I HEREBY CALLED THE CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING
[CALL TO ORDER – Roll Call and Determination of a Quorum]
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ON JULY 12, 2022, AT 3 P.M.THIS IS A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET OR PROPOSED BUDGET, AND AT THIS TIME I WILL ASK [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE RECORD, JIM REED IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY.
[1. BUDGET WORKSHOP (DIRECTORS’ WANTS AND NEEDS)]
THANK YOU. SO EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL WITH ATTACHMENTS FOR A LINE ITEM DETAIL AND A SUPPLEMENTAL LISTING WITH THE RANKING SHEET ON TOP.I'VE ALSO PROVIDED JIM DOES HAVE COPIES OF THESE, BUT I BROKE OUT THE SUPPLEMENTAL RANKING SHEET BETWEEN THE GENERAL FUND AND THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND AND ALSO INCLUDED A EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE.
SO THOSE WERE THE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS THERE.
WE'LL HAVE A SECOND BUDGET WORKSHOP ON JULY 28TH AND THEN A VOTE TO SET THE PROPOSED TAX RATE ON AUGUST THE 2ND, AUGUST THE 5TH I'LL FOLLOW THE PROPOSED BUDGET WITH THE SECRETARY POST ON THE WEBSITE, AND THEN AUGUST 16TH WILL BE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND AUGUST 22ND WOULD BE THE FINAL ACTION ON THE TAX RATE AND THE BUDGET. JUST TO KIND OF GO OVER THE LINE, THE LINE ITEM DETAIL PACKET THAT I HAVE ON PAGE ONE.
THIS IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THE GENERAL FUND SUMMARY.
AND WITH ALL THE NUMBERS THAT ARE PLUGGED IN RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, IT SAYS NET CHANGE IN FUND BALANCE UNDER THE PROPOSED BUDGET LINE OR COLUMN, AND THERE'S A SURPLUS OF $210,000 AT THIS TIME.
THAT DOES TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THIS BUDGET IS HAS BEEN PREPARED WITH THE SAME TAX RATE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE 365983 SECOND PAGE OF THE DOCUMENT THERE IS GOING TO SHOW A COMBINED BUDGET SUMMARY FOR FOR ALL THE FUNDS.
THOSE ARE ALL AUDITED NUMBERS RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN 21-22 WITH THE ESTIMATED FUND BALANCE THERE AS OF 93022, THAT'S TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE REVENUES MATCH THE BUDGET AND THE EXPENDITURES MATCH THE BUDGET.
SOME OF THE BIGGER ONES THERE, LIKE IF YOU GO DOWN THE STREET, CONSTRUCTION FUND, FUND 61 IS SHOWING $500,000 OF REVENUE, WHICH WE WILL HAVE $500,000 BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
BUT AS FAR AS EXPENDITURES GO, WE HAVE ABOUT LESS THAN $5,000 IN EXPENSES.
SO THE REALITY OF SPENDING $650,000 ISN'T THERE.
SO WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO END UP CLOSER TO A FUND BALANCE OF $840,000 YEAH. PAGE NUMBER TWO.
THAT'S THE REASON THAT'S A NEGATIVE IS BECAUSE WE BUDGET IT IN 21-22.
BUT SO WE'RE GOING TO BUDGET IT AGAIN AT 22-23.
SO IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S THE EXPENSES ARE THERE TWICE.
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AND SO IT'S CAUSING A NEGATIVE NUMBER FOR THE FUND BALANCE.BUT IN REALITY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO OVERSPEND AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A NEGATIVE FUND BALANCE.
THAT'S WHERE THE GENERAL FUND GET INTO THE LINE ITEM DETAIL ITSELF.
I GUESS PROBABLY NOW'S A GOOD TIME TO KIND OF TURN THIS OVER FOR QUESTIONS.
AS FAR AS THE LINE ITEMS, KIND OF THE WAY THAT I THOUGHT THIS MIGHT GO WOULD BE TO GO THROUGH THE LINE ITEMS, ANSWERING QUESTIONS TO THE LINE ITEMS, AND THEN WE'LL JUMP OVER TO THE SUPPLEMENTALS AND LET THE DEPARTMENTS TALK ABOUT THE SUPPLEMENTALS, BUT THEN HAVE THEM HERE FOR QUESTIONS, FOR LINE ITEMS ALSO.
SO IF YOU WANT TO START WITH REVENUES, IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ON THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES, WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE AT THIS TIME AND THEN WE'LL GO DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT, THEN AFTER. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE REVENUES? SO ON REVENUES, PROPERTY TAXES, AND I'M SURE WE'LL DISCUSS THIS FURTHER.
BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT PROPERTY TAXES ARE CALCULATED BASED ON THE SAME RATE AS LAST YEAR.
YES, MA'AM. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT NUMBER CALCULATED USING THE REVENUE RATE AND SEE HOW OUR BUDGET CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED UNDER THAT SCENARIO.
IT CAN BE ESTIMATED YES. YES, MA'AM. I LIKE THAT IDEA.
GOING BACK TO THE FIRST PAGE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FIRST THING IS THE PROPERTY TAXES.
THERE'S THIS QUITE A FEW [INAUDIBLE] TYPICALLY WHEN WE GET THOSE.
I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY DELINQUENT.
SO I'LL KIND OF WHEN I DO THE BUDGET, I BUDGET A 99% COLLECTION RATE AND THEN A 1% DELINQUENT FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THESE ARE, BUT WE HAVE 100% COLLECTION RATE.
SO IF WE'RE NOT COLLECTING THE MONEY IN THE CURRENT YEAR, WE DO GET IT DOWN THE ROAD.
WE HAVE $81,000 DELINQUENT FROM LAST YEAR FROM THIS PAST TAX YEAR? YES, MA'AM. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE PENALTIES AND INTEREST AND ALL OF THAT IN THERE, TOO.
SO AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT YES, MA'AM.
99% COLLECTION RATE AND WITH THE 1% FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR OF DELINQUENT TAXES.
I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY CLOSE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EXACT.
[INAUDIBLE] SO THE NEXT YEAR'S INCREASE IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE OF NEW PROPERTY THAT'S ADDED, PLUS THE INCREASED VALUES OF EXISTING PROPERTIES. [INAUDIBLE] YES, SIR.
MATTER OF FACT, SLIDE THIS NEXT SLIDE.
SO CAN YOU NOT SEE THE POWERPOINT? [INAUDIBLE] IT'S NOT THAT EASY, JIM.
[INAUDIBLE] SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT 637,000 OF ADDITIONAL REVENUE THIS YEAR.
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EXISTING PROPERTIES.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
ONE QUESTION THAT I HAD THAT I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WAS ON THE BUDGET THAT YOU GAVE US, IT'S CORRECT. SO THE DIFFERENCE IS GOING TO BE TRANSFERS.
TRANSFERS IN AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON THAT SUMMARY PAGE THERE, DOWN THERE BELOW.
AND IT WOULD BE THE TRANSFER FROM THE WATER, WASTE WATER AND AND TRANSFER FROM SOLID WASTE FUND.
AND BRANDON AND I SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT SOME OF OUR FEES.
I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE FRANCHISE FEES LOOKING VERY LOW AND CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT MORE PROPERTIES ELECTRICITY IS COSTING MORE.
IN LOOKING AT THE DETAILS, I GET THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO TRY AND ASSESS THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT KIND OF GOING FORWARD MIGHT BE SOMETHING WORTHY OF SOME TYPE OF PROJECT, WHETHER IT BE WHAT CAN WE DO HERE INTERNALLY TO MAYBE TALK TO THE COMPANIES TO SEE THEIR DETAILS OR PERHAPS GET AN AUDIT OF THOSE NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING ALL OF THE REVENUES THAT WE AND I BELIEVE I DIDN'T TELL YOU THIS EARLIER.
I BELIEVE THE COMPANIES THAT DO IT BASED THEIR FEES ON THE ANYTHING THAT THEY CATCH.
SO IF I WAS JUST THROWING OUT MAYBE AN EXAMPLE, MAYBE 10%.
SO IF THEY FOUND $50,000 THAT WE HADN'T COLLECTED, THEY FOUND LIKE A FINDER'S FEE OF 10% OF THAT.
SO WHY HAVE THE FRANCHISE FEES DROPPED? THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.
SO SO THERE'S THERE'S NO DETAIL, WHATEVER ON THE ELECTRIC FRANCHISE FEES, WHEN THEY SEND A CHECK AND YOU GET THE STUB, THERE'S NO BACKUP FOR IT AS FAR AS USAGE OR NUMBER OF USERS OR ANYTHING.
SO THESE ARE ALL BASED OFF OF QUARTERLY PAYMENTS THAT WE RECEIVE.
. THE RATES ARE ALL DIFFERENT.
YES, MA'AM. BUT THE PAYMENTS THEMSELVES THAT COME IN QUARTERLY IN TOTAL ARE ALL PRETTY CLOSE THERE.
FOR INSTANCE, COMMUNICATIONS WENT FROM 70, ALMOST $75,000 IN 2019.
2020. SO THAT ONE'S A LITTLE EASIER TO EXPLAIN.
THE COMMUNICATION USED TO BE THEY WOULD CHARGE A FRANCHISE FEE FOR THE INTERNET AND FOR THE CABLE, AND NOW THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO CHARGE FOR ONE OF THEM INSTEAD OF BOTH.
SO WE DID SEE A REDUCTION BECAUSE OF THAT.
BUT WITH THE ELECTRIC AND THE GAS, THOSE ARE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN OR ON THE PROPERTY.
RIGHT. SO IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE THAT REVENUE SHOULD BE GOING TOWARDS IMPROVEMENTS LIKE DRAINAGE.
MORE SCREENS, OF COURSE, SOME IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A LOT OF THEM.
I THINK IT IS PROBABLY ON THE PERSONAL PROPERTY, BUT IT'S A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. YEAH, BUT ANYWAY.
AND SO IT DOES HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO RESTRICT FUNDS.
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SO I MEAN, YOU COULD SAY WE WANT ALL FRANCHISE FEES RESTRICTED AND ONLY TO BE USED FOR SUCH PROJECT X PROJECT. IT'D BE SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE ON.BUT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T BELIEVE IN SAVING FOR FUTURE EXPENSES.
I DO. SO IF WE HAD A BUDGET THAT COULD ACCUMULATE THAT MONEY THAT AT SOME POINT WE HAVE MONEY TO SPEND ON DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS. SURE.
I'LL WAIT TILL WE GET TO NON-DEPARTMENTAL TO MAKE A COMMENT ON ON THE BUCKETS.
OKAY. THERE'S A LITTLE MORE QUESTIONS ON REVENUE.
WE CAN MOVE ALONG TO CITY COUNCIL BUDGET, STARTING WITH 0100.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE.
THAT CAN GO. IT COULD GO ANYWHERE.
THE REVENUE FOR THAT IS ALSO BUDGETED IN THE GENERAL FUND AND IT'S UNDER OTHER INCOME AND YOU'LL SEE A $4,000 REVENUE STREAM COMING IN FOR THE PROGRAM. AND THIS WOULD JUST BE THE MATCHING EXPENSE.
SO IF THERE'S NO MONEY THAT COMES IN THAT YEAR, THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE AN EXPENSE.
SO IN THE PAST THE LAST FEW YEARS, THAT'S BEEN IN CASE WE WERE TO DO A PARKER FEST OR SOMETHING AND WE WANTED TO, TO DO A CONTRIBUTION TO IT YEAH. FOR, FOR THE AGENDA ITEMS. I MEAN IT COULD GO, IT COULD GO ANYWHERE ELSE.
SO YES. SO THE FOOD BUDGET THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE COUNCIL MEETINGS WHEN FOOD AND STUFF IS BROUGHT IN, THE THE MISCELLANEOUS EVENTS, YOU COULD PUT THAT IN PARKS, BUT THEN IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT EVENT, IT'S BUILDING UP THE FUND BALANCE IN PARKS. SO THIS WAY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE EVENT, IT STAYS IN THE GENERAL FUND.
[INAUDIBLE] SO WOULD YOU LIKE THAT TREE PROGRAM TO BE MOVED OVER TO PARKS? MY ONLY MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT, AGAIN, IS IF THEY SEE A BUDGET FOR $4,000, BUT THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY MONEY FROM THE PROGRAM OR SOMETHING, GIVING THEM THE FALSE IMPRESSION THAT THEY HAVE $4,000 OR SOMETHING.
SO IF IT GOES TO COUNCIL, IT COULD GO UNDER PARKS AND REC.
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IT COULD.SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE TRAINING SIDE OF IT.
[INAUDIBLE] SO THAT THE TRAVEL SIDE, THE LAST FEW YEARS IT HASN'T BEEN USED.
THERE'S ALSO PROBABLY HAD TO DO WITH COVID.
BUT IF THE TML CONFERENCE IS ATTENDED THIS YEAR, THAT CONFERENCE IS PROBABLY IS GOING TO BE WELL OVER THE $2,000 BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT, PROBABLY THROWING SOME OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, PROBABLY AROUND $500 OR SOMETHING TO SAN ANTONIO.
COURSE, THOSE ARE JUST GUESSES.
BUT IF TML ATTENDED THIS YEAR, I WOULD ASSUME TML WOULD CONSUME MOST OF THAT $6,000 BUDGET.
I LIKE TO SEE PLANNING AND ZONING TRAINING IN THERE.
I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT THESE THINGS ARE CURRENTLY IF IT WAS [INAUDIBLE].
THE VENDOR WAS IN EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS THAT'S GOT $3,000 UP TO THE SIDE.
I MEAN, THE BUDGET IS EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS MEMBERSHIP.
SO, I MEAN, I HAVE TO HAVE TO PULL THE INVOICE AND SEE IF IT INCLUDES OTHER THINGS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S FOR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS SERVICES.
I THINK THAT'S FOR FIRE AND POLICE.
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THE OTHER THING IS ON PUBLICATIONS.YES. IT SEEMS LIKE WE MAKE DOUBLE BUDGETING FOR POSTAGE EXPENSES.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO JUST HAVE A BUDGET [INAUDIBLE] ADMINISTRATION.
AND AND THEN THERE WAS ASKED HOW MUCH WERE WE SPEND ON THE NEWSLETTERS? AND IT WAS HARD TO IDENTIFY BECAUSE IT WAS HAD TO GO BACK AND TRY TO BREAK IT OUT THAT ACCOUNT.
IT LOOKS LIKE OF LIKE QUARTERLY.
SO THE POSTAGE HAS TO BE A MANUAL JOURNAL ENTRY.
SO I GO BACK AND DO MANUAL ENTRY CLOSER TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR BASED ON THE NUMBER OF MAILINGS AND I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY.
IS IT GOING TO CHANGE THE FACT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO DO IT? YEAH. AND AGAIN, MY FEAR IS THAT WE'VE DOUBLED BUDGETED FOR THAT.
I JUST I WOULDN'T TAKE IT OUT OF THIS BUDGET AND JUST PUT IN AN ADMINISTRATION.
AND IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SEPARATE LINE LIKE GRANT HAS FOR THESE TO CATEGORIZE, TO LET YOU KNOW WITH THE COST OF DIFFERENT THINGS IS I MEAN, I CAN GIVE A PIECE OF PAPER AND TELL YOU ABOUT HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST AND BUDGET DOWN FOR IT WITHOUT HAVING TO DO SEPARATE JOURNAL ENTRIES AND SEGREGATING IT.
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. IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY IMPORTANT, WE CAN LEAVE IT THERE.YEAH, MY THOUGHT IS IT'S LESS THAN $5,000.
WE'RE SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME JUST TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE NEED A BUDGET ITEM ON IT, AND IT'S NOT WORTH THE EFFORT. SO IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY, WE CAN LEAVE IT IN THERE AND CONTINUE TO DO THE JOURNAL ENTRIES AND WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET? I'M GONNA THROW YOU OUT CURVE THEN.
CAN WE JUMP OVER TO PAGE, PAGE 12? BECAUSE I KNOW GARY'S GOT TO LEAVE HERE A LITTLE BIT.
SO HIT HIS BUDGET DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO WE LOOK AT PAGE 12 AND PAGE 13.
YEAH. SO AT THE END OF JULY, PRIOR TO OUR SECOND BUDGET WORKSHOP, THE BIDS FOR THE MEDIUM LANDSCAPING AND MOWING WILL BE DUE.
AND SO WHEN WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS, I'LL BE ABLE TO PLUG THOSE IN AND CHANGE THESE.
ALSO INCLUDE THE PHONE LINES AND ALL THAT RATHER THAN HAVE TWO SEPARATE DEALS.
WELL, SO WE HAD IT WAS ALREADY BROKEN OUT.
IT'S THE SAME IT'S THE SAME CONTRACTOR DOING BOTH OF THEM.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY DECIDED TO SEPARATE IT OUT.
JUST DO FERTILIZING ON ONE END AND MOWING ON THE OTHER END.
SO THERE WAS ONE OR THE OTHER WAS BAD.
THEY COULD JUST GET RID OF THEM.
AND THAT WAS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WHEN [INAUDIBLE] TOOK THAT PROJECT ON YEARS AGO.
AT THAT TIME I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND OR KNOW WHY WE BUILT TWO CONTRACTS FOR ONE CONTRACT.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR ARGUMENT WAS THE CIRCUIT PEOPLE HAD DIFFERENT LICENSES.
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I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SPEAKERS]. YEAH.THAT WAS DONE, WHAT, 2017, I BELIEVE BEFORE WE GOT HERE, [INAUDIBLE] WAS THE ONE THAT TOOK THAT PROJECT ON BECAUSE HE WASN'T HAPPY WITH THE CHEMICAL APPLICATIONS AND I THINK STAFF WAS REALLY BEHIND THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT DOING WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE DOING, AND THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO SEPARATE THEM OUT.
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO LOSE THEIR JOB.
YEAH, I DON'T YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I WOULD SUGGEST WE FIND WAYS OF LESSENING THE WORK BEING DONE BECAUSE THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE.
AND PRIOR TO THIS LAST PART OF THIS LAST CONTRACT, IT WAS ACTUALLY HAD BEEN MORE AND THEN A LOWER CONTRACT CAME IN LAST YEAR BY A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL YEAH.
MIC] DID WE EVER LOOK AT SHARING COSTS WITH THE OTHER CITY THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET? I MEAN, WE'RE TAKING ON PARKER ROAD, GOING SOUTH.
I KNOW, BUT HALF THE NORTH SIDE OF PARKER ROAD IS LUCAS.
I DON'T THINK THAT ADDRESSES UNIFORMS. I MEAN, IT'S GOT BOOTS IN THERE, WHICH IS A NICE PLUS.
SO IT'D BE IT'S LIKE ON PAGE 12, THAT'D BE FOR TWO EMPLOYEES.
AND THEN ON PAGE 13, THAT WOULD BE FOR TWO EMPLOYEES.
AND IN THE WATER FUND, THERE'S FOUR [INAUDIBLE].
SO IT LEAVES $150 A PERSON FOR UNIFORM TYPE STUFF SHIRTS.
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I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S NOT BUYING FIVE PAIRS OF JEANS.LONG SLEEVE, SHORT SLEEVE AND JEANS AND A COAT MIC] . AND I WILL SAY, SINCE GARY'S IS THE FIRST BUDGET THAT'S GOT MAINTENANCE ITEMS IN IT, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, YOU WILL SEE AN INCREASE IN MAINTENANCE COSTS.
SO THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT THE NEW TRUCKS WON'T EVEN HIT.
SO WE HAVE TO AT LEAST BUDGET YEAH THE VEHICLES COMING IN THERE'S $50,000 FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES.
NOW THE CURRENT YEAR, IT APPEARS AND I THINK TALKING TO YOU, PART OF THAT IS FOR PERMITTING FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
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BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT REVENUES, WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PLANNING FEES.WE WEREN'T AREN'T ANTICIPATING NEW PLANNING.
DO WE NEED TO REDUCE THIS FOR THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT? [INAUDIBLE] WE ANTICIPATE USING [INAUDIBLE] FOR FOR NEXT YEAR AS FAR AS PROJECTS NOT RELATED TO THE PUMP STATION OR OR STREETS.
AND IF WE NEED THEM, WE WE NEED THEM.
BUT LOOKING AT WHAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT'S IN THE ACTUAL NUMBERS THROUGH MAY, WE HAVE $19,000 RELATED TO THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
WE HAD $30,000 RELATED TO CITYWIDE THINGS LIKE THE ANNEXATION MAPS, ETC., THE THE MUD REVIEW AND THAT KIND OF THING.
AND THEN WE HAD $4,500 ON ROADWAYS.
NOW, I'M NOT SURE WHAT PERHAPS SOME OF THOSE ROADWAYS SHOULD BE UNDER THE CONSTRUCTION OR STREETS FUND MAYBE.
BUT STILL, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT THE ENGINEER DOES THAT WHAT ARE WE EXPECTING THEM TO DO NEXT YEAR? YEAH. THIS IS STRICTLY JUST LOOKING AT THIS PART OF THE BUDGET.
GARY YEAH, YOU KNOW BETTER THAN I, AND MAYBE THE TIME DELAY IS MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN I'M THINKING. IF I DON'T HAVE A PLAN B, I SHOULDN'T BE DOING DEVELOPMENT.
IS THERE IS THERE ANY SUBDIVISIONS THAT BIRKHOFF IS GOING TO BE WORKING ON NEXT YEAR? WE DON'T KNOW. BUT MY POINT IS, IF WE'RE IF WE'RE NOT BUDGETING THE THE REVENUE, IT SHOULDN'T BUDGET THE EXPENSE.
AND IF WE CHANGE THE MORATORIUM ENDS, WE CAN COME IN AND CHANGE THE BUDGET TO ADD MORE DEVELOPMENT, TO SHOW MORE REVENUES AND SHOW MORE EXPENSES.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO OVER ESTIMATE OUR EXPENSES BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING [INAUDIBLE]. SO WHAT ELSE DO WE USE BIRKHOFF LIKE I KNOW WE USED THEM FOR, LIKE FIREWORKS FOR . HOW MUCH MONEY DID YOU HAVE TO SPEND ON ENGINEERING CAN'T REALLY CHANGE THIS DEVELOPMENT.
BUT TYPICALLY WHAT YOU PUT IN THERE IS THEY'LL PAY FOR ALL THE PERSONAL SERVICES, WHICH INCLUDES ENGINEERING, SURVEYING, ALL THAT STUFF THAT YOU REINFECTIONS REINSPECTION FEES.
SO WE PASS ALL OUR COSTS ON TO THEM, BUT WE DON'T DO THAT'S NOT WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO WITH THAT.
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MIC] SO IF KING'S CROSSING FIVE GOT APPROVED PRIOR TO 930BEFORE 930 BUT THEN LIKELY HAVE EXPENSES LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR IN PRIOR YEARS IN THE NEXT YEAR.SO WE NEED SOMETHING BUDGETED FOR THOSE EXPENSES.
WHAT'S A REASONABLE NUMBER? IS $5,000 A REASONABLE NUMBER OUT OF 20 AND WE LEAVE $5,000 IN AND TAKE 15 OUT? SOMEBODY LET ME MOVE THAT TO 35,000 FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES.
WOULD THAT'D BE REASONABLE, GARY.
YEAH. AND THAT'S I MEAN, $15,000 IS IT'S ENOUGH TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? OKAY. OKAY.
JUMP OVER TO PAGE 16 AND 17 AND 18 REAL QUICK.
17, 18. [INAUDIBLE] I WILL SAY THAT ON PAGE 16, UNDER ACCOUNT NUMBER 0368608 WATER PURCHASE, NORTH TEXAS GAVE A AN ESTIMATED NUMBER OF THAT $2,005,000 AND SAID THAT ONCE THEY GET JULY'S CONSUMPTION NUMBERS, THAT THEY WILL UPDATE THAT NUMBER AS WELL SO.
THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
WE'RE USING A LOT OF WATER RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF WATER TO DO THIS.
SO THERE'S $145,000 BUDGET FOR OVERAGES.
I GUESS WE LOOK AT FARMER'S ALMANAC TO SEE WHAT KIND OF DROUGHT WE'RE EXPECTING, BUT SINCE WE'VE BEEN UNDER SOME SOME YEARS, WE'VE BEEN UNDER HAVEN'T USED EVERYTHING AND WE'VE GOTTEN A REBATE CHECK AND SOME YEARS WE'VE BEEN OVER.
MIC] OUR WATER CELLS WERE, I THINK, OVER A HALF MILLION LAST MONTH SO.
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CAN'T GET IT TILL LATER IN THE YEAR MIC].AND THAT DEVELOPER NEVER REACHED BACK OUT TO US, AND THE CITY NEVER DID EITHER.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK FROM THEM, SO WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH IT.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ON THE REST OF THE WATER EXPENSES, WE CAN WE TAKE A LOOK REAL QUICK AND HIT SUPPLEMENTALS AND SQUEEZE THAT OUT OF THEM BEFORE HE LEAVES. SO I DID DO TWO DIFFERENT SHEETS.
I DID ONE FOR GENERAL FUND AND ONE FOR THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND.
IN ADDITION TO THE SUMMARY ONE THAT I HAD EMAILED EVERYONE, I JUST WANT THE REPLACEMENT FUND THAT IS COMING OUT OF A DIFFERENT POOL OF MONEY. I DIDN'T WANT IT TO GET LOST IN THE CITYWIDE ONE HERE.
SO HE'S GOT THREE REPLACEMENTS THAT ARE ON THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND, THE VAC TRAILER, THE BOAT, A TRACTOR AND A DUMP TRAILER. AND WE CALLED FRIDAY ON THE VAC TRAILER [INAUDIBLE]. SO BEFORE THE PHONE CALL, WE KIND OF TALKED AND THOUGHT MAYBE A $50,000 MIGHT BE THE COST OF A VAC TRAILER AND THE VAC SHARES $150,000.
SPEAKERS]. AND THE PROBLEM THE PROBLEM WITH THE TRAILER HE HAS RIGHT NOW IS IT'S THE COMPANY.
THE COMPANY'S OUT OF BUSINESS.
NEED A PUMP AND EXHAUST AND CAN'T GET YOU THE WATER OUT.
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AND THE GUY SAID IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND A USED ONE AND THE PROSPER USED ONE.HE SAID IF YOU FOUND IT WAS STILL OVER UNDER $1,000.
AND HE SAID HE SAID IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND ONE [INAUDIBLE].
AND THEN THE [INAUDIBLE] YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TRACTOR.
AND [INAUDIBLE] I BELIEVE ALSO.
SO THEY'RE TYPICALLY THEY'RE ONE OF THE BETTER ONES THAT HAVE THE BETTER PRICING ON THEM.
THEY TEND TO HOLD UP A LOT BETTER TOO.
SO OUT OF THESE THREE ITEMS, WHICH ONE'S YES, LAST YEAR.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING SUPPLEMENTAL FOR THE GENERAL FUND SOMETHING NEW.
BUT IT WAS THE $90,000 THAT WAS ON THE WAS EARMARKED.
IT WAS FROM THE FEES ON THE CONTRACT.
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THE ONE THAT WE GOT FOR $25 AND $450,000.WOW. DO WE FEEL LIKE THAT THIS IS ARTIFICIALLY INCREASED RIGHT NOW DUE TO THE ECONOMY AND CHIPS AND EVERYTHING ELSE? I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
AND TO KIND OF DISAGREE WITH YOU A BIT, WE UNDERSTAND WHY WE WANT TO DO IT, BUT ARE WE ADDING A SERVICE THAT WE REALLY DON'T NEED? ARGUE THAT PUBLIC WORKS DURING THE STORM AGAIN IN THIS LAST YEAR SAVED LIVES BECAUSE THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO HAD WHAT PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE MADE IT IN OUR OWN OUR OWN SECURITY SERVICES, OUR POLICE CHIEF, OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT COULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH THE CITY AND NOT BEEN FOR THEM BECAUSE NOBODY WAS COMING FOR US.
MIC] BUT WE UNDERSTOOD THE NEED FOR A DUMP TRUCK.
A YEAR AGO WE COULDN'T GET IT.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN EQUIPMENT TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS JOB.
AND IF WE HAVE THE $90,000 EARMARK, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM EARMARKING THAT AS LONG AS WE'RE GOING TO BE SAYING NO DUMP TRUCK NOW TO GO TO THE TRACTOR TRAILER, AT LEAST THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM DOING THAT BECAUSE WE'LL ALSO BE ABLE TO SELL THOSE TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT FOR I MEAN, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 35 YEARS AND FOR 37 YEARS WE'VE NEVER HAD SAND ON THE ROAD.
SO AND WE HAVE HAD SNOWFALLS AND ICE STORMS AND ALL THAT.
WE PUT SAND ON THE ROADS MANY YEARS AND SAND IT FOR YEARS.
MIC]. WE'VE NEVER HAD THE ABILITY TO DO IT IN SOME KIND OF AUTOMATED FASHION.
WE HAD TWO YEARS OF ICE COLD WEATHER.
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WE MAY GO 15 YEARS AND NOT HAVE ANOTHER SNOWSTORM OR ICE STORM.SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE.
CORRECT. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
WE'VE HAD TWO IN A ROW, WHICH IS UNUSUAL.
SO THE CHANCE OF THE THIRD, I THINK, IS SLIM.
BUT IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE. NO, IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
AND OTHER CITIES, WE'RE LOOKING AT US GOING AWAY.
WE WEREN'T. AND I DON'T WANT I WOULD HATE FOR SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC TO HAPPEN BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A SIMPLE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT OR TO GET TO THE POINT THAT ONE OF OUR GUYS [INAUDIBLE].
THESE ARE OUR PUBLIC WORKS GUYS.
AND THEY DON'T NECESSARILY LIVE IN PARKER, BUT THEY'RE ALL PART OF PARKER.
BUT THE ODDS I'M JUST SAYING THE ODDS.
YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
WE ASKED ABOUT SOME OTHER OTHER OPTIONS AND THE GUY SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU BUY IF YOU BUY THE ONES THAT ARE A LITTLE LESS MONEY, THEY SAID THAT YOU'RE GOING TO END UP IN HERE ALL THE TIME WITH REPAIRS THAT THEY BREAK DOWN ALL.
NOW, REMEMBER, THIS IS COMING OUT OF THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PLANT, NOT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUNDS.
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ARE INCLUDED. CORRECT.WE ARE NOW IN RECESS FOR APPROXIMATELY 10 MINUTES AND WE WILL RECONVENE AT THAT TIME.
WE ARE NOW BACK IN SESSION FOR THE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP ON JULY . SURE WE'LL START BACK OVER AT PAGE FIVE FOR ADMINISTRATION.
GO WITH THE FINISHING DEMONSTRATION.
OF COURSE, I'LL POINT OUT THE OBVIOUS AS FAR AS SALARY AND BENEFITS.
THE BIG REASON FOR THE DIFFERENCES GOING IN HOUSE FOR ATTORNEY?
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MIC] NO, THAT'S.SO THAT WOULD THAT WOULD JUST GO UNDERNEATH TRAVEL AND TRAINING FOR A TRAVEL TRAINING.
8603 IS WHERE REIMBURSEMENT FOR MILEAGE WOULD GO.
SO WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE SAVINGS THERE.
THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IS PROJECTED TO INCREASE BY JUST OVER $10,000.
YES. WHAT IS THAT RELATED TO? SO SO THE THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT FEES, BOTH OF THOSE INCREASE.
I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THOSE.
AND THEN WE WE HAD THE LEXISNEXIS FOR THE LEGAL STUFF PORTRAY.
THEY DIDN'T OFFER A PACKAGE DEAL WITH WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS ALREADY USING.
YEAH, BUT WE ASKED SO HE SAID, NO, I CAN'T PACKAGE IT, BUT I'LL WORK WITH YOU ON THE RIGHTS.
SO THAT'S THE THE FILING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SEC FOR OUR BOND THAT HE'LL TALK TO US FOR US.
I DO DO I DO A LOT OF THE WORK AND WORKSHEETS AND PROVIDE TO THEM.
AND THEY PUT THE DOCUMENT TOGETHER AND DO ALL THE FILING.
THE WORKSHEETS ALONE THAT I DO PROBABLY 20 HOURS WORTH OF WORK OR MORE SO.
SO WE HAD WE TRIED TO RUN IT THROUGH THE COURTS TECHNOLOGY FUND UNTIL WE KIND OF RAN OUT OF MONEY.
WE WERE RUNNING IT DOWN, SO WE HAD TO BRING IT BACK.
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BUT FOR COURT OR JURY DUTY.IF WE HAVE JURY SHE'LL GET SOME COOKIES OR SOMETHING FOR THEM IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LONG DAY.
YEAH, BUT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN.
I UNDERSTOOD THAT SHE WHEN THE COURT WAS MEETING IN THE EVENING, SHE ALWAYS HAD A SNACK FOR THE PROSECUTOR AND THE JUDGE BECAUSE THEY WILL COME DIRECTLY FROM THEIR WORK OR TO OUR 6 P.M.
COURT SINCE WE MOVE THE COURT 9:00 IN THE MORNING.
YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT'S COFFEE AND DONUTS.
YEAH. ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS ON THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, DOES THE ADMINISTRATION USE JOHN BIRKHOFF? WE DON'T CHARGE ANYTHING FOR BIRKHOFF.
ON THE ASSOCIATION'S FOR STAFF.
WHO SAYS I ACTUALLY NEED TO PRACTICE LAW? YOU SHOULD HAVE IT PERFECT BY NOW IF YOU DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW. IT'S PRACTICE, NOT PERFECTION.
SO THE BUT MOST OF THE ASSOCIATIONS, I'M ASSUMING THEY PROVIDE THE EDUCATION.
SO AND I ASSUME THAT'S PROBABLY.
A LOT OF DATABASE FILES WE CAN PULL UP WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE USING LIKE ON DIFFERENT.
SO I CAN LOOK AT THE RESEARCH DONE ON THAT TO BRING IT FORWARD AND PUT IT TOWARDS STUFF.
I HAVE TO ABIDE BY THEIR HIGH ETHICAL STANDARD DURING THAT TIME.
THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT HOW DOES THAT PROBABLY SO, YEAH.
THEY TAKE THEIR TOTAL BUDGET AND BREAK IT UP BY PROBABLY NUMBER OF PROPERTIES IN THE CITY.
AND THEN WHATEVER PERCENT THAT IS IS THE PERCENT WE PAY OF THEIR EXPENSES.
AND THEN THE PROPERTY TAX COLLECTION FEE THAT'S PER PROPERTY.
SO THAT ONE IS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES WE HAVE.
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SHE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, ONE IS THE TEXAS COURT AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IS THE NORTH TEXAS CENTRAL.YEAH. [INAUDIBLE] YEAH, IT'S MUNICIPAL COURT.
[INAUDIBLE] SHE HAD TO LEAN ON THEM ON BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE].
SHE'S GOT SOME KIND OF CERTIFICATION TOO WE HAD A CODE THAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH DIFFERENT CHANNELS.
WE HAD TO GO THROUGH TEXAS COURT, HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STATE.
THE SUPREME COURT SET RULES UP THAT WE COULD DO, AND THEN THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF WE HAD TO HAVE A PUBLIC POLICY ON FILE AND THEY HELP DRAFT A TEMPLATE FOR US ON THAT AND HOW WE GET OUT OF COURT STILL DURING COVID.
AND IT WAS A NIGHTMARE AT THAT POINT.
MIC] I USE MY PROFESSION THAT'S ACTUALLY IT'S A SIM CARD.
THIS SHOULD BE ON PAGE NUMBER SIX SO THEY CAN THEY'RE ASSESSING.
THEY'RE ASSESSING THE SYSTEM AND FIXING SOME OF THE ISSUES [INAUDIBLE] YEAH THERE WERE SOME ISSUES AND COMPUTER ISSUES AND THERE WERE SOME PROBLEMS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ASSESS THE PROBLEM AND WORK THROUGH IT.
RIGHT NOW, THIS ALL GOES BACK TO THE RANSOMWARE.
MIKE FINALLY WAS ABLE TO ISOLATE EVERYTHING.
YEAH. [INAUDIBLE] YES. YES, SIR.
SO IS THERE A BAN ON POLICE NOW? PAGE EIGHT. OKAY.
SO WHILE WE GO THROUGH THE LINEUPS, AFTER WE GO THROUGH THAT POLICE LINEUP, DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE POLICE SUPPLEMENTALS AT THE SAME TIME, KILL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE, LAID THEM TO REST.
AND JUST ONE THING, ADMIN HAD ONE SUPPLEMENTAL.
IT WAS THE CONDUIT FOR THE FIBER LINE WE'VE GOT.
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WELL, WE GOT THE FIBER SIDE OF THE CONTRACT SIGNED FOR THE FIBER.WELL, WHEN THEY DID THEIR ASSESSMENT, INITIAL ASSESSMENT, THEY TOLD US THERE WAS CONDUIT THERE.
THERE'S NO CONDUIT. SO NOW EVERYTHING'S BEEN PUT ON HOLD.
WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR THE FIBER LINE RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE JUST WE NEED THE CONDUIT.
AND I CAN'T FIND THE CONDUIT COMPANY BECAUSE IT'S GOT TO COME FROM THE BOX OVER HERE.
BUT THEN YOU GOT TO COME OVER BY THE TREE AND THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AND OPEN INTO THE BUILDING.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF HAND DIGGING INVOLVED WITH THAT, TOO, AND WE CAN'T GET TO THE END OF THIS.
I DON'T EVEN HAVE A BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR.
IT WASN'T PLANNED. I THOUGHT THE CONDUIT WAS ALREADY INSTALLED.
THAT'S WHY WE [INAUDIBLE] NOT THE EXTRA TEN GRAND.
AND YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CHASE DOWN ANY CONTRACTOR WE CAN.
SO ANYONE HAS A CONTRACTOR LET US KNOW.
WE CAN'T FIND ANYONE IN THE AREA.
WE'RE TRYING. MIKE'S BEEN CALLING.
I'VE BEEN CALLING. WE JUST CAN'T GET ANYONE.
I HAVE TO WE HAVE TO GET TWO CONTRACTORS OUT.
AND NONE OF THEM SUBMITTED BIDS.
I CHANGE IT. WELL, APPARENTLY YOU WERE THE ONE AUTHORITY.
OH [INAUDIBLE] LINE ITEMS THAT I CHANGED OVER HERE SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, I DIDN'T GET IT IN HERE.
SO THERE IS NO CODING [INAUDIBLE].
DID YOU MIND YOU MIGHT HAVE SENT TO ME AND I DIDN'T BECAUSE I HAD TO HAND TOP EVERYTHING IN.
THIS IS JUST LIST OUT WHAT? WHAT I THINK I'M GOING TO SPEND IN THAT YEAR FOR MY EMPLOYMENT.
JUST A GUESS. SO THAT UNDERNEATH THERE, I TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED.
AND SO THE ONE I HAD PREPARED HAS DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT STILL HAS GENERAL TOOLS, STILL HAS HAZARDOUS WASTE DISPOSAL [INAUDIBLE] EQUIPMENT RECOGNITION, SUPPLIES, BATTERIES.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT I CHANGED [INAUDIBLE].
BUT IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, I JUST I THINK I WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY SIGNED THE CHECK.
YOU SAID IT WOULD BE THE LAST THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE.
SO I HOPE THE CALL IS COMING IN.
WELL, THE NUMBER WILL STAY THE SAME, BUT IT'S GETTING SPENT ON SOMETHING ELSE, SOMETHING ELSE.
NO MORE. AND I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A TOUCHY SUBJECT.
[INAUDIBLE] IF I KEEP THAT IF I DIDN'T CHANGE THAT.
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QUESTION. AND THE REASON IS UP HERE FOR RATES THE REASON I HAVE THAT LISTED OUT, IF OUR EARMUFFS BREAK OR THE THE PLUGS THAT WE HAVE OR THE SAFETY GLASSES, WE WOULD GO UP THERE AND BUY THAT.NOW, IF YOU DROP DOWN TO PUBLIC SAFETY 8118 AMMUNITION RANGE FEES AND TARGETS, THE RANGE FEES ARE WHAT WE ANTICIPATE PAYING THEM, BUT THEY WILL NOT BILL US AND DID NOT BILL US LAST YEAR.
AND THEY ARE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN THIS YEAR.
AND I'M GOING LIKE THIS MONEY GOES AWAY IF YOU DON'T BUILD IT IN THE BUDGET YEAR.
I CAN'T I CAN'T AFFORD TO BACK THAT.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE GIVING IT TO US FOR FREE.
I THINK THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT THE WAY WE WERE DOING IT, NOW WE'RE DOING IT SINCE WE WON THAT CONTRACT WITH THEM, WE'RE DOING IT MONTHLY BECAUSE THE RANGE [INAUDIBLE] IS FREE.
SO THE ONLY PERSON THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IS THE PERSON THAT COMES WEEKLY THAT MONTH.
I THINK SIX OF THE OFFICERS WENT DOWN THERE AND NO BILL.
AND THEN WE'VE HAD SEVERAL GO SHOOT AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET CHARGED FOR THAT NUMBER.
SO FAR IT'S FREE, WHICH IS A GREAT DEAL.
THIS IS JUST FOR THE FEES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE CHARGED.
I WAS CONFUSED ON WHY THIS BILL WOULD BE TWICE.
AMMUNITION IS BOTH RANGE AMMUNITION AS WELL AS DUTY.
NO, THIS IS LIKE BLOOD AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
OH, YEAH. THE SHARKS WERE TAKING ON THE [INAUDIBLE].
THAT'S THE KEY FOR THAT COMPANY TO COME.
OKAY, SO. WHEN WE HAVE A DRUG [INAUDIBLE].
IT COSTS US MONEY TO HAVE JUST TO DO THE SHARKS PART, BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY RESIDENTS COMING IN SAYING, I CAN'T GET RID OF THIS. SO WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND AGREED AND WE WERE GOING TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.
AND THIS YEAR, I THINK IS I THINK THE FIRST WEEK WAS 111 AND THE SECOND WAS LIKE 109, AND THAT WOULD BE IT FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR. WE GOT QUITE A FEW.
BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
AND I SEE THAT THIS IS ANOTHER YEAR THAT'S A OH NO, THAT'S, THAT'S MY OLD NOTE FOR.
I'M CURRENTLY OUT OF MONEY IN THE VEHICLE MAINTENANCE FROM THIS YEAR.
SO I'M OVERBUDGET AND I HAVE STILL THREE MONTHS TO GO.
WELL, REMEMBER, THEY DON'T THEY DON'T COVER PURSUIT RATE VEHICLES, WHICH CURRENTLY SEEM FOUR. SO WHEN WE TRANSITION DOWN TO FOUR, THEN TWO OF THE CARS WILL BE COVERED ON.
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YEAH, WELL, EVENTUALLY, BUT NOT REALLY.MY FIRST QUESTION I DON'T KNOW, THIS IS LAST RESTRUCTURE, THE ONE BEFORE THAT.
HOW DO YOU REMEMBER IT JIM? I REMEMBER SAYING . YOU REMEMBER THAT? THE RESTRUCTURE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE INVESTIGATOR WAS NEVER TALKED ABOUT.
AND WE DIDN'T DO IT LAST YEAR.
BUT THE INVESTIGATOR POSITION WAS NEVER A PART OF THE RESTRUCTURE.
AS FAR AS I MEAN, HIS POSITION REMAINED THE SAME.
WHAT I REMEMBER RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU DIVIDE IT OUT, THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT AT THAT POINT, WHEN YOU BROUGHT THAT UP . EXACTLY. I I RECALL THE POLICE CHIEF SAYING HE WAS STILL INTERESTED IN HAVING A FULL TIME POLICE INVESTIGATOR. I THINK THAT'S ALL.
FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, THAT'S HIS THAT'S HIS GOAL.
MY COMMENT IS OR MY SUGGESTION IS WE STILL THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DISCUSSION WE HAD LAST YEAR ABOUT USING A RESERVE OFFICER OR SOME KIND OF OR SOMEBODY TO JUST DO PROJECTS AS THEY ARE NEEDED AND SEE IF THERE ARE WAYS OF FINDING IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, WE HAVE TO DO.
WHAT LEVEL OF INVESTIGATION DO WE DO? AND I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I TOLD THE CHIEF I WOULD SIT WITH HIM AND GO OVER TO SEE SPECIFICALLY SOME OF THE CASES THAT HE'S DEALING WITH.
BUT I STILL THINK FOR THE CITY THAT WE ARE, WE SHOULDN'T GET AN INVESTIGATOR, JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE SOMETHING WE'RE WANTING.
IT'S LIKE WE'RE BUILDING A BIG, BIG CITY AND WE'RE NOT A BIG CITY.
WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH THINGS AS TIGHT AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
AND WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING OUR RESIDENT MIGHT WANT US TO MIGHT WANT, BUT WE HAVE TO.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM OTHER OPTIONS WHEN THIS IS WHAT WE CAN GIVE YOU.
BUT BEYOND THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GO TO YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNTY OR THE STATE CAN HELP ON SOME.
AND LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON INVESTIGATOR I KNOW YOU'RE WANTING IT.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR CITY.
I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THIS.
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I KNOW THE HOUSE SPLIT BETWEEN SOME INVESTIGATIONS AND WHAT HAS CHANGED? HAVE WE ALL OF A SUDDEN GOT A WHOLE LOT MORE TO INVESTIGATE HERE? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND SO MAYBE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO OTHER PEOPLE IF WE KNOW HAS THERE BEEN GROWTH IN THAT AREA? AND ALSO, LOOK AT SOME OF WELL I HAVE THE COST FROM THAT TOO.I DIDN'T PRESENT IT BECAUSE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT MONEY AND IN MY OPINION, PRESENT WHAT I PRESENT TO YOU AND WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE THE BEST FOR THE POLICE.
AND THE REASON IS WE'RE CURRENTLY CARRYING A FULL TIME INVESTIGATIVE CASELOAD IN THAT 20 CASES, AND THE MAJORITY ARE A LOT OF THESE CASES ARE COMPLICATED CASES.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST DO IN A DAY.
PLUS, THE RESIDENTS HAVE AN EXPECTATION.
YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE HELP THAT THEY NEED.
THAT WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. WE TOLD THEM THAT THAT IT WASN'T CRIMINAL OR CIVIL.
IT WASN'T. THERE WAS A CRIMINAL ASPECT TO IT, BUT THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
BUT IT'S A COMPLICATED IT'S A COMPLICATED ISSUE TO LOOK INTO IT.
SO COULD YOU NEXT TIME WE MEET, COULD YOU KIND OF BREAK DOWN THE TYPES OF INVESTIGATIONS, LIKE HOW MUCH IS FRAUD AND HOW MUCH IS CRIMINAL? BUT THE TYPES OF INVESTIGATIONS THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, TO ADD SIX RESERVES TO THE PARK OR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS A COST OF ABOUT $77,000.
THEN TO GET THEM TRAINED WHEN THEY ONLY VOLUNTEER FOR 12 HOURS A MONTH, IT'S GOING TO TAKE ABOUT TWO YEARS FOR THAT PROGRAM TO MELT INTO A USABLE PROGRAM.
VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, IF WE STARTED WITH TWO, IS ABOUT $53,000.
SO I HAD TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHAT I WANTED TO PRESENT.
AND I WENT WITH THE TWO THAT I THOUGHT WERE THE BEST SUIT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THAT ADDITIONAL INCENTIVE PROGRAM SERVES TWO PURPOSES.
IT HELPS KEEP PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY WORKING HERE BY INCENTIVIZING WHAT THEY DO.
AND IT HELPS US ADVERTISE AND SAY, HEY, IF YOU OBTAINED THESE THINGS, THE CITY RECOGNIZES THAT AS IMPORTANT AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A SMALL INCENTIVE PAY FOR THOSE THINGS.
SO IT HELPS IN RECRUITING AND HELPS KEEP THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, AND IT'S A MINIMAL COST.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, LIKE I SAID, A BREAK OUT OF CASES AND ALSO WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE COSTING OUT OF THE RESERVE PROGRAMS. BUT I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THERE IS ON THAT BECAUSE I KNOW SEVERAL SMALL AGENCIES THAT THEY STARTED UTILIZING FORMER OFFICERS THAT ARE TO THE CENTER, THAT YOU ELIMINATE SOME THAT MAYBE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INVESTIGATOR THAT REPORT BACK TO YOUR OFFICE.
AND SO I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE THAT AS WELL AS SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF THE CASELOAD THAT
HE'S GOT [INAUDIBLE] BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IN THIS . SO AT THIS TIME [INAUDIBLE] ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.