Oct 19, 2021 City Council

[CALL TO ORDER]

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WE'LL HEREBY CALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF THE CITY OF PARKER TO ORDER IT IS OCTOBER 19, 2021 AT 7 PM.

AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK MR. OLSON DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? YES, MADAM MAYOR. YOU DO OK.

AND I WILL ASK MR. MACDUFF IF YOU WILL LEAD US IN THE AMERICAN PLEDGE AND MS. ABRAHAM IF YOU WOULD LEAVE IT IN THE TEXAS PLEDGE.

THANK YOU. AND AT THIS TIME, I HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM SHARON MACDUFF.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

SO THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH TALK IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS ABOUT OUR NEW BUILDING, ET CETERA, AND ONE OF MY QUESTIONS HAS BEEN DO WE KEEP TRACK ALONG WITH OUR MINUTES OF EACH COUNCIL MEETING WITH THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES THAT WE HAVE AT THE MEETING SO WE COULD LOOK BACK AND HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT OUR NEEDS ACTUALLY ARE FOR A COUNCIL.

YES, NO? OK, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RESPOND TO THAT.

BUT I'LL FIND OUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME? YES. OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OK, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? OK, NOT HEARING ANY.

WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO ITEMS OF INTEREST.

[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]

WAS THAT CANCELED OR? YES, I CANCELED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING.

BECAUSE OF THE VOTING, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM OR TABLES TO MOVE FORWARD.

OH, OK.

OK, THEN THE OCTOBER 20TH 2021 COMP PLAN MEETING IS CANCELED.

PARKS AND RECREATION'S NEXT MEETING IS NOVEMBER 10TH AT 6 P.M.

IT WILL BE HERE.

AS I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS NOTED--THANK YOU, MA'AM--EARLY VOTING HAS STARTED.

I'VE BEEN ASKED TO ANNOUNCE TO EVERYONE.

PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH THE VOTING MACHINES OR ANY OF THE EQUIPMENT OR STUFF.

WE GOT TO BE VERY GOOD OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO USE THE ROOM WHEN THERE'S VOTING EQUIPMENT IN HERE.

THIS SATURDAY WILL BE THE PRESCRIPTION TAKE BACK EVENT AS WELL AS THE HAZARDOUS WASTE DISPOSAL. MOST THINGS ARE IN THE PARKING LOT OF CITY HALL, WHERE YOU CAN COME AND DROP OFF YOUR DISCARDED DRUGS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

YOU CAN ALSO DROP OFF YOUR HOME HAZARDOUS WASTE ITEMS WITH RICK BERNAS AND THE GUYS THAT WILL BE HERE FOR THAT.

AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, THE WOMEN'S CLUB IS HOLDING A FOOD DRIVE.

SO IF YOU HAVE CANS OF FOOD, DRY FOOD, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO BRING IT AND DROP IT OFF WITH THEM. ON SUNDAY, PARKER FEST WILL HAPPEN FROM THREE TO SIX P.M.

AND THE PRESERVE, AND THEY WILL ALSO BE HAVING A FOOD DRIVE AS WELL.

OK. I THINK THAT'S ALL OF THE ITEMS AT THIS TIME.

MR. STANDRIDGE I'M GOING TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS? [INAUDIBLE] TWIST MY ARM, I HATE TO TALK.

ED STANDRIDGE 3607 HOGGE DRIVE PARKER, TEXAS 75002-6733.

I JUST ATTENDED THE MURPHY CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND IT WAS INTERESTING.

WE HAD ABOUT SIX PEOPLE GET UP AND TALK ON BEHALF OF NOT APPROVING THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT SYSTEM.

PRIOR TO THAT, THE MAYOR, MAYOR BRADLEY, SPOKE ON HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE TAKE

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THERE'S LEGISLATION OUT THERE THAT MAY CREATE A PROBLEM FOR US TO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

HE MUST KNOW SOMETHING I DON'T OBVIOUSLY DOES.

BUT IN REALITY, MY COMPLIMENTS TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE MAYOR WERE WELL TAKEN.

THE CITY ATTORNEY CAME OUT AND MET WITH ME AFTERWARDS TO THANK ME FOR COMING UP AND SHOWING SUPPORT FROM THE CITY OF PARKER TO MURPHY CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OK, AT THIS TIME, THEN WE WILL MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE SENATE AS IT'S PRESENTED.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO PRESENT THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE MEETING MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 21ST MEETING MINUTES OF OCTOBER 4TH AND ANY CONSIDERATION OR APPROPRIATE ACTIONS ON ACCEPTING A PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION RESIGNATION, WHICH IS [INAUDIBLE] . IS THERE--I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

OK. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SLAUGHTER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER REID TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANYONE OPPOSED? OK, MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEMS, WHICH IS NUMBER FOUR:

[4. CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION, AND POTENTIAL ACTION REGARDING THE FOLLOWING MATTER: REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) FOR BANK DEPOSITORY SERVICES TO BE ADVERTISED. ]

OK, GRANT, YOU WANT TOUCH ON THAT? YES. SO OUR CURRENT CONTRACT WITH AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK WILL EXPIRE ON 12/31 OF THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO GET THIS RFP OUT AND ADVERTISE STARTING TOMORROW.

CAN YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT, GRANT? SURE. SO WITH THE CURRENT DEPOSITORY CONTRACT EXPIRING AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING TO ADVERTISE FOR THE RFP FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

IF YOU'RE OK WITH THIS RFP GOING OUT, WE'LL SEND IT OUT TOMORROW AND WE'RE GOING TO ADVERTISE THAT ON OUR CITY'S WEBSITE, AND I'M GOING TO PUSH THAT OUT TO ALL THE LOCAL BANKS THAT ARE WITHIN A 5-10 MILE RADIUS.

THERE'S NO NEED TO REALLY ADVERTISE THIS IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS BECAUSE IN THE RFP, WE'VE REQUESTED THAT ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE THAT THE BANK HAVE A BRANCH IN COLLIN COUNTY, SO THERE'S NO REASON TO ADVERTISE IT IN THE PAPER AND WASTE MONEY THERE.

KIND OF THE TIME SCHEDULE WE'RE LOOKING AT WOULD BE START ADVERTISING TOMORROW, NOVEMBER THE 10TH WOULD BE THE DEADLINE FOR SUBMITTING QUESTIONS.

NOVEMBER 12TH WOULD BE THE ESTIMATED CITY RESPONSE TIME TO THOSE QUESTIONS AND THEN CLOSING TIME OF NOVEMBER 30TH AT THREE O'CLOCK AND THEN TAKE THAT BACK TO COUNCIL ON 12/7 TO APPROVE AN AWARD.

SO HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE HAVE GONE OUT FOR A DEPOSITORY SERVICE, SO IT WILL BE SIX YEARS NOW? YES.

AND THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE THE WAY THAT THIS RFP IS WRITTEN, IT WOULD BE FOR A THREE YEAR CONTRACT WITH TWO ONE YEAR EXTENSIONS.

ARE THOSE ONE YEAR EXTENSIONS SET UP THAT AT THE END OF THE THIRD YEAR, YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT YEAR FOR ONE YEAR AND YOU DO ONE EXTENSION AND THE SAME THING FOR THE FOR THE FOLLOWING ONE YEAR EXTENSION.

YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OK. HEARING NONE.

THEN I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION.

MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE RFP THAT WAS PRESENTED BY GRANT FOR POSTING FOR BANK DEPOSITORY SERVICES TO BE ADVERTISED.

OK. ARE WE JUST ACCEPTING THE MOTION OR ARE GOING OUT OR ARE WE SAYING TO GO OUT?

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MOTION TO GO OUT AND ADVERTISE FOR BIDS, WAS THAT THE QUESTION? YEAH. YES, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD IN THE MOTION.

OK, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THE MOTION CORRECTLY.

OK. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SLAUGHTER TO GO OUT FOR THE RFP FOR DEPOSITORY SERVICES. IS THERE A SECOND? MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO SECOND.

OK. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE ON GOING OUT FOR AN RFP FOR DEPOSITORY SERVICES.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY OPPOSED? 5-0.

IT IS PASSED. THANK Y'ALL.

OKAY. ITEM FIVE CONSIDERATION AND OR ACTION ON AUTHORIZING THE

[5. CONSIDERATION AND ACTION ON AUTHORIZING THE CITY ENGINEER TO PERFORM ENGINEERING SERVICES ON CERTAIN CITY STREETS AND PROVIDE ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COSTS. ]

MR. BIRKHOFF.

I SEE THAT YOU'RE HERE.

CAN YOU COMMENT ON THIS FOR US, PLEASE? JOHN BIRKHOFF WITH BIRKHOFF HENDRICKS AND CARTER OF DALLAS, TEXAS.

THE CITY ASKED US TO PREPARE A COST PROPOSAL TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT CERTAIN STREETS AND COME UP WITH SOME OPINIONS OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION.

SO THESE THESE STREETS ALL STARTED WITH STREET SURVEY THAT WAS COMPLETED AND RANKED, AND WE CAME BACK AND THERE WERE NINE STREETS THAT WERE SCORED BETWEEN 35 AND 45.

AND SO YOU HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD STREETS AND YOU HAVE SOME THAT ARE JUST REALLY BAD.

SO THESE ARE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE GROUP.

THESE ARE ASPHALT STREETS.

AND THE QUESTION COMES HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE WHICH ONES NEED TO GO FIRST? SO THERE'S A GROUP, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BUNCH OF 40S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN OUTLIER 35 AND 45. AND SO WHAT ARE THE COSTS TO RECONSTRUCT THESE STREETS? SO WE NEED TO GO BACK OUT AND TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THE STREETS AND SAY, OK, ARE THESE STREETS IN A CONDITION THAT WE NEED TO GO OUT AND REMIX THE MATERIALS THAT ARE OUT THERE, MIX IT WITH CEMENT, TRY TO GET A BETTER BASE AND OVERLAY WITH HOT MIX.

CAN WE DO SOME, YOU KNOW, SPOT REPAIRS AND DO ASPHALT OVERLAY? WE HAVE BEEN IN THE LAST FEW CYCLES USING FIBERGLASS MATERIAL TO HELP EXTEND THE LIFE OF THESE. SO AS WE DO AN OVERLAY OR WE DO A RECONSTRUCTION, WE CAN GET A LONGER LIFE OUT OF THEM. MOST OF THESE STREETS THAT ARE ON THE LIST ARE RESIDENTIAL TYPE STREETS.

YOU KNOW, MOST RESIDENTIAL STREETS ARE WORN OUT BY THE TIME THE LAST HOUSE IS BUILT.

AND YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THAT FROM HOW CAN THAT BE? AND YOU KNOW, WE BRING IN THE CONCRETE TRUCKS, WE BRING IN THE LUMBER TRUCKS, WE BRING IN THE SHINGLE TRUCKS, THE LANDSCAPE TRUCKS.

YOU KNOW, WE WEAR THE PAVEMENT OUT AND THEN WE MOVE IN AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, OUR CARS ARE LIGHTWEIGHT PICKUP TRUCKS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T CAUSE THAT MUCH DAMAGE, YOU KNOW, IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. SO ONCE THAT SUBDIVISION IS IN, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY SEE THE GARBAGE TRUCKS, SCHOOL BUSSES OR WHAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, GETS TO THE ROADS.

IN PARKER, MOST OF THE STREETS ARE OPEN.

DITCH MOST OF THE ASPHALT.

I THINK ALL ON THIS LIST ARE OPEN DITCH.

SO IF WE DON'T HAVE PROPER DRAINAGE AND WATER STAGNATES, IT GETS THE SUB GRADE WET AND THERE'S ANOTHER CAUSE FOR PREMATURE FAILURE OF THE ROADWAYS.

WHETHER WE SEE DEPRESSIONS, POTHOLES.

AND SO PART OF THIS IS TO ALSO TAKE A CURSORY LOOK AT DRAINAGE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, ARE THE CULVERTS, YOU KNOW, SILT IT UP HALFWAY, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOME TYPE OF DECENT GRADE THAT YOU CAN GO IN AND CLEAN THESE DITCHES OUT AS PART OF THE ROADWAY PROJECT.

AS WE GET INTO CLEANING DITCHES, IT HAS BECOME, YOU KNOW, MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO DO THAT COST EFFECTIVELY.

YOU KNOW, TODAY YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO IN AND EXCAVATE.

YOU'VE GOT TO PUT EROSION CONTROL IN.

YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO PUT SOLID SOD BACK IN.

I MEAN, YOU CAN TRY TO SEED IT, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, PROTECT THE WATERS OF THE U.S. SO THERE'S COST.

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AND THEN YOU ALL CAN THEN HAVE THE OPINION OF COST OF WHAT WE THINK IT WILL TAKE.

AND THEN YOU ALL CAN PRIORITIZE IT AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHICH STREETS NEED TO GO FIRST, SECOND, THIRD AND SO ON.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS.

THE COST ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW FOR THIS SERVICE IS SEVEN THOUSAND, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. OK. AND IN THAT THERE'S IT'S ONLY A VISUAL OBSERVATION BY YOUR ENGINEERS.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT VISUALLY.

IS THERE ANYTHING MORE IN DEPTH THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS? IT'S REALLY A VISUAL TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW THE PAVEMENT HAS FAILED AND HOW CAN WE COME BACK AND RECONSTRUCT OR OVERLAY TO EXTEND THE LIFE? YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT GOING IN AND RECONSTRUCTING, YOU KNOW, TAKING THE WHOLE STREET OUT AND PUTTING CONCRETE IN.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT DOING A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FLEXIBLE BASE.

WE'RE TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, LEAST IMPACT ON THE CITIZENS TO GO IN AND REBUILD THE ROAD AND GET, YOU KNOW, A LIFE OF 8 TO 10 YEARS OUT OF IT.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS IT SAYS SERVICES DO NOT INCLUDE ANALYSIS OF THE DRAINAGE DRAINAGE BASIN OR DETERMINATION OF STORM FREQUENCY THE ROADWAY DITCHES CAN CONVEY.

NO GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATION IS INCLUDED, AS ONLY VISUAL OBSERVATION WILL BE MADE.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO COME UP WITH WHAT SEEMS TO BE A DETAILED ASSESSMENT AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED FOR A COST? WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, WE KNOW THE LENGTHS OF THE ROAD AND HERE WE'RE GOING TO GO AND GET THE WIDTHS. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO CALCULATE QUANTITIES TO GO IN TO THE ASPHALT OVERLAY, WHAT THE COST WOULD BE IF THE ROAD IS REALLY BROKEN UP TO REMIX IT WITH CEMENT AND PUT ASPHALT BACK IN AND BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, CLEAN THE DITCHES OUT.

YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO GO INTO A TOTAL REDESIGN OF THE ROAD, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SCOPE THAN WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO.

BUT DO YOU THINK THAT SOME OF THESE PARTICULAR ROADS, SOME OF THE OLDER ROADS, THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE MORE THAN A VISUAL OBSERVATION TO COME UP WITH A BETTER ASSESSMENT ON THAT BECAUSE--YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF GOES BACK, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. SO UP TO THIS POINT IN TIME IN PARKER, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT INTO THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND WHEN THEY WERE OVERLAID.

MORE RECENTLY, WE'VE GONE IN AND WE HAVE REMIXED AND THEN PUT MIX ON TOP OF IT, TRYING TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THOSE PAVEMENTS.

YOU REALLY WANT TO GO IN AND SAY, OK, WE WANT TO RECONSTRUCT THESE PAVEMENTS AND HAVE A CRITERIA THAT YOU WANT TO MEET, THEN YOU KNOW YOU WOULD GO IN AND DO GEOTECHNICAL WORK, SEE WHAT THE SOILS ARE.

AND THEN WE DO SOME, SOME TRAFFIC COUNTS AND THEN DESIGN A PAVEMENT.

AND IF YOU WANTED A 20 YEAR PAVEMENT, YOU KNOW YOU WILL SEE A VERY DIFFERENT COST.

I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS I JUST DON'T WANT TO SPEND $7000 FOR A TEAM OF FIVE, SIX, TEN, WHATEVER, HOWEVER MANY YOU HAVE JUST TO COME OUT THERE AND LOOK AT IT AND TELL US WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW IN A SENSE, RIGHT? WE KNOW, LIKE BECAUSE WE LIVE ON THESE ROADS, A LOT OF THESE ROADS HAVE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES. I MEAN, I LIVE ON THE CURTIS LANE EAST FROM DELAHAYE TO SOUTH RIDGE.

I MEAN THAT ROAD AND I THINK I'VE TOLD GARY A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST PATCHED OVER AND PATCHED OVER AND PATCHED OVER.

AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT COMING ON THE SIDE OF IT.

I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT MORE CAN WE GET FOR THE SEVEN THOUSAND WHICH I'M RESPECTING YOUR FEES, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IS THAT REALLY, DO WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TO ACTUALLY GIVE US A BETTER OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE ACTUAL PROBLEM IS INSTEAD OF JUST LOOKING AT IT AND JUST TRYING TO PATCH IT UP? I MEAN, I THINK GARY ALREADY KNOWS THAT.

AND SO, YEAH, SO THIS IS NOT GOING IN AND JUST PATCHING THE ROAD.

YOU KNOW, WE DID THAT ON DUBLIN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH SOME PROCESSES OF OVERLAYING MIXING.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE JUST KEEP, YOU KNOW, PUTTING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD NOW TO TRY TO KEEP THE ROAD PASSABLE.

ON THESE STREETS THAT ARE MORE RESIDENTIAL WITH LESS TRAFFIC.

YOU KNOW, BASED ON EXPERIENCE OF WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE, OF THE CEMENT MIXING TO RECONSTRUCT THE BASE AND ASPHALT IS WHAT THIS IS BASED ON.

AND YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT $7000 IS TO GO THROUGH THE COST ESTIMATING PROCESS.

AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO DO MORE THAN WE CAN GO BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO DO THE GEO-TECH AND THEN COME BACK AND DO A TOTAL RECONSTRUCT THE WHETHER YOU WANT TO HAVE

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MOST OF THESE ARE FLEXIBLE PAVEMENT, WHICH HAVE CRUSHED STONE UNDERNEATH AND ASPHALT ON TOP. AND SO WE WE CAN GO THROUGH THE CALCULATIONS AND DESIGN THE PAVEMENT, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SOILS.

SO YOU WOULD GO OUT AND ON THESE ROADS, YOU PROBABLY DO ABOUT THREE SOIL BORINGS EACH AND THEN GO THROUGH A PAVEMENT DESIGN.

ONCE YOU GET THAT, THEN YOU WOULD GO THROUGH ALL THE SAME ESTIMATING.

AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THAT EXPENSE, THEN YOU REALLY DO NEED TO GO IN AND LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE BASIN, CALCULATE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S COMING INTO THESE STREETS.

AND THEN WE'LL NEED TO FIGURE OUT, DO YOU WANT TO DESIGN FOR THE 100 YEAR STORM, THE 50 YEAR STORM OR THE 25.

WHEN WE DID MOSS RIDGE, THAT SMALL SECTION THAT WE DID IS NOT EVEN THE TWO YEAR STORM.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE HUNDRED YEAR STORM, IT WAS TAKING THE DITCH ALMOST TO THE FRONT PORCHES OF THE HOUSES TO CARRY THAT QUANTITY OF FLOW SO WE CAN GET IN MORE DEPTH OF WHAT YOU WANT. BUT I NEED TO KNOW THAT AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK ACCORDINGLY.

QUITE HONESTLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WE'RE PAYING--ALL DUE RESPECT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND--THEY'RE PAYING $7000 FOR YOU TO COME UP WITH ESTIMATES TO FIX THESE STREETS. BUT SINCE YOU'RE NOT GOING ANY FARTHER, WE DON'T KNOW IF THE FIXES ARE NECESSARILY GOING TO HOLD FOR ANY PERIOD OF TIME.

BUT THEN I ALSO HAVE THE CONFUSION, BECAUSE IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU JUST GAVE YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE GOING TO LOOK AT THE TO SEE THE REASON FOR FAILURE IF IT WAS DRAINAGE GETTING TO THE SUB BASE, BUT THIS SAYS YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANY DRAINAGE.

SO IF THAT'S THE ISSUE AND YOU GIVE US A PRICE TO, I DON'T KNOW, AN ESTIMATE, I KNOW THAT'S ALL YOU'RE DOING AND Y'ALL AREN'T ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK, BUT SAY THE LEWIS LANE NUMBER FOUR AND IT'S A DRAINAGE ISSUE OFF A LEWIS LANE THAT'S CAUSING THAT ISSUE.

YOUR ESTIMATE REALLY WON'T BE WORTH A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE WHEN THEY COME OUT TO DO THE WORK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE WE HAVE TO DO BEFORE WE CAN PATCH THE ROAD, RIGHT? AND THIS IS BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST OF JUST DOING THE ROAD.

THIS TIME WE'RE GOING AROUND AND SAY, CAN WE CLEAN THESE DITCHES OUT? CAN WE CLEAN THOSE DITCHES OUT TO GET WATER TO FLOW? NOT NECESSARILY TO CARRY A 50 YEAR STORM OR A HUNDRED.

BUT DOESN'T THIS SAY YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH DRAINAGE SO YOU WOULDN'T LOOK AT THE DITCHES FOR THAT, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO IN AND DO IT, DO AN ANALYSIS OF THE DRAINAGE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO CREATE THE DRAINAGE DRAINAGE BASIN AND CALCULATE THE SIZE OF DITCH THAT YOU NEED. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE HOLDING WATER, IF IT'S FLAT, WE HAVE CULVERTS THAT ARE [INAUDIBLE], CAN WE GET THOSE ON CLOGGED AND TRY TO REESTABLISH WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT OUT THERE? AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO ON THESE STREETS AND AGAIN, YOU ALL DRIVE THEM EVERY DAY.

I'VE BEEN DOWN AND ONCE WHEN WE DID THE RATING, SO YOU KNOW, THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME NOW TO ME, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY DO WE HAVE DITCHES THAT ARE FILLED UP, YOU KNOW, AND CAN WE CLEAN THOSE OUT? AND SO WE WOULD GO IN TODAY AND SAY, OK, THE CULVERTS ARE, YOU KNOW, HALFWAY FILLED UP.

WE KNOW THE WIDTH.

WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, A FOOT OF MATERIAL OUT, YOU KNOW, RECUT THE DITCH, YOU KNOW, THEN WE KNOW HOW MUCH VEGETATION WE NEED TO PUT BACK IN.

YOU KNOW, IF IT'S JUST FLAT AND YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO FIX IT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, IF ALL THE [INAUDIBLE] ARE CLEAN AND WE [INAUDIBLE] BEING A PROBLEM, THAT WON'T BE INCLUDED IN THE COST. [INAUDIBLE] TAKE THESE [INAUDIBLE] ON THE ROAD.

GOT IT. SO BASICALLY [INAUDIBLE] GET THOSE ITEMS INCLUDING [INAUDIBLE] AND ALL THAT THE FAILURE ISN'T HOW WE PREVENT FUTURE FAILURE, BUT ALSO GIVING US A WAY TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE ROADS TO TRY TO GET THE [INAUDIBLE] OUT OF THEM.

YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OPINION OF COST OF WHAT A CONTRACTOR COME IN TO CLEAN DITCHES IF THEY NEED TO BE CLEANED.

SOME OF THESE ROADS, YOU KNOW, THE DRAINAGE WORKS.

OTHERS, IT DOESN'T.

SOME OF THEM [INAUDIBLE] THAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO IS NOT GOING TO DRAIN WATER.

SO MR. BIRKHOFF, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE GOES AND LOOKING TO SEE IF THE CULVERTS ARE HALF FILLED OR NOT? I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY WE COULD ANYBODY COULD DO.

MY CONCERN ON THE ROADS IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANY KIND OF CORE SAMPLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO SO YOU CAN SEE [INAUDIBLE] OF THE ROAD.

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BUT IF WE WANT, THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO CORE BASE SAMPLING, WE CAN GO BACK AND TALK TO JOHN [INAUDIBLE] MY CONCERN IS THAT IF THE BASE IS NO GOOD AND WE'RE SPENDING MONEY TO SURFACE, PUT A NEW SURFACE ON IT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO LAST FEW YEARS, TO ME, THAT'S MONEY WASTED. SO I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS.

YOU KNOW, HIGH LEVEL LOOK AT [INAUDIBLE] OR IS IT WORTHWHILE TO DIG A LITTLE DEEPER AND FIND OUT TRULY WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND WHAT THE SOLUTION IS? SO, WHEN WE [INAUDIBLE] TODAY, WHAT WE CALL A BLOCKADE OR CRACKING, WE SEE A LOT OF DEPRESSIONS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A BASE FAILURE AND IT BECOMES PRETTY EVIDENT THAT YOU JUST CAN'T OVERLAY THE [INAUDIBLE].

THERE ARE SOME OF THESE ROADS IS IT THE ENTIRE ROAD OR IS IT CERTAIN SECTIONS THAT HAVE FAILED AND IF IT'S ALL SECTION, CAN YOU DO [INAUDIBLE] REPAIR AND THEN DO THE OVERLAY AGAIN, TRYING TO [INAUDIBLE] IF THE ROAD IS A LOT OF DEPRESSIONS, ALLIGATOR CRACKING, YOU KNOW, THEN THE BASE IS FAILED.

WHY IS THE BASE FAILED? JUST WEAR OUT.

IS THE DRAINAGE AFFECTING IT OR NOT? THEN WE GO IN AND WE REMIX.

SO ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT [INAUDIBLE] HAD DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOMES. YOU KNOW, WE MIX CEMENT WITH THAT [INAUDIBLE] MATERIAL WITH THE ASPHALT, REMIX ALL THAT AND CREATE A MORE STABLE BASE.

AND THEN WE PUT FIBERGLASS MATERIAL IN AND THEN WE WOULD OVERLAY WITH ASPHALT.

SO WE ARE ENHANCING WHAT'S ON THESE RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

I WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO IN AND DO GEOTECHNICAL AND WE CAN DESIGN A 20-YEAR PAVEMENT, THEN THAT'S GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE THAT MATERIAL OUT AND BRING, YOU KNOW, 12 INCHES OF FLEX BASE IN AND THEN WE WOULD DO THE ASPHALT ON TOP OF IT.

YOU KNOW, YOU COULD COMPARE THAT TO IF YOU WANTED CONCRETE STREETS.

WHAT'S THE PRICE OF CONCRETE.

IN THAT CASE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD STILL GO IN AND DO SOMETHING WITH THE BASE.

A LOT OF TIMES YOU TREAT THAT WITH LIME AND YOU BRING A BIG MIXER IN AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S BECOMES MORE AND MORE DISRUPTIVE.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IN A RESIDENTIAL STREET, HOW FAR DO YOU WANT TO GO? IF THIS WAS A COLLECTOR STREET, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DID DUBLIN, I WOULD SAY, YEAH, WE NEED, YOU KNOW, SOIL BORINGS, YOU KNOW, EVERY 500 FEET. WHAT IT IS, THERE'S [INAUDIBLE] AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON DUBLIN COMPARED TO RESIDENTIAL STREETS. SO YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU [INAUDIBLE] THE PAVEMENT, IT'S REALLY ON THE TYPE OF LOADINGS WHETHER IT'S CARS, YOU KNOW HOW MANY TRUCKS, HOW MANY [INAUDIBLE] WE GET THOSE [INAUDIBLE] NUMBERS AND THEN WHAT'S THE FREQUENCIES? AND THEN THEN YOU GO THROUGH THROUGH THE CALCULATION.

SO NOW IT PUTS US IN A DIFFICULT POSITION BECAUSE.

YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY $7000 JUST TO EVALUATE THESE STREETS AND THEN HAVE IF WE'RE GOING TO JUST RESURFACE OR TEMPORARILY KEEP IT WORKING.

BUT HOW MANY YEARS IS IT GOING TO WORK AND IS THIS MONEY? YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS, I THINK, AT THE MEETINGS.

BUT IS MONEY WELL SPENT OR IS THIS MONEY THAT WE'RE JUST THROWING OUT? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PUSHING IT DOWN THE ROAD TO [INAUDIBLE] YEARS? I MEAN, WHAT [INAUDIBLE] GOING TO JUST FIX THE SURFACE PROBLEMS. HOW MUCH MORE LIFESPAN WOULD HAVE, I GUESS, IS THE QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD SEE THAT YOU GET EIGHT TO 10 YEARS OUT OF THIS DOING THIS LEVEL.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO IN AND YOU RECONSTRUCT THE WHOLE ROAD, YOU DESIGN IT AROUND 20 YEARS, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE [INAUDIBLE] ON THE ROAD, WILL REALLY ULTIMATELY TELL YOU HOW LONG IT WILL LAST.

AND LET ME ASK--ONE QUICK QUESTION, MR. BIRKHOFF. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE TWO FOR YOU, YOU KIND OF ALLUDED TO THIS, BUT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A MUCH LARGER COST.

DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN OVERLAY WITH A REMIX

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SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND ALSO, BECAUSE IF THEIR RECONSTRUCTION COSTS WITH REMIX GETS YOU 10 YEARS AND IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A COST OF X, BUT THEN NEXT ONE IS 5, 6X OR 10X, AND THEN IT'S [INAUDIBLE].

CAN YOU COMMENT ON THOSE AT ALL? SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A TOTAL RECONSTRUCT AND I THINK YOU GET REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT YOUR DRAINAGE AND, YOU KNOW, GET THE PROPER SIZED CULVERTS, SO PROPER.

SO PROPER SIZED DITCH IS THE GRADE ON THE DITCH.

AND WHEN YOU MAKE THAT BIG INVESTMENT ON THE ROADWAY, YOU ARE NOW BUYING LONGER LIFE, PAVEMENT AND AGAIN, THE DRAINAGE PARK HAS TO BE PRETTY EXPENSIVE AND, YOU KNOW, THESE STREETS, BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF STREETS AND I'LL GO BACK TO DUBLIN WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT AWAY. SO YOU KNOW, AS WE EVEN HERE, IF WE TRIED TO GO TO 100 YEARS [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT OF WAYS AND [INAUDIBLE] THE NEXT LAYER OF DOING THE DEED RESEARCH [INAUDIBLE] WHAT IS RIGHT AWAY AND WHAT'S NOT.

SO, DUBLIN, THERE'S QUITE A BIT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT AWAY.

AND THAT'S JUST ANOTHER COST THAT YOU HAVE TO GO AND ACQUIRE.

BUT [INAUDIBLE] DO YOU HAVE [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT OF WAY? WHAT IS THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH? CAN WE FIND THAT OUT AND UP TO THIS POINT, WE THINK IT'S THIS OR, YOU KNOW--BUT BALLPARK COST CHANGE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE VERSUS THOSE OTHER TWO METHODS. I MEAN, I [INAUDIBLE] BE DIFFERENT ON EVERY ROAD.

I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY IN THAT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES DEPENDING ON DRAINAGE, I MEAN THAT WILL DRIVE THESE THINGS UP.

I'D LIKE TO OR REFER A FEW THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN COMMITTEE WITH RESPECT TO THIS.

IN MR. BIRKHOFF'S ORIGINAL REPORT OF THE STREET SURVEY.

HE HAD A RECOMMENDATION THAT WHAT WE SHOULD POSSIBLY ONE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ADDRESS THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT ARE IN IN THAT ARE IN THE POOR CATEGORY FIRST WITH JUST REHABILITATION.

BEFORE WE GET ON TO ADDRESSING THE REALLY POOR [INAUDIBLE] WITH THE THOUGHT THAT WE CAN [INAUDIBLE] 8 TO 10 YEARS AND AS THE COMMITTEE DISCUSSED IT, YOU KNOW, ONE OBJECTIVE IS WE NEED TO STARTING POINT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO IDEA [INAUDIBLE] OF WHAT ANY OF THESE STREETS ARE [INAUDIBLE] POTENTIAL, EVEN IF IT'S THE LOW END OF THE NUMBERS, WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE] WHAT THAT IS. AND WE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GET STARTED [INAUDIBLE] SOME OF THESE ROADS STABILIZED SO THAT WE CAN TRULY ADDRESS THE OTHER SERIOUS CONDITIONS.

AND YEAH, AND THEN THE DUBLIN ROADS OF THE WORLD.

SO THAT'S WHY WE [INAUDIBLE] WISE TO DO WHAT JOHN IS PROPOSING.

AND THAT WAS THE BEST WAY TO GO RIGHT NOW.

SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS A WISE USE OF THE [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE HE AND GARY ARE THE ONES THAT KNOW THESE STREETS.

JOHN'S GOT THE BACKGROUND, THE EXPERIENCE AND THE EXPERTISE OF TO BE ABLE TO DO THE VISUAL LOOKS AND BASED ON HIS KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THE ALL THE OPTIONS OUT THERE TO IDENTIFY WHAT YOU KNOW, WHICH ONE TO PICK.

GIVE GUESSTIMATES, YES, BUT SOME TYPE OF COST FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO THAT WAS OUR LOGIC OF WHY WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A [INAUDIBLE] AND [INAUDIBLE] HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, REALLY WORKING HARD ON THIS.

[INAUDIBLE] ACROSS THE STREET IS ONE THAT IS A TOTAL REBUILD.

I MEAN, DO YOU SPEND ALL YOUR MONEY [INAUDIBLE] AND YOU ALLOW THESE STREETS TO DETERIORATE. BUT MR. BIRKHOFF AND I DO RESPECT THAT, AND GOING THROUGH POSITIONS SIMILAR TO THIS, I WOULD ARGUE, IS HOW WE'VE GOTTEN HERE TODAY.

IF WE START TOUCHING THE ROADS THAT ARE [INAUDIBLE] WHEN WE HAVE CHURCH IN DUBLIN, WE'RE [INAUDIBLE] A PORTION OF OUR RESIDENTS, YEAH, YOUR ROAD'S WORSE, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO WORRY ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING TO FIX THESE OTHERS.

AND I JUST I FEEL LIKE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE SPENT SO MUCH MONEY ON THE INITIAL REPORT THAT YOU DID THAT TOLD US OUR ROADS WERE BAD.

AND I KNOW YOU DID WHAT YOU WERE ASKED.

I OFFER NO BLAME WHATSOEVER FOR THAT.

BUT TRUTHFULLY, [INAUDIBLE] BAD.

WE CAN DRIVE THOSE AND FIGURE THAT OUT.

I KNOW YOU DID IT FROM AN ENGINEERING [INAUDIBLE].

THERE'S A COST FOR YOU TO BE HERE.

THERE'S A COST FOR YOU TO GO TO MEETINGS.

THERE'S A COST FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.

AND I RESPECT THAT.

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I MEAN, [INAUDIBLE] PUT IN THE LAST BUDGET THIS WHOLE EXPENSE OF THE $7-8.5K WASN'T PUT IN THE LAST BUDGET AND SO MUCH INTO OUR STREET FUND TO DO REPAIRS, WHICH WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO DO. AND WE'RE SPENDING THAT ON DOING [INAUDIBLE] TO DO REPORTS.

AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW OF OTHER [INAUDIBLE] AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THAT LIKE TO DO THAT SAME THING WHERE THEY'LL GET A COMMITTEE TO DETERMINE THE NEXT COMMITTEE THAT'S GOING TO DO A REPORT AND WHO THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

[INAUDIBLE] AT THE $8500 KIND OF GAVE US AN [INAUDIBLE] LOOK LIKE.

I'M GOING TO BE HONEST AND SAY, I DID READ IT, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING OVERLY SHOCKING.

I KNOW HOW MANY OF OUR ROADS ARE AWFUL [INAUDIBLE] DRAINAGE ISSUE IS AND WE KEEP TELLING THE RESIDENTS WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS DOING A SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLAR BID TO [INAUDIBLE] THAT MONEY TO EVENTUALLY FIX A ROAD, TO GET A COST, TO EVENTUALLY FIX A ROAD THAT WE ALREADY KNOW NEEDS TO BE FIXED. SO I'M JUST STRUGGLING WITH THE CONTINUAL EXPENSE OF USING MR. BIRKHOFF AND HIS EXPERIENCE BECAUSE WE PAY FOR THAT IN THIS REALM WHERE WE DIDN'T BUDGET FOR THIS AND WE DO HAVE ISSUES.

AND THEN TO USE THIS TO SAY, WELL, LET'S WORRY ABOUT THE MIDDLE PROPERTIES VERSUS WORRYING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON DUBLIN OR ON CHURCH.

YOU KNOW, THOSE GUYS WILL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WHO KNOWS WHEN DOWN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE THOSE ARE JUST WE'VE NEGLECTED THEM LONG ENOUGH THAT THEY'VE BECOME COSTLY.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT THE PATCH ON DUBLIN.

I CALL THEM DUBLIN NORTH AND DUBLIN SOUTH BECAUSE IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO PAY ATTENTION.

DUBLIN NORTH IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WAS A NIGHTMARE.

THEY CAME IN, THEY PATCHED IT, IT FAILED.

THEY PATCHED IT AGAIN. SOME OF THOSE FAILED, THEY PATCHED IT AGAIN, NOW SOME OF THOSE ARE STARTING TO FAIL AGAIN AND DUBLIN SOUTH IS JUST SCARY.

I AVOID IT AT NIGHT AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TO THE LEVEL LEWIS WAS BEFORE, BUT IT'S GETTING THERE. AND SO I JUST I HAVE REAL CONCERNS BY APPROACHING IT IN THIS METHOD.

AND I THINK THAT FAR MORE DISCUSSION NEEDS TO GO INTO THIS BEFORE WE KEEP WRITING OUT SEVEN AND EIGHT THOUSAND CHECKS TO DO EXPENSE REPORTS.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION, AT LEAST IN MY ESTIMATION, THOUGH WE DO HAVE TO HAVE SOME WAY TO GAUGE WHERE TO GAUGE WHERE WE ARE.

I MEAN, IT CAN'T JUST BE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ROADS ARE BAD OR YOU KNOW THE ROADS ARE GOOD BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF ALL OF THOSE.

SO, MY QUESTION BACK TO YOU WOULD BE WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL TO GET YOU TO A POINT WHERE NOW YOU CAN START ALLOCATING MONIES TO GO AHEAD AND START REPAIRING? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU COULD GET IN THE SAME SITUATION WHERE YOU GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOU DON'T DO THE RIGHT ANALYSIS AND THEN YOU GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THEM DEGRADE TO A POINT THAT YOU KNOW, EVERYONE HAS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED.

SO I THINK THAT'S BEING ON THE COMMITTEE.

AND WHEN WE WENT THROUGH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MITIGATE COSTS BY TAKING ACTIONS NOW . DUBLIN IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL; WE REALLY CAN'T PUT THAT ONE IN THE SAME, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE THERE'S THE EASEMENTS, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.

AND THAT'S PROBABLY QUITE HONEST, IN MY OPINION, A FULL BOND ISSUE ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A TOTAL REDO THE WAY I SEE IT.

SO MY POINT BEING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE IN THE SAME BOAT WHERE WE NEVER DO ANYTHING. SO I FEEL LIKE WE SPENT THE 8500 THAT ALREADY RANKED OUT THESE ROADS AND I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITHOUT BEING, I HAVE DRIVEN THESE ROADS, EVEN THE SECTIONS, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS FAR BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE IN THE STREET REPAIR BUDGET.

AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR ISSUE HERE.

IF WE START WITH THESE, WE ARE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND THEN STILL HAVE OUR VERY POOR ROADS THAT ARE DOING NOTHING OTHER THAN FURTHER DEGRADING THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON.

AND TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD LOOK AT A PLAN THAT ADDRESSES THE WORST AND MOVES OUR WAY UP SO THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH IT THE LONGEST. ALSO, THE ROADS THAT ARE IN THE WORST REPAIR BECAUSE THOSE ARE REDUCED AND ARE GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF EXPENSES COMING UP FOR THE CITY AND BUT SPENDING $7000 FOR AN EDUCATED GUESS OF A COST, WHICH IS BASICALLY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING THE ADDED STEPS, WE'RE NOT DOING SOIL SAMPLES SO THAT THOSE ARE WORTH THE PAPER THAT THEY'RE PRINTED ON BASED ON HIS EXPERIENCE.

BUT A CONTRACTOR DOESN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT MR. BIRKHOFF SAYS. SO WHEN WE GO OUT TO ACTUALLY BID, THOSE IN THE CONTRACTOR LOOKS AT IT AND WE DO A SOIL SAMPLE AND HE GOES, OH, THAT'S ACTUALLY FOUR TIMES MORE THAN WHAT HE EXPECTED. BECAUSE THERE'S THIS ISSUE.

THERE'S A NATURAL SPRING UNDER THE ROAD.

THERE'S SOME ISSUE THAT IS OUT OF THE BLUE OR WE DON'T HAVE DRAINAGE EASEMENTS ON A LOT OF PARKER. SO.

AND I THINK WHEN WE RUN THROUGH THIS, MOST OF THAT WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO THE SAME ISSUE THAT WE HAVE ON DUBLIN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, HE SAID THAT A LOT OF TIMES A ROAD LASTS UNTIL THE LAST HOUSE IS BUILT. WELL, CAROL LANE LAST HOUSE WAS BUILT A WHILE AGO, SO I DON'T THINK YOU

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SO I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS IS THROWING SEVEN THOUSAND AFTER THROWING THIRTY EIGHT THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED, NEITHER OF WHICH DID WE REALLY HAVE BUDGETED TO DO TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE NOW, WHICH IS NOT REALLY MUCH FARTHER THAN WHERE WE WERE BEFORE WE SPENT BOTH OF THEM.

WE KNEW THE ROADS WERE BAD. THE ONLY BENEFIT WE HAVE NOW IS WE HAVE A RANKING BASED ON AN EDUCATED INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS EXPERIENCE IN THAT TO GO WELL, THIS ROAD IS ACTUALLY WORSE THAN THIS ROAD, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE BECAUSE HE PROVIDED THAT.

DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR MOVING FORWARD? MY SUGGESTION FOR MOVING FORWARD IS WE START WORKING IF WE WANT TO ADDRESS THESE ROADS, WE PULL THE LIST OF THE ONES THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT DOING AND ACTUALLY GET THOSE BID IT OUT. WE DO A CORE SAMPLE.

WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO AND GET AN ACTUAL BID ON COST SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO CORRECT THOSE ISSUES.

THE ENGINEERING, YOU KNOW HIM COMING AT IT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, WE'RE PAYING FOR HIS EXPERIENCE, BUT SPENDING $7000 FOR SOMETHING THAT IS KIND OF AN ESTIMATE OF COST KIND OF CORRELATES TO THE ARCHITECT ESTIMATING A BUILD COST ON A BUILDING.

THEY KNOW BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE SEEN, BUT THEY'RE NOT CONTRACTORS.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL COSTS ARE TODAY.

WE'RE DOING IT BASED OFF OF HIS EXPERIENCE IN DOING IT FROM A VISUAL LOOK, SO I WOULD PREFER TO PICK FEWER ROADS, COME BACK, PULL A BUDGET TOGETHER OF WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO SPEND, WHICH I THINK PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN OUR LAST BUDGET.

BUT REALLY, WHAT WE WANT TO DO TO ADDRESS THIS, PICK FEWER ROADS AND DO A MORE IN DEPTH SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET COSTS TO HANDLE THESE ITEMS AS OPPOSED TO JUST A SHOTGUN APPROACH TO IT. OK.

IS THAT A MOTION? NO.

BASED ON THE WAY THAT THIS IS WORDED, I DON'T THINK I CAN DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS ON HERE OTHER THAN, I MEAN, I WOULD HAVE TO, I GUESS, MOVE TO TABLE THIS ITEM AND HAVE IT COME BACK WITH A MORE DEDICATED APPROACH.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE, I DO WANT TO SAY THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB AND ACTUALLY FINALLY BRINGING LIGHT TO THIS.

I WOULD JUST LIKE FROM OUR STANDPOINT TO I MEAN, WE COULD SPEND THAT MONEY AND THEN GO SPEND MORE MONEY LATER TO TAKE THOSE SAME ROADS AND THEN CORE SAMPLE THEM.

AND WHEN WE DO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ALL THIS AGAIN.

AND SO I WOULD PREFER SEEING THIS A MUCH MORE DIRECT TARGETED APPROACH.

SO IN THAT INSTANCE, THEN I THINK I WOULD MOVE TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL WE CAN GET A MORE DETAILED LIST OF THE WORST.

AND EVEN IF YOU WANT TO DO SOME OF THE WORST IN A FEW OF THESE MIDDLE GUYS AND ACTUALLY GET BIDS ON REPAIRING THESE ISSUES AND GO THE IN DEPTH STUDY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THE CORE SAMPLES. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THAT.

BUT I CAN'T MAKE THAT MOTION FOR THIS.

SO MY MOTION WOULD BE TO TABLE THIS AGENDA ITEM UNTIL WE CAN GET TO A POINT THAT WE HAVE A MORE DIRECT PATH.

I WOULD SAY WE JUST PULL THE AGENDA ITEM AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IF WE TABLE IT, WE'RE JUST PUTTING THE SAME ITEM BACK ON THERE.

IT'S BEEN CONSIDERED DISCUSSED.

THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS THAT I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S EASY TO JUST SAY THAT THIS ONE'S BAD.

THIS ONE'S BETTER, THIS ONE'S BETTER, THIS ONE'S BETTER.

AND YOU GO, OK, WELL, DUBLIN, LET'S FIX THAT ONE FIRST, BECAUSE IT'S WORSE.

OR, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, CARE OR IF IT WINDS UP BEING ONE OF THE OTHER ROADS, YOU KNOW? BUT THE CHALLENGE THAT YOU GET INTO WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THESE AND I THINK MR. BIRKHOFF WAS TRYING TO KIND OF ALLUDE TO THIS A LITTLE BIT, IS THAT THE RANKING SYSTEM THAT HE WENT THROUGH INITIALLY AND KIND OF LOOKED AT IS ONE PORTION OF IT.

BUT THEN THERE'S OTHER PORTIONS OF THIS, AND THIS IS WHAT THE COMMITTEE WAS KIND OF GOING FORTH WITH IS THAT SOME OF THEM REQUIRE SOME OF THEM ARE MUCH MORE COMPLEX SOLUTIONS TO GET THE ROAD TO A PERFECT CONDITION, LET'S CALL IT, THAN OTHERS.

AND SO WITH THAT, YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT BECOMES SO COST PROHIBITIVE TO DO ANYTHING THAT YOU WIND UP GETTING STUCK BACK AT THE STARTING LINE AGAIN.

AND AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THOUGHT WHAT WAS BEING DONE HERE IS WE WERE GOING WITH A A LESSER COST OPTION TO SAVE SOME OF THE ROADS, OK AND GET A 10 YEAR SPAN, AND NOW IN THAT 10 YEAR SPAN OF WHAT YOU SPEND, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A MUCH LOWER PRICE TAG THAN LOOKING AT THESE OTHER ONES, WE CAN GO AND IDENTIFY ALL THE DETAILS OF THESE MUCH MORE DILAPIDATED ROADS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM AND THEN GET A FULL SCOPE OF WHAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE TO REBUILD THOSE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A MUCH LARGER [INAUDIBLE].

IT ABSOLUTELY WILL.

BUT WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THIS IS A BEST GUESS ESTIMATE BASED ON LOOKING AT THE ROAD.

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THAT ISN'T GOING TO GET US ANY FARTHER BECAUSE THAT BID DOESN'T HOLD ANY WATER AT THE END OF THE DAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT A BID.

WHEN WE GO OUT TO BID THOSE, IT VERY WELL COULD GO HIGHER COULD GO LOWER.

BUT WHEN WE GO TO BID THEM, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE SPOT ON.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, UNLESS WE'RE WILLING TO PUT IN THE WORK TO DO THE DETAILED ANALYSIS AND ACTUALLY START TAKING ACTION ON THEM.

ALL WE'RE DOING HERE IS SPENDING THIS MONEY TO GET A COST APPROACH ESTIMATE BASED ON A VISUAL APPEAL, NOT EVEN LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE, WHICH IS A MAJOR ISSUE IN THE CITY THAT SHOULD BE HANDLED ALONG WITH THE ROADS.

I AGREE 100 PERCENT WITH MR. BIRKHOFF ON THAT AND WE MAKE THESE PROMISES YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT TO THESE PEOPLE THAT CONTINUE TO REPORT THESE ISSUES.

AND ALL WE'RE DOING HERE IS GETTING A BID TO DO STUFF.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, EVEN THIS APPROACH, I DON'T SEE THIS BEING SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF A BOND ISSUE WHEN WE REALLY DELVE INTO THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HERE WITH THIS CITY AND THESE ROADS. I DON'T SEE US GETTING AWAY FROM A BOND ISSUE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING.

WE HAVE AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S THE CAN HAS BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I DON'T KNOW A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT.

WE HAVE KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD FOR SO LONG ON THESE ROADS THAT WE HAVE PATCHED AND PATCHED AND PATCHED THAT IT'S TIME TO TAKE ACTION.

SO IT'S A LONG TERM SOLUTION.

SO, IF I HEAR YOU CORRECT, YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND DO THE FULL BLOWN ANALYSIS OF EVERY ROAD AND GET THE COST BID ON THAT, HOWEVER MANY THOUSANDS, THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN 7000, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THE CORE SAMPLING, LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE, WHAT WOULD BE THE REBUILD THE CULVERTS LOOK AT.

ACTUALLY, WHAT I SAID WAS I WOULD PREFER TO PICK FEWER ROADS AND ACTUALLY DO THE WORK ON THOSE SO THAT WE CAN GET REAL BIDS FOR THE ROADS THAT WE INTEND TO DO.

BECAUSE THIS IS A SHOTGUN APPROACH, WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT A BUNCH AND WE'RE GOING TO CHOOSE A FEW OFF THE LIST.

I SUSPECT THAT WHAT THE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO DO AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO ACTUALLY TAKE A LOOK AT REDOING THESE ROADS, YOU SEND THOSE OUT FOR BID, WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU GET BACK. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE SPENDING $7000 FOR MR. BIRKHOFF TO SPEND HIS TIME DRIVING AROUND LOOKING AT ROADS THAT GARY HAS HAS DRIVEN EVERY DAY THAT HE'S ALREADY DONE AN $8500 REPORT ON TO TELL US THE RANKING OF THIS IS THE WORST ROAD IN THE CITY. THIS IS THE BEST WORD IN THE CITY AND HERE ARE ALL OF THE OTHERS AND WHAT WENT INTO THAT, AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A SCALE AND SEVERAL OF THEM LINED UP, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

IT'S TIME TO MAKE A DECISION AND MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND PART OF THAT NEEDS TO BE SETTING A BUDGET FOR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND FOR THIS INSTEAD OF JUST DOING ANALYSIS AFTER ANALYSIS.

WELL, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE WAS IS TO ACTUALLY DETERMINE WHAT THAT SCOPE IS.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THESE DETAILED QUESTIONS.

I DON'T MEAN TO DELAY THE MEETING, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED TO DO. IN MY OPINION BASED ON WHAT YOU TOLD ME, IF WE DON'T GO AHEAD AND SCOPE EVERY ROAD IN OUR CITY, I MEAN, IT'S JUST AS FUTILE, IN MY OPINION, TO GO DO THREE OR FOUR ROADS AND GET A VERY DETAILED ASSAY OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, SO WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT OFF-LINE AND TABLE IT, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME BIG DISCUSSIONS HERE.

THERE'S SOME DISCONNECT. I THINK HERE'S THE PLACE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

WE CAN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT IT OFF THE LINE PER SAY BECAUSE OF THE COMMITTEE SET UP.

BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I'VE SAID MULTIPLE TIMES NARROW IT DOWN, DO MORE WORK ON THOSE.

PICK THE ONES OFF OF THAT LIST, WHICH IS WHAT THE COMMITTEE SHOULD BE DOING, LOOKING AT THAT DEAL, THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE ROADS, THEY SHOULD BE DRIVING THE ROADS, AND I DON'T EXPECT ANYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE TO BE DOING IT NOR TO TELL YOU HOW TO DO YOUR COMMITTEE, BUT TAKE SOME CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT ACROSS ALL THE OTHER COMMITTEES, THE CITIZENS ARE READY TO DO IT.

LOOK AT THOSE ROADS AND COME UP AND GO, LET'S SAY THEY DECIDE CHURCH, WELL, THEN WE GO INTO CHURCH OR THEY DECIDE THE CAROL LANE.

LET'S GO INTO CAROL LANE AND ACTUALLY SEE WHAT IS THAT GOING TO COST AND DO THE HIGHER LEVEL APPROACH INSTEAD OF PICKING NINE RANDOM STREETS IN THE MIDDLE, PICK A FEW.

AND LET'S DO THE HIGHER LEVEL APPROACH ON THOSE SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT IT'S REALLY GOING TO COST AND WHAT OUR REAL ISSUES ARE INSTEAD OF JUST A VISUAL LOOK.

ALL RIGHT IF I ASK GARY TO FILL YOU ALL IN ON ONE PIECE OF INFORMATION BECAUSE I'VE GOT THE REPORT HERE.

AND AS I'M LOOKING AT THE REPORT.

SO WHAT'S BEEN DONE IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS IS THAT USING A PCI RATING, WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND RATED ALL THE STREETS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAVE ATTACHED, THEN, AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT IT TAKES, EITHER FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT OR FROM A COST STANDPOINT TO REPAIR THE STREETS, FAIR? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP.

YOU GUYS HAVE GOT STREETS THAT RANK 80 OR ABOVE, WHICH WOULD NOT SEEM TO ATTRACT MUCH ATTENTION. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME STREETS THAT GARY, AND THIS IS WHAT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD ADDRESS BECAUSE JOHN IN HIS REPORT HERE HAS IDENTIFIED, BASICALLY, IF I DO THE MATH ABOUT FIVE MILES OF ROADWAY THAT THEY CAN DO A VISUAL INSPECTION, I MEAN, HE'S

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SO YOU HAVE ABOUT FIVE MILES OF ROAD, ABOUT TWELVE HUNDRED BUCKS A MILE FOR HIM TO DO THE VISUAL INSPECTION, TO GET TO GET GARY.

AND YOU ALL A COST ESTIMATE, GENERALLY SPEAKING TO PUT WITH THE PCI.

DOES EVERYONE HAVE AGREEMENT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE? I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S PRESENTING.

OK, SO HAVING SAID THAT, GARY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU OR JOHN WANT TO TALK ON YOU SELECTED NINE ROADS, NINE SEGMENTS TO STUDY THAT SEEMED TO BE ABOVE WHAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED MAJOR ROAD PROJECTS AND BELOW WHAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED SATISFACTORY ROADS.

BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S EXPLAINED THAT TO THE COUNCIL HOW WE SELECTED THESE NINE ROADS. SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON OR DON'T MOVE ON, IS THERE SOMEONE THAT CAN DO THAT? THESE ARE THE ROADS THAT GARY TOLD ME THAT WE WANT AT THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO LOOK AT.

[LAUGHTER] BUT YOU KNOW, THEY WERE IN THAT MIDDLE RANGE.

AND I THINK THE COMMITTEE, I GUESS THE COMMITTEE SAID, LET'S SEE WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE PER STREET. YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT BALLPARK IS HERE, HERE, HERE.

SO WE CAN THEN SAY, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE AND WHICH ONES CAN WE ATTACK? THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO GET TO.

AND THE IDEA BEHIND THOSE ROADS IN PARTICULAR ARE WE GET LONGER LIFE OUT OF THOSE ROADS BEFORE THEY DETERIORATE INTO THE REALLY BAD CATEGORY.

AND SO WE WOULD PROLONG THE LIFE OF THOSE ROADS OR TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONES TO ATTACK AND PROLONG THE LIFE OF THOSE ROADS, THE ONES THAT ARE IN POOR SHAPE ARE ALREADY IN POOR SHAPE. WE COULD SPEND ALL OUR MONEY ON THOSE OR WE CAN GO FIX SOME OF THESE, LET THEM LAST LONGER, AND WHILE THOSE ARE IN BETTER SHAPE, WE CAN GO ATTACK THESE OTHER ROADS THAT ARE IN REALLY BAD SHAPE.

BUT I WOULD STILL ARGUE THAT WE'RE JUST KICKING THOSE POOR ROADS DOWN THE ROAD, I GUESS IS THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY CHURCH LANE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON CHURCH LANE; IT'S IN BAD SHAPE.

TOTALLY AGREE. NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND THEY DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THE ROAD MUCH. WE WANT TO FIX IT BUT IT'S NOT AS HIGH A PRIORITY AS ONE OF THE MORE TRAVELED ROADS . LIKE DUBLIN, WHICH IS A MAIN THOROUGHFARE.

IT'S IN BAD. IT'S NOT ON THE LIST.

AND I AGREE.

BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE.

LEWIS STILL HAS MAJOR ISSUES, EVEN AFTER WHAT WAS DONE.

IT'S ANOTHER ONE I USE QUITE FREQUENTLY.

I KNOW A LOT OF RESIDENTS COMPLAIN ABOUT.

NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVE ON LEWIS, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE USE IT.

IT'S A THOROUGHFARE. AND SO I GET I UNDERSTAND THAT IN DUE RESPECT, AGAIN, MR. LEVINE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING HERE.

I JUST KNOW THAT THERE ARE MORE WAYS TO GET BIDS ON REDOING ROADS THAN $7000 TO AN ENGINEER, BECAUSE HE'S DOING IT FROM HIS STANDPOINT AS AN ENGINEER, HE IS GIVING A VISUAL INSPECTION BASED ON HIS EXPERIENCE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S VISUAL EXPERIENCE BASED ON PARKER AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANY CORE SAMPLES ON THESE WILL AMOUNT TO LOOKING AT THE ROAD AND DOING IT BASED OFF OF WHAT HE CAN SEE.

AND I THINK A LOT OF OUR ISSUES ON PARKER ARE THINGS WE CANNOT SEE.

THEY ARE DRAINAGE ISSUES.

THEY ARE ISSUES WHERE THE SUB BASE IS WASHED OUT.

IT'S THE SAME THING WE HAD IN DUBLIN WHEN THEY STARTED TRYING TO PATCH IT, THAT WE DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH INTO THAT.

THAT PATCH FAILED.

AND I THINK THAT WE SPEND WE KEEP THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD.

SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF WE DID A MORE IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS OF THESE SAME ROADS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE PART THAT IF WE START FOCUSING ON THE REALLY BAD ROADS, WHICH EVENTUALLY WILL HAVE TO IN THE MEANTIME, IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THESE ROADS, THESE WILL GET VERY BAD TOO. SO, CAN YOU LIKE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, GIVE US AN IDEA OF THE DIFFERENCE IN COSTS BETWEEN DOING A VISUAL ANALYSIS AND ACTUALLY DOING A REAL ANALYSIS SO THAT WE COULD USE THAT INFORMATION DOWN THE ROAD TO GET THE ROAD REPAIRED AS IT SHOULD BE, WHETHER IT'S NOW OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

THE SUB BASE ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE, RIGHT? IT COULD GET WASHED OUT, BUT--WELL, IT JUST BECOMES WORN OUT.

EVERYTHING WEARS OUT; THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM WEARS OUT, CONCRETE WEARS OUT.

BUT ARE WE SPENDING $7000 FOR TESTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDO DOWN THE ROAD? OR SHOULD WE SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE AND GET A THOROUGH EVALUATION OF OF THE ROADS AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO FIX THEM?

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THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

TRYING TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS ROAD COSTS, YOU KNOW, 300000.

THIS ONE'S, YOU KNOW, 375, THIS ONE'S 500.

AND THEN YOU ALL COME WHATEVER YOUR BUDGET IS, SAY THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE WE CAN ADDRESS HERE IN THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR OR NEXT YEAR.

THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS ABOUT.

IF YOU WANT TO GO IN AND DO THE DRAINAGE ANALYSIS AND DO THE SOIL BORINGS, THEN YOU KNOW WE WOULD GO OUT AND GET A GET A COST FROM THE GEOTECH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH OF THESE STREETS, HOW MANY SOIL BORINGS THAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND.

IT'S USUALLY, YOU KNOW, ONE EVERY FIVE HUNDRED FEET.

THEN YOU WOULD GO IN AND LOOK AT WHERE THESE ARE.

THEN YOU WOULD DRAW OUT WHAT THAT DRAINAGE AREA IS TO SAY, OK, NOW WE CAN FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO DO THE ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, ARE A GROUP OF THESE ALL IN THE SAME BASIN? YOU KNOW, ARE THEY SEPARATE BASINS, LARGE BASINS? AND THEN THE QUESTION IS GOING TO BE, WHAT DO YOU WANT THESE ROADS TO BE DESIGNED FOR? YOU KNOW, YOU REQUIRE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT TO DESIGN FOR THE HUNDRED YEAR STORM.

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ON THESE STREETS? YOU KNOW, AS WE DID IN MOSS RIDGE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED.

IT WAS BIG. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE GAVE YOU WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE 50 YEAR STORM, THE 25.

AND THEN WE GOT DOWN TO TWO.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU GOT SOMETHING LESS THAN THE TWO BECAUSE THAT'S THE MONEY THAT YOU WANTED TO SPEND. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED SOME, SOME INPUT OF WHEN WE ESTIMATE A ROAD OUT, ESPECIALLY THE DRAINAGE, WHAT'S THE CRITERIA THAT YOU WANT US TO DESIGN AROUND? MOST OF THESE OLD SUBDIVISIONS ARE PROBABLY NOT DESIGNED FOR THE TWO YEAR STORM AND IS A TWO YEAR STORM WHAT YOU WANT TO TRY TO GET TO? YOU KNOW, IF WE GET THE WATER TO FLOW OUT OF THE DITCH AND NOT LAY IN THE DITCH, THAT'S WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOUR SUB GRADE IS WHEN IT JUST SITS THERE, BUT WE CAN MOVE IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE HUNDRED YEAR STORM COMES.

YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO FLOOD THE ROAD.

BUT YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE WATER AROUND HERE COMES UP VERY QUICKLY AND IT GOES DOWN VERY QUICKLY AND YOU CAN DRY IT BACK OUT.

IT'S THESE AREAS WHERE WE'RE FLAT WATER DOESN'T DRAIN AND IT SITS THERE FOR WEEKS AND THEN IT JUST GETS INTO THAT SUB GRADE AND THEN SUMMER COMES AND IT DRIES IT OUT.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE BASE CAN'T CARRY THE LOAD.

YOU KNOW, THE ASPHALT IS REALLY JUST A RIDING SURFACE.

IT'S NOT A STRUCTURAL MEMBER OF THE PAVEMENT; IT'S THAT SUB GRADE UNDERNEATH THAT'S REALLY SUPPORTING THAT, YOU KNOW, INCH AND A HALF OR TWO INCHES OF RIDING SURFACE.

I'M LOOKING AT YOUR LIST HERE, AND I WAS LOOKING AT IT EARLIER AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS RIGHT. I MEAN, EVEN AND I KNOW YOU DIDN'T CREATE IT, SO MAYBE THIS IS BETTER FOR GARY OR THE PEOPLE FROM THE COMMITTEE.

ONE OF THOSE AREAS IS HACKBERRY LANE TO [INAUDIBLE], THE REHAB DATE IS 2019.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT REDOING THAT ONE AGAIN, WHICH GOES TO SHOW WE DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT THE LAST TIME. SO AGAIN, I WOULD PREFER TO LOOK AT DOING THESE MUCH LONGER TERM UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING I'M MISSING WITH THAT.

NO, THAT'S A I THINK THAT WAS A [INAUDIBLE].

YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THESE FROM A STANDPOINT OF REBUILDING THESE ROADS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW WE PROLONG THEM JUST FOR THE NEXT HALF THE AMOUNT OF TIME, I THINK YOU SAID, SO 5 TO 10 YEARS.

SO IN THAT INSTANCE, THOSE ARE JUST GOING TO BE SURFACE REPAIRS AS WELL.

SOME OF THESE STREETS YOU CAN PROBABLY DO AN OVERLAY ON.

OK. AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE KNOW AND I TALK ABOUT THIS FIBERGLASS MATERIAL THAT WE'VE BEEN USING. YOU KNOW, IT HASN'T BEEN AROUND FOREVER.

WE HAVE WE'VE USED IT PROBABLY FIVE YEARS HERE WITH GREAT SUCCESS.

USUALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU REMIX A ROAD WITH THE CEMENT, YOU PUT THE HOT MIX IN, YOU KNOW, AND WE GET CRACKS.

YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME THAT THE CITY WOULD DO THAT.

WE GOT HIRED ON, WE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO DO SOME QUALITY CONTROL TESTING WHEN WE'VE GOT THE GEOTECH OUT THERE DOING THE TESTING OF THE CONTRACTORS WORK THAT REDUCED IT SIGNIFICANTLY. SO SOME OF THESE ROADS THAT MAY NOT HAVE ANY QUALITY CONTROL, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS, WHAT CAN WE DO TODAY WITHOUT HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK AND REMIX IN THIS FIBERGLASS TAKES A TENSILE STRENGTH AND NOT REFLECT THE CRACKS UP.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT HACKBERRY, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS JUST A CHIP AND SEAL.

THE ROAD WAS IN VERY POOR SHAPE.

YOU KNOW, THE EXPECTATION WAS YOU'D GET A COUPLE OF YEARS.

THAT WAS IT. THAT WAS WHAT WHAT THE DECISION WAS MADE.

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SO NOW WE'RE DOWN TO SAYING, OK, WE DO THE PCI, THAT FALLS IN THAT, YOU KNOW, FAIR RANKING. IS IT TIME TO GO IN AND YOU KNOW, IN THAT STREET, YOU KNOW, REMIX IT AND WITH CEMENT AND PUT THE OVERLAY ON IT.

FROM WHAT I RECALL WHEN WE DID THAT, THE ROAD WAS THAT YOU HAD MAJOR BASE FAILURES, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE MEMORY, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T A HIGH VOLUME ROAD.

AND THAT'S WHY THEY DID THE CHIP SEAL.

RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND, AND I KIND OF FALL BACK ON WELL, THAT'S THE MONEY WE WANTED TO SPEND.

AND I THINK INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, MORE WORK SHOULD BE DONE FROM OUR COUNCIL STANDPOINT OF WHAT DO WE WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON SO THAT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN COMMITTEE KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE GOING WITH THIS. BECAUSE AGAIN, RIGHT NOW IT'S A SHOT IN THE DARK.

WE'RE SPENDING MONEY TO GET ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, BUT WE'VE SET NO NOTHING AHEAD OTHER THAN A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND IN A ROAD REPAIR FUND THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO COVER IT.

IT'S GOING TO. IT'S MUCH BETTER TO ATTACK THIS AND ACTUALLY SOLVE THIS ISSUE THAN PUSHING IT DOWN TO SAY THAT'S THE NEXT COUNCIL'S PROBLEM BECAUSE THERE ARE MAJOR ROADS.

THOSE ARE PROBABLY BOND ISSUES.

AND IF WE HAVE THOSE THAT ARE BOND ISSUES, DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO LOOK AT GOING WELL IF WE'VE GOT TO TAKE A BOND OUT FOR THOSE WHILE RATES ARE LOW AND WE WANT TO CONSIDER THAT? DO WE WANT TO GO AND THROW SOME MORE IN THAT BOND AND TAKE CARE OF SOME MORE OF THESE ROADS AND ACTUALLY PROVIDE A SOLUTION FOR THE RESIDENTS INSTEAD OF GOING WELL, THE PEOPLE OVER ON THIS STREET, Y'ALL ARE GOING TO BE TAKING CARE OF.

DUBLIN, SORRY, CHURCH LANE, I KNOW IS NOT VERY BIG, BUT GRAY LANE'S ANOTHER ONE, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SECTIONS. THERE YOU GO DOWN TO [INAUDIBLE], THAT'S ANOTHER ONE.

THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I DON'T WANT TO TELL SOME RESIDENTS THEY MATTER MORE OR LESS THAN THE OTHERS. AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT IN THEORY, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN COMPLAINING NONSTOP ABOUT THE ROAD AND THEY WATCH ROAD CONSTRUCTION SOMEWHERE ELSE, IS THAT NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TELLING THEM? WHY NOT LOOK AT THIS FROM A COUNCIL STANDPOINT AND GIVE SOME DIRECTION TO THE COMMITTEE THAT WE'RE WILLING TO SUPPORT CERTAIN THINGS AND TAKE THIS THE RIGHT WAY? I KNOW IT'S GOING TO COST MONEY, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IMPORTANT.

BUT OUR RESIDENTS PAY TAXES AND NEED TO SEE SOMETHING FOR THAT, AND THEY NEED TO SEE THE SOLUTIONS TO THE THINGS THEY'VE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I STILL STAND BEHIND MY ORIGINAL MOTION THAT I MADE EARLIER, THAT WE TABLED THIS AND WE LOOK AT MOVING FORWARD WITH A DIFFERENT PLAN.

I THINK IT'S GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT I THINK THEY NEED A LOT MORE SUPPORT AND DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO DO HERE TO PROVIDE A SOLUTION FOR THE ROADS IN OUR CITY? WE KNOW HOW BAD THEY ARE.

THEY DID THAT REPORT AND WE SEE THE RANKING.

I GET WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO NOW BY GIVING US A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF COST.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE PUTTING A BAND-AID ON A BULLET HOLE IN SOME OF THESE, AND WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THIS FROM A STANDPOINT THAT WE'VE GOT REALLY POOR ROADS.

YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO STAY THAT WAY.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT USE THOSE.

AND SO MAYBE WE LOOK AT DOING A DIFFERENT APPROACH SO THAT MORE GETS RESOLVED.

CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? JUST TO KIND OF GETS [INAUDIBLE].

HOW ABOUT WE HAVE THE CIP AND CITY COUNCIL HAVE LIKE A WORKSHOP TOGETHER, WOULD THAT WORK AND KIND OF--I THINK THAT WOULD BE PHENOMENAL.

OK, BUT AT THIS TIME WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE ON THE FLOOR.

SO IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE BY COUNCIL MEMBER SLAUGHTER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER LYNCH. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? IF NOT, I WILL CALL FOR YOUR VOTE ALL FAVOR OF TABLING THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANYONE OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 5-0.

OK. THANK YOU ALL.

OK. ITEM NUMBER SIX.

[6. PARKER PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION ANNUAL REVIEW.]

AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE THAT WHEN PARKS AND RECREATION WAS PUT BACK TOGETHER, IT WAS DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD BE REVIEWED ANNUALLY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD CONTINUE HAVING A PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION.

I PERSONALLY THINK THEY'VE DONE ONE HECK OF A JOB, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME REAL CHALLENGES IN COVID AFFECTING A LOT OF THE EVENTS THEY PLANNED.

BUT I WOULD LOVE HEARING FROM Y'ALL ON THAT, TOO.

MADAM MAYOR, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT AND BEING A FORMER MEMBER OF PARKS AND REC PRIOR TO

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AND PART OF THAT IS BRINGING BACK COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW, WHAT I DIDN'T GET TO ADD EARLIER, AND I'LL ADD IT NOW, YOU KNOW, MR. B. WAS THE CHAIR UNTIL HE RESIGNED EARLIER TODAY.

I DO THANK HIM FOR HIS TIME THERE.

AND YOU KNOW, HE HELPED TO LEAD THAT COMMISSION THROUGH COVID, WHICH WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW THAT WAS GOING TO AFFECT.

AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PARKERFEST COMING BACK AND YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING HUGE.

RESIDENTS WANT THOSE EVENTS.

THIS GROUP HAS DONE IT AND THEY'VE DONE IT WITH WITH LITERALLY LITTLE COST TO THE ACTUAL CITY. SO TO ME, I THINK THEY'VE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB AND SHOULD CARRY ON.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? MADAM MAYOR, I'D ALSO LIKE TO JUST SECOND WHAT MICHAEL JUST SAID.

PARTICULARLY, I KNOW A LOT OF THE NEW RESIDENTS IN SOME OF OUR NEWER DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY CAME OUT TO ME LAST YEAR DURING THE HOLIDAYS EVENT AND TOLD US THAT THIS WAS EXACTLY SOMETHING THEY WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO IN A CITY LIKE PARKER.

A LOT OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT THEY'VE LIVED IN HAD SIMILAR EVENTS, AND SO THEY WERE HAPPY ABOUT THAT. AND THAT PARTICULAR EVENT LAST YEAR WAS A PHENOMENAL SUCCESS FOR A LOT OF THE NEW RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS SORT OF OUR DEMOGRAPHICS ARE SORT OF CHANGING IN THE SENSE THAT WE HAVE NOW, A LOT MORE FAMILIES WITH SMALLER KIDS OR YOUNGER SCHOOL-AGED KIDS.

AND SO THEY WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT AND I JUST REALLY WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, THANK MS. HINSHAW, MS. T.

AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT ALSO THE VOLUNTEERS AND EVERYONE WHO, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATED FROM THE COMMUNITY.

AND I KNOW THAT, GOING FORWARD, I'VE RECEIVED SOME INTEREST FROM A LOT OF OTHER RESIDENTS WHO ARE WANTING TO VOLUNTEER.

SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT AS COUNCIL, THAT WE TRY TO PUSH THAT OUT THERE IN ALL THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE TO SOLICIT THE VOLUNTEERS FROM OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN THAT.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND ALSO WANT TO THANK MR. B. FOR ALL HIS YEARS OF BEING INVOLVED IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR CITY'S DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND STUFF, ESPECIALLY THIS ONE.

I KNOW HE WORKED HARD EVEN DURING COVID.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO TELL HIM, THANK YOU.

DITTO. [CHUCKLING] SAME HERE.

YEAH, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO, YOU KNOW, COME UP TO THE PLATE AND ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY.

SO I APPRECIATE ANYBODY THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE] THE CITY AND DOES THOSE THINGS AND TAKES TIME OUT OF THEIR BUSY LIVES.

SO I THANK HIM AS WELL.

I TAKE IT FROM EVERYONE'S COMMENTS.

WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR EVALUATION AND CONTINUING THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE. I WILL SAY THAT IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN JOINING PARKS AND RECS, PLEASE FILL OUT AN APPLICATION FOR TO BECOME A MEMBER OF A BOARD OR COMMISSION.

WE WILL BE MAKING APPOINTMENTS NEXT MONTH FOR ALL OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING SOME PEOPLE APPLY AND GET INVOLVED WITH YOUR CITY. OK, NEXT UPDATES.

[7. UPDATES(S)]

THEY HAVE GRANTED IT, BUT HAVE TOLD US THAT IT WOULD BE VIRTUAL.

I HAVE OBJECTED TO THAT, AS HAS REPRESENTATIVE NOBLE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE, WHICH IS HOW MANY COMMENTS WE HAVE ON TCEQU ON A ZOOM CALL.

I MEAN, I JUST DON'T.

ANYWAY, WE'VE ASKED FOR IT TO BE IN PERSON HAVE NOT HAD A RESPONSE TO THAT.

WE'LL KEEP PEOPLE ADVISED AS SOON AS WE HAVE ANYTHING ON IT.

OK, ANY OTHER UPDATES? YES, MADAM MAYOR, I'VE GOT ONE ON THE COMP PLAN.

AS PEOPLE KNOW, ONE OF MY SOAP BOXES HAS BEEN THE MAPS.

WE DO HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT.

THE ANNEXATION MAP IS GOING TO BE A TOTAL RELOOK.

APPARENTLY, THEY DID SOME SAMPLES AND THE MAP NEEDS A TOTAL RELOOK ON THAT.

SO IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A TOTAL FURTHER RESEARCH AND POSSIBLY A REDRAW.

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SO THOSE WILL BE HUGE AND PUSHING THE COMMITTEE FORWARD.

AND I WANT TO THANK OUR ADMINISTRATOR, MR. OLSON, FOR STAYING ON TOP OF THAT AND GARY AND JOHN.

WELL, I WAS GOING TO GET TO THEM NEXT AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, MR. MACHADO, FOR STAYING ON TOP OF GETTING THESE MAPS DONE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO MAKE A HUGE STEP IN THE COMP PLAN AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE ALREADY DOING ANYWAY.

AND I WOULD ALSO ADD FOR THOSE WHO THINK I TALK TOO FAST, I DID FIND OUT YOU CAN TURN THE SPEED DOWN ON THE VIDEO TO HALF SPEED SO YOU CAN HEAR ME A LITTLE CLEARER.

DO YOU HAVE AN OFF BUTTON? [LAUGHTER] I'M SURE THEY COULD FIND WHEREVER THIS PLUGS IN, BUT I CAN TALK REALLY LOUD.

ALL RIGHT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER UPDATES FROM ANY OF THE COMMITTEES? WILL YOU GO AHEAD AND ANNOUNCE WHEN THE NEXT BUILDING MEETING WILL BE JUST SO THAT CONTINUES TO GET OUT THERE? NEXT MEETING OF THE PROPOSED FACILITY IS NOVEMBER 3RD AT 6:00 P.M.

IN THIS ROOM.

IT WILL BE ON THE WEBSITE.

IT'S ON THE CALENDAR.

TOMORROW'S CALENDAR DAY AND WEBSITE UPDATE DAY MISSED SOME THINGS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ON THERE. AND WE MIGHT DO AN EMAIL BLAST.

WE WILL EMAIL BLAST EVERYTHING, YES, MA'AM.

NO WAY WE MISS IT THAT WAY.

SO THERE YOU GO. WE'RE TRYING.

OK, AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE SOME DONATIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE, FOR THE RECORD.

THESE ARE FOOD DONATIONS THAT WERE GIVEN TO THE FIRE, POLICE AND CITY STAFF.

AND THEY ARE KATHY HARVEY AND HER FAMILY.

JULIAN AND KATHLEEN CALABRIA AND FRANK MEADOWS DONATED 30 BOXES OF GIRL SCOUT COOKIES FOR THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS AT A VALUE OF ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS.

LAURA HERNANDEZ AND HER THREE YOUNG SONS DONATED HOMEMADE COOKIES AT THE VALUE OF FIFTEEN DOLLARS.

[INAUDIBLE] FAMILY, DONATED SNACKS AND CANDY VALUED AT FIFTY DOLLARS.

ON NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, THERE WERE SOME DONATIONS FROM CHARLES AND CRYSTAL PEARL, WHO DONATED ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DOLLARS TO THE PARKER FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THEY ALSO DONATED EIGHTY DOLLARS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

PHIL AND JOANNE D.

DONATED TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE THANK ALL THE FOLKS THAT DONATED TO OUR CITY AND TO OUR POLICE AND FIRE.

WE DO APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ON ANY OF THE BUILDING REPORTS OR THE MONTHLY REPORTS THAT WERE IN YOUR PACKET. OK, COUNCIL MEANING CITY COUNCIL (NOT 'COUNSEL'), DO WE NEED AN EXECUTIVE SESSION? WE NEED TO RUN THROUGH A FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS IF THERE ARE ANY.

OH, I'M SORRY, I WAS JUST GOING TO FORGET THAT.

OK, ARE THERE ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AT THIS TIME?

[8. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ]

COUNCIL WHO WOULD LIKE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION EITHER UNDER NEEDS TO CONVENE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION? OK, WELL, IN THAT CASE, WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.