>> WE'RE GOING TO CALL ORDER [NOISE] PLANNING RESILIENT REGULAR MEETING OF JUNE 9TH,
[CALL TO ORDER]
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2022 AT 07:07 PM.WE'RE ACTUALLY RUNNING BEHIND FOR ONCE.
[NOISE] THE FIRST ITEM IS TO DO A ROLL CALL AND DETERMINATION OF QUORUM.
TONIGHT WE HAVE MYSELF RUSSELL WRIGHT, WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE] JANE, WE HAVE MARTIN FLETCHER, AND TODD [INAUDIBLE].
TONIGHT, MARTIN AND TODD WILL BOTH PICK [INAUDIBLE].
THE NEXT ITEM HERE WILL BE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> WE DIDN'T DO THAT WHEN I WAS IN GRADE SCHOOL.
>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE WAS TEXAS PLEDGE WHEN I WAS IN GRADE SCHOOL.
[INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]. THE NEXT THING WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA HERE IS OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
WE'VE GOT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS SEPARATE FOR THAT.
WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS WE WE'VE GOT A LETTER HERE.
>> OH, SAVE THAT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, SIR.
>> BUT IF WE DO HAVE ANY, I THINK WE HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD AS WELL.
>> HERE IS WHAT WE DO NOW SIR.
>> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING, I WAS READING.
THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT IS FROM TIM MARTIN AT 6905 AUDUBON.
>> MR. MARTIN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP HERE?
>> I HAVE A SMALL ISSUE. BASICALLY, I'M HERE REPRESENTING BURKE'S FARMS HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, OFF [INAUDIBLE] ROAD.
BASICALLY IN OUR COVENANTS WE HAVE THAT YOU NEED TO SCREEN YOUR POOL EQUIPMENT AND THE BLUE TRASH CANS AND RECYCLED BINS.
OF COURSE, IT'S HARD TO DO THAT WITH THE WAY THE HOUSES ARE POSITIONED AND SOME HOUSES, THERE'S NO WAY TO SCREEN IT.
BUT ANYWAY, QUESTION CAME UP, WELL, WHAT ABOUT LITTLE, SMALL WOODEN FENCES, TO CONSTRUCT SMALL WOODEN FENCES, YAY HIGH, JUST TALL ENOUGH TO COVER THE TRASH CANS AND FOR THE POOL EQUIPMENT AS WELL AS TRASH CANS.
BUT THEN WE REALIZED THERE WAS A CITY ORDINANCE THAT SAYS ON WOODEN FENCING, THEY CAN'T BE SOLID, THEY HAVE TO BE 50%.
WHICH DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF SCREENING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
WHAT WE WERE HOPING FOR AND ASKING FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE TO ALLOW FOR VARIANCE OR MAYBE PUT A COMMON THERE.
>> ARE YOU BUILDING A FENCE OR ARE YOU BUILDING A SCREEN?
>> NO. WOODEN FENCE STAND, SOLID WOODEN FENCE JUST LIKE [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE FENCE IS TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT.
I MEAN, KEEP SOMETHING IN OR OUT.
>> IF I MAY, THAT REQUIREMENT IS REALLY APPLICABLE ONLY TO PERIMETER FENCING NOT STRUCTURE INSIDE YOUR LOT?
>> YEAH. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE, IT SAYS.
WELL, MAYBE IT'S THE LANGUAGE WE ADDED THAT IT'S IN THE SIDE YARD OR BACKYARD AREA [INAUDIBLE].
WE ADDED LANGUAGE [LAUGHTER] TO CLARIFY IT'S REALLY JUST PERIMETER FENCING, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS WE ADD LANGUAGE OR WE REVISED THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR.
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THAT'S A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE DO.>> BASICALLY, PERIMETER IS WHAT YOUR REQUIREMENT IS AND INSIDE THAT, IT'S OKAY TO DO A SOLID WOOD FENCE.
>> I'M GOING TO GO TO DEFINITIONS HERE.
WHAT'S A SCREEN AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S A FENCE?
>> MY QUESTION WOULD BE, USUALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A FENCE, IT'S ABOUT A PERIMETER FENCE LIKE WE SAYING, WE'RE KEEPING SOMETHING IN OR OUT.
>> WHEN YOU HAVE A SCREEN, I MEAN, YOU COULD DO THAT WITH SOME [OVERLAPPING] POD BLOCKS.
>> YOU COULD DO IT WITH SOME BRICK, YOU CAN DO IT WITH SOME LATTICE WORK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> I THINK THAT YOU HAVE A LOT MORE LATITUDE WITH WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO DO FROM YOUR OWN HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, I THINK FOR SOME SCREENING, FOR SOMETHING THAT'S SMALL MORE LIKE THAT.
>> THERE IS ANOTHER TERM THAT WE ACTUALLY DID NOT CHANGE.
PRIVACY FENCES ARE RECOMMENDED AROUND THE SWIMMING POOL AREAS AND THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT OF HEIGHT OR CONSTRUCTION.
>> OH, OKAY. THAT'S GOING TO BE CLEAR IN THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> RIGHT. WELL, THAT LANGUAGES ALREADY THERE.
>> EVEN WITHOUT CHANGES THAT WE'VE BEEN MAKING, IN CURRENT POSE IT'S I THINK CLEAR ENOUGH.
YOU CAN SAY THAT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS PRIVATE FENCING.
IT'S REALLY A SCREEN NOT A PERIMETER FENCE.
>> YEAH. EXACTLY. NOT PERIMETER.
>> WE DON'T HAVE THAT RESTRICTION ON WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
>> IF ANYTHING, IT'S YOUR HOA PROBABLY THAT WOULD HAVE STRICTER RULES.
>> WE ALREADY ALLOW SHRUBS AND ANY KIND OF, BUT THEY TAKE SO LONG TO GROW.
SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASK ABOUT THE WOODEN FENCE, BUT WE SAY NO BECAUSE OF THE 50% RULE.
>> SEE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE DEALT WITH ON A VERY DETAILED BASIS IS REALLY THE DEFINITIONS OF WHAT THESE THINGS ARE.
THEN WHAT DOES IT REALLY MATTER [INAUDIBLE].
IF YOU HAVE A SCREEN OF SOME KIND, YOU'RE TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT [INAUDIBLE].
>> IF YOU HAVE A FULL FENCE, YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO KEEP YOUR DOG IN OR KEEP PEOPLE OUT, PRIVACY.
>> I DIDN'T WRITE THE COVENANTS, THE DEVELOPER DID, AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW THE COVENANTS, SO WE NEEDED SOME LEEWAY ON THAT.
ALL RIGHT. WELL, IT SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU.
>> WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
>> THAT TAKES US TO THE INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEMS.
[1. CONSIDERATION AND/OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION MEETING MINUTES FOR MARCH 10, 2022.]
THE FIRST ITEM ARE THE MEETING MINUTES FOR MARCH 10TH, 2022 AND ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION THEREOF.HAS EVERYBODY READ THOSE MINUTES? [BACKGROUND] MY ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT [INAUDIBLE].
>> IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT SAYS CONSIDERATION AND OR ANY APPROPRIATE ACTION ON A SPACE MISSION, [INAUDIBLE] MOTION FROM ANYONE?
>> THE MOTION HAS BEEN [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]
>> WE'VE GOT A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES WRITTEN FOR THAT MINOR CHANGE..THAT'S EASY ONE.
THE NEXT THING IS ON THE AGENDAS IN PUBLIC HEARING ON ZONING REGULATION REVISIONS.
[2. PUBLIC HEARING ON ZONING REGULATIONS REVISIONS. [CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 156: ZONING REGULATIONS]]
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CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 156 ON THE REGULATIONS.THEN FROM THERE, WE'LL DO CONSIDERATION DISCUSSION IN THE INDOOR APPROPRIATE ACTION INCLUDING POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL REGARDING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REVIEW OF PARKER ZONING REGULATIONS.
[NOISE] I GUESS THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET EVERYBODY PROVIDE THEIR INPUTS.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING [NOISE] AT 7:17.
THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE'VE GOT A LETTER FROM CATHERINE BOOTH 4010 ANTS LANE IN PARKER AND SHE HAS A FEW COMMENTS IN HERE.
THERE WAS FROM HER STATEMENT, SHE SAYS, WE SPENT A LOT OF GOLDEN HOURS OF THE LAST FEW YEARS DISCUSSING THE REVISIONS [LAUGHTER].
YEAH, WE SPENT A LOT OF HOURS.
THEN PER STATE STATUTES, THE SEQUENCE OF APPROVAL PUTS THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE UNDER LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 211.004A, ZONING REGULATIONS MUST BE ADOPTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT POINT EXISTS.
NOW THEY DISREGARD PROCEDURAL PARK AND LEAVE THE CITY WIDE OPEN ZONING REGULATIONS.
WITH THAT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT HERE ON THAT PARTICULAR PARAGRAPH AND THAT IS THAT I VIEW THIS IS WHAT WE WERE DOING, WE WERE CLEANING UP ZONING REGULATIONS, WE WEREN'T CREATING NEW ONES OR DELETING OTHER ONES, WE WERE TRYING TO JUST MAKE EVERYTHING CONSISTENT.
I GUESS MY QUESTION THAT I WOULD ASK AN ATTORNEY OR A JUDGE, OR SOMEONE IS, IS THAT CREATING SOMETHING BEFORE THE HORSE? BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAD A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE HAD THESE ZONING REGULATIONS AND BASICALLY WE WERE NOT SUBSTANTIVELY CHANGING THEM OR CREATING NEW ONES.
>> I WILL ADMIT THAT I HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO LOOK INTO THIS IN GREAT DETAIL.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE'RE CHANGING THE ZONING CODE, IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT UPDATING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WANTED TO GO INTO THAT AT THIS TIME THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ATTEMPTS AT THAT AT DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
>> TO GET A FIRM TO HELP WITH THAT AND I DON'T HAVE ANY RESPONSES BACK YET, SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE IS STILL ALL WAYS OUT AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU-ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A GREAT WHILE, LONG BEFORE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN WORKING ON IS THAT IT IS AT LEAST CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN THAT'S IN PLACE NOW.
>> YEAH, I MEAN, SEE THAT'S THE WAY I WAS VIEWING IT IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE IS SOMETHING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN IN PLACE AND WE'RE NOT SAYING CHANGE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THESE REGULATIONS AND EVERYTHING BEFORE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING STEP, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THINGS CLEANED UP SO THAT WHEN WE DO GET READY TO CHANGE THINGS THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO WORK WITH.
THEN THE SECOND THING SHE BRINGS UP IS UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE UNDER CONSIDERATION, THERE ARE SOME SECTIONS THAT SEEM INCONSISTENT WITH THAT AS WELL.
THAT WAS ONE OF OUR MAIN POINTS OF TRYING TO MAKE THINGS CONSISTENT.
ESPECIALLY TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN DEFINITION OF ACCESSORY USE, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THEIR ACCESSORY BUILDING AND SECTION IN ACCESSORY BUILDING CHANGES, EXCEPTIONS IN SIZE, SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS, BUILDING PERMANENT REQUIREMENTS, EXEMPTION COMPLIANCE WITH STANDARDS AND PRACTICE.
SHE SAYS, ESPECIALLY PERPLEXING IS PARAGRAPH P, STORAGE UNITS AND CONSTRUCTION CONTAINERS, THREE, NON TEMPORARY STORAGE UNITS, AND THEN B STORAGE SHEDS OF LESS THAN 200 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA ARE ALLOWED ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
NOT MORE THAN ONE PER ACRE WILL BE ALLOWED.
THE SHED MUST BE PLACED BEHIND THE REAR BUILDING LINE OF THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING AND ON A CORNER LOT NO CLOSER TO THE STREET AND THE MAIN ROAD.
BUILDING SETBACKS DO NOT APPLY TO STORAGE SHEDS AS DESCRIBED IN THE.
SHE SAYS, HOW IS A NON TEMPORARY STORAGE SHED DIFFERENT FROM ANY BUILDING WHICH REQUIRES A BUILDING PERMIT UNLESS REQUIRES SETBACK RULES.
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THE INFRINGEMENT ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES IS EXACTLY THE SAME WITH ANY STRUCTURE IS ALLOWED TO OCCUPY SPACE WITHIN THE SETBACK.PERSONALLY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT'S BEING SAID HERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT I UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, A SETBACK IS NOT ON YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY NECESSARILY.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR BUILDING LINES AND EVERYTHING ON YOUR SIDE SETBACKS AND REAR SETBACKS EVERYTHING AND THAT'S JUST WHERE YOU BUILD YOUR PRINCIPAL.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IN ALL THIS IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A STORAGE SHED, YOU'RE NOT RESTRICTED TO IT HAS TO BE WITHIN THOSE SETBACKS.
IT CAN BE PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE AS LONG AS IT'S BEHIND THE FRONT.
>> I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST WHERE WE REVIEWED THAT THE PAST IS, THOSE UNDER 200 SQUARE FEET ARE TYPICALLY PORTABLE, THEY'RE MOVABLE, EVEN IF THEY ARE ANCHORED IN THE GROUND, WHICH WE ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO ANCHOR THEM IN THE GROUND.
>> BUT EVEN IF YOU CAN UN-ANCHOR THOSE AND YOU CAN MOVE IT.
>> IN THAT CASE, WE DON'T MAKE THEM ADHERE TO SETBACKS.
>> IF THEY CITE LITTLE, IF THEY COVER WITH MORE CONCRETE AND BUILD BRICKS AND EVERYTHING UNDER 200 SQUARE FEET, WE STILL MAKE THEM FOR THOSE WITHIN THE SETBACKS.
>> WHAT IF YOU, I'M JUST THINKING THE REST OF YOU, YOU BUILD LITTLE CONCRETE PAD AND THEN YOU'D GET ONE OF THESE PRE-BUILT SHEDS OR SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE ANCHORED.
>> THAT WOULDN'T WORK WELL BECAUSE YOU CAN POUR CONCRETE IN YOUR OWN PROPERTY AND YOU CAN PUT A PORTABLE BUILDING.
>> ON THAT CONCRETE IF YOU WANT TO.
>> EVEN THOUGH YOU PULLED IT IN IT STILL.
>> THAT'S STILL IF YOU CAN UNBOLT IT AND MOVE IT.
>> A BRICK STRUCTURE, YOU CANNOT UNBOLT IT AND MOVE IT, IT'S THERE.
>> SO THOSE STORAGE SHEDS WHERE PEOPLE STORE THEIR LAWN EQUIPMENT, THAT'S.
>> THAT'S FOR YOUR LAWN EQUIPMENT.
>> THOSE DO NOT NEED TO COMPLY WITH.
>> THE LAWN IS A 200 FEET. YEAH.
>> YOU'RE SAYING WHY DOES IT NOT COMPLY, ALL RIGHT, IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK?
>> WELL, I MEAN, IT SAYS THE THING IS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, IT SAYS THE INFRINGEMENT ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS EXACTLY THE SAME WHEN ANY STRUCTURE IS ALLOWED TO OCCUPY SPACE WITHIN THE SETBACK.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT INFRINGEMENT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, DOES ANYONE?
>> THE PROPERTY IS NOT INFRINGED.
>> YEAH. I MEAN, IF IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY IT'S NOT INFRINGING.
WE PROBABLY NEED A LITTLE BIT OF EXPLANATION FROM HER ON WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO SAY HERE BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
BUT SHE ALSO BRINGS UP THIS CITY OF LAREDO VERSUS THE RIO GRANDE AGED 20, 30 YEARS.
>> I THINK THAT'S THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
>> RIGHT, THAT'S THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE BUT AGAIN, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND YOU HAVE THE ZONING ORDINANCES AND ALL YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS CLEAN THEM UP, THAT'S NOT PUTTING CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
>> THAT'S SUBSTANCE OVER FORM, THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
>> RIGHT, SO I MEAN, IF YOU WERE REWRITING THEM COMPLETELY THAT BEING RIGHT.
>> EVERYTHING IS STILL CONSISTENT.
>>RIGHT, BUT OUR WHOLE INTENT BEHIND THIS WAS TO MAKE THESE CHANGES SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME AND SAY WHAT'S PERMANENT, WHAT'S NOT PERMANENT AND SO.
>> WHAT IS ACCESSORY BUILDING, ACCESSORY WIELDING, ACCESSORY.
>> I THINK DIFFERENT TERMS. I'M NOT SURE OF THE ACTION WE SHOULD TAKE ON THIS.
IS THE ACTION FOR SOMEONE TO ACTUALLY GET BACK TO [INAUDIBLE] OR YOU CAN ASK HER [INAUDIBLE]
>> AT THIS POINT, IT'S A PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE'VE NOTED IT, AND YOU'VE ITEMIZED SOME OF THE ISSUES YOU RAISED.
WE'LL ADD THAT INTO THE MINUTES AND IT WILL BE AN EXHIBIT TO THE MINUTES.
BEFORE WE GO AS WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND.
>> WITH THAT, WE STILL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO STAND UP AND TALK ABOUT THESE? IF THERE'S NOBODY ELSE, THEN I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
[NOISE] PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AT 7:26.
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BUT NOW WE HAVE SOME CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION, AND ACTION TO TAKE, INCLUDING RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNSEL.REMEMBER, FOR EVERYONE THAT'S NEW ON HERE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT THIS BODY IS NOT AN APPROVAL BODY, IT'S A RECOMMENDERS BODY.
WHENEVER WE MAKE MOTIONS, WE USUALLY MAKE MOTIONS IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDING FOR APPROVAL TO THE COUNSEL.
I GUESS THE QUESTION HERE IS, AND ALL OF THIS STUFF THAT WE HAVE, AGAIN, ALL OF THESE UPDATES THAT WE MADE AND THEN WE HAVE WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO BE HAPPY THAT WE PROVIDED TO THE COUNSEL.
>> I THINK THIS IS THE ORIGINAL WE PROVIDED RIGHT NOW.
>> IT'S CLOSE TO THE VERSION YOU PROVIDED THE COUNSEL.
I KNOW THIS IS LONG BEFORE I JOINED THE CITY AND THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF A RED LINE OF THESE CODES.
WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT COMES BACK TO P&Z'S ORIGINAL INTENT OF MOST OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY P&Z ARE IN THERE.
A FEW THINGS HAVE BEEN CHANGED SINCE THAT TIME, AS IT IS NOW BACK FOR CONSIDERATION BEFORE P&Z IS A RECOMMENDING BODY, INCLUDING THERE WERE SEVERAL DEFINITIONS THAT HAD NOT BEEN MOVED UP TO THE DEFINITION SECTION AND SO WE TOOK THOSE AND MOVED THEM UP.
SO NOW INSTEAD OF HAVING THE DEFINITION SECTION, BUT THEN YOU GET 75 PERCENT OF THE WAY THROUGH THE CODE AND THERE'S A NEW DEFINITION, [OVERLAPPING] WE MOVED ALL OF THOSE UP SO THAT WHEN YOU GET DOWN IN THERE THERE'S[OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU JUST CREATE ANY NEW DEFINITIONS.
YOU JUST PULL THEM FROM THE BODY OF WORK.
>> SOME OF THE ONES, I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS AGRICULTURE.
IT WAS ACTUALLY DEFINED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES, EVEN IN THE VERSION THAT WE HAD FROM YOU-ALL.
WE TOOK THE COMPREHENSIVE ONE AND MADE THAT THE DEFINITION FOR BOTH.
>> THEN JUST HAVE IT IN THE ONE SPOT THERE AT THE BEGINNING AND THEN YOU JUST REFERENCE THE TERM LATER IN THE DOCUMENT.
>> BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE HAVE, AT A MEETING LIKE THIS, WE DON'T WANT TO [LAUGHTER] TRY AND GO THROUGH ALL OF THE DISCUSSION.
>> YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO.
>> YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS. WE'VE GOT TILL 2:00 IN THE MORNING.
>> IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, GARY AND I, [BACKGROUND] ARE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ASSIST WITH WHAT WE CAN.
SOME OF THESE CHANGES, CERTAINLY WERE NOT PROMPTED BY STAFF, THEY WERE PROMPTED BY P&Z MEMBERS AND THEY MAY HAVE BEEN PROMPTED BY PRIOR P&Z MEMBERS.
SO WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY HERE TO ANSWER THOSE THAT WE CAN.
>> I'M JUST EXCITED THAT WE FINALLY GOT PEOPLE USING MARKUP.
>> AMEN. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES WE WERE RUNNING AROUND NOT BEING ABLE TO DO THE MARKUP CORRECTLY.
WE'VE GOT THE RED AND WE GOT THE BLUE.
>> I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHO IS IN THE BLUE AND WHO IS IN THE RED.
>> YES, THE OTHER COLOR IS ME.
>> THIS WAS REALLY MAD THE P&Z HAD TRIP.
>> MINE IS BASED ON INTENT THAT I TOOK FROM YOU ALL.
>> AND REDUCING POTENTIAL LABOR.
>> TRY TO REDUCE MARKUP ON WORK.
>> YES SIR, I KNOW HOW TO USE TRACK CHANGES.
>> I [OVERLAPPING] PERSONALLY FIND THEM VERY HELPFUL.
>> THAT'S ALREADY DONE, RIGHT?
>> AT NO POINT ARE WE TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING AND SO [OVERLAPPING] THERE IS, IT IS THERE AND IT IS PUBLIC, WE MIGHT CALL A COMMENT HERE AND AFTER IT LEAVES P&Z IT WILL GO TO COUNSEL AND THERE'LL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING FOR COUNSEL WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN FILM AND AGAIN, THE RED LINE WILL BE THERE AND THEY CAN PRESENT ANY COMMENTS.
THEY MAY HAVE IT THAT TIME IF [NOISE] THEY WERE UNABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
>>YEAH AND WE DID AT A [INAUDIBLE]
>> YES. [OVERLAPPING] AND SHE SAID, I REMEMBER IT, THAT'S RIGHT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE SPENT [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT WAS GOOD. I WAS TAKING A PICTURE ON SOME OF THOSE LINES YOU WENT THROUGH.
>> PROCEDURALLY WHERE WE ARE JUST FOR CONVENIENCE, I GUESS I'LL EXPLAIN IS THAT WE'VE HAD THE PUBLIC AREA NOW
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BEFORE P&Z AND IT'S UP TO YOU AS A BODY TO DELIBERATE ON IT.ASK US QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO CONSIDER OR CHANGE ABOUT THE DROP-INS IN FRONT OF YOU. WE CAN DO THAT.
IF WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS TONIGHT, YOU CAN CERTAINLY POSTPONE THIS ITEM AND WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO YOU AS A BODY WITH WHATEVER CHANGES YOU REQUEST THAT EITHER MYSELF, GARY OR OTHER [INAUDIBLE] LOOK AT.
IF YOU ARE WANTING TO DO THAT, WE WILL BRING IT BACK AT THAT TIME.
THE PLAN THAT THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY.
>> PD. TELL US ALL THE REASON THAT WAS BROUGHT BACK IN AGAIN.
>> THE REASON I WAS BROUGHT BACK IN WAS TO PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO THE CITY.
IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY USED TO HAVE AND WAS REMOVED.
I WILL ADMIT I DON'T KNOW THE REASONING BEHIND ITS REMOVAL, BUT FOR MULTIPLE REASONS, WE THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO PROVIDE FOR THE CITY TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY.
THE SECTION ITSELF HOLDS OUT THAT UNLESS IT IS SPECIFICALLY ALTERED BY EITHER THE PD SECTION THAT IS IN THIS OR IN THE PD TO BE APPROVED, THE DEFAULT ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY IN OUR CODE.
>> BECAUSE WE DIDN'T REALLY FEEL THAT YOU AND I ARE CORRECT, YOU'RE RIGHT.
I MEAN IT MAKES SENSE, IT MAKES A LOT SENSE.
>> SINCE THE [INAUDIBLE] ALREADY IN THE CODE.
THIS WOULD BE MY DEFINITION ON SUBSTITUTE OF CHANGE.
>> IT'S A SUBSTITUTE OF CHANGE TO THAT IT ALLOWS A NEW ZONING OR AN OLD ZONING DISTRICT IT'S NEW. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
BUT THE DEFAULT PROVISIONS OF THAT NEW ZONING CODE OR WHAT'S IN THE CODE UNLESS IT'S SPECIFICALLY CHANGED.
>> AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE PROBABLY HAD THAT PD GOING IN CLASSIFICATION IN THERE.
I WONDER WHEN IT WAS TAKEN OUT.
>> YES, IT WAS AROUND 2000 AND IT'S UNDERSTANDING FROM STAFF THAT GIVEN SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED OR WHATEVER, A ZONING CLASSIFICATION LIKE THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL BENEFIT TO THE CITY BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE GIVEN TAKE THAT MAYBE ALLOWED UNDER A PD IF APPROVED
>> I HAVE TO SAY THAT I'M VERY GLAD YOU DID SOME SIMPLE THINGS LIKE PUT ALL THE DEFINITIONS UP FRONT BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD NORMALLY DO AND I THINK I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY WE DIDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE OF REGION [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WILL TELL [INAUDIBLE] SO SICK OF IT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WILL SAY, SIR, THAT YOU CAUGHT THE LION'S SHARE.
I THINK THERE WERE THREE MAYBE JUST TWO THAT WERE NOT MOVED UP BY P&Z AND THEY WERE VERY LATE IN THE DOCUMENT.
>> ME BEING NUMBERED 17 OUT THE MONTH.
>> I GUESS JUST PUTTING THEM BACK TO PROCEDURES.
WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT WITH YOU BRING IT BACK IF YOU'VE GOT THEM IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT P&Z IS GOOD WITH THIS YOU CAN MOVE TO RECOMMENDED, IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD TAKE THIS WORD, WE WOULD HAVE TO SET IT FOR HEARING AND DO THE NOTES IN THE PAPER, SO IT WOULD STILL BE ALL THE NOTICE PROVISIONS BEFORE YOU GO TO COUNCIL WITHIN THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP THAT WE WOULD GO AND HELP THEM WITH THEIR CONSIDERATION.
>> MY RECOMMENDATION FOR US WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND WOULD BE [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE]
>> I MEAN, IF THERE ARE SOME MINOR CHANGES WE COULD STILL. [OVERLAPPING].
>> COUNCIL CAN MAKE ANY CHANGE.
>> COUNCIL CAN STILL MAKE CHANGES.
>> I THINK THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.
>> AND COUNCIL CAN TECHNICALLY MAKE CHANGES WITHOUT IT COMING BACK HERE.
BUT COUNCIL NEEDS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU ON WHAT YOUR VERSION IS BEFORE THEY CAN TAKE ACTION ON IT.
THAT'S WHY IF YOU ALL GOT CHANGES OR WHATEVER [OVERLAPPING].
>> THIS IS WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE DOING?
>> I GUESS BUT MAYBE NOT IN A FORMAL SENSE.
>> NO. I MEAN, BECAUSE I THINK ORIGINALLY, AND AS TOM POINTED OUT, IT WAS MORE ABOUT WHAT IS THE PROCESS? TRYING TO GET THE PROCESS DOWN.
FOR NOW, WE HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO'S LITTLE [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING].
>> YOUNG MEN FROM NEIGHBORING UNIVERSITY.
I APOLOGIZE. I ALMOST FORGOT THIS.
WE DID LEARN FROM THE TIME THAT THIS WAS PUBLISHED THAT WELL BACK BEFORE US.
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BARACK IS SPELLED WITH ONE R, NOT TWO.WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND TAKEN OUT THAT SECOND R [BACKGROUND].
BUT NOW, YOUR MOTION WOULD STILL NEED TO BE AS YOU WOULD MOVE TO RECOMMENDATION OF THIS AS AMENDED, [LAUGHTER] NO THE DELETION OF THE R. [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] I APOLOGIZE THAT I ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT THAT THAT CAME IN LATE AND WE HAVE MADE THAT CHANGE TO THE VERSION THAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT WAS TOO LATE TO POST ON WEBSITES SO I APOLOGIZE.
THERE'S BEEN ONE CHANGE THAT HAS BEEN MADE SINCE THE COPY YOU HAVE.
>> SHE'S PROBABLY THE BEST TO QUIT, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THIS MOTION.
>> I AM SO EAGER TO MOVE THIS ALONG.
>> PLEASE DON'T LET US INTERRUPT YOU [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND BE PUBLISHED.
CHANGES TO THE ZONING CODE WITH THE CORE AMENDMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AND [BACKGROUND] APPROVAL.
>> YOU WORKED OUT ALONE WOULD YOU WANT A SECOND?
>> I ACTUALLY SAID SO WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY WINDOWS STANDING, ALL IN FAVOR? [LAUGHTER] SO THAT'S [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE GET BACK TO REALITY HERE.
THAT WAS CONSIDERATIONS, DISCUSSION THAT WERE APPROPRIATE ACTION INCLUDING POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION, EVENTUALLY BECAME REALITY.
WITH THAT WOULD THAT NUMBER 2 CHECKED OFF THE AGENDA.
[ROUTINE ITEMS]
WE CAN BE ROUTINE OR ROUTINE.GARY, DO YOU HAVE ANY ROUTINE ITEMS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO RUN BY THIS BODY?
>> WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF SUBDIVISIONS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THEY'RE STILL WAYS AWAY FROM BEING READY TO COME BACK OR BUTTERFLY.
>> CAN ANYBODY RUN THEIR EQUIPMENT WITH THE PRICE OF DIESEL NOWADAYS? [OVERLAPPING].
>> THEY CAN BARELY AFFORD RIGHT NOW.
>> I KNOW. I ALMOST FORGOT TO PUT MORE GAS IN MY WARD EQUIPMENT THAN I DO IN MY CAR AND IT HURTS.
FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, ANYTHING? NOTHING IN THE FUTURE EXCEPT FOR THIS GOING TO COUNCIL OPEN.
ANYBODY HERE HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY THINK THE STEAM BODY COULD LOOK AT AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
THEN IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYONE, WE'LL PROBABLY JUST ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 7: 40.
[NOISE]
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.