SET.
>> OKAY, SO IT'S LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.
I'M 100 PERCENT AGAIN, IN FAVOR OF OTHER REVENUE SOURCES TO APPLY TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
I AGREE THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE MONEY WE HAVE IN THE ACCOUNT FOR THE STREETS WILL NOT REPLACE THAT OF THE ROAD.
IT WOULD BE IN MY LIFETIME THAT WE SAVE UP ENOUGH IN THERE EVEN DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT IT IS THERE FOR THE GREGORY LANE BRIDGE WASH OUTS FOR THE SINKHOLE THAT OPENS UP ON CURTIS.
THAT HASN'T HAPPENED, BUT I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE AS AN OPTION OR THE MASSIVE FIRE THAT TAKES OUT PART OF DOUBLED ROAD BECAUSE ASPHALT MELTS UNDER EXTREME HEAT [LAUGHTER] OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND PROVIDE THAT WITHOUT HITTING THAT YEAR THAT WE'VE GOT.
BECAUSE THAT YEAR IS FOR THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW WILL HAPPEN.
WE KNOW ROADS WILL HAVE ISSUES.
THAT'S FOR THE TREE FALLS ON HALF THE BUILDING AND WE ARE NOT COVERED UNDER INSURANCE FOR IT, THE GUYS OF A FIRE DEPARTMENT DECIDE TO GO TO WENDY'S AND TAKE OUT THE OVERHANG ON A FIRE TRUCK, WHICH [LAUGHTER] I'M NOT GOING TO SAY SO FAR FETCHED AFTER THIS LAST MONTH. [LAUGHTER]
>> THIS COULD HAPPEN? [LAUGHTER]
IF WE LOOK AT IT FROM THE FACILITY FUND, I COULD BE CLOSER TO CONVINCED TO TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THERE, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT TOO BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS TO DO.
>> WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE GOT TO DO, IN MY OPINION, I THINK LUKE'S OPINION, AND I THINK GARY'S OPINION, AND MAYBE THE CHIEF, IS ON DUBLIN ROAD ON THE CURBS.
BECAUSE EVERY TIME IT RAINS, THEY TAKE OUT HALF OF MAILBOXES AND FENCES ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE NORTH SIDE.
THEY HAVE COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL FOR WHATEVER THAT CAUGHT RIFF RAFF [OVERLAPPING].
THIS IS A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE MORE THAN A ROAD ISSUE BUT IT'S COMBINATION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO COST.
I'VE ASKED THEM TO GIVE ME THE COST, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION AS YET.
BUT I SEE THAT AS A PRIORITY ITEM BECAUSE I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMEBODY PUT DOWN ON DUBLIN AND END UP WITH BAD INJURIES.
WE HAVE NOTICE OF THAT SO I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT OUR LIABILITY IS.
>> THAT ROAD NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF IN THOSE CORNERS, I AGREE.
WE'VE HANDLED THAT. WE STOPPED ALL THE RAIN, SO EVERYBODY IS SAFER.
>> YOU DID A GOOD JOB. [LAUGHTER].
>> I KNOW. THAT'S HOW I FIXED DRAINAGE TOO.
[LAUGHTER] I JUST STOPPED THE RAIN AND NOW NO MORE DRAINAGE ISSUES. EVERYBODY IS WELCOME.
>> THOSE ARE THE TOP TWO THINGS THAT SCARE ME [INAUDIBLE].
>> NO, THEY DO ME TOO, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW MUCH.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE DOLLAR-WISE BETWEEN THE TWO RATES? HAVE YOU PLUGGED IT IF WE WENT DOWN TO REVENUE?
>> NO THE DOLLAR ON THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE ONLY REVENUE WILL BE REDUCING 485,000.
>> WHICH OF THAT, 295 COULD BE COVERED BY OUR SURPLUS?
>> WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT 180,000 SO 190,000.
WE'VE BEEN HERE TOO LONG MY HEAD IS STARTING TO HURT.
>> TO SAVE AN INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN FOR A TOP UP [LAUGHTER], WHICH YOU TAKE THAT MONEY AND PUT IT AWAY, [NOISE] THEN WHEN THE TIME COMES TO SPEND IT, THEY'RE GOING TO RECOUP THAT BENEFIT.
IF IT'S THE BUILDING, BUILD FIVE MILLION DOLLARS BUILDING, 700,000 [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE WHERE YOU'VE GOT A ROAD YOU HAVE [INAUDIBLE]
>> I GUESS MY QUESTION MIGHT BE THEN,
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AND ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT IT, WHEN DO WE GET TO A SURPLUS THAT IS ENOUGH? THAT'S MY QUESTION [OVERLAPPING] AND ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT.MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER WAY OF ME SAYING WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
WE HAVE MORE POTENTIAL EXPENSES.
IT'S NOT JUST THE BUILDING, IT IS THE ROADS, IT IS THE DRAINAGE, OTHER UNFORESEEN EXPANSIONS THAT WE SEE THAT WE NEED TO FACILITATE INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE CITY, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE.
LET'S JUST LEAVE IT AT THOSE TO START WITH.
THOSE ARE ALL GOING TO BE BOND ISSUES.
ANYWAY, MY QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH EXCESS DO WE NEED? THAT'S MY QUESTION. IT'S SOUNDING TO ME LIKE THE ARGUMENT IS THAT, WELL, WE NEED TO HAVE AS MUCH EXCESS AS WE CAN GAIN BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THESE EXPENSES.
CHIEF, THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
LET'S DO A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND JUST KEEP BUILDING AS MUCH AS WE CAN, TWO MILLION, FIVE MILLION, 23 MILLION.
MY POINT IS, IN MY LIFETIME THAT I'M IN PARKER, WHAT MICHAEL WAS SAYING, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD ENOUGH FOR REVENUE TO GO BUILD A NEW BUILDING, AND THAT'S WHAT I MEAN WHEN I'M SAYING ABOUT A BOND, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO FOR A BOND.
BUT WHEN YOU GO FOR A BOND, THE GREAT THING ABOUT GOING FOR A BOND, AND I KNOW WE HAD A BAD SITUATION AND WHETHER IT WAS NOT PRESENTED IN THE RIGHT MANNER OR THE DIFFERENT MANIPULATIONS OF THE FACILITY AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH.
WHATEVER THAT IT IS, THAT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT AT LEAST WHEN YOU GO PRESENT IT, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN IMPACT FOR THAT, AND IT'S GOING TO BE ON THEIR TAX INPUT AND SO FORTH.
BUT ASIDE FROM THAT THOUGH, I THINK THAT AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AND MAYBE AGAIN, THE QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH THAT WHEN WE CAN CUT IT BACK TO THAT, WE SAY WE DON'T NEED TO ADD ANYMORE. THAT'S THE QUESTION.
>> DIDN'T YOU JUST DO THAT WHEN YOU TOOK THE $295,000 [INAUDIBLE] AND YOU GAVE IT BACK TO THE TAX PAYERS? YOU SAID IT'S ENOUGH, BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TAKING WHAT WE'RE ALREADY PUTTING AWAY AND REDUCING THAT TO GET TO ANOTHER NUMBER.
YOU JUST DID THAT. [OVERLAPPING] YOU SAID NOW IT'S ENOUGH BECAUSE I'M NOT TAKING THIS 295,000.
I'M GIVING THAT BACK TO THE CITIZENS.
>> NOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS REDUCING MONEY YOU'RE SAVING FOR PROJECTS YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM EVEN MORE MONEY BACK.
YOU JUST THINK THAT YOU SAID NOW IT'S ENOUGH I'M GIVING YOU $295,000 BACK.
>> RIGHT, BUT WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK CINDY WAS SAYING SHE WANTED IT ACTUALLY MORE LIKE 100,000.
>> [LAUGHTER] I WAS WATCHING THE CONVERSATION.
>> I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING WITH A DOG BECAUSE THE DOG [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER].
>> [LAUGHTER] BONNIE IS LIKE THAT.
SHE LIKES TO PEE ALL THE TIME.
>> YEAH, DOGS ARE LIKE THAT EVEN WHEN IT'S HOT.
>> WE'LL BE IN RECESS UNTIL SHE COMES BACK.
>> WELL, CAN'T YOU SING OR ENTERTAIN US IN SOME MANNER UNTIL SHE'S BACK?
>> YOU WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER FIVE-MINUTE BREAK AND GO TO THE BATHROOM [NOISE]?
WE WILL IN RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES.
>> RECONVENING AT 5:53. [NOISE].
>> AT THIS TIME WE ARE BACK IN SESSION, THE BUDGET WORKSHOP AT 5:52 PM.
I HAVE A QUESTION THAT CAME UP.
IT USED TO BE [NOISE] THE ONES WHO DID THE BUDGET, STREETS AND ROADS THEY WERE NOT A PART OF CIP.
GARY AND JOHN BURKOV USED TO COME TO COUNCIL WITH A LIST OF STREETS.
THESE WERE FIVE STREETS WE WANT TO GO UP FOR BUILD TO FIX THREE OF THEM.
WHEN YOU CAME TO THE CITY, YOU SAID THAT WE DIDN'T NEED TO DO IT IN THAT MANNER.
THERE WAS A SIMPLER WAY TO DO IT.
THAT INFORMATION COULD COME TO ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION COULD BRING IT TO COUNCIL.
BUT WE DIDN'T NEED TO GO OUT FOR THIS AND THAT THE OTHERS.
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>> THERE IS NO SENSE IN GOING OUT FOR BID IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR MY COUNSEL.
THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT THE COUNSEL.
>> BUT AT NO TIME DID I UNDERSTAND AT LEAST THAT BECAME A PART OF CIP. HOW DID?
>> THE PROBLEM WHOEVER CAME HERE YEARLY WOULD HAVE $500,000 TO SPEND ON STREETS.
IF HE DIDN'T SPEND ALL OF IT DURING THAT BUDGET YEAR HE WOULD LOSE IT.
THE NEXT YEAR HE WOULD COME AROUND AND HE'S ALL I HAD LIKE $300,000 LEFT OVER LAST YEAR.
I NEED TO SPEND THAT MONEY ON WHAT BUT THE YEAR IS ALREADY OVER.
IT'S BACK IN THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LET COUNCIL AND ASK FOR A BUDGET.
[NOISE] THAT'S WHY WE'LL CREATE THE STREET CONSTRUCTION FUND.
THAT WAY EVERY YEAR THAT MONEY IS GETTING TRANSFERRED TO CERTAIN CONSTRUCTION PLAN IN THE NEXT YEAR AND STAYED IN THIS RECONSTRUCTION PLAN AND THEY GO BACK IN THE GENERAL FUND. JUST TO MAKE IT SIMPLE.
WE NEVER INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR CIP TO REDO [INAUDIBLE] ROAD OR DO STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE JUST START WITH MONEY OVER TO THE STREET RECONSTRUCTION PLAN.
>> OKAY. IS CIP IN THE STREET CONSTRUCTION PLAN FROM THE SAME FUND?
WELL, JUST SO IT STAYS IN A FUND AND IT'S NOT IN THE GENERAL FUND.
>> THE CIP SHOULD INCORPORATE A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS BESIDES STREETS AND ROADS.
>> STREET CONSTRUCTION SHOULD.
>> RIGHT, SO YOU HAVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS.
YOU HAVE THE STREET CONSTRUCTION FUND, UTILITY CONSTRUCTION DRAINAGE AND FACILITIES.
>> WHERE IS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND?
>> WELL, THOSE ARE ALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
>> THOSE FAR ARE THE ONLY COST WE'VE HAD IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, DEVELOPMENT IS RELATED TO STREETS AND DRAINAGE.
THAT'S WHY THOSE FUNDS AND EVEN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW WITH RESPECT TO GETTING THE BORING SAMPLES AND GETTING THE NEXT PHASE, THE NEXT STEP HOPEFULLY SOON.
ALL OF THOSE. THE ONLY REASON WE'RE DOING THOSE IS TO DEVELOP THE PLAN TO DO THE STREETS.
THAT'S WHY WELL, THE STREET CONDITION SURVEY WENT INTO THAT ACCOUNT LAST YEAR.
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S THE MOST PROPER PLACE FOR THESE EXPENSES TO FLOW THROUGH.
AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY ARE ONLY BEING EXPANDED FOR PURPOSES OF OUR STREET CONSTRUCTION.
>> THESE ARE NOT REALLY CIP FUNDS.
>> THESE ARE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS.
BUT THE CIP PLAN WILL DICTATE HOW TO SPEND IN SOME WAYS.
I THINK IS WHAT IS TRYING TO BE SAID.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION IS.
BECAUSE IF A ROAD GETS FIXED THAT'S A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.
SHE'S CALLING IT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN MONEY, BUT THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE JUST TO USE ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.
HOPEFULLY EVENTUALLY OUR PLAN WILL DICTATE HOW TO SPEND.
>> IN OTHER WORDS, STREETS AND ROADS IS A SUBSECTION UNDER CIP.
>> BUT IS ANYTHING GETTING LOCKED OUT BECAUSE WE ARE FOCUSING ON STREETS AND ROADS I GUESS IS MY CONCERN.
>> YEAH, UTILITY CONSTRUCTION.
>> THAT WILL HANDLE ALL THE WATER [INAUDIBLE] AND WE HAD THE.
>> AND DRAINAGE AND ROADS SO THE REASON [OVERLAPPING]. [INAUDIBLE]
>> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT, TOO. BUT THE REASON IN THE CIP WE CHOSE ROADS IS BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A BIG MASSIVE PART OF IT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE WILL THEN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER PART OF THE CIP CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
BECAUSE WE JUST STARTED THINKING BIGGER AND WE WHEELED IT DOWN TO STREETS AND ROADS AND WE'LL INCORPORATE THE WATER LINES IF THEY INTERJECT.
>> BECAUSE DUBLIN IS ONE OF THOSE.
>> BUT DRAINAGE IN THE DOCUMENTS YOU SENT ME, IT'S PART OF CIP.
BUT DRAINAGE OVER HERE IS NOT PART OF CIP.
JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS.
>> IN THE STREET CONSTRUCTION FUND ON PAGE 33, THAT WAS THAT MONEY THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE THE HEARING IN BERGVALL.
[INAUDIBLE] YOU WANT $500,000 WE'RE GOING TO DO THESE REPAIRS ON THESE STREETS.
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IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO ANY REPAIRS [INAUDIBLE] CREATE THIS LONG-TERM PLAN AND DIDN'T NEED TO START DOING STREET CONSTRUCTION OR REPAIR ROADS UNLESS IT WAS ON.>> THE CIP DOES NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO SPEND ANY OF THIS.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS INCLUDED IN CIP.
IF IT IS AN OVERVIEW FUND IF IT HAS SUBSECTIONS THEN THE SUBSECTIONS NEED TO SAY CIP STREET FUND, CIP DRAINAGE.
>> IT ALMOST LIKE WHEN THE FUND STRUCTURE WORKS.
IF IT'S GOT SIX, THE VERY FIRST OF IT, THAT MEANS IT'S A CIP FUND.
ON PAGE 32 UNTIL YOU'VE HAD THE FUND.
IT STARTS WITH 60 AND 61 IS THREE.
>> I THINK AT LEAST FROM MY POINT OF VIEW IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
THEN THE SUB BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IF THE AVERAGE CITIZEN SAW THIS THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT THANK YOU BECAUSE NOW I GOT A BETTER GRIP.
>> IT CONFUSES YOU EVEN MORE 33.
YOU'VE GOT THE MAINTENANCE, WHICH SHOULD BE LIKE POTHOLES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S A $50,000 BUDGET FOR THAT.
THEN YOU'VE GOT BIRKHOFF SERVICES, WOULD BE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, THEN THE OTHER CAPITAL BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES. [OVERLAPPING].
>> DOES THIS ONE YEARS TO NEXT YEAR FOR ALL OF THIS.
>> WHATEVER IS MUST HAVE BEEN A CENTER FOR ALL THAT.
BEFORE IT WASN'T AND THAT'S WAS THE PROBLEM.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SET IT UP AS A SEPARATE QUESTION.
>> YOU'RE PROBABILITY AT 300,000 LEFTOVER OR NOT? I DON'T KNOW. REALLOCATED IN THE GENERAL FUND.
>> WELL, IT WAS THERE AND AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, [NOISE] WE WERE DOING A LOT OF THINGS PROBABLY GOING OUT.
WE'RE DOING, THREE OR FOUR THINGS OVER.
>> WE WERE NOT DOING THEM IN THE RIGHT ORDER.
>> WE'RE IN THE RIGHT ORDER NOW.
>> THIS IS ANOTHER STUPID QUESTION.
IF TOM FLEN NEEDS MONEY, WHERE DOES IT COME FROM?
>> WELL, DEPENDS ON WHAT IT WOULD BE FOCUSED ON.
IF IT'S SOMETHING TO STUDY ROADS, IT COMES OUT OF ROAD AND IF IT'S SOMETHING TO STUDY WATER THEN THEY WOULD COME OUT OF THAT.
A MAP FOR ENGINEERING AND THAT WAS BEFORE I WAS ON COMPLAINTS. [LAUGHTER].
>> I'M JUST ASKING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT WAS LONG BEFORE I WAS THERE.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE [OVERLAPPING] WE GOT THIS LAW ENFORCEMENT FUNDS THAT I FOUND THAT IT'S LIKE $7,000 ON IT.
>> JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO ADVOCATE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WHAT YOU GUYS DECIDE.
YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO NEED MAINTENANCE FUNDS.
WE KNOW WE NEED TO START PRACTICING, WE'VE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE.
WE KNOW WE GOT TO START FROM THEN ALL THE PROGRAM UNDER IT.
WHAT'S THOSE COSTS? WE'RE NOT SURE YET.
PREFERABLY, I THINK WE DO NEED TO SPEND MORE IN MAINTENANCE JUST THE PROLONG.
BUT THAT'S JUST ME PERSONALLY.
THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO.
>> YOU JUST WANT LEWIS LANE FIXED I UNDERSTAND.
>> NO, THERE'S SOME ROADS WE GOT.
MAINTENANCE NEEDS TO BE REALLY FOCUSED IN ON.
ALSO, REGULAR REVENUES THAT WE'RE GIVING OUT, WE ARE GETTING AT THAT POINT NOW AT SPRING HILL, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE STARTED DOING A LITTLE BIT MORE MAINTENANCE ON.
IT'S WHY SPANISH LOST HIM REALLY WELL AND PRACTICES AND OTHER THINGS TO HELP PROLONG THAT LIFE,
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THAT PEDAL, THAT'S AGAINST OUR COSTS AND MONEY AND IN THE LONG RUN, PARKER RESIDENTS DON'T WANT CHIP SEAL.[LAUGHTER] COMPLETELY OUT OF THE QUESTION ON THAT ASPECT.
THE CRACK SIGNAL HANDLING SOME OF THE AREAS IN MY SOME STUFF IS BASED ON THAT.
>> COMING INTO THAT, I'M GOING TO STEAL SOMETHING I STOLE FROM CHIEF BROOKS, I HAD MY FIRST JIHAD COUNCIL.
HE MADE A COMMENT AS WELL THAT IS ONE LEVEL OF A CERTAIN VERESQUE OF PEOPLE, SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES, PARKER RESIDENTS MAY NOT WANT A CHIP SEAL.
ON THE SAME TOKEN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING TO A NO NEW REVENUE RATE, ARE THEY GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH GYPSY AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
ROADS OR SOMETHING, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE TAKING MONEY OUT OF IT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT MONEY THAT WE'RE SITTING ON.
THAT'S MONEY THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN NEGLECTED TO DEPLOY BECAUSE WE HAVE WORK TO BE DONE.
ANYTHING GOES IN THAT RESPECT, I HAVE A PROBLEM.
I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOME OF THE IDEA OF HOLDING BACK A BUNCH OF MONEY FOR SOMETHING THAT WE MAY DO IN THE FUTURE, LIKE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE HOLDING OTHER FACILITIES BECAUSE AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE WE DIDN'T KEEP UP OUR BARGAIN ON THAT.
BUT I'VE KIND OF ALWAYS UTILIZE THAT AS THE FUND SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, IF A BUILDING THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT OR THINK WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS ANYTHING, ASSUMING WE HAVE FUNDS THERE.
>> AT THIS POINT, YOU GET A JOB.
AT LEAST WE HAVE FUNDS SET ASIDE TO START BUILDING ON THAT LINE JUST TO GET THEM OUT OF THE TRAILER.
>> THAT'S BEEN MY THOUGHTS AND I AGREE, I REMEMBER WHEN THE PROMISE WAS MADE ON THOSE PLANS.
PARKER RESIDENTS VOTED DOWN THE BOTTOM.
I CAME UP MY END OF THE BARGAIN, THE RESIDENTS DIDN'T HAVE HALBERT GOT LOADED DOWN WITH DEAD.
MY IDEA IS THIS FUNDS ALWAYS BID FOR THOSE SITES.
TO ME, IT WOULD ALSO BE FOR A FIRE DEPARTMENT SEPTIC SYSTEM REPAIRS.
BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT TO ME THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR, THE IMPROVEMENT OF FACILITIES.
NOT NECESSARILY A NEW BUILDING AND IT'S BEEN ENTITLED LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT IT'S FOR.
IT SHOULD BE TO FIX THINGS THAT HAPPENED, WHETHER A TREE FALLS IN FRONT OF OUR AREA OR WE LOSE A SECTION OF OUR DRIVEWAY THAT JUST HAPPENS TO EXPLODE AND REBAR STICKING OUT WHICH HAS HAPPENED.
THE TREE HAS HAPPENED, THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS HAPPENED [LAUGHTER].
THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY SHOULD COME FROM ON THAT, NOT OUT OF OUR SURPLUS GENERAL FUND.
THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON A RAINY DAY.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SURPLUS THAT WE HAVE BEING APPLIED BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT.
I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE COME UP WITH THE DIFFERENCE THAT ONE COMFORTABLY TO GET TO THE NO-NEW-REVENUE RATE.
I'M NOT AGAINST THAT, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE IT COMES FROM, THAT'S BEEN MY BIG THING IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO ME WHERE IT COMES FROM, THAT I SUPPORTED LAST YEAR, THERE WAS NO WAY TO GET THERE WHEN WE'RE TOO FAR INTO IT WHEN WE GOT A LOT OF MONEY.
THIS YEAR WE ARE MUCH CLOSER, WE'VE GOT THE TIME TO LOOK AT IT BUT I'VE GOT TO KNOW REALISTICALLY WHERE IT COMES FROM.
>> YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FACILITIES EARLIER AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH HOW MUCH IS IN THIS?
>> NO, I NEVER SAID THAT. WHAT I SAID WAS, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE TITLE THAT WE DID IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I DISAGREE ON THE IDEAS THAT WE'VE MADE A PROMISE THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP.
WE DIDN'T, BUT A COUNCIL MADE THAT PROMISE.
HOWEVER, WE BROUGHT A BOTTLE ADOPT TO MEET, THIS IS WHERE SOME EXPENSES SHOULD BE COMING OUT OF IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE FUNDS ARE FOR.
LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I REALLY BELIEVED THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SHOULD COME OUT OF THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT FACILITY IMPROVEMENT AND THAT MONEY IS ALREADY SITTING IN THERE [OVERLAPPING] LUKE IS HAVING TO DO TO GET US PRICING ON A NEW BUILDING, THAT'S IMPROVEMENT, THAT'S WHAT COMES OUT OF THERE.
BUT COMING OUT OF ROOMS, I KNOW YOU SAID MAYBE THAT WAS THE WRONG ONE.
I WOULD SECOND THAT TO SAY I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF TOUCHING ROWS BECAUSE I THINK RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULD BE LIKE WHAT ABOUT ALL THESE ROADS AND UTILITIES? YOU CAN'T DO DRAINAGE, IF YOU TRIED TO TOUCH DRAINAGE, EVERYBODY WILL BE LIKE YOU HAVE TO TAKE SOME MONEY OUT OF THEM.
THOSE ARE JUST UNEMPLOYED FUNDS THAT'S WHAT WE NEGLECTED.
WE SHOULDN'T BUILD UP A SURPLUS OF THOSE,
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WE SHOULD DEPLOY THOSE FUNDS TO MAKE THE REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.REALISTICALLY, I ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH MORE WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT OUT OF THE BUDGET TO GET TO THE NO-NEW-REVENUE.
>> ITS ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY THOUSAND.
>> ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY THOUSAND WOULD ROUGH US ABOUT A HALF CENTS MORE?
>> IT'S ACTUALLY 0.093299 VERSUS 3201.
>> COULD I MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT?
>> SOMETIMES WE LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE.
IN PARKER, WE DON'T HAVE ADDITIONAL REVENUE STREAMS LIKE OTHER CITIES DO.
ALL THE BUSES THAT NO-NEW-REVENUE RATE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MAY AGREE WITH IT, BUT ALL THE OTHER CITIES HAVE ADDITIONAL SOURCES OF REVENUE.
THEY HAVE SALES TAX DOLLARS THAT COME IN THAT ARE MAIN CONTRIBUTORS IN THERE FUNDS.
FOR US TO REDUCE OUR TAX RATE, JIM, TO A NO-NEW-REVENUE RATE IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT IN THAT AREA THAN OTHER CITIES.
SO THEY KNOW THERE'S A BIG PUSH IN THE AREA, AND GETTING THE TAX RATES TO NO-NEW-REVENUE RATES.
THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT APPLYING A PARTNER THAT NOBODY ELSE HAS.
THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO WE REDUCE THE TAX RATE, BUT WE MAY NOT GET TO THE NO-NEW-REVENUE RATE SIMPLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE EXTRA SOURCES OF INCOME COMING IN.
>> SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN? [OVERLAPPING] SORRY, GO AHEAD.
>> ALL OF OUR REVENUE COMES FROM TAX PAYER DOLLARS.
>> THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS COMING IN FROM SALES TAX WHICH IS MINISTERIAL.
>> THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHERE IT COMES FROM, IT'S JUST BALANCING A BUDGET BASICALLY, IN MY OPINION.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE REVENUE COMES FROM, IF YOU HAVE A CITY AND YOU GET TONS OF SALES TAX MONEY, YOU STILL KNOW WHERE THAT REVENUE IS GOING TO COME FROM AND YOU HAVE A BUDGET FROM WHAT THE PREVIOUS YEAR IS AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PROJECT FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I GET IT BUT IN MY OPINION, IT'S ALMOST MORE OF A REASON TO NOT IMPACT THAT TO THE RESIDENTS.
BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION BECAUSE IT IS ALL IN THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE OF WHERE OUR MONEY COMES FROM.
>> BUT IF YOU HAVE BIG SALES TAX AMOUNT COMING IN LIKE PLATO OR MURPHY OR LUCAS, YOU CAN REDUCE YOUR TAX RATE ON REAL ESTATE BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME ABOUT COMING IN, ITS NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE SALES TAX COMING IN FROM BUSINESSES.
>> BUT I DON'T GET THE BALANCE BECAUSE IF YOU REDUCE THE AMOUNT COMING IN, LET'S CALL IT YEAR 1, AND YOU HAVE SUCH AND SUCH AMOUNT OF SALES TAX REVENUES, SUCH AND SUCH AMOUNTS OF REVENUE FROM THE HOUSING TAX AND NOW YOU GO TO YEAR NUMBER TWO, YOU HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF REVENUE FROM SALES TAX, IF YOU CUT THAT FROM THE HOUSING TAX OR PROPERTY TAXES THAT ARE COMING IN, YOU HAVE A DEFICIT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE REVENUE COMES FROM IN MY OPINION.
>> TECHNICALLY THE SALES TAX [INAUDIBLE] ONLY TIE THAT TO YOU NONE VIA CODE.
LIKE PROPERTY TAXES, EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING TO BE TIED TO RECURRING COSTS SUCH AS STAFF MEETINGS, SALARIES, NORMAL STUFF.
>> WHICH IS THE SAME THING WE'RE DOING.
>> ONE OF THE TIME IS WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT,
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AS WE GO ON WE'RE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO BUILD OUT.WHICH MEANS WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SOME REVENUE THAT WE ENJOYED IN THE PAST.
>> WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME PAGE HERE AND MAYBE WHERE TERRY WAS GOING ON I DON'T MEAN TO STEAL HER THUNDER, MY QUESTION COMES AGAIN, HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH AND WHERE DO WE GO? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
>> WE HAVE 200 MILLION WHICH IS A SURPLUS AND A HUNDRED FORTY FIVE CENTS, CORRECT?
>> MAYBE ONE STEP OR ONE AND A HALF STEPS, I DON'T GET THE WHOLE TWO STEPS BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED A CUSHION.
>> LET ME ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN.
HOW MUCH CUSHION DO WE NEED? WE HAVE A YEAR'S WORTH NOW.
>> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CUSHION FOR IF THE WORLD FALLS APART.
I'M TALKING ABOUT A CUSHION TO ADDRESS THINGS THAT MIGHT COME UP DURING THE YEAR THAT WE HAD UNFORESEEN THINGS THAT COME UP DURING THE YEAR.
>> BUT AGAIN, WHAT IS THAT? I'M SORRY.
I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND LIKE I'M SOBER, HOW MUCH IS THAT? YOU'RE SAYING IT IS ANOTHER 100 AND SOME $1000, 150,000 BASICALLY.
>> OKAY. SUPPOSE WE HAVE ADDITIONAL CONSULTANT SPACE.
SUPPOSE WE HAVE ADDITIONAL [OVERLAPPING].
THIS YEAR HAS BEEN PRETTY EXPENSIVE IN TERMS OF SURPRISES AND THINGS THAT COME UP.
LUCKILY, WE WERE ABLE TO DEAL WITH IT.
I HOPE WE'LL BE ABLE TO NEXT YEAR I'LL GET YOU [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE EVEN HAD A BAD YEAR AND WE STILL HAVE A FULL YEAR.
WHAT I THINK IS WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE SOME BACK TO THE RESIDENTS WITH, WE GO THE DIMINISHED.
WE'RE ABLE TO SHOW GOOD FIGHT, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON THAT.
BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW NEW REVENUE BECAUSE WE ARE STILL IN THAT SPIRAL, IF YOU WILL, OF THINGS THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
NEXT YEAR MIGHT BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT, BUT WE WILL KNOW ABOUT OUR SESSION ON INFLATION.
MAYBE WE'LL KNOW MORE ABOUT ADDITIONAL ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP THAN WE DO AT THIS TIME.
I GUESS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THAT'S MY COMFORT LEVEL AND I FEEL THAT PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT BECAUSE I WOULD RATHER GET SOME FUNDS THERE THAN TO HAVE TO TELL SOMEBODY I'M SORRY, WE LOST THAT FIGHT BECAUSE AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S SOME MUD OVER THERE OR I'M BEING [OVERLAPPING].
>> I KNOW, YOU'RE JUST MAKING EXAMPLES.
IT'S THE CHIEF SAID EARLIER TO ME, IT'S A PRINCIPLE THING TO SHOW THE RESIDENTS THAT BECAUSE, YOU'RE TALKING, LET'S SAY WE GO WITH CINDY'S 150,000 VERSUS 295.
WHAT THAT TELLS ME, JUST MY MATH, I'M A NUMBERS GUY.
MY MATH SAYS THAT THAT MEANS $145,000 IS TOO MUCH.
IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO FATHOM WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LET'S SEE, WELL WE HAVE 500,000 FOR THIS FUND HERE AND WE HAVE THIS FOR THIS AND WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE QUIBBLING OVER $145,000 BECAUSE WE THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO GIVE US A CUSHION.
>> MAYBE ANOTHER COMPROMISE WOULD BE WE GO WITH IT TAKING THE 295 THAT'S STILL THERE AND USE THAT TO LOWER THE TAX RATE RATE.
SO THAT WE BASICALLY HAVE A ZERO NET CHANGE IN FUND BALANCE.
IT'S NOT TO THE NO NEW REVENUE BUT BECAUSE OF THE CONCERNS OF YEAH, WE KNOW THE THINGS WE KNOW ARE COMING.
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WE KNOW WE'VE GOT THESE ROWS, WE KNOW WE'VE GOT A FACILITY WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS.WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TO LOWER THE RATES, THE REST OF THE WAY.
IT'S NOT NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE AND I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE SOME ARGUMENT ON SOME SIDE WITH SOME PEOPLE.
BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT THINK DIFFERENTLY THAN IT SHOULD BE HIGH.
>> YEAH. THE ONLY TYPE OF DISCUSSION WE'VE BEEN IN THE CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET.
IT WAS A BALANCED BUDGET WITH [INAUDIBLE].
I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT THIS [INAUDIBLE].
>> NO ONE OR THE IMPACT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT EMS CONTRACT, WE'RE GOING TO SEE A BIG JUMP IN THAT NEXT YEAR.
WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE INCREASES IN OTHER ITEMS AS WELL.
>> WE LOSE THE BOND MONEY FOR THE WATER.
>> A 28 WATERFRONT WOULDN'T IMPACT THE OLD ONE AND I DON;T SEE FAR. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT WHAT WOULD CONCERN ME IS, WE'VE SEEN THEM, A BIG SPIKE IN SALES TAX 436, WHICH IS $80,000 OR MORE THAN WE RECEIVED LAST YEAR.
AND IF THEY CALL ME, TELL US, WHEN YOU GO INTO RECESSION AND WE SEE THINGS SLOW DOWN, YOUR SALES TAX REVENUE WOULD BE ONE THAT IS GOING TO TALK.
NO ONE IS GOING TO DROP OUR HOMEWORK PERMITS.
WE'VE REDUCED THIS YEAR, BUT WE STILL NEED REDUCTION IN PERMITS, WE STILL NEED REDUCTION IN PRIVATE LEASES.
SO REVENUE IS GOING TO DROP NEXT YEAR.
>> BUT YET, YOU SAY THAT AND GARY'S OUT HERE TELLING US THAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING PROPERTIES.
>> YEAH, THAT MEANS DEVELOPING LAND AND THAT MEANS PROPERTIES, AND WHILE [OVERLAPPING].
>> IF HE IS ABLE TO SELL TO A BUILDER OR TO A HOME.
IN WHAT WAS IT 2009? I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE IT WAS.
EVERYTHING STOPPED, IT WAS LOCKED OVERNIGHT IN PARKER AND IT WAS TOUGH.
>> BUT I MEAN, [OVERLAPPING] THAT DEPLOYED THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE THOUGH, THIS BUDGET IN THAT IDEA IS INCLUDING $80,000 ON THE SUPPLEMENTS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO NEXT YEAR.
I MEAN, THESE ARE MAINLY ONCE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THEM NEXT YEAR WHEN IT COMES AROUND AND WE LOOKED AT THAT.
I MEAN, THAT HOLDS 80,000 MORE DOLLARS.
BUT I AGREE WITH YOU MY CONCERN IS ACTUALLY I DON'T HAVE AS BIG OF AN ISSUE ABSORBING THE 295, BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS BECAUSE OF SALES TAX, BECAUSE OF THAT ISSUE.
I DO THINK THAT STATISTICALLY, WE WILL STILL GO UP AND THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE IN THE TAX THAT WE RECEIVE OR THE REVENUE SIDE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO MEET THE INFLATIONARY RATE.
>> WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SALES TAX TO IT.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S EVEN RIGHT TO BEGIN WITH [INAUDIBLE] .
BUT IT'S CERTAINLY EASY TO US.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
>> IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS [INAUDIBLE] BUT DANIEL THEN ALSO TOLD KEITH HE HAD SIX MONTHS TO COME BACK, AND LET'S DISCUSS THE SUPPLEMENTALS THAT HE HAD TO.
SO IF WE HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET AND THEN HE COMES IN, THAT MEANS HE'S OPPOSED TO THE DEFICIT, AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPORT BACK TO THE BUDGET AS WELL.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THEY DO HAVE SOME ITEMS, LIKE GAS, THAT WE BUDGETED AT SIX DOLLARS A GALLON.
[NOISE] [LAUGHTER] HOPEFULLY, WE DON'T GO BACK UP THERE?
>> IF YOU DID RAISE THE TAX RATE AND YOU JUST KEPT IT, LET'S SAY, AT $295,000 AND YOU FIX CHURCH, JUST THAT $295,000.
FIX THAT CHURCH STREET, AND CHECK IT OFF THE LIST.
>> THREE PEOPLE WOULD BE ECSTATIC. [LAUGHTER]
>> [OVERLAPPING] BUT IF YOU'VE DRIVEN DOWN THAT STREET, IT'S TERRIBLE.
EVEN IF YOU KEPT THE MONEY AND KEPT THE TAX RATE THE WAY IT WAS AND, INSTEAD, I'M GOING TO GO SPEND THIS OVER HERE, YOU'RE CHECKING SOMETHING OFF THE LIST THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO AT SOME POINT.
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YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIX THAT STREET.KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT IF YOU GIVE THE $295,000 BACK TO THE CITY, WHICH IS A GREAT THING, AND YOU'RE ELECTED TO DO THAT, YOU'RE NOT SPENDING THAT $295,000 ON SOMETHING THAT ABSOLUTELY HAS TO BE DONE.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE AT SOME POINT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT IN SOME WAY, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
>> JP, YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH, BUT WE HAVE A MULTITUDE OF RESPONSIBILITIES TO SEE THE OFFICIALS.
ONE IS TO DO THIS AND TO CREATE ALL THE POLICIES TO DO ALL THAT FUN STUFF.
THE OTHER ONE IS TO BE THE [OVERLAPPING] ADVOCATE FOR THE CITIZENS, ADVOCATE FOR THE STAFF BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE CITIZENS DOESN'T KNOW, AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YES, WE COULD CHECK THAT OFF, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THE COUNTER APPROACH TO THAT IS, OKAY, WE DO, AND THEN EVERYBODY'S LIKE, "THREE RESIDENTS HAPPY THAT DO DRIVE DOWN TO CHURCH," [LAUGHTER] BUT YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO DRIVE TO CURTIS EVERY DAY, AND THEN THEY WILL SAY, "THEY DIDN'T CARE ABOUT US.
THEY CARE ABOUT THOSE THREE RESIDENTS [OVERLAPPING] FROM MOSS RIDGE," AND SO I GET THAT.
[LAUGHTER] WHAT THIS IS ATTEMPTING TO DO IS PROVIDE A BIT OF RELIEF TO EVERYBODY.
THIS AIN'T GREAT, BUT EVERYBODY WE'VE SEEN, THERE'S AN INFLATION, YOU'RE HURTING, I'M HURTING, EVERYBODY IS HURTING.
HERE'S WHAT LITTLE WE CAN DO TO TRY TO DO THAT WITHOUT BURNING DOWN THE OTHER OPTION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHY I SAID YOU SHOULD GIVE IT BACK TO THE CITIZENS [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE NOT GIVING ANYTHING BACK TO THE CITIZENS.
WE'RE NOT AT ALL GIVING ANYTHING BACK TO THE CITIZENS, WE'RE JUST NOT TAKING MORE FROM THE CITIZENS.
[OVERLAPPING] WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GIVING MONEY BACK TO THE CITIZENS, NOT AT ALL.
>> RIGHT. WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS THE 295 BACK.
EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS, AND YOU CAN SLAP ME IN THE HEAD, [LAUGHTER] BUT I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE FORGET THIS.
CITIZENS FORGET THIS WHEN YOU TALK TO THEM.
BECAUSE TAX RATE AND AMOUNT OF TAX ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
>> THE TAX RATE, WE TAKE THE 295 OUT, JIM REED'S TAX FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS BUDGET GOES UP, SO WE'RE NOT GIVING ANYTHING BACK.
I'M GIVING MORE. YES, I AM. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU ARE, BUT I THINK THE IDEA, AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE FIGHTING TERMINOLOGIES HERE [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, LET'S CALL A SPADE A SPADE.
[OVERLAPPING] HOLD ON, ON THE BASELINE, I PAID $40,000 TAX.
I DIDN'T PAY THAT MUCH, BUT SAY I PAID $25,000 TAX.
[LAUGHTER] WELL, ANYWAY, LET'S SAY IT'S A ROUND NUMBER, 25,000.
THIS NEXT YEAR, I PAY 30,000. I PAY MORE.
WHEN I GO TO MY CITIZENS WHO I HAVE THIS RESPONSIBILITY TO GO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS, AND I SAY, [NOISE] "I WENT IN, AND I GOT A LOWER TAX RATE FOR YOU," AND HE GO, "YOU DIDN'T DO CRAP FOR ME.
I PAID MORE, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? MY ROADS AREN'T FIXED, WE DON'T HAVE A FACILITY, [LAUGHTER] WE DON'T HAVE THIS, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT." MY POINT IS THAT WHAT TERRY IS SAYING IS THE NO NEW TAX REVENUE MEANS THAT, NEXT YEAR, I PAY 25,000.
WE'RE STILL NOT GIVING ANYTHING BACK.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT CITIZENS TELL ME.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS, THERE'S $295,000.
YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO KEEP IT FOR THE CITY, OR YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE IT BACK TO THE TAX RATE.
>> [LAUGHTER] THAT $295,000 WILL EITHER GO THIS WAY OR THIS WAY.
>> IT'S A TERMINOLOGY ISSUE, HONESTLY, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE ALL UNDERSTAND TAX RATE, WE ALL UNDERSTAND TAX BILL, TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WHAT I THINK IS BEING SAID IS WE'RE BUYING BACK DOWN THE TAX RATE BECAUSE THE TAX RATE IS BEING BROUGHT DOWN SO THAT PEOPLE DO NOT PAY MORE.
SO WE'RE GIVING THE 295 BACK IN THAT RESPECT. IT'S NOT A REFUND.
NOBODY IS GETTING MORE MONEY IN THEIR POCKET.
THEY'RE JUST NOT SPENDING MORE THAN THEY COULD BE LIABLE AT THIS RATE TO SPEND.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE AUTHORIZED TO CHARGE THEM.
>> YES. THERE YOU GO. [LAUGHTER]
>> WELL, MY POINT BEING, WHAT MAY BE A GOOD COMPROMISE ABOUT THE 295 IS THAT WITH ALL MY INTEGRITY AND ALL OF GOODWILL, I CAN SAY, "YOU KNOW WHAT? WE PRODUCED A BALANCED BUDGET, AND THERE'S NO EXCESS IN IT," AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS THE LOWEST WE COULD GET IT BACK TO ON THE THINGS WE HAVE REQUIRED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE CITY, AND WE SPENT NOW TWO DAYS AND MY WHOLE BIRTHDAY DAY [LAUGHTER] LOOKING AT THIS.
>> I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I TOOK THIS ON, BUT MY POINT BEING, I CAME IN GOOD FAITH, GO BACK AND I COULD SAY, "YOU KNOW WHAT? WE LOOKED AT IT, WE TOOK HARD LOOKS AT IT, WE TOOK SOME HARD CUTS IN SOME THINGS, WE GOT TO A BUDGET THAT MAKES SENSE,
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AND WE HAD 295 EXCESS, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET, NOT HAVE EXCESS THIS YEAR." YOU CAN SAY THAT. YOU'RE STILL NOT GIVING MONEY BACK, BUT YOU CAN SAY YOU'VE [NOISE] BALANCED THE BUDGET. THERE'S NO EXCESS THIS YEAR.>> THE ONE THING I WOULD DISAGREE IS, I THINK, THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS WOULD BE ECSTATIC ABOUT THIS BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS GOTTEN THEIR APPRAISALS AND THEIR ESTIMATED TAX BILLS, AND THEY'RE EXPECTING MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT IT IS.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING BACK, BUT I THINK THEY WILL SEE THE BENEFITS OF WHAT THE CITY IS DOING HERE.
WHEN EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD HAS GONE UP IN PRICE, THIS EXTRA $90 MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW IT'S ON THEIR TAX, BUT YOUR TAX BILL BASICALLY STAYED THE SAME.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT'S A PRINCIPLE THING.
>> THEY WERE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
WE'RE COMING THROUGH, WE'RE TAKING A HARD LOOK AT IT, AND WE'RE NOT CUTTING ANYTHING IN THE CITY.
WE'RE DOING THE THINGS THAT THE CITY NEEDS.
>> DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE GOING FOR THE DE MINIMIS RATE?
>> OKAY. WHAT ARE WE DOING? [LAUGHTER]
>> [OVERLAPPING] I THINK THEY WANT TO ABSORB THE SURPLUS OF $295,000, WHICH WOULD EQUATE TO ROUGHLY TWO CENTS.
SO ALMOST THE VOTER-APPROVAL TAX RATE.
[LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] ALMOST DEAD ON WITH APPROVAL TAX RATE.
I CAN'T SEE ALL THE REST OF THE NUMBERS UP THERE, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
>> ANYWAY, WE'RE BETWEEN NO NEW AND DE MINIMIS. [NOISE].
>> OKAY. I GOT YOU. [LAUGHTER]
>> EVERYBODY LOSES, WHICH MEANS EVERYBODY WINS.
>> BASICALLY YOU ALL DID ALL MY WORK. [LAUGHTER] [NOISE].
>> WAIT TILL YOU GET YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT TAX BILL. I'D NEVER WANT TO BE.
YOU GOT TO HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT?
>> NO, THE TYPE OF THE TAX RATE WE DID THE BALANCE BUDGET AND TAX RATE WOULD BE 0.3299015.
>> OUT OF SHEER MORBID CURIOSITY YOU DON'T HAPPEN TO HAVE WITH THE LOCAL TAX RATES ARE SOMETHING THAT PUTS US NOW PRETTY CLOSE TO THE LOWEST INVALID COUNTY.
>> YEAH. IF THIS WAS THE LOWEST.
>> FAIR VIEW WAS THE LOWEST. JUST SEE WHERE THAT'S GOING.
>> I DON'T KNOW IT WAS LIKE 27TH BUT THEY HAD ALL THAT MONEY OUT THERE.
>> SIMPLY YOU ON THAT? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT?
>>ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE 0.3299015, WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOVE THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE.
>> NOW PUTS THE 280 WHATEVER BACK TO THE PEOPLE.
>> TWO HUNDRED AND NINETY FIVE.
>> TWO HUNDRED AND NINETY FIVE?
>> WITH THE OTHER AMOUNT, WHAT'S THE TOTAL DEDUCTED? [OVERLAPPING].
>> CINDY IS TALKING. GO AHEAD, CINDY.
>> WE TALKED ABOUT THE 295 BECAUSE OF THE 50,000 THAT READY TO GO.
>> WE MOVED IT AROUND AND IT'S STILL THERE. WE JUST MOVED THAT.
IT WAS A MOVE FROM THE WATER OR TO THE WATER.
>> TO THE WATER. SO IT WAS REALLY PURIFIED.
IT IS JUST SPLIT INTO PROPER CATEGORIES.
>> IT CHANGES THE GENERAL BECAUSE OF WHAT HAD MOVED.
I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT, BUT I STILL THINK WE OUGHT TO STAY WITH WHAT IT WINDS UP BEING BECAUSE THEN IT'LL BE CONFUSING THEN I'D HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT.
[LAUGHTER] IT'S NOT MOVING AROUND.
I JUST SAY YOU'RE TALKING TO $50,000.
>> BUT A GOOD POINT THOUGH. GOOD POINT YOU BROUGHT UP.
PARODY IS GOING TO HAVE THE LOWER THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE SAME THOUGH.
>> WILL PROBABLY BE THAT TWO THREE RANGE.
>> IT SHOWS WHERE WE'RE MAKING A GOOD FIGHT UP HERE.
>> WHEN WE COME AROUND WITH THAT SPECIAL FUN AND SAYING WE'RE BROKE NOW, [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE'RE OPERATING ON DONATIONS.
>> WE ARE RECEIVING DONATIONS FOR THIS SECTOR.
>> WHERE YOU ARE SELLING OFF THE DIETS AND EVERYTHING.
I GUESS WE'RE STILL IN BUDGET, SO I DID MENTION THE SALES TAX.
IS THAT NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD-
>> THAT IS ONE OF THOSE SIGNS THAT IS UPDATE AND IT'S UNDER MS. MARS.
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THE LAST TIME WE DID IS WE WERE TO LET HER KNOW WHO WANTED TO GO ON AND YEAH AND I GUESS I CAN ASK THEM.WE WANTED TO ASKED HER TO PREPARE INFORMATION TO COME FOR AN UPDATE ON THAT.
I KNOW THERE'S NEVER A GOOD TIME AND STUFF, AND I KNOW THERE'S TIMING TO GET ON THE BALLOT AND STUFF, BUT I OUR ROADS.
>> I'D LOVE TO SEE IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM.
>> I WOULD. I THINK PROBABLY AFTER WE GET THE BUDGET THROUGH, WOULD BETTER TIMING, IN MY OPINION.
>> NORMALLY TALKING TO ME AT THE EARLIEST.
>> -A VERY STANDARD LIST, PUT IT ON THE BALLOT, OR I WOULDN'T PUT IT ON AN AGENDA UNTIL MID-OCTOBER.
>> CINDY, ARE YOU STILL WILLING TO PROVIDE US WITH GUIDANCE ON THIS AND INFORMATION?
>> I DON'T KNOW. [LAUGHTER] I THINK THAT WAS LIKE AN UPDATE TOWARDS WHAT OUR LAST DISCUSSION WAS.
>> SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO DISAPPEAR IN IT.
>> I JUST CAN DO THAT. WANT TO CONFIRM.
WE DON'T RUN INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE START SWEATING.
EVERYBODY IS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS 3299.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT AS LONG AS THAT DOESN'T CHANGE AFTER ALL ALL THE NUMBERS BE CLOSE, TOMORROW RECALCULATE IT ALL. BUT IT SHOULD BE.
>> WHATEVER IT IS TO DO THAT AROUND THAT NUMBER, WHICH IS AROUND THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO KNOW NEW REVENUE.
WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHY, WE'RE ALL ON BOARD.
>> WE JUST UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE GO ON THIS TUESDAY, WE WILL PUTTING OUT A POST.
WE STILL HAVE TO TAX YOU ONE OR TWO.
>> EXACTLY, RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND.
[NOISE] BUT IT'S GOOD TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING HERE SO THAT WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE.
>> WE ARE STILL ON ONE AND HALF TOPICS.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING TWO. I HAD TO DO ANOTHER ONE. BEAT THE DEADLINE.
>> BUT ANYWAY, WHERE PEOPLE MAY COME AND TRY TO CONVINCE US TO DO ONE THING OR ANOTHER.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DISCUSS ANY CHANCES.
>> ANY AMENDMENTS OR ANYTHING WOULD DO.
>> IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THE BUDGET? WE ARE SO CONCENTRATED ON THE TAX RATE.
>> I FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE A VERY SOLID JOB.
>> WE'VE HAD ONE OF THE MOST PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS ON BUDGETS THAT WE'VE HAD, I THINK THAT WE TRIED TO TOUCH AS MANY THINGS AS WE CAN.
WE TRIED TO BE FAIR WITH ALL THE SUPPLEMENTS AND WITH THE BUDGETS TO GIVE IS MUCH NEEDS AND WANTS AS WE CAN.
>> CINDY, ARE YOU OKAY WITH EVERYTHING?
>> SINCE YOU'RE NOT FEELING SO WELL? I'M SO APPRECIATE YOU DIALING IN AND BEING SO INTERACTIVE.
>> YEAH. IT IS HARD TO STRAIN THAT BUT IT'S A LONG DAY.
>> I HAVE BEEN DOING IT IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
>> OH NO. WELL, I HOPE YOU GET WELL SOON.
>> OKAY. IF I CAN'T DO IN THE KITCHEN THEN I CAN DO THE ZOOM IN OUR LIVING ROOM.
>> WE WILL NEED HER. [OVERLAPPING].
>> HOPEFULLY DIANE WILL BE BACK.
>> NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO BE GONE.
>> HOPE YOU GET FEELING BETTER TOO, CINDY.
>> THANKS FOR ATTENDING, FIND MONEY FOR COMING IN AND JOINING US.
OKAY. AT THIS TIME, WAS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE? WE ARE ADJOURNED IT IS 6:37.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.